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Talk About That
Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.
Episodes
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Best Of 2026 | Roadrunner Rules, Bruce Almighty, and Main Character Energy
John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone…
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Best Of 2026 | Secret Microphones, Escalators, and Reactionaryism
John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us…
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Best of 2026 | Old Technology, Deathbed Confessions, and Transactional Love
John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds…
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Best Of 2026 | Detachable Faces, Red Carnations, and Neighbors
John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is…
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Best of 2026 | Memory Lanes, Grammar Police, and Certainty
John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper…
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Best Of 2026 | Healthy Self-Awareness vs Unhealthy Navel-Gazing: What’s the Difference?
"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much…
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Best of 2026 | How Gratitude Can Quiet Your Anxiety (Plus Reclaimed Beanies & Going to Movies)
"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a…
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Thermostat Rules, Banned Scooters, and Childish Things
John can't sleep unless there’s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke…
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Guilt Trips, Fake Cakes, and Cowboy Presidents
The boys are joined by dear friend and documentary producer Alyson Holland to talk about her new project on Ronald Reagan. John forgets what generation he is…
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Hometowns, Angry Birds, and Folk Music: with Caleb Christopher Edwards!
John forgets the lyrics to his own song and reveals his earliest childhood memory. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders "very special episodes" of 80's sitcoms that dealt…
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Butterfly Kisses, Damaged Guitars, and The Best Revenge
John changes his mind on a cheesy 90's song now that he's a girl dad and ponders whether aliens are real. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals the commercial jingle that…
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Old Athletes, Walmart, and Criticism
John plays basketball against some teenagers and finds out that George Lucas was just making Star Wars up as he went along. Meanwhile, Jonnie evicts his…
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Filibusters, IKEA Statues, & Justice
John passes a class without ever opening the textbook and ponders whether he used to preach too long. Meanwhile, Jonnie wonders if train travel is really safe…
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Andre The Giant, Ice Cream Etiquette, and Old Friends
John does the work of 3 grown men and learns why Benjamin Franklin was a lot like Andre the Giant. Meanwhile, Jonnie eats the last ice cream bar while out on…
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Flying Rolls, Young Elvis, and Coincidences
John avoids flying bread and questions whether the Apostle Paul was easy to get along with. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders his comedy origin story and tells the…
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Theme Parks, Featherless Chickens, and Compromise
John wants his friends to be honest, even if it hurts—and gets hungry hearing about a tornado in England. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns exactly how many…
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Scary Teens, Terminators, & Persistent Prayers
John is terrified of youth (even though he was a youth pastor) and congratulates Jonnie on his symmetrical face wounds. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals the…
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Broken Noses, Big Macs, and Trusting God
John goes on a fast to get ready for his time on camera and makes a staunch defense of green peppers. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the harrowing tale of a gnarly…
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THROWBACK EPISODE: Dog Training, Confused Emus, and Better Forgiveness
This week, take a walk down memory lane from our October 17, 2024 episode where John gets played by his own dog and ponders a replacement for smart phones…
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Santa Conventions, Lottery Scams, and Mercy
John makes sermon illustrations about soda and hosts a Santa convention at the church. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells the story of Elmo testifying before Congress and…
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DVDs, Meeting Your Heroes, and Ragamuffins
John can't find the remote until he finds his glasses and defends his love of McDonald's. Meanwhile, Jonnie feels old after a conversation with a young…
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April Fools, Pseudonyms, and Noisy Gongs
John prepares for his "Super Bowl" and adds a middle initial to his books. Meanwhile Jonnie channels his inner Chris Farley for a church skit and tells the…
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Being “Cool,” Distracted Driving, and Humility
John dreams of a month-long train ride and tries not to embarrass himself in front of a Christian music legend. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a flat tire in the…
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Sneeze Limits, St. Patrick, and Good Graces
John wishes his girls would get ready faster and writes a children's book about a fish. Meanwhile, Jonnie think March has the most violent holidays, and…
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Spooky Houses, Old Pillows, and Leadership
John rents a haunted AirBnB and ponders podcasting from his deathbed. Meanwhile, Jonnie tries to be a better listener and discovers the terrifying reason he…
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Dog Mayors, Hockey, and Fools
John has no idea how ice hockey works and ponders if a cat could get elected mayor. Meanwhile, Jonnie wonders if a big butt helps you or hurts you with a hula…
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TSA Violations, Tebow, Kid Bank Robbers, and Hope
John tries to sneak a knife onto a plane and aims fireworks at his friends. Meanwhile, Jonnie meets Tim Tebow and tells the story of the time the Pope…
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Winter Olympics, Flying Cows, and Boundaries
Today on Talk About That, John opts out of the Multiverse and goes full "Analog Dad Mode" on a road trip. Meanwhile, Jonnie can't slow down on skis and tells…
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Pro Wrestling, Weird Statues, and Obstinate Christians
John learns the difference between further and farther, and tells us "how the sausage is made". Meanwhile, Jonnie visits a town with the strangest monument…
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Cootie Catchers, Honey Buns, and Submission
John preaches in a beanie and finds a luxurious toilet. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost shatters his windshield, and argues against the need for trees. Plus, a…
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Broken Trees, 6-7, and Sins of the Flesh
John wonders if trees are weaker in the South and prepares for Y2K with his dad. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders getting a taser and thinks Groucho Marx would've…
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Snow-mageddon, Stolen Cable, and Legacy
John has extreme generator FOMO as the big winter storm approaches and hopes his robot bed doesn't become self aware. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets bougie in the…
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Opening Acts, Monkey Co-hosts, and Certainty
John flies on a private jet and gets ignored by young people. Meanwhile, Jonnie uses two high schoolers as his opening act and invents a historical new drink…
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Farming, Mediocrity, and Trust
John listens to one of his daughter's favorite podcasts and ponders why someone would want to buy Hitler's old car. Meanwhile, Jonnie resolves to be mediocre…
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Movie Adaptations, “Justified” Shoplifting, and Vice
John finally gets into reading fiction, but hates it when the movie ends different than the book. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a random Venmo from a listener who is…
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Fake Trees, Illegal Christmas, and Greatness
John brings glowsticks to church and the crowd goes wild. Meanwhile, Jonnie rides in the back of a truck in January with a 300 lb television and tells the tale…
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SPECIAL Christmas Compilation Episode!
John and Jonnie bring you past clips from some of their favorite holiday moments of the podcast over the years. FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW…
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Aluminum Trees, Bad Candy, and Synthetic Connection
John reveals his least favorite candy and learns what beloved TV special killed the aluminum Christmas tree industry. Meanwhile, Jonnie has lunch with some…
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Movie Candy, Rabies, and Pottery Class
John questions the morality of sneaking in outside candy to the movies. Meanwhile, Jonnie joins the podcast remotely from snowy Michigan and tells the history…
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Laughing Gas, Thanksgiving History, and Prayer
John gets his wisdom teeth out and experiences time travel. Meanwhile, Jonnie searches for a loyal dog and shares historical facts about Thanksgiving. Plus, a…
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Flying Pigs, Shipwrecks, and Sanctification
John ponders whether AI will take our podcasting jobs and hates when his favorite shows "jump the shark.” Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a WAY too firm handshake…
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Super Glue, Exploding Whales, and Thankfulness
John's standing desk goes rogue and he learns a musical use for Super Glue. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals why the sandwich was invented and tells the tale of the…
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Favorite Chairs, Shattered Backboards, and Loving Our Enemies
John finds his bald band of brothers and hopes he eventually gets a recliner. Meanwhile, Jonnie visits a famous golf destination and reveals yet another 80's…
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Retractions, Dust Mites, and Grace
John takes an "L" when he issues a snarky retraction about typewriters and brags about his ability to worry. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns a troubling fact about…
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Steroid Shots, Bad Eyes, and Dehumanization
John gets over his fear of needles and gets emotional listening to Guns N Roses. Meanwhile, Jonnie figures out his eyes are failing while hanging out with a…
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Nacho Libre, Adult Braces, and Misinformation
John reminisces on his childhood days as a pool shark and tells us why he is a prisoner in his own mouth. Meanwhile, Jonnie decides minivans aren't so bad and…
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Tunnels, Sarcasm, and Encouragement
John is enamored with his car's technology and patiently awaits Nashville's new tunnel system. Meanwhile, Jonnie does a show for people in recovery and tells…
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Nixon's Pup, Guy Movies, and Failure
John wants a 3D printed liver and spends a week at home alone watching movies his wife would hate. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders how adorable old political…
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Spider Therapy, Shark Jumping, and Anxiety
John goes snake hunting and tells us why he doesn't like scary movies. Meanwhile Jonnie visits Stephen King's house in Maine and shares the story of the man…
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Car Wrecks, Jingles, and Virtue Signaling
John has a serious dilemma when choosing a license plate and is upset by the current trends in facial hair. Meanwhile, Jonnie gives an update on his scratched…
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ChatBots, Mystery Notes, and Tradition
John pits AI servers against one another and learns about a war that lasted about as long as this episode. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a mysterious note from a…
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Mouth Tape, Old Hymns, and Confirmation Bias
John tells us his elaborate sleeping regimen, and tries to bring back the offeratory in church services. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a case of the "church giggles"…
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Fencepost Turtles, Boat People, and The Pursuit of Happiness
John doesn't have time to kayak and doesn't sell his soul (because he got no offers). Meanwhile, Jonnie performs feats of strength at a show, and tells the…
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Engine Explosions, Bird Attacks, and Hopelessness
John learns about the Mandela Effect and tells us whether he'd sell the awards he's won for writing. Meanwhile, Jonnie opens a timeshare for birds and thinks…
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Stolen Phones, Window Taxes, and Bad Referees
John celebrates the contentious history of the ice cream cone, and never goes anywhere without his emergency jacket. Meanwhile, Jonnie hurts himself on a Ninja…
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Groundhog Day, Tomatoes, and Masculinity
John traps a groundhog and immediately makes it into a sermon illustration. Meanwhile, Jonnie doesn't like it when restaurants use animals as mascots, and…
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Tree Invasions, Listener Emails, and Idols
John goes for a jog and gets attacked by an unlikely predator. Meanwhile, Jonnie decides not to tell his Kenny Rogers joke for a very good reason, and dreams…
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Civil War, Bad Sequels, and Moods
John goes to an archeological dig and channels his inner Indiana Jones for a history book project. Meanwhile, Jonnie takes us behind the scenes for his debut…
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Varmints, Walkmans, and Servanthood
John fights to remove some unwelcome houseguests before they cost him his savings (and sanity). Meanwhile, Jonnie gets creeped out in the restroom at the…
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Uncle Sam, Rabbit Attacks, and Gratefulness
John has an awkward encounter with a possum and issues a retraction about St. Bernards. Meanwhile, Jonnie performs at a wedding reception and reveals the world…