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Wisdom Wednesdays: Should the 'longevity molecules' NMN and NR be on your supplement list? · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another edition of Wisdom Wednesdays. Today
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  Speaker 1: we are going to have a look at a couple
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  Speaker 1: of supplements that are touted to increase longevity. And if
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  Speaker 1: you are interested in longevity space and you're on social media,
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  Speaker 1: your social media feed has probably been bombarded with adverts
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  Speaker 1: about these supplements. They are NMN and NR. Now, let's
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  Speaker 1: get the tricky stuff out of the way. First. NMN
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  Speaker 1: stands for nicotinamide monionucleotide and NAR stands for nicotinamide riboside. Now,
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  Speaker 1: they are both precursors to what's called NAD plus nicotinamide
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  Speaker 1: adenanine dye nucleotide, which is a bit of a mouthful,
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  Speaker 1: but NAD plus is basically a molecule that is critical
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  Speaker 1: for cellular energy and lots of different bodily function. Now,
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  Speaker 1: research suggests that some that these two supplements can be
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  Speaker 1: very beneficial in animal models for a range of age
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  Speaker 1: related diseases. And the reason that's purported is that our
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  Speaker 1: NAD levels kind of fall off a cliff in midlife,
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  Speaker 1: and some researchers and particularly social media influencers and think
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  Speaker 1: that taking na D and n R or sorry, NMN
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  Speaker 1: and NR are ways to offset that decline and to
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  Speaker 1: improve our quality of life. Now, NM and supplementation has
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  Speaker 1: been shown to improve metabolic function, increase endurance, and protect
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  Speaker 1: against cognitive decline in animal models and potentially could and
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  Speaker 1: contribute to increase lifespan and health span. And some studies
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  Speaker 1: again animal studies suggest that NMN can improve muscle strength
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  Speaker 1: and exercise capacity. NR has also shown some promise in
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  Speaker 1: animal models, with studies demonstrated and its ability to improve
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  Speaker 1: mitochondrial function, reduce inflammation, and protect against age related diseases.
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  Speaker 1: And it's also been shown NR and again in animal
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  Speaker 1: models to improve blood pressure and benefit skeletal muscle. And
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  Speaker 1: there's been a couple of small studies in humans sing
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  Speaker 1: that NR may improve blood pressure. But I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: focus in today on the idea of muscle strength and
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  Speaker 1: function because a lot of these influencers are saying that
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  Speaker 1: NMN and NR can actually preserve your muscle strength and
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  Speaker 1: your function and can offset syclopenia, which I've talked about
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  Speaker 1: numerous times. That's that loss of bone and muscle that
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  Speaker 1: happens when we age. But what does the research say
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  Speaker 1: in humans? This is critical. Now, there is established research
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  Speaker 1: in animal models, but there has recently been released a
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  Speaker 1: systematic review and meta analysis of ten randomized control trials. Right,
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  Speaker 1: so picking the well designed studies and they look at
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  Speaker 1: supplementation with NMN and NR and looking at muscle strength
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  Speaker 1: and physical function in older adults. Right, So, little bit
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  Speaker 1: of background, and we talked about cyclopedia that loss of
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  Speaker 1: muscle as you age has a multitude of negative consequences
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  Speaker 1: both for lifespan, how long you live, and particularly for
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  Speaker 1: your health span your quality of life. And we know
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  Speaker 1: that low muscle mass and strength, known as scyclopenia, worsens mobility,
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  Speaker 1: worsens quality of life, and increases the risk of our
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  Speaker 1: whole host of chronic diseases. And we know that that
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  Speaker 1: low muscle mass and strength as well as increasing a
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  Speaker 1: risk of falls, which are the fifth and sixth biggest
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  Speaker 1: killer of people in their sixties and seventies, and they
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  Speaker 1: also contribute to things like cardiovascular disease, type two diabetes,
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  Speaker 1: and Alzheimer's disease. So there obviously is a lot of
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  Speaker 1: interest in identifying any factors that can mitigate or offset
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  Speaker 1: aging associated muscle loss. And as I said, some researchers
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  Speaker 1: have proposed that muscle loss during aging can is partly
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  Speaker 1: due to a result of decline in the levels of
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  Speaker 1: NMN or sorry, NAD plus, and that replenishing NAD plus
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  Speaker 1: through NMN and n R because you can't take and
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  Speaker 1: if you take NAD plus, it's just a dried by
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  Speaker 1: your gut. So the theory is NMN and NR are precursors,
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  Speaker 1: they're converted into NAD plus and they do survive your gut,
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  Speaker 1: and so taking these things might help to mitigate and
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  Speaker 1: the muscle loss. So what did the study find. What
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  Speaker 1: they did is they looked, as I said, at a
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  Speaker 1: number of randomized control trials. Three of these trials looked
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  Speaker 1: at skeletal muscle mass index. Three of them looked at
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  Speaker 1: hand grip strength, which is a proxy for your overall
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  Speaker 1: strength and there's actually a very strong predictor of how
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  Speaker 1: long you're going to live. Four of them looked at
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  Speaker 1: gate speed walking speed. That again is a strong predictor
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  Speaker 1: in older adults of how long they're going to live.
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  Speaker 1: They also two of the studies looked at and they
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  Speaker 1: sit to stand at five times performance tests that's a
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  Speaker 1: test of leg strength and older adults. They also one
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  Speaker 1: of the studies looked at thirty seconds sit the stand
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  Speaker 1: performance how often you can do that in thirty seconds?
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  Speaker 1: Another study measured knee extension strength. Another study and did
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  Speaker 1: a short physical performance battery. Another study looks at chess
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  Speaker 1: press one r M, and another one looked at leg press,
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  Speaker 1: and then another study looked at thigh muscle mass. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So this is between the ten studies that obviously quite
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  Speaker 1: a few of them did a number of these different
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  Speaker 1: things and what they found in this systematic review in
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  Speaker 1: NETA analysis, no effect zero had no impact on any
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  Speaker 1: of those different variables that we talked about. And then
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  Speaker 1: there were looking at side that was the studies looking
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  Speaker 1: at NMN and then for n R supplementation looking at
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  Speaker 1: the randomized control studies. Of those, two of them looked
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  Speaker 1: at six minute walking distance. That's a measure of euer
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  Speaker 1: aerobic capacity. Again when you're an older adult, a significant
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  Speaker 1: predictor of how long you're going to live. Two of
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  Speaker 1: the studies had a short physical performance battery, two of
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  Speaker 1: them looked at hand grip strength, and two of them
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  Speaker 1: looked at the five times sit to stand test, and
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  Speaker 1: basically there were very little effects. One of them showed
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  Speaker 1: improved performance in the six minute walking distance. But I've
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  Speaker 1: actually looked at that study that was in an industry
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  Speaker 1: sponsored study, so you always have to be worry of
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  Speaker 1: these things. The other study showed no effect. And this
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  Speaker 1: is what we have to see is consistency across studies
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  Speaker 1: and particularly of positive effects. If you're thinking that things
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  Speaker 1: are going to be beneficial. In the short physical performance battery,
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  Speaker 1: there was no effect in one study and performance actually
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  Speaker 1: worsened in another study. The hand grip strength no impact.
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  Speaker 1: And then the five time sit to stand tests for
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  Speaker 1: NR less improvement than the placebo in one study and
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  Speaker 1: no effect in another study. So basically what this systematic
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  Speaker 1: review and meta analysis of randomized control trials. And that's
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  Speaker 1: critical because there are other bits of research out there
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  Speaker 1: that are typically sponsored by industry that are showing beneficial
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  Speaker 1: effects of NMN and NAR on physical function in adults,
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  Speaker 1: but they're very small studies and they're industry sponsored, and
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  Speaker 1: they're not randomized control trials, so not quality evidence. So
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  Speaker 1: what does this tell us? Well, look for me, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear right here that the current evidence
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  Speaker 1: does not support a positive effect of either NMN or
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  Speaker 1: NR supplementation on muscle health or physical function in older adults.
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  Speaker 1: And now having said that, and there is a possibility
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  Speaker 1: that the doses may not have been enough in these studies,
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  Speaker 1: So it can't rule list off out completely, especially because
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  Speaker 1: they've been seen in animal studies, but and not all
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  Speaker 1: animal studies translate over to humans, and there could be
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  Speaker 1: that there are other effects of NMN and NR on
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  Speaker 1: metabolic function and things like that. And however, and for me,
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  Speaker 1: the evidence just is not there at the minute, and
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  Speaker 1: it's certainly not there at the level that you will
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  Speaker 1: see all of these influencers tighting about how brilliant NMN
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  Speaker 1: is in NR is and how it's transformed their lives,
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  Speaker 1: and we just do not have the evidence of that yet.
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  Speaker 1: My take on this, I am keeping an eye on
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  Speaker 1: it because I think this is an interesting space. There's
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  Speaker 1: good theoretical stuff behind both of these supplements. I know
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  Speaker 1: that na D plus when that drops off, does have
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  Speaker 1: significant effects, and we do see benefits in animal studies.
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  Speaker 1: But for me, the research is just not there. And
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to spend your dollars on supplementation, I
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  Speaker 1: would definitely be prioritizing vitamin D supplementation and AMIGA three
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  Speaker 1: fatty acids. And if you want more detail on that,
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  Speaker 1: just listen to the podcast that I did last Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: So the podcast before this with Amelia Phillips were we
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  Speaker 1: dive into the research around those two supplements of randomized
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  Speaker 1: control trials and it is pretty astounding. So for me,
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  Speaker 1: let's get the basics right. Let's get the fundamentals right
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  Speaker 1: of doing your exercise, eating well, sleeping well, then adding
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  Speaker 1: in things that could evidence be of stuff such as
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  Speaker 1: vitamin D and Amiga three fatty acids, and then just
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  Speaker 1: hold the rest of your money in your pocket, particularly
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to NMN and n R until you
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  Speaker 1: see better advice, because it just might be that you're
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  Speaker 1: spending your money on expensive piss one