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Fascia: The Missing Piece in Moving and Feeling Better · Wellness Wednesday Activation Podcast

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  Marilee: Welcome to another episode of Wellness Wednesday.
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  Marilee: It's always a pleasure to be here with you.
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  Marilee: I'm your host today, Marilee Marisic, coming from the Pacific Northwest.
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  Marilee: Beautiful day today.
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  Marilee: I hope it is where you are as well.
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  Marilee: But I am super excited about our topic today and our guest.
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  Marilee: And actually, today we're going to be talking about the missing piece in moving and feeling better, Fasha.
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  Marilee: We are going to have a very special guest come in and talk about that today.
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  Marilee: She's she's backed by popular demand.
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  Marilee: She's been with us before on Wellness Wednesday.
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  Marilee: And I love her area of expertise.
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  Marilee: And we're gonna we're gonna dive into a little bit of that.
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  Marilee: But, you know, most of us have never heard a lot.
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  Marilee: I mean, we've heard a lot about taking care of joints and bums and you know, tissue and all of those things, but most of us have never even heard the term fascia.
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  Marilee: So maybe that's a new term to you.
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  Marilee: You might be sitting there saying, fascia, what is that?
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  Marilee: I've never even heard of it.
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  Marilee: But we're gonna jump into it today and really help explain to you how it's such a very real part of your health and how you feel and how you move and function.
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  Marilee: And so I'm joined today by my very special guest and friend, Kathleen Kangas.
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  Marilee: And Kathleen is a doctor of physical therapy who's been specializing in myofascial release in women's health for 20 years, preceded by eight years in the fitness profession.
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  Marilee: But she's also a military wife, a mom of two boys, and a stepmom to four girls, and a lifelong advocate of healthy lifestyle.
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  Marilee: And I just she is such a great conversation.
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  Marilee: She's so knowledgeable, and I always love, love having her on.
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  Marilee: So, Kathleen, welcome to the call.
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  Marilee: I'm so glad that you're here.
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  Marilee: I love this conversation.
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  Marilee: But before we jump in and go through some questions, I actually would love it if you'd share a little bit about your background and kind of what brought you into this area.
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  Marilee: I know it's a passion for you, but tell us a little bit more about yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: I will try to keep it tight.
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  SPEAKER_01: First of all, thanks so much for having me back.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love talking about this topic, and I love that it is it is my area of expertise.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have always been a fitness fanatic.
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  SPEAKER_01: I started very young, inspired by my grandmother at 10 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was just part of my path, understanding the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just thought it was fascinating, ended up in the health sciences world in undergrad, and then ended up in the fitness industry after that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Knew I wanted to move on, hated the idea of traditional physical therapy, to be totally honest.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was so broken and segmented and cranking on people's arms.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I actually didn't like it at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think I was going to go that path.
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  SPEAKER_01: But things unfolded, and I knew that becoming a physical therapist, it would open up my world for areas that I could do work in.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I got my doctorate uh in physical therapy in 2005.
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  SPEAKER_01: And within one year of being in outpatient, yeah, outpatient orthopedic care, where I saw the disconnect between the nervous system and the body and people just being treated like one joint at a time.
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  SPEAKER_01: It didn't quite make sense to me because I was seeing a lot of people with chronic pain.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it just didn't land as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: It didn't work as really as well for people with chronic pain.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I ended up being introduced to myofascia rumors.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just feel like it was a godsend.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I immediately took off on that path because it was really the only approach that I found in the PT world that appreciated the connection of the nervous system with what was happening in our body, our fascia specifically.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've been doing that, opened up my own practice within a year of starting that work and have never looked back.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that's and now I'm down here in Panama City.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've been in DC, Maryland, Virginia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm down in Panama City and opened up the practice down here to really access more women dealing with pelvic floor dysfunction.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a real need down here.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's where I am now.
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  Marilee: That's incredible.
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  Marilee: And I I think I'm so fascinated just by the like what fascia is.
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  Marilee: Like this was an aha moment for me.
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  Marilee: I know we talked a little bit before we started this, but you know, just sharing my journey, my aha moment came, gosh, probably a half a dozen years ago or so.
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  Marilee: I had been really struggling with just this repeated hip pain and IT bands.
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  Marilee: And I'm like, what in the world?
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  Marilee: And it just seemed like everything I was trying, and I did try traditional physical therapy, by the way, now that you mentioned that.
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  Marilee: And I just could not get on top of it.
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  Marilee: It seemed like what I was doing there was aggravating whatever was going on.
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  Marilee: And so just kind of doing a little bit of searching, listening, I came across a podcast and they said the word basha for the first time.
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  Marilee: And I'm like, wait, what?
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  Marilee: What is this?
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  Marilee: And so I just started to geek out about it.
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  Marilee: And I'm like, oh my word, how many people don't even realize this is a thing?
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  Marilee: So let's jump into just kind of educating the audience a little bit and literally just go through it.
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  Marilee: So I've got a few questions I want to throw in front of you, and we'll just Okay.
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  Marilee: Yeah, let's have the conversation.
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  Marilee: So let's do it.
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  Marilee: What exactly is fascia?
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  Marilee: And for someone who's heard the word fascia, but maybe doesn't really know what it is, what exactly is it and what role does it play in our body?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, fascia was just recognized as an organ a few years ago, literally.
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  SPEAKER_01: In medical school, PT schools, this was the tissue.
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  SPEAKER_01: And even in when I was an undergrad and we were doing human dissection, this is the stuff that we just pulled away.
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  SPEAKER_01: We never really talked about this tissue ever.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it is basically fascia's connective tissue that literally connects your head to your pinky toe.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I kid you not.
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  SPEAKER_01: It surrounds every organ, every blood vessel, every nerve, your lymphatic system, every joint, every tendon is made up of fascia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and that that is broken down into different components.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it helps your tissues glide.
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  SPEAKER_01: It also helps transmit forces through the body and provides structure and strength.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I like to think of if if you think of a chicken breast, a raw chicken breast, you can there's like a thin layer of tissue that you can pull up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the fascia of the chicken breast.
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  SPEAKER_01: You could see how it's so interconnected with the meat of the chicken, but that's essentially how it lives in our body.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's interwoven, it's a three-dimensional web that connects everything to everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's all connected, is a real deal when it comes to fascia.
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  Marilee: Amazing.
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  Marilee: That's it's just such an aha.
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  Marilee: I'm sure people are just going, wow, okay, didn't even know that.
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  Marilee: That's incredible.
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  Marilee: So, how can fascia affect how we feel?
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  Marilee: Like what happens when fascia becomes restricted or isn't moving as well as it should?
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  Marilee: And what might someone actually notice or feel in everyday life like I had been experiencing?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it can really vary because when you have fascial restrictions, you can have all sorts of symptoms, honestly, whether it's a headache, whether it's back pain, hip pain, it could be a tightness somewhere, it could be a limited range of motion that might even seem like it comes out of nowhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just want to add that your fascia is also intelligent.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's innervated.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's not just packing material.
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  SPEAKER_01: It literally is very responsive to our environment, whether it's our emotions, whether it's what we're physically doing on a day-to-day basis, whether it's what we're not doing, scar tissue, you know, things that impact the mobility of that tissue.
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  SPEAKER_01: It it risk it's very responsive to our environment.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you might feel stiffness, you could feel decreased mobility pain.
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  SPEAKER_01: You also might feel other areas of your body compensating.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I just want you to remember this term.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the place you feel the pain may not be the source of the pain.
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  SPEAKER_01: The source of the pain might be a fascial restriction that somewhere else, maybe you have fascial restriction in your diaphragm, this breathing muscle that sits like right underneath your rib cage, and you're having low back pain.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you went to traditional therapists, they might start giving you lower back exercises and not looking at your whole body to say, hmm, like something's like really restricted around your middle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's take a look at that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and you probably will feel like you did, you're doing all the things you think you should do, and it's not helping because probably because you're treating the symptom and not the source.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that would be a good indicator that if you're addressing it where the symptom is and you're not having good results, that's probably some kind of fascial problem somewhere else.
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  Marilee: That makes sense.
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  Marilee: Actually, I had seen a really interesting visual, and I love the way that you've described this, but it was somebody was wearing like a full bodysuit, like think of a really thin wet suit.
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  Marilee: And they were trying to give this example of like, if I pull right here on your hip, they this happened to be pull on your hip, look at all of the things that are connected and reflected.
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  Marilee: And I'm like, oh my goodness, that was a really powerful visual, but how it really affects all the other areas of your body.
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  Marilee: But you might feel pain in one area, but it's pulling in so many different areas.
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  Marilee: So thinking of that.
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  Marilee: Exactly.
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  Marilee: Yeah, yes, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's never just it's never, I always tell people every single patient that comes in, I have to do this educational piece.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I say, What you're feeling is just the tip of the iceberg.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's just what we can see.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you there's always so much more under the surface, and not just not just the fascial adhesion, just to you know, say that's the mechanical thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there's always a lot of history behind what this symptom has come to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: People say, Well, I I've been feeling good for 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, 45 years ago, you were hit by a semi-truck and you just never did anything about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or in your 30s, you fell on your tailbone and hit your head, and you know, you just went on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like there's all these things that can unfold.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's all the stuff that's under the surface, under the iceberg under the water, essentially.
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  Marilee: Yeah, amazing.
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  Marilee: Issues in your tissues, like how to address the issues.
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  SPEAKER_01: There are issues in your tissues, and they go way, way back all day sometimes to when you were born, essentially.
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  Marilee: So fascinating.
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  Marilee: So think think of a much bigger picture than what's happening right at that moment.
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  Marilee: So I I love it.
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  Marilee: Such a powerful conversation.
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  Marilee: But so let me ask you this.
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  Marilee: So, what affects the health of our fascia?
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  Marilee: Like, what are some of the everyday things that either support our fascia or work against it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the things that really support healthy connective tissue are one regular movement, strength and appropriate loading, mobility and varied positions.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've heard I heard this term said the best posture is the next posture.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, whatever you're doing all the time, like we need to move our body three-dimensionally.
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  SPEAKER_01: And very often we're not, we're either not moving at all or we're moving very two-dimensionally.
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  SPEAKER_01: Adequate hydration and nutrition.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our fascia is fluid.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is, I mean, and where do we 80% water already?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, we need fluid to keep that fascia hydrated, and we need proper nutrition, especially for collagen synthesis.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's some things that you can do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sleep and recovery for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would say those are things, but not it's not just that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our nervous system, again, I mentioned earlier that our fascia is is intelligent, it's very responsive.
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  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, not sometimes, all the time, your body will respond to your emotions or your thoughts before your conscious mind is even aware of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: People sometimes say, Wow, my back went out and then something happened.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're like your back went out and already knew, like there was already some precipitating emotion or feeling or stressor that was there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your fascia tightened up, and all of a sudden you're like, ah, my back went out.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it wasn't something mechanically you did.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was something with your nervous system.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's how your fascia responds.
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  SPEAKER_01: It gets me so excited talking about this, actually.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it's just fun to be able to help people in this way.
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  Marilee: Yeah, it really is.
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  Marilee: I mean, you talked about it earlier, like that, you know, a nervous system kind of flows through this connective tissue.
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  Marilee: And that that was a massive, massive aha for me, too.
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  Marilee: Like when I I I mean, I jokingly said it, but like issues in your tissues.
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  Marilee: I have become now very much aware of like what am I, you know, like mentally not maybe working through or emotionally not working through, holding on to something, holding onto it in my tissues.
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  Marilee: It's just so interesting.
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  Marilee: But I think that's what we love to do on Wellest Wednesday is really educate so that awareness piece of it make you think a little bit different about it.
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  Marilee: It's just such a fascinating thing.
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  Marilee: I know you talked about movement.
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  Marilee: So, what are what are some of your type favorite types of movement?
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  Marilee: I know for me, and I'll just share, rebounding has been one of those things that I absolutely love and I cannot recommend it enough.
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  Marilee: I know I've shared it on Wellness Wednesday before, but I got myself a rebounder and it's something that I do all the time.
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  Marilee: Also, vibration plates to stand on seem to be very, very beneficial for me.
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  Marilee: But talk about just a few of those practical things that people can do.
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  Marilee: Like if they don't have a rebounder or maybe they want to go get one.
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  Marilee: What are some of your favorite things to do?
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you mentioned two of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was rebounding this morning, in fact.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'll and and I'll mention these things, and then I want to talk to you or at least share the things that negatively impact your fascia, like what can be happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll get to that other side.
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  SPEAKER_01: But things to help with health, the I love the shake plate.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I think it's one, it's so easy and it just it moves the frequency through our whole body.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what I notice when I when I get on my shape plate is where my fascia is a little stuck, I I feel it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like where that vibration's going through and then it gets a little stuck.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've that vibration, if it's not a really strong restriction, it can help kind of shake that out.
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  SPEAKER_01: The rebounder, same thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love the rebounder because if I really love to run or I really love to cycle, that's all in this direction.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the rebounding can kind of move us around and challenge our joints and our proprioception in different ways.
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  SPEAKER_01: I also love an inversion table, I have to tell you, because when we reverse gravity, we nobody's escaping gravity.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love being able to hang upside down.
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  SPEAKER_01: That does that helps my nervous system actually with my breathing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So just the the shift of your the your organs on your diaphragm in a reverse way, it can actually help your diaphragm really relax and help you breathe better, which helps everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I love an inversion table.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's also something called myofascial unwinding.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you think of if anybody has a cat or a dog at home, and when they first wake up in the morning, they have kind of like, you know, three-dimensional movement stretch thing going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we call that myofascial unwinding, and people can do that too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's there's some fun techniques you can do to start with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: A really simple one that that John Barnes teaches that we call it like the star technique.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you can do it standing or you do it lying down, and you just think about like stretching and telescoping your arms and legs out, and then just following where your body wants to go.
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  SPEAKER_01: So instead of doing this, here, let me stretch my triceps two-dimensionally.
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  SPEAKER_01: The unwinding is more of a three-dimensional unwinding.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love a visual of a telephone cord, if anybody remembers those things.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had telephone cords, and remember they used to get all knotted up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And how did we unknot them?
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  SPEAKER_01: You you hang the telephone receiver, let it hang, and the weight of that it would kind of unravel the cord.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think of that what that's what happens with our fascia.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if it gets tangled up that way, we have to untangle it that way.
• 16:03
  Marilee: Oh, so fascinating.
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  Marilee: Okay, my happy is don't get me an inversion table.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love get a good one, please.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: A real like a quality one.
• 16:12
  Marilee: Yeah, no kidding.
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  Marilee: Oh, that's great.
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  Marilee: That's great.
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  Marilee: So, what are some things that work against your fascia?
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  Marilee: Can you touch on that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I I want to highlight this significantly because I think most people don't give this any weight when when they're things are happening to their body.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh, oh, I had that surgery, I had a cesarean section, I had a breast cancer treatment, I had implants, I had whatever it is that that wouldn't have some kind of tether that starts to like anchor down in your body.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that but that scar tissue can go deep under the surface, it can attach to organs, it can pull on your ovaries, it can attach to your intestines, it can start pulling on your shoulder, all of a sudden you got shoulder immobility.
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  SPEAKER_01: So injury and surgery are a big deal.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you if you've had an acute injury or surgery that would create scar dew or any kind of like chronic inflammation, you want to get that taken care of.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't just don't ignore it.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Just because the surgery's done does not mean you're done.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a surgeon will probably not tell you, you know, you probably want to address the scar tissue.
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  SPEAKER_01: Prolonged immobility, of course, repetitive positions and movement patterns.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it uh whether you're an athlete and you're doing the same thing every day, we just have to change it up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, we will get that injury, that chronic injury, the repetitive stress.
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  SPEAKER_01: You'll get the chronic inflammation, and then things will break down.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Inflammation in general.
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  SPEAKER_01: So any kind of chronic inflammation can start to harden that fascia.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Elmer's glue.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Does everybody remember Elmer's glue?
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: They don't like use that much anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all glue sticks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Elmer's glue is very fluid, but then it starts to dry out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's essentially what happens to our fascia.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is very fluid and mobile.
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  SPEAKER_01: Think of a baby when they come out.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's no restrictions there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that starts to harden down as we age.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as we age, it gets worse and worse because we do lose our collagen.
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  SPEAKER_01: And definitely inadequate recovery, not giving our body enough recovery when it needs it.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: You need to rest your tissues.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: You have issues in your tissues, you need to rest your tissues when needed.
• 18:21
  Marilee: That's so, so key.
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  Marilee: And I think just tuning in, listening to your body, being more aware.
• 18:26
  Marilee: And and honestly, just being more aware.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's one of the biggest things.
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  SPEAKER_01: That that's really one of the biggest things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I as I see my patients progress, I'll hear things like, I noticed I was thinking about like they when they if they have pain every time they get in the car and go for a drive, like all of a sudden their pain escalates.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I have to say, well, what are you thinking about?
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, are you listening to the news?
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Are you scrolling on social media?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: Social your social media will make your body hurt, I promise you.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Depends on what you're reading.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if it's causing you stress, all of a sudden you're like, oh, my neck, my neck hurts.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, because you are literally your body is literally responding to that.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, definitely that awareness piece and just being able to catch it and identify it.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's not that my back just hurts.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just a mechanical thing.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's that I'm thinking about blah blah or I'm feeling something.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then you can deal with that, which will then affect your fascia.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:18
  Marilee: Yeah.
• 19:18
  Marilee: The more you know, my goodness, this is that's awareness.
• 19:22
  Marilee: There's no choice.
• 19:23
  Marilee: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:25
  Marilee: Well, all of that really kind of brings us into this.
• 19:27
  Marilee: So supporting the fascia from the inside out.
• 19:30
  Marilee: We've talked about supporting fascia throughout movement.
• 19:33
  Marilee: We've talked about stretching, we've talked about body work.
• 19:35
  Marilee: I also do foam rolling.
• 19:37
  Marilee: That's then super.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yes.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: How can we forget the foam roller and balls?
• 19:41
  Marilee: You know, you can use balls to treat.
• 19:44
  Marilee: Yeah, there's so many different modalities.
• 19:46
  Marilee: There's like so many.
• 19:47
  Marilee: I mean, we could probably talk for an hour on just that alone, but there's so many different ways to support that.
• 19:52
  Marilee: But fascious connective tissue and collagen, as you mentioned, plays an important structural role along with supporting overall cellular health.
• 19:59
  Marilee: And I know you're a huge, huge proponent of that.
• 20:02
  Marilee: Um, so I also know that you're a big fan of the liquid collagen and the protonum NRF too.
• 20:09
  Marilee: And let's talk about that.
• 20:11
  Marilee: Yes, yes, let's absolutely talk about that.
• 20:14
  Marilee: Bring that into the conversation because it's, I mean, it's just like our diet, it's hydration, it's all those things.
• 20:19
  Marilee: What can we do from the inside?
• 20:21
  Marilee: I think this is such a powerful combination.
• 20:24
  Marilee: This this is a dynamic duo.
• 20:26
  Marilee: So can you talk about that?
• 20:27
  Marilee: Take us into that conversation.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, I was already doing myofascial release when I was introduced to activation.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I just want to tie together why they why they both were so appealing to me.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: With myofascial release, it's about empowering the body, it's about unloading these restrictions so that the body can move and function as it's supposed to.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Introducing activation, it's the same thing.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's taking off the stress from a biological and cellular level so that our cellular function can work properly.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: And that made oh so much sense to me.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh when I started using the first product, what we have Proteandum NRF2, I didn't take it because I was having any major health issues.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: I did have pain in my body, though.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so I used my fascial release.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of my main tool, and I treated myself for every day, and that definitely helped.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: But I still had that every day.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: When I started activation, I remember thinking it was about a month that I felt like a fire had gone out in my body.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Now, John Barnes talks about like the straight jacket, literally feeling like your body's like in a straight jacket, you can't move.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like that all like kind of all the time, just kind of like a burning, burning pain feeling all over.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it just wasn't there.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: I just didn't have that burning pain.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's when it really and and that we have this whole analogy with activation.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's like taking a fire hose and a brand new sprinkler system and turning it on if your house is on fire.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas if we just depend on antioxidants and nutrition alone, it's like taking Dixie cups of water to put it out.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how many Dixie cups of water do you need on a daily basis to put out the fire that we are bombarded with every day?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: And that's literally what I felt in my body.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I knew that this was something that could certainly support my patients at minimum, but anybody, anybody, to take that load off.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: If we take the load off ourselves so we can function better, we can function better, right?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Our body is meant to move towards healing unless it's weighted down.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: So, well, it's still it's still always like leaning towards healing, but when it's weighted down with the stress and inflammation and and cellular damage, just can't do what it's meant to do.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then we end up on a bat on a path of dependency in in another direction, sometimes with prescriptions, doctors, also diagnoses that maybe not may not be necessary.
• 22:57
  Marilee: So true.
• 22:58
  Marilee: So let's talk about amplifying the results.
• 23:01
  Marilee: Now I know it's a pertinent manner of two, absolutely paramount.
• 23:04
  Marilee: And that's something I personally take every day and I have for 11 years now.
• 23:09
  Marilee: Never, never miss a day.
• 23:10
  Marilee: It's foundational, but I know when we add other activators to that, like our liquid collagen, it's absolutely incredible.
• 23:18
  Marilee: So can you talk about that?
• 23:20
  Marilee: Because that dynamic dual is so powerful.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: It is, and it's the it's the two things that when I have an opportunity to share information or offer this, you know, piece for a patient's protocol, you know, I do.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: I let them take a look at that.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: When the collagen came around, what fast and I was never really into collagen supplementation or anything prior to this, but we learned a lot when this came out.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: One is that our collagen, which is up to 80% of our connective tissue, is made up of collagen in certain areas, our tendons, ligaments, and our skin mostly.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then all our or there's different collagen peptides that support our organs and different things, our eyes, brain.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: But that's pretty huge.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: And we lose 1% of that collagen every year.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't know that.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that specifically.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of people are taking collagen supplementation.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to, they're getting the powder at Sam's Club or whatever.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: And those are only one and one or two different types of collagen peptides.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: When this collagen came out, it's it's 10 types.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it's addressing collagen supplementation to address the collagen that affects it, all the things in your body.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: The second thing is the activation that we actually have genes that turn on that produce collagen.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so as we age, you know, our performance goes down, but this helps reactivate that so our body is producing collagen at a healthier level.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it also helps slow down the current breakdown of our body.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: So whether you're interested in that affecting your skin or your joints or your gut or your brain or your eyes, whatever it is, the collagen has all of that.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: The combination of the two, when that study came out about just this amplification of the activation piece and how it improves or reduces cellular stress, it's just it just kind of makes sense.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we don't have to go into all the details of science, it just makes sense.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: And if you can have that synergy and that amplification, why would you?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: So that those are my two.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then of course I I have my mitochondria support and NAD.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: I take those every day myself.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: I just turned 50.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: And Marilee, we're we're in the 50s club, right?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you're the one that turned me on to looking at our our biological age according to our blood.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: And and it came out to be 32.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I can't, you know, I cannot really say, you know, that this stuff does not help us on the side of a level with how our cells are responding to our true age versus like how we're working on the inside.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'll take 32.
• 26:06
  Marilee: Absolutely.
• 26:06
  Marilee: And you look fabulous, by the way.
• 26:08
  Marilee: I can't even believe that you're 50.
• 26:10
  Marilee: But I know it's very, very true.
• 26:12
  Marilee: And I, you know, I like I said, I've been activating now for you know the last 11 years.
• 26:16
  Marilee: But my my last blood work, so taking a functional medicine approach to it and looking at 162 biomarkers.
• 26:23
  Marilee: Yeah.
• 26:24
  Marilee: My the calendar says I'm 1H, but uh my blood work says I'm 18.2 years younger, which is just so amazing.
• 26:32
  Marilee: But the I chalk it up to activation and just this 100%.
• 26:37
  Marilee: Yeah.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I I'm gonna be totally, I'm gonna admit, I don't eat a perfect diet.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: I probably sometimes don't eat enough.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not as creative with my diet.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just I'm just not.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: But between these products and and now adding this stuff called P84, which has 84 things for your gut and all this nutritional value, uh it just that's all I can really say.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: It that it is the reason for that, because it's definitely not my perfect organic diet.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's my favorite foods are hamburgers and I I do love a pizza.
• 27:13
  Marilee: No, I would I I have to admit too, like I don't have a perfect per I don't have a perfect regimen, but I try.
• 27:18
  Marilee: I mean to work at it, I'm always conscious, and I do the best I can.
• 27:21
  Marilee: But you know, I I just love that we can activate from the inside and see the results.
• 27:26
  Marilee: I mean, there's so much proof to that.
• 27:28
  Marilee: Absolutely.
• 27:29
  Marilee: I love that.
• 27:30
  Marilee: So as we're closing this out, let me ask you one final question.
• 27:33
  Marilee: So if there was one thing you wish everyone understood about fascia and taking care as we age, what would it be?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh goodness.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like the one thing I want you to take away in regards to fascia is is that it's connected to everything, it's playing a role in everything you're feeling in your body.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: I promise you.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: I I promise you, there is not a single thing since learning about fascia and myofascia release specifically, I haven't been able to treat every single thing that has happened to me.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm saying I've had some things.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: I've had a major dog bite on my leg.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: I've had my face hit with a 60-pound object out of the ceiling.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: I have had, you know, joint injuries to my knee.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: I've had shoulder problems, I've had back issues.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's not a single thing that I haven't been able to impact with myofascia release.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I've had, you know, I've had both my babies at home, I had some trauma with that and myofascia release.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing else that I've specifically done to address all these things.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's connected to everything.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you're feeling in your body, you can never go wrong with treating your fascia.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 28:50
  Marilee: Amazing.
• 28:50
  Marilee: Yeah.
• 28:51
  Marilee: Well, and you already shared your protocol, you know, as as our audience, as our listeners are saying, okay, so what is it again that she talked about?
• 28:58
  Marilee: So this has been such a fantastic conversation.
• 29:01
  Marilee: I mean, we've talked about the pro tandem NRF2.
• 29:04
  Marilee: We talked about the liquid collagen.
• 29:07
  Marilee: We you also mentioned, and it's also my my favorite protocol is that Protonum NRF1 and Protonum NAD, amazing combination.
• 29:15
  Marilee: It's a really must have.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: The tri-synergizer.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I have noticed sometimes if I've run out and I maybe I just take protonum for a few days.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: The NAD, I do notice a difference in my sleep.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know what it is, but I that's why I'm like, I'm I'm always taking all three because it's most bang for your buck.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: I I like that.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: You get the mo you get the synergistic effect of that.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: And also this P84 piece has completely transformed my gut.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, from a, you know, when your gut is not right, you can also have referred pain.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: You can have back pain, you can have hip pain, you get all sorts of discomfort when your gut is inflamed.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, or if you have anything acute going on there, that's been absolutely transformational for me.
• 29:57
  Marilee: Absolutely.
• 29:58
  Marilee: I would agree with you 100% across the board.
• 30:00
  Marilee: And goodness, this is just such a powerful.
• 30:03
  Marilee: I mean, I could talk to you for hours about this conversation, and you've been just a great person to just educate me as well along the way.
• 30:10
  Marilee: And I thank you for that.
• 30:11
  Marilee: But I hope this helped in just bringing an awareness to our audience about fascia, myofascial release, activation, and why it's just don't miss that piece of it.
• 30:22
  Marilee: It's just so key.
• 30:23
  Marilee: Healthy glow stack, tri-synergizer, p84, just such such great supporting pieces to this.
• 30:30
  Marilee: But I would just encourage you, if you're listening, get back to the person that invited you to listen to this if you have more questions.
• 30:37
  Marilee: And for sure, join us every Wednesday.
• 30:40
  Marilee: We've got another episode of Wellness Wednesday where we're talking about different facets of your health and how activation can play a role in that.
• 30:47
  Marilee: So, Kathleen, this has been an amazing conversation.
• 30:50
  Marilee: As always, such a pleasure to have you on.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: As a therapist, I want to put my hands on people now.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like just, I'm like ready to do more.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I can't.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for having me.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: I hope, I hope you all go out there and and you know, explore this a little bit more.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Explore supporting your body, not only mechanically but biologically with activation.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a really they're all really important pieces of the puzzle.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Couldn't say it better.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 31:18
  Marilee: Thank you so much for being here.
• 31:19
  Marilee: And thank you to everyone listening.
• 31:21
  Marilee: I appreciate your time.
• 31:23
  Marilee: All right.
• 31:23
  Marilee: Thank you, everyone.
• 31:24
  Marilee: Have a great day.