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Second Nature
Life on Earth is changing faster than ever. Second Nature introduces you to the people driving that change.
Join host Rich Stockdale as he sits down with some of the most interesting people working at the intersection of nature, business, finance, adventure, leadership, and politics. Together, they uncover the stories, lessons, and truths that will shape the future of our planet.
Expect everything from extreme journeys in the wild to high-performance insights, from conservation breakthroughs to…
Episodes
Second NatureE201 Tom George: Why It's Time to Let AI Take Over Your Business!
What if six months of work could be completed in a single afternoon? And what if that's only the beginning? Artificial intelligence is fundamentally changing…
Second NatureE200 Rich Stockdale: How We Built a Conservation Empire From an Impossible Idea
Five years ago, Dr Rich Stockdale set out to build something most people thought was impossible. Today, Oxygen Conservation has grown into an extraordinary…
Second NatureE199 George Pawley: Scaling Capital - How We're Making Nature Investable
How do you turn ambitious ideas for nature into investment opportunities at scale? From helping establish Oxygen Conservation over five years ago to becoming…
Second NatureE198 Chris Winter: Scaling Intelligence - The Technology Behind the Future of Nature
Can AI transform how we understand, value and restore nature? Dr Rich Stockdale is joined by Chris Winter, newly appointed Managing Director of Oxygen…
Second NatureE197 Fiona Milden: Scaling Conservation - The People Making It Possible
Buying land is one thing. Transforming it is something entirely different. As Oxygen Conservation enters its next chapter, Fiona Milden steps into the role of…
Second NatureE196 Manuel Pinuela: The Most Undervalued Asset Might Be Right Under Our Feet
Dr Manuel Piñuela is CEO and co-founder of Cultivo, the natural capital company approaching 2 million acres across North America. His argument is deceptively…
Second NatureE195 Eliza Ecclestone & Gavin Lane: Why Britain Needs to Rethink What Its Countryside Is For
We ask an extraordinary amount of Britain's countryside. Produce our food. Restore nature. Store carbon. Hold floodwater. Build houses. Generate energy. Create…
Second NatureE194 New York Climate Week Live: The Uncomfortable Truth About AI, Climate Change & Nature
AI could be one of the most powerful tools we've ever had for nature. It could also make the problem considerably worse. Live from New York Climate Week, Rich…
Second NatureE193 Tim Wigmore: What Cricket Can Teach Us About Data, Business, Talent & Risk
Rich Stockdale has given away more copies of Crickonomics than any other book. Not because he is obsessed with cricket, although that helps, but because he…
Second NatureE192 Sam Larner: Why Talent Alone Doesn't Build a Winning Team
What if the most valuable person in a rugby team isn’t on the pitch? Sam Larner has spent years pulling apart professional rugby through data. And the numbers…
Second NatureE191 Nadia Nikolova: The Uncomfortable Truth About Investing in Nature
Impact investing has spent years fighting for a tiny slice of institutional portfolios. Nadia Nikolova thinks that is the wrong fight. As CEO of…
Second NatureE190 Cain Blythe: Stop Trying To Save Nature! This Is How We Actually Fund It
For years, the nature sector built projects first and asked where the money would come from later. Cain Blythe thinks that has to change. From the first major…
Second NatureE189 Nathan Curtis & Ben Stansfield: What Makes A Great Lawyer?
Nature is moving from environmental obligation to financial opportunity. But what does it actually take to turn biodiversity, habitat and ecosystem services…
Second NatureE188 Tom Crowther: Stop Trying To Save The World
For years, the environmental movement told us to be afraid of the future. Tom Crowther thinks that story has run its course. From discovering 3 trillion trees…
Second NatureE187 Katie Neck & Elena Doms: Building A Movement
Nature doesn't have a science problem. It has a communication problem. From Formula 1 paddocks to boardrooms, from global brands to Climate Week, Katie Neck…
Second NatureE186 Ollie Potter & Kevin Webb: The Nature Tech Revolution
Everyone agrees nature matters. Almost nobody understands where the real opportunity is. Nature tech is quietly becoming one of the most important investment…
Second NatureE185 Benedict Macon-Cooney: Winning The AI Century
Everyone agrees AI will change the world. Almost nobody is asking what happens when governments built for the industrial age try to govern the intelligence…
Second NatureE184 Soma Pitiryi: The Human Algorithm
Everyone talks about product-market fit. Hardly anyone talks about founder-market fit. Soma Pirityi believes we've been measuring startups the wrong way. After…
Second NatureE183 James Cameron: The Lawyer Who Changed Climate
James Cameron has spent four decades operating where politics, business and the environment collide. He helped shape modern international climate law, advised…
Second NatureE182 Luke Baldwin: Rarer Than Diamonds
Luke Baldwin started a carbon credit business in 2023 — by his own admission, the worst possible year to do it. The market was in freefall, trust was gone, and…
Second NatureE181 Clifford Chance, Live: The Honest Room
Five years ago a carbon credit was $1 and largely a joke. Today it's hundreds of pounds a tonne, rated, insured, and traded on an exchange. The people who did…
Second NatureE180 Nature Inc. Live: Live From London Climate Week
The economy has always been a subsidiary of nature. We just didn't have the instruments to prove it. Now we do — and the conversation is getting uncomfortable…
Second NatureE179 Allister Furey: Manufacturing Trust
Allister Furey trained as a biologist, fell into AI before anyone called it AI, built kite-powered wind energy systems, sold a company to a competitor, ran…
Second NatureE178 OC Round Table: Building A Dynasty
Five years ago there was no portfolio. No team. No podcast. No estates. The highest carbon credit price was under £20. Biodiversity net gain didn't exist. Rich…
Second NatureE177 Asger Strange-Olesen: The Additionality Problem
Asger Strange Olesen has spent 15 years building context most people in this space only claim to have. Carbon developer, EU Climate Directorate, FSC Global…
Second NatureE176 Richard Kelly & Robert Guest: Britain Is Running Out of Trees
Richard Kelly and Robert Guest were employees 63 and 64 at Foresight. They built a £150 million portfolio in 12 months, took it public on the London Stock…
Second NatureE175 Insurance Round Table: The Market Nobody Talks About
Everyone talks about capital flows into nature. Nobody talks about what has to be true before that capital will move. Insurance isn't a nice-to-have in natural…
Second NatureE174 Ed Thorne & Greg Robson: Relationships Can't Be Automated
Greg Robson and Ed Thorne founded Sand River three years ago with a simple but radical premise: the companies solving the ecological crisis are the best…
Second NatureE173 Tim Christophersen: The $7 Trillion Secret Destroying The Planet
Tim Christophersen had a UN contract running to 2038. Diplomatic passport. Lifetime security. A ringside seat to every major environmental agreement on the…
Second NatureE172 David Gerard: Wonder Is a Business Strategy
David Gerard has spent 30 years learning how to make people forget to be cool. From FAO Schwartz at six years old to the highest-rated show in Las Vegas, from…
Second NatureE171 Troy Carter: AI Will Save the Forests
Carbon markets are broken. Not because the projects don't work — but because nobody has decided they should. Troy Carter, founder of Earthshot Labs, has spent…
Second NatureE170 Dimitri Theocharis: The Hyperscalers Are Coming
Dimitri Theocharis grew up watching an economy collapse. So he left. New York, San Francisco, Harvard Business School. Then something unexpected: a climate…
Second NatureE169 Tommy Ricketts: The Reckoning Is Coming
Tommy Ricketts is the co-founder and CEO of BeZero Carbon — the company that built the world's first carbon ratings agency, walked into COP26, and got told…
Second NatureE168 BNG Round Table: This is Still the First Chapter
Britain's biodiversity market was two years old when someone tried to kill it. Not deliberately — just through the spectacular collision of political timing…
Second NatureE167 Paul Beavis: Why I Left the Greatest Wines in the World
Paul Beavis ran a €90 million global champagne business. He was the face of one of the world's most prestigious drinks brands. And he walked away from all of…
Second NatureE166 Martin Berg: Nature Is Becoming a $1BN Business
A $1 billion bet on nature sounds like impact. It’s actually something far more uncomfortable. Martin Berg isn’t guessing where this goes—he’s building it…
Second NatureE165 Dimple Patel: Stop Waiting For Permission
Dimple Patel didn't arrive at the CEO chair via the usual route. She grew up on a council estate in the north of England, the daughter of immigrants who had…
Second NatureE164 Ian Simm: Nature Is The Next Big Trade
Can investing help solve environmental challenges — while still delivering strong returns? In this episode of the Oxygen Conservation Podcast, Rich Stockdale…
Second NatureE163 Vian Sharif: Finance, AI and the Future of Nature
What happens when financial markets finally realise nature isn’t external to the economy — but fundamental to it? In this episode of the Oxygen Conservation…
Second NatureE162 Will Foulkes: Retail Is Sitting On Untouched Billions
What if the fastest way to fund nature isn’t through donations… but through the global payments system? Will Foulkes left elite structured finance at a Magic…
Second NatureE161 Lara Salam & Doris Koeck: We Built a Nature Algorithm
Everyone thinks Oxygen Conservation is a land company. It’s not. It’s a data platform from its absolute DNA. In this rare behind-the-scenes conversation, Rich…
Second NatureE160 Rob Gardner: Floods Will Break Britain
Rob Gardner isn’t trying to make nature sound good. He’s trying to make it investable. As CEO of Rebalance Earth, he’s building the UK’s first natural capital…
Second NatureE159 Giles Bristow: The Water Crisis Was Engineered
What does real leadership look like when the country’s rivers are polluted, the public is angry, and the system feels stuck? Giles Bristow, CEO of Surfers…
Second NatureE158 Mark Clayton: Is Your Bank Funding Extinction?
Most banks talk about values. Very few are willing to let those values shape decisions. Mark Clayton, CEO of Triodos Bank UK, leads a bank that treats impact…
Second NatureE157 Elena Doms: Is Europe Running Out of Time?
Why expand into Europe now — and why Elena Doms? This conversation marks a defining moment for Oxygen Conservation as it steps into Europe, with Elena Doms…
Second NatureE156 Rowan Martin: This Isn’t for Everyone
What does elite talent really look like in conservation — and why do most hiring systems miss it completely? Rowan Martin is a walking contradiction to the…
Second NatureE155 Ben Gascoigne: Can Anyone Lead Britain Now?
British politics has a problem — and it isn’t policy. It’s belief. Ben Gascoigne has lived at the heart of the machine. From Downing Street to the House of…
Second NatureE154 Tom Bradshaw: Who Is Killing British Farming?
Britain’s food system looks calm on the surface. Underneath, it’s under strain. Tom Bradshaw, President of the NFU, sits down with Rich Stockdale for a raw…
Second NatureE153 Alok Sama: Escaping the Trap
Alok Sama has lived where most people only speculate. Inside Morgan Stanley. Inside SoftBank. Inside the long, lonely thinking of Masayoshi Son. Rich and Alok…
Second NatureE152 Ed Mansel Lewis: The Price of Taste
English wine didn’t evolve — it accelerated. And now it’s facing the consequences. Ed Mansel-Lewis, Head of Viticulture at Knight Frank, joins Rich Stockdale…
Second NatureE151 Nye Gordon: The New Power Line
Nye Gordon, Director at Guidehouse, joins Rich Stockdale PhD for a conversation that moves fast — from politics to engineering, from nature markets to climate…
Second NatureE150 Tom Sobey: Redefining Coffee Culture
Tom Sobey built Origin Coffee long before specialty coffee became a trend — and long before the industry understood what “quality” actually meant. ☕️ This…
Second NatureE149 Tasmin Chilcott: The Future of Outdoor Gear
Dryrobe didn’t just invent a product — they created a culture. In this episode, Rich sits down with Tasmin Chilcott, the unstoppable force behind Dryrobe’s…
Second NatureE148 David Hill: The Architect of BNG
What happens when an ecologist stops waiting for government — and builds the system himself? Professor David Hill CBE, founder of Environment Bank and the…
Second NatureE147 Neil Beamsley: The Biodiversity Builder
Neil Beamsley doesn’t just build homes — he builds habitats. As Group Head of Biodiversity at Bellway Homes, Neil is leading one of the UK’s biggest…
Second NatureE146 Don Macleod & Crawford Mackay: The Scotland Land Reform Bill
Scotland has just passed one of the most controversial pieces of land legislation in modern history — and we brought the experts into the Shoot Room for our…
Second NatureE145 Joe Stanley: How Farmers Can Actually Save the Planet
Joe Stanley has spent his life on the land, but this conversation isn’t about nostalgia. It’s about the brutal, beautiful, and misunderstood reality of modern…
Second NatureE144 Molly Biddell: The Wild Blueprint
They called Knepp reckless. Now it’s the blueprint for Britain’s environmental future. Molly Biddell, Head of Natural Capital at Knepp, joins Rich Stockdale…
Second NatureE143 Richard Peers: The Next Operating System
What if the future of tech wasn’t about faster chips — but deeper values? Richard Peers, founder of Responsible Risk and former Microsoft and Accenture leader…
Second NatureE142 David Marquet: The Leadership Mutiny
What if the best leaders stopped giving orders altogether? David Marquet — former US Navy submarine commander and author of Turn the Ship Around! — took…