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The Perfect Marathon Strategy (According to Eliud Kipchoge & Paula Radcliffe) | MindSets Podcast | Episode 85 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of The Mindset
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  Podcast. Charles, how are you doing this
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  week? I'm a year older.
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  You are all year, you know when we're.
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  A whole year older but no like unexplainable aches and pains
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  yet, but episode 85. Episode 85, it's big.
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  It's also a very big week, especially if you're here in the
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  UK, because this weekend coming is London Marathon, a race which
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  I know you are itching to do yet again this year.
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  Unable to do. I'm just going to add that to my
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  grandma years later. On OK, we'll come back to that.
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  That's a good idea. However, on the topic of
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  marathon, particularly apartment appropriate for today, you
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  finally done your first one. Oh yeah, I thought you're going
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  to introduce the topic, but no well, I I done my first marathon
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  distance an actual official race an.
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  Official race. Let's let's we'll come back to
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  that then in the news section. But that OK, so for you guys
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  listening today, obviously we've mentioned it's the London
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  Marathon this weekend. One of the things that I think a
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  lot of people start thinking about at this point if they are
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  running a marathon, or maybe they're not and they're thinking
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  how the people they know will be thinking going into the marathon
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  is what the hell do I do on race day and how do I get there
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  without getting injured? Because all of a sudden
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  confidence goes out the window, your body turns into glass.
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  You're worried about stubbing your toe.
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  And then on race day, how on earth you supposed to conquer
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  the 42 kilometers that you've got to run?
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  Plus a little bit might add. So today we thought we would
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  give you advice, not from us necessarily, but from some of
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  the best to ever do it. So I'm going to be taking the
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  stance of Elliot Kipchogi, and you're going to be taking the
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  stance of. Ford or Radcliffe?
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  The OG GOAT from the UK, so two very, very different methods for
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  both tapering and getting ready for their race, but also how
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  they actually went for their race, which I think should be
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  really, really interesting for you guys to listen to.
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  Gives you then the option of which elite runner you want to
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  run like on the day. But we will also then maybe
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  throw in some advice from when we have covered such distances
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  on our own. So hopefully you guys are going
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  to have a lot to learn and enjoy from that.
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  We do of course have all the fun sections coming.
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  So do you want me to set the timer for this?
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  Because we're going to be doing our two-minute news, which is
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  intended to keep us within two minutes.
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  But again, as usual. Who knows what's going to?
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  Happen It's quite a busy week for sport so.
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  We'll do the the classic back and.
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  Forth. We'll do the classic Back and
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  forth. OK.
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  Are you ready to go? I reckon so.
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  OK, We're going to start off in 321.
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  Big one for golf. Rory McIlroy, back-to-back
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  Masters. Incredible you called it as
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  well. I did call it, yeah, just put
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  that out there. So he joins now.
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  He's only one of four players to either go back-to-back, which is
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  unreal. And then moving away from golf.
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  You'll be glad to hear Mark Dowdell wins the BPN.
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  Go on more ultra. He ran 73 laps, which is 306
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  miles. It's just a mad distance.
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  I mean that that deserves its whole whole section.
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  Also, you you've put in brackets for our notes 306 miles in
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  kilometers. 492. 492 So for those of you running the London
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  Marathon, you've got it easy this weekend.
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  I know this is going to take way longer than two minutes, so I'm
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  just going to commit to it now. OK someone, I saw someone create
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  a video of it and they'd taken all of the splits from how long
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  each lap, took them, took him, and then they took all of the
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  total time that he wasn't running.
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  It accumulated to 8 hours of rest across three days, which
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  when you think of it, it's like 8 hours.
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  That seems OK You sleep for 8 hours a night.
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  You had eight hours. Whatever.
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  It's just unbelievable. Yeah.
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  Crazy. Well, first weekend, very
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  applicable to last podcast as well, we had the Women's Six
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  Nations taking place. So the score rundown was that
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  England won their first game at Twickenham 33 to 12 against
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  Ireland. Wales actually took a loss
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  against Scotland 19 to 24 and then France kind of kicked
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  Italy's but it was 40 to 7:00. So that was that.
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  Then the next piece of news is actually you.
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  So you ran your first marathon. We'll get into that after the
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  news. I have stopped sleeping like an
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  idiot. I've I've basically will come
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  back to that, but I have think I've fixed a long term injury,
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  which is pretty crazy. I don't know how that has made
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  the news thing because. He's he's honestly going to be
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  ground breaking when I tell everyone back into some more
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  important news. England women, they're currently
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  in the World Cup qualifier stages.
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  They beat Spain one nil. I think when you guys are
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  hearing this, that will be last week for us.
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  That was last night going back to rugby union, just quickly,
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  it's currently the Champions Cup, the investor Champions Cup.
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  The quarterfinals were over last weekend.
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  Sadly for me, Saints got beaten by by Bath, Leinster smash Sail,
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  Bordeaux beat Toulouse and then I think Toulon beat the
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  Warriors. So there's the first weekend of
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  May coming up is going to be semi finals for the Champions
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  Cup if you're interested in that.
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  And then finally Cycling World Wild Vanart beat Pogicher at the
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  Paris Rubai, which is like the most well renowned.
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  It is also one of the stages in the Tour de France.
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  They sometimes do similar parts of the course, but yeah, that
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  was a really fun. So the reason just for context
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  and like we, we can call the news done.
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  We did it in not 2 1/2 minutes. Yeah, wasn't it that?
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  Was that was good for us, actually.
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  So on on that I was watching it. So there's a funny story aspect
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  to this. I was watching this while in the
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  gym and in order to maintain the bench that I was on.
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  Oh, I. Thought you were going to say on
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  the bike. No.
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  So I was actually, I was bicep curling on the bench but to
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  maintain the bench till the race finished I must have done about
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  10 sets and all afternoon after I got home my arms were
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  twitching while I was trying to type on my keep.
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  It was really annoying, but I got to watch it and it was
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  actually really entertaining. It's a great race.
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  Because I think they average 48 K And the reason by the way, for
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  those of you have no idea why we're so up and farms about this
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  race. This particular race is done on
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  cobbles and we're not talking like, oh, it's your posh
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  driveway. No, it's like old school farm
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  cobbles. They're doing it on road bikes
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  with no suspension. It's pretty much a guarantee
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  that you are going to get a puncture which I think what Van
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  are did get a puncture earlier on in the race and they managed
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  to get back there but they finished then on this like
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  outdoor mini velodrome which was.
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  That's like the famous bit. So they they in Belgium and
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  France, they call the cobbles the par they So at the end of
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  the the race, the winner gets one of the cobbles.
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  I was. Going to say the trophy.
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  Unreal. And then there's there's some
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  like weird tradition where there's like old school showers,
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  I think at the velodrome. So all of the media afterwards,
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  it's just like taking photos of all the cyclists in like these
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  old calls, old school showers. It's all a bit weird.
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  I can see that not being a thing in about 5 years time maybe.
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  It's kind of AI don't. I don't hate it as a tradition,
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  it's just a bit of a weird thing, but it's always, it's
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  like always the one day classic that everyone kind of bookmarks
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  and highlights to watch because they have this cobbled section
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  which they just like rattle through and you're like, how are
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  you going so fast? And it's the likes of Wild Vanna
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  and Pogatcha and Matthew Vander Pol who like have background in
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  cyclocross. So they just have like
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  unbelievable, unbelievable bike handling skills who typically
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  win races like that. You can give me a bite with
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  suspension. I would fall off.
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  Oh, that, yeah, it's crazy. Let alone and how close they are
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  in the peloton as well when they're going through that and
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  it's so dusty and mucky. I don't know if I said this but
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  across the entire distance they averaged 48 K an hour, which
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  like for reference you probably couldn't hold for longer than 30
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  seconds like. Normal bike driving your car of
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  50K on cobbles, Yeah that's mental in itself.
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  I'm trying to remember how much that is in miles an hour if you
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  drive in miles an hour. So like probably 30 something.
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  Yeah, something like that. Crazy, yeah.
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  Going back to the most important news, though.
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  You're sleep habits. Oh, do you want me to start with
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  that? So basically, and do you know
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  what? This is a bit of a confession
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  because while we sit here and we talk fitness and we we say good
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  things about good things you should do and silly things you
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  should avoid. I probably for the last 20
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  months talking in like children age 20 months have been quite
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  badly injured but kind of have just ignored it.
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  I've had a lot of back pain. It came seemingly from high
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  rocks. I know that about 2018 months
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  ago there was some personal stuff which probably forced me
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  to lean in a bit more into training, but I basically
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  started getting back pain down the right side of my back nerve
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  kind of pain, kind of sciatica. Not sciatica was more sensible
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  than I would usually be. Went and saw a physio.
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  They were like rest take some time.
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  So I kind of did and then it really didn't get any better and
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  to the point where it was affecting me in my like daily
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  life, just like walking around, sitting down.
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  So I went and saw another physio who basically was like, look,
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  you've changed your career a lot, you're on your feet or
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  there. It's like, it's probably that.
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  I reckon it is your SI join and you're just quite weak there.
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  I was thinking, I don't know why I'd be weak.
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  Like I used to do a lot of lateral training.
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  Maybe I've done a bit less, maybe it is the change of job,
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  everything like that. So I started doing the exercises
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  and I genuinely promised you I was doing the exercises.
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  No real improvement, if anything just gradually getting worse and
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  worse to the point where, and this is where like saying it
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  now, it's really dumb to have not continued down the route of
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  getting help. When I got up in the morning,
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  probably for the first 3 to 4 hours until my body's kind of
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  warmed up. If I had to bend down to pick
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  anything up, not even off the floor but just like below hip
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  height, I would have to put a hand on my knee to support my
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  upper body weight so I could bend everything up.
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  I was like a 70 year old old man syndrome but then in addition to
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  that if I was to sit anywhere for 5 minutes or more I would be
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  in pain and I would have to like try and click my back whatever
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  but I'm my back doesn't click so it wouldn't help.
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  Anyway Long story short, if you're in that sort of pain, go
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  and seek proper help. The other thing to look at,
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  because this is the most annoying thing, is that it turns
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  out today was my sleeping position.
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  I, I don't think I sleep weirdly, but I have been
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  sleeping like half face down, like with my head sideways, but
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  half face down with my right leg up at like 90°.
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  And what I now realize is that despite all of the exercises I
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  was doing and all the preventative measures and
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  strengthening of the muscles in the area, whatever six hours
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  minimum per night, I have been in a twisted position on my back
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  and just loaded the hell out of that point.
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  And that's why it was always my right side.
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  My left side was always fine. And really annoyingly, I still
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  don't really believe it. So I slept in the position it
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  told me, which is embarrassing, but why not expose myself now
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  with a pillow between my legs? That's the classic last three.
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  Days I've woken up completely pain free and I've not had
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  really any pain other than that which is like really, really
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  annoying but also like so nice yeah, I bet because now like I
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  mean you've probably noticed that you guys have probably
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  noticed that I've raced once this season.
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  I've kind of stopped a lot of the high rush training I was
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  doing just because I got sick of feeling weak and in pain all the
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  time. So hopefully now I might be able
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  to book something and get something back in the calendar
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  and start talking to you guys from experience rather than
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  pretending and living vicariously through child.
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  It feels, I'm like I'm obviously very happy that that's now we
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  we're sort of the pain. Yeah.
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  That just felt very invasive to know so much about your sleeping
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  habits. There you go.
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  Then apparently I don't move when I sleep because I would
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  wake up in that position and be like wow, my back is fucked.
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  What? But anyway, more impressively,
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  on the flip side of that, yeah, you, you went down to Brighton.
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  Yeah, I don't want people to then get confused that I did the
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  Brighton marathon because I didn't.
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  You did part of it. We did.
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  We did part of the Brighton Marathon, basically 2 events,
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  kind of like coincide. There was the Brighton Marathon
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  that people were more familiar with that lots of people ran on
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  the weekend, which was great. And then there was the Brighton
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  Trail Marathon, which started again, a completely different
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  place, runs trails basically all the way through the South
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  bounds, all the way to the coast.
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  And then for the last, let's say 7 K, you're running down the
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  coast. And then the last 5K, you join
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  the actual marathon, which was just chaotic because obviously
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  you have so many people running the marathon and then you get a
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  bunch of like muddy people with big packs on coming on to and
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  join in the race. But it was again, I don't
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  necessarily advocate this. I think from my training and my
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  perspective, I was training for Hackney Half.
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  I've been training for High Rocks.
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  I've been doing enough, probably running volume in my own
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  training. But the group that we were
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  doing, only one person of the seven of us had ever run a
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  marathon before. And over the course of the 42
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  KS, it was like going through the group being like, we'd click
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  over like 18K and some would go, yeah, this is the furthest I've
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  ever run. And then you look around, it's
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  like we go past half marathon and people like, this is the
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  furthest I've ever run. It's like 25 K And it just like
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  periodically happened until only one person was standing and it
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  was the person who'd run a marathon before.
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  What was the furthest you'd run? I've run 32K before, I think
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  that's like normal the conversion like I've done a 20
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  mile race for when I was a lot younger.
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  But I don't know if this is going to be helpful for the
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  episode, but it's truly terrified me of the marathon
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  distance because it's such a long.
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  Way. Yeah, it's a long way, yeah.
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  But it was amazing fun and I'd recommend that event and and
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  doing a definitely a trail marathon to everyone.
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  It's so fun. And I imagine down at the
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  trails, if you're near the coast, there must have been some
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  decent views. A.
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  Beautiful. Like honestly, we had amazing
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  weather and before, before we started as a group, we'd kind of
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  like decided that we would walk the uphills and it was kind of
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  like a big group start, like a normal marathon.
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  Everyone's super excited. We ran off maybe like 150
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  meters, turned right, looked at the hill, looked at each other
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  and went, we're walking now. Yeah.
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  And that was kind of the order of the day.
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  But yeah, it was really good fun.
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  Run the runnable. Yeah.
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  We had like 1000 meters of vertical, so it was like
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  probably five times your normal marathon vertical.
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  That, you know, big hills. I was going to say, do you know
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  what the elevation is for London?
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  No, but I looked at someone who'd run Brighton and I think
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  that elevation was just over 200 meters.
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  OK. And I'd imagine.
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  It's probably a little bit less than that, yeah.
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  And London is relatively flat. Yeah, it's not Valencia.
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  I, I, I mean, you, you look at the course and, and, and I'm
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  sure, I'm sure we'll discuss this when we talk about Paula's
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  marathon in London in 2003. But it's not a particularly fast
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  course. You think of London and you
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  think, well, there's no major hills and it's relatively flat,
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  but there are some inclines which are obviously going to
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  impact how fast you can run. So people will consider it a
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  slightly less optimal course for going fast.
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  But yeah, 1000 meters of vertical is for sure quite a lot
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  of a lot. Of how's how's the body now?
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  What are we three days post? I tried to spin the legs out on
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  Monday and I thought that was going to be an incredible idea
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  because my legs were pretty sore.
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  And then Tuesday I, I basically couldn't walk.
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  Like yesterday was a write off for me.
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  Today I'm, I'm feeling OK, I'm feeling OK.
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  And I think it's just like more general fatigue.
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  But everyone was like shocked at my fuelling strategy because I
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  was trying to eat so much. And I'd plan to have like a gel
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  probably every 5K and a bar every 5K because I was like more
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  than anything, if I get hungry, I'm going to be miserable.
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  And if I'm miserable, everyone's going to have a bad time.
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  So I was like, for the sake of the group, I'll eat a lot.
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  But we got to the first of three aid stations and there was like
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  this massive spread of they had like cheese and crackers, they
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  had unlimited party rings, they precision nutrition chews, like
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  you name it, there's crisps. And like after the first aid
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  station we had to walk for about 2K because we'd all eaten too
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  much. It's like I tried to calculate
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  how much I'd eaten versus how many calories I'd burn.
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  For sure, for sure I ate more calories.
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  Do you think I was like over like 3-6 calories?
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  It's like 3006 I. Think you would have burned
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  that? I did apparently like 3-4 to 3/5
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  with chest strap. As you know what, so there's
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  advice you should always try and out eat your carries because
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  like if you if you bunk your there's no coming.
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  Back the day after I, I honestly, I didn't want to eat
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  anything. I was like, I can't think of
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  food and I've just eaten so much rocking food.
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  Well on the topic continued topic of marathon, for this
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  we've got grind my gears. Let's do it.
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  I think we need to dive in with one which you're kind of aware
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  of but has a bit of a story attached to it because it is
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  related to your race. I'm only aware of it because I
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  saw it one second before we started recording, so that
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  grinded my gears. For reference guys, grind my
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  gears. Everything that is pissing you
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  off at the moment, particularly in the fitness space, deserves a
• 16:56
  shout out and we'll discuss it. We love to get those
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  recommendations from you, so if you haven't sent one in before
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  or even if you have, reach out to the page.
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  Our Mindsets under score podcast, send it to us.
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  Can be a cold DM don't mind. We love seeing them.
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  We love hearing them. We'll note them down and mention
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  them. If you want to be anonymous, you
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  can be anonymous. Likewise, sometimes you put the
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  prompt up on the story and by all means at that point let
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  loose. The first one we had right in
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  was people in New on running shoes and go on more caps such
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  as the one that you're currently wearing, Charles.
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  Don't know who the Caps will be talking about.
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  Overtaking you in a forest section and looking like they're
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  just running for fun. That, oh, I know who it's from.
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  Who's it from? It must be Roscoe.
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  It is Roscoe, friend of the show friend.
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  Of the show. Say friend, no more, yeah?
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  Friend. No more.
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  That's it. That's the tie.
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  That's the ties cut. Yeah.
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  He he just said that it it wasn't fun to to have to witness
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  being over. There, you can't even remember
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  that bit. People coming past in their new
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  shoes. I think it's honestly.
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  It's just a generalized. I don't think it was
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  generalized. It was very targeted towards
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  yourself. But I think he's jealous because
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  up until recently where he got convinced to buy new shoes.
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  By the way, don't do this if you've got the marathon on
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  Sunday, don't buy new shoes now. However, carbon or pay to choose
• 18:15
  known to give you an advantage. It was last week he decided to
• 18:18
  buy some shoes because his she's even running previously.
• 18:21
  Nothing special really about them apart from that he's slip
• 18:24
  on for triathlons and they must have done more than 1000K.
• 18:27
  But and. I think he raced in those.
• 18:30
  But I think he maybe he didn't buy carbon shoes because he just
• 18:32
  put a reel up that. He'd no, he bought Evo SL.
• 18:35
  OK, fine. Which, you know, in the past,
• 18:38
  yeah. But anyway, I just like, I
• 18:39
  bumped into Roscoe on the start line of this random trail
• 18:42
  marathon that we'd had no idea it was just a big coincidence.
• 18:45
  And then we did some running together, which pretty fun.
• 18:47
  But yeah, coincidentally, I I had run 3.6 K total on my new
• 18:52
  shoes before I did the marathon. But I I cannot recommend those
• 18:56
  shoes more because there was no blisters, there was no rubbing.
• 18:58
  It was the only part of my body that probably didn't hurt with
• 19:01
  my feet. What were they the?
• 19:03
  Insert any brand that wants to work with us.
• 19:06
  That's what they were. Next time my gear have you got?
• 19:10
  Have you got one for us? I'm going to go with
• 19:12
  inconsistent metrics. Yeah.
• 19:15
  And we're going to, I, I, I, it's very specific because it
• 19:18
  was actually a reel that I sent to you.
• 19:20
  And it's our friends from across the pond who use miles rather
• 19:25
  than kilometers for their running.
• 19:27
  So I, they were talking, I think they were talking about Matthew
• 19:30
  van der Pol making transition to do some triathlon.
• 19:33
  And they found a 10K that he'd run on his Strava.
• 19:37
  And they're talking back and forth and they're like, just
• 19:41
  guess, just guess his, his average split time for his 10K.
• 19:44
  And this guy was like, I'm going to say like sub 6.
• 19:48
  And obviously like, I know what he's talking about sub six, that
• 19:54
  that's not that far. Why?
• 19:55
  Yeah, where why are you getting like, so like excited about
• 19:57
  that? And then he was obviously like
• 19:59
  talking in miles. And I think his average pace was
• 20:02
  like 525 per mile. But then they then they keep
• 20:06
  talking about, but he's doing a 10K.
• 20:08
  And then if you look at his heart rate for the last two
• 20:11
  miles of the 10K, his heart rate elevated.
• 20:15
  And I was like. Why can't you just have some
• 20:17
  consistency? If you're talking about
• 20:19
  kilometres, talk in kilometres. Yeah, yeah, don't talk miles.
• 20:23
  And it's. It's annoying.
• 20:25
  You grind my gears if you have your splits in miles on Strava.
• 20:29
  Generally that's a general complaint because I I don't want
• 20:31
  to. I didn't ask for homework.
• 20:32
  But doesn't it? Doesn't it?
• 20:34
  If you if you run a 5K and that then the miles is whatever the
• 20:38
  miles is for that. But when you see it on Strava,
• 20:40
  aren't you seeing it in your preference?
• 20:44
  No, because I I never see. I never see miles.
• 20:46
  That's because everyone clear you've filtered out the bad
• 20:49
  bunch. But I there's.
• 20:50
  Quite a lot of people that I see share and it says miles.
• 20:53
  Really. Yeah.
• 20:54
  Oh, really annoying, especially when people put on their
• 20:56
  Instagram as well. Again, I'm not going to like
• 20:58
  your story. Even if you did something really
• 21:00
  impressive, if you did 26.2 miles, don't care, you didn't do
• 21:03
  42.2 Ki no I. I don't mind it though.
• 21:06
  I don't mind that like lots of people, I I kind of like the old
• 21:09
  school. I'm going for a 10 mile run
• 21:12
  rather than like, I don't know, like what's like 13 or
• 21:14
  kilometers, but as long as you then go white paint.
• 21:18
  That's the easiest as it's 16. It's oh.
• 21:23
  It's actually 10 * 1.6. God, I don't even I don't even
• 21:26
  want to finish what I was saying.
• 21:27
  Now you do whatever you want. You do whatever you want.
• 21:29
  Let's. Try my gear.
• 21:31
  So people thinking it's cool to say that they're not really
• 21:37
  training for the London Marathon or marathons in general.
• 21:39
  So when people, when people are like, Oh yeah, no, I'm doing it.
• 21:42
  But like barely training. It's like, you know what, it's
• 21:46
  actually pretty cool to try. It's actually pretty cool to be
• 21:50
  like, you know what, I'm trying really hard.
• 21:51
  I respect you more if you say that you've been training really
• 21:54
  hard and I can see it, especially on Strive or
• 21:56
  whatever. And then you, you mess it up on
• 21:59
  the day. To me, you're more of the person
• 22:02
  that got the time then someone that's just like, you know what?
• 22:05
  I got close, but I barely tried, you know?
• 22:08
  This is going to be such a rabbit hole and I'm going to be
• 22:10
  really careful with how I phrase it.
• 22:12
  The the problem is I didn't do enough training to like for this
• 22:19
  trail marathon for me to be like and and I would almost consider
• 22:24
  me doing that trail marathon. I didn't train for that.
• 22:27
  Specific, but were you going for a time?
• 22:28
  No, right. So that's the difference.
• 22:30
  So and also it's like a lot of it is walking, a lot of it is
• 22:34
  going uphill where it's like your actual psycho.
• 22:36
  If you run up those hills like it's super steep.
• 22:38
  So your walk, it's a run walk, it's going to take obviously
• 22:41
  much, much longer. So the one thing that really
• 22:45
  annoys me because the I didn't train for this, so I'm just
• 22:48
  going to go and do it. I can do it, especially with the
• 22:51
  London Marathon because this ties into one of my other
• 22:53
  grammar games I was going to like.
• 22:54
  Move it into this. Where I've been trying to get a
• 22:58
  place through the ballot since like honestly probably 2014.
• 23:03
  And now they've introduced this new thing where you can like
• 23:06
  create a super ballot where you like pay money on top of your
• 23:09
  ballot to like double your chances of getting it.
• 23:11
  And for the last couple of years I haven't got it.
• 23:13
  So it's like, yes, you can do it through charity, but I, I, I
• 23:17
  categorically, I want to try and get it through the ballot.
• 23:20
  As someone who's lived and grown up in London for now 30 years,
• 23:24
  it feels like I want to do my home marathon and I really want
• 23:27
  to do it. So it really frustrates me when
• 23:29
  someone gets a ballot spot and then just does it because
• 23:34
  they've got it and they don't really train, they don't really
• 23:36
  try. The other thing that's annoying
• 23:38
  is like an influencer can then just like waltz in and be given
• 23:41
  a ticket and you're like, that's frustrating as well.
• 23:44
  I, I mind that less if it's an actual running influencer who's
• 23:48
  going and going to run it hard. It frustrates me when an
• 23:51
  influencer gets given it and they're just using it as an
• 23:54
  opportunity to get content. So that's another part of my
• 23:57
  grind, my gear, which again, like just be careful of how I
• 24:01
  word it. I think a lot of people
• 24:05
  terrified of the marathon distance, but also really scared
• 24:11
  to put themselves in a hole on top of that, they're scared of
• 24:14
  the failure and like, oh, I've tried, but I didn't get a good
• 24:17
  time, a good time based off what their perception of that is.
• 24:21
  So as a result, they go, I just ran that marathon for fun and
• 24:25
  they they're like running along and they're taking selfies and
• 24:27
  they're like waving and high fiving.
• 24:29
  And I'm like, that is just an excuse so that when you get a
• 24:32
  bad time at the end, it's fine because you did it for fun.
• 24:35
  I'm like get a bad time, a bad time, but do it trying and like
• 24:40
  a bad time doesn't exist. It's like it's your marathon.
• 24:43
  So I think it actually goes, it's the same.
• 24:45
  It's probably the same people that are at school would like
• 24:48
  not do that well on a test and be like, yeah, but I didn't even
• 24:50
  revise. Yeah, yeah, it's actually the
• 24:51
  same thing. Yeah, yeah, because they were
• 24:53
  like they were scared to embarrass themselves.
• 24:56
  And do you know what is part partially on society for being
• 24:58
  like that's acceptable? Yeah, that is actually cooler.
• 25:01
  It's it's it's actually not. But in reality it's not.
• 25:04
  And that was a grown idea. But also like the the world of
• 25:10
  running that you're exposed to through social media is so far
• 25:15
  past what is completely normal like.
• 25:18
  So much like. When you like, look up what an
• 25:20
  average marathon time is, but all you're seeing on social
• 25:22
  media is like, I'm going to try and run sub three or like I can
• 25:26
  do a 235 marathon. Or you're seeing like all of
• 25:30
  these fitness influencers who in theory are like elite level
• 25:33
  runners who are like, yeah, I went for a 30K run and I run 310
• 25:37
  pace. I'd actually be interested to
• 25:38
  know what the average London Marathon time is.
• 25:40
  I would say at a guess it's probably like 4 hours 25.
• 25:45
  I reckon it's slower, yeah, honestly, like when you think
• 25:47
  there's like probably close to 60,000 people running and I
• 25:51
  think I just plucked that number out nowhere.
• 25:52
  I'd say between 50 and 60,000 people running.
• 25:56
  It's such like an exclusive club to go sub three.
• 25:59
  Yeah, all you're seeing on social media is I'm doing sub
• 26:02
  three, I'm going for sub three. Yeah, crazy moving moving away
• 26:06
  from the rabbit hole, but justified rabbit hole and
• 26:08
  mustache. I need to tie back into last
• 26:11
  episode. So if you haven't listened to
• 26:12
  last episode Vaid bear context. I was in the gym.
• 26:17
  I went to the bathroom, someone, well I locked the door and I
• 26:21
  know I locked the door because I have a fear of it happening
• 26:24
  before where someone just walked in because I hadn't locked the
• 26:26
  door. Horrible.
• 26:27
  I locked the door, for some reason the lock unslipped itself
• 26:30
  as this person pushed and they walked in.
• 26:32
  Fortunately I mashed cash door before any any awkwardness
• 26:35
  happened, but I did have to hide in the toilet to make sure they
• 26:37
  were gone before I left. The thing that has annoyed me
• 26:40
  this week off the back of that is same gym door.
• 26:43
  Very much locked and double checked this time.
• 26:46
  People, multiple people might add, just assuming it's going to
• 26:50
  be unlocked and walking into the door.
• 26:52
  So it's not like it's not like someone carefully pushing
• 26:55
  because this door isn't like a, a latch.
• 26:57
  It's just like I will be in the shower and some suddenly I'll
• 27:01
  hear like as someone tries to like bang into the door and I'm
• 27:05
  like literally look at the thing.
• 27:07
  It turns red when someone's in there.
• 27:10
  Listen, listen because you can hear there's a shower running
• 27:14
  and like, I don't understand what they gain from suddenly
• 27:17
  opening the door other than trauma when it goes wrong.
• 27:21
  But but it's. Horrible.
• 27:23
  You get that adrenaline spike every time.
• 27:25
  I don't want to based on how based on how I've been with my
• 27:28
  back. I do not want to be the the guy
• 27:30
  that falls over in a shower and has a bad back at the age of 29.
• 27:34
  Like, come on. So that's another one of mine.
• 27:37
  I think I've only got one more, but you go.
• 27:40
  I was worried about that one because I saw that one, I didn't
• 27:42
  know what that was related to the doorway and I just like
• 27:45
  checked that the back door was shut.
• 27:46
  I thought it was something to do with the no.
• 27:48
  We started recording. I was like, why am I being
• 27:50
  targeted today? What what I've done to the
• 27:52
  service, my one is is less fitness related.
• 27:55
  Now it's more just like social in general.
• 27:58
  When you get a message from someone asking them XYZ do you
• 28:02
  want to do this? Can you come here or whatever
• 28:05
  they're like, there's this almost like you need to have an
• 28:09
  excuse, a valid excuse to not have to do something where it's
• 28:15
  like, sorry, I can't do that. I'm busy.
• 28:17
  The worst thing ever possible to known known to mankind to come
• 28:21
  back in that situation is well, what are you doing mate?
• 28:26
  What does it matter to you? I'm busy and like I if I want to
• 28:31
  sit on the sofa and just watch TV and not hang out with you,
• 28:35
  that's me busy and that is OK. I don't need to have a valid
• 28:39
  excuse. I don't need a doctor's note.
• 28:41
  The big take away I want everyone in the mindsets
• 28:44
  community to take away from this is that having your own personal
• 28:47
  time and sitting on the sofa is so socially acceptable and you
• 28:50
  don't need an excuse not to do something if you especially
• 28:53
  post. Marathon.
• 28:54
  Especially post marathon and the best thing you can do when
• 28:57
  you're sat on the sofa is turn on YouTube and go to the
• 28:59
  Mindsets podcast channel. You can you can actually find it
• 29:02
  at mindsets under score podcast, same as all of our other
• 29:04
  socials. And are you there?
• 29:05
  Drop a comment, drop a like, drop a share, send it to anyone,
• 29:09
  family group chat, your ex-boyfriend, girlfriend,
• 29:11
  whatever it is, I'm sure they'll enjoy it.
• 29:14
  Now moving on to the most important part.
• 29:17
  We said that it was coming up very topical for the week.
• 29:20
  How on earth do you prepare for your marathon?
• 29:23
  Well, we've got 2 fantastic examples.
• 29:27
  Would you like to be best? Would you like to give an
• 29:31
  introduction to Paula? I'd love nothing more.
• 29:35
  All right, so I I just like this for me when when we discussed
• 29:40
  doing this as an episode option, I was like, she for sure just
• 29:43
  gets so like underappreciated of how good she was.
• 29:49
  She's Paula Radcliffe. But like for some people they go
• 29:52
  but yeah, she's Paula Radcliffe. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 29:55
  She's unrivalled. So I'm going to give you a
• 29:57
  couple of facts, a couple of stats.
• 29:59
  I like it and hopefully this like opens.
• 30:01
  If you don't, if you don't know or appreciate her enough, you
• 30:04
  will after this. So she's won the London Marathon
• 30:06
  three times, right? Good start.
• 30:09
  She's won the New York Marathon three times, really good start.
• 30:12
  She's won the Chicago Marathon. She's won the marathon world
• 30:15
  champs in 2005. She still holds, bearing in mind
• 30:19
  she retired however many years ago.
• 30:21
  She still holds the national record for the 3K and the half
• 30:25
  marathon already credentials out of her ears, right?
• 30:29
  She's been to multiple Olympics, she's done XYZ, cross country,
• 30:33
  whatever. She's done it.
• 30:36
  The most impressive thing though, 2003, right?
• 30:39
  She she runs the London Marathon.
• 30:41
  She wins the London Marathon, sets the world record for the
• 30:45
  marathon. Two hours, 1525 seconds, average
• 30:49
  pace 313 per kilometer. If you want to go miles, that's
• 30:54
  a 5-10 mile. That's mental.
• 30:57
  So that's incredible in itself. She's set a world record.
• 31:01
  That world record stood for 16 years.
• 31:06
  There's more to it than that. Give me the more to it.
• 31:08
  Give me the more to it She. Didn't wear carbons.
• 31:12
  I knew. You wanted that and she didn't
• 31:14
  have GPS to track her timing. Like that's mind blowing.
• 31:19
  I think like carbons then probably elite level weren't
• 31:23
  introduced until, I'm going to say, 2010, but maybe don't quote
• 31:27
  me on that. So there's still like a big
• 31:29
  chunk of people trying to break that without carbons.
• 31:32
  But then like, since then, how many people ran and raced in
• 31:36
  carbons in faster environments? It's just like that in itself.
• 31:41
  Every time I hear that stat is just like unbelievable it.
• 31:45
  Is unreal and what I would love to know and like this is.
• 31:48
  And it's still the British record is I no other British
• 31:51
  girls run faster. I do think carbons should be
• 31:53
  used, yes, but I would love to know the difference between the
• 31:59
  new world record and at the time that the same person would have
• 32:02
  run if they had her shoes. Yeah, I, I, but, so I wanted to
• 32:05
  find a photo of the actual trainers that she wore.
• 32:08
  It's quite hard because she was running in a Nike prototype.
• 32:12
  And also also it's a podcast, so you're listening.
• 32:14
  Yeah. And next you're on YouTube.
• 32:16
  So you just have to imagine the shoe, but it's like a really low
• 32:19
  profile, like completely different to what you'd consider
• 32:22
  a race shoe now, which has a big stack, big carbon plate in it.
• 32:26
  It's just like the most minimal Nike trainer that you could even
• 32:30
  imagine. But yeah, Paula Radcliffe,
• 32:33
  Unrivalled, undisputed. Go I'm going to bring in my my
• 32:36
  player. Let's go the other corner.
• 32:38
  So we've got Khichogi who's very well known in the marathon space
• 32:41
  at the moment. I'm going to give you a quicker
• 32:43
  rundown of his credentials. 2 time Olympic champion.
• 32:46
  He won in Rio 2016 and Tokyo 2020.
• 32:49
  He's an 11 time world marathon major winner.
• 32:52
  There's only four majors a year. That's mental.
• 32:55
  He was unofficially the first man to run a marathon in under 2
• 32:59
  hours. He did that with the Nike
• 33:00
  Breaking 2 project. He ran it in one 5940, which is
• 33:04
  judgmental. And he has won fifteen of his
• 33:08
  eighteen career professional marathons.
• 33:11
  Which actually, on the face of it, when you compare the number
• 33:14
  of competitions to other athletes, 18 doesn't sound like
• 33:17
  that much. But if you're winning 15 of 18
• 33:20
  of them, absurd for. Also think how many marathons
• 33:24
  you're running a year. Yeah, exactly.
• 33:26
  And. It might be once every couple
• 33:28
  of. Years.
• 33:29
  And for clarification, and absolutely not to shit on
• 33:33
  Paula's time, but when he ran the 15940 he was running a 242
• 33:38
  split per kilometre, which is nearly 30 seconds faster for an
• 33:43
  elite world record-breaking time versus that.
• 33:46
  I can't even, I, I genuinely don't think I could probably
• 33:49
  hold that speed for more than 80 metres honestly.
• 33:52
  Yeah, full outskirt. Yeah, it's it's truly wild, like
• 33:55
  unbelievable. And like former world record
• 33:59
  holder as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:01
  Which has only recently been broken.
• 34:02
  Actually, that's. That's the one sad thing about
• 34:04
  Paula. She never got an Olympic medal
• 34:07
  because I had I. Anyway, well, maybe we're going
• 34:10
  to we're going to find out why she potentially did the Olympic
• 34:13
  medal based on based on how she does it.
• 34:16
  Cool. So before we really get into
• 34:18
  this, I think we should backtrack to almost like a year
• 34:21
  ago when we discovered with everybody really what tapering
• 34:24
  is for a race. Because I think a lot of people
• 34:26
  don't really know, as I said at the beginning of the podcast,
• 34:28
  what they're supposed to do in these days leading up to the
• 34:30
  marathon. Like if you just sit there and
• 34:33
  do nothing, I know this is something you're relatively
• 34:36
  passionate about. If you want to cover broadly
• 34:38
  what you think a good taper looks like, a what?
• 34:41
  I mean, it's always person specific and it's obviously
• 34:44
  going to be specific to your sport.
• 34:46
  So we cover a broad range of things and in my coaching it's
• 34:50
  typically specific to high Rocks and CrossFit.
• 34:53
  But for running, similar principles, right, you're
• 34:56
  looking to reduce as much as possible, especially in the
• 35:00
  marathon distance, reduce as much as possible your aerobic
• 35:02
  fatigue. But that doesn't necessarily you
• 35:05
  just sit around doing nothing. For some people, doing less is
• 35:10
  probably better. So that when you get to the
• 35:12
  start line, as we'll see with Paula, you feel fresh and you
• 35:15
  feel ready to go. But I would still imagine you're
• 35:18
  doing some sort of training, probably some more intense
• 35:22
  efforts because we look to, I hate the term, but you hear
• 35:25
  people talk about like sharpening the sword.
• 35:28
  It's around really just dialing in the intensity and doing some
• 35:32
  probably race pace efforts within the week just to keep the
• 35:36
  body ticking over and making sure that you're not like
• 35:38
  getting angsty and sitting still and just over processing it and
• 35:41
  hopefully build a little bit of confidence as well.
• 35:44
  That's a big part and maybe a misunderstood part of a tape as
• 35:47
  well. You don't want to do a session
• 35:49
  that's just going to completely wreck your confidence ahead of
• 35:51
  race day. So reduce aerobic fatigue by
• 35:55
  probably not doing anything crazy long.
• 35:58
  And for the top athletes like Khichogi and Paula, any sort of
• 36:02
  reduction is going to be great for their recovery because they
• 36:05
  do so much volume. But for the normal person, just
• 36:08
  trying to bring the overall volume down but trying to also
• 36:11
  maintain a bit of intensity, I'd say.
• 36:13
  I think the biggest thing for anyone that's maybe doing this
• 36:16
  for the first time or hasn't got a major background in doing
• 36:19
  different competitions is like you're not going to change your
• 36:23
  maximum potential within the week beforehand.
• 36:26
  You will massively change what the minimum the potential is
• 36:30
  because like if you just wreck yourself that week then you know
• 36:33
  you're not going to perform as well on the day.
• 36:35
  There's no, there's no adaptation.
• 36:37
  In that week whatsoever. So you just can't So the best
• 36:40
  thing that you can do from a a total view coin the the phrase
• 36:45
  mindsets podcast, but mind and sets like so you've done the
• 36:48
  training by that point. So now if we start looking at
• 36:50
  the mind, because the mind does have a big impact on the day,
• 36:53
  one of the best things you can do is do whatever you need to do
• 36:55
  to feel confident on the day. So if you know what your
• 36:57
  marathon pace is, if you're going for a time, if you're just
• 36:59
  going to complete it, then by all means, just keep the feet
• 37:01
  moving, making sure your trainers feel good, that kind of
• 37:03
  thing. If you're going for a time, you
• 37:05
  want to be doing relatively short efforts, a marathon pace
• 37:08
  to say to yourself, actually, yeah, like my body does work at
• 37:10
  this pace. It actually feels surprisingly
• 37:12
  comfortable. Cool.
• 37:13
  So you do that and you stop because what you don't want is
• 37:16
  you don't want to be like, right, I'm going to go and do a
• 37:17
  marathon pace day, 2K and 28K. And you're like, I was doing
• 37:21
  this to feel confident that by this time on Sunday I'd be fine.
• 37:24
  And actually, this really hurts and I'm only three K in.
• 37:27
  If you'd only been doing 800 meter efforts with a good amount
• 37:30
  of rest in between, then you've been getting the intensity that
• 37:32
  you require. You'd have been getting the
• 37:34
  confidence boost, but not necessarily getting the same.
• 37:36
  Yeah, if you've been doing the training, hopefully you trust
• 37:39
  that and trust the process that you're going to be able to do
• 37:42
  what needs to be taken on race day.
• 37:44
  So just making sure your processes in and around that
• 37:47
  week. So things like making sure your
• 37:50
  sleep is as good as it can be, you're getting quality, good,
• 37:53
  consistent sleep, nutrition as well.
• 37:56
  Whatever your supplementation looks around race day, whether
• 38:00
  you're smashing nitrates with beetroot juice or whatever, you
• 38:03
  know, just smashing bicarb, whatever, I don't know.
• 38:06
  But just making sure everything is dialed in and you've done as
• 38:10
  much as you can to get to the start line and be like, I left
• 38:13
  no stone unturned. Like now it's just down to my
• 38:18
  performance and whether or not I've got it between the years.
• 38:21
  So another thing that I would say is, and this is generally
• 38:24
  good advice, you'll see on social media as well, which
• 38:26
  doesn't necessarily mean it's good advice, but don't do
• 38:29
  anything new. And I'm saying that not from my
• 38:32
  experience. I'm now moving into what Elliott
• 38:34
  Kochergie would do. So just for reference, when it
• 38:37
  comes to his training, he does probably around 160 to 200 K
• 38:42
  weeks. Bear in mind he's professional.
• 38:44
  This is his job. So he has time to be doing 200
• 38:47
  kilometres per week now in that he'll be doing a lot of easy
• 38:50
  work. He says 8020.
• 38:51
  So 80% of that is easy runs and he is experienced enough to not
• 38:56
  necessarily need to do that off a heart rate zone or anything.
• 38:58
  So if you were to ask him, he would say that I go off field,
• 39:01
  which is good for him because it doesn't actually vary that much
• 39:04
  in pace, but he's just making sure that he's not getting
• 39:07
  injured. Now when it comes closer to the
• 39:09
  race, he gradually tapers. So that could start anywhere
• 39:12
  from six to four weeks out. He'll start reducing his volume
• 39:16
  and he will bring that down probably maximum he'll bring
• 39:19
  that down is 40% reason for him that he doesn't want to, you
• 39:24
  know, rest too much is he does exactly what we were talking
• 39:26
  about. He wants to keep the intensity
• 39:27
  there, but he wants to keep the confidence.
• 39:28
  He doesn't want to do anything that his body is then going to
• 39:30
  get to race there and be shocked by the fact that it's got to
• 39:32
  suddenly do the volume at that speed.
• 39:35
  Now that being said, again, being a professional, an elite
• 39:39
  marathon runner, sometimes his sessions that he does, he won't
• 39:43
  be doing the same session, but one of his sessions on a normal
• 39:45
  week might be 35 K of which 20K are at or above marathon pace
• 39:51
  with rolling different paces between.
• 39:54
  But that's the sort of session that he might do and reduce in
• 39:59
  length from 35K and that's what's affecting the total
• 40:01
  volume. He's not cutting that session
• 40:03
  out completely. He's just starting to bring that
• 40:05
  in and that's really what his taper looks like so that when he
• 40:08
  gets to the start line on race day.
• 40:10
  He's pretty confident in how his body is going to perform because
• 40:12
  he's been doing it the whole time.
• 40:14
  It's just recently it's been doing less of the IT that makes.
• 40:17
  Sense and I think if we like rein this back in because
• 40:20
  obviously he's one of the best to ever ever run a marathon.
• 40:24
  It's like it sounds like in theory a great idea to copy what
• 40:28
  he's doing. Obviously you have to adjust
• 40:31
  your paces a little bit, but and your mileage.
• 40:33
  Yeah, well, that and that's a bit, but there are, there are
• 40:35
  there are people who probably can do similar volume who aren't
• 40:40
  quite his level. But when you look at the taper,
• 40:43
  he's obviously you said anywhere between 6:00 and four weeks out.
• 40:47
  He sat down with his coach or his team, whether that's with
• 40:51
  his sponsors, whatever, and they're bookmarks, certain
• 40:53
  marathons or he's been invited or asked to do certain marathons
• 40:56
  for media or whatever. So those are the ones he's
• 40:59
  bookmarked in his season and his whole life and career is built
• 41:03
  around that. So he has the flexibility to do
• 41:06
  a long training block. So a six to four week taper is
• 41:10
  great for him, but if you're training for your first
• 41:13
  marathon, for example, you're running London or you've got a
• 41:15
  marathon planned, probably don't want to do a six week taper.
• 41:18
  You probably don't want to do a four week taper.
• 41:20
  For me, maximum, your volume reduction starts for the
• 41:25
  everyday person, two weeks out, one week for a marathon,
• 41:29
  probably OK, but you do. And I know it's going to feel
• 41:32
  disconcerting because you're like, I want to use every day
• 41:35
  that I have to try and push the needle to get faster time.
• 41:39
  But actually at that point in your block, the hard work is
• 41:41
  done, the adaptation is done. The best thing like you say now
• 41:44
  is to recover, rest so you're as fresh as possible.
• 41:48
  And people lose sight of the fact that how fatiguing the
• 41:52
  miles are going to be like post race.
• 41:56
  I think I mentioned this before there was some study and
• 42:00
  research to say that the optimum recovery post marathon is a day
• 42:04
  per mile, which if you put that into perspective, that's some
• 42:08
  time. Yeah, yeah.
• 42:09
  The aerobic fatigue sits with you for so long, even if you
• 42:12
  don't feel that your central nervous system is, CNS will be
• 42:15
  really, really fatigued. So try and get to start line
• 42:18
  with at least two weeks of probably reduced volume.
• 42:20
  The other thing as well is, I mean, we're saying, yeah,
• 42:23
  probably for the average person, four to six weeks isn't ideal.
• 42:26
  But again, everybody thinks there's a taper of what you do
• 42:29
  just before the race because a lot of people, especially if you
• 42:32
  are from the high rocks CrossFit world or a different background
• 42:35
  in training and your preparation is kind of the week of when he's
• 42:39
  dropping and he's tapering. It's so gradual.
• 42:42
  It's 5% a week, which for most people when they're running, you
• 42:46
  wouldn't notice. If your average volume has been,
• 42:49
  you know, 10K for this, then that's the difference of 2K.
• 42:53
  You're probably not going to notice that.
• 42:54
  For him, that's probably more noticeable because you're
• 42:56
  actually looking at, you know? 200 KS. 200K weeks and you're
• 43:00
  dropping out by 5%, which is 10K, but like even that isn't a
• 43:03
  lot. And then you're doing that week
• 43:05
  and week and week. You're not really going to
• 43:06
  notice it too much apart from maybe you actually do feel a bit
• 43:08
  fresher in those sessions. And that's really the aim of
• 43:11
  his. Now I know that Paula was a bit
• 43:13
  different. And you want me to talk about
• 43:16
  Paula's taper and go for it? What I was going to say is
• 43:18
  clearly at the Mindsets podcast, we're good at maths.
• 43:21
  Yeah, because you've gone for the old 10 as your person.
• 43:24
  Yeah, so what's really upsetting, and for those that
• 43:26
  don't know, I have a degree that is essentially in maths and it's
• 43:29
  not just a degree, it's a master's degree.
• 43:31
  So I should be a lot better. And I am somewhat ashamed of my
• 43:33
  mental maths, but this is my job now, so we're going to continue
• 43:36
  on with this. And my miles a kilometer of
• 43:39
  conversion earlier as well, that was that was nothing just.
• 43:41
  To stay on brand for us because we sometimes go off on a
• 43:43
  tangent. Does it annoy you based on what
• 43:45
  you said earlier and grind my gears about people mixing
• 43:47
  kilometers and miles? That it's mileage when you talk
• 43:49
  about how many kilometers you do a week instead of your
• 43:51
  kilometre. Ridge, it should do, but it
• 43:54
  doesn't. OK.
• 43:55
  Moving on, I might start saying kilometre Ridge now because?
• 43:58
  Kilometre Ridge is not I. Think that would upset a lot.
• 44:00
  Yeah, that's funny. So Paul is slightly different to
• 44:03
  Kip Jogi. And also like, I don't like that
• 44:07
  there's this set. Like this is what the taper
• 44:10
  should look like, because everyone's taper should be
• 44:13
  different in the same way that everyone's training is
• 44:16
  different. Even if we're similar as
• 44:18
  athletes, our paces will be slightly different, even if it's
• 44:21
  by one second. So everything's going to be
• 44:22
  different. So Paula is slightly different
• 44:24
  in terms of her approach with the taper where her volume
• 44:27
  reduction is a lot more, right. So she's trying and I, I can't
• 44:31
  remember where she was quoted, but she was like, the best thing
• 44:35
  that I can do is get to the start line like so, so fresh.
• 44:39
  And I think when we started talking about this, I mentioned
• 44:42
  that she was like characterized by an aggressive running style
• 44:45
  in terms of like, not the way she moved mechanically, but in
• 44:48
  terms of how she'd approached the race.
• 44:49
  And she really took it to the field and wanted to run at the
• 44:51
  front. And that was what motivated her
• 44:54
  to push hard. So as a result, she's going for
• 44:57
  like these big hard efforts. Her volume reduction was more
• 45:01
  than what we'd see from Kipchogi, so that when she did
• 45:04
  get to the start line, she was ready to go.
• 45:07
  I know it's tough when people are listening to podcasts to
• 45:09
  know what's actually being inferred and what's being said,
• 45:12
  but we have actually got that as a quote.
• 45:14
  The quote was the key is to arrive at the start line feeling
• 45:16
  fresh, not tied from training from the book, how to run.
• 45:19
  So that was her approach. She wanted to get there.
• 45:22
  She wanted to feel like she was confident, but her version of
• 45:25
  confident as opposed to keep Jodie's and knowing how his
• 45:27
  body's going to work every single day.
• 45:29
  Hers was I need to feel fresh. I need to feel like, you know, I
• 45:32
  need to release some energy, that kind of thing, which is a
• 45:36
  very different approach. And again, like you were saying,
• 45:37
  it's different for. Everybody I think also like from
• 45:40
  personal experience and let's move back to like high rocks
• 45:43
  because we have more experience in that when I'm getting towards
• 45:46
  race day in a tape a week, I'm just like itching to go because
• 45:50
  like I'm so used to doing a lot of training in my week that when
• 45:54
  I get to taper and there's this big volume reduction, there's
• 45:58
  some days when I'm just sitting around where I was like I would
• 46:00
  usually be training now and you're kind of like twiddling
• 46:02
  your thumbs. And for me that's a big
• 46:05
  confidence booster because like I get into the warm up pen and
• 46:08
  I'm like, let the dogs out, let's go like I want to run.
• 46:12
  And I'm sure that's a similar sensation and a similar feeling
• 46:15
  for Paula. It's like, God, I just want to
• 46:17
  go because I've got all of this energy and I feel so good and I
• 46:20
  know it's. Going to and that that's where I
• 46:22
  would say I differ I I only ever feel as good as my most recent
• 46:27
  training. Oh really?
• 46:28
  So for me in the warm up area, I I need to know that my body is
• 46:33
  going to perform this way because it did then not because
• 46:36
  it should because of like it should to me means nothing.
• 46:40
  It it will because it did is like the hard evidence that I
• 46:44
  rely on and I. Can't you?
• 46:46
  Can't you then reframe that to like earlier in your training
• 46:49
  block that just feels too far away from you?
• 46:52
  Because if you've already done that session in the training
• 46:55
  block, I know like I can run that pace because I did it in my
• 46:58
  training block. Whether that was yesterday or
• 47:01
  three weeks ago, the training fluctuation, I haven't lost that
• 47:05
  fitness. I've been consistent, so as long
• 47:06
  as my training's been the way it should have been, I know I'm
• 47:10
  carrying that fitness and I should be able to even at that
• 47:13
  point. That's the way I've rested for
• 47:15
  like the last four days. Let's say for people listening
• 47:17
  like and we were doing kilometers, but let's say I was
• 47:20
  going to go for a sub three marathon.
• 47:22
  So I'm trying to keep hold whatever that is 4 sixteens.
• 47:24
  I think it is something like that.
• 47:25
  So let's say I'm trying to hold 4 sixteens.
• 47:28
  If I am three days out and for the across those three days I
• 47:33
  don't run at least one kilometer at 416, then in my head my body
• 47:41
  doesn't know what it feels like to run that pace.
• 47:43
  It knows that I should be able to.
• 47:44
  My training hasn't changed. Like we said, performance
• 47:46
  doesn't differ in that last week.
• 47:47
  There's no extra adaptation. But I want to be able to get to
• 47:50
  that start line and think my body knows what it feels like at
• 47:53
  416. That is what it feels like.
• 47:55
  It feels fine, not well. I ran 430 yesterday for 3K and
• 48:00
  that felt so good. So 416 shouldn't feel any worse
• 48:03
  than that. That's not how I work.
• 48:05
  And same in same as in earlier in the block, let's say I did do
• 48:08
  a 20K tempo a month out at 4:16 and I felt good on that.
• 48:13
  In that month, I've done so much and I haven't touched that.
• 48:17
  And then I'm coming into it and I'm like Carl, that was a month
• 48:20
  ago. I did just under half the
• 48:22
  distance at the pace. Then that's all about reframe.
• 48:25
  And the problem is on a race for me, which is an endurance race,
• 48:29
  especially a marathon. If let's say I'm going 3 hours,
• 48:31
  I'm going to be having that debate with myself for three
• 48:33
  hours. And that is brain energy that
• 48:35
  I'm wasting. And so for me, that's why I, I
• 48:38
  think that's a, I'm more like Kipchogi, which is the only time
• 48:41
  in my life I'm ever going to say that.
• 48:44
  But what I mean, this is rabbit hole, but I feel like it's
• 48:47
  interesting what I've really enjoyed doing over like the last
• 48:51
  let's say three months where my training has been far more
• 48:54
  specific to what is. I've actually, it's been like
• 48:57
  the half marathon block, but I've tried to make it as
• 48:59
  specific to high rocks as possible.
• 49:01
  Within that, I've been trying my hardest to run my interval
• 49:06
  sessions, which are more specific to the shorter stuff
• 49:09
  for high rocks intuitively because obviously like you don't
• 49:12
  get GPS data in the Excel center or in an exhibition hall.
• 49:17
  So trying to feel the pace when I'm running intuitively.
• 49:21
  And every time I've done those sessions, I've developed more
• 49:25
  and more understanding and more confidence with it.
• 49:29
  And that was a big part of why I felt confident when I got to the
• 49:31
  start line as well. It's because I knew that pace in
• 49:34
  and out and like I could just go and run and be like this is
• 49:36
  4/10, this is 4, this is way faster.
• 49:39
  It's almost like finding gears, you know what that gear is, you
• 49:42
  know it's going to be in and around and obviously the more
• 49:44
  running or the more of any exercise you do at a certain
• 49:47
  pace, you're you're going to know what it feels like.
• 49:50
  And again, reiterating everything is going to feel
• 49:54
  different for everybody. Like we're not the same people.
• 49:56
  So everybody's tape is going to be different.
• 49:58
  And Paula's was more about peeking and for some people
• 50:01
  listening to that. And maybe some people will be
• 50:04
  hearing what I'm saying and hearing what Kacoki does and
• 50:07
  thinking that actually makes a lot of sense because like, then
• 50:09
  you know pretty much how it's going to go on race day.
• 50:12
  That is true. But if you take a broadened
• 50:14
  approach and you look at athletes that are preparing for
• 50:16
  the Olympic Games, a lot of those athletes train in four
• 50:19
  year blocks. We've discussed that with Julie
• 50:21
  Hodgkinson because you want to peak at the right time.
• 50:24
  You want all of your training to give you the best possible
• 50:27
  performance when it matters. That is normal and in effect
• 50:31
  both athletes are doing that. It's just the fine detail of how
• 50:35
  they do that for them is half mental and half I was going.
• 50:39
  To say a lot of it is just how they process it mentally to to
• 50:43
  get them to the best place. But then this, this rolls in off
• 50:46
  the back of their taper with the two different ways they approach
• 50:49
  that is how they actually race. And this is probably a big one
• 50:52
  for anyone that is ever going to run a marathon.
• 50:54
  You can do whatever you think the best taper is for you.
• 50:57
  But when you're on the start line, there's very, very few
• 51:00
  things that is going through your head other than oh shit,
• 51:04
  like it's here. Like it is here.
• 51:08
  There aren't many people that are on the start line genuinely
• 51:11
  looking forward to the next 42.8 kilometres so.
• 51:15
  Especially if it's your first one.
• 51:17
  But then I, I say that, but like, once you've done it,
• 51:19
  you've experienced how miserable there's going to be points of so
• 51:24
  it can be like even more daunting because you know you've
• 51:26
  done it before and you know the experience that's going to go
• 51:29
  down. Out of if I, if someone came up
• 51:32
  to me and they were like, I don't know what to do in the
• 51:34
  marathon, like how do I race it to get the time that I want?
• 51:38
  First of all, don't know why you're coming to me.
• 51:41
  Second of all, the general advice is don't go out too hot.
• 51:44
  That goes for any endurance event because it's so common
• 51:47
  that people do they blow up halfway through, they don't get
• 51:49
  the time and all of a sudden they didn't prepare for.
• 51:51
  The just like caveat that as well, because it's like everyone
• 51:54
  says that and you go, obviously I'm not going to go out too hot.
• 51:57
  But when it's a big group of people and you, you easily just
• 52:01
  get sucked along with the general pace.
• 52:04
  It's like when you're on the motorway and all of the cars are
• 52:06
  going the same pace and you look down at the speed and you're
• 52:08
  like, fuck, I'm going like 85. It's like you easily get dragged
• 52:12
  into it. And then factor in the fact
• 52:13
  you've got adrenaline that's not allowing you to process how your
• 52:17
  body is realistically feeling. So even if it's like 1-2 ish
• 52:22
  case of pace that's slightly faster than race pace or
• 52:26
  predicted race pace, that's just going to come back and haunt
• 52:29
  you. That's just like glycogen being
• 52:30
  smashed too early. So that when you get later on in
• 52:33
  the race, when you're getting to the point where it really
• 52:35
  matters, you're looking at like 2830 K, you're like, fuck, why
• 52:38
  do I feel so bad now? It's because oh shit, I went too
• 52:41
  hot at the start. So it's like, just remember, in
• 52:44
  theory you can say I'm not going to go too hot, but everyone said
• 52:47
  that and then lots of people still managed to go too hot.
• 52:50
  There's a thing that's worth mentioning specifically for the
• 52:52
  London Marathon is traffic tax, which is becoming a bit of a
• 52:55
  problem because there are so many people racing and so many
• 52:58
  people want their time. At the beginning, you're so
• 53:00
  packed into the pen that when you all get loose, all of a
• 53:04
  sudden you're having to weave in and out of people.
• 53:07
  So the general advice, which I know people that are doing under
• 53:10
  marathon or other marathons have been given, is whatever your
• 53:13
  target time is, go for the 15 minute faster pacing group
• 53:16
  because that way you're not having to weave in and out of so
• 53:19
  many people. Great on paper.
• 53:21
  So next year am I going to have to go half an hour ahead?
• 53:24
  Because everybody's heard that advice for all the people that
• 53:27
  want to run a 4 hour marathon, put 345 this year.
• 53:30
  But then because they're actually going to run a format
• 53:32
  and I'm going to go for 3:45, so now I need to put 330.
• 53:37
  And now there are people that are actually trying to run 330
• 53:40
  having to even out of people that are hoping to get 4 hour
• 53:42
  marathons, that becomes a bit of a problem again.
• 53:46
  And so that is something to consider is if you have put an
• 53:49
  accurate wave time or, or target time pace group.
• 53:53
  First of all, well done, That's what you're supposed to do.
• 53:55
  That's how it's supposed to work.
• 53:56
  Second of all though, you do have to be aware that there are
• 53:58
  people that will have got it wrong, so there is going to be
• 54:01
  traffic. Use it to your advantage to make
• 54:04
  sure you're not getting overexcited.
• 54:06
  That's the main thing coming out of the gate, like you said
• 54:08
  there, because the adrenaline is going to shut off.
• 54:10
  Any sensory regulation for being like this is fine.
• 54:13
  And that's not even the nerves of like the fact that you're
• 54:16
  running a marathon. It's the atmosphere.
• 54:19
  Everyone has got the same nerves.
• 54:20
  Everyone's excited. You've got people cheering you
• 54:22
  on even in those early stages of the race.
• 54:24
  It's also. A biological response to like
• 54:26
  the stimulation, it's fight or flight and your body's like
• 54:30
  stressed. So as a result, it's preparing
• 54:32
  you for something. So it's like those butterflies
• 54:34
  and those nerves, you've got to use them to your advantage
• 54:38
  because it's, and reframe it less of like panic mode
• 54:42
  actually, oh, my body's trying to help me out by giving you
• 54:44
  this adrenaline and kind of like getting me ready to fight.
• 54:47
  I run a marathon. So kind of like ride the energy
• 54:51
  that your body is providing you, just do it sensibly.
• 54:54
  Yeah. And I think when we're about to
• 54:56
  tell you how both Elliott and Paula race their marathons, you
• 55:01
  have to understand that they're in the elite group.
• 55:03
  So they're getting set off before the crowds, right?
• 55:05
  They don't have to deal with any of that.
• 55:07
  In fact, they can hit their stride straight away.
• 55:09
  They're going to know where they're at and off they go.
• 55:10
  They're just following the pace, the paces that they're they've
• 55:13
  been assigned. So bear that in mind.
• 55:16
  However, when it comes to the average math, when we were
• 55:19
  talking about the times that people are going for, I would
• 55:22
  personally say doing some quick maths is hopefully good this
• 55:25
  time. If you are actually going for
• 55:27
  anything really above, I would say 2 hours, 53 hours, let's say
• 55:33
  anything above that, whatever happens in those first 2
• 55:36
  kilometres isn't going to cost you that time.
• 55:38
  So whatever you do, if you feel like you've been caught up or
• 55:41
  like you're really wasting a lot of energy trying to get up to
• 55:44
  the required pace in those first 2 kilometres can only really go
• 55:47
  wrong if you lose 10 to 20 seconds per kilometre on those
• 55:51
  first two. That's 40 seconds across a three
• 55:54
  hour race. You can gain that back by
• 55:56
  correct pacing for the rest of it.
• 55:59
  If if if we are talking you lost 40 seconds across those first 2
• 56:02
  kilometers. As long as you take back one
• 56:04
  second on every kilometre remaining, you're going to hit
• 56:06
  your time. It's not going to be the be all
• 56:08
  and end all. So it might get stressful, but
• 56:11
  like just relax. It's a long.
• 56:13
  Razor And there will be fluctuations and that that's the
• 56:16
  main take away that I'll go with from last weekend when I ran a
• 56:19
  marathon. It's like it is an emotional
• 56:22
  roller coaster. And you know, because people
• 56:26
  always talk about hitting the wall, there will be a point
• 56:29
  where you're like, this is just like so miserable.
• 56:32
  And I'm like mentally so done with this.
• 56:35
  But it's like just being able to ride that sensation and just
• 56:38
  stick with it, stick with it, stick with it.
• 56:40
  And then you'll get your second wind and then it will probably
• 56:43
  happen again. But you ride it, ride it, right?
• 56:45
  And then you get your third wind.
• 56:46
  And it's just like being appreciative of the fact that at
• 56:50
  some point it's going to be really miserable.
• 56:52
  But that's OK. That's part of the experience
• 56:54
  and why it's such a an achievement when you do get to
• 56:56
  the finish line. But it's like don't get to the
• 57:00
  point where it hurts and just instantly stop or like give up
• 57:04
  or walk. It's like just fight a little
• 57:06
  bit because it naturally will start to get a bit better.
• 57:09
  Let let me give the wise advice from Elliot Kipchoki.
• 57:13
  OK so far. Better than what I have to say.
• 57:14
  OK, so, so how he has in his approach to the race, he's
• 57:18
  obviously done this a lot of times.
• 57:19
  Again, it's his job. He takes the approach of running
• 57:23
  the first half of the marathon as if it was under the fatigue
• 57:27
  of being the second-half. So essentially pacing those
• 57:32
  first 201K or 13 miles as if it is the second-half of the race,
• 57:38
  getting to that finish line. Then when he gets to that point,
• 57:41
  how does he feel? Again, under his experience and
• 57:45
  the amount of running he does, if he's feeling great, he's
• 57:48
  going to know. If he's not feeling great, he's
• 57:50
  going to know. And it's probably going to be
• 57:52
  like ±5% around that average feeling.
• 57:57
  And that's going to be the difference when you're running
• 57:59
  such elite times in getting APB by 20 seconds, which sounds like
• 58:05
  a lot on a Sprint race or a middle distance race, but it's
• 58:09
  nothing on a marathon. So that's really what that
• 58:12
  difference is. He's experienced enough to know
• 58:14
  that the first half doesn't define the race.
• 58:15
  The second-half definitely does get to that halfway point and
• 58:19
  then for him, 21 K. You can really do some damage on
• 58:22
  a race if he's feeling good. I would say for the most, for
• 58:24
  the most part, a lot of people, especially if it's your first
• 58:27
  marathon, probably aren't going to be in the driver's seat quite
• 58:30
  so much. But feeling good as long as you
• 58:32
  can is best. Because when you suddenly stop
• 58:34
  feeling good, then it's like a really hold on for what you can
• 58:38
  and it starts to get a bit dark. But I think like also there has
• 58:43
  to be, take that with a pinch of salt because at the end of the
• 58:46
  day, when I go and run a marathon, I go, this is the time
• 58:51
  I want to achieve. It's now me versus the clock.
• 58:56
  And there's no other repercussion other than I either
• 58:58
  go at my pace and I hit my target or I go slower and I
• 59:01
  don't hit it. For Kipchogi, he's racing a
• 59:05
  marathon, and that's something that only a handful of people
• 59:09
  will ever get to experience because it's just so difficult
• 59:12
  and so elite at that that speed. So it's like he might have that
• 59:16
  as his plan A to go. I'm going to race the first half
• 59:18
  of the marathon as if it's the second-half.
• 59:20
  But what if XYZ runs off the road?
• 59:24
  Do I go, I'm going to cover that move or am I just going to trust
• 59:28
  myself as I go? I'm faster.
• 59:30
  So it's like there is a little bit of give and take and they
• 59:32
  have to cover moves and maybe he feels really good and he's like,
• 59:36
  I'm just going to test and probe and I'm going to make a move and
• 59:38
  I'm going to run up the road a little bit, see if anyone goes
• 59:41
  with me. So it's like there is always
• 59:43
  this. There is a different competitive
• 59:45
  level for. Sure, they have to think about
• 59:48
  that as well, but it is honestly fascinating and I think some
• 59:52
  people won't appreciate it as much as I do, but just sit and
• 59:56
  watch the coverage of the elite women's race, the elite men's
• 1:00:00
  race. And just for two hours, you just
• 1:00:02
  sit and watch these people just locked in and, and when they're
• 1:00:06
  actually racing, honestly, there's there's nothing more
• 1:00:08
  impressive in my opinion. Physically than watching the the
• 1:00:12
  top guys and girls race a marathon hard.
• 1:00:14
  Well, Paula Radcliffe took a took that approach exactly.
• 1:00:17
  So do you want to? So it's like her and I, I kind
• 1:00:21
  of touched on it a little bit before she was like famous for
• 1:00:24
  having this. I'm going to take it to the
• 1:00:26
  field kind of approach and like from the word go, just pull the
• 1:00:29
  pin and if anyone wants to come and hang with me, they're more
• 1:00:32
  than welcome. But there was like, that
• 1:00:34
  unrivalled trust in her training and like, trust in her own
• 1:00:38
  ability to be like, yeah, I'm just going to go.
• 1:00:41
  And this is how I like to run. I like to be at the front.
• 1:00:44
  And as a result, I think you block out all the noise of
• 1:00:47
  everything else that's going on. So it's like, I'm going to start
• 1:00:49
  hard. And then I just know what my
• 1:00:51
  pace looks like. And I think that's a really good
• 1:00:53
  way It's it's easy to get distracted.
• 1:00:56
  For example, Kipchogi, he might be sat in a pack of other
• 1:00:59
  runners and it's so easy to get distracted by covering moves or
• 1:01:03
  the fluctuation in the group's pacing when you're going up and
• 1:01:06
  down hills. When Paul is out in the front,
• 1:01:08
  she can just focus on, this is my pace, I'm going to hit it and
• 1:01:11
  just focus on getting into that rhythm.
• 1:01:13
  And that's the key, I think. If you can find your groove and
• 1:01:16
  find your flow, no one's going to beat her.
• 1:01:19
  I think that's the thing that's really interesting in the boom
• 1:01:21
  or bust versus the consistency thing, and that's where this is
• 1:01:24
  all kind of leading is. We've spoken about how both of
• 1:01:28
  the athletes prepare for their races and the outcomes of both
• 1:01:33
  arguably, well, I mean, they've both held the world record for
• 1:01:38
  the matter at one point. Technically speaking, Kipchoge
• 1:01:41
  is the first person to have broken the two hours, but is
• 1:01:43
  under a whole bunch of constraints that no one else has
• 1:01:45
  got to to say. That's fair.
• 1:01:47
  However, in both of their styles, the outcomes to have
• 1:01:54
  both been the absolute pinnacle of the sport.
• 1:01:56
  However, the consistency difference is huge.
• 1:01:58
  So yeah, Paula would usually absolutely dominate a race as
• 1:02:04
  you as we saw by her CV when you introduced her or probably not
• 1:02:07
  finish, she would pull out and that might be that she went off
• 1:02:10
  too hot and it was like, Nah, today is not my day.
• 1:02:13
  I don't have it. We'll we'll call it there before
• 1:02:15
  I get injured. Kipchogi is his times are
• 1:02:19
  seriously consistent across the board.
• 1:02:21
  Like outrageously consistent. Fortunately for him, especially
• 1:02:25
  in some of the competitive races, that means he's first.
• 1:02:28
  But potentially we've never seen the absolute pinnacle of his
• 1:02:33
  performance because he's never been boom or bust in and he's
• 1:02:36
  never, I mean, I'm speaking for him and this isn't on quote.
• 1:02:40
  As far as we know from his training and his taper, he's
• 1:02:43
  never taken the approach of I'm going to be fully rested.
• 1:02:46
  I'm going to go into that race and I'm going to go out so hard
• 1:02:49
  and see how long I can hold on. He might have always been the
• 1:02:52
  logical I'm going to run my paces and I'm going to cover
• 1:02:54
  moves and I'm going to make sure that I crossed that line 1st and
• 1:02:57
  I'm going to hope that it's a fast time.
• 1:03:00
  It would be really interesting. And we'll never know if like
• 1:03:03
  he's absolutely hit his maximum potential or if the way that he
• 1:03:07
  tapers and prepares has given him a fantastic career of
• 1:03:10
  winning a lot of races, but not necessarily given him the best
• 1:03:13
  time he'll ever run versus Paula, who's definitely can say
• 1:03:17
  she's given me the best time she's ever run, but hasn't
• 1:03:20
  necessarily had the same winning.
• 1:03:22
  Consistency, I think it's interesting because I've got two
• 1:03:25
  things. Firstly on Kipchogi is when he
• 1:03:29
  did the breaking 2IN Vienna with Ineos.
• 1:03:34
  They there's so much science around it with the clothing that
• 1:03:38
  he was wearing, with the shoes that he was wearing, with the
• 1:03:39
  wind breaking of the team around him with how he was fuelling.
• 1:03:43
  There must have been so much science around how we get this
• 1:03:47
  guy to the start line in like I'm he.
• 1:03:50
  I'm sure that would be like, I don't know if that if that data
• 1:03:53
  is available to the public, but to see what they did in his
• 1:03:56
  taper to make sure he got to the start line feeling like that.
• 1:04:00
  So I mean. If anyone is listening to this
• 1:04:02
  and somehow knows you've seen a documentary, you've read
• 1:04:04
  something, please do let us know.
• 1:04:05
  Because that is. Because we're just, we're just
• 1:04:07
  speculating right on the information that we've got
• 1:04:09
  given. But for all we know, they
• 1:04:11
  literally went Iliad, stay in bed now for the next three
• 1:04:15
  weeks. Yeah, Yeah, you ain't moving.
• 1:04:17
  Yeah. Because that was what they
• 1:04:18
  decided was the best way to get him to the start line super
• 1:04:20
  fresh. So it's it's interesting to
• 1:04:22
  think but. I find the only reason that I
• 1:04:24
  would side on that probably, I mean that was an extreme
• 1:04:26
  example, but that's probably not the case, is because if that
• 1:04:28
  really worked, and I would, I'm sure he would have adapted that
• 1:04:31
  into his training and as far as we can find on the Internet, and
• 1:04:35
  this is what he still would do. And the other thing was on, on
• 1:04:38
  Paula, just like I kind of mentioned it briefly at the
• 1:04:41
  start, she's never had an Olympic medal, which seemed a
• 1:04:45
  shame because when she ran in Athens, that was like, that was
• 1:04:49
  the year after she'd set the world record.
• 1:04:51
  So that was the 2004 Olympics, I think, and I can't remember it
• 1:04:56
  because I was only small, but I imagine she had like, the hopes
• 1:05:02
  and like, glory resting on her shoulders of the British public
• 1:05:05
  because she'd set this world record.
• 1:05:06
  She was so amazing during that London Marathon attempt.
• 1:05:09
  They're like, for sure, she's going to win it.
• 1:05:12
  But she didn't finish. And then I think she went
• 1:05:15
  Beijing Olympics 2008. Her result, she finished, but I
• 1:05:19
  think it was just like a little bit, let's say of a
• 1:05:24
  disappointment probably for her expectations as well, but I
• 1:05:28
  think, I can't remember, I read this, I think she'd done 4
• 1:05:30
  consecutive Olympics, which is kind of amazing in itself to
• 1:05:35
  have 4 cycles of Olympics, but with nothing really to show for
• 1:05:40
  it. So it's just like goes to show
• 1:05:41
  that maybe her method was a like a, OK, it's going to work 50% of
• 1:05:47
  the time or a handful of times, whatever the percentage is.
• 1:05:50
  Whereas Kip Chogi was like, let's just aim for consistency.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah. And I think one of the crazy
• 1:05:56
  things in if you think about the Olympics, I mean, when I think
• 1:05:59
  about the Olympics, the first race that comes to mind is
• 1:06:02
  actually the 100 meter Sprint, just because it's the poster of
• 1:06:05
  that. But in reality, it should be the
• 1:06:07
  marathon because it's really what it was built around.
• 1:06:10
  I'm I'm just like, I want to get my money's worth.
• 1:06:12
  I'm going to sit for two hours and watch the the best endurance
• 1:06:16
  athletes in the world just smash each other.
• 1:06:18
  To be honest, that's the thing though is like, again, viewing,
• 1:06:22
  call it Gen. ZI don't think we're Gen.
• 1:06:24
  ZI think we're Gen. X.
• 1:06:25
  But I'm still impacted by my retention from social media.
• 1:06:29
  Two hours when I know the 1st 1 1/2 probably is going to make a
• 1:06:34
  massive difference on the race. It's tough for me to.
• 1:06:37
  Watch, the thing for me is like, they're so on the edge that
• 1:06:41
  there's just so much chance that they're going to crack.
• 1:06:45
  And it's just like that I'm fascinated by like the mental
• 1:06:49
  side of like what they're actually thinking.
• 1:06:51
  And I'd love to be able to, I always say this, I'd love to
• 1:06:53
  just see their heart rate data sat on the side of the screen
• 1:06:56
  because in reality I'm, I'm like terrified for them because I'm
• 1:06:59
  like, I've never experienced what this speed feels like and
• 1:07:02
  for that duration, but I for sure know it's freaking going to
• 1:07:05
  hurt. And I'm just like terrified for
• 1:07:07
  them. And I'm like, I want to see the
• 1:07:08
  outcome and how they overcome the, the, the physical and kind
• 1:07:12
  of mental battle that they're going to have to kind of face
• 1:07:14
  for the next two hours of their lives.
• 1:07:16
  I think before we wrap up this part of the topic and move on to
• 1:07:19
  doing fun things with a game for everyone that's listening to get
• 1:07:22
  involved in, one thing that I would say is a lot of people get
• 1:07:27
  sugar coated advice or words about how the marathon's going
• 1:07:31
  to be thing to be very, very clear cut.
• 1:07:34
  If you've not done one before, it will suck.
• 1:07:37
  At a certain point it will. People call it the wall,
• 1:07:40
  whatever. Some people say the wall doesn't
• 1:07:42
  really exist. It's not going to necessarily
• 1:07:44
  feel like you run into a wall at any point.
• 1:07:46
  It's just at some point it's going to hit you how far you've
• 1:07:50
  got left and how bad it's hurting or how uncomfortable you
• 1:07:53
  are. And ordinarily you'd probably be
• 1:07:56
  like, I can go home, whatever. You can't.
• 1:08:00
  The difference between it being a training run and you feeling
• 1:08:02
  like that is that you are going to be running in a place where
• 1:08:06
  you're getting cheered on by people that have no idea who you
• 1:08:09
  are. The roads have been closed for
• 1:08:10
  you. The city has been closed for
• 1:08:12
  you. Feed off that energy as much as
• 1:08:14
  possible. It might seem really, really
• 1:08:16
  weird in London on an ordinary Monday to Friday to go and ask
• 1:08:19
  someone for a high five. People are going to be offering
• 1:08:21
  high fives. People are going to be offering
• 1:08:23
  sweets. Take them, get the high fives,
• 1:08:25
  get the little boost of emotion because that is the only thing
• 1:08:28
  that you have readily available to you at any point on the
• 1:08:31
  course that's going to help you get out of that hole.
• 1:08:34
  And everyone that's ever finished a marathon typically
• 1:08:38
  gets out of that hole. And the home straight down the
• 1:08:41
  mile towards Buckingham Palace is something that, do you know
• 1:08:43
  what I'm getting Goose. Yeah, I was about to say
• 1:08:45
  goosebumps. That will give people
• 1:08:47
  goosebumps. And if you've run it before, if
• 1:08:49
  you've never run it, it should give you goosebumps.
• 1:08:51
  It's an incredible, incredible. Way there will not be a marathon
• 1:08:54
  experience, some people might argue in New York, but there
• 1:08:57
  won't be a marathon experience as well lined as the streets of
• 1:09:01
  London when you run it. And so many people like you say,
• 1:09:04
  just like wanting you to do your best because everyone watching,
• 1:09:08
  whether they're done a marathon or not, knows in some capacity
• 1:09:12
  what where you're at and, and how much it's hurting.
• 1:09:14
  And like also for those who have trained, how much effort they've
• 1:09:19
  put into this training block to be able to get to the end and
• 1:09:22
  feel the achievement and feel proud of themselves that they've
• 1:09:24
  done that. And there's so many people
• 1:09:26
  running it for a good 'cause as well.
• 1:09:28
  So it's just like the culmination of all of those
• 1:09:30
  things. Yes, we've spoken about two of
• 1:09:32
  the most elite ever marathon runners.
• 1:09:34
  But at the end of the day, you're an elite, you're a
• 1:09:38
  marathon runner because you're doing and it's like, it's your
• 1:09:40
  marathon. So like just view it like that
• 1:09:42
  and and and you'll have a great time whether it's type 2 fun or
• 1:09:46
  not. Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  Fair enough kind of thing. Well, one of the things that can
• 1:09:50
  absolutely, I mean, we spoke that can suck on a marathon day,
• 1:09:53
  and we've spoken about this is those little annoyances.
• 1:09:55
  You get blisters, whatever. If you've got new shoes.
• 1:09:58
  One of the things that people probably don't take into account
• 1:10:00
  other than the carbon footwear is the other thing that goes on
• 1:10:02
  their feet, which is their socks.
• 1:10:04
  And that's hugely topical because we are supported
• 1:10:09
  thankfully by high style clothing who have high socks and
• 1:10:13
  podium chaser. High socks, if you don't know,
• 1:10:16
  are grit based socks. You might be thinking, I swear
• 1:10:19
  that's just a high rocks thing you need for sled pull to stop
• 1:10:20
  your shoes coming off or sled push.
• 1:10:22
  No, it means that you have good contact with your trainers.
• 1:10:27
  And to be honest, feeling at one with shoes is a thing that I can
• 1:10:30
  say I haven't had for much of my life.
• 1:10:32
  But it feels so different when it feels like you're running
• 1:10:36
  just with your body and not with the shoes being an accessory to
• 1:10:39
  your running. So if that sounds like something
• 1:10:42
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• 1:10:45
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• 1:10:47
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• 1:10:55
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• 1:10:57
  Pick up some nice cool stylish clothes, but also get yourself
• 1:11:01
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• 1:11:04
  stuff that is legal, not the stuff that's not anything to add
• 1:11:09
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• 1:11:11
  contact with the shoes going to stop rubbing as well big time.
• 1:11:14
  So you're not going to get blisters and also the like
• 1:11:17
  they're so breathable. I say that every time and it's
• 1:11:20
  my favorite feature on the sock, the mesh on the top, it just
• 1:11:22
  makes it more breathable. Your feet aren't going to get
• 1:11:24
  hot sweaty. They were going to swell less.
• 1:11:26
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• 1:11:28
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• 1:12:22
  You bought the game this time. I hit you with a quiz last time.
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  What have we got this week? I'm going back at you with
• 1:12:27
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• 1:12:30
  Originally off the back of the Masters, I put together like a
• 1:12:35
  really golf heavy quiz. I know some people don't love
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  golf as much as we do. So I've tried to sprinkle in
• 1:12:41
  some other questions in and around that.
• 1:12:42
  I'm going to manipulate my laptop screen so you cannot wish
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  I could read that. I'm actually struggling to read
• 1:12:48
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  That's I have that excuse. So the first question pays
• 1:12:55
  tribute to the goat, not Paula Radcliffe, the other goat, Tiger
• 1:12:59
  Woods. So Tiger.
• 1:13:03
  Woods in the news for all the right reasons, he has.
• 1:13:06
  So how many weeks did Tiger Woods spend as #1 golfer weeks?
• 1:13:14
  So I went on a mad one about how Paula Radcliffe held her world
• 1:13:18
  record for 16 years. Yeah, so I'm going to about to
• 1:13:24
  go on a mad one for Tiger Woods as well.
• 1:13:26
  How many was? Official world #1.
• 1:13:29
  Officials. Yeah.
• 1:13:30
  Yeah, official. I'm going to say this is going
• 1:13:31
  to sound pretty absurd, but I'm going to go ahead and say this.
• 1:13:35
  52 weeks in a year. Nice.
• 1:13:36
  So I actually don't think it's outrageous to say something like
• 1:13:41
  370 weeks. That's not outrageous at all
• 1:13:46
  because it's 00 my. Word.
• 1:13:48
  Well, that was quick maths. 638 weeks.
• 1:13:52
  Not double, but still mad. 12 years.
• 1:13:55
  Just over 12 years. Undisputed #1.
• 1:13:59
  Name another sport. Name another sports person,
• 1:14:03
  sportswoman, that dominant. Me in my backyard when I was
• 1:14:07
  playing football. For 12 years, that's.
• 1:14:10
  I guess you were the only one there.
• 1:14:12
  Yeah. It's just like I, I can't.
• 1:14:14
  Even that's actually mad. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:16
  Isn't it? All right, next question.
• 1:14:20
  A new record attendance for the Women's Six Nations game was
• 1:14:23
  broken last weekend when England hosted Ireland at the Alliens
• 1:14:28
  Twickenham. So I guess it was because they
• 1:14:32
  wanted to go and see Ellie Kildon.
• 1:14:33
  If you haven't watched that episode last week and we chatted
• 1:14:36
  all things Ellie Kildon. Weapons.
• 1:14:38
  She trains like one too. If you want to hear how she
• 1:14:40
  trains, go back and listen to that.
• 1:14:41
  And she also had a great game. But what was the attendance to
• 1:14:46
  the nearest thousand? So you've got some options here.
• 1:14:49
  OK. A is 67,000 OK, B is 77,000, C
• 1:14:56
  is 87,000 and D is 97,000. C it's between B or CI.
• 1:15:02
  Think it's actually B because that number was in my head
• 1:15:05
  before you gave any options so I was going to say 77,000.
• 1:15:09
  Nice. I think it was.
• 1:15:10
  Yeah, I'll give you B, It was exactly 77120.
• 1:15:14
  Damn, yeah, which is amazing. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:17
  And I don't think it beat the record of when the Red Roses
• 1:15:20
  were in the World Cup final, but it's definitely a Six Nations
• 1:15:24
  record. Which is really, really good for
• 1:15:26
  sport. I will say that I don't know if
• 1:15:29
  you heard the comparison between the Wales, Scotland attendant.
• 1:15:33
  No it. Was a lot lower, was it?
• 1:15:35
  Yeah, I think it might have been in the hundreds.
• 1:15:37
  But I always say that with like England in general, the British
• 1:15:42
  public or especially the English.
• 1:15:44
  Public Oh, we love to get behind our teams.
• 1:15:47
  So, so yeah, yeah, yeah. So like England football,
• 1:15:49
  England rugby, it doesn't matter, but it's just like a
• 1:15:51
  nice environment, a good day out.
• 1:15:53
  And there's sort of a shame we couldn't go.
• 1:15:56
  But yeah. So that was that was.
• 1:15:57
  So I've got one of the red roses, Yeah.
• 1:16:00
  How much prize money did Rory McIlroy win for this year's
• 1:16:04
  Masters? It was the highest ever payout
• 1:16:07
  it for the winner. It was also the highest ever
• 1:16:10
  prize purse. So when you Scroll down even
• 1:16:13
  like 50 I don't. Even know what they'd win in in
• 1:16:15
  golf, to be honest, I imagine it's going to be quite a lot
• 1:16:19
  because I heard a thing about the fact that he was getting
• 1:16:20
  private jets up to Augusta to play and going.
• 1:16:24
  Home. I can't believe you haven't
• 1:16:25
  mentioned that. Oh my God.
• 1:16:26
  Crazy. I'm going to go ahead and say
• 1:16:29
  that he's won because most, most, most professional athletes
• 1:16:34
  obviously get their earnings responses.
• 1:16:35
  Which he still does. Yeah, the majority of his
• 1:16:38
  yearling. Earnings.
• 1:16:38
  I'm going to go ahead and say that he's going to be mad based
• 1:16:42
  on like, wow. Yeah, I like what you're saying.
• 1:16:46
  3.2 million. Dollars.
• 1:16:48
  It's a really good guess. I think Scotty Scheffler last
• 1:16:52
  year won something similar. Wait, not last year.
• 1:16:55
  I mean, the year before, yeah, yeah, sorry, idiot.
• 1:16:57
  The year before, but Rory broke that record with 4.5 million.
• 1:17:03
  I think it's between 4.24 point 5 million.
• 1:17:05
  Yeah. But when you think about like,
• 1:17:07
  his yearly earnings, I think it's like it's such a small
• 1:17:11
  percentage of what they're making is on the course.
• 1:17:13
  And like, Tiger Woods is still one of the highest paid golfers.
• 1:17:17
  The guy doesn't even play in here.
• 1:17:18
  Like that's what. 22 interesting side things about the Masters,
• 1:17:22
  by the way, that I learnt this week because it was on one.
• 1:17:26
  Do you see the controversy about people not being allowed their
• 1:17:28
  phones in because patrons, which is what they're called, you
• 1:17:30
  know, phones? A lot of people were saying
• 1:17:32
  that's ridiculous. Whatever, get with the times.
• 1:17:34
  It was so refreshing to see everybody just watching.
• 1:17:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for once instead of like having to watch
• 1:17:41
  through their phone. And the other thing that I
• 1:17:44
  thought was really interesting, did you know that the menu the
• 1:17:48
  like snap stops hasn't, hasn't changed?
• 1:17:50
  Oh, really? And also is still at the same
• 1:17:53
  price it always was. So you can get a sandwich, it's
• 1:17:56
  like a salmon or something. There's some sort of seafood
• 1:17:58
  sandwich that you can get for $1.20 because that's what it was
• 1:18:00
  when they felt I just. Can't believe it?
• 1:18:02
  Yeah, when you know how exclusive Augusta National is as
• 1:18:05
  a gold sub, Yeah, that's wild. That's good, good, good facts.
• 1:18:09
  All right, so let's go back to no, we're not going back to golf
• 1:18:14
  yet. We're going to swimming.
• 1:18:15
  Oh, OK. Adam PT has just won the 100
• 1:18:18
  meter breaststroke final at the GB Swimming Champs, but what was
• 1:18:23
  his time? You've got choices again.
• 1:18:26
  Thank God a, that would have been so hard and horrible.
• 1:18:29
  I don't know where you'd have gone.
• 1:18:31
  A 57.9. Seven.
• 1:18:33
  It would not have gone there. B.
• 1:18:37
  Is 58.97 and C is 59.97 so all a second difference 575859.97.
• 1:18:49
  I don't want to do him a disservice by saying that he's
• 1:18:52
  at all slower than anything else.
• 1:18:53
  I'm going to have to go 57.97 A. He's the middle.
• 1:18:57
  He's 58.97. Still very good.
• 1:19:01
  Yeah, it's very fast. Yeah, very fast.
• 1:19:03
  OK. After two rounds of this year's
• 1:19:05
  Masters, Rory was ahead of the field by a record amount of
• 1:19:09
  shots. How many shots did he lead by
• 1:19:13
  going into the weekend through 36 holes?
• 1:19:18
  Come on, no choices. After wait?
• 1:19:22
  After how many rounds? That's after 2, after 2 rounds,
• 1:19:25
  6 holes. Was he seven ahead?
• 1:19:32
  You locking it in. I'm locking it in.
• 1:19:34
  Six ahead. Oh, I knew it was around that.
• 1:19:37
  That was a good guess, yeah. I've been.
• 1:19:39
  I've been guessing. Yeah.
• 1:19:40
  Good. Guessing.
• 1:19:41
  Yeah, good guessing. Let's stay with golf.
• 1:19:44
  You've got you've got to get this, you've got to get this.
• 1:19:47
  So in 2025 on the PGA Tour, Scotty Scheffler had an adjusted
• 1:19:54
  scoring average of 68.13. Yes, he did.
• 1:19:58
  The 5th best single season average in Tour history?
• 1:20:03
  Yes. Can you name three other players
• 1:20:06
  in the top five of that same list?
• 1:20:08
  I can, can you? Yes #3 is Tiger Woods.
• 1:20:14
  I think I can name all of the other others in the top five and
• 1:20:17
  they're all Tiger Woods because wasn't he like, didn't he have
• 1:20:20
  the top 8? So there's the top 8, Scotty
• 1:20:24
  sits at 5th. And then tigers, the rest of
• 1:20:26
  them that is mad. Wild.
• 1:20:30
  Yeah, sorry about talk about scoring average.
• 1:20:32
  The Tiger, the Tiger Woods glazing continues.
• 1:20:34
  Yeah, God, again. I mean, we'll reiterate for PR
• 1:20:39
  purposes, undisputed one of the best athletes of all time, not
• 1:20:44
  necessarily the best role model. Fair.
• 1:20:49
  Yeah. But if we can get him on the
• 1:20:50
  podcast, we'll take him. We'll take him, OK?
• 1:20:54
  In the Women's football World Cup qualification, which team
• 1:20:57
  did Ireland beat? It was actually last night.
• 1:21:00
  Probably not now when this goes out, but which team did Ireland
• 1:21:03
  beat last night? 3/2 Was it a Poland, B Scotland,
• 1:21:08
  C Italy or D Serbia? So I am no offense to the anyone
• 1:21:15
  from the nation. I'm kind of hopeful just for the
• 1:21:17
  comedic value that it's Italy because Italy didn't qualify for
• 1:21:20
  the We Lost in Italy. I'm going to lock Italy.
• 1:21:23
  It was Poland AR I didn't watch it but reading about it
• 1:21:26
  apparently it was a good good old game 32.
• 1:21:28
  The highlights. All right, Justin Bieber topical
• 1:21:34
  has broken the Internet with his recent recent Coachella
• 1:21:37
  performance, which is like. The fact that he's broken the
• 1:21:41
  Internet is by doing what he did, which was essentially just
• 1:21:44
  using the. Internet.
• 1:21:46
  Wow. Yeah, there's levels, but more
• 1:21:50
  importantly, what is Justin Bieber's golf handicap?
• 1:21:55
  Is it official? From what I can see on the
• 1:21:58
  Internet. I'm assuming I'm not getting
• 1:21:59
  options. No options.
• 1:22:00
  OK, I think Justin Bieber probably does play golf.
• 1:22:04
  I reckon he's not. I can't believe that you didn't
• 1:22:06
  know Justin Bieber played golf. He is my true icon idol.
• 1:22:11
  I'm. Going to go ahead and say he's
• 1:22:13
  probably pretty good. Like dudes had money for a
• 1:22:16
  while, there's no reason to not be good.
• 1:22:19
  That's such a. Good way of looking at it like.
• 1:22:22
  I reckon he plays A4. Really.
• 1:22:25
  Yeah. Oh my God.
• 1:22:27
  No way you're giving him that much credit.
• 1:22:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. 10.2. Still, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:33
  He's a good ice hockey player. So I'm like, there must be some
• 1:22:35
  sort of like medium. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:37
  Connective energy. All right, Australian, here we
• 1:22:41
  go. This is super topical because
• 1:22:42
  this is awesome. Australian 18 year old Gout Gout
• 1:22:47
  has run faster than Usain Bolt when he was running 200 meters
• 1:22:52
  when he was 18. All right, now, if Gout Gout had
• 1:22:57
  run this time, I think it was the Australian nationals, if
• 1:23:00
  he'd run this time in Paris Olympics, he would have got the
• 1:23:03
  bronze medal. So that's how fast and he's
• 1:23:06
  1818. But how fast did he run?
• 1:23:10
  You've got options, don't worry. I think I actually know it.
• 1:23:13
  A is 19.67, B is 19.87, C is 20.67, and D is 20.87.
• 1:23:25
  I think we're too old for that. We are definitely too old.
• 1:23:28
  I'm definitely too old. It was I believe.
• 1:23:32
  Sorry. What was the the lowest 2?
• 1:23:34
  So 19.67. I'm not going to do it again.
• 1:23:37
  1967 and then 1987. So.
• 1:23:45
  Here we go. I know the answer is 19.67
• 1:23:49
  because I know that he beat. Thank you.
• 1:23:51
  I know that he beat Usain Bolt, Yeah, by .2 of a second.
• 1:23:55
  And the former record for under 20 to under 20 was 19.87.
• 1:24:01
  That's good. I like that you have that
• 1:24:02
  knowledge. Am I wrong?
• 1:24:04
  No, but I think bolt run. What did you say?
• 1:24:08
  He ran 19.87 as when he had the record.
• 1:24:11
  I've got it written down as 19930 in 2004.
• 1:24:14
  OK, I've read. Somewhere the point.
• 1:24:16
  Yeah, Yeah, whatever. We'll make it work.
• 1:24:18
  You got it right. Well done, Ice.
• 1:24:20
  Who wore I loved this? Who wore the most expensive
• 1:24:24
  watch at the 2026 Masters? What a question.
• 1:24:29
  I'm a watch guy now. We should do a watch segment on
• 1:24:33
  the podcast, no? Unless it's sponsored so there
• 1:24:38
  are any. Sponsors, we get Rolex
• 1:24:40
  sponsorship. No.
• 1:24:42
  Garmin. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:43
  We go straight. So I it's so niche.
• 1:24:49
  It's going to be someone that's just like, kind of stylish more
• 1:24:52
  than anything else, but I can't. Really The thing is if you new
• 1:24:57
  watches instantly you're talking this guy really because he has
• 1:25:01
  like his own watch collab with. His brand, I didn't know that
• 1:25:05
  and therefore. Like lots of the golfers have a
• 1:25:07
  general watch sponsor. But I don't even know if this
• 1:25:09
  guy was part of it. He just comes across the kind of
• 1:25:12
  guy that might wear a watch that's expensive instead of
• 1:25:14
  playing good golf. Brooks Kepka.
• 1:25:16
  Oh, nice shout. No, you started with a really
• 1:25:20
  good letter. Do you want another guess?
• 1:25:22
  Was it Bryce in the chambo? No.
• 1:25:24
  Oh, OK, no. It was Bubba Watson, now he's
• 1:25:29
  got a collab watch with Richard Mill.
• 1:25:32
  It's the RM-308-O2. It's just this crazy looking
• 1:25:35
  watch which is designed to like, withstand the impacts of him
• 1:25:39
  hitting the ball at 120 miles an hour.
• 1:25:41
  Basically. Do you want to guess how much
• 1:25:43
  his watch costs? First of all, that is a gimmick.
• 1:25:46
  Second of all. It's not as incredible.
• 1:25:51
  How much that watch cost? I'm going to go ahead and say
• 1:25:54
  something absurd. Then you should for a watch a
• 1:25:58
  time keeping peace 35 grand way higher in. 2.5 to 3,000,000
• 1:26:08
  Estimated there's only 50 pieces ever made.
• 1:26:12
  Vori could only just about buy. That's The thing is he probably
• 1:26:16
  couldn't even buy it because there's not enough available.
• 1:26:19
  That's so wild how Honestly I could ask Siri what the time is.
• 1:26:23
  I don't need that on my watch. Incredible, incredible.
• 1:26:27
  When I say it to you with no appreciation of watches
• 1:26:31
  whatsoever, you'll be like that is the ugliest watch I've ever
• 1:26:34
  seen. This is an inside joke.
• 1:26:35
  I'm going to insert the picture of the watch here.
• 1:26:38
  Apparently I didn't insert a photo last episode.
• 1:26:41
  Shame, shame. OK, let's keep moving.
• 1:26:44
  In 2019, Loughborough University yes lost to the Coventry
• 1:26:49
  University Jets despite Angus Cook having a great game.
• 1:26:54
  The Jets went on to win, but what was the final score just
• 1:27:01
  for? Clarification.
• 1:27:01
  Let's go Jets. We played them three times that
• 1:27:05
  season. Do you know which game this was?
• 1:27:07
  The video was uploaded in March. That's.
• 1:27:10
  All I can give you so we lost. I was on.
• 1:27:13
  I only happened we we beat them once, very convincingly.
• 1:27:17
  What? Was the the page I was on?
• 1:27:19
  It was like so hurdles huddle or.
• 1:27:22
  Huddle yeah, it it will have either have been 8 nil, which
• 1:27:26
  was the first time we played them.
• 1:27:29
  They scored a touchdown and they scored a 2 point conversion on
• 1:27:33
  that touchdown because they couldn't kick.
• 1:27:34
  So they just had a quarterback, Marcus, when we listened to
• 1:27:37
  this, but guy was like 6 foot 4 weigh 110 kilos of pure muscle.
• 1:27:42
  Just that's what we had. That was him.
• 1:27:45
  So he scored. Similar to love for them.
• 1:27:47
  Yeah, I wish the next time we lost against them was a way
• 1:27:53
  better game, but I feel like the scoreline didn't reflect it by
• 1:27:55
  the end of the game. I'm going to come back to this.
• 1:27:58
  I think it was like 28 to like 16 something.
• 1:28:05
  You've been very generous to the love for university.
• 1:28:08
  Really. 31 Seven. OK, yeah, that absolutely did
• 1:28:12
  not do the game justice. We lost.
• 1:28:14
  It looks on paper like it was a hammering.
• 1:28:17
  It was a very frustrating game to be part of and it was my last
• 1:28:19
  ever game for the team. Oh, that's a shame.
• 1:28:21
  Yeah, I don't know if there's going to be a Netflix
• 1:28:23
  documentary about. That, but it's not.
• 1:28:25
  I could make my own, maybe. I've got the, I've got the
• 1:28:27
  tools. I just need to, I'm sure we crew
• 1:28:29
  go and interview and old coaches.
• 1:28:33
  Let's keep this thing rolling because we've got a few more
• 1:28:35
  questions, sorry. So back to women's football and
• 1:28:38
  again World Cup qualification. England beat Spain, which we
• 1:28:41
  previously spoke about. One nil, one nil.
• 1:28:44
  But how long did it take the girls to score?
• 1:28:47
  Was it a one minute, B2 minutes, C3 minutes or D4 minutes?
• 1:28:57
  I don't want to go B again. Let's go D4 minutes, C3 minutes,
• 1:29:12
  OK? Holes 1112 and 13 at Augusta
• 1:29:15
  National are often referred to as what name?
• 1:29:20
  Come on man, I've watched so many hours of golf this weekend.
• 1:29:24
  Carl, if I honestly. You know it.
• 1:29:27
  If I could spend everything this podcast ever makes on the
• 1:29:30
  potential to be able to play those three holes, I would.
• 1:29:33
  Really. With you.
• 1:29:35
  I'm too scared. No, I really want to do it.
• 1:29:40
  What are they called? Is it?
• 1:29:42
  Is it something corner? It is.
• 1:29:44
  Come on. Is it Champions Corner?
• 1:29:48
  I hate it. You've got another guess.
• 1:29:52
  Champions corner, I think, I thought.
• 1:29:55
  I didn't know if it was Championship or Champions Corner
• 1:29:57
  or. Neither are good.
• 1:30:00
  It's not Captain's Corner. That's very Golf Club though,
• 1:30:03
  Captain. 'S corner.
• 1:30:05
  It sounds like a like a like a serial or something.
• 1:30:09
  Oh, what is it? I don't know if you're going to.
• 1:30:20
  I don't think I'm going to. Get it?
• 1:30:22
  Amen Corner. Oh, of course.
• 1:30:24
  Captain's Corner, Me. I'm honestly impressed that I
• 1:30:27
  remembered it was anything. Corner, Yeah, we'll take that.
• 1:30:30
  How many million UK viewers did the Fury fight have on Netflix
• 1:30:34
  last weekend on the podcast? Yeah, it's actually similar.
• 1:30:37
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how many million UK viewers
• 1:30:42
  did the Fury fight have? We didn't add into the news.
• 1:30:45
  Do you know who won? Fury?
• 1:30:47
  Oh, welcome. Back I said that with
• 1:30:49
  confidence. I'm 50% sure it was.
• 1:30:51
  Well, there are 51%. Don't wait.
• 1:30:53
  Is there no multiple choice on this?
• 1:30:54
  No. Crazy.
• 1:30:56
  Yeah, crazy. This could go one of one of two
• 1:30:59
  ways 4. Million. 5 million fine.
• 1:31:02
  Yeah. That was a great guess.
• 1:31:05
  I think like pay-per-view overall was like really high on
• 1:31:09
  that. Yeah, I'm not.
• 1:31:09
  Surprised. Really high.
• 1:31:11
  OK, let's keep things rolling. Shane Lowry made an ace hole in
• 1:31:14
  one he did at the par three 6th. Do you know what the official
• 1:31:19
  name of the 6th hole is at Augusta National?
• 1:31:22
  If I didn't even know Champions Corner.
• 1:31:24
  I just they're they're all named after I think flowers or trees
• 1:31:29
  or something like. That geranium.
• 1:31:35
  God, you're going close. Juniper when he went, If you'd
• 1:31:41
  got that as a guest, that would be Mod.
• 1:31:42
  And back to women's football. Kiera Walsh is, I don't know if
• 1:31:49
  it's Kiera or Kiera. Kiera Walsh, let's go with that,
• 1:31:52
  became the 15th English player to play 100 times for the
• 1:31:58
  Lionesses when they played at Wembley on Tuesday against
• 1:32:01
  Spain. Pharah Williams, however, is
• 1:32:04
  England's highest capped player. How many caps has she received
• 1:32:09
  playing for her country? Is it A123BA172CA/194 or DA156?
• 1:32:22
  I'm liking the sound of DA156. Is BA172.
• 1:32:28
  Do you know how many caps the most English men's football
• 1:32:33
  player has ever received if she's on 172?
• 1:32:39
  It's got to be above 200, maybe even approaching 300.
• 1:32:44
  If not above that. I'm going to say 302 A. 125,
• 1:32:50
  really, she's got like 50 or more cap cinemas and it's a
• 1:32:53
  goalkeeper, Peter Shilton. There you go.
• 1:32:57
  So we're on to the last question, OK?
• 1:33:00
  Let's lock in. Let's go back to golf.
• 1:33:02
  Finish with a bang. Now we do our best on the
• 1:33:05
  Mindsets podcast to stay well clear of talking about politics.
• 1:33:09
  Yeah, do our best. We do our best but just not very
• 1:33:12
  good at. It Donald Trump seems to be
• 1:33:14
  keeping everyone on his toes at the moment.
• 1:33:15
  Yes, he does. Arguably, arguably more
• 1:33:19
  important is his golf handicap. Tell me about it.
• 1:33:24
  What is Donald Trump's golf handicap officially?
• 1:33:31
  Is it a handicap if you're a paedophile?
• 1:33:40
  We're going to get assassinated. You know what it's it has to be
• 1:33:45
  one of us at this point. If it's not going to be him, it
• 1:33:48
  might the. U.S. government is watching this
• 1:33:50
  assassinate him. I didn't say it.
• 1:33:53
  If you ask Kim Jong Un what his handicap is, I reckon it's
• 1:33:57
  scratch. I reckon Donald Trump isn't far
• 1:33:59
  off from having the same mentality.
• 1:34:00
  Nice. So I'm going to go ahead and say
• 1:34:02
  that Donald Trump's official handicap must be something in
• 1:34:07
  the order of 5.4. Come on, his ego is bigger than
• 1:34:14
  that. Really.
• 1:34:15
  Yeah, he's off for 2.8. Nice mate.
• 1:34:18
  No one in the world believes you.
• 1:34:20
  Not a single soul. There is no way, not a single
• 1:34:26
  soul, zero chance that a man of that athletic calibre is playing
• 1:34:32
  to that level. And you know what?
• 1:34:35
  If the US government is watching this I'll 1V1U and I haven't
• 1:34:39
  played in a year and I reckon I'll win at your own course home
• 1:34:43
  turf. God, that's a big claim.
• 1:34:46
  A big claim. Shots are fired, but there'll be
• 1:34:49
  I, I don't want to, I don't want to get assassinated.
• 1:34:54
  I'm I think he would, absolutely.
• 1:34:56
  Just dominate you. I'd love to see it.
• 1:34:59
  I just there will be like manipulation of where the ball
• 1:35:02
  lands and like, yeah, his bodyguards would be like he
• 1:35:05
  looks over there into. The trees and it'll be in the
• 1:35:07
  hole. Literally.
• 1:35:09
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:35:09
  On his own court. You're telling me that he
• 1:35:11
  doesn't just have an automatic ball in the hole button?
• 1:35:13
  Of course he is, Yeah. Wow, that was the last question
• 1:35:18
  I lost. I lost count there.
• 1:35:19
  There was lots of convert. That was probably the longest
• 1:35:21
  quiz we've ever done. Yeah, there is one more thing
• 1:35:23
  that we need to do as well. For those of you that are
• 1:35:25
  interested in hierarchs, it is the weekend, the the week that
• 1:35:28
  we are recording. We have the the final major of
• 1:35:31
  the hierarchy season coming up. So it's out in Poland, in
• 1:35:34
  Warsaw. I'm fortunate enough again that
• 1:35:36
  I've got the opportunity to go. So I'll be watching this live,
• 1:35:40
  which means that we have got some predictions to make.
• 1:35:43
  Now. We're mainly worried about what
• 1:35:46
  we think is going to happen in the singles race because there's
• 1:35:49
  a lot of odd double S entries that aren't necessarily partners
• 1:35:53
  for world champs if they've already qualified, that kind of
• 1:35:55
  thing going on. In the double S we might give a
• 1:35:57
  couple of the honourable mentions as to who we think will
• 1:35:59
  probably win anyway, but in the singles, who do you think is
• 1:36:05
  going to be taking it on? So we.
• 1:36:07
  Go Men's. 1st, if we go well, let's go women's first because
• 1:36:10
  they're races first. So qualified just for reference,
• 1:36:15
  because most of the top athletes have qualified if they are
• 1:36:17
  racing at this point is Lauren Weeks, Linda Meyer, Joanna
• 1:36:20
  Vietrick, Sinead Ben, Lucy Proctor and Vivian Deputo.
• 1:36:25
  They've qualified with Secca Arning and Lena Potters, which
• 1:36:29
  means that there are, I mean there there are 7 people racing
• 1:36:33
  that have not yet qualified. There will be 3 spots up the
• 1:36:36
  grabs. Are you asking me who I think
• 1:36:38
  out of the people who haven't qualified are going to qualify
• 1:36:40
  or who you think I think is going to win?
• 1:36:42
  I I want to know who you think is going to win, and I want to
• 1:36:46
  know who one person who you think is going to qualify.
• 1:36:50
  My depth of knowledge of all high rocks athletes is very
• 1:36:54
  limited, probably to the people who have qualified.
• 1:36:58
  So I'm going to I have to back of a Brit, so I'd like to see
• 1:37:03
  Sinead win it. OK.
• 1:37:06
  I think it's going to be tough when Joanne is also racing.
• 1:37:08
  Like that's always just the case when Joanna's racing.
• 1:37:11
  Also, Long Weeks will be super strong.
• 1:37:13
  I'd love to see Lucy do well as well.
• 1:37:15
  Lucy Proctor. But yeah, I'm going to put my my
• 1:37:17
  money on on Sinead winning. And then I want Chloe Cook to
• 1:37:22
  get a qualifying spot because she shares the same surname as
• 1:37:25
  you. Oh, that's key.
• 1:37:26
  We're not related. Mate reach out.
• 1:37:30
  You could do a double s together.
• 1:37:31
  She could carry you're out of double s.
• 1:37:32
  With someone with my surname. Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:36
  So I I'm going to stick to the guns.
• 1:37:38
  I think Joanna Betrich's going to win.
• 1:37:40
  The only way that I see her not winning is if for some reason
• 1:37:42
  she has to pull out. And I don't know why she would.
• 1:37:45
  For me, qualifying spot, I think.
• 1:37:48
  Not that it is obvious because things can happen on the day.
• 1:37:50
  I think Emily Darman after her performance in the EMEA regional
• 1:37:54
  and she has a slightly better race for herself and won't
• 1:37:58
  really go into that, but I'm hoping that she puts it all
• 1:38:00
  together and she gets that spot that she has been working so
• 1:38:03
  hard for now on the men's race. Tim.
• 1:38:08
  I think this is tough because the the lineup's pretty stacked.
• 1:38:12
  So again, if we just go through who's qualified, we've got Tim
• 1:38:14
  Viennesh, we've got Alexander Ronchvich, we've got Dylan
• 1:38:17
  Scott, Sean Noble, Thomas Verdict and Cole Learn.
• 1:38:21
  They have qualified as well as Charlie Bottrell, which means
• 1:38:24
  that we've got eight people that are racing that could qualify
• 1:38:28
  from who are you thinking is going to take the win and who do
• 1:38:31
  you? Think, do you know what?
• 1:38:31
  Now I've I've like, I've just gone straight for Tim.
• 1:38:34
  Obviously he raced with Ronkovich in London in the
• 1:38:38
  Double S and set the world record right.
• 1:38:40
  Ronkovich is like, I'm rival good.
• 1:38:43
  I just think Tim's currently untouchable, a little bit like
• 1:38:46
  Joanna. So I'm going to say Tim's going
• 1:38:49
  to win. He's going to be pushed hard
• 1:38:51
  though by Charlie Bottaro the whole way.
• 1:38:53
  My guy is going to have a good race manifesting, who's going to
• 1:38:57
  take and then a qualifying spot. Do you know, just because I
• 1:39:01
  think he's the GOAT? Graham Halliday.
• 1:39:04
  Let's go. Why not?
• 1:39:05
  Where has Luke already qualified?
• 1:39:07
  No, do you know what? That's actually maybe a more
• 1:39:10
  sensible shot with his running. I'm going.
• 1:39:13
  I'll, I'll go. Luke Grier.
• 1:39:14
  I think Ronkovich is going to take the win really and I think
• 1:39:18
  it will be a shootout between Dylan Scott, Ronkovich and
• 1:39:22
  Vienna till the end and I think Ronkovich will finish strong on
• 1:39:24
  the Warbles. I think the Luke Grier probably
• 1:39:27
  will take the top qualification spot.
• 1:39:30
  Because there's also three for men.
• 1:39:31
  I foresee because of the fact that this is the last major of
• 1:39:36
  the season with the women, less so because there's a few new
• 1:39:39
  entrants to the Elite 15 race there.
• 1:39:41
  There are some guys here that have been at every single major
• 1:39:45
  and haven't qualified. I think there's going to be some
• 1:39:47
  drama with penalties and I don't think it's going to be like the
• 1:39:50
  NBA where there was some questionable penalties.
• 1:39:52
  I think there are going to be some clinical errors.
• 1:39:55
  Because people are right on the edge.
• 1:39:57
  Yeah. So if I could be in the ear of
• 1:39:58
  anybody that's trying to qualify this week, I'd be like, just be
• 1:40:02
  clean, be fast, but be clean accuracy.
• 1:40:05
  I'd say also this would be if you've never watched any high
• 1:40:08
  rocks or you're maybe new to high rocks completely.
• 1:40:11
  If you want to get a flavour for what it's like watching the
• 1:40:14
  elites race, this would be such a.
• 1:40:15
  Good free on YouTube. Yeah, it's free on YouTube, like
• 1:40:18
  the Mindsets podcast. I was going to say like
• 1:40:19
  subscribing to the mindsets podcast cost you 0 pennies.
• 1:40:22
  But yeah, go and watch it be unreal.
• 1:40:25
  For the double S, we said we were going to mention Tim Vienna
• 1:40:27
  Shenalis on the Rontrovich have the world record.
• 1:40:29
  They're racing. I think it's pretty clear cut
• 1:40:31
  they're probably going to win. Don't think there's many others
• 1:40:34
  that are worth talking about there.
• 1:40:35
  One thing that is interesting, Jay Dearden and Charlie Boschel
• 1:40:39
  are racing in that race together.
• 1:40:40
  First time they've done an elite race.
• 1:40:42
  Oh awesome, so they look. Forward to see that.
• 1:40:44
  See how that goes the in the women's Saskia and and Holly.
• 1:40:49
  Yes, I want them to so. Saskia and Holly we saw go out
• 1:40:52
  in the EMEA and unfortunately got pulled back by penalties.
• 1:40:56
  So again, that's where I'm saying be clean but be fast.
• 1:41:00
  And I think they could possibly qualify.
• 1:41:02
  Hopefully they've learnt from that.
• 1:41:03
  Yeah, I think. Again, Saskia's after after we
• 1:41:06
  recorded and put that podcast out, we I think we like, we were
• 1:41:11
  talking about some athletes maybe just sticking to double s
• 1:41:14
  and being that, that being their specialist.
• 1:41:15
  But then she went on 57. Oh my God, she's going to be, I,
• 1:41:20
  I, I tell you now she's going to be the best high rocks athlete
• 1:41:23
  in the world, I reckon. Why not?
• 1:41:25
  OK, well we'll see because I there's an outside chance she's
• 1:41:28
  actually racing a pro outside of the elites because she hasn't
• 1:41:31
  qualified for the elites. There's, I mean, B7, it's quick,
• 1:41:35
  there's not many girls who've run that.
• 1:41:36
  No, I think she might be the only girl other than yeah, which
• 1:41:40
  by the way, Joanna Vietrick is not racing in the double s,
• 1:41:43
  which means that I think it's probably a deadlock win wise
• 1:41:46
  that Lauren Weeks and Vivian Desfito take the win again.
• 1:41:49
  The only other double s that I will mention that I hope to Lord
• 1:41:53
  get the qualification spot after last time is Charlie Sterling.
• 1:41:56
  Lawrence Stockley, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:59
  I hope they get on the opportunity of it and we can see
• 1:42:03
  both British teams. They'll be going for it as well.
• 1:42:07
  They'll they'll have learnt for sure from from the issues they
• 1:42:10
  had in London where they got mealized.
• 1:42:11
  But yeah, you got to love them. What I actually really love is
• 1:42:15
  there's so many good British competitors on, on both sides,
• 1:42:19
  on the men's and the women's. So it's like it's you got a
• 1:42:22
  back, you got a back the homegrown.
• 1:42:24
  So hopefully they will have good races.
• 1:42:26
  Yeah. Well, that brings us to an end
• 1:42:28
  of this episode. This, as far as I'm aware, if
• 1:42:31
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• 1:42:34
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• 1:42:36
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• 1:42:46
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• 1:42:49
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• 1:42:52
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