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Talk About That
Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.
Episodes
Talk About ThatOil, Overcoaching, & Love Languages :: Episode 182
Today on Talk About That, John absorbs all the responsibility in the room, and ponders life as an oil baron. Meanwhile, Jonnie has car trouble, and prepares to…
Talk About ThatRoad Rash 🚴 , NYC 🍎 & Man Tears 😭 :: Episode 181
Today on Talk About That, Jonnie inures himself, and ponders when and why abs became so culturally important 🏋️. Meanwhile, John makes a fashion statement on…
Talk About ThatSports Superstitions 🏈, “Important” Art, & Jenga :: Episode 180
Today on Talk About That, Jonnie goes to the Grand Ole Opry 🎸and hears a perfect joke, while John quotes himself in a sermon, and holds a wet orange 🍊 for good…
Talk About ThatKool-Aid, Willy Wonka, and Culottes :: Episode 179
Today on Talk About That, John exercises his 3rd Amendment rights and ponders mixed drinks from the Bible. Meanwhile, Jonnie makes for a terrible (and chubby)…
Talk About ThatSPECIAL EPISODE: Corrections and Rebuttals :: Episode 178
This week, the podcast welcomes Laura Driver who revisits clips from a past episode’s volleyed foibles between John and Jonnie. In rebutting their merits and…
Talk About ThatSour grapes 🍇, Growth Spurts & Freeeeeedommmm 🇺🇸 :: Episode 177
Today on Talk About That, John tries to explain why his Christmas tree is already up, and Jonnie gets taller, but still can’t dunk a basketball 🏀. Then we…
Talk About ThatUnderoos 🦸♂️, Cliff Diving 🏊♀️, and Hot Chocolate 🍫 :: Episode 176
Today on Talk About That, John gets a medal 🏅 in the mail, and immediately turns it into a sermon illustration. Meanwhile, Jonnie loses his precious fitness…
Talk About ThatSyrup 🥞, Guy Movies 🍿, and the Tree of Knowledge 🧠 :: Episode 175
Today on Talk About That, John argues with his wife about breakfast, and mails someone a book, only to have it returned a year later. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders…
Talk About ThatInfected Butlers, New Pilots ✈️, and Perspective :: Episode 174
Today on Talk About That, John has a real life “This Is Us” moment while looking at old videos of himself leaving for college 😭. Meanwhile, Jonnie is terrified…
Talk About ThatDuct Tape Mutiny ✈️, Mascot Genders 🦅, & Isolation 🏝 :: Episode 173
John takes us inside the competitive world of Teen Bible Quiz 📖, and shares one of the worst parts about his time as a youth pastor. Meanwhile, Jonnie…
Talk About ThatObstacles, Movie Trailers, and Cognitive Dissonance :: Episode 172
Today on Talk About That, Jonnie climbs the corporate ladder to an easier but still minimum wage job, while John reads his own writing into an expensive…
Talk About ThatProbation, Damsels In Distress, and Huddle House :: Episode 171
On today’s show, John almost loses his scholarship, gets fired at a greasy spoon, and somehow gets mono TWICE. Jonnie loses his driving privileges, and comes…
Talk About ThatOnline Tithing, HOA Mischief, and Journalism :: Episode 170
The boys have apprehensions about a trip to Europe, and John tells a story about the dangers of Greek translation in sermons. Then, Jonnie asks John for a…
Talk About ThatExpensive shades 🕶, Dollar Tree Steaks 🥩, and Conviction :: Episode 169
Jonnie has a conflicted relationship with Nature 🦅, and wants a harpoon gun. Meanwhile, John trades in his cheap sunglasses for the real thing, and suggests a…
Talk About ThatShock Collars, Exploding Spiders 🕷, & Shame 🙈:: Episode 168
Jonnie prepares for a trip to Cancun 🏖 , and throws the book 📕 at an unwelcome visitor. Meanwhile, John has tenuous confidence in his vitamin supplements, and…
Talk About ThatBack Injuries 🤕, Body Image🪞, and Road Rage 😡 :: Episode 167
The boys share Vegas stories 🎰, and John hurts himself in the dumbest way possible. Jonnie explains why the Gospel is like Shake & Bake, and John has a tragic…
Talk About ThatRuined Vacations 🩸, Mummified Presidents 🎩, and Symbolism 🇺🇸:: Episode 166
Jonnie “cleans up” a chemical spill, and destroys a National Park on vacation 🤿. Meanwhile, John sees something strange in a local yard, and then tells the…
Talk About ThatSmall Towns, Whitewashed History 📜, and Judgment Houses 🏘 😈 🔥:: Episode 165
Jonnie likes cities that have a sense of humor about themselves, and the boys discuss some things they didn’t learn in history class. Then Jonnie watches too…
Talk About ThatPet Names 🐶 , McDonald’s 🐔, and People Pleasing :: Episode 164
The boys talk about the power of nostalgia, and what weird names they call their dogs. Then, Jonnie talks onstage about being an awkward kid, and John tells a…
Talk About ThatBird Attacks 🦅, Cryptomnesia 💡, and Risk :: Episode 163
John enrages a momma bird and shares some teenage regrets 🕺. Meanwhile, Jonnie inadvertently steals a joke, and can’t figure out why his car stinks 😷. Plus, a…
Talk About ThatMouth Taping 👄, Live Streaming, and Grief 🪦 :: Episode 162
Jonnie discovers a horrifying new tool against snoring 😴, while John invents a way to avoid missing movie moments 🎥. Plus, a conversation on how different…
Talk About ThatBad Slushpuppies 🐜, Inventories, & Fearmongering :: Episode 161
Jonnie has a viral video, and makes the mistake of reading the comments. Then, John talks about the research for his forthcoming book on racism, and the boys…
Talk About ThatUncharted Territory, Wife Allergies, and Trauma :: Episode 160
Jonnie has a dead yard, and tries to throw away concrete. Meanwhile, John goes to Florida, and the boys argue steak vs. burgers. Then, a conversation about…
Talk About ThatEnneagrams, Creationism, and Prophecy Ads :: Episode 159
An episode recorded several weeks ago, John tries to get Jonnie to take a personality test, but Jonnie would rather assess himself. Then, a discussion about…
Talk About ThatFlossing, Professional Irritation, and Identity :: Episode 158
Jonnie avoids the dentist 🦷 and doesn’t want to add years to his life. And John should’ve left his dirty pool liner alone. 🏊♂️ Plus, a conversation about the…
Talk About ThatOverthinking, Click Tracks, and Paraphrases :: Episode 157
John destroys a bathroom, and brags about his CDL, while Jonnie defends his scooter and makes terrible sermon illustrations. Also, the boys debate which Bible…
Talk About ThatShingles, Snowstorms ❄️ & Social Media Shutdown 🧨 :: Episode 156
The boys are back from hiatus, and John has a horrifying virus 🦠 (not THAT one). Then, Jonnie wonders if his workout streak has become a problem. Plus, a…
Talk About ThatFlammable Friends, Anti-Heroes, and Redemption :: Episode 155
John’s blind dog makes a run for it, and Jonnie reminisces on childhood fire safety tips. Then, the boys discuss why “brokenness” makes for more interesting…
Talk About ThatBreakfa$t Burrito$, Drastic Measures ✂️, and Purity Culture 🙈 :: Episode 154
The boys discuss the Vols’ chances in March Madness, and whether John could hit clutch free throws. Then, Jonnie shares details about his health journey…
Talk About ThatDaylight Savings ☀️, Teenage Brains 🧠, and Authenticity ❤️ :: Episode 153
John and Jonnie know nothing about farming or hunting, and it shows. Then, the boys reminisce on incredibly dumb things they did behind the wheel 🚙 as…
Talk About ThatFlaming Vehicles 🚗 🔥, Public Singing 🎶, and Self-Worth :: Episode 152
Jonnie has car problems and he somehow makes it worse, while John tries to be a Good Samaritan until he hears gunshots. Then the boys discuss their checkered…
Talk About ThatDog Warranties 🐶, False Alarms 🚨, & Submission Trains 🚂 :: Episode 151
John and Jonnie have their monthly COVID scare, and prepare to blame each other. Jonnie pays way too much for a pet’s surgeries, and the boys inadvertently…
Talk About ThatBison Burgers🦬, Frozen Fog 🌫, and Insecurity :: Episode 150
John writes way too many words, while Jonnie worries he isn’t animated enough onstage. Then, the boys survive the Snowpocalypse, but have a harrowing tale to…
Talk About ThatRobot Censorship 🤖, Qanon, and Pillow Lawsuits 🛌 :: Episode 149
Jonnie defends himself from the fallout of last weeks hotdog 🌭 episode and builds a snow fort ❄️. Then the boys discuss Artificial Intelligence, and its…
Talk About ThatFirefighting🔥, Hotdogs🌭 , and Situational Ethics :: Episode 148
John and Jonnie break down some overused colloquialisms, and believe it will help you (when combined with diet and exercise). Jonnie contemplates petty crime…
Talk About ThatFat Tax, Subway Sandwiches 🥪, and Executive Orders ⚖️ :: Episode 147
John receives a sick burn from a neighbor while out for a jog, and Jonnie dreams of being President, if only to enact arbitrary legislation. Then the boys…
Talk About ThatCensorship, Satire, and Impeachment :: Episode 146
John and Jonnie discuss the role of satirical content in social change, and lament those who use a “free speech” defense while committing acts of sedition…
Talk About ThatRice Krispies, Sensitive Men, and Trumpism :: Episode 145
John has clogged ear canals, and Jonnie tells a story about a smelly kid from the news. Then the boys discuss their amazement at (older) technology that we…
Talk About ThatHoarding, Dad Buys, and AVIS Christianity 🚗 :: Episode 144
John cleans out his garage, while Jonnie makes an internet purchase and gets sucked into a vortex of Facebook "Dad Ads". Then, the boys talk about their band…
Talk About ThatChristmas Music 🎶, Band Names 🎸, and Willie Nelson :: Episode 143
The boys discuss their (least) favorite Christmas songs, and remember some branding advice they received from a record producer. Then, a discussion about…
Talk About ThatExtra Words, Dog Deliveries 🐶, and Joy :: Episode 142
John and Jonnie talk about the pain of editing, and John has an idea to make a million dollars a year 💰. Also, a conversation on contentment, joy vs…
Talk About ThatCloned Chicken 🍗, “Artists”, and Sheeple 🐑 :: Episode 141
Jonnie is fascinated by a new scientific development 🧪, and ponders its effects. Then, a discussion on why music artists generally need to look a certain way…
Talk About ThatFasting, Traditions, and Biblical Context 📖 :: Episode 140
John loves church history, especially if it involves eating, while Jonnie notices a strange new tick caused by mask-wearing. Then the boys fantasize about…
Talk About ThatDisposable Cars 🚘, Septic Tanks 💩& Biblical Slavery :: Episode 139
John rescues Jonnie on the side of the road, ad ponders whether it makes them even in the long run. Jonnie can’t wait to be a corporate sellout. Then the boys…
Talk About ThatMovie Sermons 🍿, Melatonin 😴, and Freeeeeeeeedom :: Episode 138
Jonnie almost ruins someone’s ministry for failure to properly vet a movie clip 🤬, while John almost punches his wife in his sleep 🥊. Then the boys discuss…
Talk About ThatTribes, Elections, and Redemption :: Episode 137
The boys discuss the impact of social media on the election aftermath. Jonnie posts a shirtless photo because he can. Then, John defends the Electoral College…
Talk About ThatTHROWBACK Episode! Runaway Carts, Mickey Ears, and Self-Preservation :: Episode 136
Time for another trip down memory lane, back to November 2018, to be exact. Jonnie tells the dumb story of his dumb injury, John takes his family to Disney…
Talk About ThatOld Man Flavors 👴🏻, Taco Bell Outrage 🌮 , and Scary Movies 😱 :: Episode 135
The boys ponder what sweets old people prefer, and to their horror, realize they ARE old people. Jonnie’s wife will probably get away with murder, while John…
Talk About ThatColas 🥤, Camelot 🏰, and Curses 💀 :: Episode 134
Jonnie wants the church to adopt Festivus rules. Then the boys discuss their favorite sodas, and whether CBD oil works. Also, special guest Alyson Holland…
Talk About ThatToilet Pageants, Comeback Kids, & Menu Standoffs :: Episode 133
Jonnie has some odd requirements for his hotel room, and almost ruins a middle school volleyball game. John hates small talk, and eats ice cream in bed like a…
Talk About ThatBluetooth, Time Warps ⏰, and After School Specials 💊 :: Episode 132
Jonnie explains his intense phobia of hoodies, and John offers a solution. John’s wife sets her clocks back in different rooms, and Jonnie ruins someone’s…
Talk About ThatAircraft Carriers, Igloo Churches, and Platforms :: Episode 131
John becomes an inside restaurant guy and ponders his “platform", while Jonnie visits Nebraska and hatches an invention that will (probably not) change…
Talk About ThatLaughing Gas 🤣, Snaggle Teeth 🦷, and Co-Dependency :: Episode 130
Jonnie goes to the dentist and gets way too much nitrous oxide, while John counsels his daughter without a license. Also, a conversation about an “Us vs. Them”…
Talk About ThatSocial Norms 🎧, Distanced Comedy 😂, and Scriptural Context 📖 :: Episode 129
Jonnie gets furious in an airport, and ponders breaking into the NBA Bubble, while John comes up with the cheesiest Youth Group slogan in history. Plus, a…
Talk About ThatGomer Dreams, Scream Sneezers 😱 and Wasted Lives 💀 :: Episode 128
Jonnie takes a trip to Middle Earth 16 years too late, and almost forgets a joke at a TV taping. John ruins Laura’s sleep and pulls a gun on dream burglars…
Talk About ThatCommunion Catastrophes 🍇, Online Church 👨💻, and Inventory 📝 :: Episode 127
John talks about the fall of the Roman Empire, white grape juice, and admits he speaks more bluntly on the livestream. Jonnie shares the perfect time limit for…
Talk About ThatOversharing, Punching Down, and “The Turn” :: Episode 126
John hates small talk, and desperately want to tell you about his rash, while Jonnie is worried that getting healthy will make him less funny. Then, the boys…
Talk About That90’s Songs, Scottish Accents, and Trichotomies :: Episode 125
John can’t stop working even on vacation, which Jonnie finds insufferable. Then they boys discuss what performer they’d risk getting COVID to see live in…
Talk About ThatBruised Fruit 🍊, Pyromania 🔥, and Collectivism :: Episode 124
Jonnie plays a terrifying version of hide-and-seek 🧦, while John plays tag with fireworks 🧨. Then, the boys make biking sermon illustrations 🚲. Also, a…
Talk About ThatBad Memories, Legalism, and Worry 😬 :: Episode 123
Jonnie has his first comedy club shows in the Age of Corona 😷, John shares some of his recovery journey, and the boys talk about having to “unlearn” some toxic…