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Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD
The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand…
Episodes
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 194: Tight Ship or Jazz Band? Finding Balance in Today’s Workplace
Bob ‘n Joyce riff on how much structure is too much — and when it’s time to improvise. In this episode, they dive into the ongoing tug-of-war between…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 193: Beyond Ping Pong Tables: How to Build a Culture of Care
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore what it really takes to create a workplace where people thrive — and it’s a lot more than free snacks and ping pong…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 192: The Chosen Few: A Talent Strategy That’s Holding You Back
In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore the common practice of relying on the same group of people—time and again—to get important work done. Joyce calls them…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 191: Creating Islands of Sanity in the Chaos – Part 2
In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce pick up where they left off in episode 185, diving deeper into how leaders can navigate turbulent and unsettling times with…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 190: Getting Unstuck with Ernesto Gómez Arzapalo – OD Expert, Author, Academic, Entrepreneur... and All-Around Great Human
In this episode, Bob 'n Joyce sit down with someone who really knows how to spark transformation from the inside out—Ernesto Gómez Arzapalo. He’s worn a lot of…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 189: Letting Employees Go – Do It Right or Pay the Price
In this episode, Bob and Joyce explore the critical importance of handling employee terminations the right way. When done poorly, these moments don’t just…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 188: OD Challenge: Who Do We Choose to Be?
In this episode, Bob and Joyce reflect on the evolving role of HR and OD amidst today’s profound global disruptions. Drawing inspiration from Meg…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 187: Where Science Meets OD Practice – A Conversation with Dr. Rob Lion
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce welcome Dr. Rob Lion, a strategist, professor, and expert in workplace culture, leadership development, and performance…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 186: Brace for Impact: How to Survive Workplace Change
In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dive into how people react to change—especially in the workplace. If you’re a change agent or work in organizational…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 185: Speaking Up or Staying Silent? Leadership in a Polarized World
In this episode, we tackle a conversation we’d rather avoid—but know we must have. How can leaders create the conditions for constructive dialogue in divisive…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 184: Lead with Intention: Make Every Moment Count
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore the power of deliberate and intentional leadership. Too often, we miss opportunities to maximize our impact by reacting…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 183: Lead Like a Person, Not a Position - A Conversation with Mark Carpenter
In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce welcome Mark Carpenter, author and leadership consultant, to discuss his work helping leaders bring their full humanity to…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 182: Rethinking Leadership: The 5 Must-have Qualities for Today’s World
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce discuss the findings of a Strategy + Business Newsletter article on the 5 qualities that leaders must possess to succeed in…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 181: Blue Collar Power From the Ground Up – A Conversation with Ryan Englin
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce talk with Ryan Englin about what businesses can do to fully leverage the power of the people closest to the work. Englin is a…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 180: Managing Without Power – A conversation with Joris Merks-Benjaminsen
Today, Joris Merks-Benjaminsen joins us from the Netherlands to share his work helping companies cultivate leaders who emphasize both accountability and human…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 179: 2025 - The Year of Doing Something! (Some will work, others won’t)
Bob’ n Joyce look ahead to 2025 and share what workplace pundits tell us what we can expect this year. Instead of regurgitating a boring list, they synthesize…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 178: This Podcast: A Refuge for Inspiration and Recharging
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce put the spotlight on OD/HR practitioners and their role helping organizations navigate these exhilarating but terrifying times…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 177: Bittersweet Tidings: The paradox of Holiday Cheer
In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce talk about the emotional highs and lows that surround the holidays. At a time when people feel compelled to be joyful, the…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 176: Honoring OD/HR: The Legacy We Leave Behind
In today’s episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss the impact OD/HR practitioners have shaping culture and transforming organizations. The spotlight, much to her chagrin…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 175: Workplace Connection – The Cure for Loneliness
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss why building community and connection in the workplace should be every leader’s responsibility. Research shows that the…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 174: DEI 2.0: Reinventing Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce rift on the recent trend of abandoning DEI programs in organizations and institutions. Companies that once were the champions of…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 173: TeamSpeak: Unlocking Potential Through Dialogue
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discussed the power of guided dialogue for jumpstarting a team. This is a non-linear approach where new or struggling teams get…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 172: What Keeps Us ‘All In’ Despite Life’s Curveballs
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce muse about the paradox of being 'all in.' With the world in disarray, many consider withdrawing and checking out but more often…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 171: The X Factor in Leadership
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce muse on the X factor in why some leaders excel and thrive. The context is today’s podcast was recorded on November 5th, America’s…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 170: Getting Unstuck When Rules & Norms No Longer Apply
In this Episode, exactly one week before the U.S. elections, Bob’nJoyce take on the timely topic of getting unstuck when uncertainty and anxiety run rampant…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 169: What Makes a Great CEO? (It's Not What You May Think)
In this episode, Joyce shares the characteristics and unique qualities of high performing CEOs she has worked with over her career. Again, Joyce reaches into…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 168: A Conversation with Corey Spitzer – Humble Start-up Guru & Sausage Maker
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce interview Corey Spitzer - serial entrepreneur, IT expert, start-up guru, and business change agent. Corey is a fractional CTO who…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 167: Lessons from Fender Bender Entrepreneurs
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss how a network of auto repair tradespeople loosely organize as entrepreneurs to provide value and quality. There are a lot…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 166: The Antidote to Dull Thinking
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss ways to unleash our best thinking when feeling stuck. We share concrete ideas to go from linear to lateral thinking that…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 165: CEO Flaws and Flubs
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss CEO flaws and flubs they observed while working with them. CEO’s are human and therefore imperfect. The good news is that…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 164: Getting from Checked Out to All In
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce address the challenge of moving from personal or organizational lethargy to vitality. Good leaders can sense the pulse of an…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 163: The Goal-Setting Conundrum
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce muse on the merits and limitations of setting goals. Goal setting can both energize and move you to action but can also discourage…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 162: Be Someone Worth Following
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce, go through a recent post where the author describes leadership attributes that makes a person worth following. While there are…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 161: Company Culture – Making the Invisible Seen
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce rift on the importance of an organization’s culture being seen and understood. Our definition of culture is the way that a group…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 160: Essential OD Values
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce share a list of OD values created by a team Joyce worked with several years ago. The list resonated with them but what matters more…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 159: Stuff That Irritates Us – Part 2
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce discuss the importance of HR/OD abandoning worn out approaches and rules that no longer cut it. In fact, past practices too often…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 158: Stuff That Irritates Us
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce speak out about stuff that irritates the heck out of them. Leaders too often fail to treat employees respectfully, especially at…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 157: People Analytics Is More Than Just Data – A Conversation with Andrea Derler
In this episode, our guest, Andrea Derler, shares how people analytics empowers HR and leaders to align HR strategy with business goals like never before…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 156: The Power and Irritation of a Good Question
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce share thought-provoking question for leaders and HR/OD practitioners. Some questions come from Gallup consulting, and the rest from…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 155: The Magic of Self-Organizing Communities
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce rift on the merits and relevance of creating self-organizing communities. Whether it be in the fabric of an organization’s culture…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 154: The Power of Setting Work Norms
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce delve into the practice of setting norms of behavior for meetings. Norm setting is a game changer for effective engagement but too…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 153: Leading Big Change: CIO Insights with Terry Morgan
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce sit down with Terry Morgan, an accomplished executive known for his change leadership as a CEO, CIO, interim executive, and…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 152: Navigating Big Change: Principles Every Leader Should Know
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce share 12 principles or truths about organizational change. This list is based on the work of Margaret Wheatley, author, leadership…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 151: Deep Leadership – An Interview with Jon Rennie
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce meet with Jon Rennie, author, podcaster, and business executive, who shares his unique perspective on what it means to be a good…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 150: Avoiding the Slippery Slope
In this 150th episode, Bob’nJoyce riff on the conditions necessary for an organization to avert decline and irrelevance. All companies, at some point, confront…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 149: Just Say Yes!
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce take on the merits of taking risk in life and work. The problem is that most of us are risk adverse and prefer to play it safe. Our…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 148: Go South Young Man - Baptism by Fire
In this episodes, Bob’nJoyce explore the dynamic of how a big challenge can bring out our best and accelerate people development. Joyce interviews Bob about…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 147: Why We Do This...
In today’s episodes, Bob’nJoyce get real about why they are committed to doing this podcast. They share their ‘Why’ to give context to the topics they choose…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 146: I'm Exhausted...What About You?
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce riffs on pervasive workplace exhaustion and what to do about it. The pressure on organizations for high performance has never been…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 145: Building Resilience Amidst Workplace Chaos
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce riff on ways to build resilience in the midst of significant workplace disruption. This includes everything from a major…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 144: The Discomfort of Learning Something New
In this episode, Bob and Joyce take on the discomfort, sometimes embarrassment, of learning something new. There is a period where we often go backwards…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 143: The Courage of Being a Third-Party Facilitator
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce speak to the importance and challenge of third-party facilitation. As HR/OD practitioners, we are often called upon to facilitate…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 142: Addressing Cynicism in the Workplace
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce rift on creating a healthy work culture in a world where cynicism about institutions has become the norm. Many workers today are…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 141: Transforming How Work Gets Done
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce share OD principles that foster true collaborative workplaces where dignity and meaning prevail. They highlight an approach, STS…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 140: Beyond Crucial Conversations–Advice on Leveraging Differences in the Room
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce share ideas on facilitating powerful conversations when differences exist in the room (BTW, differences always exist). As OD…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 139: What Workers Want From Their Leader
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce, explore leadership expectations through the lenses of their people. Joyce shares from a paper she recently wrote on what people…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 138: What Are You Willing to be Measured on in 2024?
In the spirit of the new year, Bob’nJoyce share a process that creates rigorous accountability for top leaders. This is based on a process that Joyce created…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 137: Let 'er Rip! Let’s Celebrate Every Holiday Tradition
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce challenge the tendency to walk on eggshells when celebrating holiday traditions in the workplace. Too often, people and…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 136: What’s Your Cranberry Ice?
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce make the case for rituals in a world in flux and disarray. Rituals helps us find meaning, comfort, and continuity whether it be a…
Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODEpisode 135: The Power of Here and Now Revisited
In this episode, Bob’nJoyce revisit last week’s conversation on the power and perils of being fully present. Here we unpack some afterthoughts that we felt is…