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- 0:04Hey guys, welcome back to the Becoming Anchored podcast.
- 0:07So glad you're here with us today.
- 0:09We're super excited about this episode and the content we have and just
- 0:13having a conversation with y'all.
- 0:14So I'm Lauren Jackson.
- 0:16I'm one of the hosts here.
- 0:17Lauren is our other wonderful host.
- 0:19We are two licensed therapists in the Brentwood, Tennessee area.
- 0:24We're part of a group private practice called Anchored Counseling Company.
- 0:28Um, at Anchored, we see and treat anyone presenting with eating
- 0:33disorder, disordered eating, all the way to grief and loss, anxiety,
- 0:36depression, OCD, life transition.
- 0:39We kind of see all ages through the lifespan.
- 0:41We love what we do.
- 0:42This podcast has been so life giving for us just to engage all in a different way
- 0:48and to share, you know, our lives and our kind of therapy knowledge with you all.
- 0:53So, quick disclaimer before we kind of jump in and get started with this content.
- 0:57This podcast is for informational purposes only.
- 1:01We're not intending to be your therapist or do therapy with you over this platform.
- 1:06So if you're listening, if you feel like you might benefit from therapy and
- 1:09you're local to us, reach out to us.
- 1:11We'd love to connect.
- 1:12We'd love to get you scheduled and start that process with you.
- 1:15If you're not local to us, find someone in your area who is licensed.
- 1:20Ah, thank you, Warren.
- 1:22Like Warren said, this has just been such a fulfilling journey for us, and I feel
- 1:27like that's the word that we use for every introduction to the Becoming Anchored
- 1:31podcast, but it truly has been fulfilling.
- 1:34So fun for us and in such a sweet time of connection for the two of us and just
- 1:39really a fun space for us to talk about all things like and Therapy and we love
- 1:46being therapists We love sharing some of our wisdom on the show and my our
- 1:51hope to my hope is that You all will also get to know us and you know Some
- 1:56of the things that we've been through the hardships the pain the suffering and
- 1:59moments of joy as well so that's really the purpose of You The Becoming Anchored
- 2:02podcast is to show up first and foremost as humans with you all, and then to also
- 2:08share some of our therapeutic wisdom that we have gleaned over the years.
- 2:11So welcome.
- 2:12Welcome.
- 2:28We've got fun and exciting episode for you all today.
- 2:32I'm super excited about this topic.
- 2:34So let's go ahead and jump right in.
- 2:37Today, we are going to be talking about what to expect if you are new to therapy.
- 2:43And Lauren and I were chatting briefly before we started this episode, so this
- 2:47really is if you are a newcomer to mental health therapy altogether, or maybe you've
- 2:52taken a break and you're resuming therapy with a provider, we are going to share
- 2:58more specifically what to expect, and we're really going to be talking about how
- 3:02we approach new clients in our practice, So, of course, we can't guarantee how
- 3:08other providers are, you know, providing care, but my hope is that whoever
- 3:12you're seeing, you feel comfortable and safe and balanced and encouraged
- 3:15and equipped and all the good things.
- 3:17So let's go ahead and dive right in.
- 3:20Yes.
- 3:21So, for those of you who've maybe never been to therapy before, it can certainly
- 3:28be a little bit of a scary step.
- 3:31Hey, for sure.
- 3:32And maybe you've thought about it.
- 3:34Maybe you've even like done some research.
- 3:36Maybe you've like looked up some people on psychology today or whatever.
- 3:39Right.
- 3:40And so, you know, just to validate like taking that first step and like picking
- 3:44up the phone or sending the email can certainly feel Overwhelming because maybe
- 3:48you don't know what to expect, right?
- 3:50You don't know what that first kind of session is going to be
- 3:56like, and maybe even there's a fear or an internalized kind of,
- 4:04yeah, fear that I'm going to have to sit down and just share my whole.
- 4:08life story and all my deepest, darkest secrets with somebody that I don't know.
- 4:12And so to start out by saying there's never any pressure here
- 4:18in our space that you have to divulge everything about yourself.
- 4:23And so your deepest, darkest secrets that we really value here at Anchored,
- 4:29like building rapport and creating safety with our clients and safety can mean
- 4:34different things for different people.
- 4:35And so Each of our, each of us, each of the different therapists
- 4:38here really are super mindful of how to build that safety with each
- 4:43client and how that client needs it.
- 4:46So, yeah.
- 4:48Yeah, and Lauren can speak to this just so well because she actually, at this
- 4:53point, is, answering phones and getting new clients established with the,
- 5:00hopefully the best fit possible for them.
- 5:03And so she is really on the front lines of placing clients and Talking
- 5:09to new clients about their concerns, answering questions about our practice,
- 5:13and Lauren is so patient and warm and thoughtful, and I think that new
- 5:19clients certainly yield that from her.
- 5:22And yeah, just to echo what you're talking about, I mean, good therapy is paced.
- 5:27And so I, what I mean by that is, you know, when you're with a therapist that
- 5:33knows how to pace you and the session.
- 5:36That typically is going to go better for new clients, right?
- 5:40Because it's not that we don't want to know all your deepest, darkest secrets.
- 5:44It's that we also understand.
- 5:47The way the nervous system works, what we call the window of tolerance, which
- 5:51we've talked about that quite often on the show, it's essentially where
- 5:55we're able to stay regulated the best.
- 5:57And so, you know, as we move through therapy, the goal is to help you
- 6:03practice being more vulnerable, but in the first few sessions, we want to
- 6:07build what's called rapport and safety, first and foremost, so that you know
- 6:13that what you share is important.
- 6:15Is appropriate and is okay to be sharing with your therapist.
- 6:19And so, yeah, I do think pacing is really important.
- 6:22And it allows the client to feel cared for, to know that they can trust their
- 6:28therapist, and that there is safety there.
- 6:30So that's certainly something that we are training our staff on as well.
- 6:33And Lauren, you know, trains the staff, and so she does
- 6:35such a great job with that.
- 6:38But yeah, in the first session, I mean, your therapist is
- 6:41hopefully reviewing and reviewing.
- 6:42They're practice policies, so that's essentially their cancellation
- 6:46policy, what we call informed consent.
- 6:49They're reviewing limits to confidentiality here
- 6:52in the state of Tennessee.
- 6:53We are mandated reporters, so, you know, any suspected, you know, abuse of any
- 6:58kind that includes child or elder abuse.
- 7:00They're also reviewing any kind of benefits and risks that they might want
- 7:06to speak to in the therapeutic room.
- 7:08So that's really that first, this first few minutes after you, you know.
- 7:13Meet your therapist and say hi to your therapist and walk back
- 7:16into your therapist's office.
- 7:18That's what they are going to be doing in the first few minutes of session.
- 7:22And then Lauren can kind of speak to what the rest of session might look like.
- 7:26Yeah, yeah.
- 7:28So, you know in that first session and maybe the first couple of sessions
- 7:31your therapist is really asking a lot of questions and kind of assessing for
- 7:39whatever it is that maybe is Bringing you into therapy or whatever it is
- 7:44that kind of prompted you to pick up the phone and call or, you know, send
- 7:47the email or submit the form on our on on the website are so a couple of
- 7:51different ways you can reach out to us.
- 7:52You can there's a form you can submit on our website.
- 7:55You can give us a call.
- 7:56You can shoot us an email.
- 7:57So a couple of different ways and then we train our staff to answer
- 8:02any questions that you may have.
- 8:04Be as prepared on the front end going into that first session as possible.
- 8:08So we ask all of our new clients to fill out intake paperwork before
- 8:13they come in and it's through our kind of electronic system.
- 8:16So the therapist can get that intake paperwork even before the session starts
- 8:21and have a little bit more insight into, again, what is bringing you in the door.
- 8:27And so, yeah, your therapist is going to be asking what we call assessment
- 8:30questions, but essentially just like Wanting to get to know you and your
- 8:34story and what parts of your story you feel safe sharing in that first session
- 8:38and really like what is showing up for you like right now in the present that
- 8:42that does feel like it's getting in the way your anxiety, maybe your depression,
- 8:47your OCD, your relationship conflict, interpersonal relationship concerns.
- 8:53I don't know, body image concerns, whatever it is that's bringing you in,
- 8:57your therapist is just wanting to know more about it and how it's getting in
- 8:59the way in kind of your present life.
- 9:02Your therapist might ask you some questions about, maybe about your family
- 9:06of origin, so like a, what we might call like a biopsychosocial kind of assessment,
- 9:11if you will, a fancy word for it.
- 9:13So What was it like growing up in your family of origin?
- 9:16What was it like for you socially in your friend groups?
- 9:20You know, where did you grow up at?
- 9:22What was it like for you?
- 9:23That kind of thing.
- 9:24So that's, I mean, that's really like the first session.
- 9:26And then of course you're, you guys are setting goals.
- 9:29They are talking about like, okay, what are some, what are the three, four,
- 9:33whatever kind of main things that really want to be addressed and worked on because
- 9:37those goals are going to be such a helpful framework and map for the treatment plan.
- 9:42And the treatment plan is kind of what you're a therapist.
- 9:45Is, um, mentally creating, maybe some therapists write it out too, but like
- 9:52kind of creating just in terms of, like I said, that, that treatment plan moving
- 9:56forward, it helps give us structure.
- 9:58It helps give us some guidelines.
- 10:01It helps us know the direction we're going in the therapeutic process.
- 10:06Yeah.
- 10:06So goals come up in that first session, the first few sessions as
- 10:10you're kind of honing it on what, what the work is going to look like.
- 10:14Absolutely.
- 10:16Absolutely.
- 10:17Yeah, and it's meant to be, hopefully, collaborative, and so, you know, as
- 10:23we have progressed over the years, yes, your therapist hopefully is
- 10:27professional and an expert in what you are seeking support around, and We
- 10:33certainly want it to feel collaborative, like you are always aware of what is
- 10:39happening in the therapeutic space.
- 10:41I'm a big proponent of sharing when I provide a therapeutic intervention.
- 10:46You know, I will certainly say, The client's like, Hey, this is actually from
- 10:50acceptance commitment therapy and, you know, this therapy we really talk about
- 10:55separating from our thoughts, right?
- 10:56So I will name what I am doing as I am doing the intervention.
- 11:01And I think that certainly helps build safety and is collaborative in nature.
- 11:06And then at the end of the first session, one thing that I'm doing too, and I know
- 11:09that you do this as well, Lauren, is I'm asking clients if they have any questions.
- 11:13for me about the way that I practice or for me as a person, right?
- 11:18So I feel like my clients know me well and one of my values if you listen to the
- 11:22show is authenticity and transparency.
- 11:25And so they do know that I'm married to Sean, and that I have a daughter,
- 11:28Marianne, and, um, you know, a dog named Louie, who can be kind of wild at times.
- 11:34And so, that, I think, it's appropriate, but it does allow them to feel that
- 11:40there's some sense of, like, okay, I know my therapist, and I know who she is.
- 11:45And again, it's within appropriate boundaries and context, but I will
- 11:49certainly ask that at the end of session.
- 11:51I'll maybe ask like, how did this feel to you?
- 11:55You know, where was your anxiety walking in compared to the end of session?
- 12:00And most of the time, the anxiety does go down, right?
- 12:03Which is like a cool exposure if you think about it.
- 12:06But yeah, I'm certainly asking all of those sessions.
- 12:09Is there anything that you feel?
- 12:11Has it worked in your prior therapy experiences or anything that you
- 12:15didn't like about, you know, previous therapists, anything that was said
- 12:19or done that you just didn't love?
- 12:20And that's important for me to know too, just to keep an eye
- 12:23out for that in my own treatment plan, like Lauren's talking about.
- 12:27Those are just additional things in the first session or two that
- 12:30I'm checking in on with clients.
- 12:33Yeah.
- 12:34Yeah.
- 12:34Something else that you will find here or our clients find here with us.
- 12:42Kind of across the board is we really train our therapists on creating
- 12:48a sense of continuity between session, from session to session.
- 12:54Not that we as therapists aren't mindful of the different topics that
- 12:59may come up in different sessions, but maintaining a sense of continuity.
- 13:04Yeah, like I said, consistency or having a kind of a thread that helps bring
- 13:11past sessions and the process of past sessions or the content of past sessions
- 13:17along the ride or along the journey.
- 13:20And, and then we also train our therapist in giving homework.
- 13:23And so, if you're a client here, if you're a client of their practice and
- 13:26you're listening, you're like, yep, I get homework after every session, good,
- 13:29you shouldn't be getting homework.
- 13:31And that could be anything.
- 13:32And we say homework because that's like just the word that,
- 13:35you know, makes the most sense.
- 13:37But I mean, it can be anything from like, hey, here's this thought to take with you.
- 13:40Here's this journal prompt to take with you.
- 13:42Here's this worksheet.
- 13:43I'm going to email you a worksheet.
- 13:45Go read this book, listen to this podcast.
- 13:47And I'll see you You know, I will give homework to like, go have, go ask
- 13:53your partner how they're feeling, and then they ask you how you're feeling.
- 13:57Amazing.
- 13:57I'm like, what is this org that you're giving?
- 13:59I want to take it.
- 14:01So we just feel that kind of continuity piece helps our clients
- 14:06feel seen, helps our clients feel like we are tracking with them.
- 14:10And then the homework piece helps, I think, helps our clients feel like
- 14:14they're getting value from our time and they're able to take that value with them.
- 14:20Into their real life in between sessions.
- 14:22And so that just feels really important to us.
- 14:24So, so that's something that you can expect.
- 14:26I mean, my clients get that from me from session one.
- 14:29So like from the very get go, they get that from me and from all of us here.
- 14:35And so, yeah, that may be a something perhaps unique in some ways to anchor,
- 14:39maybe not, but that's, you know, that's a consistent thing that we try and really.
- 14:43Bring into the therapeutic process here for all of our therapists.
- 14:46And that's not to say as well that we all have different kind of styles, right?
- 14:51We all have different, maybe a little bit of a different way of like
- 14:54showing up and being with our clients.
- 14:57And maybe we, some of our therapeutic style leans more towards.
- 15:03Different types of, like, modalities or interventions.
- 15:07Actually, Laura and I were talking about this the other day.
- 15:09Laura, I think you were mentioning, like, how maybe with, like, body image
- 15:14work, you tend to be more behavior, behavioral, like, intervention heavy.
- 15:19And maybe I'm a little bit less behavioral, intervention heavy.
- 15:22And neither one is wrong or right.
- 15:25It just, it's just our kind of different styles, if you will.
- 15:28So We all have different styles and we try here at Anchor to really foster those
- 15:31different kind of styles of showing up therapeutically as well as maintaining the
- 15:36consistency of like, you're going to get homework, there's going to be consistency
- 15:41or continuity between sessions, there's going to be goals, there's going to be
- 15:45a treatment plan, you're going to be assessed well, you're going to be given
- 15:48the right appropriate recommendations.
- 15:51You're going to be, you're going to be encouraged to be seen frequently.
- 15:55You're going to be followed up with all of those things.
- 15:57Yeah.
- 15:58Yeah.
- 15:59Well, and again, we really want any client that walks through
- 16:02our doors to feel held, right?
- 16:05We know that this world can be cruel and harsh and.
- 16:08We want Anchored to be a safe space to land.
- 16:13Now that's not to say that we're not going to challenge you or push you or like be
- 16:19with you as you work through your trauma or You know, anything hard that's been
- 16:24through your life, but we really want it to be this like warm, safe spot to land.
- 16:29And so all of these things that Lauren is talking about is a
- 16:33part of the way that we practice.
- 16:34Yes.
- 16:35And what, just to kind of elaborate on what you shared
- 16:38with that whole work piece.
- 16:39You know, sessions are typically 50 minutes long, and so we know that a
- 16:44lot of life is happening outside of the hour that we get, the, the 50 minute
- 16:49clinical hour that we get with clients.
- 16:50And so the purpose of the homework is to really foster and cultivate this idea
- 16:56of doing the therapeutic work outside of therapy and noticing what comes up
- 17:02in your everyday life, and, Really, we know that a lot of change is even
- 17:06happening outside of our offices, and so that's one of the reasons that we give
- 17:11homework is because we understand that a lot of life is happening in between
- 17:15sessions, and we want to know about it, so that's what the benefit of like
- 17:18a journal prompt or tracking behaviors or, you know, spending time at the end
- 17:24of every day thinking about something hard that happened that day that you
- 17:26want to talk to your therapist about.
- 17:28It's really helpful for our work.
- 17:31In that 50 minute clinical session, just to really support clients in meeting
- 17:35those goals and an effective therapy, good therapy is hopefully your therapist
- 17:40is consistently returning back to the goals like, Hey, we had this goal
- 17:44around, you know, maybe you were trying to challenge yourself to eat pizza.
- 17:49How do you feel like that's going, you know, are we making
- 17:52progress towards your goals?
- 17:54Because we want all of our clients.
- 17:57To lead the filling wonderful, prosperous lives outside of here.
- 18:03And we want our clients to get better, whatever that means.
- 18:06for them in the context of their own stories.
- 18:09And so I have stayed in therapy over the years and it's really
- 18:13helpful to me and for me.
- 18:15I think it helps me be just, it helps me process, right?
- 18:19My different roles and the different responsibilities.
- 18:21And I really love having A third party.
- 18:24And I've also tracked towards my goals, right?
- 18:28And I am continually, you know, being asked by my therapist that I've
- 18:33seen, you know, over the years, I've had the privilege of looking with a
- 18:36couple of different therapists here in Nashville, like what progress
- 18:39I'm making towards the goals.
- 18:40And, you know, is there anything that we're not talking about that
- 18:43maybe I want to be talking about?
- 18:45That's another helpful question that your therapist hopefully will be
- 18:47asking you as you get to know them and as they get to know you as well.
- 18:52But yeah, that's really the benefit of homework.
- 18:55And even that skill of immediacy that you talked about, right?
- 18:58Like tuning in to like, Hey, how are you feeling in this moment about what
- 19:03we're talking about, what we're doing?
- 19:04Do you feel like this is helping you?
- 19:07Are you, and how do you feel about our session as a whole?
- 19:09That can be another piece too that's helpful.
- 19:12Yeah.
- 19:12Yeah.
- 19:13We really value that immediacy or being, you know, embodied with our
- 19:20clients present With our clients attuning to our clients in that moment.
- 19:25And so, you know, we train our therapists pretty extensively on
- 19:30using immediacy, being embodied.
- 19:32You, you can expect that with us here.
- 19:36So that, that attunement piece is being able to, you know, kind of read body
- 19:40language, read facial expressions, kind of read, read the room without maybe you
- 19:47as the client necessarily saying anything, but the therapist being like, something's
- 19:51going on, what's going on right now.
- 19:53Right.
- 19:53And so we really just value that as a really rich part
- 19:57of the therapeutic process.
- 19:59And so I.
- 20:01As you were talking about homework, Laura, I tell my clients that like 5 percent of
- 20:06their work happens in the therapy session and then like 95 percent of their work
- 20:10happens outside because you're outside of the therapy office significantly
- 20:15more than you are inside the office.
- 20:17And so again, that's one of the, that's one of the benefits or pieces of homework
- 20:22that can be helpful is facilitating that 95 percent of the work you're
- 20:27doing outside of the therapy room.
- 20:30So, yeah.
- 20:31Yeah, and when Lauren's talking about being embodied, there's all sorts of
- 20:34ways that we can do this as clinicians.
- 20:36Um, you know, I like to poke fun at myself and that's certainly a way
- 20:41to do it, laughing with clients, attuning to body language, checking in
- 20:47about, you know, their body language or maybe their facial expression.
- 20:52Those are all skills that I think are important for your therapist to have,
- 20:57whether you see someone here or maybe, you know, you're in a different part of the
- 21:00country and you see a different therapist.
- 21:02But those are all things that I think really, um, contribute to the therapeutic
- 21:07process and can really support you in feeling like you are seen and heard and
- 21:13understood because at the end of the day, that's what makes therapy helpful, right?
- 21:19So we heal in our relationships with others.
- 21:23We can also be heard by others.
- 21:25For the sake of this conversation, effective therapy allows us to heal in
- 21:30a safe place and we heal because of the relational nature of the, of therapy.
- 21:36Though, you know, we as therapists, we are relationship builders first and foremost.
- 21:42And so that's really the most important piece in our minds.
- 21:47And I think I can speak for Lauren when I say this around really those
- 21:51first few sessions and what to expect is Your therapist is inviting you into
- 21:58a safe relationship with them where we can explore all the moving pieces of
- 22:02your story, what is working, what isn't working, maybe your trauma history,
- 22:07all of it in this relational piece.
- 22:10And so as a practice, we really just first and foremost want to build
- 22:14relationships with our clients.
- 22:16And of course, as we go along, we might.
- 22:19Challenge more.
- 22:20We might get more feedback as we get to know clients.
- 22:24We might maybe even call them out right once we get to know them.
- 22:28But as far as the first few sessions go, we are really inviting our
- 22:32parents into our relationship with us.
- 22:35And I know that I just, I adore this work and I know you do too.
- 22:39So it's just such a privilege whenever anyone shares their story with us.
- 22:43And that's really what we're walking into session with is like,
- 22:46wow, what a privilege it is to sit with you and hear about your pain.
- 22:51Right?
- 22:51Most of the time when people start therapy, they're in a lot of pain and
- 22:55maybe you haven't ever shared that.
- 22:58Yeah, and I think, and I know this for myself personally, because I've
- 23:02experienced it, and then I know this from, from my clients, but if I've seen it, I
- 23:08think one of the most healing, Healing things for our pain, past or present, is
- 23:17for that pain to be bear witnessed to.
- 23:19So when somebody bears witness to your pain, I think there's, that is,
- 23:24I think that's where healing happens.
- 23:25And so that, like Laura said, that's what we're inviting you
- 23:28into is to say, Hey, I'm going to see, I'm, I will see your pain.
- 23:32I will sit with you in your pain.
- 23:33I will.
- 23:34Um, and then it's like the healing can happen in that safe place.
- 23:38And so that bearing witness to just feels really important.
- 23:41And I think ultimately here at anchored, that's, that's what we want to do well.
- 23:45And so all of the things that we've talked about, you know, in this episode of like,
- 23:48what can you expect as a new client?
- 23:51All of that, all of what we've, like I said, what we've discussed
- 23:54is to really foster that like safety for your pain to, to be here.
- 24:02Yeah.
- 24:02Yeah.
- 24:03Yeah.
- 24:04And I know that Lauren and I have both.
- 24:06benefited greatly from our own therapeutic experiences and, you know, we just feel
- 24:13such gratitude for them and their roles in our lives, the various clinicians
- 24:17that we've seen over the years.
- 24:19And so we are big believers in therapy and the therapeutic process as a whole.
- 24:24And of course, there's other things that we do, you know, as far as what to expect.
- 24:28I mean, we have water and tea and coffee and snacks.
- 24:31We love our snacks here.
- 24:33And we are constantly restocking those.
- 24:35But yeah, we try to provide, you know, kind of a home
- 24:39away from home, if you will.
- 24:40If you're, if your home is safe.
- 24:42For you, of course, but those are just small details that we are trying to
- 24:46provide for clients so that they feel safe and yeah, hopefully, you know,
- 24:52sometimes I know that you might not look forward to coming to therapy.
- 24:55Sometimes you might.
- 24:55So wherever you are on that spectrum, we welcome you, even
- 24:58if you're dreading session.
- 24:59I certainly have had times when I'm like, But then I go and I'm glad that
- 25:04I went and take something away from it.
- 25:07So that's our hope for every client.
- 25:09Thanks for being here, you guys, for this episode.
- 25:11We hope this has been helpful for you all as far as just expanding upon what
- 25:15to expect if you're new to therapy or maybe you've taken a break from therapy.
- 25:19Um, your homework, I will get the homework, and then Lauren can
- 25:23provide the affirmation, but your homework, if maybe you are new to the
- 25:28therapeutic process, is to journal about your fears of starting therapy.
- 25:33There's a lot of value in really naming the fear, and there's a lot of research
- 25:39around this that it actually, um, A lot of times allows the fear to go
- 25:43down and so to write out your fears and my challenge to you if you've been
- 25:47on the fence about starting therapy is to consider starting and to consider
- 25:51sending that email or picking up the phone and scheduling a session.
- 25:54If you're in the state of Tennessee, we would love to see you.
- 25:58And if not, we encourage you to reach out someone local to you.
- 26:01And then Laurie will close with our affirmation.
- 26:03Yeah.
- 26:04The words that were just coming to, to mind are kind of piggybacking off
- 26:08of what I was just saying a second ago, that your pain or your story or
- 26:13whatever, maybe trauma is from your story.
- 26:17And maybe those of you who've not done therapy before, it's been a
- 26:21while since you've done therapy.
- 26:23All of that is not too much.
- 26:26It's not too big for the therapy room.
- 26:28I mean, hopefully it's not too big or too much for anybody, but it's especially
- 26:33not too much or too big for us and these rooms that hold all of these stories.
- 26:39Thanks for being here.
- 26:40This was just such a fun topic to talk about today.
- 26:43Yeah.
- 26:43We're so glad that you all are with us on the Becoming Anchored podcast
- 26:46and we will see you next time.
- 26:48Take care.
- 26:48Bye guys.