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Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD
The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand…
Episodes
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 254: The Big Mistakes We Make During Change
Change is hard enough. Why do we insist on making it harder on ourselves? In this episode, we have some fun with Price Pritchett’s 15 common mistakes people…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 253: A Community Shaping Its Future
How do you bring a community together to honor its past, confront its present, and shape its future? The pandemic changed how we connect. AI is reshaping how…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 252: The Integrity Slippery Slope: When Silence Becomes Complicity
In today’s episode, we tackle one of the most difficult responsibilities facing HR/OD practitioners: protecting the cultural integrity of their organizations…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 251: Pamper Your Middle Managers
There is an epidemic of exhaustion and frustration in today’s workplace. Employees come to work carrying the weight of modern life, while organizations face…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 250: The AI Paradox: Embrace the Not Knowing
In today’s episode, we continue our conversation about the implications of AI from an OD perspective. The challenge is that we’re trying to make sense of a…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 249: When the Leadership Playbook No Longer Works
Today we take on leadership models—and ask whether we may be putting far too much faith in them. Thirty years ago, leaders watched and emulated GE CEO Jack…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 248: Where You Sit Shapes What You See
In today’s episode, Bob ’n Joyce take on a question that has followed us throughout our careers: Where can you do your best and boldest OD work—from inside an…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 247: Navigating AI’s Impact on Work
What can a transition expert writing three decades ago teach us about navigating AI’s impact on work? As it turns out, quite a lot. In this episode, Bob 'n…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 246: Is OD Ready for What’s Coming?
What happens when the pace of technological change exceeds our human and organizational capacity to absorb it? In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore that…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 245: A Change Formula That Works
In this episode, we revisit a tried-and-true formula for assessing the likelihood that a change effort will succeed—or fail. We’re talking about the…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 244: I Need You to Become a Better Me
In this episode, we take on something pretty basic to being human—our need to connect with other people. Friends, family, people at work. We need each other…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 243: Changing the Room Changes the Conversation
Long before a facilitator asks the first question, the room is already sending a message. In this episode, Bob and Joyce explore one of organizational…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 242: We Can’t Ignore What’s Wrong Anymore
Today, we take on a difficult conversation sparked by the tragic killing in Biddeford, Maine, and other deeply disturbing events that have unfolded in recent…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 241: Paper Plate Wisdom
In this episode, we uncover one of Joyce's most unusual leadership tools—her famous paper plate journals. (Yes, we'll explain.) Over the years, Joyce captured…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 240: American Democracy - The Greatest Organizational Design Experiment Ever
What can today's leaders learn from the bold experiment that created American democracy 250 years ago? Joyce explores the Constitution as an enduring lesson in…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 239: More Peter Drucker – OD Insights on Getting the Right Things Done
In today’s episode, we revisit the work of Peter Drucker, widely considered the father of modern management. Drawing from his book, The Daily Drucker, we share…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 238: The Secret Ingredients Behind Fast Organizational Change
In today's episode, Bob shares a list he developed of the conditions that help accelerate cultural change in today's fast-paced environment. The list isn't…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 237: The Family Trap – Should Workplace Culture Embrace Family Values?
In this episode, we use a bit of lateral thinking to explore a provocative question: What can organizations learn from healthy families? Joyce introduces a…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 236: The OD Praise Conundrum
In today’s episode, we wrestle with a tension many OD practitioners quietly carry: wanting our work to matter without wanting to be the center of attention…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 235: When Change Management Isn’t OD
In this episode, we dive into the provocative assertion by W. Warner Burke that much of today’s change management work is not truly Organizational Development…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 234: The Workplace as an Island of Sanity: Creating Stability in Uncertain Times
In this episode, we explore a powerful—and often overlooked—opportunity: the workplace as a source of stability in an increasingly unstable world. At a time…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 233: Old Wisdom, New Work: Drucker’s Lessons for HR and OD
In this episode, we take the timeless insights of Peter Drucker and ask a simple question: what should HR and OD actually do with them? Drawing from The Daily…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 232: Men Lead Like This. Women Lead Like That… Or Do They?
In this lightning-round conversation, Bob and Joyce explore leadership through the lens of gender—challenging common assumptions about how men and women tend…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 231: Why OD Should Own the Workplace Conversation—But Rarely Does
In this episode, we tackle a blind spot in organizational development: the physical workspace. While HR and OD leaders spend countless hours shaping culture…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 230: If You’re Not Asking Why, It’s Not OD
In this episode, we draw a clear line between real Organization Development and work that just looks productive. Too often, OD starts with tools, processes…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 229: When OD Gets in the Way (And What to Do About It)
In this episode, we take on a hard truth: sometimes the very people trained to help organizations—OD practitioners—end up getting in the way. Great…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 228: Leadership in Uncertain Times — Don’t Wait for Optimism, Generate It
In this episode, we continue our conversation about the role of Organization Development in unsettled times. Last time we explored what it means to act hopeful…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 227: If OD Can’t Create Hope, Who Will?
Let’s be honest. The world feels a little nuts right now. Divided. Loud. Unsettled. Tired. And organizations don’t exist outside of that. They absorb it. So in…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 226: The Problem Isn’t the Strategy — It’s the Thinking
What if the biggest obstacle in your organization isn’t resistance — but thinking? In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore why smart leaders keep applying…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 225: The Culture You Have (Not the One You Talk About)
If your leadership team defines culture by your values statement, engagement scores, or what you wish were true — you don’t know your culture. You’re…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 224: OD’s 2026 Reality Check: What Actually Deserves Your Attention
If you’re in OD or a leadership role, chances are your 2026 priorities already look familiar—and that might be the problem. In this episode, Bob and Joyce…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 223: Clearing the Fog: Why Decluttering Isn’t the Point
It’s January—the season of clean closets, organized drawers, and freshly emptied garages. In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce look beyond the annual cleanup ritual…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 222: What the Business Demands from Its Leaders This Year
In today’s episode, Bob ’n Joyce take on a question many organizations avoid—but can’t afford to ignore: What does the business actually need from its leaders…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 221: Come Play in Our 2026 Rejuvenation Sandbox
What happens when you slow down, ask better questions, and resist the urge to rush to answers? In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce model a real-time reflection that…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 220: Starting Fresh: What Actually Makes a Reset Stick
In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce reflect on the start of a new year and the importance of pausing to renew and reset our intentions. Many of us begin January…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 219: Happiness at Work: The Data Leaders Can’t Ignore
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore key findings from Gallup’s 2025 World Happiness Report. The United States experienced a notable decline, ranking 24th —…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 218: A Practical Way to Read What Your Organization Is Trying to Tell You
In today’s episode, Bob ’n Joyce unpack an article Joyce wrote years ago on a powerful OD technique she used to assess organizational wellness. Culture can…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 217: Unlocking Human Potential: A Conversation with Alfredo Borodowski, PhD, MSW
In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce are joined by Alfredo Borodowski for an energizing and insightful conversation on positivity, resilience, purpose, and…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 216: How the Words We Use Lift — or Limit — Us
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore how the words we think and speak shape the world we live in. Our language can either unlock new possibilities or quietly…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 215: Speaking Truth to Power: A Conversation with Bernie Youngblood
Today, Bob ’n Joyce welcome Bernie Youngblood — a force of nature who brings passion, candor, and a deep sense of purpose to everything he touches. A…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 214: Outsourcing HR: What Could Possibly Go Wrong?
In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dive into the pitfalls that often accompany the perceived benefits of outsourcing HR services. While outsourcing can seem like…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 213: Leading with Purpose and Passion — A Conversation with Bishop Kevin Foreman
In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce welcome Bishop Kevin Foreman — a powerhouse of purpose, energy, and impact. A success coach, author, philanthropist…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 212: 🎙️ From Dismissal to Discovery: Finding Purpose After a Layoff with Steve Jaffe
In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce welcome Steve Jaffe, author of The Layoff Journey: From Dismissal to Discovery, for a powerful conversation about turning job…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 211: Safe Spaces in a Fractured World: Leading with Intention
The world feels broken — and so do many workplaces. In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore how a systems-based approach to Organization Development can help…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 210: Why Neurodivergent Leaders Hold Untapped Power: Insights from Rita Ramakrishnan, PCC, ACTC
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce sit down with Rita Ramakrishnan, executive coach and neurodivergent leadership expert. Rita shares her passion for working with…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 209: Quit the Guilt Trips, Get Real Buy-In
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce call out those pushy political solicitations — the emails and texts that try to guilt or scare you into giving your time, talent…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 208: The Power of Grit: Blue-Collar Heroes Among Us
In this Labor Day episode, Bob ’n Joyce shine a spotlight on the blue-collar heroes who keep our communities and organizations running. These men and women…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 207: Hard Lessons, Simple Rules: What Really Works in OD
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce share the hard-earned principles that helped their OD work actually stick. Too often, change efforts fail because the “rules of…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 206: Resistance Isn’t the Enemy
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore the surprising benefits of resistance to change. Too often, resistance is seen as a problem to squash — but that only…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 205: Unleashing Energy Part 2: The Hidden Force in Leadership and Culture
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce pick up where they left off in Episode 204, exploring the infectious power of energy. Too often overlooked, energy shapes how we…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 204: The Power We Don’t See (But Feel Everywhere)
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce tap into the invisible but undeniable power of energy. What happens when we look at organizations — and even society — through…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 203: Exploring Joyce’s Career Path: Twists, Turns, and Boyfriends
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce shine the spotlight on Joyce and her winding journey to becoming an OD expert. It’s a story filled with unexpected turns…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 202: Assessment Grit: Knowing Before Doing
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dig into the underrated superpower of knowing before doing. Before charging ahead, what if we paused to truly assess what’s…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 201: The Power of “I Want…”
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore a simple yet powerful technique called “I want…”—a way to name our desires and aspirations out loud. As we cross the…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 200: Episode 200 – Time to Reflect, Celebrate, and Appreciate
Today marks a major milestone—our 200th episode! For over four years, we’ve shown up every Tuesday morning, come rain or shine. This ritual has been our…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 199: Thriving in Chaos: It's Happening to All of Us
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce dive into what it takes for organizations to stay grounded when chaos and uncertainty are no longer the exception—they’re the…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 198: Michelle Griffin Ph.D.: Building a Business and a Life That Works
In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Michelle Griffin, CEO and founder of Griffin Resources—an entrepreneur who truly has the "right stuff." Whether you're a…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 197: 🎙 Resiliency Face-Off, Part 2: Spoiler—Ours Wins
In this second part of our resiliency deep dive, Bob ‘n Joyce take a close look at MIT Sloan’s latest take on what makes a culture truly resilient. Do we agree…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 196: The Resilience Face-Off: Street Smarts Meets Sloan MIT Smarts
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dive into how to create and sustain organizational resiliency—a must-have competency in today’s fast-changing business world. We…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 195: Flugidity Revisited: Why We’re Still Talking About Structure vs. Flexibility Back by popular demand… or maybe just our own curiosity.
After we hit “stop” on our last episode, Tight Ship or Jazz Band?, we realized the conversation wasn’t over. The tension between discipline and flexibility…