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- 0:01SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Understanding Yourself.
- 0:02SPEAKER_00: I'm Ben Lemmon.
- 0:04SPEAKER_00: This is a collection of stories, ideas,
- 0:06SPEAKER_00: and conversations designed to help us better understand ourselves
- 0:10SPEAKER_00: and maybe experience life a little differently.
- 0:12SPEAKER_00: Thanks for being here.
- 0:13SPEAKER_00: Let's begin.
- 0:15SPEAKER_00: Dopamine is loud, oxytocin whispers.
- 0:18SPEAKER_00: If you had asked me 10 years ago what success looked like,
- 0:21SPEAKER_00: I probably would have given you a pretty predictable answer.
- 0:25SPEAKER_00: A promotion,
- 0:26SPEAKER_00: a bigger paycheck,
- 0:27SPEAKER_00: a nicer house, more accomplishments, crossing another goal off the list.
- 0:32SPEAKER_00: I still like goals.
- 0:33SPEAKER_00: I still enjoy building things.
- 0:35SPEAKER_00: But somewhere along the way, I started noticing something.
- 0:39SPEAKER_00: Some accomplishments leave me excited.
- 0:41SPEAKER_00: Other experiences leave me full.
- 0:43SPEAKER_00: Those aren't the same feeling.
- 0:45SPEAKER_00: I've heard incredibly smart people explain dopamine far better than I ever could.
- 0:50SPEAKER_00: One of the facilitators I work with is a retired anesthesiologist.
- 0:55SPEAKER_00: And every time he explains what's happening in the brain,
- 0:58SPEAKER_00: I'm reminded how much I still have to learn.
- 1:00SPEAKER_00: So this isn't really an essay about neuroscience.
- 1:03SPEAKER_00: It's about experience.
- 1:05SPEAKER_00: Here's how dopamine feels to me.
- 1:07SPEAKER_00: It's stimulating.
- 1:09SPEAKER_00: It's the feeling I get when I finish a project,
- 1:11SPEAKER_00: accomplish a difficult goal,
- 1:13SPEAKER_00: buy something I've wanted, or check another box off the list.
- 1:17SPEAKER_00: It motivates me.
- 1:18SPEAKER_00: I'm grateful for it.
- 1:19SPEAKER_00: Without it, I doubt I'd have written these essays.
- 1:23SPEAKER_00: But I've also noticed something.
- 1:25SPEAKER_00: The feeling doesn't last.
- 1:27SPEAKER_00: The promotion becomes normal.
- 1:29SPEAKER_00: The new house eventually needs a new roof.
- 1:32SPEAKER_00: The excitement fades.
- 1:33SPEAKER_00: And before long, my mind quietly starts asking, what's next?
- 1:38SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's a flaw.
- 1:39SPEAKER_00: I think that's just part of being human.
- 1:42SPEAKER_00: Then there's oxytocin.
- 1:43SPEAKER_00: I've heard people describe it as the bonding chemical.
- 1:46SPEAKER_00: The science is fascinating, but what interests me even more is how it feels.
- 1:52SPEAKER_00: To me, dopamine is stimulating.
- 1:54SPEAKER_00: Oxytocin is calming.
- 1:56SPEAKER_00: And I experience it on a much deeper level.
- 1:59SPEAKER_00: It's the feeling I have sitting around a fire with friends.
- 2:02SPEAKER_00: Having coffee with someone who really knows me.
- 2:05SPEAKER_00: Watching the sun disappear over the ocean.
- 2:08SPEAKER_00: Laughing so hard my stomach hurts.
- 2:10SPEAKER_00: Having a conversation where nobody checks their phone because everyone is completely present.
- 2:15SPEAKER_00: One of the ways I describe recovery is being at peace with yourself and the world around you.
- 2:20SPEAKER_00: Not perfect, just at peace.
- 2:23SPEAKER_00: Because someone who's genuinely at peace doesn't spend much time trying
- 2:27SPEAKER_00: to escape their own life.
- 2:29SPEAKER_00: I've worked with people struggling with addiction for over 13 years,
- 2:32SPEAKER_00: and I've yet to hear someone tell me, Ben, it was the strangest thing.
- 2:36SPEAKER_00: I was completely at peace with myself and the world around me.
- 2:39SPEAKER_00: I felt deeply connected to the people in my life.
- 2:42SPEAKER_00: I was overwhelmed with feelings of meaning and purpose.
- 2:46SPEAKER_00: So naturally,
- 2:46SPEAKER_00: I decided to go to the bar,
- 2:48SPEAKER_00: buy a little cocaine to keep the party going,
- 2:50SPEAKER_00: some heroin to help me sleep,
- 2:52SPEAKER_00: and wake up the next morning so I could continue living my best life.
- 2:56SPEAKER_00: That never happens.
- 2:57SPEAKER_00: People laugh when I say that.
- 2:59SPEAKER_00: Not because addiction is funny, because the absurdity makes something obvious.
- 3:05SPEAKER_00: When we feel connected,
- 3:06SPEAKER_00: when we have meaning,
- 3:08SPEAKER_00: when we experience peace, the desire to escape gets a whole lot quieter.
- 3:13SPEAKER_00: And I don't think that's only true of addiction.
- 3:16SPEAKER_00: I think it's true for all of us.
- 3:18SPEAKER_00: I've never looked back on one of the most meaningful moments of my life and thought,
- 3:22SPEAKER_00: you know what this moment needs?
- 3:24SPEAKER_00: A bigger house, a perfectly manicured lawn, another accomplishment.
- 3:29SPEAKER_00: Those thoughts aren't usually there.
- 3:31SPEAKER_00: I say that as someone who's recently spent an embarrassing amount of time thinking
- 3:35SPEAKER_00: about how to get his lawn looking just right.
- 3:38SPEAKER_00: Apparently, I'm still a work in progress.
- 3:40SPEAKER_00: In fact, I've noticed something else.
- 3:42SPEAKER_00: The moments I remember most aren't the moments when I was thinking.
- 3:45SPEAKER_00: They're the moments when I stopped thinking.
- 3:48SPEAKER_00: Watching the ocean.
- 3:49SPEAKER_00: Laughing with friends.
- 3:51SPEAKER_00: Cooking dinner with people I love.
- 3:53SPEAKER_00: Having a conversation where time somehow disappears.
- 3:57SPEAKER_00: I don't remember thinking I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be.
- 3:59SPEAKER_00: I wasn't thinking much at all.
- 4:02SPEAKER_00: I was feeling what I spend so much of my life trying to think my way into.
- 4:06SPEAKER_00: Connection.
- 4:07SPEAKER_00: Meaning.
- 4:08SPEAKER_00: Peace.
- 4:09SPEAKER_00: Presence.
- 4:10SPEAKER_00: It's only afterward that I realized how present I was.
- 4:13SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's what we're really searching for.
- 4:16SPEAKER_00: Not another accomplishment.
- 4:17SPEAKER_00: Not another purchase.
- 4:19SPEAKER_00: Not even another insight.
- 4:21SPEAKER_00: Maybe we're searching for those rare moments when the mind finally gets quiet.
- 4:25SPEAKER_00: And for just a little while, nothing needs to be different.
- 4:29SPEAKER_00: I don't think presence is something we think.
- 4:32SPEAKER_00: I think it's something we feel.
- 4:34SPEAKER_00: I'm not against ambition.
- 4:36SPEAKER_00: I hope I never stop setting goals.
- 4:38SPEAKER_00: I just don't want to spend my entire life asking what's next.
- 4:41SPEAKER_00: I want more moments where I forget to ask the question.
- 4:46SPEAKER_00: Thank you for spending this time with me.
- 4:48SPEAKER_00: If this resonated with you,
- 4:49SPEAKER_00: you can find the written version on my Substack, Understanding Yourself.
- 4:53SPEAKER_00: Until next time, keep asking better questions and keep understanding yourself.