Shows / Talk About That
Talk About That
Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.
Episodes
- Talk About That
Disney Hugs, Ranch Retractions, and Battles
John issues a retraction about ranch dressing and pours money into an old car. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals why a hug from a Disney character is the best and…
- Talk About That
90's Country, Lottery Dreams, and Ego Death
John puts himself on the (literal) hot seat and buys a Cadillac made of gold. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us about the "Dancing Plague" of the 16th Century and the…
- Talk About That
Family Trips, 3-Year Beards, and Self-Talk
John stays in a hiking lodge with strangers and tells us why some things are better off being dirty. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a mishap trimming his goatee and…
- Talk About That
Guillotines, Saint Bernards, and Movies
John wants to take a long train ride and is exhausted by AI deep fake videos. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a Facebook comment that is actually helpful and makes a…
- Talk About That
A-Listers, Interrupting Dogs, and Inspiration
John defies his GPS and begrudgingly admits his father's motto was actually pretty great. Meanwhile, Jonnie brags about his elite status on a budget airline…
- Talk About That
Ghost Camels, Arranged Marriages, and Dyed Souls
John has specific instructions for his wife when he dies, and reveals his obsession with vice grip pliers. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the real villain of the…
- Talk About That
Dopamine, Extra Bread, and Complexity
John critiques the Big Mac and tries to be productive, but only if he can track it on his phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a decade-old video go viral and does a…
- Talk About That
Elon Implants, Lottery Cheats, and Emotional Maturity
John gets invited by Jonnie to a gender reveal party for an insect and refuses to get his brain hacked by Elon Musk. Meanwhile, Jonnie thinks Abe Lincoln…
- Talk About That
Disney Trips, Shiny Heads, and Impostor Syndrome
John tries to stop his head from shining, and tells us the illustrious history of the Slurpee. Meanwhile, Jonnie goes to a 20 year old movie, and shares the…
- Talk About That
Movie Theaters, Magic Tricks, and Hardships
John teaches us about the history of candy and ponders growing a skullet. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a senior moment at the movie theater and tries to find out why…
- Talk About That
Roadrunner Rules, Bruce Almighty, and Main Character Energy
John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone…
- Talk About That
Manglers, Acai Bowls, and Integrity
John gets bougie with the sideline snacks for his daughter's volleyball game and wonders if Daniel from the Bible snuggled with the lions. Meanwhile, Jonnie…
- Talk About That
Secret Microphones, Escalators, and Reactionaryism
John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us…
- Talk About That
Old Technology, Deathbed Confessions, and Transactional Love
John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds…
- Talk About That
Mr. Icee, Hula Hoops, and Suffering
John tells us about his short-lived career as a rapper and ponders how much protection his book would offer against a would be assassin. Meanwhile, Jonnie…
- Talk About That
Detachable Faces, Red Carnations, and Neighbors
John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is…
- Talk About That
Memory Lanes, Grammar Police, and Certainty
John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper…
- Talk About That
Overpacking, Phone Addiction, and Vulnerability
John does some retail therapy and ponders a bold new way to reduce his screen time. Meanwhile, Jonnie hits the road with way too much luggage and tells the…
- Talk About That
Our Goal in Life Should Not Be Happiness. But What Should It Be Instead?
"You do not need to know precisely what is happening or exactly where it is all going. What you need is to recognize the possibilities and challenges offered…
- Talk About That
Is Knowing Too Much Killing Our Brains? Information Overload in the Age of the Internet
Bertrand Russell said, “There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge.” If there was ever a flagship quote for our podcast, is this…
- Talk About That
Healthy Self-Awareness vs Unhealthy Navel-Gazing: What’s the Difference?
"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much…
- Talk About That
Avoiding the Comparison Trap in Your Career (Plus Missed Opportunities & Fingerless Gloves)
John comes in second place A LOT and tries his best to look menacing on his way to Walgreens. Meanwhile, Jonnie eats way too many caramels and learns that the…
- Talk About That
How Gratitude Can Quiet Your Anxiety (Plus Reclaimed Beanies & Going to Movies)
"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a…
- Talk About That
Inconvenience or Adventure? How Perspective Shapes Experience (Plus: Christmas Pickles)
Think about it: the greatest adventures you’ve experienced almost certainly had inconveniences. What mishaps are you currently experiencing that might…
- Talk About That
Burning Rugs, Explosive Shoes, and Self-Righteousness
John becomes an impromptu firefighter and turns Jonnie's rental car story into a sermon illustration. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets flagged at the airport and tells…
- Talk About That
Santa Stops, Prison Visits, and Advent
John questions Santa's delivery route and takes a private jet straight to prison. Meanwhile, Jonnie has his rental car confiscated in the middle of the night…
- Talk About That
Frozen Turkeys, Cheapskates, and Big Tables
John tells us why we really eat turkey at Thanksgiving and is forced to perform in a talent show before he can join the feast. Meanwhile, Jonnie defends the…
- Talk About That
Is Gen Z Ready to Shed Cynicism and Embrace Hope?
On this episode of Talk About That, we come back to the idea that cynicism is easy and hope is hard. If we’re not careful, we can all be cynics. But what…
- Talk About That
Peppers, Hobbies, & Filibusters
John defends green peppers, eats gum wrappers, and needs a hobby. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders why people romanticize medieval times and reveals the surprising…
- Talk About That
Prayer Peekers, Smarty Pants, and Stubbornness
John keeps a secret folder of phrases to make himself look cool at parties and invents a clothing line. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders people who pray with one eye…
- Talk About That
Monk Retreats, Hotel Robes, and Generosity
John gets frustrated with ChatGPT and wants to be a monk (except for the silence part). Meanwhile, Jonnie stays at a hotel with a fancy television and thinks…
- Talk About That
The Importance of Voting and Civic Duties (Plus Early Baldness and Bruce Lee)
John tells us why he just can't lick his fingers anymore and gets jealous of the Bachelor. Meanwhile, Jonnie dishes on an exciting delivery to the old ‘Beverly…
- Talk About That
A Better Way to Think about Forgiveness (Plus Dog Training & Confused Emus)
John gets played by his own dog and ponders a replacement for smart phones. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns about pandas who fake pregnancy and how Abe Lincoln got…
- Talk About That
Why Battle Language in Scripture Needs to Be Handled with Care (Plus Plane Crashes, Redshirts & Loving Our Enemies)
John looks bad in volleyball shorts and talks to a coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the origin of the “redshirt freshman” in football and why the Beatles’…
- Talk About That
The Perfect Sandwich, Dopamine, and Systems
John supersizes his game day food and ponders a time before cellphones ruined us. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why a picnic is no picnic and reveals how a little…
- Talk About That
Neural Implants, World War III, and The Party of Principle
John ponders neural implants and whether he’d want to control devices with his mind. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us about the guy who saved the entire world from…
- Talk About That
"I Have Everything, Why Am I Still Sad?" A Conversation on Anxiety (Plus Outdoor Comedy and Lightbulb Jokes)
John and Jonnie chat about the pros and cons of performing at a music festival. Then, Jonnie tells the tale of the very first chiropractor and shares some old…
- Talk About That
How We’re Choosing Hope Instead of Cynicism (Plus Garbage Gifts and First Car Crashes)
John gets a present straight from the garbage and starts a militia. Meanwhile, Jonnie wrecks his first car spectacularly and tells us about the longest…
- Talk About That
Rizz, Piggly Wiggly, and Priorities
John learns the origins of the slang term “Rizz” and raises a celebratory toast to 17th century Massachusetts. Meanwhile, Jonnie haunts his own car while it’s…
- Talk About That
Recliners, False Endings, and Good Intentions
John’s recliner dreams are dashed and he hesitates to tell strangers what he does for a living. Meanwhile, Jonnie has nightmares he can’t wake up from and…
- Talk About That
Talking Volleyballs, Geometry, and Essentials
John has to relearn geometry and tries his best not to be a bad sports parent. Meanwhile, Jonnie reminisces about school supplies that were also implements of…
- Talk About That
Breakdancing, Olympic Painting, and Eternity
John tells us about some odd olympic sports that got discontinued and learns about a forbidden dance that terrified Christian parents when we were kids…
- Talk About That
Olympics, Rap Beefs, and Trust
John thinks the Olympic Steeplechase is unnecessarily dangerous and ponders getting our old band back together as a vanity project cash grab. Meanwhile, Jonnie…
- Talk About That
Lost Keys, Finder’s Fees, and Wonder
John thinks he deserves a cut of the proceeds from Jonnie’s comedy shows and dusts off his old Spanish lessons for a family trip. Meanwhile, Jonnie has the…
- Talk About That
Pet Names, Typos, and Truth
John can’t spell “yogurt” and has a dog who gives himself shock therapy. Meanwhile, Jonnie isn’t sure a llama should be in your kitchen and tells us the…
- Talk About That
Cat Jokes, Canyon Crashes, and Interdependence
John misquotes yet another popular saying and wants to die at age 100 in the most dramatic way possible. Meanwhile, Jonnie argues that “tearing it off quick…
- Talk About That
Love Languages, Torture Songs, and Goodness
John becomes an overnight Lakers fan and tells us what song could be used to torture him into submission. Meanwhile, Jonnie goes to a Celine Dion concert and…
- Talk About That
Why It's So Easy to Idolize the Days of Youth
John shares his supervillain origin story and why he loves sitting in a hot car (even though it might be killing him). Meanwhile, Jonnie tells an old (and…
- Talk About That
Shoe Racks, Seatbelts, and Isolation
John compares churches to soft drinks and reveals his wife’s growing (and dangerous) shoe problem. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his mind about seatbelt laws and…
- Talk About That
Doomsday Preppers, 25-foot Chickens, and The Truman Show
John goes to a fishing rodeo and regrets not being a doomsday prepper. Meanwhile, Jonnie makes some new friends at a petting zoo and ponders being chased by…
- Talk About That
Old New Cars, Jingles, and Contrarianism
John tells us the secret to happiness and gives his daughter (and himself) a birthday gift. Meanwhile, Jonnie takes a bucket list trip with his 84-year old…
- Talk About That
Can You Choose to be in a Good Mood?
John tells us why he would be a terrible NASCAR driver and the boys argue over whether professional wrestlers are athletes or actors. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a…
- Talk About That
Are Cicadas Out for Revenge?
John goes to extreme lengths to stop his snoring and attracts some local females. Meanwhile, Jonnie’s poor eyesight almost causes a scene at the grocery store…
- Talk About That
Prejudice, Body Language, and Twister
John ponders what the best accent is and wants to bring back the word “comeuppance.” Meanwhile, Jonnie takes his first red-eye flight and tells the story of…
- Talk About That
Cold Cuts, Traitors, and Self-Worth
John changes his mind about lunchmeat and gets kicked out of a football game. Meanwhile, Jonnie turns the tables on a police officer, and tells the tale of the…
- Talk About That
Loaded Broccoli, Gift Horses, and Hope
John threatens someone with a loaded broccoli and tells us why not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns about redundant colons and gives…
- Talk About That
You Will Definitely Be Forgotten (and That’s Great News)
John gets a ’67 Mustang and some pointy sideburns, and wonders if relatives can see us from heaven. Meanwhile, Jonnie wonders how long he could stand on one…
- Talk About That
How Concerned Should You Be About the End of the World?
John preaches the day before the eclipse and DOES NOT reference it in his sermon. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells the story of a presidential candidate who lost an…
- Talk About That
Analog Rebellion, Deep Fake News, and Divine Intervention
John reads some listener emails and gets his writing into The Bible (but not like a heretic, we promise). Meanwhile, Jonnie is starting to fear Artificial…
- Talk About That
Christian Music, Big Orange, and Sowing & Reaping
John tells us what NOT to say in a fight with your wife and that we basically drink orange juice for breakfast because of a government contract during World…