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Second Nature
Life on Earth is changing faster than ever. Second Nature introduces you to the people driving that change.
Join host Rich Stockdale as he sits down with some of the most interesting people working at the intersection of nature, business, finance, adventure, leadership, and politics. Together, they uncover the stories, lessons, and truths that will shape the future of our planet.
Expect everything from extreme journeys in the wild to high-performance insights, from conservation breakthroughs to…
Episodes
Second NatureE142 David Marquet: The Leadership Mutiny
What if the best leaders stopped giving orders altogether? David Marquet — former US Navy submarine commander and author of Turn the Ship Around! — took…
Second NatureE141 James Shepherd: From Responsibility to Resilience
James Shepherd’s journey began in a family boatyard in South Staffordshire, but his path was never straightforward. Growing up with challenges at home, he…
Second NatureE140 Carl Atkin-House: Scaling the Unscalable
What does “scale” really mean when you’re talking about saving the planet? For Carl Atkin-House — Head of Natural Capital Strategy at Climate Asset Management…
Second NatureE139 Andy Creak: Natural Capital: A Guide for Institutional Investors
Andy Creak isn’t here to talk about sustainability — he’s here to rewire finance itself. After decades building fintech platforms and taking on titans like…
Second NatureE138 Alex Godfrey: Carbon, Cash, and Collapse
Alex Godfrey left a career in high finance to rebuild the rules of investment around the only capital that matters: nature. From the Bolivian Amazon to UK…
Second NatureE137 Guy Hayler: Building The Blue Earth Summit 2025
Guy Hayler doesn’t just talk about business as a force for good — he’s building the ecosystem to prove it. As co-founder of Blue Earth, Guy has raised £155…
Second NatureE136 Julia Armstrong D'Agnese: Forecasting the Future
Julia Armstrong D’Agnese isn’t selling software. She’s building Earth Knowledge — digital twins of the planet that Fortune 500s, governments, and insurers use…
Second NatureE135 Peter Stein: The Conservation Deal-Maker
Peter Stein has spent his life proving that conservation isn’t about nostalgia—it’s about power, money, and strategy. From building urban parks in the South…
Second NatureE134 Anika Staccone: Nature Needs More Than Numbers
Anika Staccone has always lived at the edge of forests and frontiers. From watching pine beetles devastate her childhood landscapes in Colorado, to leading…
Second NatureE133 Tripp Wall: The Economics of Restoration
Can markets really bring ecosystems back to life? Tripp Wall thinks so — and he’s putting capital where most only put campaigns. As founder of Trailhead…
Second NatureE132 Shannon Smith: The Truth Behind Offsets
Carbon markets could be the backbone of climate finance. Shannon Smith, Chief Commercial Officer at Chestnut Carbon, joins Rich Stockdale PhD to unpack one of…
Second NatureE131 Lauren Carrol: Through the Lost Forest
Lauren Carrol, Chief Operating Officer at BrewDog, takes us inside one of the most talked-about sustainability moves in business: the acquisition — and sale —…
Second NatureE130 Tim Graham: Wilding Without Limits
What if the systems meant to protect nature are actually holding it back? Tim Graham has spent 20 years inside the world of conservation, and he’s not afraid…
Second NatureE129 Paul McMahon: From Soil To Scale
What if farming wasn’t broken — just funded the wrong way? Paul McMahon, Managing Director of SLM Partners, joins Rich to reveal how regenerative agriculture…
Second NatureE128 Franjo Salic: Recharging the Energy Revolution
What if the future of energy isn’t in building new projects — but rebuilding smarter ones? Franjo Salic, Chief Investment Officer at CEE Group, joins Rich in…
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What if the conversations everyone else avoids are the ones we most need to hear?Shoot Room Sessions isn’t about safe answers or polite headlines — it’s about…
Second NatureE127 Jake Fiennes: The Wild Return to Holkham
Forget what you think you know about conservation. Jake Fiennes, Director of Conservation at Holkham Estate, is rewriting the rules of land management…
Second NatureE126 Jim Murray: Putting a Spotlight On The Stream
Jim Murray’s journey spans the bright lights of hit TV dramas, the creative world of art, and the urgent, often overlooked fight to save Britain’s rivers. As…
Second NatureE125 Guy Thompson: The Nature Market Paradox
What if the environment sector doesn’t really exist? Guy Thompson, MD of EnTrade, sits down in the Shoot Room to challenge the very idea of the sector, explore…
Second NatureE124 Ashlee Murrell: Rewilding Estate Management
What does it take to run 694 acres of land, transform lakes and waterways, and launch a sustainable tourism program that wows hundreds of visitors - all while…
Second NatureE123 Archie Barnes: The Unreasonable Art of Hospitality
What if sustainable tourism wasn’t a niche — but the future of land management? Archie Barnes, Estate Custodian at Mornacott, isn’t just managing land — he’s…
Second NatureE122 Asher Clark: The Fate of Footwear is Bare
Asher Clark, co-founder of Vivobarefoot, is dismantling the myths we’ve built around footwear. In a world obsessed with more padding, more support, more stuff…
Second NatureE121 Annabel Thomas: The Future Poured Neat
What if the future of Scotch isn’t in its past — but in tearing up the playbook entirely? Rich sits down with Annabel Thomas, founder of Nc’Nean, the whisky…
Second NatureE120 Robert Godfrey: Where the Money Should Grow
Can you build a climate start-up that actually works? Rob Godfrey, co-founder of Treeconomy, sits down in the Shoot Room to challenge the broken logic of…
Second NatureE119 Paddy Dring: The Hidden Cost
What does it really take to stay at the top for nearly four decades? And what do you lose along the way? Rich Stockdale sits down with Paddy Dring, joint head…
Second NatureE118 Chris Winter: Making the Market
This is the EV movement for nature — invest early or miss out. The Oxygen Conservation Carbon Curve 2025 is here — and in this special episode, Chris Winter…
Second NatureE117 Howard Davies: Where Values Are Distilled
What if the future of luxury… was refillable? Can a bottle still feel premium when it’s been reused — again and again? Howard Davies, co-founder of Salcombe…
Second NatureE116 Elena Doms: This Plant Could Help Fix the Planet
Born above the Arctic Circle, Elena Doms saw climate collapse before most of us believed it was real. Now she’s leading a not so quiet revolution — not with…
Second NatureE115 Andrew Hicks: Beyond The Herd
Andrew Hicks, CEO of Biodiversity Exchange (bngx) and former NatWest banker, joins Rich Stockdale PhD for a no-nonsense conversation about leadership…
Second NatureE114 Esme Evans: BNG, Bureaucracy, and Bold Visions
Esme Evans returns to the Shoot Room—ecologist, estate manager, and now a vital part of the Oxygen Conservation Natural Capital team. With a background in…
Second NatureE113 Kat Bruce: Turning Nature into Data
Founder of NatureMetrics and a pioneering force in the emerging field of nature tech - Kat Bruce’s journey is anything but conventional—from studying tropical…
Second NatureE112 Adam Hedley: The Climate Clause
“We called it carbon trading, but no one stopped to ask what we were actually trading.” Carbon markets. ESG litigation. Climate credibility. Adam Hedley…
Second NatureE111 Ben Bulger: A Recipe For Impact
There’s something magnetic about people who’ve operated at the highest levels — and then had the courage to say, “This isn’t working.” Ben Bulger is one of…
Second NatureE110 Benedict Macdonald and Gil Martin: The Price of Restoration
What does it take to scale nature recovery—without owning a single acre? Benedict Macdonald and Gil Martin have been wrestling with that question from opposite…
Second NatureE109 Bevis Watts: Banking on Nature
What happens when a banker goes in search of beavers—and ends up helping reshape the future of finance? Bevis Watts returns to the Shoot Room for a…
Second NatureE108 Abbey Dudas: Chapters of Change
What if we stopped pretending conservation is simple? What if we admitted it’s messy, political, and full of compromise? What if we told the truth — and let…
Second NatureE107 Will Hayler: Tides of Change
What if your passion wasn’t the destination, but the starting point? Rich Stockdale is joined by Will Hayler, CEO and Co-Founder of Blue Earth — the…
Second NatureE106 Sophie Pavelle: Learning Out Loud
What does absence teach us about nature? And what can parasites, fungi, and strange symbiotic relationships reveal about life — and our place in it? This week…
Second NatureE105 Claire Whitfield: Land, Legacy, and Letting Go
What does it mean to really care for a piece of land—and the people who depend on it? Claire Whitfield has spent over two decades answering that question. As a…
Second NatureE104 Tom Bloom: The Landscape in Layers
This week, we sit down with Tom Bloom, a drone surveyor and proclaimed “terrain detective” at Oxygen Conservation. With a background as a chartered mechanical…
Second NatureE103 Sophie Storm Roberts: Summit Your Fear
What if the wildest version of your life is waiting on the other side of yes? Sophie Storm Roberts stopped waiting to feel ready—and that single decision…
Second NatureE102 Alicia Gibson: Financing Our Earth
What if nature had a balance sheet—and we finally learned how to read it? Can private investment be the key to restoring our planet’s most fragile ecosystems?…
Second NatureE101 John Elkington: The Godfather of Sustainability
John Elkington has spent over four decades shaping the global sustainability movement. Dubbed the “Godfather of Sustainability”, he has advised some of the…
Second NatureE100 Rich Stockdale: Leadership is a Team Sport
Shoot Room Sessions has officially hit triple digits—and we’re celebrating in style with a very special guest. For our 100th episode, we’re joined by OC’s own…
Second NatureE99 Harriet Bell: The Politics of Your Plate
In this explosive episode of The Shoot Room Sessions, we tackle one of the most urgent issues of our time—how food is the key to fixing our broken health and…
Second NatureE98 James Wallace: Fighting for Our Rivers
What happens when a troubled youth, corporate disillusionment, and a deep love for nature collide? You get James Wallace, Chief Executive of River Action—a…
Second NatureE97 Flora Harley: Redefining ESG
In this episode, Rich Stockdale sits down with Flora Harley, Head of ESG Research at Knight Frank, to explore how climate risk, regulation, and investment…
Second NatureE96 Caroline Hopper: Pensions Protecting Nature
In this episode of Shoot Room Sessions, we sit down with Caroline Hopper, lead consultant at Quietroom and a leading voice in responsible investment. From her…
Second NatureE95 Kevin Cox: From Publishing to Protection
In this episode of Shoot Room Sessions, we sit down with Kevin Cox, former Chair of the RSPB and a lifelong advocate for nature conservation. From his early…
Second NatureE94 Peter Harker: Staying in the Black to Go Green
In this episode of Shoot Room Sessions, we sit down with Peter Harker, partner at Saffery and head of their Natural Capital team. From his early days exploring…
Second NatureE93 Richard Benwell: Linking Land, Law, and Legacy
What does it take to drive real change for nature? In this episode, Richard Benwell, CEO of Wildlife and Countryside Link, shares his journey from a…
Second NatureE92 Matt Walpole: Balancing Nature and People
In this episode of Shoot Room Sessions, we sit down with Matt Walpole, Chief Executive of the Cornwall Wildlife Trust, to explore his extraordinary career in…
Second NatureE91 Sylvain Vaquer: Revolutionising Nature Monitoring
This week, we sit down with Sylvain, the visionary co-founder and CEO of Mozaic Earth, to explore how technology, community, and a deep respect for nature are…
Second NatureE90 James Farrell: Powered by Knight Frank
In this engaging episode of The Shoot Room Sessions, we sit down with James Farrell, Partner at Knight Frank and Head of Rural, to celebrate Knight Frank…
Second NatureE89 Ed Dick: Great Yellow’s Hive Vision
In this episode of Shoot Room Sessions, we explore Ed’s journey to founding Great Yellow. Before launching his venture, Ed spent five impactful years at…
Second NatureE88 George Eustice: The Political Environment
George Eustice was a Minister in DEFRA for nine years including almost three years in Cabinet. He brought into law the Agriculture Act 2020, the Environment…
Second NatureE87 George Pawley: Behind the Acquisition
In this episode of Shoot Room Sessions, Rich sits down with George Pawley, General Counsel at Oxygen Conservation, to discuss the exciting acquisition of the…
Second NatureE86 Grant Moir: Peaks, Parks and Purposeful Plans
Grant Moir has served as Chief Executive of the Cairngorms National Park Authority since March 2013. A graduate of Aberdeen University, Grant previously spent…
Second NatureE85 Roxanne Ratcliff: Pathways to Net Zero
Roxanne is Head of Responsible Business at UK independent law firm Burges Salmon. The firm has been rated as one of the leading ESG focused law firms across…
Second NatureE84 Roger Bull: Leadership with Purpose
As Burges Salmon’s Managing Partner, Roger works with the Senior Partner, Strategic Board and wider partnership to set the firm’s direction and ensure its…