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Kristian Blummenfelt’s World Record VO2 Max Explained | MindSets Podcast | Episode 79 · The MindSets Podcast

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Welcome back to another episode of the Mindset Podcast.
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We're back episode 79 nearly the 80 how they feeling?
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I'm very excited for that 80, but I'm more excited for the 79.
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Yeah, that's what I'm. There's going to be some good
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topics today that I'm excited about.
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OK, so First things first, the way we always start. 2 minute
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news. You're going to count me down.
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I'll give you a little countdown and get a timer up.
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OK, we'll go in three. You ready?
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Yeah. OK, Cool, 321.
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OK. So starting off with Norway in
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the Winter Olympics, they won the whole thing.
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They came here with something like 18 gold medals, which is
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absurd. Team GB finished 18th.
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We had five medals across the board.
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We had three gold medals. That was 2 in skeleton.
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We had one in the mixed snowball cross.
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We had a silver medal in the men's curling and we had a
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bronze medal late into the competition in the women's
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freestyle skiing from the halfpipe with Zoe Atkin.
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Moving on from there we go to the rugby and in the Six Nations
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we had a crazy array of scores this week.
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So we started off with Scotland who narrowly beat Wales 2623
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before England took a bit more of a heavy loss to Ireland.
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Final score there being 42 to 21 and then we have France taking
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on Italy and France being the likely winner.
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They came out with a 33 to 8 win.
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That leaves France at the top of the table, followed by Scotland,
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then Ireland, then England. Bringing up the rear is Italy
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and then at the bottom of the table is Wales.
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Not too much of a surprise there.
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Anyway, we move on to Formula One.
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It's been testing week in Bahrain and there has been a lot
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coming out with Ferrari. That is very exciting for those
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of us that like a Lewis Hamilton opportunity in a season.
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So Ferrari have revealed some new toys, one of them being a
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rotating rear wing, which means that they've got much faster
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straight line speed. They've also done some launch
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control activity, meaning that getting off the line is
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incredibly efficient for them. There is also a video of Lewis
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Hamilton going from I believe 9th place on the grid and 14th
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place on the grid and being first into turn one at the
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Bahrain circuit. So that's exciting.
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Maybe it's a good year to be a Lewis Hamilton fan again.
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Finally, we are talking about a couple of different sports at
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the moment. So we've got men's football with
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Swansea having a new owner. Snoop Dogg has become an
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investor and a a part owner of the football club.
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He has got his own seat in one of the stands.
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And then the final bit of news is that Manny Pacquiao and Floyd
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Money Mayweather are coming out of retirement to take each other
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over on again in their last professional fight.
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As far as we're aware, they could just do it again.
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It sounds a little bit like Fast and Furious, but they're going
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to be re going at it in their fight on the 21st of September.
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Sorry, the 19th of September with a fight happening at the
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Sphere in Las Vegas. So that's going to be pretty
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crazy. One of them is 47, one of them
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is 48. One of them might die anyway.
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That's the news, another week full of rugby and Winter
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Olympics craziness. I'm really enjoying the amount
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of sport that's on, but I'm also not enjoying the amount of
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things that have been pissing us and other people off recently.
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So without further ado, grind my gears.
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Do you want to kick us off this week?
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Yeah, I'm, I'm going to need to. I've been like trying to
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compress this one for a while. It's quite niche though.
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You know the movement devil's press 2 dumbbells, so lie down
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before 2 dumbbells stand up, snatch overhead, right?
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So it's basically like. Burpee and snatch.
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If it's really heavy, you can clean and jerk.
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It's a movement that's been kind of forged from CrossFit.
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I think it was originally put into competition the first time
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in the Dubai Champs in like 2019 kind of time, but it's it's kind
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of now diluted its way or spread its way into other facets of the
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fitness industry. One thing that really upsets me,
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really grinds my gears is when people do devil's press, but not
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on hex dumbbells. So hex dumbbells obviously have
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flat edges, so the dumbbells aren't going to roll around or
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wobble. I see so many people doing
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devil's press on the roundhead dumbbells like the classic
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commercial gym rat. So you go down to the bottom.
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What's stopping the dumbbell just sliding out to the side?
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I've just it kills every fiber of Crossfitter and me.
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It's really sad. Strong wrists.
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Maybe that's what it's doing, but no, I'm so wrong.
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I. Don't think I've done devil's
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press with round dumbbells, but that I have been in gyms where
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I'm like what? This is really not why actually
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do you know what? Why are they round?
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Yeah, why don't? Why don't all the gyms just have
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hex dumbbells? I'm trying to think of a, a
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there must be a, a reason round dumbbells are better other than
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the fact, yes, if, if they're really heavy and you can't carry
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them, you push them, but for all them.
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But how did you get it? Surely that's isn't, that's not
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the reason. Surely they can't be.
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That's the logical reason though anyway.
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But no, that's, that's valid. That's that's very responsible
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of you from a coaching perspective.
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You're worried about other people's injuries for sure.
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Yeah. The next thing we've kind of
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touched on this before when we went, we went out to this pub
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dinner. There was like stupid calories
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and stuff. Again, was recently in America
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who had things a bit crazy, but I have come back and I've been
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like, Oh, I can't wait to have some healthier options.
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Some calories are just dumb. Like why is it?
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Why is a digestive biscuit 100 and something calories?
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It's nothing. There's nothing to it.
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It doesn't deserve that. And then, and then there's like
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other I can have a whole banana for that, but I don't want a
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whole banana. I want to fucking digest it.
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Why is why is that not been sorted out?
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And the other thing that kind of off the back of that, which I
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both love and hate, is that you can make anything healthy in my
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protein, but it has to just have a shit load of Greek yogurt in
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it. And we know this because I have
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adapted a banana bread workout. Yeah.
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Workout, workout. Yeah.
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I mean, maybe a banana bread recipe that just got a load of
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high protein Greek yogurt in it, which is just like low fat.
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It's great. But then one of my favorite
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homemade pizzas, which is also very high, it's just Greek
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yogurt. Yeah, yeah.
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All I'm eating is a Greek yogurt and everything.
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Yeah, I eat a lot of Greek yogurt now as well.
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Yeah, it's the the cost of ice, isn't it?
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Question for you 'cause I know you'll know the answer to this.
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Is Greek yogurt good for your gut?
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Oh, yeah, fantastic. Yeah, yeah, my microbiome.
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Is is yoga for it? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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Anyway, back over to you. My next grind, my gear is, is I,
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I'm also my grind, my own gear. And that's, that's that's how I
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realized that people are doing it because I was like, hang on a
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second. I'm also doing it now.
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It's when someone says they don't like doing it because it's
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boring in relation to fitness. So lots of people recently
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coming up to me being like, how do I get better at running XYZ?
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I'm like, well, you've probably just got to do more running.
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How much running you're doing at the moment?
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I don't really run. It's boring.
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Now, my problem here is it isn't boring.
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You're just bad at it. And because you're bad at it,
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you don't like it and therefore you don't like it.
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So you go, it's boring. That's like the, the, the, the,
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like the what's happening in the brain.
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Because I do the same with swimming.
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I don't like swimming so I go swimming's boring.
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Is swimming actually boring or is it just because I'm bad at
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it? There's nothing for me to like,
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get stimulated by, I'm just bad at swimming so it's boring.
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If I was good at swimming and I had the ability to do a more
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productive and structured session and follow paces a
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little bit better, would I be more engaged in it and therefore
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find it less boring? It's the same with like, I'd
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rather do a hard threshold run or tempo run versus an easy long
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run because it's more engaging for my brain when I go running
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because there's paces that I have to hit and I have to do
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certain things to like manage my fatigue and my breathing,
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etcetera, etcetera. Therefore, it's not boring, but
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the blanket statement of going it's boring isn't actually true,
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you're just bad at it. That's a hot take.
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Hot take because I think I, because you're actually stand on
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the side of the fence where like I do find running boring really,
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but it depends on the session. And it was interesting that you
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said you would rather go and do the tempo ones.
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Yeah, but it's interesting that you said you would rather go and
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do the tempo ones rather than the long ones.
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Because the long ones I find more interesting because I go
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and explore like I'm going to. Whereas my tempo ones, I think
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for me, especially recently running in the UK with it
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raining every single fucking day of the year, yeah, yeah, I'm
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going to be on a treadmill and just stare at the wall.
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That's boring. But the other?
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The other. But then for me, I'm like, I
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have data there. It's like the same when you sit
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on a, if I go, I'm going to go and ski for an hour, even if
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it's low aerobic. I'm playing games with the
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numbers on the monitor, with my stroke rate, with my heart rate.
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Sometimes it's like, can I get to a certain point in the one
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hour within a certain heart rate zone and other people look at
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that and go, Nah, ski looks boring doing that thing.
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I was boring. I'm like.
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I think it's. It is a hot take.
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It no, it's, it's an interesting take.
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I think this is partly generational to be honest,
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because in this in this day and age, how often are you actually
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bored? Because everything in society
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now is about capturing your attention back in three seconds
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or whatever. Whether that's on socials or
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even just like as you're walking out and about the adverts and
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the the things that you see, you've just got crazy statements
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and you're just eyes are dying from left to right.
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But then I think therefore going and sitting on a bike, sitting
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on a ski, being on a rowing machine, when it is just
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nothingness, like immediately, yeah, that is boring.
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But there's like levels to boredom.
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It's not like I'm locked in a room with nothing.
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That is boring. But then.
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But then I'm also like, if I'm on the cross trainer or
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something for like 90 minutes, I'm probably watching something.
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Yeah. So it's like, again, I, I and I
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will listen to music. Yeah.
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So I'm just like, for me it's not boring.
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Yeah, I think, I think something like a track session to me, if I
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was doing a track session that isn't boring, I don't strictly
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enjoy it per SE. Well, that's the difference,
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right? But I, I, I get something out of
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there. Whereas if I was to go and do a
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threshold effort like a A6 to 8K at a set pace, that's going to
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be depending on the speed and who you are.
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But like, let's say for me, that's going to be anywhere
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between like 24 and 45 minutes, depending on the distance and
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the speed. But like 24 minutes is quite a
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long time to be on the edge of uncomfortable.
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And like that's, that is kind of boring when like when you're at
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a level where like it's verging on uncomfortable, but it's not
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that hard. It's just not easy.
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And it's kind of like that gets boring like that internal
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discussion, 24 minutes to 40. That's the fun of it.
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Is it fun though? Yeah, yeah.
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That's, that's funny. It's fun when you get to the end
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'cause you're like I did it. But like, but the whole time
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you're like talking yourself out of doing it.
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Yeah, and it's not necessarily that that mental force.
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I find that discussion boring, really.
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That internal discussion. I'm like, 'cause I know I'm
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going to do it. Yeah, I know I'm competitive
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about that. I win it.
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But I. Think it's more of like the
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blanket statement of going, I'm not going to do that because
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it's boring. Yeah.
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Because you know you're bad at it and you don't like it and
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it's going to be hard, Yeah. I don't.
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I don't disagree with the. Fact if I was.
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Running. If I was running, if I had done
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the training or I had the fitness to run like 315 per
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kilometer and the open and the broad width of training that
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enabled me to do, then maybe I would find running more
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interesting. But I'm in a position where I
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have cycled between being able to run a 5K in just under 19
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minutes to 21 minutes across the last two years.
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So often I'm just like running. It's actually quite boring.
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But again, I'm bad at it in the ground scheme of things.
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So there we go that way. My final one is something that I
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mentioned to you, but I had someone talk to me about just
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over a week ago. I forgot to bring it off in the
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last episode. The American team, the Winter
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Olympics, the American clothing. So every, every nation has
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obviously got whoever to make it.
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I think Italy's got Armani. Making those something on there.
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Whoever's made the American one, I was saw a video on Instagram
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and I sent it to you. You need to but someone else.
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Mentioned this. Basically the Americans have
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gone to the Olympic Games in Tesco uniforms and they don't
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know that because they don't have Tesco.
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It's incredible. But the blue and the red of
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their uniform. So I was watching an Instagram
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reel that was put out by one of the athletes travelling out with
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their like competitors, their teammates, and I thought it was
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Tesco doing an advert around the Winter Olympics.
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I thought it was genius marketing, but no, it's actually
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so yeah, Team US, they're like loungewear clothing is the Tesco
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units. So you're all ready to go on the
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check out. It doesn't work out in your
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career. But yeah, it really, it's always
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been that there's like not one person has looked at it and
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gone. Do we reckon in other countries
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like that, it's going to look like, imagine if the UK turned
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up looking like we worked in fucking Target or Costco,
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something like that. What?
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So yeah, that that was that. That was more funny than
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grandma. But you have to put the
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comparison. Up on the screen.
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Bring that in. Yeah, for sure.
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Now today we're going back to a main topic that we mentioned as
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news at the back end of I think Episode 77.
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It was a couple of because the. VO2 Max world record had been
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smashed. 101 was the reading in the complicated units that
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followed Christian Blumenfeld, who is a triathlete if I'm not
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mistaken. Here.
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You understand far more about the methodology and you've done
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a bit more research into this. So do you want to take us
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through how? And you have a VO2 Max that high
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I mean. Firstly, because because we we
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brushed over it so quickly at the back end of that episode
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where it's like it, I think at that point we're like, we
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actually need to discuss this in much more detail.
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I think lots of people be interested in it just in even if
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you're not into triathlon or endurance sport, just the
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physical feat of having avo 2 Max that high is just like mind
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blowing to the point where it's like it's hard to compute.
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So just in general, someone with over like 60 VO 2 Max is really
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impressive, very fit, right? And then you're getting up into
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the 70s and you're like you, this person is an absolute
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specimen, like a genetic freak. There's only been a handful of
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people ever to get over 90. And I think that the most
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recently highest recorded was something like 97.
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I think it was also a Norwegian, someone doing like cross country
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skiing or something like that. To go past 100 is just like,
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it's like, so hopefully we can break it down, have a look at
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his training and, and understand what his training looks like.
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But for those of you who, and I'll upset a lot of the people
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who like the science because I'm going to try my best to dumb it
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down. Basically what your VO2 Max is
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showing you. It's like the, the
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transportation of the absorption of oxygen into the, into the
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tissues or your muscles when you need it.
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But there's two things that you're doing when you start
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exercising. Your heart is pumping more
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volume of blood. We call that stroke volume.
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And then it's also increasing the heart rate.
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And you'll feel that when you train.
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When you train, obviously your heart rate gets higher and as a
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result, you get warmer, et cetera, et cetera.
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So the first thing your body does when you start exercises,
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it starts transporting more volume of blood.
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Now, I can't remember what the number is, and I should really
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remember what the number is, but in normal people, there's a
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point where your body just can't push any more volume of blood.
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So the compensation for that is higher heart rate.
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So your heart rate starts to increase and you'll know an
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exercise, there's a point in exercise where your heart rate
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just won't go any higher. And if you do, you have a heart
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attack and you die. But instead, what happens?
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You just reach your Max and then you start coming down.
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It's that point where you can't go any higher with your heart
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rate. That's your VO2 Max basically.
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And that's, that's how you kind of measure it.
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And, and there's lots more science behind it and lots more
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numbers and, and, and variations and nuances around it.
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But it's like an easy way to think about it.
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Those are the two metrics that I'd suggest trying to understand
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it. Then you look at how you kind of
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develop your aerobic fitness, because that's what we're trying
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to do here. I think the best way to imagine
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your aerobic fitness is a triangle and to maximize your
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fitness, you want to try and maximize the surface area of
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your triangle. So not only do you want to build
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width and we, we sometimes refer to the width as like your low
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aerobic fitness, but you also want to build the height.
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And it's the height of the triangle, which I would say is
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like the VO2 Max in, in like a simple way of thinking of it.
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So the width, the base is your low aerobic, let's call it zone
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2 for now. And then the top or the height,
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the peak is your, your VO2 Max. So you got to try and create a
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really wide base, obviously to then support the high you go.
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And I think you look at most people's training like let's
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call us everyday athletes, I'd say the majority of what we're
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doing is probably like 8020. It's 80% low aerobic, 20% high,
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like VO2 Max and interval work. If you look at someone like
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Christian Blumenfeld, I guess it's all relative because he's
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doing far more training and far more volume than we ever will be
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able to probably manage. But he's probably doing like a
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9010. So like 90% lower aerobic, 10%
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intervals. But in reality, he's obviously
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doing a lot more interval work than we are.
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But just in terms of percentage of his overall training, it's
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9010. And another really good example
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is today Pogacha, where I'd love to talk about who's the world's
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best cyclist, maybe one of the best cyclists ever.
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He's probably sitting in around 9010 as well.
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But that's kind of how you want to to look at your training.
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And you, you can tell me to shut up at any point if you want me
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to. But we call that training style
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pyramidal, obviously, for obvious reasons.
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There's a few different ways that you can train and you can
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look at your training, but I think what most people fall into
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the trap of doing is they do their low, easy stuff too
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difficult and they don't do their hard stuff hard enough.
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Yeah. So as a result, they fall in the
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middle. And I call that junk training.
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Other people call it garbage training or garbage volume, that
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kind of thing. No, it's same thing really.
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But it's like, yes, doing that is better than sitting on the
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sofa. But if you're looking at
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maximizing or optimizing your performance, your performance
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potential, you want to really try and focus on working your
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low easy stuff, making sure it is low and easy, and your hard
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stuff really hard. Because then this comes into a
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massive misconception about the Norwegian training method.
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So threshold is becoming slightly understood, but a lot
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of people will think, oh, my threshold session is really,
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it's not zone 5, it's like zone 4, sort of heart rate level.
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And then you hear double threshold days.
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You're like, Oh my gosh, they're hitting zone 4:00 every single
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day. And it's actually that's not the
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case. Even with triple threshold days,
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they're not hitting zone 4 three times a day.
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They're being very, very specific about which threshold
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they want to be in because there are multiple thresholds.
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So they might actually have a lot of it.
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Like you said, 90% might be easy work.
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So you might be a zone one, zone 2 threshold session twice in the
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day. And then they do have their one
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intense session. I don't know if you've got
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anything else that's like misunderstood around.
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Yeah, I think there's so that we we spoke about pyramidal just
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then the the kind of the flip of pyramidal is we call it
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polarized training where there's 22 pyramids that are basically
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stacked on each on top of each other with the peak of the
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pyramids touching. So you've got a really wide base
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with your lower aerobic. It then goes basically to
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nothing in the middle. Those are your zones like threes
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and fours. And then it's huge at the top
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again, basically the same size as the bottom of your pyramid.
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So it looks like an hourglass basically.
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So you've got a lot of lot of VO2 Max work at the top and a
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lot of lower aerobic at the the bottom.
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And without being able to see specifically what Kristen
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Blumenfeld's training looks like, he could be doing
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something similar. Lots of professional athletes
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across, I think like the the realms that we work in and kind
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of like high rocks and hybrid training try to do something
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similar where they're just cutting out all of that middle
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stuff. The reason why people tend to do
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a lot of volume in their lower aerobic is because it's not
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conducive to kind of muscle soreness or muscle fatigue.
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So you can do lots of it and then go again the next day, go
20:52
again the next day, go again the next day.
20:53
Well you said we don't have his actual training plan unlike the
20:56
last couple of episodes. We actually do have a week
21:00
overview from his coach who is I need to get this right, Arld
21:04
Featon. I'm just going to be my.
21:07
He must, I think he must work with, with multiple because
21:10
there's, unless he's dropped his original coach because he was
21:12
working with a guy called Olaf Alexander who was like the real
21:16
numbers guy. And, and they must have popped
21:18
on the scene like I'm going to say 3-4 years ago where it
21:22
really started to come to mainstream media where you'd see
21:25
him in the pool when he's getting blood lactate and he's
21:27
putting oxygen masks on and all this sort of stuff.
21:29
And people were like, this is revolutionary.
21:31
It's not really the Norwegian training method is like is
21:34
age-old and, and before kind of the, the surge of East African
21:39
athletes in distance running, it was all Scandinavian athletes,
21:43
Finnish, Danish, Norwegians who were the best at long distance.
21:47
If you look back at the medals tables and you're looking
21:49
anywhere between like, I don't know, 1500 through to like 5-10
21:53
K, maybe even longer distance, they're all being dominated by
21:57
Scandinavian athletes. So like the Norwegian method is,
21:59
is something that's kind of like steeped in tradition.
22:03
Someone like Jakubinger Britson is also a really good case
22:05
study. It might be fun to look at him
22:06
as well, but I think he he works the same kind of like double
22:10
triple threshold sessions that Christian is also I.
22:13
Think one of the interesting thing is between those two
22:15
athletes though, and more so on Christian's side is because he's
22:18
a triathlete, he has three different disciplines to master.
22:21
Whereas Inger Briggs and but he will obviously incorporate
22:24
different methods, aerobic training and different strength
22:27
training. But with Christian, this
22:31
overview gives a really good insight to understanding his
22:34
training. And what it doesn't say is
22:37
threshold day, double threshold day.
22:39
This is just his session. So if you're wondering what a
22:41
double threshold or a triple threshold they might look like,
22:44
have a listen. So.
22:45
I think what will be shocking as well is like just total volume.
22:49
We'll do a summation of the number of hours in the end,
22:51
which I think will shock a few people.
22:52
And this is what it's actually like to be a professional long
22:57
course track. Long course track.
22:58
Yeah. Yeah.
22:59
So I mean, he has got, I don't know if you consider it short
23:01
course. Has he?
23:01
Has he got the? World record.
23:03
So yeah, he's got world record for the 70.3, which is half Iron
23:07
Man. I think that's still long
23:09
course. I think any longer than Olympic
23:11
distance could be completely misquoted there, but I think he
23:15
came third in this year's About Iron Man World Championships.
23:20
I think he came second in this year's 70.3 World Championships.
23:24
But then I think he set it was like the IT must have been the
23:27
world record at the time at another race for the 70.3.
23:31
But he's also won Olympic gold medals in Olympic distance
23:35
triathlete in 2020. I think it must be Tokyo like.
23:38
He's not just a guy in a good deal team.
23:40
He's like out surround. Yeah, he's like a a very, very
23:43
well renowned triathlete. So Monday morning, what he'll be
23:48
doing. Yeah, he will be doing 30
23:50
minutes of movement slash basic stuff before swimming.
23:54
So that's probably just like warming up mobility kind of
23:56
thing, but 30 minutes of it, then he'll be doing 2 hours of
23:59
swimming. That is already just, like,
24:02
shocking. As far as I'm aware, because
24:03
we've not been given like a session specifically.
24:05
Any time that that's not given, it's easy.
24:08
OK. So two hours of just swimming in
24:11
a pool, Yeah. Mad base building, right?
24:13
Yeah, exactly. Then that's the morning.
24:16
So then in the afternoon, he's doing an hour and a half of
24:19
running intervals, so that might look like 8 by 1.
24:22
K Yeah, yeah. And then to finish.
24:24
Is this a 20 * 400 or? 12 by 4. 100 yeah, yeah, those
24:28
are like the famous ones. Yeah.
24:29
And and next to this and again we we weren't able to fully
24:32
understand the coding on this L3, which we're thinking is
24:35
probably like to zone 3. Maybe something like that?
24:39
Because I mean, we, we know LT1 and LT2, there is an LT3 to my
24:43
knowledge your different threshold and lactate levels.
24:45
So if we we can assume maybe Zone 3.
24:49
So again, if that is the case, that's not an all out eight by
24:52
1K which you might be doing in your training once a week and
24:55
like in Zone 5 for 90% of those. I think what's really important
24:58
is like when you try and decipher anything exercise
25:02
Physiology related online, lots of different research papers,
25:06
different scientists, different academics, whoever's kind of
25:10
writing the paper that you're reading or what you're listening
25:12
to, Everyone uses slightly different terminology and
25:15
sometimes the terminology can mean the same thing even though
25:18
it sounds different. It's, it's, it's a really
25:21
confusing rabbit hole to go down in.
25:24
So it's like we'll just do our best basically off what we'd
25:27
feel is probably suitable for for the the plan that we've got
25:31
here. Yeah.
25:32
So that's, that's Monday done. So the, the swimming in the
25:34
morning, long easy swimming in the morning and then a slightly
25:37
more challenging running into us in the afternoon.
25:39
Tuesday the morning is almost identical, but rather than two
25:42
hours of swimming, you've got your 30 minutes of movement
25:45
basic work before an hour and a half of swimming.
25:48
Then in the afternoon you've got 4 hours of cycling and 30
25:53
minutes of running, all at L1, which we're again going to
25:55
assume is like zone 1. Yeah, like it's really, really
25:58
easy. But 4 1/2 hours that afternoon
26:00
after two hours work in the morning.
26:02
So like a, a proper brick session then, yeah.
26:04
And and that's, that's going to be like, that's triathlon
26:06
specific, isn't it? Running off the bike?
26:09
You've all heard of that before. But already I'm just, I'm just
26:13
shocked at how much he's doing. And, and I know we were speaking
26:15
before we started the podcast. It's like we're reading
26:18
Christian has a heavy reliance on caffeine.
26:21
Like no one, no shit. Yeah.
26:24
So Wednesday then if we get into Wednesday, we're back to
26:27
Monday's morning routine. So we've got 30 minutes like
26:29
basic movement, and then we've got two hours of swimming.
26:33
Afternoon. We've got 3 hour transition
26:36
exercise. So this is brick style.
26:38
So this is an hour and 45, cycling an hour and 50 and
26:40
running 8. Here we go.
26:46
It says AM uphill biking L3 plus running on a track so I'm I
26:50
don't know if that's like 8 miles 8 but 8 miles uphill
26:54
biking is that. No, I, I I wouldn't imagine it's
26:57
miles in terms of biking, but could be.
27:00
But anyway, it's it's uphill biking I would assume for a
27:03
decent proportion time based on everything else he does a
27:05
difficult level of difficulty. And then running on a track at a
27:09
slightly either the same or a harder intensity.
27:12
You've got 1-2 K effort, 21K efforts, then 31K efforts, then
27:20
4 by 600 meters, then 5 by 400 meters.
27:24
If you try and break that down, I'll tell you what the total
27:27
volume is on that. Well, the thing I'm, I'm, I'm
27:30
just going to go in with, it's like, obviously it feels like a
27:32
lot of volume, but you're training for, you're training
27:36
for an event which is going to span over the course of like 8
27:40
to 10 hours, probably. Remember off the back of your
27:43
swim and your bike, your bike being 180 kilometres, you're
27:48
then going into a marathon. So it's like you then have to
27:50
run 42 kilometres. And these guys are like, they're
27:52
not slouches like off the bike. They're running like, I don't
27:55
want to be misquoted, but there is they're they're not going
27:58
crazy fast where you think of like elite level marathon
28:01
runners. They probably have it close to
28:03
that in the tank if they're fresh.
28:05
Yeah, they're running close to like 2 1/2 hours off the back of
28:07
180 kilometer bike. So the volume that they're doing
28:11
here, obviously it's taken them years and years and years to
28:13
develop the resilience and the tolerance to that.
28:15
And they're doing lots of everyday he's doing exercises,
28:19
stretching, mobility, strength work around that is a help make
28:23
sure his body can tolerate it. But it's not like he's just
28:25
taking this plan and the next day he's implemented it.
28:28
So it's like if you are looking to get into longer course
28:31
triathlon or long distance triathlon, start easy and just
28:36
build yourself like you would with anything that you're doing
28:38
so. He this, it looks like this
28:41
Wednesday in particular is, is probably one of his harder days
28:43
because I mean, we've said what he did in the morning with the
28:45
long swim. He's then done his three hours
28:47
of cycling into running. But then the session of that is
28:54
11.4 K worth of intervals at zone 3 to zone 4.
28:59
And that being pretty strenuous and like tough on the the
29:04
nervous system, but also the muscles.
29:05
Thursday is 2 hours of easy training of choice.
29:10
So he might take a day away from the pool.
29:14
But yeah, training of choice, whatever, Just for two hours,
29:16
just get that. In I think honestly, like the
29:19
the the session I see a lot of thrown around from the Norwegian
29:23
training is like the classic is the the 20 by 400.
29:27
I've seen that a lot yeah, the track, but also like 12 by 1 K.
29:30
And I'm just like if I had a session with 121K and it's like,
29:35
and they're going fast, like they run real hard and they're
29:38
like really starting to to get some lactic going.
29:41
So it's, I mean, it's incredible volume, but yeah.
29:43
Friday, easy day for a lot of people working from home.
29:47
Unfortunately not. We're both doing 30 basic bits
29:50
of movement before swimming and then we've got two hours back in
29:53
the pool and then in the afternoon we've got 2 1/2 hours
29:56
on the bike and then we've got some hill intervals to finish
30:00
that, which I'm I again, we're using the, the lowercase M here.
30:05
We're literally reading this off the website at this point in
30:07
time, but I'm I'm tempted to say that the M is minutes, so like
30:12
the previous one might have just been 8 minutes of continuous.
30:14
Uphill side and then I'm just like, well, that's, that's
30:16
typical VO2 Max because for VO2 Max efforts, we're looking
30:20
anywhere between 3:00 and 8:00 minutes worth of work.
30:22
Anything less than three, you're probably not getting enough
30:25
stimulus. Anything over 8 minutes, it's no
30:27
longer AVO 2 Max effort because you just can't sustain that
30:29
heart rate unless you're probably Christian.
30:32
So I mean, that might be a, a reasonable guess because that's
30:36
what we look for. And and then also on that point,
30:39
for VO2 Max efforts, interval efforts, you're probably looking
30:43
somewhere around 1:00 to 1:00 work rest ratio.
30:45
So if you're going to do an 8 minute effort, you're probably
30:48
looking somewhere like 6 to 8 minutes rest.
30:50
Yeah. And that's something that I
30:52
think people misjudge as well, because they want to go really,
30:54
really hard and they want to make the session feel really,
30:56
really difficult. Yeah, but actually your output's
30:58
going to be much better if you have enough time to recover
31:01
before you then repeat the effort.
31:02
So yeah, this, this by session of 2 1/2 hours, which is
31:06
unfollowed by hill intervals, is 1 by 20 minutes moving up to a
31:10
zone 3, then 2 by 10 minutes in zone 3, and then 5 by 5 minutes
31:14
in zone 3. So it's sort of breaking down,
31:15
but all at the same intensity. And then that's followed by one
31:18
hour of easy running. Yeah, straight off the bike.
31:21
Yeah, Saturday, no weekends, no days off.
31:25
We're back doing basic movement and we've got 90 minutes of
31:28
swimming today and then we're going into the afternoon.
31:30
We are doing running. We've got an hour and a half of
31:33
running, 30 minutes zone to rest and then finish it off with easy
31:38
zone 1 running. And then we follow that with 2
31:41
1/2 hours of easy cycling. So you're still getting 4 hours
31:45
of work done in the afternoon, Sunday morning, 4 hours.
31:51
Still going. Yeah, 70 minutes of that is
31:55
zone, 220 minutes of zone 3 at the end.
31:58
So across the last hour and a half, you're starting to up the
32:01
intensity. But the, the 1st 3 1/2, sorry,
32:02
the 1st 2 1/2 hours of that seemingly is just like zone 1,
32:07
like just sitting, moving your legs.
32:09
And I guess that's the common theme across the week, isn't it?
32:12
Right. And then the afternoon final
32:13
thing on a Sunday that he's had programmed is an hour and a half
32:16
of running with hill intervals, 4 by 6 in zone 3 and then four
32:20
by three in zone 3. Yeah, which I would assume again
32:23
is minutes. So yeah, 6 minutes, 6 minutes, 3
32:27
minutes. And what that brings us out as a
32:29
total volume in time, he's doing 9 1/2 hours of swimming per
32:34
week. He's doing, it's crazy, 15 hours
32:37
of cycling per week, 7 hours of running per week, and he's doing
32:40
2 1/2 hours of just like mobility, movement, basic.
32:44
Stuff. I think that's also some
32:45
strength work in there as well. I would, I would imagine there
32:49
would be there's so across that that's 24 1/2, that's 33 1/2
32:56
hours training, 34 hours training per week, which is a
33:01
lot. I, I mean, I've been like cross
33:03
referencing a few different sources and like a lot of the
33:05
top triathletes are doing anywhere between like 6 and 8
33:08
hours a day. And I'm just like, I, I mean,
33:11
like these are triathletes training specifically for Iron
33:15
Man, which is like the longest distance you can do.
33:18
It's just, it is completely your life.
33:21
That's why I have so much respect for anyone who's doing
33:25
it as a hobby or like going and trying and doing their first
33:29
ever Iron Man and they're doing their training around work and
33:32
they're like, OK, I'm going to do a bike session in the morning
33:34
and I'm going to swim in the evening.
33:36
Maybe if I have time, I'm going to have to go and run at
33:38
lunchtime. It's just like it's a lot to
33:40
have to to juggle. So anyone who can finish an Iron
33:43
Man, especially with a full time job, there's there's no high
33:46
respect from me. I think it's like, incredible.
33:48
It's so true because I even even to be able to finish an Iron Man
33:51
like you might not be doing this amount of time, but you're still
33:53
aiming for probably 20 hour weeks as you're getting closer
33:57
to the actual. Event.
33:57
A lot of training. A lot of time when you consider,
33:59
I mean, for the sort of person that's listening to this
34:02
podcast, they probably do get up before they need to roll out of
34:04
bed and go to work. So let's say you get up at, I
34:07
don't know, between 6:00 and 7:00 and then you start work at
34:09
9:00. That's three hours minus
34:11
commute, two hours. And then when you get home from
34:13
work as well, you've probably only got two to three hours.
34:17
We should really be getting into bed.
34:18
So then you've only got 5 hours a day out around work.
34:22
If you really wanted to, like you said, you could try and
34:23
squeeze something in on a lunch break, but you've got five
34:26
hours. That's if you wanted to match
34:29
his session. That's all of your time gone.
34:30
I'd be like, I'm super impressed when someone can piece together
34:33
like 10 to 12 hours of training in a week.
34:36
If you imagine like the the the normal gym goer might do four to
34:39
five classes a week, four or five hours done.
34:44
This is 30 odd hours. I like to do that in
34:47
perspective. When I was doing American
34:49
football, I used to do 14 to 16 hours of training a week.
34:53
And that didn't include, like, sitting in a classroom and
34:55
watching game film. So let's say including that, it
34:58
was like 18 hours a week. But it fully consumed my life
35:00
100% Yeah. I lived it.
35:02
I breathed it. I wouldn't be able to do it if I
35:03
wasn't a university where like, I could catch up on lectures
35:06
because I was watching film or like going to the gym instead.
35:09
Well. I mean, fortunately for him,
35:10
he's a professional athlete, so you'd assume he's doing that.
35:14
I think there's a few things that we also want to consider.
35:16
It's like, have we got at what point in his season this is?
35:21
I don't know how his volume and intensity fluctuates around
35:25
racing, what his kind of like taper process looks like or
35:29
preparation into competitions. The only other thing also, when
35:33
I was doing my research, I was looking at some of his swimming
35:36
sessions. I don't know if you've ever
35:37
tried to decipher swimming programming.
35:40
No, for someone who's like, I've worked in fitness for, this is
35:44
probably my 10th year. And a lot of that time I spend
35:46
programming athletes and writing programs, etcetera, etcetera.
35:49
Like I feel like I have a good grasp.
35:51
But yeah, yeah, when I look at swimming programming, it might
35:54
as well be in a completely different language.
35:55
I'm just like, it's so alien to me.
35:58
And there's so many different like abbreviations and like
36:00
things. You're kicking these drills this
36:03
and that and I was just so confusing.
36:05
I was just like when he obviously like some of those
36:07
pool sessions. I don't think it's put anything
36:09
other than easy work. We just assume that it might be
36:12
a certain point. It seems in ways developing a
36:14
bigger base, but he will be doing a lot of drills.
36:17
He will be doing a lot of intensity in the pool as well.
36:20
I think that's the one thing that's so impressive and it's
36:22
it's hard to get a grasp of when you watch them in in the
36:24
swimming pool. You watch them in in the ocean
36:26
when they're doing their races, how fast they are at swimming
36:29
and how quickly they get through the the Iron Man swim is just
36:34
incredible. Yeah, this is this is
36:36
specifically from week 17, which is the 24th or the 30th of April
36:41
in 2017. So this is this is actually like
36:44
ancient. This is ancient in comparison to
36:46
the results that he's just gone again, like the methodology is
36:50
still there and I would imagine. That I think that's why it's.
36:53
Volume. Yeah, the volume is going to be
36:56
probably not outrageously different to Nurse, but then
37:02
I've got a question. I know you don't like me putting
37:03
you on the spot, but this is from my understanding of testing
37:06
VO2 Max. Surely it's quite dependent on
37:10
what you're tested on because. Oh, in terms of the actual.
37:13
Equipment, yeah, because a lot, I mean, for example, when we
37:16
spoke about my, my, me being better on a bike in terms of
37:19
them running. But like if you test my VO2 on a
37:21
bike, I would say that it's probably like maybe A5.
37:25
It's a 10% difference, if not higher than if you test me
37:28
running. And I like I, I think having
37:32
seen the highlights of this test, it was done with him on
37:34
the bike. Yeah, but I think because he
37:37
didn't officially announce it, but.
37:38
Yeah, it was a catch. Up of his screen whilst he's on
37:41
the bike. I'm sure like the efficiency of
37:44
like your movement on the bike versus like running economy
37:47
efficiency or running efficiency, I'm sure there will
37:50
be some sort of deviation in there.
37:53
But I think person to person, it's probably quite accurate,
37:56
especially if you're using. I mean, he's got the
37:58
state-of-the-art equipment and like his whole team.
38:01
There's, there's probably very few sessions and I think it's
38:04
similar with the Acha Binga Brits and that they're running,
38:07
whether it's on the bike, whether it's in the pool,
38:09
whether it's on the track where they're not lactate blood
38:12
testing. So it's like they'll run around
38:14
the track, do their effort and then some little minion will run
38:17
over with latex gloves and like prick their hair or get blood.
38:21
So it's like the Norwegian training methodology is so
38:25
strict around numbers and training in certain lactate
38:28
zones, which is really, really fascinating.
38:31
And it's something that I've played around with a little bit
38:34
of my training, just just understand it a bit better.
38:38
The one thing that's shocking, because we have a lactate
38:40
testing machine, blood lactate machine, the thing that's
38:43
shocking is how expensive the slides for the blood are.
38:48
So it's like you can pick up the machine.
38:49
The machine's quite expensive. It's a couple of £100, but for
38:52
every slide that you're taking blood off, it's like it's
38:56
extortionately expensive. And like when you do a test, you
39:00
end up, it depends what you're doing, I guess.
39:02
But let's say when we were testing, we're on a bike, we
39:05
took maybe like 13 to 20 blood samples.
39:07
I might just, and, and because you can't reuse it because
39:10
you're using blood and etcetera. So you have to dispose of it
39:13
really safely and carefully, and you have to be careful with
39:15
everything that you're doing around it.
39:16
But it's so expensive, so I'm not surprised.
39:19
Wild. Yeah.
39:20
Yeah. Because it's got like a little
39:21
nano chip reader in it that slots into the machine and there
39:24
you go. Yeah.
39:25
And like, sometimes they fainter as well.
39:26
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen that with people that
39:28
I know that have got like diabetes and have got an
39:30
emergency one to check and they're like.
39:33
Have to go again. I have.
39:34
To go and buy more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's
39:37
fascinating though. But the the whole sort of idea
39:39
about VO2 Max is definitely not like a thing to chase.
39:42
Having a high VO2 Max means you're fit.
39:45
But like it's not a definition of fitness per SE.
39:49
I mean, we've said like he's got the world record in VO2 Max, but
39:52
he's not the world record holder.
39:54
He he can win. There's still way more to it.
39:56
And maybe those other athletes actually have higher VO2 Max as
39:59
we don't know. But it is a given that if your
40:02
VO2 Max is that high, you're very fit.
40:05
Yeah. And I, I think like it's
40:07
probably the the underlying who's the fittest person.
40:10
It's probably like the VO2 Max who's the best that racing is
40:15
very different. So it's like they often give
40:18
examples around like how do we, how do you kind of explain VO2
40:22
Max to someone who doesn't understand what it actually is?
40:25
Because it's like, hey, well, this guy can run a mile really
40:27
fast. Well, that's a test of speed,
40:30
right? Over a certain amount of time or
40:32
distance, I should say. Whereas like your VO2 Max is
40:35
like a direct proportion of how efficient your body is at
40:38
transporting and using its oxygen to like fuel the
40:40
mitochondria, which is what's in the in the tissues basically.
40:43
Yeah, and, and there's also the over the period of time with
40:47
training, then yes, your body will adapt to different things.
40:49
But as a really interesting example, I used to get really,
40:52
really frustrated when I was young and I would do like some
40:55
of the summer sports events and I would, I was very like active.
40:59
I did a lot of training for different sports.
41:01
It would come to the summer season and there were two guys
41:04
that would just be off around the back of the bike shed every
41:07
single day smoking pack after pack after pack of fags.
41:10
And they would come down on this particular PE day and we would
41:15
have a 200 meter Sprint and they would wipe the floor with me and
41:19
be like how, how so much better than you, you're so dead after
41:23
going up the stairs. And like, I might have had a VO2
41:27
Max that was higher than theirs, but they were better sprinters.
41:30
Yeah, they're genetic printers. So they're just a Sprint thing.
41:32
Yeah, exactly. So like there's a there's a,
41:33
there's still a big differences between like the, the everyday
41:36
athlete for different specificities.
41:37
So. Also, if you look at Christian,
41:39
you wouldn't go, yeah, he's actually what I typically see it
41:43
or kind of envisage A triath, a professional Iron Man triathlete
41:47
to look like. Like he's a little bit shorter.
41:49
I actually don't know how tall he is.
41:51
I, I mean, this is probably completely wrong, but he's
41:53
probably a little bit shorter. He looks a little bit wider set.
41:56
So it's just like you can't judge a book by its cover.
41:59
It's just like he's aerobically and very like genetically
42:02
aerobically, very gifted. And just just, again, like you
42:05
said, if you're above 60, but you're very, very fit, I, I
42:10
don't know, because everyone pretty much that I know goes off
42:12
their watch because we don't have all the money to go and do
42:15
these tests. And then we don't have enough
42:16
money to buy more strips even if we had.
42:18
But I wouldn't therefore say mine's a gospel.
42:21
I just, it's the only way of tracking I've got.
42:25
But mine gives me between 52 and 55.
42:27
So he's almost. Yeah, yeah, I think I've, I've
42:31
seen my algorithm's got me in a chokehold recently of like
42:34
people actually going and getting their VO2 Max tested to
42:37
see the difference between, I saw one test, it was the
42:39
difference between what their Garmin was saying and what their
42:41
whoop was saying. And I think the VO2 Max was more
42:45
accurate on the Garmin than what they were saying on the whoop.
42:49
But I think the Garmin is biased because it, it only takes
42:52
running into a carry. Really.
42:54
OK, so it's like you can sit for hours and hours and hours and
42:56
you've clicked cardio and you're doing like a low aerobic work on
42:59
a bike. And it is, it's, well, it's not
43:02
necessarily contributing to, I mean, you have to be doing VO2
43:06
Max intervals for it to be contributing to you getting
43:07
better at VO2 Max. But yeah, I mean, it's, it only
43:11
takes into account running. But I would be really interested
43:13
to go and have my VO2 Max tested and then see what it's saying.
43:18
That's my my watch. Well, if anyone's listening to
43:20
this that has access to that sort of thing, then do let us
43:22
know because I would love to be humbled by the test and I would.
43:26
I've always said, I think if I was doing the test, I would need
43:28
a crash map because I would like to fall off the back bit off
43:31
treadmill. In reality, it doesn't happen
43:34
very often that people do that. So I'd probably just be like,
43:36
yeah, I'm done. But it's it would be really cool
43:39
thing and. Yeah, and I could do it versus a
43:42
maze fit because I've got a maze fit.
43:43
Watch. You've got Garmin.
43:44
Exactly. I mean, no, we wasn't really
43:46
lost in the other video. Or a bit higher than you.
43:48
What's yours, 58? That's why I actually don't even
43:51
know how I can find mine unless he tells me I can go over.
43:54
Yeah, I'm pretty sure mine is like 5354 at the moment.
43:58
So yeah, fair enough. I don't believe it until I see
44:01
the real results. I think I'm closer to 95.
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So nice game time. Let's do it I'm.
45:44
Going to have to get my. Phone.
45:45
You feel the game today? I have, yeah.
45:47
It's it's not really a game. You can't, you can't really lose
45:50
it, which is nice for you when, but you can be judged highly,
45:54
that's what. Yeah, maybe.
45:56
So we're going to do a little bit of game called this or that.
45:59
So I'm going to give you an option and you have to choose
46:03
based off what the question is, which person or which thing you
46:06
would prefer. I'm then going to give you
46:08
another option and then you just go back and forth.
46:11
And then we see after a couple of options who you think is the
46:14
best or what is the best. I like it, I like it.
46:16
So the first one we're going to kick off with, we're going to
46:19
choose a Hyrox race partner. So this is the Hyrox race
46:23
partner edition. OK, Right.
46:24
So your first options, Jake Paul or Serena Williams, and I have
46:30
to premise all of these or preface all of these when it's
46:34
someone who's potentially not competing anymore, assume it's
46:37
them in their peak. So this is Serena Williams.
46:40
Love that peak. All right, so Jake Paul or
46:42
Serena Williams, who are you going for?
46:45
Can I ask a question off the back of it?
46:46
Am I like trying to do well in all these sports or am I just
46:49
picking one for vibe so. What it could be vibes, it could
46:52
be it's you. You're going to be able to
46:53
justify at the end however you want.
46:56
OK, I'm obviously going to go with Serena Williams.
47:00
I wanted to go Jake Paul just so I could, like, put him in a bin,
47:04
but yeah. You want to you want a risk in
47:07
being fit in you. No, although did you did?
47:08
Have you seen? Sorry, this is a massive tangent
47:10
and I know we're great for this. Have you seen I think his
47:14
fiancee? Oh yeah, she won.
47:16
She's a she's skater. Incredible.
47:18
Yeah, She, she, she won her main event, which I think it was the
47:22
record potentially. Video of him but she.
47:24
She also got a silver medal in second best.
47:27
She's she's like 10 times world champion.
47:29
Yeah, she's incredible. She's very famous, very good out
47:31
of Netherlands. So yeah.
47:33
So Serena Williams. Serena Williams or Lindsey Vonn.
47:38
Is this for hierarchs though? You're always the same same
47:40
thing. Well, this is tough because I
47:43
think Lindsey Vonn could be a better shout, but she might get
47:47
her. And Serena Williams is arguably
47:50
one of the best endurance athletes of all time, based on
47:52
your reckoning. I didn't say that.
47:54
Yeah, you do. I say the best athlete.
47:56
I'm going to say I'm going to stick with Serena Williams.
47:58
OK, Serena Williams or Michael Jordan.
48:02
Peak MJ. That's tough.
48:04
Now I think probably Michael Jordan.
48:08
OK, MJ or Christian Blumenthal. For hierarchs, Christian
48:13
Blumenthal. Kristen Blumenthal or Scotty
48:15
James. Christian Blumenthal.
48:17
Kristen Blumenthal or Cristiano Ronaldo?
48:21
Christian Blumenthal. Christian.
48:22
Now he's going to be telling me to move on.
48:24
Yeah. Yeah.
48:24
High. Rights Christian Blumenthal or
48:26
Paula Radcliffe. Peak Paula.
48:28
Peak Paula doesn't what she like in carbons because she didn't
48:32
have a. Mate doesn't get enough credit
48:34
found incredible she does. OK, Paula Radcliffe, there's
48:41
method to this thinking OK, this now means I'm doing mixed double
48:43
S, which means it's quite easier for me.
48:45
I was probably doing product with Christian and she's.
48:48
Rapid. Oh, she's rapid.
48:50
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
48:51
Paula Radcliffe or Simone Biles. Paula Radcliffe, Paula Radcliffe
48:57
or Jensen Button. Paula.
48:58
Radcliffe, Paula. Radcliffe or Josh Kerr.
49:04
I can't be going back to Josh Kerr after dropping Christian.
49:07
It's got. I've got to stick with Paula.
49:09
OK. Paula Radcliffe or Sinead Bent.
49:14
I think I'd actually go Sinead because I think Paul is a faster
49:18
runner, but Sinead can actually help me elsewhere as well, and
49:20
not just bend the other. I help you.
49:22
She'll do everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:24
OK. Sinead bent or Jake did.
49:26
And. Do you want a mixed double S
49:31
race or do you want a pro DeVos in elite 5th I think.
49:34
Probably, yeah. I'd race a Sinead.
49:37
OK, Sinead or Nick Bear. Racing with Nick would be cool,
49:43
but Sinead? Think of the networking.
49:46
With me, yeah, I know. Yeah, so true.
49:47
OK. Sinead or Keely Hodgkinson.
49:51
Actually, the other reason I go Sinead is I couldn't deal with
49:53
the number of people showing. Go on more.
49:55
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I bet. So Sinead or Keely Hodgkinson,
49:59
oh, Sinead Kee Keeley would actually put me in the hospital.
50:05
For sure. OK Sinead or Truett Haynes, who
50:09
just ran what marathon? He ran a marathon somewhere.
50:14
He ran a 236 in jeans last weekend.
50:16
God, he's a weapon, isn't he? He'd wear jeans for sure for
50:19
high rocks. Yeah, and I'd I'd still be in
50:22
hospital. Just stick with Sinead.
50:29
Just purely for the cop, OK? I think it would be sick to do a
50:32
Jean. Tyrox So now we've got the final
50:35
one, who you're going to stick with, Sinead or Joanna Vitrix.
50:44
It's really, it's got to be Joanna, because Joanna's the
50:46
best in the world, yeah. I think so.
50:49
But I don't think I'd have very much fun, at least like I've met
50:53
Sinead in real life. She's she's got a personality.
50:56
I'd not say that Joanna doesn't, but like, she's, she's not
51:00
British. I don't know if she's that much
51:02
of A laugh. She's younger.
51:04
I just, I would honestly just feel really awkward the whole
51:07
race with Joanna, but I would go faster.
51:09
Yeah, So you, you selecting very competitive.
51:12
I'd go with Joanna Fair. OK, well, there's your partner.
51:14
That was easy. We went we it was a bit
51:16
emotional through the middle. But we thought that was a
51:18
journey. All right, so this time this or
51:21
that same format, but this time things that you'd like to win.
51:25
So by the end, it's got to be the the, the thing you want to
51:27
win the most. So I'm going to kick this off
51:30
the Super Bowl or the 100m Olympic final.
51:39
I hate myself saying this. They would definitely be the
51:43
Super Bowl. The coverage would be insane.
51:46
OK, Super Bowl or Rugby World Cup.
51:49
Super Bowl. Super Bowl or Football World
51:52
Cup? This is harder.
51:58
The soccer World Cup. Yeah, I think the football World
52:00
Cup. OK, football World Cup or
52:02
Wimbledon final. Football World Cup.
52:06
Football World Cup or the Masters?
52:13
This is the dumbest reasoning. I'd go the masters you have to.
52:17
I want to know they're. Playing Augusta, watching
52:19
yourself play well on that course.
52:20
But the main reason I get a green jacket, Yeah, yeah, green
52:24
going to be sick. And then like a place in the
52:27
clubhouse. Yeah, me and Rory hang out.
52:30
OK Masters or the Iron Man world champs?
52:34
Masters so I don't have to do the volume of training.
52:38
Masters or Berlin marathon winner?
52:42
On a hot day. Yeah, yeah, the hottest day.
52:46
The hottest day I'd still go masters.
52:49
OK. Masters or World's strongest
52:51
man? Masters if you if you're doing
52:54
World's Strongest Man, you're weird.
52:57
Masters or the Balandor? Oh, now, now then, I think the
53:08
Balandor. I think then you're the best.
53:10
You're the best footballer in the world and that's that's
53:12
generational. Well then this one's going to be
53:14
good. Bound or or the Formula One
53:16
World Championship. That's really.
53:24
Hard, because you've only got to that position out of daddy's
53:28
money. True.
53:30
I think I'd go Formula One. Yeah, Yeah, I think so.
53:34
Just as from from my personal interest levels and I think
53:38
you'd get way more out of being a Formula One world champ than
53:41
you would win the Balandor. Yeah, I think so as well.
53:44
Because like the number of tries and the calls.
53:46
Are way more people. Have won the Balandor.
53:48
I mean, if we look at like Michael Owen, I can't believe
53:50
that he won the Balandor, but he did and then his career like
53:53
tailed off badly and no one gives a fuck that he won the
53:55
Balandor whereas. Like no one knows, Yeah.
53:57
Yeah, yeah. If you won a drivers world
54:00
championship, people know. Yeah, yeah, Jensen Button one,
54:03
do I think. And now it's got into Hyrox.
54:06
And now he's in Horrocks, you know, and that's what he's
54:08
remembered like. It happened for the best spots.
54:10
Yeah, Yeah, that was good. I like let's go again so.
54:13
OK, Well, if you guys enjoyed that and you want to hear that
54:15
game further, I think we mentioned in the last episode
54:17
there's another game that we're going to do soon.
54:19
I think the price is right. So we might bring that into the
54:21
next episode. I'll get that prepped for you,
54:24
but any comments, any queries, anything like that, make sure
54:27
you are dropping them in the comments section below.
54:29
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54:32
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54:34
Let's take the sounds that you can.
54:35
If you can't go to YouTube and drop it there.
54:38
Otherwise, hit us up on Instagram at mindsets under
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sure you're sending us in your Guam.
54:45
My gears. It's been a little bit dry
54:46
recently and there is absolutely no chance that you guys are
54:48
happy. So if you are happy, you would
54:51
be. This is the podcast.
54:54
This is all gone so wrong. I think we're just going to end
54:56
the. Podcast there.
54:56
I think that's a good idea, I. Love seeing you guys here.
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We look forward to seeing you guys next week.