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Unlocking the Power of Breath Work with Barney Mercer · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

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  Speaker 1: Barnie Mercer, Welcome to the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So me. We're going to talk a lot about breath
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  Speaker 1: work and a few other things, and you are an
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  Speaker 1: awesome breathwork facilitator. I've been to a few of your
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  Speaker 1: breathwork classes. Yeah, one of them, I, as you remember,
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  Speaker 1: brought my now fifteen year old Oscar to it. And
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  Speaker 1: now Oscar, some of the listeners will be a were
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  Speaker 1: He got diagnosed with Cushing's disease a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 1: which is a pretty fucking horrible disease that's basically a
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  Speaker 1: tumor on the peture tree that causes the hyper secretion
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  Speaker 1: of cortisol for like ridiculous amounts for long periods of time.
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  Speaker 1: Does a number of things. Makes you gain weight. Really
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  Speaker 1: it starts attacking your organs, but destroys your mental health.
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  Speaker 1: And anyway, he got that resolved, and we were trying
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  Speaker 1: to get some mental health support with him, and he
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  Speaker 1: had a really bad experience with a fucking awful psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually took him to a breath work session
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  Speaker 1: with you, and we were talking about mental health the
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  Speaker 1: other day and just randomly, it was a conversation at
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  Speaker 1: the dinner table and Oscar went he said, if I
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  Speaker 1: ever have any mental health problems again in my life,
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  Speaker 1: no way am I going to see a psychiatrist or
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  Speaker 1: a psychologist. I'm going to take myself along to Barney's
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  Speaker 1: breathwork session because Oscar said that after your session, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell the story. You may or may not remember this,
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  Speaker 1: but we were lying down going through the whole breathwork thing.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody in the room started sort of crying slash wheeling
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, and Oscar said to me afterwards, he
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  Speaker 1: was landing there breathing away, and he was like, Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: what is that person doing? Why are they crying? You
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  Speaker 1: know that's weak. And then all of a sudden he
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  Speaker 1: started crying uncontrollably, just out of nowhere. He had no
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  Speaker 1: idea what was going on, and he wasn't upset, but
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  Speaker 1: he just said that it just afterwards, he said it
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  Speaker 1: felt like his body needed to do it. But he
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  Speaker 1: noticed afterwards, and it wasn't for a couple of months
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  Speaker 1: that he was talking about his cushions that came up
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  Speaker 1: and he said, Jesus, I've not noticed that I can
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  Speaker 1: talk about my cushings without getting upset, because every other
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  Speaker 1: time previously he had talked about his cushions disease. He
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  Speaker 1: started to tear up because obviously there was so much
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  Speaker 1: emotion there and now he can just talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: He says, it's almost like it happened to somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: That's really cool. That's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: Foreback, I love it, Like when your when your wife
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  Speaker 3: sent me that message, I was like, I was. I
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  Speaker 3: actually had a bit of a cry myself, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, that's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: I remember.
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  Speaker 3: I actually remember that day really really vividly, because you
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  Speaker 3: completely threw me under the bus because you booked He
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  Speaker 3: booked four tickets and you made you You showed me
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  Speaker 3: a hole in my system because I didn't know that
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  Speaker 3: you were a fourteen year old. Ah, that's literally the
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  Speaker 3: limit of the age limit that I go in those
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  Speaker 3: big group sessions. That's the youngest I'll do. Oh there's
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  Speaker 3: a there's a young lad here. I didn't any other backstory,
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  Speaker 3: and I didn't know anything about it. It was really
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  Speaker 3: cool to watch him go through. And I remember one
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  Speaker 3: point he had his eyes were wide open. Yes, I
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  Speaker 3: just checked in. I just did that.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing from him like.
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  Speaker 1: No one, Yeah, okay, cool, he's here to be asterwards.
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  Speaker 1: He says, Oh shit, were you supposed to close your eyes?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't realize he did have them closed it at
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  Speaker 3: one point, and then I came back and they were wide,
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  Speaker 3: and then I came back again the floodgates. It was
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  Speaker 3: not what I was expecting at all, because generally with
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  Speaker 3: teenagers they tend to sit rather than fully participate, at
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  Speaker 3: least for the first one. You know, it's that sort
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  Speaker 3: of weird room full of adults being generally kind of weird,
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  Speaker 3: lying on the floor and breathing him, and it's quite
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  Speaker 3: overwhelm quite overwhelming for young people to actually experience. So
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  Speaker 3: for him to go through it in the manner that
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  Speaker 3: he did was crazy. And then when he started, when
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  Speaker 3: he started crying that just leave me alone.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't go through.
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  Speaker 1: No. I have subsequently taken a me out there who's
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  Speaker 1: gone through a messy divorce and he had a bit
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  Speaker 1: of an emotional breakthrough. I have done some previous breath
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  Speaker 1: work sessions with Oh fucking hell No, this was years ago.
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  Speaker 1: What's his name? He he's the guy taught Tony Robbins
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  Speaker 1: how to breathe. He's a very famous America's been doing
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  Speaker 1: breath work for ages and we did holotropic breathing, which
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  Speaker 1: was similar to the stuff that we did with you,
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  Speaker 1: but it's slightly different. And when we did it for
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  Speaker 1: like fifty five minutes or our solid and it was bonkers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: somebody remembered their birth, said they actually remembered their birth.
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  Speaker 1: There were people fucking wheeling in the room. Look, I'm
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  Speaker 1: quite lucky and that I don't have much baggage, or
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I really have any bag. So I've
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  Speaker 1: never felt anything in those breath work sessions. But I
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  Speaker 1: tell you what I felt like. I was absolutely off
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  Speaker 1: my chops on trucks, right and so. But but there's
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  Speaker 1: there's clearly, because I started thinking about the whole physiology thing,
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  Speaker 1: there's clearly an impact on neurotransmitters. Right with that type
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  Speaker 1: of breathing, they changes in carbon dioxide and oxygen levels,
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  Speaker 1: and definitely there's something going on with neural transmitters, because
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you I've not felt like that without
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  Speaker 1: some chemical assistance. Right.
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  Speaker 3: It's that full sort of altered state. It's that sort
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  Speaker 3: of release, yes and all that sort of thing. And
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  Speaker 3: a good good friend of mine does a whole a
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  Speaker 3: whole workshop on he calls it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh what he calls it?
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  Speaker 3: He implies that everyone's going to get mushroom. It's the
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  Speaker 3: whole thing is that you don't need the mushrooms, You
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  Speaker 3: just need the breathing.
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  Speaker 1: Because I remember saying reading that that type of breathing
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  Speaker 1: can release d MT. So d m T for the
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  Speaker 1: for the listeners to two times in your life. The
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  Speaker 1: d MT is released in massive amounts, once at birth
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  Speaker 1: and months at death. And they believe that the d
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  Speaker 1: m T actually is there is that whole journey in
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  Speaker 1: to the light, is the d MT going off. I
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  Speaker 1: have had d.
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  Speaker 2: M T.
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  Speaker 1: Through ayahuasca, So the aahwuasca blend in the Amazon includes
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  Speaker 1: d MT and it's a very potent, very potent to lucinogen.
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  Speaker 1: So other than the d MT, like physiologically, what's going on? Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I think we need to take a step back and
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  Speaker 1: introduce me. Introduce you, not me, that's my podcast, probably
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  Speaker 1: introduce you, right, So, so party to tell people how
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  Speaker 1: you found your way to breath work and all of
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  Speaker 1: the accessory stuff that you currently.
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  Speaker 2: Do not have.
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  Speaker 1: You got man plenty of time.
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  Speaker 3: Basically I found my way to breath work. I was
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  Speaker 3: in a hell of a mess. Surviving life I was in.
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  Speaker 3: I was working hard, producing children, keeping their roof over
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  Speaker 3: the house, all that sort of stuff, and drinking way
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  Speaker 3: too much as people is not something I hide, and
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  Speaker 3: I started to find myself getting drawn towards meditation, things
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  Speaker 3: like sound heat. I knew something needed to be done
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  Speaker 3: that I wasn't doing. I'm a personal trainer as well.
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  Speaker 3: I was learning about breathing in the gym, like how
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  Speaker 3: to connect to my make my muscle connections with different
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  Speaker 3: breath patterns, creating a sympathetic response a specific muscle through
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  Speaker 3: breath patterns and movement.
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  Speaker 2: All this sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Basically just also leaning into the anxiety depression side of things,
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  Speaker 3: so rather than just go to the gym it will
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  Speaker 3: help your mental health. We were really sort of deep
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  Speaker 3: diving into the rabbit hole of well, how do we
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  Speaker 3: actually do that? And then they were making us do
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  Speaker 3: workouts like breathe only through your nose for the whole workout,
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  Speaker 3: crazy crazy CrossFit workouts with mouth shut blowing snot all
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  Speaker 3: over the place, or just like an hour on a rower,
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  Speaker 3: like don't do anything but row for an hour, you
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  Speaker 3: breathing through your nose. I can talk about that for
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  Speaker 3: hours because it's really really cool and really beneficial. Then
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  Speaker 3: my I think it was my mayo therapist. We were
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  Speaker 3: talking about all this sort of stuff. She says, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: there's some two doors down, there's a place and they're
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  Speaker 3: putting on a breathwork thing.
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  Speaker 2: You should go. And I was like, yeah, cool them up,
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  Speaker 2: and I went along full of resistance.
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  Speaker 3: It was that bring the yoga mat, bring a water bottle,
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  Speaker 3: bring a blanket, bring a pillow, bring a journal.
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  Speaker 2: Or bring all these things. And I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: I was so full of resistance.
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  Speaker 3: I just rocked up with my water bottle to the
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  Speaker 3: point where there weren't any spare mats, so I had
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  Speaker 3: to lie on.
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  Speaker 1: The hardwood floor, you know, not lesson quick.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just had I just had to find a
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  Speaker 3: space of die down. And it was it was like
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  Speaker 3: thirty people in the room. This lady, she was beautiful,
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  Speaker 3: she just said. But the elation was real brief. It
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  Speaker 3: was like breathing here through your mouth, breathing here in
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  Speaker 3: the same breath and breathe out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: Okay cool. And I I didn't really understand what it
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  Speaker 3: was for or what was going on. But I like
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  Speaker 3: a challenge and I like to push myself in anything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so she goes right breathe like as hard as you
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  Speaker 3: can for forty five minutes. So if we went, we
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  Speaker 3: all started in rhythm and then everyone often it's different
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  Speaker 3: than what have you, So there was no real sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of leading from her.
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  Speaker 3: It was more gentle guidance from around the edges, which
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  Speaker 3: was cool. So there's more of your holotropic breath. And
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  Speaker 3: like a half hour in, I just felt so so
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  Speaker 3: at peace, so rested, so rest and then just this
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  Speaker 3: sensation started at my tues and then just whipped through
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  Speaker 3: my body out the top of my head, like a
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  Speaker 3: full tingling sensation. It was kind of panicky, kind of weird,
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  Speaker 3: and I just started crying. I didn't stop, and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't want it to stop. I was I didn't feel sad.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have any sort of visual representation of what
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  Speaker 3: I was crying. I was just letting it all out.
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  Speaker 3: It was literally like the bottle was someone had shaken
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  Speaker 3: up the bottle, you know, the fizzy bottle was so
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  Speaker 3: desperate to leak something out, and the breath worker just
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  Speaker 3: loosened the lid that little bit and now it's all
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  Speaker 3: escaping out the side. And that's what it was, and
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  Speaker 3: I was just and then eventually maybe it felt like
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  Speaker 3: an hour I went past, but it was probably only
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  Speaker 3: like five ten minutes. And then we went into the
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  Speaker 3: more shabaster end of it. And then I, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: I was colors and tripping just so peacefully relaxed. And
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  Speaker 3: then it was peel yourself off the floor and get
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  Speaker 3: to little groups of three and talk about what just happened.
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  Speaker 3: I literally in the pool of sweat on the floor
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  Speaker 3: and I couldn't explain what had gone on.
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  Speaker 2: Got home, my wife says to me, She goes, oh,
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  Speaker 2: what was that all about? So I really don't know.
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  Speaker 3: We just lay on the floor and I breathed hard
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  Speaker 3: and I cried it a lot. She said, how do
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  Speaker 3: you feel? I felt amazing, and I could you know.
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  Speaker 3: I was standing up to all and my ribcage felt
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  Speaker 3: like I could get more in and all this sort
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  Speaker 3: of stuff. But I felt more at peace and more
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  Speaker 3: calm than I had done in years. And it was
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  Speaker 3: that day, that moment, as I was walking out, I
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  Speaker 3: remember walking towards the door thinking I found the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I found the thing that will allow me to express myself,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, growing up in in England or in
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  Speaker 3: a boarding school.
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  Speaker 2: The way we did.
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  Speaker 3: It was very much, don't do that, don't feel that,
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  Speaker 3: don't express that. Be happy, don't be sad, don't be
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  Speaker 3: too excited, don't be too over the top, be homesick,
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  Speaker 3: miss your parents, all these things. Don't be pissed off
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  Speaker 3: because someone's just beating you up or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 3: So for the rest of my life, I kept all
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  Speaker 3: that in and on that day, like I said, we
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  Speaker 3: just loosened off the liddle a little bit, but we
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  Speaker 3: let the pressure off it just I could feel it
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  Speaker 3: in here.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I never really understood what people meant when they said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: creating space. I literally felt like I'd let some shit
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  Speaker 3: out and I'd created space for me, for myself to
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  Speaker 3: be more present within my body. And then I took
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  Speaker 3: that and when I went back to the gym and
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  Speaker 3: I started to actually feel my body way more, my
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  Speaker 3: injuries started to go away, all these other things, and
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  Speaker 3: like I went every week, I was like, breath works
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  Speaker 3: my thing. This is how I went. Next thing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'd already sobered up by this point. But the next thing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like that wasn't con I wasn't interested in
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  Speaker 3: the way shape or form. I was like, I found
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  Speaker 3: the thing because I always felt like I was going
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  Speaker 3: two steps forward, eight steps back, and now I was like,
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  Speaker 3: just that's where I'm And then yeah, I'm just messing
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  Speaker 3: about online as you do. And there's this big advert
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  Speaker 3: come up with these guys standing on the top of
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  Speaker 3: a mountain with their shirts off in the snow.
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  Speaker 2: Go do that. And I went there purely ego.
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  Speaker 1: Driven vim half by any chance, No.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't wim half.
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  Speaker 3: It was one of his one of his first ever
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  Speaker 3: instructor actually, a guy called Johannah's Eggberts.
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  Speaker 1: Johanna's. Yeah, I know, Hannah. I I did some stuff
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  Speaker 1: for p w C and your Hannas.
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  Speaker 2: That was last year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Johannes was taking the breath work and the
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  Speaker 1: I spat yeah, a couple of years ago. He's a
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  Speaker 1: great guy, really really cool guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I met him on that trip and I went
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  Speaker 3: there purely for this photo. It's gonna be really cool,
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  Speaker 3: and like everyone was like, oh, you're nutsy, and anyone
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  Speaker 3: who has actually been to the mountains, and you know.
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  Speaker 2: What the mountains was that in Coziostical was No, it
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  Speaker 2: was hot on me.
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  Speaker 3: It was his first trip, and so I went along
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  Speaker 3: and I nearly came. I stopped the car halfway because
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  Speaker 3: I don't like at the time, I didn't like being
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  Speaker 3: in big groups of men, so I nearly came home,
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  Speaker 3: and I forced myself to go. It's all out of
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  Speaker 3: my comfort sort of ship. And it turns out that
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  Speaker 3: breath work was the thing just taught me so much
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  Speaker 3: while I was away. It was a different time of
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  Speaker 3: breath He developed into the science a little bit for us.
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  Speaker 3: He really sort of explained it, and we got to
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  Speaker 3: go up into the mountain to do the top off thing,
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  Speaker 3: and it turned out it was like an eighty kilometer
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  Speaker 3: an hour blizzard, complete white out. It was terrifying, which
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  Speaker 3: it's fantastic because you know, if you go to the
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  Speaker 3: mountains when it's sunny, you can take your shirts off
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  Speaker 3: and you won't even know.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But then that that was.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it'd all been experiential for me up until
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  Speaker 3: that point, and then he started teaching us the sciencey
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  Speaker 3: tire side of things. And then the next thing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to go home. I want to stay
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  Speaker 3: here with this guy. Well I learned, and that was
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  Speaker 3: like June. So then in November, I went and did
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  Speaker 3: my Level one with him breathwork instructor and like, it's
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  Speaker 3: a far four or five day thing, and said that
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  Speaker 3: you've done three months worth of online stuff. And by
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  Speaker 3: the time I got there, I was just like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I was a tradesman. I was like, I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to be here and become a healer. I just want
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  Speaker 3: to fix myself. I'm here purely for personal reasons. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not here to teach anyone anything or go home and
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  Speaker 3: start preaching anything. And he basically the whole system was
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  Speaker 3: he broke it down. There was so much breath over
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  Speaker 3: the five days, and they rebuilt us back up again
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  Speaker 3: and educated us. I got home, well, I can't not
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  Speaker 3: share this now, I mean, I mean And then of course,
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  Speaker 3: another four or five months later I went off and
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  Speaker 3: did my Masters, which was so much deeper and so
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  Speaker 3: much more. You know, I could have ever imagined it
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  Speaker 3: would have been. It's crazy then. Ever since then, it's
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  Speaker 3: just been it just feels natural to get a group
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  Speaker 3: of people together and make them bricked hard on the floor,
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  Speaker 3: or even just do one at once and talk science
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  Speaker 3: with people. By means, any sort of expert when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to the science, and but you know, I know
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  Speaker 3: what I know, and I know how it feels, and
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  Speaker 3: I know what I've experienced with it and how it's
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  Speaker 3: helped with my mental health, my depression, the state of
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  Speaker 3: freeze anxiety. Anxiety is not something that I I even
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  Speaker 3: give a second thought more. You know, I used mad
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  Speaker 3: mad panic attacks. It would really stop me and hold me.
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  Speaker 3: But now it's just I know how my body works,
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  Speaker 3: how my nervous system works for the first time forty
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  Speaker 3: seven years old, and I've only just mastered this year.
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  Speaker 2: And we should be teaching kids.
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  Speaker 3: This when there's like ten Yeah, So it's you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's been so totally life changing for me that
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  Speaker 3: it's okay cool.
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  Speaker 2: Can we not go out and spread the word of it? So?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So let's talk about what you currently do. So
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  Speaker 1: I've been to a few of your breath work sessions,
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  Speaker 1: and we obviously live pretty close to each other. We
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  Speaker 1: go to the same CrossFit gym as well. But tell
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  Speaker 1: our listeners the sort of class, because I've been in
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  Speaker 1: your classes and I've seen live people having real breakthroughs,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: generally people who are struggling emotionally. Right, the fucking the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: psychologists would be tearing their hair out and screaming and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: jumping up and diying. But you're also a trauma informed coach,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: so of course talk to us about what you do
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and how you you walk that type rope, because clearly
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: there's big emotional releases that people get if they're holding
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: stuff in. And it reminds me of the book. I
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: can't remember that the author excives me, but the body
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: keeps the score. The idea that we hold emotional tension
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: in our body, which initially I thought, is that truly?
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Is that horseshit? But then I've actually seen on numerous
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: occasions people having massive emotional releases just from breathing, And
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: as a physiologist and neuroscientists and now psychologist, I'm like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on here?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy. So what I do is it's a
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: group session. So about the bulk of what I do
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: is group sessions.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I do do some one on one stuff, but I
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: don't really do the big deep dive breath work sessions.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: In a one on one scenario, I don't feel personally
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: that it's going to be as effective. I think it
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: needs that group shared energy sort of environment.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting, the group energy.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, some people always say I'm a bit too nervous.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I'd rather be on my own. But then I point out,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: and it's just going to be you and me, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: it's going to be really awkward.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: At first, you know, I thought, you know, for me personally,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: i'd do it, no problem now. But when I first
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: started my breath work sort of side to think journey
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: as it were, it was like a one on one
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: You've got to be crazy.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: So it is very much a very private, very personal
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: experience done on a ship level. So and it's never
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: ever really lost on me the vulnerability required for someone
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: to sorry I touched the table not only just buy
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: the ticket, turn up, but also walks through the door
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: to be confronted by a six foot bald, bearded, tattooed guy.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Who looks like he's who looks like he's out of
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the game of Throns, right, Yeah, and then it's monster.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like right, like love out on the floor
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: and close your eyes. Yeah, it's like and do what
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I tell you.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not when you think about breath work, you're
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: not the stereotypical teacher, right, because I remember walking in
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and you're you've got to be at least six foot
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and massively muscle. You look like you're out of the
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: game of throws, right. You look like you're Viking with
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: all the touns and stuff like that, and it can
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: be disarming for people. It's like, well, Jesus, this dude
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: is teaching birth work.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: So it's just like, that's one of the things that
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: we learned very quickly is it's all about the way
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: you present yourself and the scene setting and creating an environment.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: So you know, when you walk into my room and like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: if you'd asked me this five ten years ago, I
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: would after you. But nothing makes me more happy than
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: setting up fairy lights and fake candles, and you know,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: it's just like I'm like, I'm like dancing round of
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: the room like it's a Christmas eve.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I was just like, I havn't the best time setting
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: up this room making it look all cozy. And even
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: for men's groups as well, it's like I do the
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: same thing. You know, you think these big men are
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: coming in and I'm set up all these fairy lights
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: and you know, I'm sitting there half in the dark
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: with some crystal bowls and ship and it's like that's
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: getting on to here.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: But that's it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: It's like you bring them through the door and you
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: you you instantly create comfort and safety, and then they
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: then you. Then they go into the room and they're like, wow,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: oh this looks really cool and it can be an
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: environment I can, I can, I can relax in because
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: I've been to breath work where it's just a room
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: with the lights on and you're like, aha, you can't.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Everyone's looking at each other, no one's talking to each other.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: It's already awkward. Whereas when the light's off and there's
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: just candles and fairy lights, people start talking to each
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: other and people start just instantly relaxing. And then I
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: sit at the front and I make a few jokes
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: about you know whatever, and everyone said was in it's beautiful.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: So then and you sound like Barry White as well,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: which people.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: So the idea is that we get the group in,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: I will then explain a bit about myself. So I'll
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: always explain my journey like I just did with you,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: but maybe in a different manner so that I can
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: then level the plane. So I've been you, I've been
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: in your map. I've been nervous, i have not wanted
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: to be here, but I've surrendered to the process.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I got what I needed. M hm.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't get what I wanted, but I
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: got what I needed, which then took me on my
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: way to what I wanted. So that the process, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: then I'll explain what we're going to do, what it's
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: going to make it feel like, how it's going to
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: present itself to them, you know, body tingles, lobster of
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: handy things and yeah, h just the process that we're
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: gonna start super slow. We can slow down with breathold.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: We can do that all the while trying to explain
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: what's actually going on within their bodies and then explaining that. Yes,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: for me, in my first session, it was a big
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: cry fest, and it was like that for the first year.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Then it became evers and other stuff. Could be that
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: your emotional release is in fact an emotional release, which
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: is cool. It might be a little tear down the side.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: People always laugh that their ears fill up with tears.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: It's quite funny.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Other people, it will be just a super blissful, buzzy,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: calm minds quiet state or.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the way that I.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Feel all the colors.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Like some people have the wild stories of past lives
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: or feeling like the tree or whatever.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Then there's other people that the.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Release is physical, so it will be your cramping, it
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: will be that you know, shaking and the vibrating and
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: and what what's.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: What's going what's going on? What's going on there?
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: And I run a different session I've actually been talking
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: to your wife about called TRE which is trauma release exercise.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: So that's where we actually encourage movement to allow the body.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: So if you think about it, if you ever see it,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: heard the story of like the zebra and the lion.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: So if you've got your zebra's there and it's it's
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: munching on the grass, and then you've got your lions
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: stalking it, it doesn't see it. He's getting close enough
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to get to the lion. Then all the zebras look
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: up lion and they all start running. The lion focuses
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: on this one zebra. Loungeon gets its claws into its backside.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Let's go. The zebra gets away.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: The lion goes, now, I'm not that hungry, and goes
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: and lies down. The zebra then catches up with all
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: the other zebras find safety, find safety as you do,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: and then starts eating the grass. But what you'll see,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: and you'll see this on like Wildlife documentary, is the
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: zebra that starts shaking from the tail through to the
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: oh yes, yes, like the dog when it's wet, but
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: way more smaller and faster. So the whole does it
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: all the way down the body and he goes oh grass.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Let's forgets about the lion. So the lions now a
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: thing of the past. We don't, you know whereas we
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: go through our traumas immediately the frontal loads of the brand.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: You probably know more about this than I do. But
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: shuts down our response or our social expectations upon ourselves.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Shuts down our response like I want to cry, or
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I really want to scream and shout, Like I had
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: a concussion at work the other day. All I felt
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: such rage that I wanted to scream and shout, and
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I was like, I can't. I can't do that here,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: So I dealt with it in another way. I did
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: some breathing somewhere else.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: But we're conditioned to keep everything in. I'll deal with
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that later.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Twenty five years later, we're still down in the pub
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: talking about what happened to me when I was fifteen
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: years old. Whereas the zebra has done it is for
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: a trauma release and a grass yes doesn't have the
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: same brain as ours and all that sort of thing,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: but yeah, that's what we're after with the breast is
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: it might just be that you need to have that
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: emotional release, but it also might be the physical side
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: of things. So, you know, we talk about trauma, big trauma,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: little trauma, you know, the crazy stuff all the way
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: through to so and so was picking on me every
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: day for a year at work or a school or what.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: We store.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: We don't store the actual thing that happened to us.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: We store the way our body responded, and that's stuck
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: in our muscles, which is why, you know, it's really
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: interesting to me when we do I do work with
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: people in the gym and we're doing sort of emotional
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: release stuff in the gym. You know, you can see
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: the blockages on their physiology when you get them to
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: sort of if it's a man, take their shirt off,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: women as close to to that as we can we
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: get holding away plate over their heads. I'd love to
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: do this for you see, and then we can see
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: how the backwards reacts and we can see what's working,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: what's not working, and how the muscles then start to
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: freak out, and then we can we can fix it
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: via via various methods of training and what. But so,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: what I'm getting at really is but the simple way
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: of doing it is lying on the floor and switching
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: that frontal low boll through those really really big long
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: breasts that we do. So it's that full inhale into
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the diaphragm down here, then up into the chest, but
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: not up into the head, and then just lease out
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: whatever you need to release out gradually. As we it
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: through that, this all starts to quiet and down the
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: it starts sending all sorts of weird messages like this is.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Wrong, you're in the wrong room, you're doing it wrong.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't be here, this is scary, my hair hurts
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: my hand, And then your hands start doing this weird.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Thing like your bodies.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Your brain's trying to bring you back online basically, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: once you get past that, then you then you can
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: start to let everything from here downwards do the processing.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: It's like we talk about icebergs. It's like the tip
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: of my Icebert going to see you as a psychologist
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: and talking about our shared tip.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Of ice experiences.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, what if we just cut the ice but off,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: tipically off, and of the stuff under the water actually
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: come out.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Deal with this, deal with it.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because the mad of mine wo'd been through
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the massive divorce and did the breath work session with you.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: He said his hands turned into claws and all cramped up,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And so that that's what you're talking about with the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: lobster hands.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's actually so tetany. I don't know why
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: it's called techny, that's just the name it's been given.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I haven't really sort of research into it, but that
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: again is it's it's the body trying to bring you
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: back out of.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: You know what.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: You know, as we're talking here, I'm thinking that they
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: So I've started with the Me and mine Professor Grants Goofield,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the lab called the Hardiness Lab, where we are going
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to be testing a whole heap of lifestyle interventions such
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: as exercise, cold exposure, breath work, heat exposure, nutrition, all
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: those things. What I would freaking love to do is
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: have somebody in a functional MRI scanner doing the breath
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: work to see what's happening in the brain like that
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: that we just have to do that ship.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if someone hadn't done it, to
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: be honest.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: But I'm I'm thinking as we're talking here, i just
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: made a note to myself to do some research after
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: this to see if anybody has done it, because there
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: is there's there's so much anecdotal evidence. If you go
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: online and you just look at people talking about their
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: experience in breath work, right, there are thousands of people
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: like Mimi, like Oscar, like the other people I've seen
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: in your class, like the all the people I saw
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: in dan Brula that's the guy's name and I did
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: years ago, right, And the amount of people I saw
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: in there having these emotional releases in it. It's just
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: it's so consistent that it's like, fucking hell, why hasn't
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: anybody really dove into what is going on here physiologically?
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure that there's there's people who have
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: their theories, but I'd love to see what's happening in
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the brilliant I'd love to see what's happening in the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: nerve system. Clearly the autonomic nervous system is heavily involved
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: in this, with the sympathetic and the parasympathetic. Right, there's
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: there's there's there's no doubt. And I know that the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: breath can change neurotransmitters in the brain. We've really talked
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: about d m T. But there is just such powerful
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: effects throughout the body that the and and the psychology
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: community would be skurd shitless of it, and hence they
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: want to shut it down. And if if psychologists or
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: psychiatrists were to walk into any number of breath work sessions,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: they would be I think a lot of them going,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: this is fucking art reigious. You shouldn't be doing this
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: with our you know, proper psychologists are like they own
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: emotional release. Yeah, you get a lot of that, you
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: get and this is this is said from a psychologist.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah you get people said it's dangerous, you should have
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: more support, it should be more this that than the other,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: and words of it. The interesting thing I found with
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: with psychologists or psychology its like, up until I started breathwork,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I really struggled withiss Like, like I said, it was
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: always in the same story and not really getting anywhere.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: But then after I started breath, I actually allowed myself
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: to go to the psychologist or my counselor whoever it
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: was at the time and actually listened to what they
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: had to say. You know, I found it not easier
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: to be in that process. I was more comfortable with
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: where I would. You know, I kind of figured myself
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: out a bit first. Then I went to the psychologist
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: and we could actually have a proper conversation rather than
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: just just feeling overwhelmed and depressed because I had to
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: see a psychologist and all that sort of stuff. So
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: it was it was interesting for my in my experience.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I still see a counselor.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that interesting you say that. I interviewed a guy
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: as fucking me and escips me. Paul Paul Libermotski I've
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: pronounce just read him, but so he he basically is
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the lead researcher and practitioner of psychedelic psychedelic assisted therapies
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: in Australia, right, So so he he runs the first
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: he does all the research. I think it's a deacon.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I can't quite remember, but there is a there is
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: a yeah in atmosphere. So Paul Paul Luberminski or something right.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: But and and and brilliant guy I did. I shared
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the stage with him when we did talks to the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Young Presidents Association, but and then I had a chat
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: with him afterwards. But and then obviously interviewed him on
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the podcast. But he said that the psychedelics act as
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a rocket ship for therapy and just open people's minds
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: massively to the therapeutic process. But his thing and and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: very much I think like yours. If you if you
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: are going to use a rocket ship, you need to
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: know how to drive the rocket chip. And that's where
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the facilitator of the breath work comes in. Yes, And
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the way that you set it up, like having witnessed it,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the way that you set it up give the expectation
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: of people, create that very calm, safe environment, even with
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a bunch of strangers, and then the conversations afterwards where
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: people talk about what they went through. I mean, I'm
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: looking at this and going this is fucking this is brilliant.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: From a therapy perspective, there's that shured connection between people.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And we know recent research comes out that shows that
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: when people do stuff in rhythm, whether it's singing, chanting,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: and it didn't mention this, but I thought straight away,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: marching right military when you do stuff in unison, breathwork
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: would be into it. There becomes a very strong bond
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: between those people emotionally, right, and and you can you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: can actually see this from the start of the class
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: that you're into the end. So I'm obviously coming into
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: your class and looking at it one from an experience
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: so perspective, but also with my kind of researcher's hat
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: on looking around at what's going. But but it is,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: it's a very interesting And I get your point about
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: doing it as a sure journey rather than one on one.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I think one on one it would be a very
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: different vibe than it is with a bunch of people
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: even who are are strangers. And talk to us about
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: your the man's stuff that you do specifically, so you
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: do you do sessions for for everybody, but then you
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: do man stuff. You also do a sound healing which
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Carly went to which I didn't get to, but I
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: want to go to the next one or not aging energy,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: not not sign energy healer, actually work with it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: That's actually happening tonight.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Right, So talk us through those different classes and higher
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: they actually different and what are you trying to achieve that?
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, So my normal class is just it's open, it's
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: all ages or sexes or whatever.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful community thing. But then.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I also do the men's session. So a lot of
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: the time when men come to breath work and I
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: do beginning, I do a bit of an icebreakers, like
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: give me three to five words as to way or here,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: and mostly the men will be she.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Brought me, my wife told me yeah.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Or my wife brought me the ticket, and now here
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I am. You know, So with men, do we like
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: to know how things work before we commit ourselves to
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: In my opinion.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I mean so.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: When the men are in a room full of the
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: women will surrender beautifully every time, not every time, but
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: most of the time that like, at least eighty percent
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: of the women go, let's this is my time, this
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: is my quiet, I'm going for it, Let's get into
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: this ship and the sharing app is crazy at the end.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: The guys, on the other hand, will either feel sort
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: of slightly wary because they're in a room full of women,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: mostly because there'll only be two to five men in
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: a room of twigs, you know, yes, so they already
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: feel kind of out of place on edge and then
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: they go, yeah it's pretty cool, you know, kind of
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: tingly and yeah, yeah, I'll definitely be back, and I
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: was like, nay, I'm not going to see you. So
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: that I created the men's sessions so that it took
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of that way. So there's just a big
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: group of dudes in the room sitting on yoga mats.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I do the exact same stuff. I set it up
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: and create safety, therefore week ow vulnerability and therefore healing
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: if you want to call it. It's the exact same setup.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Everything is the same, but it's for the men. And
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: I sit and I talk more man to man rather
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: open this is what we're going to do. And then
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: but I also create more of a I like to
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: try and create more of a fireside chat to begin with.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: So I've got this a frog. It's a wooden frog
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: about yay big, and it's got a little stick you
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: can bang it. It's a musical thing.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Ah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: So I at the beginning, it's not just why you hear,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: it's what's going on for you right now. So it's
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: that sort of fireside chat. So we can then get
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: them to settle in a bit more and I passed
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: the frog round. So if you've got the talking frog,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: you're the one that's talking. No one can interrupt you
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: and go, hey, yeah, I know what you mean. No,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: it's not your chip. And as a man, I know
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: full well that sitting in a circle talking to a
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: group of other men i've never met before eye to
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: eye is going to really put me on. So they're
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: talking frog. The men will have the head down and
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: they'll talk to the frog, or they'll play with it,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: they'll fiddle with it. Ah okay, So it's enough to
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: distract them from the situation in and therefore they will
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: open nice, nice not only why are you here my
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: wife bought me a ticket, or I've heard about breathwork.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I just thought, come and see what it's like. Now,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: what's actually going on for you right now? And I'll
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: start I'll say like this week has been terrible, or
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: or this week's great, you know, like it doesn't always
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: have to be what you're miserable. Some people come in
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: and go, I'm having a great time. I really I'm
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: here to top things up and I want to explore
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: whatever's next, whereas other people are going, you know, last time,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I think last man's break. We had a couple of
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: guys who were freshly, so yeah, also talk about that,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: and then we go and do the breath work. So
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: now everyone's already relaxed into it, and now they I
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: have explained it. I also I say to them, men,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: we like to know how things work. You don't need
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: to know how this work.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Chill out. I've got you.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I'm going to keep you safe throughout this whole thing.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: You're going to hear my voice the whole way through.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I'm here.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Just get into it. Just work hard, do the work,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: and you get the bed of the end. And then
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: we have another share at the end.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: And is there as much it's been opening up and
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the men's classes are in the in the open class
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: that I.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Was a yeah, I've had some. I remember once I
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: did a men's session and then in the room across
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: the hall they were having a.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: What were they doing?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: They were doing like a Christian him singing session. So
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: they were all singing over there, and the guys.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: There's a pig and pig and red child across the cardinal.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: No, but it was like it was all basically the
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: gist of it is that it was all old ladies
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: and a couple of old dudes, and then in my
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: room there's all these men, and then one of the
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: guys got really vocal, and then this guy over here
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: got vocal, and then it got really loud and loud
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: and loud, and I've got these men screaming and crying
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: and letting all this rage out of their bodies.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: And so I felt like opening the door with Thory
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: been a bit loud.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: You know, it got to the point where I couldn't
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: hear the music so loud.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just that sort of.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: You are you are free to express yourself, and I
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: encourage them I go through. So once we're into like
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: thirty thirty something minutes in, I'm like, well, what if
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: you put some emotion behind their exit, really start to
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: push it out, and if I can see on people's
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: faces where they're at and with that person individually for
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: like a few seconds to a minute or something, and
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: just get them to start to go down the path
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: that they're scared to go down, you know, or they
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: they feel like they they you know, they're about to
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: go to a place that they're not sure about, and
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I just I just encourage them to tip over the edge,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: and I was like, so you, I always say, if
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: you want to be super loud, you're not disturbing these
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: people over here, because they might feel like they can't
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: be super because they're going to disturb you. And it's
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: that shared energy that we talked about earlier that allows
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: everyone to relax. Oh cool, or that man, that man
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: over there is crying and that's making me really sad,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: so I'm going to cry. I never did it myself.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: The very first time I did a men's I had
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: a man in one of my sessions and they started
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: crying and my wife was in the room and she
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: noticed because she heard my voice crack.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: This guy.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: It was in my garage. It was like the first
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: ever session I did, and the guys had turned up.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I know him, know what he's been through, and he
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: started to cry, and it just I just couldn't hold
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: it in either. I was just so happy for him
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: and so sad at the same time. It was beautiful.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: So yeah, So for me personally, it's actually actually quite hard.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: It's a lot harder for me to get through the
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: men's sessions because I can feel it way more right.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I can feel what they're going through because I can
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: I can relate as a man obviously, you know with
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: the mixed session is it is amazing and it affects
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: me as well. But yeah, just just knowing what it's
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: like as a bloke to line on the floor and
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: actually get that release.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: It's and how hard it can be for some guys
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: to have any sort of emotional yes, I think, yeah, yeah.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I mean one guy at the last session he yeah,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I had just talked to him after his share because
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: he was he was being really hard on himself for
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: having that release, or he's been really hard on himself
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: for taking the time to work on himself and not
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: provide and all this sort of shit.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: It's just like, this is exactly what we need. We
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: need these.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Moments to to have for ourselves to actually express ourselves,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: to take ourselves out of whatever situation, just without any
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: consequence sort of judgment, feeling and all that sort of stuff.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: And the group share at the end of the men's
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: session is boys, really, can.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: You tell you know you alluded to? Sorry, I'll cut
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: you off, just just this this quick you alluded to.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: When you're going around the room, you can see in
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: someone that they are reaching a certain point. Is that
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: fiercial expressions. Is it is it their body or is
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it a combination of all of it?
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Man, it's it's it's I can see it on their face.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I can feel it energetically some bizarre way. I'm not
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: spiritual guru like that. It's I can just tell or
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: they'll they'll be kind of up like this, and you
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: can just tell they're this close and if I don't intervene,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: they're going to back off. So with a guy, it
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: would be okay, like if like this, well for anyone, really,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: it's spreading open the chest and getting there. Once I've
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: got the man to open up through here, I can
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: then stick my thumbs in a couple of trigger points
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: just underneath the collar into the peck muscle there, and
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: that has a good Someone did it to me while
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I was so bang. I was like, damn it, and
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I started balling my eyes up one. Then we can
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: get into the pecks, because from emotional mapping point of view,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: pets your self love.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: So if we can can then just give them a
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: bit of a proke around.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: In the pecks and then they start they start doing
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: the mounting here, and then the hands come up and
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: I can grab their hands and push against their hands,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: and then we start to get for you know, into
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: the brass as we can get that exhale coming on,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: and then they start to get louder, and then we
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: can we can kind of wrestle a bit and then
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: as I see that then start to subside, I then
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: can then guide them into a bit more gentle and
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: wherever it is that they need to go flowing all
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: along rather than continuously screaming and shouting. But with the ladies,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: quite often you can see it on their face and
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: they're just just almost there. It's around here and down
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: into the upper trap.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: For those who aren't watching.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Oh sorry, yeah, yeah, So it's basically basic sort of
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: a bit of a three trigger point thumb massage into
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: the base of the skull, down into the upper traps,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: down the neck and get underneath and they'll arch immediately
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: and then they will close down again and then gotcha
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: is that sort and then then they allowed to step
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: over into that into that release. No, not every single time, yeah,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: but you can. You can just help them along their
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: way rather than just continuously wandering around the room making
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: sure everyone's all right. But it's yeah, and obviously we
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: talk consent before we begin, like there's going to be
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: the big weird guy is going to put his hands
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: on you at some point, and I try and make
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: a little bit of joke about it and not make
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: it and creepy. But it's always here upwards or knees down.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: There is no nothing between the collar and the knee
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: for anyone. And then sometimes it just feels right for
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: me to put my hand on some of the leg
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: and and just allow them to kind of ground a
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: little bit so flow through me because energy flows out
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: through the feet apparently then it throws through into the
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: ground or whatever. And I had people like say, why
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: did you grab my leg? I'm like, oh shit, I'm
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: in trouble here, and they said no, because my whole
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: left side was cramping. It got really really uncomfortable, really
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: struggling with it. You put your hand on the leg
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: or then I went off on this beautiful journey of
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: bliss and peace. So there's there's a certain energy shifting,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: which is why I do this session that I'm doing
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: tonight with Jemma, because she's in fact and energy. So
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: while I'm doing my breath work, she goes around the
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: room does what she does and I don't pretend to
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: understand what she does in anyway.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Carli actually Carli went to the line that's
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: one of those, and she said she was because she's
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: spent her few breath work sessions with you. And then
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: she said Gemma came around and just touched her on
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the shoulders against Carly said she just felt all of
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: this energy through your body. Says she's never experienced anything
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: like it before. But that's a get Gemma on the
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: top about that one.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I could try and explain what she does, but it's
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: it's it's it's beyond my my, my paygrade.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's interesting stuff. I find it interesting.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Uh you've got to be kind of outed as well
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: if you watch the videos online.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, pretty odd, but yeah, it works well.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: You know, she does her thing, I do mine. Ultimately
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: the breath work allows the other stuff to be more
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: effective in my Yeah, I think you know, you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: without the breath work, it's just a it's just an
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: energy heating session with it. So it's it's it's it's
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: very deep and we get some cool results and big releases.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: It's so why would you like to So we're kind
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: of getting to the end here, What's what's your vision
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: for the next three years in terms of your own journey?
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: And then like ideally, where would you like to take
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the stuff that you do with people.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm kind of mhm.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Obviously I'll continue with the group stuff that that's super
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: super important. But I always I really quite enjoyed teaching
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: the science the end of things and the anxiety management, uh,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: the Carmon Dix eye tolerance and all this sort of stuff.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, like there's a spectrum of breath work and
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: of one end you've got big group liedowns, which is
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: your kind of super spiritual end, but your scientific end
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: at the other end, Like I did that in the
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: liedown in first and it changed then I did that
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: learning that mauth breathing was a bad thing. Carbon dark
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: side tolerance and being able to hold your breath for
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: more than ten seconds is very very important thing, you know.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: You know when I first did started learning about carbon
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: darkseye tolerance, my tolerance was so badly ridiculous. A good
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: tolerance that's just this is twenty five seconds of a
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: breath hold.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Before you feel the earth to breathe. Mine was six.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm I'm certainly not at twenty.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Five, you know, my max breath hold with eleven seconds.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: And I'm sitting in a room full of people. I'm
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: looking around and they're all still holding their breaths. I'm like,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: oh shit, and I didn't know, you know. And again,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: boarding school taught me to keep my mouth open because
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: in the winter, you know British weather, you get pretty
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: severe cold and you start breathing through your nose and
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: people start telling them to be less noisy. And I
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: remember hearing myself tell someone, hey, can you breathe through
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: your mouth, because it's really noisy when you breathe through
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: you But then that's super important because it's directly linked
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: to your sympathetic system up in your chest. So I'm
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: chest breathing from the age of ten through to forty.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: And then when I was an athlete, like we're in
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: the shower or something, and one of the guys called
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: me fat was my six pack was impressive as his.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: So then I made a conscious decision on that day
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: never to let my stomach touch my T shirt ever again.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: And so I never breathed into my diaphragm. So for
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: the next thirty years, I'm stood up right, making sure
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: my T shirt looks so that I don't look like
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: I've got a gut. And I'm breathing here up into
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: my chest and I'm hitting a sympathetic every single breath,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: and I'm never finding flow state, and I'm never finding
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: you know, the parasympathetic, and everything's going horribly, horribly horribly wrong. Yes,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: that the line on the floor and the release of
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: all the emotions.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: It's huge.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Then learning to recorrect my breath pat my functioning breath pattern.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: I take my like like I said, my carbon dioxide
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: was six seconds. I got it up to about thirty five.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: I messaged Johannes Egberts and said, hell have you done
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: to me? I can literally feel energy running through my
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: body And it was that overwhelming to do list was
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: no longer overwhelming. It was what's next, let's go. And
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: the really interesting part from that, as soon as I
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: got to that point, I copped her again. I got
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: another concussion at work and I've been documenting it all.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: I've been writing down all numbers three times a day
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: religiously for like three months. And that little trauma to
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: the head, I got some stitches in my face and
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff, and that trauma then threw
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: all my numbers. So my resting heart rate went from
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: forty eight out of bed to ninety six and it
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: wouldn't come down for a week. My card and dark
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: side tolerance went from a thirty five second hold to
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: about eight and everything just went backwards. And normally that
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: would be like, oh God, I've got to start again,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: but no, how this is fascinating. So okay, So this
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: is how our body reacts to trauma, physical trauma. It
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: messes with our breath, then messes with our nervous system,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: and then we get into that sort of almost like
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: we jump into the anxiety loop.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Or the or the overstress loop or whatever.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: We jump into a loop where by overbreathing, we're then
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: causing ourselves to overbreathe more and then get into this
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: awful state we can't get at. And so then I
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: went through the process again, fixed it. So it's that
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: sort of side of things that I find really really fascinating,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: And it's also the hardest part for me to get
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: people to try and actually attempt. I get told to
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: breathe and have a good cry and get some cool,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: funky visuals awesome everyone.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Most people are quite keen for that.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Sit on your arms for twelve minutes first thing before
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: the sun has come up to and do like three breatholds.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: No one wants to do, but it is that all
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: life changing that I did a function of breath and
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: anxiety workshop the other day and I said to the
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: guys in the room, I said, if there's one thing
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: you can do, it's fixed with carbon dioxide tolerance, and
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: you will get yourself out anxiety loop and you will
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: be so much and you'll be able to recognize things
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: like anxiety panic, Anxiety will not be anxiety anymore, will
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: will return to what it is, which is enlessness. Sometimes
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: you know, rather than oh I can't do it unto anxious,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: it's like, well I'm nervous about this.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: And people don't realize it's the reaction that they're having
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to the CO two right and to their to their
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: sympathetic nervous system and the adrenaline. An interesting a little
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: aside for you. My PhD supervisor is he he did
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: his pH d in Russia and basically designed the test
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: that was the CO two tolerance test that predicted success
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: in special forces training. And it was basically you do
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: a breathold, a normal breathold, and you get where you
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: need the first breathing reflex. You'll be very aware of that.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: And then you then go and you hold for as
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: long as you can. So it's the delta about how
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: much longer you can go as a percentage of your
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: ref of your initial baseline test. And those who could
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: hold it the longest were much more likely to pass
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: special Forces selection training. And it's discomfort tolerance, so it's
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: a discomfort tolerance test. Hence why very useful for anxiety
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: because it's discomfort tolerance which is strongly linked to distress tolerance,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: which is a psychological thing, so that there's the connection
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: between body and brill in around discomfort and distress tolerance.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: That's very cool.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: That's literally the same test that that's the way I
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: do my carbon dioxide.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Tolerance, and and some more.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: You do that, cool, and then you do like super
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: super slow breathing for three minutes.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Then you do it again.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah cool.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's rebuilding those numbers back up. It's just such
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: life changing stuff. But the key is to with that
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: max breathold not to go too far so that your
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: heart then start crazy. It will mess up your next
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: because he's only doing it once, and that's great.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Then go for it. Go blue and the face past out.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Whatever you need to do if you really want to
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: retrain the whole thing more than once. So if you
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: hit that too high a heart rate, it's going to
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: affect the next one. It's going to make it way
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: harder to do, and then by the end of it,
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: your heart rate is going to be high when you started.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: It's no idea, right, It's just that I should probably
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: breathe now rather than dripping the table. Yeah, okay, you know,
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: going in the face. You know, I tried it. The
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: visuals are great when you pass out, but it can't
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: be healthy, you know.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this has been This has been very cool.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: What's like what would you like to see, say, you're okay,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you par You're going to be
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: bizarre of the universe?
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: How would you like to see breath work actually employed
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: across the world?
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Schools, schools from a young age, like schools right from tiny.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's teaching children when they're when they can
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: start to learn breathe through your nose, that's what your
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: nose is for. I mean, and there's document there's a
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: book coming what's called a guy who documented like every
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Native American tribe in the US in the eighteenth century.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: It's not breathed by Jim's nest, is it.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Nobody talks about this book in their book, right.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, in the tribes, they swallow
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: their babies with their heads up so that the chin stays,
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: the mouth stays club or if they're walking through the
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: try through the village and there's someone standing there with
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: their mouth open, they'll reach across and close their mouths,
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: you know. So it's a it's a it's a community
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: social thing. That they're breathing through your mouth is not
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: what we should be doing. It's breathing through your nose.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: There's a old Chinese you know, a couple of thousand
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: years old saying or scroll or whatever. You know, if
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: you want a long and happy life, breathe through your nose.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: If you want a short and painful life, breathed through
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: your mouth, or something along those lines.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: So, if we can educate the kids, then the simplest
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: things you can get rid of exercise induced asthma, you
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: can braces will be a thing of the past because
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: of mouth breathing changes the shape of your face and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: you can't fit all your teeth in, So all the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: downtistry will be gone for those that don't really need it,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: and just just a healthier, happier kids who's aware of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: the nervous system and how that each breath can potentially
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: affect their emotions out there, and the nervous system and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: how to manage it. I mean, you know, it doesn't
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: obviously mean getting super scientific with tiny little kids, but
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: get them, make it, make it normal as opposed to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: what I've been breathing for thirty years.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Why am I?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: You know what am I doing wrong? It's this is
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: the physiology of your body. Rather than giving away sovereignty
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: to ask something feels wrong, I'd better go and ask
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: someone else about like something doesn't feel right within me.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: I know how to fix this. I know how to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: deal with this. This is fine. I can. I got this.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: You know. I've got a good friend of mine that
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: I trained with. He's just he's a primary school teacher
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: and he's he doesn't teach anymore. He has the breath
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: work room. He's up in New South Wales, and the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: kids come to each class comes to him and they
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: do a breathwork session. Not like not the full lie
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: on the floor and tripballs and that, but it's it's
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: the educational side of things, and it's like, hey, well,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: what what breath do you need for this moment?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: And what breath do you need for that moment? And
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: even just in the gym or.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Athletes and all this, I think he's got like professional
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: athletes who don't have a good respiratory system, but they've
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: got hours of cardio.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: They've got seven.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Liters worth of lung capacity, but they use a third
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: of it when they're actually competing.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: You know. It's all these things.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: But so yeah, so if I was to be in charge,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: it would be like, let's educate.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Out of everyone.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you know, and those that need it, yeah,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: come come and lie down.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Or it doesn't. The thing with breathwork is like I've
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: just sort of good, you had a massive release.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that again. It's like, well, yeah,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: but what if you know, even if you feel great,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: what if you come to breathwork you get those little
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: answers to maybe some queries that are going on in
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: your head, or you get that opportunity just to clear
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: out some junk and just maintenance and keep and keep
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: going and keep you know, you focused, lie on the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: floor at home for ten minutes before you go to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: work or whatever.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: You know, it's we just and also as I talked
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: to corporates, you know, every half hour ideally is just
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: you know, get off your ars, move and then sit
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: down and do some slow control breathing through your nose
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: because it just it switches on the vagus nerve.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: And the fhrenic nerve. It reduces your heart rate, your
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: blood pressure, increase your heart rate, variabuilding brings your brein
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: out of a stress to it. It's like I made,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: I totally agree, and i'd actually to little kids in
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: schools just some box breathing or something like that. But
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I can tell you, as a reformed nose mouth breather
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: who had a deviated sceptem for thirty odd years, then
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: getting that fixed and breeding through my nose is a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: frigging game changer.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: I still have a problems, like when I was training
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: we were doing sprints in that when I breathe in
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: hard through my nose, it completely closes up, so I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: can't I can't do this, and my coach just looks
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: at me and goes, breathe up, not in, So you
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: make the crazy face and you flare the nostrils so
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what sort of state your nose is in,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: and then you can do a half marathon only breathing
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: to your notice. You know it's yeah, no. But I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: talked to corporate people a little bit as well. My
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: favorite is the heart coherence breathing, which is just the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: five in five hour yes, which will drop your quarterso
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: levels like a stone. There's hours of evidence out there
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: and signed inspact. Yeah, studies in that it drops it down,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: and if you do it for five minutes, it can
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: last anywhere up to four hours.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that five in five. I've actually seen the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: study on that clearing beta amyloid plaques from the bloodstream,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: which are the plaques that tend to accumulate in the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: brill and writes fucking ponkers, completely bonkers.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: I do it every morning, but straight out of bed.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: I do it every morning with that for ten minutes.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: A right, there you go.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: And then I recently quit my tree job as an arborist,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: and we got the WhatsApp group and all of a sudden,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: all the other boys that are posting pictures of me
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: that they've taken me while I was asleep at lunch
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: this is a bearard.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: It pictures me like this, my head down.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: But what I've actually done is quite a lot of
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: the time, i pulled my hat over my eyes and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: I've got an app on my phone that tells me
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: the five seconds and I'll do my heard coherence breathing
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: at lunchtime because the machinery and we have microphones, so
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: the microphones picks up the noise from someone using a
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: chainsaw like fifty mis as a way, So it all
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: became really super overwhelming for me. So at lunchtime, I'd
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: sit and close my eyes and do some heart care.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: It's breathing, and they all thought other sleep.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: So I do love. I do love a midday nap
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: as well, you know.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: But yeah, if you can sneak in a little bit
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: of five five, you know, and box breathing I think
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: is wonderful, but not so much if you're anxious, you know,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: holding your breath.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: The resonant frequency breathing as they call it. I have
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: a preference for that too. So Barney, tell us, where
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: can people go to find more about you and if
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: they live done in the morning to Peninsula to book
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: into your sessions, or if they're a corporate to book
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: in to do a breath work workshop and for their
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: people to teach them how to breathe and improve their performance.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Like you said, I'm personally based out of morning and
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: so I do a regular morning in session. I do
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: to two a month in mornington There's one that I'm
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: doing tonight with the Energy Heater that's further down the
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Peninsul which is in Bonio. I do a monthly session
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: up in Hawthorne. But you know, I'm I will travel
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: anywhere really, so just get in contact with me via
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: my business, which is Breathed into Life. I'm on LinkedIn
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: for all my corporate friends and yeah, the website is
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: breath into Life dot com, dot au. There's a lot
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: of information going out on Instagram breathed into dot life,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: and my events are on Humanitics. Unless I'm collaborating with
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: someone else and they're in charge of tickets, it will
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: be wherever they do it. So if in doubt, get
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: in touch with me and we'll we'll figure it out.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: It's awesome, same as the one on one stuff. I'll
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: travel for that, but not too far. And I have
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: a local room where I get all set up for
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: the one on ones and we talk about all the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: science and get some get some shipped up with Corbyn
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Anis and I also so I also do performance stuff
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: with Jim's.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah cool, awesome. Yeah, I need to get into a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: session with you on that one.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: I'd love to have a chat. Yeah cool.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: All right, let's lock it in, Barnie. This has been awesome.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you for your time, and keep keep keep trailing
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: that path me that because it needs to be it
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: needs to be laid out for people.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, keep pushing it. Thank you very much
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: for having me.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Cheers