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Unfollow the Life You’ll Never Live · Mostly Offline

0:16
Justin: Welcome to Mostly Offline, the podcast about being a little less online and a little more present.
0:20
Justin: I'm Justin.
0:21
Maria: And I'm Maria.
0:21
Maria: We are going to talk about phones, social media, and all the ways being constantly connected can start to feel like a lot.
0:27
Justin: Today we're going to be talking about who you follow and how that might be affecting you, even if you don't feel like it is.
0:32
Maria: I feel like it really does affect you more than you think.
0:34
Maria: So, Justin, I want you to talk about who are you following on social media right now?
0:40
Maria: Have you found some influencers that you're following that you're kind of like, this person isn't really making me feel great?
0:46
Justin: Oh my God.
0:47
Justin: I don't.
0:48
Justin: Yeah, I mean, there's probably people that I have followed that don't make me feel great.
0:54
Justin: I mean, we talked about last week where we talked about how you're f like I follow a lot of gym influencers, or they come up on my for you page.
1:02
Justin: And it's like those people don't make me feel good because I'm like striving for something that's maybe unachievable.
1:07
Justin: And not unachievable because I can't do it, but because they're younger than me.
1:12
Justin: And it's just easier for them, or they're five foot eight, and it's easy for them to put on muscle, right?
1:17
Justin: But I do have some like favorite influencers.
1:19
Justin: I would say like I follow a lot of like oh my god, do you know, do you know like Brooke and Connor make a podcast?
1:26
Maria: No.
1:26
Justin: It's like at Fibula.
1:28
Justin: Connor, what's his last name?
1:30
Justin: Connor something.
1:32
Justin: He's so funny.
1:33
Justin: Me and him used to like we would like get into like Twitter exchanges.
1:37
Justin: Like he would be like he was like really obsessed with like sunken living rooms for a while, and I was like, look at this sunken living room.
1:42
Justin: And he would like respond to me.
1:44
Justin: And he's actually like so wholesome.
1:45
Justin: He's on Dancing with the Stars right now.
1:47
Maria: Oh.
1:48
Justin: Yeah.
1:48
Justin: But him and Brooke, I don't know her last name either, but they make a con a podcast called Brooke and Carter make a podcast.
1:54
Justin: It's like a pop culture podcast, and he's so funny.
1:56
Justin: Oh my god.
1:57
Justin: I'm kind of obsessed with him.
1:58
Justin: But yeah, he's like wholesome.
2:00
Justin: He's not like a he's not like an evil.
2:03
Justin: I don't know.
2:04
Justin: I feel like not evil.
2:05
Justin: I don't want to say evil because influencers are not necessarily evil, but he's not like trying to sell me something.
2:09
Maria: Yeah, he's like doing it because he's passionate about it.
2:12
Justin: Yeah.
2:20
Maria: I feel like to hop onto the fitness one, I feel like it's really hard for me sometimes, especially when it comes to super aesthetic content, because it is super fun to consume it.
2:31
Maria: And it is super fun to see somebody that's like jacked and they're talking about their experience on how they've lost the weight or what they're doing to lose the weight.
2:39
Maria: But I find some of those videos, it really ergs me because as a personal trainer as well, number one, some people are uneducated and they're sharing things that just aren't realistic.
2:51
Maria: And number two, as fitness influencer and talking to other people in the space, some people that I know they'll lose weight because of a traumatic event like a breakup or their boyfriends cheating on them.
3:04
Maria: They lose a ton of weight.
3:05
Maria: They look really good, but they're not mentally doing well.
3:08
Maria: And they'll pop on front of their screen and be like, oh my gosh, this is how I lost the weight and this is what you need to do.
3:15
Maria: And it's like, girl, you're mentally unwell, and it's okay that you're mentally unwell, but you shouldn't be giving people advice or saying, oh, because I was eating this or because I was doing this, this is how I got those results.
3:26
Maria: Because I feel like, especially working in nine to five and working out, realistically, your body, you can put as much time and effort in as you can, but at some point you can't put in as much as people that are just going to university.
3:41
Maria: Because if you still want to see your friends and you still want to have a life, you can't commit to that extent.
3:46
Justin: Yeah, like I think I don't think we give enough credit to like sometimes people are in really good shape because of depression.
3:54
Justin: Like, I the reason I'm in good shape is that I was struggling with depression, and the one thing that made me happy was like going to the gym and that dopamine.
4:02
Justin: And so I spent so much time in the gym.
4:05
Justin: Like, I don't spend as much time in the gym anymore, but I used to spend like two to three hours in the gym every day.
4:10
Justin: Like, and it was because I liked being at the gym.
4:13
Justin: It was a place where I could just like do my own thing.
4:16
Justin: I was respected, people looked at me to me for advice.
4:20
Justin: And if you have a good gym, it's a place where you can feel really safe.
4:24
Justin: But I wasn't there because I wanted to be hot.
4:27
Justin: I want I was there because I was depressed and I was looking for anything to like.
4:31
Maria: And I guess maybe like I did obviously want to look better, but but I also feel like influencers, like for instance, Alex Earl.
4:38
Maria: I really like Alex Earl.
4:40
Maria: I really like her content.
4:41
Maria: I feel like she is wholesome, but I had to unfollow Alex Earl because I was like, realistically, I want to look like you.
4:51
Maria: We have completely different body types.
4:53
Maria: You are super skinny mini, and like she's really open about her breakup with Braxton, which I really appreciate and like the things that she's been doing.
5:04
Maria: Then she went on dancing with the stars.
5:07
Maria: But I just couldn't follow her because I feel like anytime that I was following or watching your content, I was comparing myself to her.
5:15
Maria: And I feel like people that may be wholesome or like relatable, if you find yourself comparing yourself to them, you should immediately unfollow if it's making you like degrade yourself and you need to really fix the way that you're talking to yourself.
5:31
Justin: Yeah, I think if you if you're finding yourself comparing to yourself to if you're finding yourself comparing yourself to someone who you follow, that's not healthy because, like we said last week, comparison is the thief of joy.
5:44
Justin: You should be doing these things for yourself.
5:47
Justin: I don't think I follow anyone that I'm like, oh my god, I'm comparing myself to.
5:51
Justin: I follow a lot of like Formula One drivers.
5:54
Justin: I follow social media for me is like a choice that I make.
5:57
Justin: I want to see my friends and I want to see topics I'm interested in, but that's taken a long time.
6:02
Justin: Like I used to follow a lot of people that just based on like conventional attractiveness, and now I'm following people that's like I guess I'm following more like wholesome creators.
6:13
Justin: There's this couple on TikTok, Griffin and Spencer.
6:16
Justin: They're like these two gays and they live in like Austin, I think, or something, but they're super cute, and they're just like it's like a really healthy relationship.
6:24
Justin: So, like, those are the kind of people I'm following.
6:26
Justin: Whereas like when I was single, I was following like crazy party people, right?
6:30
Justin: And like, because I guess it's like a lifestyle.
6:32
Justin: You're like mirroring your projecting, I guess.
6:35
Justin: I don't know.
6:36
Maria: But I feel like it also sucks because say that you find somebody that's wholesome.
6:39
Maria: This has happened to me.
6:40
Maria: I follow them, I'm like, I like their content, it's making me feel good.
6:44
Maria: Bam, they're an actual influencer, influencer.
6:48
Maria: They're getting sent so much PR that they're legally obligated to make videos about and be like, oh, this was really good or this was really bad.
6:57
Maria: Regardless, that automatically makes you feel like you should spend money or like buy these things.
7:02
Maria: And I hate that.
7:04
Maria: And also to tie it back to Alex Earl because she is so big right now and no hate on Alex Earl at all.
7:09
Maria: I actually do like her as an influencer, but it's like her apartment, her family was already wealthy before.
7:17
Maria: The things that she has are not mainstream, which engages you to watch.
7:21
Maria: But at the end of the day, isn't it better to just be oblivious and not realize that people have those things?
7:26
Maria: Because I feel like living in a small town, we would drive into Calgary to like grab stuff and then come back.
7:34
Maria: And my family, we didn't have cable or anything.
7:36
Maria: So I wasn't constantly being marketed these things.
7:39
Maria: If I knew that these crazy Tamagotchis were available in Calgary, if I knew that like Hollister and Amber Crombie dropped new sweaters, new shirts, new jeans, I would have been all over that and I would have had FOMO and been like, we need to drive to Calgary right now.
7:54
Maria: And I feel like having your phone accessible and seeing these things that you wouldn't normally see, I don't think it's actually good for you to like it's good for you to realize people are at that level of wealth, but I feel like people are so interested in that that that's the content that's getting pushed, and I feel like it's really unhealthy.
8:11
Justin: Yeah, for sure.
8:12
Justin: And also I feel like everyone's trying to be an influencer, and so there's just so much content being pushed out and pushed out and pushed out, and it's like we not everyone can be influencers, that's not gonna work, right?
8:25
Justin: Like, and I know like you and I aren't trying to like be influencers with the podcast, we're just trying to talk about things that we've been going through.
8:32
Justin: So it's like you can't, but it's hard because people everyone wants to be an influencer, everyone wants to work for a brand, right?
8:40
Maria: But I mean, like, why wouldn't you?
8:42
Maria: You get sent free stuff, you have to make videos about things that you're interested in and your niche.
8:48
Maria: It's like if you love makeup and you're like, I want to be a makeup artist, it's like obviously you would do social media and you want to be an influencer, you're gonna get sent so much free stuff, you're gonna get clients like calling you up, messaging you.
9:01
Maria: I just feel like I don't know what's gonna happen with influencers.
9:04
Maria: Like, do you think that they're gonna stay or do you think they're gonna go?
9:07
Justin: It's hard to say because in the society we live in, it's very capitalist, and you have to, these brands want to sell their stuff, right?
9:16
Justin: And it's a it's working, it's a good ad space for them.
9:20
Justin: They're they're paying people to advertise their products and people are buying them.
9:24
Justin: I know, like, I mean, people come over to my house all the time, like, where'd you get this?
9:28
Justin: Where'd you get that?
9:29
Justin: And it's like, well, I got it here, but like I'm not an influencer for these things, but like I think it's very easy to be one of those people, and like everybody wants the newest things.
9:41
Maria: We don't.
9:43
Justin: No, like I used to, I mean, I used to when I worked in tech, and obviously I still work in tech, but I'm looking at it a little differently.
9:49
Justin: But when I was like big in tech, I would buy a new iPhone every year, and now I'm kind of like looking at it as like, do I need a new iPhone this year?
9:58
Justin: I don't think I do, right?
10:00
Justin: So it's like, but then I see all my social media, it's like everyone's rushing out to get a new iPhone.
10:06
Justin: You have an iPhone 17 Pro, the iPhone 18 Pro comes out, it has one new feature, and everybody's spending $2,000 on their new phone, and they're like, this is totally normal.
10:17
Maria: But I also feel like this is with relationships too.
10:19
Maria: Like people don't want to fix things anymore.
10:22
Maria: They don't want to, if it's broken, throw it out and throw it far.
10:27
Maria: Like they don't want to see it anywhere.
10:29
Maria: It's with objects that they're purchasing, but also with relationships in the sense of, oh, say that there's a disagreement or like something happened instead of sitting down and talking it out with someone.
10:39
Maria: I feel like a lot of people have lost a social skill to do that.
10:43
Maria: And they just are like, eh, I'll just find new friends, or eh, I'll just do something new.
10:47
Maria: And I feel like the accessibility is really ruining like a lot of things.
10:52
Maria: Like, I feel like things were also it, they felt a lot more special if it took time for someone to make it.
11:00
Maria: Versus now, if you want something, you can literally order it online, it's at your door immediately.
11:06
Maria: Like, I feel like that's why there's that whole trad wife trend going around, is because people are starting to realize that if you put effort and energy into something, it takes a little bit more time.
11:19
Maria: You feel better when you're looking at it because you're like, I spent the time to make that.
11:24
Maria: And when you give it as a gift, people are like, oh, you actually spent the time versus clicking a button on Amazon, getting it at your doorstep like right away.
11:32
Maria: Like, I hate, I love prime shipping, but I hate prime shipping.
11:36
Maria: I feel like things should not be that accessible.
11:39
Justin: I think I, yeah, I don't think so either.
11:41
Justin: I think we need to be more patient.
11:44
Justin: I like things that I've made far more than things I've bought, right?
11:49
Justin: Like I do, I do try to make things right now.
11:51
Justin: I'm kind of like crafty a little bit, but the odd time I'll make something and it's like so cute, and I'm like, oh my god, I love this.
11:57
Justin: If I've spent time doing it, I anyone can buy something, right?
12:03
Justin: It takes time for you to to build something or to to to oh my god, I'm losing my train of thought.
12:10
Justin: It takes time to like curate something or like find a collection of things, and I think it's same thing with like people when they're like, oh, what do you want for your birthday?
12:19
Justin: This is a hot take, but like if you don't know me well enough to know what I want for my birthday, don't buy me a gift.
12:26
Justin: I don't want whatever I can tell you to order me on Amazon.
12:30
Justin: I want something that you've that you've thought about and you think like, wow, Justin would really like this, or like you see something and you're like, oh my god, this would be so cute.
12:37
Justin: You got me that pigeon journal.
12:39
Justin: No one knows that, other than like my close friends that I'm like obsessed with pigeons, but like you knew me well enough to be like, here, get this pigeon journal, right?
12:47
Justin: Like Max is like that too.
12:48
Justin: He gets me things that he's like that are like the cutest little things, but they're dumb.
12:52
Justin: No one would ever know that I like them.
12:54
Maria: And I also feel like to go off of that as well, like for content, I feel like now it's being so personalized.
13:01
Maria: Like, what is your niche?
13:02
Maria: Who's your target market?
13:03
Maria: What are you doing?
13:04
Maria: And obviously that's working for some people and it's getting overcondensed.
13:08
Maria: But it's also for somebody watching an influencer grow and they're like, okay, I want to do a niche, I want to grow, I want this to be my thing.
13:17
Maria: I feel like a lot of people have lost that creativity.
13:20
Maria: So when it comes to actually making content, they're just copying other people's video and they don't actually know who they are.
13:27
Maria: Like they're looking at themselves and they're like, okay, well, I like these five influencers, and I'm gonna look go look at their five top performing videos.
13:36
Maria: And so I'm gonna try to copy those videos.
13:39
Maria: It's like, girl, be so for real right now.
13:42
Maria: What do you actually like?
13:43
Maria: How do you actually want to portray yourself?
13:45
Maria: Stop just like cookie-cuttering the same social media content over and over and over again.
13:51
Maria: And I also feel like an issue to that is because the get ready vlogs or people being so wealthy, like to an unattainable standard that are posting on social media, when people watch that, they think that their life is boring and they just automatically are like, I'm boring.
14:07
Justin: Yeah, I think like we talked a little bit about that last week too.
14:10
Justin: It's like your Instagram is kind of like the most exciting snippets of your life.
14:18
Justin: It's like a highlight reel, right?
14:19
Justin: Like my Instagram, I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and say that my Instagram is like totally authentically me.
14:24
Justin: You know what I mean?
14:25
Justin: Like it's only the best pictures.
14:26
Justin: I've edited them, made myself look good.
14:29
Justin: But that's because that's what everybody else does.
14:32
Justin: But you're not posting, I'm not posting the times when I'm sad.
14:36
Justin: I'm only posting the times when I'm like on a boat in Australia.
14:39
Justin: Like, woo, you know what I mean?
14:40
Justin: Like it's like it's so fake, but I think everybody does it and society does it.
14:44
Justin: You're only like when you get, I feel like a lot of people when they're buying something, they're buying it because they've been told to buy it, not because they want it, right?
14:55
Justin: Like I find a lot of things I I really search for and like try to find things that I really want, but a lot of people just buy things because society's telling them to buy them.
15:05
Justin: Max is looking for a camera for his trip, and he's like, I need the Canon G7X because that's all the camera that all the influencers are using.
15:14
Justin: And I was like, I'm a camera guy, so he asked me, and I was like, I own a few cameras, so I was doing some research and I was like, the Sony, I don't can't remember what the model is, but the Sony has the exact same sensor.
15:26
Justin: The zoom's a little different, it's like 70 millimeter instead of 100 millimeter, but it's a third of the price.
15:32
Justin: And it's like you don't need the G7X.
15:35
Justin: You can buy, if you do a little research, you can find the exact same thing, but it's not the one that everybody else has.
15:40
Justin: So if that's important to you, you have to consider that.
15:43
Maria: But it's the same thing as I told Nick, if you ever catch me in flare pants, literally slap me in the face.
15:50
Maria: Like, because now those are coming into style and it's in the fitness realm.
15:55
Maria: And I have been looking at flare pants and I'm like, do I want a pair of these?
16:00
Maria: Like, no, I don't.
16:02
Maria: A few months ago, I said, no, no, no, no, no.
16:04
Maria: And now I'm seeing all of these influencers that I like going to the gym wearing them.
16:09
Maria: And I'm like, wait, are they cute?
16:10
Maria: Like it makes you second guess yourself and like gaslight yourself.
16:13
Maria: And the more you see something, the more I think that you want it.
16:16
Maria: So even if it's a makeup product where it's like people are like, this is trash, this is trash, and then there's one video that's like, oh, I actually really like this product.
16:25
Maria: You're thinking about that product.
16:27
Maria: And so whether it's bad media or good media, it's actually good for the product because it's getting pushed out regardless if it's negative or positive.
16:35
Justin: Yeah.
16:36
Justin: Flare pants are bell bottoms, question mark.
16:38
Maria: No, like you know, the they're like gym attire pants, but the bottom like is wider.
16:44
Justin: I hate that.
16:45
Justin: I hate it.
16:46
Justin: Do you know what I'm talking about?
16:46
Justin: I'm like, I'm gonna look up my flare.
16:48
Maria: Look it up, look up to find and it will show you the pants that I've been looking at.
16:53
Justin: Flare pants.
16:54
Maria: They're not flare, they're like, I don't know how to describe them, but they're not leggings, like they're not hugging your ankles.
17:00
Justin: So my thing with that is like as a fitness person, one, I don't want loose fabric at the gym.
17:07
Justin: Like shorts, sure, but around my ankles, I don't really want loose fabric because it's gonna get caught on things.
17:12
Maria: I know.
17:12
Justin: Like, I like a tight pant.
17:14
Justin: Oh, I hate these.
17:14
Justin: These are bell bottoms.
17:15
Justin: Yeah, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
17:18
Maria: So they're pushing these everywhere now.
17:20
Maria: And it's to the point where I'm seeing them and I'm like, wait, are they actually kind of cute?
17:24
Maria: And I'm like, no, they're not cute.
17:26
Maria: I just think that they're cute because the brands that I like are pushing them out.
17:31
Justin: Yeah, I hate them.
17:32
Justin: But I mean, some things aren't for everyone.
17:35
Justin: Like you're saying, skincare.
17:36
Justin: It's it's so funny when people are like, oh, skincare.
17:39
Justin: My influencer told me this influencer told me that I need to get this skincare thing.
17:45
Justin: You don't have the same skin as that person.
17:48
Maria: Like, I know, and you can damage your skin barrier by doing that.
17:52
Justin: Like, my skincare routine is kind of intense, but it's taken me years to like curate it, and people are always like, What's your routine?
17:59
Justin: What's your routine?
18:00
Justin: And I'm like, I'll give you the list of products I use, but you need to research these on your own and you need to ease into it.
18:06
Justin: Like, I use retinol every other day.
18:08
Justin: You can't just use retinol every other day, and like you gotta wear sunscreen.
18:12
Justin: We live in one of the sunniest cities in North America.
18:14
Justin: Like, you can't do these things, but people they just want my routine because it's easy, and then they're gonna damage their skin because they think it's like a shortcut, like they don't have to do the work.
18:25
Maria: And this is the same for fitness.
18:27
Maria: Sorry to cut you off, but like if there's an influencer that has a body type that you would like, it's like their workout split might not work for you.
18:37
Maria: What they're eating might not work for you.
18:39
Maria: Like everybody is individual, but I feel like it's morphed into like on social media, oh, you like crafts, so you must be exactly like this person.
18:48
Maria: Yeah, do you know what I mean?
18:49
Justin: Yeah, there's like fitness influencers that I follow, and I they're like, oh, here's my workout, and I will save it because I like some of the things they're doing, like they're different, but I'm not gonna like just do their workout routine because I'm not them.
19:01
Maria: So, what's the difference between content that inspires you and content that makes you feel bad?
19:07
Maria: Like, what would you say?
19:09
Justin: I would say, oh, that's a good question.
19:13
Maria: Because I feel like for me, content that actually inspires me is when people are real.
19:18
Maria: Like for right now, I'm making content like this as well.
19:21
Maria: But sitting down and being like, you know what, this might be controversial, but I'm really over and I teach Pilates.
19:29
Maria: I'm really over the Pilates body.
19:31
Maria: I'm never going to look that skinny, even if I was on Ozempic.
19:36
Maria: There's no freaking way my body would ever be like that.
19:39
Maria: Like I have really big biceps, I can grow my muscles like quite large, just genetically.
19:45
Maria: It's always been like that.
19:47
Maria: My arms are not going to be teeny tiny.
19:49
Maria: And I feel like women to understand that is really important and to know that you're not alone in feeling targeted or feeling like you can't attain something.
20:00
Maria: I feel like people being real online and showing their struggles and actually talking about them and being genuine.
20:08
Maria: But then again, that comes at a cost because it's really scary to do that.
20:12
Maria: Because if you're sharing things that are controversial, you can get canceled so quickly.
20:16
Justin: Yeah.
20:17
Justin: I think being real is important.
20:18
Justin: Like, I think that's probably one of the things that I find the most inspiring too is when people are like truthful about their stuff.
20:26
Justin: Like these influencers, not influencers, I guess, but these people that are like sharing their weight loss journey.
20:32
Justin: I love those things.
20:33
Justin: Like there was this guy, oh, must have been two years ago.
20:36
Justin: I need to like look back and see how he's doing.
20:38
Justin: But he was like, I'm gonna, he was, he was like 400 pounds, I think.
20:42
Justin: And he's like, I'm gonna start just walking 2,000 steps a day, 4,000 steps a day, 6,000 steps a day, 8,000 steps a day.
20:49
Justin: And this guy was shedding weight, like 20 pounds here, 30 pounds here.
20:53
Justin: And I think that that stuff is so inspiring because it's like the only person that can do that is you.
20:58
Justin: You can't buy that.
20:59
Justin: You can get as many surgeries as you want, but you can't buy the dedication and determination to do that yourself.
21:06
Maria: And that's what I think the next trend is gonna be, to be honest, is influencers having muscle because you can't buy muscle.
21:12
Maria: And if you're not lifting heavily or like strength training, it's gonna decrease your bone density if you're getting that skinny.
21:21
Maria: And there's gonna be so many long-term health side effects from taking Ozempic and getting that skinny.
21:27
Maria: I just can't.
21:28
Justin: I could talk about that, yeah, we don't for so long.
21:31
Maria: But even what is it called when you get the fat in your cheeks removed?
21:34
Justin: Oh, I have no idea.
21:35
Maria: Like you want fat in your face when you age, that's what's gonna help you age better and look better.
21:41
Maria: If you get the fat removed from your face and you're gonna lose weight because you're getting old, you're gonna look like really unwell.
21:50
Maria: You're not gonna be looking good.
21:52
Justin: We talked about that last week how, like, you can't buy muscle, and like that might be something that the influencers try to do next.
21:59
Justin: I think.
21:59
Justin: You can't buy muscle.
22:02
Justin: And a lot of people.
22:03
Justin: Oh, I lost my train of thought again.
22:05
Maria: Actually, I did find out something really disturbing.
22:08
Justin: What is it?
22:08
Maria: And I'm going to say this.
22:10
Maria: So I found out that there's a new procedure where you can get actually cadavers, which is a dead person.
22:19
Maria: They're sucking their fat and they're injecting it into people's butts so they look bigger or injecting it into people.
22:28
Maria: Oh my god.
22:29
Justin: That's like a new BBL.
22:32
Maria: I know it's like disgusting.
22:34
Maria: I can't handle it.
22:35
Maria: Like, is it really gotten to that level of you need to look a certain way?
22:40
Maria: So we're literally gonna suck fat and shove it in you.
22:43
Maria: Like, that's disgusting.
22:45
Justin: Yeah, that's sickening.
22:46
Maria: I'm so sorry.
22:47
Maria: Like, that's actually horrific.
22:50
Justin: That is sickening.
22:50
Justin: Also, I think too, people don't realize a lot of times, and this goes to like being real, and maybe I need to be more real with people, but like a lot of times people will ask me, like, what why do you work out so much?
23:03
Justin: Like, what's your goal?
23:04
Justin: And it's like, my goal is so that is that I would like to be able to get off the toilet without assistance when I'm 80.
23:10
Maria: Correct.
23:11
Justin: That's my goal.
23:12
Justin: My goal is not to look good.
23:13
Justin: Looking good is a side effect of being healthy.
23:16
Justin: And the reason I go to the gym is because I would like to be able to stand up without having a live-in caretaker when I'm 80 years old.
23:23
Justin: I want to be able to take care of myself.
23:25
Justin: Because I've I've watched from like my grandparents' age and I've watched like just how weak they've gotten.
23:31
Justin: And it's it's really sad.
23:33
Justin: That's the kind of stuff I want to help people with.
23:35
Maria: That's actually one of the main reasons why people go into aged care facilities is because they can't get off the toilet.
23:41
Maria: And I also think, what's the point of being retired if all you can do is sit in a chair?
23:45
Maria: Do you know how bored you're gonna be?
23:48
Justin: Yeah.
23:48
Justin: Like I know, I think people kind of like work their whole lives away to just sit around and wait to die.
23:55
Justin: I know that sounds horrible, but a lot of times I think people work so hard and then they have no ability to enjoy their retirement and then they die because they don't have a purpose.
24:06
Justin: And like you need that.
24:08
Maria: I was just gonna pop up on here as well and just say to come back to it.
24:12
Maria: Influencers are getting so smart about selling products to you as well.
24:17
Maria: So I feel like me knowing if it's content that inspires me or content that makes me feel bad, a big part of it is knowing if content creators actually selling me something to profit off of it, or if they're actually sharing their stories and real life experiences.
24:33
Maria: But it's so hard right now because content creators are making videos on like this is how you sell something to someone without them even knowing.
24:41
Maria: This is how you create connections.
24:43
Maria: The way you sell is to make a community and to share stories.
24:47
Maria: And that actually really scares me and it makes me feel really violated.
24:51
Justin: Yeah.
24:51
Justin: In the I know in like the US, they have to legally say when they're when they when it's an ad, when it's paid posts.
25:00
Justin: I don't know what the rules are in Canada, but I do think we need to kind of look at like if someone's trying to push something to you on social media, it's probably because they're getting something for it, right?
25:13
Justin: Like, I'm not posting about the soap in my bathroom.
25:17
Justin: That's my favorite soap in the entire world.
25:18
Justin: I love that soap.
25:19
Justin: I love that soap.
25:20
Justin: And I will buy that soap until the day I die.
25:22
Justin: I'm not even gonna say the name on the podcast because I don't want to.
25:24
Justin: I'm not selling in the product, but I will buy that soap forever.
25:28
Justin: It's my favorite soap, but I'm not posting about it because they're not paying me, right?
25:34
Justin: And like that's the thing, is like I'm not gonna like tell you you should go buy that soap.
25:38
Justin: And I'm not gonna tell our listeners that because it's my choice if I want it.
25:42
Justin: I don't know.
25:43
Justin: I think you should go out and find things yourself and like find the soap you like.
25:47
Justin: Just because I like a soap doesn't mean you have to like a soap.
25:50
Maria: I think so too.
25:51
Maria: It's just, I don't know.
25:53
Maria: I don't know, Justin.
25:54
Maria: It's just getting really icky out there.
25:56
Justin: It's we live in this world where it's like the only way you can get ahead is to kind of sell your soul and be evil.
26:04
Justin: And I think we need to kind of take a step back and say, like, are we all actually okay with this as a society?
26:12
Maria: If we started to shame people in society for things, it would change.
26:17
Maria: For instance, I used to work at Lululemon and people would come in and they would raid the store.
26:21
Maria: They would come in with IKEA bags and they would steal all this merchandise, and I would have to just stand there and I would, as soon as they left, I would have to be like, Yeah, so they just stole like five grand of merchandise, whatever it was.
26:33
Maria: And you couldn't say anything about this person stealing.
26:37
Maria: All these people are in the store, they're watching this happen.
26:40
Maria: Now, if the whole mall, the whole mall looked at this person and was like, What are you doing?
26:46
Maria: Stop 10 people in this room, okay?
26:50
Maria: That person would probably panic and they may escalate things, but people would eventually, I don't want to say it would stop crime, but I feel like it would limit crime.
27:01
Maria: Just standing there and just being like, Oh, this is how it is, and we're just gonna accept this, and we don't want them to hurt anyone.
27:07
Maria: I understand where that thinking is coming from, but it's also there has to be a level of social shame, and there has to be a level of social shame too for influencers.
27:16
Maria: For instance, there's some fitness influencers, I'm not gonna say their name, but they were super big, and then it came out that they were selling steroids, and they just put their account on private for 30 days, started to repost.
27:29
Maria: Do you think that people still were listening to them, still taking their advice?
27:34
Maria: Yeah, they were.
27:35
Maria: Why weren't they completely banned?
27:37
Maria: Why weren't they socially shamed for lying?
27:40
Maria: That's another thing, too, is it's just there has to be stronger laws on what you're promoting, what you're selling, has to be legit.
27:48
Maria: You can't keep just viewing out this crap.
27:51
Maria: Like it's just the internet, too.
27:54
Maria: It used to be so fast to get the correct answer.
27:58
Maria: You would search it up, you would find it.
27:59
Maria: But now when you look up creator insights or you're looking up certain things on TikTok or the niches, you're getting so much crap.
28:08
Maria: Like for fitness, for instance, if you just search up a good workout routine, the workout routines that you're getting are made by AI, they are not good.
28:15
Maria: If you actually haven't been going to the gym, you don't know how to do the proper form, you don't know what to do.
28:20
Maria: Taking that is not the solution.
28:23
Justin: Yeah.
28:24
Justin: If you're if I think AI is great for a lot of like menial tasks, but you you can't you can't make AI into a into your personal trainer.
28:37
Justin: I had a personal trainer for years.
28:39
Justin: That's where I learned all the things that I'm that I've learned to be able to make my own workouts.
28:44
Justin: And like, do I use AI to make my workouts?
28:46
Justin: Yes, I do.
28:46
Justin: But I use AI to analyze the past five years of my workouts and pump that all in there, and then I work with it, and it still takes me two or three hours because I'm working with it as like a sounding board and I'm rechanging things, and I'm not just taking the first thing it spits out and going to the gym.
29:04
Justin: I'm working with it and I'm I'm letting it do like the busybody work.
29:08
Justin: Like, I don't want to find all these exercises and structure the workout plan.
29:11
Justin: So it's doing that, and then I'm like, well, this you said this, that's not true.
29:16
Justin: Like, this isn't gonna help with this muscle.
29:19
Justin: You're wrong.
29:20
Justin: And it's like you have to be able to know those things.
29:22
Justin: That's where like a personal trainer.
29:23
Justin: If you're thinking about getting a personal trainer, it's like one of the best things you could do, honestly.
29:29
Justin: Like, and that's not a plug for anyone.
29:31
Justin: My personal trainer was amazing, he's one of my closest friends.
29:34
Justin: I officiated his wedding.
29:35
Justin: Like, we are super close, but I still will send him my workouts and be like, hey, am I like crazy with this?
29:42
Justin: Like, and he'll like tell give me feedback on the structure.
29:45
Justin: And it's amazing to have someone like that in your life, but those aren't things you can get from AI because AI actually doesn't know, it's just a random word generator.
29:54
Maria: And I just wanted to say too, I feel like watching influencers, especially influencers that are making you feel bad, this is a toxic relationship.
30:02
Maria: And I feel like we want to give you permission to break up with those influencers just as easily as you gave them a platform, you can take it away and you can unfollow.
30:11
Maria: And I feel like the more mental notes of is this influencer actually here to help, or is this influencer being kind of evil and doing things that I don't morally agree with?
30:24
Maria: You can take their platform away, and I think that you should.
30:27
Justin: Especially when likes and followers are the social currency.
30:31
Justin: You, if someone's lying, why are you following them?
30:34
Justin: They're not even trying to hide it anymore.
30:36
Justin: There's an influencer I was following, or not following, but comes up on my for you page, and he's jacked.
30:43
Justin: I'll give him credit.
30:44
Justin: But credit for what?
30:45
Justin: Because he's selling peptides in his bio.
30:48
Justin: Like, and not even trying to hide it.
30:49
Justin: These are unregulated things.
30:51
Justin: And they're he just in my in his bio, like message me to get peptides, and it's like, these are unregulated.
30:57
Justin: You can't sell them.
30:58
Justin: You're not a pharmacist.
30:59
Justin: Like, I guess you can sell them, but you're you're selling these people like a false promise, I think, and it's kind of sickening.
31:07
Maria: And imagine if you're 14, if you're seeing all these videos of peptides, all these adults talking about peptides, it normalizes it for you.
31:16
Maria: The more people are talking about something, and then the algorithm figures that out too.
31:20
Maria: Like, say you watch three peptide videos and you're trying to figure out how to get jacked.
31:24
Maria: What do you think your algorithm is gonna be the next day?
31:26
Maria: Peptide, peptide, peptide, this is what you do, this is how you cycle, these are the benefits, this is what you should do.
31:31
Maria: That's gonna affect you for your entire life.
31:33
Maria: That's gonna literally mess up your hormones like no other.
31:36
Justin: Yeah.
31:37
Justin: And these advertising companies, these companies and like these platforms, they know exactly how to make you spend money.
31:44
Justin: That is what their billion-dollar algorithms do.
31:49
Justin: They it tells them how to make money.
31:51
Justin: We were talking about creator, what's the thing called?
31:54
Justin: Creator insights earlier, and it's like, this is how your posts go viral.
31:58
Justin: And it's like, but I thought posts it like I thought posts went viral because people like them.
32:03
Justin: You know what I mean?
32:04
Justin: And it's like, it's like meta's telling you how to post, and it's like, is that healthy?
32:08
Justin: Like that then they're telling you what to do.
32:10
Justin: It's like then all of a sudden you have a boss, you're not an independent contractor anymore, right?
32:15
Justin: Like, I don't know, it's it's interesting.
32:18
Maria: And also for youth watching social media, it's the same.
32:23
Maria: I feel like they're marketing it the same way as they marketed vaping.
32:27
Maria: It's like smoking's out, vapes are better for you, which also there's like no research to suggest that they actually might be worse for you than smoking.
32:36
Maria: But the flavors bubblegum, fuzzy peach, candy flavored, like they knew what they were doing and they wanted to get kids on vapes, and that's exactly what they're doing with gambling and online shopping right now when it comes to content.
32:50
Maria: It's if I I already have a shopping addiction.
32:53
Maria: If I was 14, like once you build those habits too, when you're that young, it's almost impossible to break them.
33:01
Justin: It's so hard.
33:02
Justin: Like, I am the same way.
33:04
Justin: I love to buy something.
33:05
Justin: I it's probably one of the biggest points of contention for me and Max.
33:11
Justin: Like, because I'm a shopper, I like to shop, and he's very utilitarian.
33:14
Justin: He's like, if I don't need something, I'm not buying it.
33:16
Justin: But I the dopamine, it's just dopamine.
33:19
Justin: It makes you feel so good.
33:20
Justin: I love buying things.
33:22
Justin: I like the I like when an Amazon package shows up.
33:26
Justin: I'm I canceled my Amazon Prime.
33:28
Justin: It makes a big difference because you have to have $35 in your cart for free shipping then.
33:32
Justin: So all the stupid little things you buy on Amazon, you put it in your cart and it's $10.
33:37
Justin: And then you put something else in your cart and it's $5.
33:39
Justin: And by the time you get to $35, you look at those things and you're like, why I didn't need that.
33:43
Justin: What am I buying this little widget for?
33:44
Justin: Right?
33:45
Justin: Like, I don't need this.
33:46
Justin: And then you start to delete things out.
33:48
Justin: I buy way less stuff.
33:49
Justin: It makes a big difference.
33:51
Maria: I need to start doing that.
33:53
Maria: Also, unfollowing people, even when we don't necessarily dislike them.
33:57
Maria: Like I was talking about Alex Earl, watching her content, sometimes it will still pop up on my feed.
34:03
Maria: Yes, I do watch it.
34:04
Maria: I do like Alex Earl.
34:05
Maria: After I watch that content, do I feel great about my body?
34:08
Maria: Do I feel great about my life in my apartment?
34:11
Maria: No, I feel literally horrendous.
34:13
Maria: I'm like, stop right now.
34:15
Maria: I can't.
34:17
Justin: Yeah, it's hard when you're comparing yourself because it's like you do want all these things, and like it's kind of sad because it's like, why can't I have those things?
34:28
Justin: And there's no reason you can't, you just have to work for them.
34:30
Justin: But it is hard when it seems like everybody gets everything so easily and you're not getting things as easily.
34:36
Justin: Like life's hard for everyone, and I think people like that aren't showing you the hard parts, right?
34:44
Maria: And also lately on Instagram, no, on TikTok, there was a I think she's 14 or 15.
34:51
Maria: She posted a get ready with me, and she's from the UK.
34:55
Maria: And overnight she's gotten like like 500,000 followers, like something crazy.
35:01
Maria: And now all of these adult women that are trying to be content creators are messaging her like, you don't deserve this, la la la la la.
35:09
Maria: Like she's literally a teenager that posted and hit the algorithm just at the right time and blew up.
35:16
Maria: And I feel like that's really sick as well.
35:18
Maria: It's like just because, and I'm a good example of this.
35:23
Maria: I've been posting on Instagram and TikTok for what seems like forever, every day, looking at creative creator insights.
35:30
Maria: Anytime I'm on Instagram, it's to find something that I can push out for content.
35:36
Maria: All my close friends that do influencing are now actually influencers.
35:41
Maria: Like they have like 20,000 followers or more.
35:45
Maria: Do you see me being like, you don't deserve this?
35:47
Maria: I post every single day.
35:49
Maria: Like, I think it's kind of disgusting that you would pull down some random teenage girl just because she's successful or more successful than you on the app.
35:59
Maria: Like that just makes me like sick.
36:01
Justin: And she's just being her genuine truthful self, right?
36:05
Justin: Like, that's why she blew up, probably, because it's content that's just her being a normal person.
36:10
Justin: Like we were looking at my TikToks earlier.
36:12
Justin: I don't really post on TikTok anymore, but like some of my TikToks are so dumb and cringy, but like those are authentically me.
36:19
Justin: Like they're kind of funny, they're kind of dumb, like I don't really care about them.
36:22
Justin: But I think that's the kind of content that I like is like when people are just being themselves.
36:27
Justin: Like I miss when social media was just an outlet for creativity.
36:31
Justin: Now people are copying everyone, and it's like, oh, you're gonna just copy everyone, and then you're mad, like these women are mad because this little girl's this little girl, teenage girl's post is going viral, and they're mad that theirs isn't going viral, but they're copying her.
36:48
Justin: It's like get a notebook, sit down, and write down some things you're passionate about and try to do some stuff around that.
36:56
Justin: Like some of the weirdest TikToks, like, have you seen this that lady that was digging a giant hole under her house?
37:03
Maria: No.
37:04
Justin: Okay, so there's this lady, like, I don't know where she lives, but during COVID, she was like, she decided to like start mining under her house.
37:12
Justin: And so she's like, and the city's like trying to stop her and stuff, but she's like very smart.
37:17
Justin: She's found all these like legal loopholes, she's a she's allowed to do this.
37:20
Justin: She has like excavated like a million cubic feet under her house or something.
37:25
Justin: Like, it's crazy.
37:26
Justin: And like it's just so authentically her.
37:30
Justin: It's like you can't replicate that, right?
37:32
Justin: You can't take get rid of that, and it's so funny.
37:34
Justin: I'll send you some, but like the comments are so funny.
37:37
Justin: It's like for sale, upstate New York, 1200 square foot main home, 97,000 square foot underground bunker.
37:42
Justin: And it's like, it's so funny.
37:44
Justin: But like, that's the kind of stuff where it's like authentic and real.
37:48
Justin: You can't just like make that up.
37:49
Justin: It's and AI can't take that away.
37:51
Justin: Like, no, this lady is just being her weird self, and AI cannot replace her because she is having minecarts come from under her house, like with rubble.
38:02
Maria: And also, some of my friends are in marketing and this little stages.
38:06
Maria: Like, if you see an aesthetic like coffee being made, or somebody's in like an aesthetic office, sometimes they're actually like set pieces.
38:14
Justin: It's fake, it's all fake.
38:15
Maria: It's all fake.
38:16
Maria: Like, it doesn't mean that somebody actually has like a nice aesthetic like kitchen or a nice aesthetic office.
38:22
Maria: And I feel like those things you actually have to put work into like building that.
38:27
Maria: Yeah.
38:28
Maria: And I think that's crazy because whenever I see that, I'm I just assume I'm like, this person's made it.
38:33
Justin: Yeah, but it's all fake.
38:34
Justin: Yeah.
38:34
Justin: Or like when they do marketing photos for like food, the burgers, like the burgers made and they've painted the sesame seeds on to make them look perfect, and they've like the ketchup is not really ketchup because they have like made it with paint to make it more red.
38:51
Justin: And like it's so fake.
38:52
Justin: Like, there should be like, do you remember the like truth in advertising commercials like the house depot?
38:57
Justin: They need to bring that back.
38:58
Justin: Like, we should have regulations around truth in advertising because I think if you're marketing something in an untruthful way, that should be illegal.
39:10
Justin: Like it's false advertising.
39:12
Justin: You shouldn't be allowed to like advertise ketchup, your burger having ketchup on it, but the ketchup is paint.
39:18
Justin: It should have to be ketchup.
39:20
Maria: I agree.
39:21
Maria: Yeah, I wonder if we're gonna go into this like new decade of realism with influencers.
39:28
Maria: But then I also feel like that's just gonna make people more depressed.
39:33
Justin: I think we have to just we have to make the world the world we want to live in, right?
39:40
Justin: And it takes all of us to just stand up and start doing things the way we want to do it.
39:44
Justin: It takes you and me posting our authentic selves.
39:47
Justin: It takes us just have sitting here having a conversation.
39:50
Justin: We don't have any sponsors, we don't, we're just making a podcast because we are both, we were both going through like burnout and depression, and we're trying to like help other people help themselves.
40:02
Justin: And I think it just takes people being authentic and the world can become a better place, but we all have to do it together.
40:10
Justin: It can't just be you and me, it has to be everyone else too, right?
40:14
Maria: I also feel like having that genuine connection, like human to human, versus I know people have been using AI as their therapists.
40:21
Maria: I find that like extremely concerning.
40:23
Maria: Like I feel like at the end of the day, AI is AI, and it cannot replicate a human, it cannot replicate social interactions.
40:35
Maria: Like, I feel like some people are getting really close to AI.
40:40
Maria: Like, people are dating AI right now.
40:43
Maria: Like, I don't know when it will stop.
40:46
Maria: I told you, I think that there's gonna be parades that are gonna be about my love is real, and I'm dating an AI person, and that scares me.
40:55
Maria: If the younger generation accepts this, this is what is going to become our reality, and I am terrified.
41:00
Justin: I saw on TikTok the other day this person who has an AI husband and an AI child, and they were talking and like they're like having a conversation, and it's actually like I'm laughing, but it's actually really sad because it's like you know that that person is just so lonely, and the world is just so mean, and like it was actually really sad.
41:28
Justin: And there was people commenting, and they were like, you actually need to talk to someone about this.
41:32
Justin: It wasn't like them making fun of her, but that's where we're going, and like you can't use AI as a therapist.
41:38
Justin: People need to remember that to these companies, AI, these AI companies like OpenAI and Anthropic, you're a customer, they are inserting, like they're testing inserting advertisements into responses and free tiers of these products, and so uh the AI you're talking to is designed to agree with you and make you feel good.
42:05
Justin: So if you're using it as a therapist, it's not gonna question you like my therapist questions me.
42:10
Justin: My therapist sometimes is like, whoa, and she's like, So we need to unpack that.
42:16
Justin: And AI is never gonna do that.
42:18
Justin: You can't always be right.
42:20
Justin: Sometimes you have to be wrong, and you're just never gonna get that with AI.
42:24
Justin: It's really scary.
42:26
Maria: And that's the thing, too, is if people are constantly scared of being canceled or being their genuine selves, it's like no wonder they're going to AI.
42:36
Maria: I do not get offended easily, and I feel like we need to bring back actually getting offended and being okay with it.
42:43
Maria: That is really important.
42:45
Maria: It's important that people stand and back up their point of views, even if they're different than other people's.
42:52
Maria: And I feel like it's gotten to the point where it's like people don't actually share what they actually feel, and then they'll just kind of adopt something because they don't want to be canceled or they don't want to be targeted.
43:06
Maria: I mean, online it's crazy.
43:08
Maria: If you just share like one of your opinions, you could get targeted like crazy.
43:13
Maria: People could be threatening your family.
43:15
Justin: I often keep my opinion to myself just out of fear of conflict.
43:19
Justin: I don't want to have conflict, I don't like it.
43:21
Justin: So I will keep my opinion to myself a lot of times just because I don't want to fight with someone.
43:25
Justin: And that's like a sad reality.
43:28
Justin: I was listening to this podcast about Japan, why everyone's going to Japan randomly.
43:32
Justin: And they were talking about the differences in the culture between us and Japan, Japanese people.
43:36
Justin: And it's like just little things like talking on your phone in an elevator or in a subway or something where that in a public place.
43:44
Justin: It's so unheard of there because they have respect.
43:48
Justin: Like you, there was this girl, this woman, she was in a cafe in Japan, and she was, I think she was on a Zoom call or something.
43:56
Justin: She was talking, and a man got up from his table, came over and said, Can you stop?
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Justin: I'm trying to like enjoy my lunch.
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Justin: And she was just talking.
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Justin: But I think that that's so valid.
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Justin: Like, and he ended up going to another part of the restaurant.
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Justin: There was no like big beef, but he just moved to another part of the cafe.
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Justin: But she was like, I didn't realize that like what I was doing was so socially unacceptable.
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Justin: And I think like I watch these people, I watch people like have a FaceTime in public or talk on the phone on speakerphone, and I'm like, can we bring back like a little bit of embarrassment?
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Justin: Like, I it's rude.
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Justin: Why are you doing that?
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Justin: Like, why are you having even when I have if Max and I are having a conversation in the elevator and someone else gets in, uh, we stop talking.
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Justin: We can continue the conversation when we get out of the elevator.
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Justin: It's rude to have a conversation in front of someone.
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Maria: I agree.
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Maria: I just feel like these little things are just going away.
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Maria: And like social cues, respect, and even like the art of hosting, the art of popping in, nobody does pop-ins anymore.
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Maria: Nobody does pop-ins.
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Maria: People get so weirded out.
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Maria: I pop in, I'll go to friends' houses and be like, yo, what's up?
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Maria: They get so weirded out.
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Maria: They're like, What are you doing?
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Maria: I'm like, Oh, I'm just popping in.
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Maria: They're like, What's that?
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Maria: What's going on?
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Justin: It's my it's my favorite thing when my friends pop in.
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Justin: I don't maybe I'm weird, but if a friend texts me and like, you don't have to like knock on my door, just text me, hey, I'm on, I'm in your neighborhood.
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Justin: Do you want to grab a coffee?
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Justin: Do you want to grab a drink?
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Justin: Like, I love that so much.
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Justin: But honestly, if you're wanting to diabolical, just buzz my apartment.
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Justin: If I'm home, I'll answer the phone.
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Justin: Come on in.
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Justin: You know what I mean?
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Justin: Like, I miss that.
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Justin: Like, I remember when I was a kid, I've been what looking at like old pictures.
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Justin: And when I was a kid, like people used to just pop in.
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Justin: Someone's car would drive in the driveway, and you're like, oh my god, so-and-so's here.
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Justin: And they would just pop in for a visit.
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Justin: My parents would just have coffee with them or whatever.
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Justin: What happened to like the community of that?
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Justin: And like now we're so we're also involved in social media that we're just staring at our phones 24-7, and no one's popping in because they're too busy buying whatever new water bottle came out.
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Maria: I know, like you don't need to have scheduled plans with your friends to see them.
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Maria: And I remember being a kid too, and we would go on these, we had like a little bike riding gang, and we would ride around town, and it was always so embarrassing.
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Maria: It would be like, Okay, we all have to go up together and we all have to knock on the door, or even calling the home line phone and being like, Hey, is like so and so there?
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Maria: Like, what was the worst thing that was gonna happen?
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Maria: Somebody was like, No, they're not here right now, or you knock on the door and they don't answer.
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Maria: Like, I really miss that, actually.
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Justin: Me too.
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Maria: I really do.
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Maria: And I feel like there's something really special about that, and it makes me sad that that makes people weird it out.
46:43
Justin: Yeah, it makes me too.
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Justin: So this week, let's try one small thing.
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Justin: Unfollow someone that's been making you feel stressed or pressured to live beyond your means.
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Maria: And if you're listening, tell us who's an influencer who gives you a positive feeling or makes you feel good about yourself.
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Justin: Thanks for listening to Mostly Offline.
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Justin: We'll see you next time.
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Maria: Until then, take a breath, put your phone down for a minute, and remember it's really not that deep.
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Justin: It's not.
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Justin: Bye.
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Maria: Bye.