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Why Ellie Kildunne Is So Good At Rugby | MindSets Podcast | Episode 84 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Mindsets
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  Podcast. This week we're on episode 84.
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  Charles, how you doing? I'm very well.
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  Thank you. How you doing?
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  I'm fantastic. The weather today, for those of
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  you we're just going to break the the 4th wall, whoever is is
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  currently Wednesday the week before this podcast comes out
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  and the weather is absolutely stunning here in London.
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  Yeah. I don't know how long that's
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  going to last for though. Probably a day, yeah.
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  But what I would say as well is I don't know who this needs to
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  go to, but the weather should be this every day of the year and
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  not not any hotter. I give you reckon this is the
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  pinnacle, I think the ideal. Weather 24° Very few clouds in
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  the sky. I think that is to.
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  Live in, Yeah. I don't know.
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  If I'm on holiday, I want it to be a bit hotter.
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  Yeah, but like, because we don't have air con hair and stuff like
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  that, I can sleep, I can enjoy my time, I can get vitamin D
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  life's great. Interestingly, I put up a post
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  asking for people's grind my gears and we got more this week
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  and most other weeks. So apparently the sun hasn't
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  affected anyone there. We'll get to that.
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  Like we'll also get to today's topic.
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  So do you want to run everyone through what today's topic is?
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  So today we're following our theme, our current theme of kind
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  of dissecting sports persons and their training.
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  We're not actually dissecting the person.
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  Yeah, it's not what we did. It didn't sound, it didn't sound
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  right, did it? We're dissecting their training
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  and today we're going to be talking about Ellie Kildun, who
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  is a English rugby player. She won the World Cup with the
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  Red Roses last year. She currently plays for the club
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  Harlequins. In 2024 she was voted World
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  Rugby Player of the Year, so she's got lots of accolades.
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  She's an incredible rugby player and in light of the start of the
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  Women Six Nations, which is going to happen for us this
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  weekend, for you guys, it's already.
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  Started. Yeah.
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  But we thought it'd be cool to look at her training and and
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  kind of discuss it in a little bit more detail.
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  Yeah, especially because women's sport at the moment is
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  developing very rapidly, quite rightly so.
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  But also I would say that the Red Roses, and we'll get into
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  this, is on the forefront of women's sport.
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  So it's like quite interesting to talk about how the most elite
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  athlete in the most elite program currently trains.
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  And then you can also see the gap from that if you guys are
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  interested in your training or you once played rugby maybe when
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  you were younger, and you can see how different that is now at
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  those different levels. But we're going to get to that
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  because what do we always start with?
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  We always start with the news. And I'm actually going to hand
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  back over to you again because you've prepared the news this
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  week. I'm so bad on the pressure 2.
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  Minutes. Are you ready to go?
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  I'm. Going to do my best, yeah. 321
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  go. So Jimmy Gracia, who's a French
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  middle distance runner, he smashed the European 5K road
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  world record, Sorry, the European 5K record 1251, which
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  shakes out as a 234 per. Kilometer.
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  He was dressed in full white as well.
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  Super super. Lovely uniform.
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  Yeah. Yeah, he looked good.
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  Kimi Antoneli wins back-to-back Grand Prix he just won in Japan,
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  which means that Mercedes have won the first 3 Grand Prix this
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  season, so it's looking good for them.
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  Big one There's a goose and duck feather shortage in the world of
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  badminton, so the badminton governing bodies have allowed
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  the use of synthetic shuttlecocks in competition.
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  This is the kind of news you do not get from other platforms.
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  This is why we're. Huge Coventry, the Big Sky
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  Blues. They're on on course for
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  automatic promotion to the Premier League next season.
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  Courtney Laws announces his return to the English
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  Premiership Rugby. He signed for Sale in a bid to
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  get back to the England squad ahead of the World Cup next
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  year. Scotty Scheffler, favorite for
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  this year's Masters off the back of last week's episode.
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  If you haven't listened to that already, McElroy pulled out of
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  the Arnold Palmer about a month ago with a back twinge.
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  But he is going to be starting the Masters this weekend and I
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  think that's all I've got. Yeah, OK.
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  So with the you've done very well there.
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  You've done that in like a minute and 15 seconds.
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  So for those that are local to London and your favorite thing
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  about rugby is not the tries, it's nice, not all of that.
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  It's the it's the nitty gritty in the scrummaging.
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  There is actually a scrum championship starting in which
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  the entire game is is scrummaging.
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  So you can go along all those big boys that do not feel like
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  they get enough love and big girls, I should say specific to
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  this episode that want to go along and and show off their
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  talents in scrummaging. Go check it out.
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  It's definitely one way of spending a weekend, isn't?
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  It there's a really niche part of the rugby community who's
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  going to absolutely love that. Yeah, so, but I don't know how
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  it works. It's just literally scrum time.
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  Yeah. No, no, it's, it's like winning
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  the scrum and it's like like you spill points on that, I believe.
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  Like, well, at least I've watched rugby for on and off,
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  like let's say 25 years. I still have no idea how the
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  scrum works. That's because you were a bat
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  and so was I scrum. Penalties.
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  I'm like, that's 5050. Yeah, the ref doesn't even know.
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  As far as I was concerned, as long like the way that the scrum
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  should work is that the ball gets put in by the team that
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  wins the scrum. Like that's how I designed it in
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  my head. If that doesn't happen and I'm
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  I'm happy about that as a back, if the team that I'm playing
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  against, they put the ball in, in my head, they should still
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  win. They should be on defense
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  always. I'm OK with that.
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  That's how it when it changes. Not ready.
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  Don't like that. That's a lot.
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  So classic. Well, that rounds us off.
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  We actually did do that nicely inside 2 minutes and then we
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  started being comedians as usual.
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  We need to move on to grind my gears.
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  So grind my gears if you are new to this or you've not
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  experienced many episodes in this grammar gears, you guys do
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  a fantastic job of getting angry the same way that we do about
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  things in life. And then through our social
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  media at Mindsets under score podcast, people send us in
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  what's been annoying them and then we basically go through it
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  and we validate you or we call you out.
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  You don't have to be anonymous, but you can be if you really
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  have to be. Do you want to start us off?
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  Unfortunately, I can't be anonymous.
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  No, you can't. My one's, well, one of mine.
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  We've got a long list. That's why you like.
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  We've got to get into it. We have to get.
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  Through this, we've got a. Long list.
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  Yeah, I've been accused a lot recently of and I put it in
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  inverted commas, you don't train.
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  And I, I, I've stopped posting basically on social media.
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  I used to do a lot of posting about my training, what I was
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  doing. And I think off the back of not
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  posting any more, people have just assumed that I've dropped
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  off the face of the earth and no longer do any sort of fitness.
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  Which I I don't know why I feel so offensive to me, but I get
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  really offended by it. It's a personality, that's why.
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  It must be because I'm like, do they just think I'm genetically
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  gifted? Because I for damn sure I'm not.
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  So yeah, when people are like, yeah, but you don't really
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  train. I do a lot of training,
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  actually. So I had a bit of a sarky moment
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  on my Instagram story today where I just posted a photo of
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  me and said I don't train. Topless.
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  Yeah, that's topless. Yeah, fairly obviously.
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  He he either. I'm scared about what you're
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  going to. Say he either does train a lot
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  or he's another grind my gear and he's using a hell of a lot
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  of peptides. That can't be on the Internet.
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  For the record, I do not use any peptides.
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  Cool. And it's not one of the one.
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  Of the ground in my gears is that peptides are just being
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  pushed by everybody. And just to clear this up for
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  people, because a lot of people don't know if peptides are legal
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  or not. They're not a legal drug for you
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  to use. They are sold under research
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  purposes. Now, just to sort of allow you
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  to understand this, there are a lot of countries you can go to
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  in Europe where you can buy drugs over the counter.
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  And when I say drugs, I mean the ones that are illegal in this
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  country, but they are being sold as what is it?
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  What's it called when you go on holiday by fridge magnet?
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  So like they're being sold as novelty items.
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  So like it is actually, let's say weed.
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  You can buy weed sometimes it's got the THC removed.
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  You can buy that over the counter because it's
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  decriminalised, but like if you're seen buying it, you'll
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  get in trouble kind of thing. So like peptides are basically
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  that version. You should not be using them for
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  anything other than research and therefore you should not be
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  telling anyone else to use them without like having done
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  research. But the whole thing is just,
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  it's a really sham market. It's a terrible 1.
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  And so, yeah, this is a good. One, but you can you can get
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  peptides for anything, can't you?
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  You like, you name it. You name an issue and you're
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  like, I want to look more tanned, Yeah.
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  So interestingly, I saw a guy on Instagram doing this.
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  He did a 14 day experiment. I don't know, I don't know what
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  it was called. Some like worrying amount of
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  numbers and letters. And he injected that everyday 14
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  days. And he genuinely looked like
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  he'd been on a two week holiday talking about.
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  And he did mention some of the side effects of it and he was
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  like, maybe this will catch on. But like all we got from the
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  research in rats, etcetera, like just don't do it.
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  I mean, enough stuff is coming out about as MP and bone density
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  now, but I'm sure a lot of people would consider maybe not
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  doing that unless they really need it.
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  And I, I do still think there's a place for that kind of thing
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  where people maybe have lost control in their life.
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  And for them it's like, well, I either die of being overweight
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  or I die from whatever as MP kids, but at least I'm a bit
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  more happy. Fair enough with some of these
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  things, just because an influencer says it's good or is
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  being paid to say that's good, because remember that can
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  happen, doesn't mean you should be doing it.
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  Anyway. We'll move on from that swiftly
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  on. Give me another one of yours.
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  OK, this next one was sent in. I'm going to keep her anonymous.
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  I don't think she'd care, but she'll be anonymous.
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  Eating in the gym, more specifically PTS or coaches
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  eating in the gym. More specifically PTS whilst
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  coaching a client eating in the gym more specifically, which I
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  think is her main problem. OK.
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  Is the personal trainer in question was peting their client
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  whilst eating boy kibble? Do you want to define for
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  everyone what boy kibble is? So boy kibble is rice and beef
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  mince? Yeah, man kibble is rice, beef
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  mince, and vegetables. He was eating specifically boy
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  kibble. Oh, OK.
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  Yeah, yeah. So just rice, beef mince.
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  I feel like I'm going to get a lot of hatred on the Internet
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  for the amount that I eat boy kibble.
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  But I'm into it and I like it and I'm a a big advocate.
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  I've actually not had explicitly, as you described it,
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  boy kibble a lot, because I thought boy kibble was pretty
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  much just any meat, relatively lean with rye.
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  But I guess that's that's it. Yeah, and and do you know what?
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  It might not be deemed as the most professional thing.
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  You wouldn't do a big meeting in a corporate job while eating out
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  on the Tupperware, but like. I think like do.
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  You know what? You're just being a good example
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  to your client, so fuel. Yeah, the fuelling thing I get,
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  but I'm also like as APT working in a gym.
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  Are you just eating that to make it look like that's what you
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  normally eat? But actually you go home and
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  like eat pizzas, which is also fine.
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  Balance is cool. Balance is cool.
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  So cool. I think why this specific
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  example is frustrating for the person who sent it in was they
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  kept leaving their food on equipment that likes like sat on
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  the leg press where a person should be SAT, not your
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  Tupperware full of beef and rice.
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  OK, I need to, I need to keep this more concise, but I do want
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  to mention that in my newer gym, which is a lovely facility, much
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  cleaner, everything like that, Everyone has a habit of wiping
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  everything down all the time. And you know what?
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  So here for it, because everyone else is sway bastard.
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  I at times AM, and when I am I will do the courtesy of wiping
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  down. But sometimes I haven't sweat.
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  It was my first set I've warmed up something like that.
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  I'm not going to wipe it down, but the evils I look I get
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  sometimes when I leave a machine and there's there's nothing say
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  I was ever on it sounds like don't want it done.
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  It's like I'm in a hoodie and I yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, I do. I do like it when I see people
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  respecting the equipment and wiping it down.
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  But yeah, there's sometimes overkill, isn't there?
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  Yeah, OK. Some other good ones that are
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  weather related. First one is that the weather
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  being good means that social media is just pub gardens.
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  Now that is kind of annoying. The second one is.
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  The wrong people. The the, the the track is being
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  overloaded with people again, and specifically this one came
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  from Freddie Cree. Where were all of you fuckers?
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  He didn't actually say that, obviously I'm paraphrasing, but
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  where were all of you when it was January and raining?
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  Yeah, that's my my morning crew at Battersea Park when it was
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  cold and dark and pre 6:00 AM before the lights come on and
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  you're running. Relax.
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  It was me and maybe like four other people.
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  Just you and the other bozos. Smash and relax.
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  And now it's I, I, I mean, I love to see it.
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  Like, it's so busy with people running around the park, but
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  it's like a lot of people. There should be social lanes.
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  Yeah, they should. A bit like swimming.
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  Speed lane, fast lane. OK, another one we've had a re
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  entry of vapists for, for clarification for those that
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  don't know what that is, people that vape are all vapists.
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  You're a child. It's like using flavoured
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  toothpaste. We've gone through that.
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  You leave flavoured air around and it's horrible that people
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  have to breathe in what's already been in your mouth.
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  You wanted to add to this. Yeah, it was coincidence because
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  we both put vaping on the list or you put vapists.
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  Vaping, I think vapists is a word.
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  That should catch on outside of like fitness events.
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  And obviously the fitness event I'm talking about is high rocks,
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  but there were so many people coming out of the venue and then
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  just standing outside to vape and I'm like, this is just the
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  worst look ever. But worse than that, when we
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  were on the plane back from Toulouse, the guy sat in front
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  of us. I just need to smoke.
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  I need to we're we're sat on the runway, like about to take off
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  the guy vape pen for all of you watching on Spotify and YouTube.
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  He took his vape inside the shirt.
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  Did the old look around to see if there's any people watching?
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  Does the old vape again? He like holding the flavored air
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  in his mouth. Does the old look around and
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  then just like subtly? Did you tell on him?
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  No, I don't like confrontation. I.
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  Would so tell him. Excuse me?
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  No, I'd I'd make it. I'd be like, sorry, there's
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  smoke, there's smoke. Try and like make it like an
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  emergency so that he's like, no, no, no, it's just me vaping.
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  I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. Let him.
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  Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't tell.
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  The plane was such a prick me. Yeah, it was tough.
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  Not a fan of that. OK, we've got a we've got a few
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  more to come through here quickly.
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  One, this is a personal experience from today.
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  Oh, no, toilets that don't lock but look like they're locked.
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  So I locked the door to my knowledge, and I always check
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  because of like just it's a horrible scenario if that
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  doesn't lock. That's not the worst scenario.
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  So like I was in the toilet and someone just started opening the
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  door. And the worst thing about it is
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  honestly, it's just an egg. Like fortunately they didn't see
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  me in this case. And I have had that happen where
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  like the toilet's the other side of A room.
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  You can't make it. Yeah, you can't.
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  You just sort of I've sat there. Yeah, accept your.
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  And if you're, if you're sat down, real compromising
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  position. Anyway, I managed to stop the
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  door. But like the the ickiest thing
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  about that whole scenario is that you have to pass them
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  again. What comes out of your mouth is
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  horrible because it's so British, but you're like, oh,
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  sorry, now I'm just dying and I don't want to be here.
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  And I I now don't want to leave the toilet for two minutes
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  because I need you gone. Like we cannot know who that
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  was, who that was. I need to be confident that it
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  could be anyone in the building. Please God, when I come out of
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  here, you not stood there waiting.
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  Do you know the the most fearful 1 you know on on trains where
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  they have the like the sliding door, the electric door and you
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  have to like press the button? And it opens and it doesn't.
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  The fear. To know that that's locked or
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  not. Because it also, it doesn't just
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  like open a bit, it's like wide open.
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  And if you were to close it again, it would just be like.
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  Oh, just waving. Horrible.
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  That one's so tough. You've got another one.
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  OK, I feel like you might be upset about this.
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  No. OK, When people use songs on
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  their Instagram stories that are like specific to the thing that
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  they're posting, OK, So the best example is a photo of a dog and
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  someone will go with the song who let the dogs out as an
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  example, OK. But we've in the past said it
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  annoys us on Instagram story posts when people don't use a
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  song that's rival towards. Going well now I'm just going a
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  level further. There's etiquette to it.
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  OK, I would rather you use music and do it incorrectly like this
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  and not use music. The correct use of this song is
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  if someone's feet are out, who let the dogs out?
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  That's that's right. But yeah, I, I.
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  Do you know what I mean? Actually, I'm on board with.
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  That or like driving the car and or like the sunset and they've
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  put some Zac Bryan and pink pink skies.
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  There's another level to this that Charles isn't going to
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  bring up, but you have kind of gone viral a little bit when
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  your reels reels about Key Hutchinson, and one of the
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  comments is honestly just bizarre.
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  But I'm pretty sure you put up a story post the next day and the
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  song was relevant to that. Am I right?
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  Am I speaking Charles code? Because the words of this, it
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  was a Drake song and it was like something about my comments and
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  something like that. So no, I don't want to give away
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  my trade secrets, but but often so, so so this is then because I
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  don't want it to sound hypocritical because I wouldn't
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  put like, I don't know, like the, the, the the sunset photo
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  and then type in sunset and then put the the song that comes up
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  because sometimes Instagram suggests song.
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  Instagram uses AI to look at what's in your photo and then
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  suggest. Something right?
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  Yeah, that's probably the worst, But I will use music that's
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  relevant to the environment or the situation or like the people
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  that were there. So it's like if we were
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  listening to a certain song when I took that photo or we were
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  training to some music, I'll use that.
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  So it's like it's always specific and there's always
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  like, I'll think about the lyrics, OK?
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  I'm never just posting a song because it's like.
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  Another Rd. tangent because it seems to be what we're good at,
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  but you don't have TikTok. Have you ever done the thing on
• 18:20
  someone else's TikTok where you just take a photo of yourself,
• 18:22
  selfie just how you're looking at the phone and it gives a
• 18:25
  sound. But like, it doesn't do the
• 18:26
  Instagram thing where it gives you like music, it just gives
• 18:28
  you a round sound. No.
• 18:30
  Hilarious. We'll do it after this because
• 18:32
  it honestly is so, so funny. Follow us on TikTok.
• 18:36
  Follow us on TikTok. The results?
• 18:38
  Actually, that's a super simple content.
• 18:41
  Idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:42
  Last one back to me. I went to hit balls the other
• 18:47
  day at the driving range and there's like, I think this is I
• 18:52
  don't like it when people who aren't qualified give on this
• 18:55
  advice. Doesn't matter the situation.
• 18:57
  That's so me. But like, I think that's derived
• 19:00
  from people trying to coach in my classes who just don't know
• 19:03
  what they're talking about. Whatever at the driving range,
• 19:07
  bays upon bays upon bays, it was busy of like, because it was
• 19:12
  Easter weekend, I guess, of people who were just like trash
• 19:16
  at golf, but they brought their mate who was even more trash
• 19:20
  than trying to teach them and be like, yeah, you should hold it
• 19:23
  like this. And then it's like trying to use
• 19:25
  terminology that they've just made-up in their head that
• 19:27
  sounds good. And like, it was just so hard to
• 19:30
  watch. I'm like, I'm not a golf coach
• 19:33
  but I was just like, you shouldn't be helping your mates.
• 19:36
  Again, if I'm, if I'm trying to help someone, like I have helped
• 19:39
  a lot of my friends with golf stuff before, but I am better
• 19:42
  than them. But I'm also doing it from a
• 19:44
  perspective of like icon. I'm not telling you what I do.
• 19:47
  I'm telling you scientifically what you're doing wrong.
• 19:50
  Your your left foot should not be leaving the ground.
• 19:53
  That's kind of what I'm giving you.
• 19:55
  I also sometimes will be like, try and swing with your eyes
• 19:58
  closed. Yeah, yeah.
• 19:59
  Just like, stop trying to hit the ball.
• 20:00
  Oh yeah, yeah, that kind of thing.
• 20:02
  Yeah. Like I'm not going to be like,
• 20:03
  oh bro, like you should interlock 2 fingers.
• 20:06
  But yeah, one's great, yeah. Or I'm just like, they're
• 20:09
  obviously they've gotten like no aptitude to coaching anyway,
• 20:12
  because what they're doing is like rattling off a list of
• 20:15
  things that they've like red and golf weekly or something.
• 20:18
  And they're like, move feet and then do this.
• 20:20
  And then you should be swinging from your shoulders.
• 20:22
  And it's like, it's just too much stuff.
• 20:23
  And I'm like, if you're an actual coach, you should give
• 20:25
  them one thing. And it would probably be like,
• 20:27
  move your hips that you're going to punch someone in the face.
• 20:29
  Do you know what I mean? Like, but whatever.
• 20:33
  Well, that brings us to the end of the ground my gears, guys.
• 20:35
  If you have things that or if that has brought things to the
• 20:37
  surface of stuff that's been going on with you recently, make
• 20:39
  sure you send us a message. You don't have to wait till
• 20:41
  something's up on the story. Dude.
• 20:42
  Just ping us a message. We do love that there is
• 20:45
  actually one from this is going to annoy Venla because she's
• 20:49
  sent them in before and we've not gone through them.
• 20:51
  I will come back to it next episode, but we we do need to
• 20:53
  move. On We Still want to be like the
• 20:55
  boys on the Mindsets podcast, Never doing Pretty sure it is.
• 20:58
  Sorry, Venla. Or or do you know what, 10
• 21:00
  seconds Venla he go because we had this as a multiple and I've
• 21:02
  experienced as well people not letting you off things.
• 21:05
  In her case lift, she wasn't allowed out of the lift.
• 21:08
  She had to ask people to move out of the way.
• 21:09
  So she should get off at her floor.
• 21:11
  My case on the tube, I was being really patient, letting everyone
• 21:14
  else get off and then everyone made a wall in front of me and I
• 21:16
  had to be like, guys, let me off.
• 21:18
  Hate being that person. And someone else said the same
• 21:21
  about escalators. Just people standing in the way
• 21:23
  and not letting anybody else come past.
• 21:25
  You sounded much more polite than I.
• 21:26
  Oh, I've gone through that. I hope you appreciate that
• 21:28
  vendor and anyone else that that may feel like we have a won't
• 21:32
  mention their grandma gears. We will.
• 21:34
  We'll go through the effort anyway.
• 21:36
  We did say, and This is why we say at the start of the podcast
• 21:38
  so that we don't lose you guys. Ellie Kildonn, we're going
• 21:42
  through her training. I've been listening to some of
• 21:45
  her podcasts recently. It would be great if she was
• 21:48
  able to come on. So if anyone knows any, any, any
• 21:50
  way of getting her on, then please do let us know.
• 21:52
  Ellie, if you're listening to this message, I know it's a busy
• 21:55
  time. I know it is a busy time right
• 21:56
  now. You do have the Six Nations on.
• 21:59
  But yeah, do you want to give us a bit more of a wider intro as
• 22:01
  to who Ellie is for those that aren't so on top of it, and then
• 22:05
  we can actually dive into why her training is interesting.
• 22:08
  So Ellie, like I said at the beginning, probably most
• 22:12
  famously known because she was a World Cup winner with the Red
• 22:15
  Roses last year, which was fantastic.
• 22:18
  But I mean, English rugby has been like crazy dominant to the
• 22:23
  point where it's like, I don't need to watch it because I know
• 22:25
  England, they're going to win. And that's like such a nice
• 22:27
  place for English women's rugby to be at.
• 22:30
  And as a result, there's been such like a huge like, not
• 22:36
  resurgence, but like so many girls wanting to get into
• 22:39
  playing rugby, which is so good for the sport.
• 22:42
  But yes. So she also plays a club rugby
• 22:44
  at Harlequins in West London. I believe she has been there for
• 22:49
  a few years now. She used to play at Wasps and
• 22:51
  then jumped across the Harlequins.
• 22:53
  Before that she was at Harbury. So played her rugby at Harbury.
• 22:57
  Her position, she plays full back.
• 22:59
  So for anyone who doesn't know positions in rugby, that's kind
• 23:03
  of like you split the the team in half.
• 23:05
  Basically. You have the Fords who do all of
• 23:07
  the The Dirty work or the scrummage.
• 23:09
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you're into that.
• 23:12
  Unsung. Here.
• 23:12
  Yeah, there's a tournament for that.
• 23:14
  And then the backs, you get all the glory who run in and score
• 23:18
  the points basically. But she plays full back part of
• 23:21
  the back 3. So she's basically a covering
• 23:24
  position. So she'll cover kicks, she'll
• 23:26
  cover people who breakthrough the line, does a lot of hard
• 23:29
  work around the back in the fence, but a lot of what she's
• 23:33
  known for is her speed, skill and then also her ability to
• 23:38
  catch highballs basically. So I used to play fullback and
• 23:41
  when I played fullback, the top three skills when I was playing
• 23:45
  that set me apart from some of the other people with where I
• 23:47
  got to in the sport was my ability to catch the balls that
• 23:51
  are high because a rugby ball does not move normally in the
• 23:53
  air you can imagine. And then so being able to take
• 23:56
  that without knocking on and also not giving it to the
• 23:59
  opposition. The other thing was being able
• 24:01
  to make the last tackle when someone breaks through the line
• 24:04
  because you're you're kind of the last line of defence.
• 24:06
  And the biggest impact and what would get you noticed the scouts
• 24:11
  as a young player would be to get involved in the action when
• 24:15
  you're trying to score a try and being skilful.
• 24:17
  So because you're a full back, you don't have a position.
• 24:20
  So ordinarily scrum half fly half inside centre, outside
• 24:24
  centre wingers and then you've got the full back chilling and
• 24:25
  lag. As a full back, you can
• 24:29
  basically insert yourself wherever you want that very
• 24:33
  carefully. Yeah, I was.
• 24:34
  I'd use exactly the same words, so.
• 24:36
  If I see an opportunity between the inside centre and the
• 24:40
  outside centre because they don't have anyone that that
• 24:43
  could possibly tackle me, then I'll yell and scream for it and
• 24:47
  I'll take it in between the two of them if I have to.
• 24:49
  They might not even know about it and then I can burst through
• 24:51
  the line, go sort of 20 meters down before I get tackled and
• 24:53
  then we offload the ball again. That's the fun of it.
• 24:56
  And if you're a high IQ full back, then you really understand
• 25:00
  and you have to understand the flow of the game so that you
• 25:02
  know, OK, do I need to be up on the line to help defend at this
• 25:07
  particular point because we're around the field?
• 25:08
  Or is someone going to try and do something cheeky and kick it
• 25:12
  over my head? If they're going to do that, if
• 25:13
  they're going to do that, where are they going to put it?
• 25:15
  That kind of thing, you need to be able to move around and
• 25:17
  really like spin your head and get to the opposite direction of
• 25:22
  seemingly where the game is going because you've seen a
• 25:24
  weakness like you see a point of attack that.
• 25:26
  Kind of it's got to be one of the most challenging positions
• 25:30
  on the field in terms of making the right decision and like
• 25:34
  where you position the where you put yourself in the field at,
• 25:37
  like you say, a different situations.
• 25:39
  But I saw a funny thing. She was in an interview, I think
• 25:42
  it was some kind of like red carpet event.
• 25:43
  And they were like, Ellie, what's the biggest lie I've ever
• 25:46
  told? And she said that when she got
• 25:49
  phoned up to like, the phone call to call her up to the
• 25:53
  England squadge, they were like, oh, you play a lot of fall back,
• 25:56
  don't you? And she'd never played full back
• 25:58
  in her life before. And she was like, yeah, So it's
• 26:01
  kind of like, I don't know how much of that is actually true,
• 26:03
  but it's like fake it so you make it, which I thought was
• 26:05
  really awesome. But she's obviously done a very
• 26:07
  good job at learning. And like you say, because she's
• 26:10
  speedy, because she's got good ball handling skills and she's
• 26:13
  obviously got a good aptitude for learning and understanding
• 26:16
  and reading the game she's fucking good at.
• 26:18
  Fullback, I'm going to counteract what I said
• 26:21
  previously about like it being quite a high IQ and like you're
• 26:24
  the last time defence, you're a very important position because
• 26:28
  you can hide A player at fullback because like they don't
• 26:31
  have to be involved. See the opposite being if you
• 26:35
  have someone like Ellie that is extremely talented at full back,
• 26:39
  you notice that straight away because it almost gives a team
• 26:43
  an extra player because they are usually then your job as a full
• 26:46
  back isn't to always be on the attacking, isn't to always be on
• 26:49
  the defending. It's to be a bit of both.
• 26:51
  It's like the central midfield of like a football game kind of.
• 26:55
  So when you have a good one it's obvious and when you have a bad
• 26:58
  one it's actually not that obvious.
• 27:00
  So like you can kind of get away with it.
• 27:02
  I guess it does the pen because it's like how, how often do you
• 27:05
  see an international rugby, especially where the team who's
• 27:08
  attacking, let's say the context is there in the 22 and then
• 27:13
  there's maybe a mismatch on the outside and you throw a pass and
• 27:16
  it beats 2 defenders and then there's heaps of space on the
• 27:19
  outside and you're like well actually where was the full
• 27:21
  back? Or they put in a little click
• 27:23
  kick over the top and you're like how they scored that, Where
• 27:25
  was the full back? So it's like right close to
• 27:28
  home, if you're defending and the full back's out of position,
• 27:32
  that's when it shows. But like you say, if you're
• 27:35
  attacking or you don't want someone to have the ball or
• 27:38
  you're not in a very vulnerable position, you might as well not
• 27:40
  have a full back at some point. Exactly.
• 27:42
  I see what you're saying. But yeah, as we also mentioned
• 27:45
  it slightly earlier, but the Red Roses as a as a team are really
• 27:51
  like at the forefront of training technology, that kind
• 27:54
  of thing in women's sport. They take a lot of of see what
• 27:57
  goes on in the men's program over, but they one of the things
• 28:01
  I actually heard Eddie talking about on a different podcast was
• 28:04
  actually from the health side of things.
• 28:06
  So she'll actually do a lot of her training on her own away
• 28:09
  from the red roses. But when they come to like
• 28:11
  training camps, specifically when it's like the sevens
• 28:15
  training camps, they go on for multiple weeks.
• 28:17
  Every single time they turn up to the facility in the morning,
• 28:20
  they have a check box of how they're feeling, both
• 28:23
  emotionally generally, but also related to their cycle because
• 28:27
  the cycle part of her training and the red roses training is
• 28:30
  like pivotal to how they program everything, which is obviously
• 28:33
  like it makes a lot of sense. One of the things that she said,
• 28:36
  and we're still staying on the broad topic of this at the
• 28:38
  moment is when it comes to her training, She didn't say that
• 28:42
  she lies on that form, but she definitely doesn't like to
• 28:46
  respect the question as much as it's asked purely because.
• 28:49
  And in her words, she said, if I'm like going to come on my
• 28:54
  period or some point and that happens to be the World Cup
• 28:57
  final, like am I going to check out because I have in training?
• 29:01
  Like there are some days you just got to suck up that like
• 29:03
  you've got a tough session and like you're not ideally primed
• 29:05
  for it. What she did say though, and
• 29:07
  what the host on that podcast did a good job of, and this was
• 29:09
  Women's Health podcast did a good job of talking about was
• 29:12
  actually there's quite a lot more research going on
• 29:14
  specifically into ACL injuries around certain points of a
• 29:18
  women's cycle. But.
• 29:19
  There, I'd say it's, it's broader than just ACL, it's.
• 29:22
  Just like, yeah, it's been a large amount of research on ACL
• 29:25
  specifically, but injuries in general there are and we've,
• 29:27
  we've said this before and performance, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:30
  Cycle, cycle massively, massively depends on that.
• 29:33
  The other thing that's quite interesting is when they go into
• 29:35
  these camps and they spoke about this less, but I don't
• 29:38
  understand this. I'm not going to pretend to
• 29:40
  Women sync up when they spend a lot of time around each other,
• 29:43
  which is like crazy to me. But like when women spend a lot
• 29:46
  of time together, their cycles can sync up, which means that
• 29:50
  you if you spend enough time together as a team, that guy
• 29:53
  should be somewhat more predictable.
• 29:54
  But at the beginning of a camp, it might be a complete Ed case
• 29:57
  for some of the coaching staff. The benefit obviously is that a
• 30:01
  large portion of the coaching staff is actually also female,
• 30:05
  so they're understanding it as well.
• 30:06
  So they do. So under qualified to be
• 30:09
  talking. About so under qualified but
• 30:10
  like it's. Fascinating.
• 30:11
  But in terms like the syncing up stuff and like, yeah, but in
• 30:14
  terms of like training around your cycle, I'm sure it's the
• 30:18
  same all professional level of female sport.
• 30:22
  It's so important in terms of like when you're peaking for
• 30:25
  your performance, when you can push hard, when you can lift
• 30:28
  heavy, when you can run hard, when you can run faster, versus
• 30:32
  actually you just need to be a bit kinder to your body.
• 30:34
  So yeah, I'm unsurprised that their trainings kind of
• 30:39
  associated with that. If we if we stay on the red
• 30:42
  roses for now before we go specifically down the path of
• 30:45
  Ellie, like is it, is it kind of staying on the top view?
• 30:49
  They if we talk about their camp, they have, well, we found
• 30:54
  a bit of a loose weekly structure.
• 30:55
  So part of camp when you bring the whole team together, and
• 30:58
  I've experienced this with American football.
• 30:59
  It's not just what you do on the field, it's partly bringing the
• 31:03
  team together through I'm a team.
• 31:05
  But one of the biggest things that you do is you review film
• 31:08
  and like this has become more and more of a thing in every
• 31:11
  sport where you do video analysis because it's such an
• 31:13
  important learning tool. So they will do a lot of game
• 31:16
  analysis from previous seasons, from previous competitions, yes,
• 31:19
  what you did wrongly, often what you did well and what you want
• 31:23
  to bring into this year, whether that is having like play designs
• 31:26
  that you want to call. And that is a thing in rugby,
• 31:28
  not just in American football. But then off the back of those
• 31:33
  sessions, as you're building this team, you want to take them
• 31:35
  into things like heavy gym sessions where you're pushing
• 31:37
  them and they're pushing each other.
• 31:38
  They're starting to build that competitive edge.
• 31:41
  I will be honest as well. I don't know how often this
• 31:43
  would happen here, but in a lot of training camps that I've
• 31:44
  experienced both in my personal life but also in other people's,
• 31:50
  you do boil over as a team sometimes.
• 31:53
  Quite often. There's been fights, there's
• 31:54
  been things said that it's just you wouldn't even imagine get
• 31:57
  said before these camps. But like the intention is to
• 31:59
  push you to that point of attrition where you resolve it
• 32:03
  as a team so that when that happens on game day, you have
• 32:06
  each other's backs. You're not actually like leaving
• 32:07
  that. Well, it's like there's there
• 32:08
  must be like an interesting dynamic because we can week out
• 32:12
  their rivals at club level. So it's like, yeah, so they've
• 32:17
  got the two factors you've got, OK.
• 32:18
  I really dislike this this person because they're on the
• 32:22
  opposition, not because it's a personal thing.
• 32:24
  They're they're they're my opponent.
• 32:26
  I want to beat them. And then you're kind of all
• 32:28
  brought together. And I think people often
• 32:30
  overlook whatever sport when you're coming together as an
• 32:32
  international team, you've got players from all different clubs
• 32:37
  and then just to expect them to instantly merge is really
• 32:39
  difficult. And that's why team selection
• 32:42
  from a coach's perspective, is so important as well.
• 32:44
  Yeah, and it's a big factor. I mean, I'm sure Ellie at the
• 32:47
  moment doesn't have too much of A worry about this.
• 32:49
  But for some players coming from their their club team to then go
• 32:53
  into a national program, you come from being the best player
• 32:56
  on your team. You come into the national
• 32:58
  program, there might be another, there might be another player
• 33:01
  who's considered the best player on their team who also just
• 33:03
  happens to be in the same position as you.
• 33:05
  And if the coaches can't find a way for you both to be on the
• 33:06
  field at the same time, you are going to go head to head and it
• 33:09
  is going to at some point get competitive and a little bit
• 33:11
  chippy or whatever so that that sort of thing happens.
• 33:14
  So that at the beginning of the week, apparently they tend to
• 33:18
  start things off with game analysis that sets you up for
• 33:20
  the understanding of what's coming for the week's training,
• 33:22
  why you're doing what you're doing.
• 33:23
  You do some gym sessions, you do some light skills to kind of
• 33:26
  introduce you to the week, kind of get the brain warmed up more
• 33:29
  than the body. But then Tuesday is the hardest
• 33:31
  day of training. So that's when you'll do a large
• 33:33
  amount of conditioning, You'll do sort of some Sprint work.
• 33:36
  Ellie's mentioned that also in her personal training, but as a
• 33:40
  big piece of training is like a 50 meter Sprint, A1 minute off
• 33:44
  50 meter Sprint. And you'll do that until coach
• 33:47
  is satisfied, which can be can be rough.
• 33:50
  I remember doing it. You'd have to touch a line and
• 33:53
  then the coach would inevitably lie and say one person didn't
• 33:56
  touch the line. So you've got to do it again.
• 33:57
  And it's just again testing your mental fortitude as a team, like
• 34:00
  who's going to break? Is someone going to go like, oh
• 34:02
  come on, why didn't you? Or are you going to be like,
• 34:04
  shut up, get on with it kind of thing.
• 34:07
  Then another typical thing, and I don't know if this actually
• 34:11
  stems from university and younger days in sport because
• 34:15
  university you have bucks in the UK and you have Wednesdays off
• 34:18
  sport or off uni to a degree because you have games.
• 34:22
  If you don't have games then because your training is built
• 34:25
  around the idea of normally you don't have Wednesday as a
• 34:27
  training day. They keep that consistent.
• 34:29
  So again, Ellie and her own training, but also I would take
• 34:35
  it as an understanding that they might do the same thing at the
• 34:37
  Red Roses level. You basically have Wednesday
• 34:38
  offer recovery. Now recovery, and we've spoken
• 34:41
  about this with elite athletes before, doesn't necessarily mean
• 34:43
  you sit on your sofa and do nothing, sure, but it means the
• 34:44
  training isn't necessary like a hard focus.
• 34:48
  You might do an easy effort, you might do something pretty light,
• 34:51
  just keep the body moving, refreshing after a tough day on
• 34:54
  the Tuesday. Thursday again back into some
• 34:57
  speed work. You might do some more game
• 35:00
  ready work where you do backs and forwards.
• 35:02
  You might do small units of that.
• 35:05
  Again, some skill work, a bit more contact towards this point
• 35:08
  in the week, they've done pretty low contact at that point, apart
• 35:12
  from some again, some heavier stuff on Tuesday.
• 35:16
  Friday, I've got it here from research that's called Captain's
• 35:19
  run. Not entirely sure why it is, but
• 35:20
  it's basically like a mini game I did.
• 35:23
  I'll start doing that Saturday in an ideal world that you'd
• 35:27
  have like a match day and then. I'd imagine captain's run is
• 35:33
  basically there'd, there'd be very little to no contact at
• 35:36
  that point because it's so close to game day.
• 35:37
  And often you'll do captain's run at the stadium.
• 35:40
  So it's like for some of the players who have never played in
• 35:43
  the Aliens or at Twickenham, just going into that environment
• 35:46
  with like 80,000 people there, it's like that's overwhelming.
• 35:51
  So it's like get on the field, give them an opportunity to
• 35:54
  acclimatize in the on the flip side, if you're travelling or
• 35:57
  whatever you're going to play in Scotland or you're going across
• 35:59
  to France, it's nice to be in the stadium and get orientated
• 36:02
  with that captain's run. You'll probably run some some
• 36:06
  lines, some backs moves, that kind of thing.
• 36:08
  Get the interlink play between some set pieces, off the line,
• 36:12
  out, maybe off the scrum and just kind of get the cohesion,
• 36:14
  get the confidence. A bit like a dress rehearsal.
• 36:17
  It's a bit like a shake out, shake out run for your your
• 36:20
  running race or your hierarchs or whatever.
• 36:22
  It's also, we did it in American football, we'd do walkthroughs
• 36:25
  where we'd literally have to play book and we'd walk through
• 36:26
  and everything and there'd be 0 contact.
• 36:28
  You'd split off into your units and you'd just work through some
• 36:31
  of that. And again, it's just like in
• 36:32
  rugby, it's getting the ball in the hands like nervousness.
• 36:35
  You can get sweaty palms, you can get jittery, things like
• 36:38
  just getting through that. I think also then like the
• 36:40
  kickers who kick off the tee, yeah, it's nice to then be able
• 36:43
  to like, see the post. Obviously there's no people in
• 36:46
  the stadium, but it's like, OK, do I have reference points?
• 36:49
  What's going to potentially be a distraction on game day?
• 36:51
  It's just like get the feel for it and understand how that might
• 36:55
  work as a dynamic on the day. Yeah, I mean, so basically as a
• 36:59
  top overview before we finally dive into Ellie's actual
• 37:01
  training is game speed. The Red Roses are known for
• 37:05
  being pretty slick with their skills and quite quick.
• 37:08
  So that is a a big focus. So drills are fast, they're
• 37:11
  under pressure and they're, they're kind of put to the point
• 37:14
  where they might fail things. And that's the learning point.
• 37:17
  And then how to do things under fatigue.
• 37:20
  Because if you're going to be a team that is known for being
• 37:22
  fast and skilful, there are going to be teams that try and
• 37:25
  bring a more heavy element to the game and try and wear you
• 37:28
  down when where those things no longer happen because you'd,
• 37:31
  you'd probably just given up on you.
• 37:33
  So they they do a lot of that and then they also do quite a
• 37:36
  lot of individualization in terms of focus between position
• 37:39
  groups. So the skills specific to that
• 37:42
  position get worked on under a magnifying glass before they get
• 37:45
  brought into the wider team. That's kind of the main things
• 37:48
  that are worth mentioning before we actually dive into Ellie's
• 37:51
  training. So if we go up to Ellie's
• 37:55
  training in the notes, she, as we have said outside of camp,
• 37:59
  will do a lot of her training actually on her own.
• 38:02
  There's actually a couple of reasons for this.
• 38:04
  In the women's game, not everybody's professional, so
• 38:07
  some of them have full time jobs, which means that as she's
• 38:10
  fortunate, I mean, off her own back to be playing the game full
• 38:14
  time, it makes sense for her to do a lot of her training on her
• 38:17
  own at a time that makes sense rather than rely on ex person
• 38:22
  who's coming from work and might be running late and like that
• 38:25
  might ruin the session, ruin fuelling, ruin every other plan.
• 38:28
  So she does do apparently quite a lot of her training at home.
• 38:31
  She also likes to take Wednesdays off or she'll try to
• 38:35
  manage her sort of PR days to be on Wednesday so that like it
• 38:40
  doesn't become a massive detriment to her training, which
• 38:43
  is, I mean, something Charlie spoke about weeks ago.
• 38:45
  Do you know what? We're going to have to do an
• 38:46
  episode where we don't talk about Charlie, but Charlie
• 38:49
  mentioned a week ago when he came in on the podcast, like
• 38:51
  Thursdays are his day where like it's usually easy.
• 38:54
  It's. Such some something that you, I
• 38:56
  guess you just so easily overlook.
• 38:58
  But like for all of these professional sports people, they
• 39:01
  have obligations to their sponsors.
• 39:05
  They want to go to events that they've been invited to.
• 39:08
  Yeah, it's, it's, I guess it's just something you have to deal
• 39:11
  with and and factor into your training.
• 39:13
  One of the really interesting things that Ellie has spoken
• 39:16
  about publicly is the her training is not what you might
• 39:21
  think for a rugby player in terms of her preference and her
• 39:23
  bias. She isn't the biggest fan of
• 39:27
  running. She actually doesn't like it.
• 39:28
  For someone that's as quick as she is and that has to do as
• 39:30
  much running as she does, she doesn't actually love running.
• 39:33
  So she might use different methods for getting her aerobic
• 39:35
  fitness in by all means. Just please tell me it's a cross
• 39:38
  track. No, I honestly don't know.
• 39:40
  She doesn't necessarily specifically say.
• 39:41
  I think she actually does quite a lot of cycling, but her
• 39:46
  running seems to maintain itself in terms of speed if she doesn't
• 39:49
  do any for a while, opposing to mine.
• 39:51
  But what she does say she struggles with is the strength
• 39:55
  side of things. And she spoke about her young
• 39:57
  life when she she was playing rugby before she went to Harbury
• 40:00
  College. She decided to go all in on
• 40:01
  rugby, I think when she was 16. So she moved away from home,
• 40:04
  went to Harbury, went all in. And because she was talented,
• 40:08
  she kind of coasted through being good at rugby until she
• 40:12
  started playing some more competitive teams and like, her
• 40:15
  career was becoming serious and that's when she realised like.
• 40:18
  OK, I need to get stronger because I'm not taking these
• 40:20
  hits very I'm not laying the hits so much as I'm receiving
• 40:24
  it. And that's where she started
• 40:26
  doing her gym training. But she freely admitted that
• 40:28
  like, she's pretty weak and like she was pretty weak.
• 40:32
  I guess it's also like her reference point, it's like
• 40:35
  that's relative to some of the other girls who like could be
• 40:37
  like crazy strong. So her going on really weak.
• 40:41
  She's not weak. Not she's not, not even close to
• 40:43
  being weak, but I understand like what that means for her.
• 40:46
  But she does say in her training.
• 40:47
  She wants to improve. If she if she removes focus from
• 40:51
  her, her gym sessions and her. Weight, she loses.
• 40:54
  It she loses. That way more quickly than like
• 40:56
  her ability to run. I think that's, and that's just
• 40:58
  like we say this all the time, it's as an athlete, you're
• 41:02
  probably biased towards something for her.
• 41:04
  She's just more aerobically biased than she is like power
• 41:08
  output and like being able to develop strength like that,
• 41:12
  which is but like on the flip of that, she's also really freaking
• 41:16
  fast. So she has like good aptitude to
• 41:18
  being fast, but maybe it's just not like this power strength
• 41:21
  thing. So one of the big things that
• 41:23
  people in life to a degree are fast that you can be born with
• 41:27
  genetic tendencies to be quicker than other people, but you
• 41:30
  absolutely do not keep that speed or get faster without
• 41:34
  running fast. So if we looking at like a kind
• 41:37
  of week program with her, Monday could be heavy lower body gym.
• 41:42
  And then as a result of it being relatively intense on her lower
• 41:45
  body already, she will do some speed work.
• 41:47
  It'll be very, very short distance, 10 to 20m bursts.
• 41:50
  The kind of thing if you're putting this into a game
• 41:52
  perspective, you're seeing that opportunity and you're seeing
• 41:55
  someone break, breakthrough the line and you've got a burst to
• 41:58
  get there. Those kind of quick bursts, not
• 42:01
  necessarily long recovery, getting out of the blocks kind
• 42:04
  of thing and acceleration work. And that's a pretty demanding
• 42:09
  day on the central nervous system.
• 42:10
  But then going into the next day, it's actually then working
• 42:13
  less on the acceleration, gradual building into some top
• 42:15
  speed work. And again, that's really where
• 42:18
  she sets herself apart from some of the other players in the
• 42:21
  women's game. So working on that and then a
• 42:24
  lot more of the skill stuff. So as as a full back, like you
• 42:28
  may not want to do all of the kicking, but you you need to
• 42:31
  know how to do it and it's a safety thing.
• 42:32
  It's a way to slow the game down.
• 42:34
  You need to be able to work in your kicking games.
• 42:36
  So that's when you do that sort of thing.
• 42:37
  You might also do some handling skills.
• 42:40
  And then if you can train with someone else on this particular
• 42:43
  day, this is where you might do some games, some competitive
• 42:46
  stuff to kind of blow the cobwebs off early on in the week
• 42:49
  in terms of being quick and a bit like the Red Roses
• 42:51
  methodology of like doing it under a bit of fatigue because
• 42:53
  you've just had two hard training days.
• 42:56
  Then we go into her Wednesday, quite literally, she says that
• 42:59
  like Wednesday is when she needs to catch up on the washing
• 43:02
  because as a pro athlete, I mean, we see this as non pro
• 43:05
  athletes. There's so much washing to be
• 43:06
  done. Honestly, I don't believe it.
• 43:09
  So then going into Thursday, this is where we do a little bit
• 43:14
  more like power focus, technique work and some conditioning
• 43:18
  stuff. So this is where you're doing
• 43:20
  some of the more complex movements in the gym.
• 43:22
  So you might be doing like cleans, you might be doing more
• 43:27
  like plyometric stuff as well, maybe adding some weight in
• 43:29
  there if it's deemed necessary. You're not 2 feet from earlier
• 43:32
  on in the week. Do you know what's just, I'm
• 43:34
  going to butt in here, but it's like what's consistent across
• 43:38
  everything that we talk about when it's specific to a pro
• 43:41
  athlete, like you could almost have a generic program, whatever
• 43:46
  sport you're doing. It's like we're going to have a
• 43:48
  little bit of this, a little bit of this and a little bit of
• 43:50
  this. And we can probably, it's so
• 43:52
  hard if you put Ellie's program in front of me, like all of the
• 43:55
  specifics that could be one of hundreds of different sports
• 44:00
  that it belongs to. And again, I said it on the kind
• 44:03
  of been the last podcast or the one before where I was just
• 44:06
  like, I feel like fitness and training is way more complicated
• 44:10
  than it needs to be. Always been made to be like
• 44:12
  that, where it's like just keep it simple, keep it specific to
• 44:16
  your sport, Do a little bit of this little bit of that and
• 44:18
  you're going to be fine. Big time.
• 44:19
  One of the interesting things off that though, the rugby
• 44:22
  players in particular and there are athletes, there'll be
• 44:25
  obvious ones to say this but need to consider and she has
• 44:28
  actually put up a list of exercises that she does in some
• 44:31
  of her gym sessions and most of her gym sessions will be more
• 44:33
  like full body targeted. But things like being on a
• 44:38
  bench, kneeling dumbbell row is an example.
• 44:41
  Things like RDLS, both barbell, dumbbell, seemingly mundane not
• 44:45
  flashy core exercises that you build a good generic foundation
• 44:49
  of strength for the full body. And part of that yes, is to have
• 44:53
  that foundation to build these other movements and generate the
• 44:56
  force, do the plyometrics, everything like that.
• 44:59
  Part of it is protection. You are in a contact sport.
• 45:03
  If you're someone like Ellie that runs faster than most
• 45:05
  people, that also means when you get stopped you go down harder
• 45:07
  than most people. Which means that you need to be
• 45:10
  doing the movements that generally protect your body
• 45:12
  using muscle than an athlete that maybe does skiing or like
• 45:19
  long distance running because they're not expecting to get hit
• 45:21
  by 1415 other players at a time. I there's just like I the force
• 45:27
  and impact that the whether it's the men's game, the women's game
• 45:30
  that they're suffering across 80 minutes of rugby is like mind
• 45:34
  blowing. And that's the one thing that I
• 45:36
  always think when I'm watching a rugby game, I'm just like, these
• 45:39
  guys are so tough. Like you get hit, like they get
• 45:43
  hit and there's no way you're getting back up and they're
• 45:45
  continuing to play for another 78 minutes.
• 45:48
  Yeah, it's like, it's actually wild.
• 45:49
  One of the other things that doesn't actually get mentioned
• 45:51
  by her, but again, I'm just going to safely assume, which is
• 45:54
  bold of me, safely assume that the things that happen again for
• 45:57
  rugby players with that scenario, things like neck
• 46:00
  training. I saw a really interesting
• 46:02
  statistic recently that for there was like AI can't be
• 46:08
  quoted on this. This is just because it's
• 46:10
  interesting, but generally the take away from it was from 75%
• 46:16
  of individuals that trained their neck once a week to a
• 46:19
  hypertrophy development experienced 13% lower likelihood
• 46:23
  of concussion. Interesting.
• 46:25
  Which is again for a professional athlete that does
• 46:27
  a. Were they the actual numbers?
• 46:30
  13%, definitely. I don't know if it was 75% that
• 46:34
  did. I've seen something similar
• 46:36
  actually recently. Which 13% doesn't sound like a
• 46:38
  lot if you're a player and we've had, we've had guests on the
• 46:41
  show previously that have experienced concussions.
• 46:43
  And the problem with when you've had one concussion, the tendency
• 46:45
  to get another concussion is way, way higher.
• 46:47
  So if you are of that case, a 13% reduction in likelihood is
• 46:52
  huge for you. Another thing that I probably
• 46:55
  don't get enough credit in the game of rugby is your gumshield
• 46:57
  as well. A good quality gumshield can
• 46:59
  stop the amount of force and basically you're looking for
• 47:02
  ways to absorb the impact without absorbing the impact and
• 47:05
  if your neck is a way of developing that.
• 47:07
  That's why a lot of rugby players even outside of the
• 47:09
  forwards seem to either have no neck or an extremely fat neck,
• 47:12
  and it's the same for Formula One.
• 47:14
  Then you need to be able to have your head take forces that it
• 47:17
  might not always expect. I think in and around the Men's
• 47:20
  Six Nations finishing I, I think it was BBC, but I definitely
• 47:25
  watched it on YouTube. Ben Young's previous England
• 47:30
  rugby player, he played scrum half for England for a long
• 47:34
  time. Must be like over 100 caps.
• 47:35
  One of the most capped England rugby players did a really,
• 47:39
  really, really good documentary on head injury and then the long
• 47:43
  term repercussion of the head injury.
• 47:47
  And he spoke to former teammates like Louis Moody, Steve
• 47:51
  Thompson, who played front row in 2003 World Cup among all
• 47:57
  other hosts. They they discussed the gun
• 47:58
  shield. They discussed the protocols.
• 48:01
  They discussed how players and how suing the RFU, how there's
• 48:04
  been massive lawsuits in the NFL around head safety.
• 48:07
  And they've paid out billions of dollars for pairs and
• 48:10
  compensation. Really, really interesting.
• 48:13
  It's quite like thought provoking as well.
• 48:15
  For we both played rugby and you.
• 48:17
  And when you're younger, I don't think you necessarily consider
• 48:21
  the long term issues that can come with playing a contact
• 48:25
  sport where your head inevitably gets hit.
• 48:28
  And watching rugby, I watch a lot of rugby and you're like
• 48:32
  even just the mundane and like the things that aren't really
• 48:36
  involved in the game. You see someone get hit in the
• 48:38
  head, kneed in the head, slapped in the head.
• 48:40
  And you're like the accumulation of that over time.
• 48:43
  And it's like it's, it's worrying to think of like what
• 48:46
  this person's going to be like in X amount of years.
• 48:48
  I think the tougher thing, and this is some, this isn't like a
• 48:51
  political topic, but it's something that's worth
• 48:53
  mentioning, is that even even now, and I claim to be
• 48:55
  relatively mature, even now, if you were like, OK, you could go
• 49:00
  and play rugby for the rest of your life and be pretty well
• 49:02
  off. Or.
• 49:03
  You know if you want to protect your head it's fine.
• 49:05
  Go and work an office job and make probably similar money by
• 49:08
  the time you're and you. That's an even now to me.
• 49:12
  It's hard for me to say I would take the office job and protect
• 49:14
  my head. Yeah, that's actually really
• 49:16
  funny that you say that because you ask Louis Moody, who's
• 49:20
  suffering all sorts of different issues around this because of
• 49:24
  the reason why he be he had so many head injuries.
• 49:27
  He said obviously I'd go and do it all again.
• 49:30
  Like it's it's it's led me to this point where I've had the
• 49:33
  dream of playing for England, playing rugby as a professional
• 49:36
  for my career. I've got a family that I can now
• 49:38
  provide for all of this. And there's there's a part Ben
• 49:41
  Young's and Louis Moody used to play together at Tigers and
• 49:45
  they're quite close friends. And it was like really emotional
• 49:49
  and I, I'd recommend anyone going and watching that.
• 49:51
  It's it's quite tough, but then if we also bring in to the
• 49:55
  aspect of the women's sport is developing.
• 49:58
  Ellie is is now a full time athlete.
• 50:01
  I think we looked up for the show her annual sort of salary,
• 50:05
  as much as we can figure out, he's in and around or like 4050
• 50:08
  grand and like she's full time in a sport which you know that.
• 50:12
  I think that's like salary from Quinn's, but I'd imagine an
• 50:16
  athlete of her profile in the women's game is getting good
• 50:18
  money from sponsorships elsewhere.
• 50:20
  Yeah, for sure. But then if you even compare
• 50:23
  that to the men's Premiership Rugby game and and you might
• 50:27
  say, and like it is completely I, I do think it's somewhat fair
• 50:30
  to say that like the demand of viewing is what pays, which is
• 50:33
  why rugby generally is a sport is quite low paid in comparison
• 50:36
  to other sport. But in her case, it as the best
• 50:42
  player, one of the best players in the world.
• 50:44
  She got not just a women's game. World Rugby Player in the year
• 50:46
  2000. And we've already established
• 50:48
  that the red roses are better than the men.
• 50:49
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:50
  What do we even call ourselves? Just England men's rugby that's
• 50:55
  really done. Yeah.
• 50:57
  But like we've established that the Red Roses are a better team.
• 51:00
  So she is definitely the best player in the in probably the
• 51:03
  UK, but probably the world. She's all round.
• 51:07
  So like, but her to be earning that much.
• 51:10
  And then we we've said, and this is nothing on him, but what was
• 51:13
  it, Owen Farrell? No Finn.
• 51:15
  Finn Russell's highest paid rugby player in the year 1.21.
• 51:17
  .2 million a year so she's she's earning like we've got less than
• 51:22
  5% on paper and. Then you go straight across the
• 51:26
  football and we weren't Cristiano Ronaldo highest played
• 51:29
  probably athlete in the world. He's getting 750 grand a day.
• 51:33
  Yeah, 625 mill a year was it? Yeah, it's just like, and he
• 51:38
  gets brushed and he'll fall on the floor where it's like I'd,
• 51:45
  I, that's my all time. I want to see rugby players play
• 51:49
  rugby against football players. I want the England men's
• 51:52
  football team, England's women's football team versus their their
• 51:57
  equivalent and just see what happens.
• 52:00
  Yeah, it would actually be really fun.
• 52:01
  It would be really fun to to round off her training week,
• 52:05
  Let's say she, let's say she has a game on Saturday.
• 52:08
  If she doesn't have a game, it would be sensible of other other
• 52:10
  sports to assume that there is some sort of game intensity
• 52:13
  session that goes on. However, if there is no game, it
• 52:17
  doesn't necessarily have to be a Saturday.
• 52:18
  It will just happen at some point over the weekend.
• 52:20
  And after that, depending on again when it happens, there'll
• 52:25
  be some level of recovery movement.
• 52:27
  Not stand still, probably similar to Wednesday, but maybe
• 52:31
  slightly higher in volume. Sort of really flush the body
• 52:33
  out because if you've forgotten, the week starts again the next
• 52:37
  day and you're back into probably the two hardest
• 52:40
  training days of the week. So like you do really have to
• 52:41
  prepare your body and your mind for that.
• 52:44
  So yeah, I mean that's kind of the overall overview we've
• 52:50
  already mentioned before. She doesn't really like to pay
• 52:52
  too much attention to her cycle when it comes to some of those
• 52:55
  harder days. She doesn't want it to seem like
• 52:56
  an option, want to push herself. She actually says that she's,
• 52:59
  whether she thinks it's an ADHD thing or not, she's either like
• 53:03
  100% or something or 0 percent or something.
• 53:05
  So sometimes she really has to force herself to get something
• 53:07
  going when she's into it. She's going to be 100%.
• 53:10
  But like that's the reality of being a pro athlete, right?
• 53:12
  Like you're not always going to want to do something just
• 53:14
  because it is your job. And while everyone will be like
• 53:16
  you are, you're so fortunate that is your job.
• 53:18
  Well, actually, if you tried doing this everyday, being so
• 53:20
  physically exhausted everyday, you know.
• 53:23
  I had a on that a really interesting conversation this
• 53:26
  weekend with a friend of mine who'll know who I'm talking
• 53:28
  about when he listens to this. He played very high level rugby
• 53:33
  in the UK and he said to me that he regrets because we're having
• 53:40
  this conversation all about training now and sometimes I
• 53:43
  feel like I was talking about my own training.
• 53:45
  It's like I can't rat myself in coughs and more all the time.
• 53:49
  Sometimes I've got to be like I'm a bit sore, I'm a bit tired.
• 53:52
  I don't want to do it, but you've got to go and do it.
• 53:54
  Other days you go. I know I can't train today
• 53:56
  because I'm so sore. I'm just like, I'm not mentally
• 53:59
  that I'm going to do something stupid.
• 54:01
  I end up injured. So it's like having that balance
• 54:03
  and that trade off. I don't want to be too nice to
• 54:04
  myself a little bit like Ellie in that in that situation.
• 54:08
  But I do need to be sensible. And he was saying that when he
• 54:11
  used to play rugby, he regrets not playing her more.
• 54:16
  Because it's like when you look at the professional rugby
• 54:18
  players at the moment, men's game, women's game, doesn't
• 54:20
  matter who you're looking at, there's no way that anyone's
• 54:23
  playing on that field who feels 100% good.
• 54:26
  There's just no way. You look at the volume of tape
• 54:28
  they have around their elbows, around their wrists, around
• 54:31
  their knees, around their shoulders.
• 54:32
  You're like any normal person, normal life with that much tape
• 54:36
  on themselves isn't going to even move.
• 54:39
  They just sat on the sofa, yet you're running and battering
• 54:42
  each other for 80 minutes. And he was like, I feel like it
• 54:44
  was a detriment to my development in the game because
• 54:47
  I was a bit like my knees sore. I'm probably not going to play
• 54:51
  where it's like, actually your knees not going to get any
• 54:53
  worse. Tape it up.
• 54:55
  It's going to be a bit miserable, but you can still
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  play. And that would have maybe like
• 54:59
  accelerated his progression in the sport.
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  And it's just like such a crazy concept.
• 55:04
  These people are like grown with the game.
• 55:06
  Yes, the game's got faster if they're as they've got older and
• 55:09
  it's kind of they've adapted to that.
• 55:10
  But imagine that was your job. And like you say, it sounds
• 55:15
  great being a professional sports person, but when it's
• 55:17
  your job and it's painful and then you have to have hip
• 55:20
  surgery when you're 31 and then you can't do this and you can't
• 55:23
  do that because of all of the neck pain and whatever, like
• 55:25
  there's a lot of sacrifice. I don't.
• 55:29
  I don't think I was probably at the same level as the person
• 55:31
  you're talking about potentially, but I will proudly
• 55:34
  say that I don't regret playing in any game I played in, and I
• 55:38
  played in a lot of games that I own papers probably shouldn't be
• 55:40
  played in. And I'm not talking concussion.
• 55:42
  I would never validate things like that.
• 55:44
  But I've had so many knocks, relatively serious injuries,
• 55:50
  that sort of thing, which I have come out on the other side of
• 55:51
  and been like, do you know what? Yeah, it was bad.
• 55:54
  And I'm saying this now when some of the effects might not
• 55:56
  have fully developed. But I I've played games with,
• 55:59
  I've played games as a quarterback with my throwing
• 56:02
  hand and wrist broken. I've played games with shoulders
• 56:06
  that are arguably still dislocated until I went and got
• 56:09
  help a week later and then was told not to play for two weeks.
• 56:12
  But my backup at the time didn't feel confident enough, so I
• 56:16
  stepped in and played anyway. That kind of thing.
• 56:18
  And that it came from like me quitting on cross country race
• 56:22
  when I was a kid. I don't know if I've told you
• 56:23
  that before I fell over, I could have just I could have just I
• 56:27
  fell over and I could have just got up and carried on.
• 56:29
  But like I was so nervous about the whole thing because it was
• 56:31
  district final. I'd made it to you, I.
• 56:33
  Think you may have told me that so I.
• 56:34
  Fell over a few people running over me.
• 56:36
  I could have just got up and carried on.
• 56:38
  And what what kept me up about that was I pulled out and I
• 56:42
  pretended like I was hurt and like I was so I like came up
• 56:46
  with this excuse and my dad just let me and he just let me say he
• 56:49
  didn't say anything good, anything bad.
• 56:51
  He didn't try and console me. He was just like, you know, if
• 56:53
  you couldn't, then you couldn't. And then what really, really
• 56:56
  sucked about it was that the guy that I trained with at my
• 56:58
  school, I think he came like 18th out of, I think that was
• 57:02
  something like 350 runners. And in my head, he probably not
• 57:06
  listening. So I can say this in my head, I
• 57:09
  was definitely better than him. And so I was like, damn, I could
• 57:12
  have been like possibly top 15, maybe even top ten in the
• 57:15
  county. That would have been unreal.
• 57:17
  Not sure what I'd done with a cross country career anyway.
• 57:19
  But like after that moment I was like, yeah, you can't be doing
• 57:22
  that. And so like, that is another
• 57:24
  reason that I'm just like super competitive by myself and not
• 57:27
  stopping things. I think I was more like that
• 57:29
  when I was younger. I think now I'm a bit more like,
• 57:33
  is it worth it? Depends.
• 57:34
  If it's in a gym session, yeah, Like I am.
• 57:36
  I'm more sensible because like if it's a gym session, I'm not a
• 57:39
  professional athlete. Like I'd rather not injure
• 57:42
  myself, which makes it hard for me to do what I enjoy doing
• 57:45
  later on in the week. But.
• 57:47
  Sometimes it's hard. If if you put me in a higher ox
• 57:49
  race, I will. I mean you've seen it.
• 57:52
  I will pass out well before I probably should stop anyway
• 57:58
  before we continue opening up bad things that we do.
• 58:01
  We want to, we want to give a positive twist on things.
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  We're going to go into the final part of the episode if a new
• 59:23
  round here, we do a game and we encourage you guys to get
• 59:26
  involved. This week I've been a little bit
• 59:27
  boring. Hands up, we've got a quiz.
• 59:29
  So we've got 3 rounds of the quiz.
• 59:31
  We relatively quick fire because we've got 15 questions.
• 59:34
  You have got 10 seconds I reckon per question.
• 59:38
  I don't know how well that will be policed, but knowing us,
• 59:41
  that's. I'm going to try and do it.
• 59:43
  I've got an eye on something that's counting time.
• 59:45
  OK, so we'll try our best. I'll do my best as well so.
• 59:48
  Question #1 which country is one of the most Rugby World Cups?
• 59:54
  New Zealand. OK, you're not wrong.
• 59:58
  South Africa has also won the exact same as.
• 1:00:01
  I said it. I was like, OK, it's probably
• 1:00:03
  South Africa. Yeah, I mean, I gave you a
• 1:00:04
  double chance to win anyway. Second question, what is the
• 1:00:07
  only sport to have been played on the moon?
• 1:00:09
  Golf, if you believe we even meant the moon.
• 1:00:12
  But yeah, golf is correct. Let's not, OK?
• 1:00:15
  Which tennis player has won the most Grand Slam titles?
• 1:00:18
  Men's Singles. Djokovic.
• 1:00:22
  Correct, you're doing really well here.
• 1:00:24
  You've got 3 for three. Best athlete in the world?
• 1:00:27
  In Inside Joke, go back of your episodes in football.
• 1:00:33
  This is not good for me. This is not good for me.
• 1:00:36
  What's the fastest red card ever given?
• 1:00:38
  How, how? How long did it take 30?
• 1:00:42
  7 seconds. 2 seconds? What?
• 1:00:45
  Yeah. I need context.
• 1:00:46
  I don't have time. We might go.
• 1:00:48
  Through that, we don't have time.
• 1:00:49
  Which athlete has won Olympic gold in both the 100 meters and
• 1:00:53
  the long jump as separate events?
• 1:00:58
  I'm going to make a fool of myself daily.
• 1:01:02
  No, I'm going to judge Daily Thompson.
• 1:01:04
  Carl Lewis, I actually knew that.
• 1:01:06
  I know you didn't. It was.
• 1:01:08
  It was in there. What am I doing?
• 1:01:09
  OK Round 2 slightly harder. What's the maximum break in
• 1:01:13
  snooker? Oh.
• 1:01:16
  We know. Well, I don't think you've ever
• 1:01:17
  spoken about snooker. Never.
• 1:01:18
  Or Paul, the old Ronnie O'Sullivan.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah, man, I don't know. 147. I would have never.
• 1:01:24
  I will have some, I actually did know that.
• 1:01:26
  There was like I was going to give a.
• 1:01:27
  Time. I just, I just I, I don't.
• 1:01:30
  The thing is, I knew that it was 147.
• 1:01:31
  I don't know how it adds up because of the process of
• 1:01:33
  putting the different colours in order and which ones come back
• 1:01:36
  out and which ones don't. Let's let's assess A snooker
• 1:01:39
  player, this training player. Sure, OK, We should do, I
• 1:01:42
  reckon. I'm not saying that it's not
• 1:01:44
  complicated, it could be very complicated, but we should maybe
• 1:01:46
  do that in one episode where it's like snooker darts.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, which country invented
• 1:01:53
  basketball? Like Mexico?
• 1:02:00
  Canada wrong side of America? How long is an Olympic swimming
• 1:02:05
  pool? 50 meters.
• 1:02:06
  Good. Which boxer retired undefeated?
• 1:02:10
  50 nil for those that pay attention to the news they have
• 1:02:15
  recently unretired. Tyson Fury was it not Lloyd
• 1:02:23
  Mayweather? Floyd Mayweather, Yeah, Lloyd,
• 1:02:26
  who has come out of retirement. I think we mentioned it on News
• 1:02:28
  a few episodes ago. Tyson Fury's also come out of
• 1:02:31
  retirement. That's what swayed it.
• 1:02:32
  But I did know. That as well.
• 1:02:33
  Floyd Mayweather has come out retiring Manny Pacquiao Round 2.
• 1:02:38
  OK, what's the distance of a marathon exact to the meter?
• 1:02:43
  42 point 195. Spot on, spot on.
• 1:02:51
  Very good. OK, round three quote UN quote
• 1:02:56
  proper head scratches. You wrote that, yeah.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  Which Formula One driver has the most race wins ever?
• 1:03:08
  It's got to be, I don't know if Verstappen, I'm going to say
• 1:03:13
  Schumacher. Lewis Hamilton is it?
• 1:03:16
  Yeah, I hate myself. I think he's crossed 200 race.
• 1:03:19
  OK fine. No, he's easily crossed 100.
• 1:03:21
  I remember that happening quite a few seasons ago, so maybe not
• 1:03:23
  200. I don't I should have that in
• 1:03:25
  front of me. I don't have that sorry team in
• 1:03:28
  cricket. What does LBW stand for?
• 1:03:30
  Lego before wicket. OK, do you want to explain what
• 1:03:32
  Lego before wicket means? No.
• 1:03:34
  OK, your leg gets in the way because you're lazy.
• 1:03:38
  Basically. Which sport uses the term love
• 1:03:41
  for 0? Tennis.
• 1:03:43
  Any other sports? Probably somebody that I don't
• 1:03:47
  know, like other racket sports like badminton.
• 1:03:50
  Wrong. How was that?
• 1:03:51
  Was a trick question. You just lost the point.
• 1:03:52
  There's no other sports, is it? Oh, perfect.
• 1:03:55
  What is the heaviest weight class in boxing called?
• 1:03:59
  Super Heavy Heavyweight, Super Heavy WWEI think that's WWEI
• 1:04:07
  think so I. Was so confident.
• 1:04:08
  Last question which country has hosted the most Olympic Games?
• 1:04:19
  I'm going to say America. You're actually spot on.
• 1:04:21
  Yeah, I think you're spot on. That was a very simple generic
• 1:04:24
  quiz you. Actually, but I still didn't do
• 1:04:26
  that well. You outperformed yourself there.
• 1:04:28
  I think you actually got, I'm going to say the majority of
• 1:04:30
  those, right. That says more about me than the
• 1:04:32
  quiz, probably. Yeah, maybe I could have
• 1:04:36
  definitely made it harder, but the proper head scratches
• 1:04:38
  weren't actually that head scratch you were.
• 1:04:39
  That along to swim, yeah, and there's.
• 1:04:41
  No evidence of AI usage in that quiz generation at all guys.
• 1:04:46
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• 1:04:53
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• 1:04:56
  The honest reason that we just did a quiz is because we haven't
• 1:04:59
  had any feedback on some of the recent games.
• 1:05:00
  We've done some really good ones in the past few episodes.
• 1:05:02
  You should definitely go and check those out if there's one
• 1:05:04
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• 1:05:05
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• 1:05:07
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• 1:06:34
  wins, that kind of thing. Is there anything else from you?
• 1:06:37
  Quick fire masters predictions. Just give me a.
• 1:06:40
  Name. Go on.
• 1:06:41
  I need you to say what you've been waiting to say.
• 1:06:43
  I think McElroy is going to back it up and go again.
• 1:06:46
  Why? What is the foundation of that?
• 1:06:48
  Pressures off him now, he played so well last year, it will be
• 1:06:52
  fresh in his memory and he'll just go and play like he's never
• 1:06:55
  played before and just enjoy it and I think that will bode
• 1:06:58
  really well for him. But if he doesn't, then it will
• 1:07:00
  probably be Scottish Scheffler. I think I'm going to put a
• 1:07:05
  double prediction down. I think it will be a complete
• 1:07:07
  outsider. Really.
• 1:07:09
  This year or like not complete outsider, but not like top five.
• 1:07:14
  And if I'm wrong, I'm going to say it's John Ron.
• 1:07:16
  Yeah, he's, he's down for like a second.
• 1:07:19
  Yes, I think, I think he's going to have some fun.
• 1:07:22
  I'd love it if Bryson won as well.
• 1:07:23
  Big Bryson fan so obviously. It was.
• 1:07:26
  So if you're looking for something wholesome to watch,
• 1:07:27
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• 1:07:31
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• 1:07:36
  makes the parties questionable. She there's contact between the
• 1:07:38
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• 1:07:41
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• 1:07:43
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• 1:07:47
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• 1:07:51
  We look forward to seeing you guys all again in the next
• 1:07:54
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