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From Brazil to Texas: Law School Clinics, AI, and Why "Insanity" is Bad Marketing · Legal Late Night

• Jared Correia (00:00:00): Hello everybody. We've got a show that promises to be at least mildly interesting for your listening and watching enjoyment. I'm your host, Jared Crea. I'm the CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting. From my monologue, I'm talking about some marketing strategies you should be considering for 2026. In the interview, it's Leticia Leal of the University of Houston Law Center. We're definitely not going to talk about how Houston B. Duke in the final four last year, but we will discuss law school clinics at length. In the counter program, I've asked Leticia to help me learn Portuguese. Now, let's talk over your next set of law firm marketing initiatives. (00:00:45): Marketing changed a lot in 2025, even if you didn't notice. A lot of that was based on AI and how it's infiltrated search. It's infiltrated the search engines themselves. Google and Microsoft both allow for AI searching in search results at this point in time. You can just tab over to the AI version of the search. There are AI-based search engines like Perplexity, and a lot of people are just going to generate AI softwares to search. What does that mean for you as a lawyer? Well, people are starting to search for service providers in this way. I know that over the last half of this year, a lot of the new clients from my consulting business have found me on AI and have specifically mentioned that when we talked. And from talking to a lot of law firms, I know that this is happening a lot more regularly with law firms as well. (00:01:39): So this is something you got to be aware of. This new AEO or whatever the term of art is right now that people are calling it, AI search optimization. What does that mean? (00:01:50): One thing to be aware of that it means is that content marketing is maybe more important than ever before, because that's a great way to get into organic search results for both traditional search engines and also AI based search using generative tools. So if you have not focused on content marketing in your practice, I would get that rolling. I would start with a content calendar and just start with one type of content. It could be a podcast, could be a video series, could be whatever you want. Just get something out there consistently on topics relevant to your practice area. And you're far more likely to rank not only a traditional search, which is also optimizing content and focusing on quality content, as well as the search engines that have been infiltrated, as I mentioned, with AI and will probably become AI based search engines in the very near future, maybe in this year. (00:02:53): One piece of content marketing, if you're going to start doing it that I think you should focus on is videos. Video is becoming really important. If you just follow along the track and realize that people have shorter and shorter attention spans every year, short form video is where kind of the future of content is going. So you want to be thinking about things, yes, like TikTok and Instagram, which have video platforms. And TikTok has been a little bit up and down. So it's a little bit of steam. This month it's legal. This month, it's not illegal. Next month it's part of another Trump crypto grab. Who the hell knows? YouTube, however, is pretty stable. So YouTube is a really great place to be for video publication. Set up a YouTube channel, start publishing. YouTube is the second largest search engine in the world, owned by the first largest search engine in the world, Google. (00:03:52): So you're doing pretty well in search results if you start posting videos. So long form videos, short form videos, do both, and the short form videos perform particularly well. So maybe my friend Chad Sands was telling me that last year was the year of video, but maybe by the time people catch on, 2027, 2028 will be the year of video, but be an early adopter for once as an attorney. The next thing I'd be looking at after focused on content marketing or refocusing on content marketing and video production would be alternative ad platforms. Most law firms, they'll do Google Ads and they'll stop right there if they pay for advertising. More on that in a second. Some will do bank advertising, which makes sense because while there are fewer people on that platform, that also means the ads are cheaper and it's not like nobody's there. (00:04:47): I'm talking about lesser utilized platforms. So firstly, like social media programs, like you can advertise on LinkedIn, you can advertise on Facebook. The majority of law firms don't. And also channels that you wouldn't even think of or that are not traditionally recognized by law firm marketers. So Reddit, placing Reddit ads, Twitch, gaming site, and placing ads there as well. This also potentially gets you into a younger client base. Now I'll say this and not everybody will do it, but if you're one of the people who are at least considering it and diversifying your marketing plan, that could have large effects for you down the road. One of the big challenges of marketing right now is people ask me all the time like, "Well, I want to get into social media like you did, but I get into social media very early like Twitter and 08, all these other platforms started podcasting in 2009." So you want to be in a position where you can acquire positions on those platforms, but better, as far as I'm concerned, to try other platforms to figure out which the next up and coming ones are going to be. (00:05:54): Like you want to be ahead of the curve, not always behind it. (00:05:59): So as I mentioned before, most law firms don't pay a lot of money for advertising. In fact, they allocate a very small percentage of their revenue to paid advertising, non-personal injury law firm division. They usually pay a lot of money. So if you are looking at a change in strategy for 2026, one thing you could do is consider ramping up that spend and also doing paid online advertising, especially if all you're currently doing is networking for referrals, which a lot of law firms are doing. And you don't have to spend a ton of money. The idea is to spend some money and then build up over the course of time. You want to pay for online advertising and then have that number continually bump up, especially if we're talking about SEO. So start with a budget, test some things out, see where it goes, maybe try some of those alternative platforms, then you got to measure it. (00:06:56): And if you look and you're spending 0% or less than 5% of your budget on paid advertising, bump that number up a little bit. It's not hard to move from zero to something else. Lastly, if you're going to engage in a paid advertising campaign of any kind, and if you're eventually going to hire a digital marketing agency, if you don't have one already, you're definitely going to need to set up a CRM. I'm still surprised at how few law firms have adopted CRMs. I mean, it's gotten better, don't get me wrong, but it's still a relatively small percentage of lawyers who have this tool. So if you don't have one or if you don't know what it is, you need a customer relationship management software, which is basically a lead intake and management software. You're going to need that to track your leads and your conversions and to continue to revise your marketing program over time because you want to see whether or not what you're doing is effective. (00:07:51): Essentially, you're going to want to be figuring out what's the return on investment for this money I'm outlaying. And then if it's not working the way I want it to, how do I change my strategy? You won't know that unless you have a way to track it. (00:08:03): They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That's been attributed to Albert Einstein, but the earliest use of that phrase was actually in the 1980s. In any event, it's a smart idea for lawyers to look at new marketing strategies every year so that you can try to stay ahead of your competition and diversifying your efforts makes a lot of sense, especially if all you've done traditionally is referral based networking or have only dipped your toe into paid advertising. You know what else is smart? Sticking around to listen to our next segment with Leticia Leal from the University of Houston Law Center. We discuss law school clinics, AI, and law students, Brazilian attorneys, and much, much more. Hang in there with us next. Well, I've effectively run out of things to say, which is awkward because this is a podcast. (00:09:03): So I'm just going to eat some of those little Debbie individually wrapped Christmas tree cakes. And yes, I said some, meaning many more than one. Those are amazing. All right. I'll hold off a little longer on that. And while I try to get through this segment using only my stored carbs, let's introduce our guest. It's Leticia Leal, the staff attorney/clinical supervisor at the University of Houston Law Center. Go cougars, right? Did I do that right? Leticia Leal (00:09:33): Yes. And we have a sign that I always can't do it. Jared Correia (00:09:37): Oh, you did the University of Texas at Austin sign. They're not going to like that. Leticia Leal (00:09:42): So oh my God, the dean will kill me if I don't do this right. Jared Correia (00:09:46): We'll cut that out. This one. Whatever. This one? The three like this. Leticia Leal (00:09:51): Yes, I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Jared Correia (00:09:54): Okay. Is that supposed to be representative of Cougar in some fashion? Do they have like three claws? Leticia Leal (00:10:00): I should know that, but I have no idea. I know. This is something that we don't have in Brazil, those things. No Jared Correia (00:10:07): Cougars in Brazil? Leticia Leal (00:10:08): Yeah. No, we have cougars in Brazil. I mean- You do. Those signs and ... Yes. It's called Pontera, I guess. Jared Correia (00:10:17): Oh, like Panther. Okay. Yeah. I got you. Well, welcome. Thank you. How are you? Leticia Leal (00:10:25): Thank you for having me. I'm doing good. Good. Perfect. Jared Correia (00:10:29): So you're from Brazil? Yes. When I have people on, I like them to walk me through why they became a lawyer, because that seems like a horrible choice to me. But seriously, you did it twice, right? You became a lawyer in Brazil. And then you also became a lawyer in Texas. So what made you want to be a lawyer? What was it about the profession that drew you to it? Leticia Leal (00:10:52): Well, I'm going to say that I know it's bad, but it's true. In the beginning it was true. No, not at all. But I was just like a girl that wanted to help people. It's true. Jared Correia (00:11:05): That's like everybody who wanted to be a lawyer. I just want to help. And has it turned out to be that way now that you are an active attorney? That's good. So you did it. You were successful. Leticia Leal (00:11:17): I did it. So now I don't have to do anything else. I'm going to retire and move on with my life. Jared Correia (00:11:25): Now you practice in Brazil as well as the United States, right? Leticia Leal (00:11:29): Yes, for a little bit. Jared Correia (00:11:31): What do you think the differences are in terms of the legal systems in both countries? Leticia Leal (00:11:38): Oh, I think in Brazil it's easier in a way. Jared Correia (00:11:43): Really? Okay. Leticia Leal (00:11:44): Yes, because you have the law, right? Books. We have the books, statues, and you can just read that and then yay, fund is all there. And then you come here and then you have to read the case law also that never ends and you have to know the new ones. And it's just like you have to find the new ones. The research is just crazy to me. Even now, it's crazy to me. I have to tell these students, "Hey, go find stuff." And it's just ridiculously hard to me. Jared Correia (00:12:22): So let me ask you, because treat me like I'm a five-year-old child who knows nothing because I know nothing about Brazilian law. Do the cases not matter in terms of interpretation of the law or are there just fewer cases? Leticia Leal (00:12:36): No, no. They do not matter here. We don't follow them because the cases follow the law. They don't make new law. Jared Correia (00:12:48): Oh, gotcha. Leticia Leal (00:12:48): That difference. Jared Correia (00:12:49): Precedence per se like there are needed Leticia Leal (00:12:51): Cases. Exactly. Exactly. They just have to follow the law, the statutes, right? And then the judge will exactly do that. He's not going to make new law simplest as that. Oh, Jared Correia (00:13:06): That's interesting. Leticia Leal (00:13:06): So that's why it's so easy. So the only thing you have to do is to get the law and then try to explain to the judge what you want from that law in your way. So you have ways of doing your way of explaining stuff, but at the same time, you don't have to go look for things that are new all the time and case law that is just ... I think lawyers spend the majority of the time that we spent here is doing research Jared Correia (00:13:41): Going Leticia Leal (00:13:41): After cases. It's like crazy. And we don't have to do that exactly there. We just go after the statutes and then you have people that are creative in a way of looking at that law that we have to do. And that's why I love it. So I like this more than here. I can say that. Jared Correia (00:14:03): Okay. I want to come back to the research thing in a second, but before we do that, I just want to tie this part of it up, which is, so you come to the US, you take a role as a clinical professor, effectively, working in the legal clinic at U of H, why did you decide to do that? Was that more of like, "Oh, this is a great way for me to directly help people, " or was there some other reason that you decided to get into the clinical programs? Leticia Leal (00:14:31): Well, that's a great question. Well, of course, when I look at the professors that were doing this, that I'm doing now, I always admire them because I think it's a great job to have. You are an attorney practicing and at the same time, you have the students that you can teach. And I always love that part too. I was a teacher for many years also before, not school teacher, personal trainer, but it's kind of the same thing because you have to repeat yourself, and I love that. Yeah. You repeat, repeat, repeat, and I love that. Jared Correia (00:15:14): I hate repeating myself. I'm glad someone does. Leticia Leal (00:15:18): No, I get it. And that's what I'm saying. This job is not for anyone, right? You need to look at them and kind of repeat the things over and over again and like your job. So I always look at them like, "This is fun, but I thought I could never get this job. I thought this job has to be someone good, important, and someone that knows what they're doing." And I thought, "That's not me. Jared Correia (00:15:46): " Now you didn't say any of that in the interview, right? Leticia Leal (00:15:50): Well, Jared Correia (00:15:51): I didn't apply- Do you want someone who knows what they're doing? Leticia Leal (00:15:53): Exactly. That's not me. Kind of. So actually I was here helping them to speak Spanish and some of the cases and I speak Spanish also. And then this guy that was my other boss here, he was the one that kind of offered me the job. And he said, "Of course, you have to go and apply." And then I applied. There were other people, but then they ended up hiring me. So it was like they came after me in a way. Jared Correia (00:16:30): They saw you out. Leticia Leal (00:16:30): And that's how. But I don't think I would have applied on my own because I didn't think I could, right? Because I mean, English, have to speak English really well and you can see that I have a kind of accent sometimes and then other things that you think and maybe not, but actually I'm really good with the students. That I can say. Yeah, that's fine. I'm not good in other things, but I'm really good with the students. Jared Correia (00:16:59): Well, I mean, connecting with the students is the most important part of the job, I would think. Leticia Leal (00:17:03): Yes, I think so. I mean, now I think like that, but in the beginning I did. In the beginning, I thought the most important thing would be to know a lot of the law and things like that. But actually this is important, but the connection with the students is really important. And that's one thing that I'm good at. Jared Correia (00:17:21): So it seems like you like it because you've been there for a little while, so it's been a good gig for you. They kind of singled you out, got you into the role, but then you actually liked it and you settled in. Leticia Leal (00:17:34): Yes. In the beginning, I was supposed to stay actually for a year because we work with grants, right? And then we received this grant to do for a year and then they renew two years. And then when it was about the time for me to leave, because I was working in the civil clinic before, which is the kind of law that I like, that I like kind of a little bit more than immigration. Jared Correia (00:18:02): Okay. So you're doing a lot of immigration work right now. Leticia Leal (00:18:05): Now, yes. Jared Correia (00:18:05): That's all right. You say whatever you want on this show. So you've moved over into the immigration, but you were doing civil previously? Leticia Leal (00:18:12): Yes. Land Lord and tenant and other things, which was fun. I think I like more the going to court every day. I think it's fun. I love the adrenaline and being scared of the judges. I love that part. I mean, I still like that part. I think when I'm older and older, I may not. And so I love that. But then I came to immigration and that's why I'm still here, but I was supposed to stay in immigration for two years. So now I am an immigration clinic for two years and a half. So it's coming my time. It's coming, but they don't let me go. They Jared Correia (00:18:49): Don't let me go. Leticia Leal (00:18:50): They'll Jared Correia (00:18:51): Find something else for you to do. I would imagine that you've got a lot of work in the immigration clinic right now. Leticia Leal (00:18:57): Yes. Yes. We have a lot of work. And I think the worst thing right now is the fact that every single day I have to go watch the news or something new every single day. So besides the fact that we are already speaking about that, that we need to do research and da, da, da, da, da, there is already a lot. Now I need to know every single day what's going on. So I've been like super busy. This year, I haven't watched one Netflix series. Jared Correia (00:19:28): Oh, no. Leticia Leal (00:19:29): None. Jared Correia (00:19:30): One tragedy. No TV. Not even Stranger Things? Leticia Leal (00:19:34): Nothing. Nothing. That's ridiculous. Every single time of my day, or I'm watching news or doing my videos on LinkedIn and stuff like that that I chose, but stuff like that. Jared Correia (00:19:49): All right. Let's veer into that space. Okay. So one thing I wanted to ask, because I think I saw this on your LinkedIn profile. Is it you're a dance instructor at U of H as well? Yes. And you started doing that relatively recently, is that right? Leticia Leal (00:20:01): I mean, yeah, I am a dance teacher for many, many years. This is the thing that I know what to do. I know how to do this. The rest attorney is like, eh, more or less. Jared Correia (00:20:17): How does one have a specialty as a dance teacher? Is there a certain type of dance and how many classes do you take on? What's that been like? It's great that you're doing something else other than law practice. You're not watching Netflix, but you have found time to be a dance instructor. Leticia Leal (00:20:34): Yes. I have been a dance instructor for many, many years. I'm not going to say the amount of years because then- Jared Correia (00:20:40): Sorry to interrupt. You don't want people doing math. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Exactly. Leticia Leal (00:20:46): But my class here, they chose the name, right? Because before my class was called Mixed Dance, which I teach all rhythms. It's not Zumba. I don't teach Zumba because people always think you teach Zumba. No, I don't teach Zumba. My class- I don't Jared Correia (00:21:05): Know what any of this means, so please continue. Leticia Leal (00:21:10): I teach all rhythms. Jared Correia (00:21:12): Okay. Leticia Leal (00:21:13): All rhythms. I don't know. Maybe there's something that I don't teach, but usually the students from all over the world that we have here, they come to me and they say, "I love this song." So I will get the song, take home, make the choreography, and then bring Jared Correia (00:21:29): It back. Oh, Leticia Leal (00:21:30): That's cool. So I teach lots of rhythms. So this class here is new, but I have been teaching all these years. I teach on Zoom as well. So yeah, it's fun. Jared Correia (00:21:42): Oh, you teach on Zoom too? Leticia Leal (00:21:43): Yeah, yeah. For many, many years, I teach resistance training on Zoom and I teach my dance class every day. Jared Correia (00:21:52): I'm a terrible dancer. Leticia Leal (00:21:54): I can't believe that because you have jeans. Jared Correia (00:21:57): Is it the Portuguese genes that Leticia Leal (00:22:00): Should Jared Correia (00:22:00): Cause me to be a good dancer? Leticia Leal (00:22:01): They all dance really well. They Jared Correia (00:22:03): Don't give a shot. Really? Leticia Leal (00:22:04): Yeah. You should try. You should actually come here to do something and film and put on Jared Correia (00:22:12): Your- Take a dance class of yours. Leticia Leal (00:22:14): I think we should. That would be fun. Jared Correia (00:22:15): Attorney Leticia Leal (00:22:16): Dance. I Jared Correia (00:22:16): Think Evan would like that very much if I did. Leticia Leal (00:22:19): I think so. If Jared Correia (00:22:19): I did a dance class. All right. The next time I'm in Texas. I think it'll be fun. Yeah, let's do it. We'll do it. Leticia Leal (00:22:26): Let's let some salsa, samba, let me think. Jared Correia (00:22:30): Okay. Leticia Leal (00:22:32): Yeah. Jared Correia (00:22:33): Whatever you like. I'll send a song I like and we can do a choreography thing. Leticia Leal (00:22:38): Yes. It'll be great. And then I can teach you the choreography. Jared Correia (00:22:40): Exactly. We got to make people pay for that content though. Now you mentioned the LinkedIn thing. We've actually never met before. This is the first time we're speaking, but I thought you were doing some really interesting stuff from your LinkedIn because you were doing some of these long form videos, you're using images more aggressively than most people do. I think a lot of attorneys especially, they like to lean on the text. They don't like to be out there. So how is that going for you and why did you decide to be like, okay, I'll put myself out on LinkedIn more than the average attorney would, because it's relatively unique and good. Leticia Leal (00:23:17): Yeah, I think so. That's what a lot of the people have been telling me. Jared Correia (00:23:22): Yeah. Leticia Leal (00:23:22): Well, to tell you the truth, I started on LinkedIn a year and a half ago only. Before that, I didn't have any social media, believe it or not. Jared Correia (00:23:34): Really? Of any kind? Leticia Leal (00:23:34): I was against it. No, nothing. Nothing. Jared Correia (00:23:37): Oh, wow. Leticia Leal (00:23:38): No, nothing. I never had Facebook or anything like that. And then a year and a half ago, what happened was when I entered here five years ago, I started to say, "Hey guys, we need to have social media." Even though I didn't want to have for myself, I wanted the clinic to have. Jared Correia (00:23:55): Oh, you're telling about the people at the clinic. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. You have to keep going. Leticia Leal (00:23:58): I wanted the clinic to have one so we could give legal advice, small legal advice, like one minute videos and things like that. That was my idea. I'm always full of ideas and everybody looks at me like, "Oh, there she comes again." All your ideas. And what I hear a lot is like, I hear that all the time. It's like, "Oh my God, all your ideas just bring work for everyone." So I'm like, kind of true, sorry. So I try to sush more now, but in the beginning it was like this and this and that. And I would go talk to the boss. Oh no, you keep Jared Correia (00:24:30): Telling people about your ideas. Leticia Leal (00:24:32): But always my ideas bring work for other people too, not only me. So sorry. Jared Correia (00:24:38): Well, Leticia Leal (00:24:39): You're doing Jared Correia (00:24:39): Your own stuff, but then has the clinic started doing stuff as Leticia Leal (00:24:43): Well? Okay. So that was what happened was like five years ago I started saying that annoying people and then nobody listened to me like, "Oh no, we're not going to do that because a lot of work because the university has to ask for this and that authorization." It's not that easy because to me it's like, let's do it, but then no, you have to ask for this for that. So it was no, and I was busy anyway. So like, okay, fine. And then when I started at the immigration clinic, and then I asked again to my new boss, "Let's do it. " And then she was like, again, that we're just going to, "Oh no, not now. Maybe that's going to take forever." So I decided to like, okay, no, I needed to do something because the students need that. I needed to take the, for example, if we're doing this, I needed to put on LinkedIn at least so other attorneys can see them and hire them. (00:25:32): That was the initial idea for firms to see our students, how amazed they are and hire them. That was the initial idea. So that's how I Jared Correia (00:25:41): Started- Which is a great idea, frankly. And so you took it upon yourself, you were like, "I'm going to do this on my profile and show what's happening at the clinic." Yeah, that's great. Good for you. Leticia Leal (00:25:51): Even though I was not comfortable with that because again, I never had one and I was like, "No, I'm not a social media person." And now it's so funny that everywhere that I go, people come to me, Jared Correia (00:26:02): "Are you just from LinkedIn?" You are a social media person now. Leticia Leal (00:26:08): It's hilarious. In the office here, we have something that they say that any event that we go, we can wait five minutes until someone comes to us or to her and say, "Can you take a picture with you? I really tease it from LinkedIn." And it happens every time. It's hilarious. You're internet famous. Because me. Yeah. And it's hilarious because I didn't want any of that before. But then I started like this and then I started working and then I started doing other things as well because I love history. So I'm like, "Oh, let me talk about this. " And then I started adding things and I always been someone that with these students before, right? I was a personal trainer for many years as well, this teacher. So I'm always teaching people how to keep motivated. I've been always like that. Since I was very young, I used to have ... We didn't have social media at my time until 1900s. (00:27:08): It was a good time. I used to have a paper that I used to give every month to the students with things like to help them, motivate them, phrases. So then I'm like, "I'm going to do that again." So I started with the series that I have on LinkedIn for that motivation and then I have others and then I kept having these ideas. As I told you, I have many, many ideas. Nobody wanted my ideas. So now I did that. Let me do my own ideas on my LinkedIn. Yeah. I mean, it's Jared Correia (00:27:42): Working. I think you do a great job on LinkedIn. People should check out your profile for sure. Leticia Leal (00:27:47): Thank you. Yeah. LinkedIn, don't check me out. Jared Correia (00:27:51): So I think you're also, if I am reading this correctly, you're also the president of the National Brazilian Bar Association. Do I have that right? Leticia Leal (00:28:01): Yes. So that, I have that for a year. I opened this, but in the beginning we were- Jared Correia (00:28:07): Wait, you started the Bar Association? Leticia Leal (00:28:09): Yeah, I started the Bar Association. Jared Correia (00:28:10): Oh, good for you. Leticia Leal (00:28:11): Yes. Jared Correia (00:28:12): Another idea. Brought to fruition, am I Leticia Leal (00:28:15): Saying? I'm telling you. Yeah. So I had an attorney that was going to do the, what's the name in English? A company that has, that we don't- Jared Correia (00:28:30): Nonprofit? Leticia Leal (00:28:31): We get them ... Yes, nonprofit. Yes. The nonprofit, this guy was ... I told you this is going to ... That's really funny. Jared Correia (00:28:40): You're doing great. Leticia Leal (00:28:44): You see how I explain and you're like, yes, I got it. Oh Jared Correia (00:28:47): Yeah, that's right on it. Leticia Leal (00:28:49): I like people like you that can catch what is in this brain that is not working properly, Jared Correia (00:28:54): Lately. So you got your National Brazilian Bar Association. Leticia Leal (00:28:58): It's a Jared Correia (00:28:58): Nonprofit. And then you're the president. Yes. Okay. Leticia Leal (00:29:01): I am. So this guy was going to do the nonprofit a year ago, but then he got sick and then he didn't do it. That's fine. (00:29:07): So then now I have already the applications open. People can go check it out and they can start filling out the form. I just did that a week ago. We have the form finally, everything. And in the beginning, for maybe one or two years, I'm not going to charge anything. The only thing that I want is to get to know how many Brazilians we have here, how many attorney Brazilians that are from there and want to come to the US or are here already studying students, Brazilians and everyone that loves Brazil that wants to be on the organization. So that's my two year goal. Jared Correia (00:29:48): So you're looking for Brazilian attorneys, both in the United States and in Brazil, you're looking for Brazilian law students or LLMs. Imagine LLMs. Okay. Go ahead. Give me the pitch. If people want to sign up, if people want to contact you about that, how would they do that? How do they get access to the form? Leticia Leal (00:30:13): So I open a LinkedIn account Jared Correia (00:30:17): That I Leticia Leal (00:30:17): Don't know if I did correctly, but it's there. So it's NA- You're Jared Correia (00:30:22): Going to find out. Leticia Leal (00:30:23): BBA. Exactly. We're going to find that out. No, actually I have other people that are in this group that I chosen as my directors as of now. And they are helping to start doing this. Yeah, we're just starting small, but I think in January 1st I'm going to do a post on my LinkedIn talking about the National Bar Association, Brazilian Bar Association to get them to do this. I didn't do that yet. I was just waiting the best time. I think now a lot of people are already checking out of LinkedIn. I noticed that. Oh, Jared Correia (00:31:07): For the holidays. Yeah. Yeah. Leticia Leal (00:31:08): Right. Jared Correia (00:31:10): But the news is when this episode comes out, it's going to be January. True. At least. It may even be February. So people go look. So Leticia Leal (00:31:19): Probably it's already there. Jared Correia (00:31:21): LinkedIn profile and sign up for the National Brazilian Bar Association. Leticia Leal (00:31:25): Thank you so much for that. Yes. My Jared Correia (00:31:27): Pleasure. Leticia Leal (00:31:28): I can't wait to find out how many people we have in the US. We have no idea. Jared Correia (00:31:34): Yeah. And it'll be great from a data perspective as well. All right. Let's shift back to the clinical stuff for a second because I wanted to talk to you a little bit about that. So not every law student does clinical programs when they're in law school. Why is it important for law students to at least think about doing that? Leticia Leal (00:31:52): That's a great question. So I don't know if you know that, but Brazil, we do five years law school. But it's not like here. Yeah. Five years law school. And it's like mandatory to do the clinics that we have there for two years. In the end you have to. Exactly. So I know a lot of people think that the clinic is kind of the same as have a job at a firm or something like that. And I'm going to say it's not. The clinic is completely different. And that's why every student should at least try to do one. Because here we give the cases to the student. It's like, it's yours. Go and do everything on this case. They will interview the clients. They will talk to them. They will actually, in the beginning, text the client, email the client and say, "We are your attorneys now." Right? (00:32:52): And they explain, of course, that there are students under me, but don't speak to her anymore, speak to us. And that's completely different. It's their case. When they do something on a firm and they have a job there, it's just like they do small stuff in each case, right? Tasks, which is completely ... It's nice too. (00:33:12): Hopefully they can do both, but the clinic I think is completely different. And doesn't matter which clinic you do, you can do immigration clinic, civic clinic. It doesn't matter. You will learn several different skills that you can use in other areas that you can do later. So I think this is essential. They learn here so many things. I think the most important thing that I see them right in the beginning is like when they arrive here, they're super scared of talking to clients even, right? Because they never did. And then we just give it to them, the clients, and they have to email them and go. And they're super nervous on the first day that they have to interview the client. Usually on the first interview, I am there, but just sitting to watch, which I love to do. I don't like to do. I wish they would be alone, but that's the way it should be here. (00:34:04): And yeah, me and my ideas. Yay. Jared Correia (00:34:09): You could just sit there and think of new ideas. Leticia Leal (00:34:13): Exactly. Exactly. And then be working. Yeah. No, I try not to even look at them because I feel like when they are alone, they do completely different when I'm there. They do much better. But okay, after this first interview, they are completely alone. And the changes on the students, and I always say that. I'm still working here, even though I don't make a lot of money as you probably know. Jared Correia (00:34:41): Get this lady raised. Leticia Leal (00:34:47): Because I love, you know what I love the most is to see them in the beginning of the semester and then in the end, the change in the students is like so clear. Jared Correia (00:34:59): Yeah. Leticia Leal (00:34:59): They become this individual and then it's like jump to this in like months. Jared Correia (00:35:06): Yep. Leticia Leal (00:35:07): So I think all students should do a clinic. And another thing, I started my LinkedIn, which is so funny that I have ... It's so hard for me to say LinkedIn. Am I saying right? Yeah. Jared Correia (00:35:20): Tell me Leticia Leal (00:35:20): Again. Jared Correia (00:35:21): LinkedIn. Yeah, LinkedIn. Leticia Leal (00:35:21): LinkedIn. Jared Correia (00:35:22): You're saying it right. Leticia Leal (00:35:23): Because it took me a year. You have to work on that one. LinkedIn. LinkedIn. And they're like, what? And I'm like, I am a LinkedIn.That's technically correct also. No, but nobody would understand me. So I had a hard time. Now I'm making such an effort to say LinkedIn. Jared Correia (00:35:41): Anyway. It sounds good. Maybe you're saying it better than everyone else. Leticia Leal (00:35:48): I don't think so. But anyway, same thing when I say Costco. Costco. Everybody. Nobody else. Oh, Costco. Costco. You see? I told you. Jared Correia (00:36:02): I thought you said Costal for a second. Leticia Leal (00:36:04): Okay. Okay. Say it again.That's Jared Correia (00:36:06): An important word. Costco. Leticia Leal (00:36:07): Say it exactly. Costco. Costco. Oh, Jared Correia (00:36:10): That was good. That was good. That was Leticia Leal (00:36:12): Good. Costco. Jared Correia (00:36:12): That was Leticia Leal (00:36:13): Perfect. Why we don't say the T. Costco. Jared Correia (00:36:16): That's a good question. I don't know why. So Leticia Leal (00:36:17): Anyway, I can never remember how to say this right. So nobody can understand me. I say, I went to Costco and they're like, "What?" Jared Correia (00:36:26): It's close. It's close. You had it before. You're getting there. You're getting there. I lost track of the conversation. No. So we were talking about the clinical stuff. Yeah, keep going. And then I wanted to ask you some more questions about the clinics. Leticia Leal (00:36:39): Yes. I was just saying that actually on LinkedIn, look at LinkedIn. Jared Correia (00:36:43): Very nice. Very nice. Leticia Leal (00:36:45): In the beginning, a reason why I started as well was because for some reason I was talking to the one else on events and stuff. And then I would say, "Yeah, I work at the clinic." And they would be like, "Oh, clinic. What's clinic?" And then I would say, so the amount of students, there were one else that never heard about clinics. It was like, "How is this possible?" And then I was telling people and they were like, "Yeah, that's the way it is. " I'm like, "No, we're going to change that. " So then I started LinkedIn and I started just saying our amazing student at the clinic here, the clinic, we are here first floor with the roads. Jared Correia (00:37:26): I'm Leticia Leal (00:37:26): Kidding. We don't have roads in this building anymore. Okay. The ding, ding. This building is amazing. Thank you so much. It's because two years and a half ago, we were in this other building that had roaches in my office. Jared Correia (00:37:39): So hey, the clinic is roach free, everybody. Come on Leticia Leal (00:37:43): Down. Road free. Red free. Red free. Road free. Yes. Jared Correia (00:37:45): Oh, beautiful. Beautiful. What's better than that? All right. Let me ask you a little bit more about the roach free clinic. What about artificial intelligence? Are you guys using that in the clinic? Has that affected what you're doing positively, negatively? Give me your real thoughts on that. Leticia Leal (00:38:05): Well, okay. We have a professor here at the university that's called Seth Chandler. He's our expert in AI. Actually, you should do an interview with him because he's incredible. Yes, send Jared Correia (00:38:21): Him over. Leticia Leal (00:38:22): So he helps us. Yeah. He does meetings every month or so to help us with things like that and talk about how to do intakes and things like that using AI and da, da, da. So with these students, I ... Oh my God, I'm going to get so much trouble now. Jared Correia (00:38:44): No, this all sounds good so far. Let's cut this part Leticia Leal (00:38:48): From now. I tell them all the time to use it. Jared Correia (00:38:55): Okay. This is what I was going to ask you about. Are they for it? Do they not want to use it? I'm really interested to know. No, Leticia Leal (00:39:02): It's not that. I mean, sometimes they ... I mean, I don't know if they're using it or not, but I'm not that person that's going to tell them not to. (00:39:11): I actually tell them all the time to like, "Why don't you check this with AI or why don't you do this? " It's not like creating something to them. It's just helping them. So that's what I say. You can't just ignore those things. We have to know that they're going to do and expect that. And actually I tell them all the time that I'm using, "Oh, I'm going to do this, this is faster if I do this. " But it's like, I'm not going to tell you that we are in the front of everyone else. I don't think so. I think we are- Jared Correia (00:39:42): Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't have that expectation anyway. These are law students we're talking about. So I get that. Leticia Leal (00:39:48): Yes. But even in the clinic, I'm not going to tell you ... I mean, again, Seth is going to do a meeting with us soon, just us because he does these meetings for everyone else, but I ask him to see if he could do for us. And we're trying, but I'm not going to say that we are incredibly amazing in doing those things, but we are trying. That's Jared Correia (00:40:11): Interesting. I thought the students would be like ... Now, are the students asking to do it or are they just like, "We'll just do what we've traditionally done." Leticia Leal (00:40:18): I don't think they ask because usually I think they are scared of what we're going to say. So I think it's still something that is like, "Oh, we are hiding doing that. " And that's what I don't like. And that's why when they're here, I tell them, "You should try this with AI." And then they're looking at me like those big eyes like, "Huh, is she for real or she have a camera here?" Is this a trick? Yes. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, "Guys, no, that's okay. If you do this and that, it's fine." Of course you're not going to write a brief, say, "Write me a brief." No, you can write the brief and then you can put some stuff there to try to make it better or I mean, case law, you can't because it comes wrong a lot. So just try different things, right? Jared Correia (00:41:09): So are the students, are they using Lexus Westlaw and are they using the AI versions of those softwares and what do they think of those tools? Leticia Leal (00:41:23): Okay. So we have available, I think, everything now for them as well, free, right? The students, when they enter here, they have access to everything. I think we should have someone that will come to them and show them how to use those things instead of just expecting them to learn on their own. And that's something that I cannot do it, right? But I guess the librarians are the ones that help them with those things. And I'm not sure how we are doing on that. I can't give you like, "Oh yeah, we are doing that. " But I think the students are better on those things than some of us all these. I think- Well, you're Jared Correia (00:42:23): Encouraging them to use it. Now, do you use the AI tools yourself as you do your Leticia Leal (00:42:29): Work? I haven't. No. Jared Correia (00:42:31): Okay. Leticia Leal (00:42:31): Not on Westlaw and Lexus. So that's why I can't ... Jared Correia (00:42:36): Yeah. This is good intel. I would have thought that law school clinics, everybody would have been really aggressively using it just because the students are younger, but I'm a little bit surprised that there has been less usage Leticia Leal (00:42:50): Than I would have anticipated. I think immigration is very ... Now everything is kind of crazy. Jared Correia (00:42:56): Yeah. Leticia Leal (00:42:57): So there were a lot of things that happened this year, so it was exactly when we should be doing this, but this year was different to say the list. Very, very different. We had to cut some of the cases that we were doing, and so they were exactly those cases that need research. Jared Correia (00:43:18): Oh, I see. Leticia Leal (00:43:19): So your Jared Correia (00:43:19): Research demand went down a little bit. Leticia Leal (00:43:22): Yeah. For this year, exactly. And it was exactly when all those things started to go more in vogue. But I would say that maybe the other clinics are using more for sure Jared Correia (00:43:36): Than us. Okay. All right. One more question for you. How are your 3L students feeling about their job prospects in the current economy? Are people excited? Are they nervous? What's going down as far as that's concerned? Leticia Leal (00:43:52): I think in Houston we are still good. Jared Correia (00:43:57): Okay. Leticia Leal (00:43:59): What I see is almost, at least here at the University of Houston, this is something that is very important to our dean to make sure that everyone has a job when they leave. So our numbers, I can't say numbers right now because of course I never remember that, but I know our numbers are amazing in respect to every student that leaves us, has a job. Usually in the end, from all of our students, we have four that didn't get jobs. And it's always some reason like, oh, this girl is like expecting, so she doesn't want to get a job right now. Jared Correia (00:44:38): Yeah. They opt out on their Leticia Leal (00:44:39): Own. It's always a reason that it's not because they couldn't get a job. So we, here in Houston, I'm glad to say that. I don't think we have this problem. Everybody's getting a job. I get on LinkedIn alone, I get all the time. I guess the firms are more desperate than the students Jared Correia (00:45:00): Because Leticia Leal (00:45:01): I get more- I think Jared Correia (00:45:01): That's still true. Leticia Leal (00:45:02): Yeah. A lot of requests of people, "Hey, send me one of your students." They're desperate. They want to hire and sometimes we do not have the students actually. Jared Correia (00:45:13): Good time to be a law student. Leticia Leal (00:45:15): Okay. Yeah, I think so. I think it will always going to be, no matter if we have AI or whatever, I think I tell people a lot, and actually I was going to do a video for LinkedIn about this because someone sending me a message ask, "Is it worth it for me to do law that I'm older?" And I was going to say yes, always. I believe- Jared Correia (00:45:35): How interesting. Leticia Leal (00:45:36): In law. And I think even with AI and everything, we're always going to be needed and going to law school is such an amazing experience and it's not only to be a lawyer, you can be anything after you get Jared Correia (00:45:49): That- Very true. Leticia Leal (00:45:50): ... law degree. There's so many things that you can do. Anyone will want to hire you if you're a lawyer. Even if you don't do the bar exam, let's say you just are a JD without the bar, that's fine. It's an amazing accomplishment and you learn so much here. I know there's a lot of people talking bad about universities and stuff like that, but if it is a universe like ours, look at now. UVH that I don't know how to do the sign. Okay, but I have this. Look at this. Jared Correia (00:46:19): What is that. Oh, that's the U. There's the logo. Oh, Leticia Leal (00:46:23): Great. You see that? Well played. That's commitment. Okay? Jared Correia (00:46:28): What a positive way to end the segment. Well played. Well played. Leticia Leal (00:46:33): I know. So universes are important and mainly universities like us that are like, we give the students the tools and they can decide. We are not trying to get them to one side or the other side. We are just giving them knowledge and they can choose whatever they want to do. Jared Correia (00:46:54): Great. This was fun. Will you hang around for one more segment before we go? Yes. Now Leticia Leal (00:47:00): That you Jared Correia (00:47:00): Found your ears. Leticia Leal (00:47:01): I'm super scared, but I'm going to be here. Jared Correia (00:47:03): Don't be scared. It'll be fun. All right. We'll come right back. Welcome back everybody. Yes, here we are at the Counter Program. It's a podcast within a podcast. This is a conversational space where we can address usually unrelated topics that I want to explore at a greater depth with my guest. Expect no rhyme and very little reason. Leticia, welcome back. How you doing? Leticia Leal (00:47:30): Thank you. How are you? Jared Correia (00:47:33): I'm good. I told you not to be afraid. I want to do something that is right in your wheelhouse. I have a new segment. I'm Leticia Leal (00:47:41): Telling you, I'm like shaking right now. Jared Correia (00:47:44): I have a new segment. I'm calling it Duo Lingo. Why am I calling it that? Well, my daughter just got a subscription to Duolingo and she's using it all the time. Precisely because she wants to learn to speak Portuguese. And you talked about this before. Yeah. I'm Portuguese. Leticia Leal (00:48:01): How old is she? How old is she? Okay, perfect. Jared Correia (00:48:05): Yeah. Except she set it up using my email. So now I get all the emails from Duolingo, which are like, "You haven't taken your lesson today." I'm Portuguese, you're Portuguese. I don't know how to speak Portuguese to the great chagrin. No. My dad's almost under Portuguese. I never learned. Well, that's what I was doing. Let's learn. Leticia Leal (00:48:29): Yeah, with her. Jared Correia (00:48:31): How about that? No, let's learn right now. Leticia Leal (00:48:33): Okay. Jared Correia (00:48:34): You speak Portuguese, right? Leticia Leal (00:48:37): Not kidding. Yes, I do. That's the only language that I speak. The rest is just really bad. Jared Correia (00:48:43): You speak English? You said you speak Spanish. And I'm glad you said yes, you do speak Portuguese because if you hadn't, the whole segment would've collapsed. Leticia Leal (00:48:51): Imagine. Jared Correia (00:48:52): Right there. It would've been bad. So here's what I want to do. I would like to give you some common American English phrases and I'd like you to translate them into Portuguese. Teach me a little bit of Portuguese. Now, is there a difference between ... So my family's like mainland, Portugal, a little bit of the islands, like the Azores. Is there a difference in dialect between Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese? Different words? What is that? Talk to me about that first, and then we'll get into some phrases. Leticia Leal (00:49:29): There are a lot of different words that we say, but mainly is the way that we say, right? The accent is completely different. So sometimes even if I'm talking to Portuguese from Portugal, I'm going to be like, "Huh?" It's different. Jared Correia (00:49:47): It's that different, huh? Oh, wow. Leticia Leal (00:49:49): Okay. Jared Correia (00:49:50): Well, the good news is my son's best friend is Brazilian and they own a Brazilian bakery in our town. So I can now- Leticia Leal (00:50:00): Where are you? I don't know where are you. Jared Correia (00:50:02): I live in a place called Beverly, Massachusetts. Yeah, sure. I can say that. Leticia Leal (00:50:05): Oh, awesome. Jared Correia (00:50:06): Hopefully nobody comes and is outside the bushes of my Leticia Leal (00:50:09): Home. Try to murder you. Jared Correia (00:50:11): Let's hope not. But they have this got dark. They have a bakery locally. Leticia Leal (00:50:18): I know. I seem super happy and hey, but in the end, I have a dark humor. Jared Correia (00:50:23): Head on a Leticia Leal (00:50:23): Swivel. And I'm super dark. Jared Correia (00:50:26): Oh, good. Okay.That'll play well in this segment. Okay. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to relay some common English phrases and I would like you to give me the Portuguese translation. So if you're ready, I'll get started. Phrase number one. I would like to feed your fingertips to the wolververines. How would I say that in Brazilian Portuguese? Leticia Leal (00:50:51): Seriously? Say it again. I would like to feed- Jared Correia (00:50:55): Your fingertips. What? Leticia Leal (00:50:56): Your fingertips. Jared Correia (00:50:57): To the wolverines. Leticia Leal (00:51:00): Okay. Volverina, I think is the same. Jared Correia (00:51:16): Okay, good. That's what I was going to ask you. I didn't know if there was a different word for Wolverine. I Leticia Leal (00:51:19): Think it's the same name. Jared Correia (00:51:21): Now, okay, so you're probably like this man's lunatic, but did you know that that was the first ever Saturday Night Live skit with John Belushi was a skit where he was from another country and he was learning English and that was some of the phrases his English teacher was teaching him. Leticia Leal (00:51:40): Really? Yes. You see? I got it faster actually. I thought I was going to show- Jared Correia (00:51:45): That was really good. Leticia Leal (00:51:47): For five minutes. Jared Correia (00:51:50): Yeah. I was wondering if I should write it down or whatever, but you're doing really good. Okay. Leticia Leal (00:51:55): Now let's see if any Brazilians will come later and say, "Oh my God, that's completely wrong." Jared Correia (00:52:03): If you're listening, you're a Brazilian speaker, please write in. Yes, Leticia Leal (00:52:06): Please. All Jared Correia (00:52:06): Right. I got another one for you. As we talked about before, we are not releasing this before the Christmas holiday, but just to torture Evan, I came up with a common English phrase that is Christmas related. It is spoken by John McClain in the diehard movies. How would I say Yipikai motherfucker in Brazilian Portuguese? If I wanted to. Leticia Leal (00:52:42): I'm going to be fired here if I say that. Jared Correia (00:52:45): If there is no translation, you can just be like, "You're good to just say it that way." Leticia Leal (00:52:51): Okay. Repeat it again so I can. Say it again. Jared Correia (00:52:56): John McLean from the Die Hard Movies. Gippe Caie, motherfucker. Leticia Leal (00:53:00): I love those movies, but I watch them Portuguese. Really? Is Caye? Yes. I watch all of them in Portuguese, right? Jared Correia (00:53:09): Is Portuguese subtitles or actual Portuguese speakers? Leticia Leal (00:53:13): Portuguese, yeah. Which is annoying, but yeah, Jared Correia (00:53:16): Portuguese. Leticia Leal (00:53:18): So Jared Correia (00:53:18): They probably just say the same thing, right? The name Leticia Leal (00:53:20): Of the movie was different. No, no. Yeah. The name of the movie was I think, I don't know, something like that. But I would say, I can say the same thing in the first part and then motherfuckers you said. Jared Correia (00:53:36): Yes. Philuda Puta. Oh, great. Okay. Oh, good. So now I know how to say that in Brazilian. Leticia Leal (00:53:44): Portuguese. But you know what? Let's do that because that would be more fun if you repeat what I just said in Portuguese, because then you will learn. I'm a professor. Yeah, Jared Correia (00:53:54): Can you say it again? Okay. Can you say it again? Leticia Leal (00:53:57): Daputo. Jared Correia (00:53:58): Philu. Philo Laputa. Okay. How did I do? Okay, good. Good. See, I got that Portuguese blood coursing through my veins. Leticia Leal (00:54:06): Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's better than I thought. Let's do that. Jared Correia (00:54:10): All right. You ready for the next one? Leticia Leal (00:54:13): Am I ready? Jared Correia (00:54:14): Common English phrases. Maybe the dingo ate your baby. Maybe the dingo ate your baby. Yes. Leticia Leal (00:54:25): Okay. Dingo is something or is an Jared Correia (00:54:29): Animal- It's a wild dog. It's a wild dog. Leticia Leal (00:54:32): Okay. A wild Leticia Leal (00:54:33): One. Maybe the dingo HR baby. Jared Correia (00:54:37): Yes. Is Leticia Leal (00:54:38): That what you said? Jared Correia (00:54:39): Yes. Jared Correia (00:54:41): This is great. I'm really enjoying myself. Leticia Leal (00:54:47): Udingo, which I don't know which we have a translation for that. Come on. Use baby. Okay. So you say that. Jared Correia (00:54:55): That wasn't too bad. Okay. Sorry. Repeat it one more time. Leticia Leal (00:54:58): Tauvej. Jared Correia (00:55:00): Tauvegh. Ujingo. Udingo. Leticia Leal (00:55:02): Come on. Jared Correia (00:55:04): Come on. Leticia Leal (00:55:05): Use. Jared Correia (00:55:06): Useo. Baby. Babe. Not bad, right? Look at that. Not bad. I do know Spanish. So I have that going for me. Okay. Leticia Leal (00:55:17): So come on. If you know Spanish, you can learn our language. I Jared Correia (00:55:22): Know I can. Leticia Leal (00:55:23): Easily. Just start it. Jared Correia (00:55:24): Yes. Just start Leticia Leal (00:55:26): With your daughter. Jared Correia (00:55:28): That, by the way, is from a famous episode of Seinfeld, which is- Seinfeld. I love that. Elaine says that, which is based on a movie with Meryl Streep, where the baby was actually eating. Leticia Leal (00:55:40): Okay. So let me ask you something. Do you know all those things that you talk or you research before? Because it seems like when I was watching you before, it seems like you know everything about everything. And I'm like, oh my goodness. How do you know Jared Correia (00:55:56): All this? Leticia Leal (00:55:57): You're a genius of Jared Correia (00:55:58): Something.That part is true. Wow. No one's ever asked me that before. Genius. Leticia Leal (00:56:03): The genius Jared Correia (00:56:04): Parts. Clearly I am a genius, an evil genius. No, I look this stuff up before we get online, but I do have a photographic memory. So I do remember a lot of these things. Leticia Leal (00:56:19): I'm impressed. Jared Correia (00:56:20): I got a good memory for pop culture. Are you ready for the next one? Leticia Leal (00:56:25): I am. Jared Correia (00:56:26): This relates to our earlier conversation. (00:56:30): And the phrase is, I should tell people, before you came on the show, you were like, "How long is the episode going to be? " And you had presumed it would be a seven hour recording to which you were like, "I wear a diaper to prepare." And I think this is good advice for anyone who may want to come on the show, which got me thinking of the movie Boss Baby, where the Boss Baby says, "You know who wears diapers? Astronauts and NASCAR drivers."That's who. It's called Efficiency. Templeton. Yes. I love Boss Baby. It's a great movie. I love Boss Baby. So what if I was to ask you, how do I say in Brazilian Portuguese, you know who else wears diapers just in case it comes up in conversation. Leticia Leal (00:57:16): Exactly. It could, right? Say it again. Jared Correia (00:57:21): You know who else wears Leticia Leal (00:57:22): Diapers? Who else? Where is it? Okay. Vocesabi. Visa Jared Correia (00:57:30): Sabine. I'm just going to repeat along. Leticia Leal (00:57:33): Okay. Vocesabi. Jared Correia (00:57:38): That sounds like Wasabi, but it's ... Vusas Sabe, right? Okay. Okay. Leticia Leal (00:57:44): How Jared Correia (00:57:45): Did I do it? Leticia Leal (00:57:47): Yeah. Very good. Jared Correia (00:57:48): Kemaish. I like that. Leticia Leal (00:57:50): Muza? Jared Correia (00:57:53): Uza? Leticia Leal (00:57:54): Fraudesh. Jared Correia (00:57:57): Frodish. Am I doing it Leticia Leal (00:58:01): Too terribly? And you have already acted for the people that come from Rio de Janeiro. Have you been to Rio de Janeiro, by the way? Yeah? Jared Correia (00:58:10): Yeah. No, I have not. Leticia Leal (00:58:12): No? You have to. Come on. Let's go together, do an episode there. People Jared Correia (00:58:15): Will be like- Leticia Leal (00:58:16): Interviewing someone. Jared Correia (00:58:18): That'd Leticia Leal (00:58:18): Be great. Exactly. Jared Correia (00:58:19): I could do that. Leticia Leal (00:58:20): I think we should go interview some attorneys there. Jared Correia (00:58:24): You don't have to convince me. That sounds like fun. All right. I got two more for you. Oh yeah. February when it's cold. Up here. Yeah. Leticia Leal (00:58:33): Carnival. Jared Correia (00:58:34): I got two more for you. Oh, really? I don't know if I'm ready for carnival. Leticia Leal (00:58:38): Oh, you are. Jared Correia (00:58:40): Okay. Leticia Leal (00:58:40): You are in your nephew. You're going to have so much fun. Jared Correia (00:58:44): Okay. Leticia Leal (00:58:44): Let's go. I'm going. Jared Correia (00:58:47): That sounds ... You are. Okay. We'll have to come back. We'll have to have you back on to report back from Carnival. Let me give you two more. Jared Correia (00:58:56): Okay. Jared Correia (00:58:56): The next one is, life is like a box of chocolates. Jared Correia (00:59:01): You Jared Correia (00:59:01): Never know what you're going to get. Forest Gump. How could I quote Forest Gump when I'm down in Carnival in Rio de Janeiro? Leticia Leal (00:59:11): Forest Gump is the best. I was watching actually the other day. Jared Correia (00:59:15): Yeah, Forest Gump is a great movie. I've seen that movie hundreds of times. Leticia Leal (00:59:19): Yeah, me too. Jared Correia (00:59:20): The book is a little weird. If you've ever read the book. Leticia Leal (00:59:22): I never read the book. No. Jared Correia (00:59:24): The book is really weird. It's not like the movie at all. Leticia Leal (00:59:27): No, really. Jared Correia (00:59:28): One of the few cases where a movie is better than a book. Leticia Leal (00:59:33): Book is really strange. I didn't miss anything. So okay. Life is like a box of chocolate. You never know what you're going to get. Jared Correia (00:59:39): Yes. Leticia Leal (00:59:40): Okay. So Avida. Okay, let's do that. Why don't you try? Jared Correia (00:59:46): I'll repeat after you. Okay. Avida? I Leticia Leal (00:59:48): Want you to try without me. Jared Correia (00:59:50): Oh, okay. Well, let's see. Avida- Leticia Leal (00:59:53): Kind of Spanish. Jared Correia (00:59:54): Let me try it. Let me try. Avida, S-K ... I don't know how to say box. Leticia Leal (01:00:01): Kasha. Jared Correia (01:00:03): Kasha. Kasha. Kasha. Chocolate. Is Nuka in there? Leticia Leal (01:00:15): Nunka. Jared Correia (01:00:16): Nuka. I don't know how to say you're going to get. Lusted. Leticia Leal (01:00:25): You have to put the no before. You don't know what you're going to get. So what's announced? Sabi. Jared Correia (01:00:33): Sabi. Leticia Leal (01:00:34): Sabi. Jared Correia (01:00:35): Sabi. Sabir? Yes? Okay. Severe nose. Okay. I don't know how to say get. That's my Leticia Leal (01:00:47): Issue. Get would be Hesabi. Jared Correia (01:00:52): Jesub. Jesvier. Question mark. Good. I did it. Yeah. Good. Leticia Leal (01:00:59): You see? You don't need me. What am I doing here? This is Jared Correia (01:01:01): Great. Leticia Leal (01:01:02): Let me go. Jared Correia (01:01:02): I'll just take the last one on my own. I got one more for you. Just one.This is not from a movie or anything like that. I just want to be able to ask this if I ever go to Brazil myself, Leticia Leal (01:01:16): Which Jared Correia (01:01:17): Is the question. Leticia Leal (01:01:17): You will go. Don't say like that if I ever go. You are Jared Correia (01:01:20): Going. When I go to Brazil. Leticia Leal (01:01:23): Okay. Perfect. Jared Correia (01:01:26): Where might I be able to ride a copy barra like a small horse? Or simply, where can I ride a copy bar? Because that sounds delightful. They're very docile, I feel like. Leticia Leal (01:01:42): They are actually. Jared Correia (01:01:43): Yeah. They have Leticia Leal (01:01:44): Here on the Houston Zoo. They have now copy bars. Jared Correia (01:01:48): No, you can ride copy. There's a copy bar riding Leticia Leal (01:01:50): Zoo. No, no. You can't ride because that's like a crime against animals. Copy vara is this size and then we're going to put an adult on top of the copy vara. Jared Correia (01:01:59): Yeah, Leticia Leal (01:02:00): That's right. You're going to be canceled for that kid. Jared Correia (01:02:03): Can children ride copy bars? Child could do it. Leticia Leal (01:02:07): I mean, I don't think that's probably not a good idea, but copy vara. Say it to me. Copy vara. Jared Correia (01:02:14): Oh, that's easy. Copy vara. Take it. Perfect. Yeah. They're just Leticia Leal (01:02:18): Like- Jared Correia (01:02:19): Well, let's see. Maybe they look bigger on video than they are in real life. I've never actually been in the presence of a copy barra. I've only Leticia Leal (01:02:29): Seen them online. Presence of a copy var. Jared Correia (01:02:31): Yeah. That's the name of my next Leticia Leal (01:02:33): Album. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's a good idea, but how would you say that? Jared Correia (01:02:38): I have no idea. Copy vara. I know how that. I know how I would say that. Leticia Leal (01:02:42): No, I Jared Correia (01:02:42): Know. I don't know the word for ride Leticia Leal (01:02:43): Though. Ride the copy Jared Correia (01:02:45): Var.What is where? How do I say where? Dande? S, but I don't know how to say ride. Leticia Leal (01:02:51): We say Aunji. Yeah. Jared Correia (01:03:00): Aunge.. Posu? Leticia Leal (01:03:04): A is I. Right? A is important. Jared Correia (01:03:07): Okay. AU. I. Iongio. Leticia Leal (01:03:12): Is so much better. Yeah. It's Jared Correia (01:03:14): Practically like I'm Brazilian. Can you say Leticia Leal (01:03:17): It? Exactly. Perfect. Jared Correia (01:03:20): This is a lot of fun. Okay. That's good. I don't know if I'm going to try that one. That would be ugly. But thank you. I had a lot of fun. Thank you for coming on. Me too. I learned so much. Leticia Leal (01:03:40): Thank you so much. Yeah. Jared Correia (01:03:43): All right. Come back. Come back sometime. This was fun. We'll do it. Leticia Leal (01:03:46): Do you have any episodes that we can learn about you? Jared Correia (01:03:51): No. I want everything to be secret about me. I only like to learn about my guests. I'm a mysterious man and I'll keep it that way. Because I have a lot of questions. You know I'm Portuguese. You know where I live, generally speaking. Do you have any current ... Go ahead. You can ask me a question and then we'll finish Leticia Leal (01:04:13): It off. Oh yeah. I want to know. I know you were an attorney, practicing attorney before, right? And now you're not anymore. Yes. So what were you doing? How did you open your company? Why? All of that I want to know, but I couldn't find it. Oh, Jared Correia (01:04:29): Interesting. Okay. You know what? One of these shows coming up, I'm going to do a little biography of myself. Only 50% of it will be made up. Leticia Leal (01:04:41): So I should have lied then, and I didn't. I had the opportunity and I didn't. Jared Correia (01:04:45): Yeah. It's all right. It's all right. We'll have you back on. All right. Thank you for coming on. Take care. Thank Leticia Leal (01:04:50): You. Jared Correia (01:04:52): Thanks for our guest, Leticia Leal of the University of Houston Law Center. To learn more about Leticia Leal and U of H, visit law.uh.edu. That's law.uh.edu. Now, because I'll always be a '90s kid who still kicks ass at Wave Race 64, that's right. But whose true passion is burning CDs for anyone who would listen. I'm not just doing the modern version of that, which is creating Spotify playlists for every podcast episode that I record where the songs are tangentially related to an episode topic. This week's playlist is fresh to death. It's only new songs, so you can start your 2026 write and it's sponsored by New Line Cinema. Lord of the rings, y'all. Am I right? The whole ass trilogy. No, wait, it's not. Maybe we can get touchstone pictures. Instead, I mean, unbreakable signs. Wait, I have some bad news. Join us next time when I formally launched my clothing line for Husky Boys.