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How to Feel Part of Something Bigger? · Life In Flow Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Life in Flow podcast.
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  The three of us,
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  Yulia,
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  Polina,
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  and Irina,
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  are exploring what Life in Flow and Flow in Life is.
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  Join us as we experiment,
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  test our diverse hypotheses,
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  and have fun in the process.
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  SPEAKER_02: Will we find an answer?
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  SPEAKER_02: This isn't just an intellectual discussion.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're co-creating a shared field beyond words.
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  We're attuning to what emerges moment by moment so that the
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  conversation itself
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  SPEAKER_02: becomes a group flow experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we invite you to become an active participant in this experiment.
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  SPEAKER_01: There will be pauses and moments of silence.
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  SPEAKER_01: We leave them on purpose because this is where magic happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go beyond the intellectual information.
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  SPEAKER_00: Listen with your whole body.
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  SPEAKER_00: and notice how your somatic experience shifts in the process.
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  Share with us what reveals itself in the space where mind,
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  body,
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  and energy flow together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the new episode of Life in Flow podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here we are again, Yulia, Polina,
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  SPEAKER_01: And I,
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  SPEAKER_01: Irina,
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  will be steering the flow today while we'll be diving into the
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  question how to feel
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  SPEAKER_01: yourself a part of something bigger.
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  SPEAKER_01: This project was born out of our search for group flow.
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  SPEAKER_01: We say that
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  Group flow is one of the most fulfilling experiences one may
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  have in life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we say that the more people experience group flow,
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  SPEAKER_01: the better the world will be,
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  SPEAKER_01: because we believe in it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if we define flow as being one with the experience...
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  Then group flow is being one with the experience and with other
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  people in it.
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  So it's like double oneness with everything,
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  all elements that are involved in the flow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we talk a lot about interconnectedness of it all.
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  SPEAKER_01: We say that we are all connected to the world that is alive.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we are always a part of this flow of life.
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  SPEAKER_01: this life being that is the world and the life.
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  So this aspect of being part of something bigger is an
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  intrinsic element of
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  SPEAKER_01: everything that we're exploring in this project.
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  SPEAKER_01: And today I would like us to explore deeper
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  SPEAKER_01: What does it mean to feel a part of something bigger?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why we as humans look for this feeling so much?
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  SPEAKER_01: What does it mean for us?
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  SPEAKER_01: And what this bigger could be
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  And how can we create more of this kind of experiences in our
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  lives if we can?
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  SPEAKER_01: As usual, we start our flow with our improvisation game.
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  And I will remind all of us,
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  to us and our listeners,
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  the rules of the game.
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  SPEAKER_01: I will say a word.
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  And following our awareness of our somatic experience of our
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  shared field,
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  each will share a story that emerges for herself at this moment
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  in association with
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  SPEAKER_01: this word.
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  SPEAKER_01: And while the others are listening to the story being shared,
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  Please pay attention again to the somatic experience that the
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  story creates in you,
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  SPEAKER_01: in your body,
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  and then share a story that emerges for you in relationship and
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  as a response to
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  SPEAKER_01: this somatic experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: We will not define the order, so let the story emerge as the goal.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the word today is transcendence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Descendence transcendence transcendence.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can you start us off?
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  SPEAKER_02: What do I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: What does it bring up for you?
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  SPEAKER_01: You always point to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't prepare any story, so I'm playing together with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um...
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  SPEAKER_01: So the experience that comes to my mind is some years ago,
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  SPEAKER_01: I went to the concert of Portis Hat in Barcelona.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is a group I love a lot,
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  SPEAKER_01: or it will be more accurate to say that I love a lot their first album.
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  SPEAKER_01: And many people find their music quite depressing,
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  SPEAKER_01: which might be an accurate description,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I really find this depressiveness really very beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so while I was listening to their music at the concert, I was...
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  SPEAKER_01: feeling in my body this sadness that the music produces in me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I realized that it's like they say in one popular Soviet movie,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's as if your soul were expanding and contracting.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I was...
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  letting myself flow with this expansion and contraction of my
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  soul and I realized
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  that sadness is one of my favorite emotions because sadness is
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  the process of
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  SPEAKER_01: transforming the pain into love.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at that moment,
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  SPEAKER_01: I felt as if,
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  SPEAKER_01: like in my heart,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was feeling all this,
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  SPEAKER_01: like the pain of the world,
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  SPEAKER_01: transforming in my heart into love that I was feeling.
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  for the whole world that was my story okay what came up for me
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  is another story not
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  SPEAKER_00: necessarily related to transcendence but about a year ago
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  when I had that experience with the breath of life that I
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  probably mentioned in
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  SPEAKER_00: this podcast,
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  SPEAKER_00: one of the other realizations,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  SPEAKER_00: not even realizations,
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  SPEAKER_00: but visceral experiences,
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  SPEAKER_00: when something happened,
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  SPEAKER_00: when you feel it in your body and you just know that this is how it is,
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  SPEAKER_00: was that I was at a very,
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  SPEAKER_00: very,
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  SPEAKER_00: very low point
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  in my life then and one of my experiences and realization was
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  that I was feeling a
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  lot of I'd say probably grief maybe also sadness maybe
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  hopelessness that was not
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  mine because I was actually feeding myself from this giant
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  river of the um
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, emotions that, I guess, humans and non-humans have somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the story doesn't, I guess, have a point.
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  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, for me, actually, the word transcendence and
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  it's somehow it steers me towards something that's about
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  avoidance or i actually
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  want to avoid something that's um like like here you are going
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  into the area that
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  SPEAKER_00: you can probably not cope with and um or like in my
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  SPEAKER_00: passion for experiencing everything with my body,
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  SPEAKER_00: transcendence often means that you actually transcend your human form,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that is also something that in me creates this contraction.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually have
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  SPEAKER_01: a lot of reactions in my body to your story,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I want to listen to Polina's story first before I share mine more.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't really have a story.
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  SPEAKER_02: Transcendence brings up overcoming something for me and overcoming
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  coming transcending so going beyond the limitations right going
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  beyond beyond what
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  the elements coming together are um it's actually the kind of
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  the story of my life
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  SPEAKER_02: so i don't know if i have one specific one but let's say
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  I wonder what other elements are in transcendence that maybe
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  are not coming to mind now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you have the definition for it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just wonder.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think it is about going beyond the limits of something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  I came up with the word of transcendence because I was actually
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  looking for
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  SPEAKER_01: something related to feeling a part of something bigger.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the definition that AI,
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  SPEAKER_01: the Google AI gave me,
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  SPEAKER_01: a sense of belonging,
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  SPEAKER_01: meaning and purpose derived from being connected to a group,
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  SPEAKER_01: force or idea that transcends individual identity.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it is about going beyond
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  limits of something right the definition i see what sorry what
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  were you saying i'm
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  saying trap the the uh is about the the root is about crossing
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  something yeah makes
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  sense so experience or existence beyond the normal or physical
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  yeah okay so
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  SPEAKER_02: actually that changes it a little bit um
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, it doesn't.
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  So immigrating to another country was a transcendent experience
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  because it went
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  SPEAKER_02: beyond the norm of anything I knew to be,
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  SPEAKER_02: the family unit knew to be.
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  SPEAKER_02: It went beyond the norm of the country.
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  it was like an out-of-body experience um in some ways yes the
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  body came with but
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  everything was so it was like landing on the moon in a way so
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  yeah that's uh that's
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  SPEAKER_02: what it brings up for me but honestly that's
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  really been the name of the game so there's probably a million
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  stories i could
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  share like going beyond the normal of who of who i think i am
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  or i experience
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  myself to be i mean that's happened at every major chapter and
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  and through each
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  chapter and not just physically and mentally but also and not
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  just emotionally but
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  SPEAKER_02: also energetically
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think that for me,
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  SPEAKER_02: that's where it lands the most,
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  SPEAKER_02: the ability to connect to energies,
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  SPEAKER_02: feel energies,
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  SPEAKER_02: circulate energies,
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  reflect energies would be the most somatic experience of
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  transcendence in my life
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  SPEAKER_02: currently.
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  It's very curious because when you were talking about the
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  immigration to the other
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  SPEAKER_01: country as the experience of transcendence,
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually felt this kind of expansion as going out of my skin.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you ended up talking about...
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  SPEAKER_01: connecting to the energies it really felt like physically like the the
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  transpiration process like we were talking about that we are
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  the poorest beings and
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  so like this is something that goes in me and out of me and it
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  actually connects me
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  SPEAKER_01: to
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  SPEAKER_01: to the story that came up to me while I was listening to Eula's story.
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  And it's actually,
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  it connects everything because it's continuation of my story
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  too.
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  Because once I realized this experience of sadness as
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  transforming pain into love,
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  SPEAKER_01: I also realised,
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  SPEAKER_01: and it was a recurring lived experience for me for many years,
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  SPEAKER_01: also leaving someone's pain as mine,
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  SPEAKER_01: although it's not mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Especially,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it happens to many of us who go into coaching,
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  SPEAKER_01: psychology,
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  SPEAKER_01: any kind of supporting professions,
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  SPEAKER_01: that our ability to feel...
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  SPEAKER_01: the other being is within us.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what creates us the possibility to support,
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  SPEAKER_01: but also creates this problem that we take in too much.
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  SPEAKER_01: But coming back to the transcendence piece, so like in my story,
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  the transcendence has like two aspects that transcending the
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  pain into love.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's like the,
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  SPEAKER_01: this transformation,
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  SPEAKER_01: it also goes from the limits of contraction into the expansion of love,
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  SPEAKER_01: but also the transpersonal experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: It relates to me to mainly, um,
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  family programs that I somehow find myself in the convergence
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  point of transforming
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  SPEAKER_01: all of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I live in my skin,
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  in my body through many pains that many generations before me
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  of my family trees
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  SPEAKER_01: from both sides have lived.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I somehow act as this transcendence point that
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  SPEAKER_01: convert all this pain into love for myself and for my family,
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  SPEAKER_01: for transcending all these programs.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I believe also for the rest of the world too,
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  SPEAKER_01: because as I mentioned several times,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I truly believe that any tiny shift in the state of one person
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  SPEAKER_01: creates the shift in the state of the whole system.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do we have any more stories to share?
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  SPEAKER_02: I actually just want to add that I resonate with what you described about
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  SPEAKER_02: transcending family patterns.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's definitely what is happening in this lifetime for me as well.
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  I like that you said you're transforming it as you're
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  transcending into love.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am not sure what exactly I'm transforming it to as I transcend.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um...
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  definitely something in in in the positive and more empowering
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  but i don't and i
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  there are definitely elements of love in there but i think
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  there's also some other
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  things and i'm actually curious to find out what those other
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  things are okay and it
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  came up for me but after you were talking that your whole life
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  story is about
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  SPEAKER_00: transcendence i was thinking hmm mine probably as well
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  And I could describe it as seeking experiences where I could
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  try out a lot of different faces.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I think maybe that's why I'm so enjoying the improv.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's so much fun to be where you can be anyone.
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  Now also transcending the human to human communication that I
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  was engaged in my
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  SPEAKER_00: whole life to,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the communication with plants,
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  SPEAKER_00: trees,
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  SPEAKER_00: other beings.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I guess it's a hobby.
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  transcendence as a hobby i love it actually it really it really
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  fits i feel like
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  that's that's i could describe it that way as well i love that
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  what is your hobby
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  SPEAKER_00: well let me think we have a catcher phrase
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  SPEAKER_01: Transcendence is a hobby.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well,
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  I'm sure we will find by the end many points how to weave the
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  stories we have
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  shared and reflections we have shared into the bigger question
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  that I want us to
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  SPEAKER_01: explore and answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Will we find an answer?
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: But one thing that I find curious is that...
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  SPEAKER_01: So we normally seek for this sense of belonging to something bigger,
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  SPEAKER_01: to a group,
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  SPEAKER_01: to...
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  SPEAKER_01: We will discuss it later,
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  SPEAKER_01: what this bigger is.
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  SPEAKER_01: As...
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  SPEAKER_01: Because we want to feel it as something positive,
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  SPEAKER_01: but curiously,
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  SPEAKER_01: the motive that also emerged is that the other side,
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  SPEAKER_01: this connection to the others,
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  how it may also be a difficult experience and something that
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  creates contraction
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  SPEAKER_01: and avoidance and wanting to run away from it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we will see how we can weave it all together.
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  SPEAKER_01: But let's continue sharing stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because my first question is...
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  SPEAKER_01: I want us to go down from the transcendence as something more abstract.
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  SPEAKER_01: into something more down to earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe not.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  So what is your most bright experience of belonging to
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  something greater than yourself?
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  SPEAKER_01: And how did you feel in that experience?
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  SPEAKER_01: And what did that experience mean to you?
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  I have so many stories,
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  but I'm just concerned that I might repeat the biggest story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway,
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  the biggest story for me was the one that I referred to that
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  happened last year,
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  SPEAKER_00: where I was
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  um yeah very low point in my life and i was at a breathwork
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  retreat with my um
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  earthwork coach and there were psilocybin mushrooms um and my
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  question was um you
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  know so what can i do to make myself feel better because i had
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  tried everything and
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  um i was like okay yeah i doubt that you can find anything you
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  can find anything um
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  SPEAKER_00: i don't know who you was but um
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  SPEAKER_00: What happened was my answer came not from inside, but from outside.
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  SPEAKER_00: And at that point,
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  SPEAKER_00: actually,
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  SPEAKER_00: it was quite a revelation because I think I had been so hyper-focused,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is...
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  SPEAKER_00: Why in the human, in the modern human tradition right now?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you know, the point of control is in me.
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  SPEAKER_00: On the one hand,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that I cannot be controlling so many things,
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  SPEAKER_00: but on the other hand,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  SPEAKER_00: it has to be me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who else, you know, who else could do it for you?
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  SPEAKER_00: And then there was this, like, so this, hmm,
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  very intense experience of heat in my whole body and of love
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  that was created by
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  SPEAKER_00: the breath of life and the breath of life was all the life
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  that i guess you know we can say we are surfing we discussed
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  this metaphor right
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  and um i mean that was so moving that i i didn't expect that i
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  didn't i i was like
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  i felt held i felt held by by life unexpectedly um yeah and
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  then there were like me
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  SPEAKER_00: invited by trees and other beings.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like, that story kept unfolding for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's still unfolding.
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  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, yeah, that's my story.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to point out that,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  don't worry that you are repeating this story because this time
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  when you were,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: describing the experience,
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually felt in my body this...
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  SPEAKER_01: sensation of being held.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's really very vivid.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, feeling, experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I'm repeating the word experience all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do we know this synonym for experience?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm afraid not.
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  SPEAKER_02: I also feel the energy of being held
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  SPEAKER_02: What is the question?
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  Because I always listen to you so fully that I have no idea
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  what the question was.
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  What is your most bright experience of belonging to something
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  greater than yourself?
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  SPEAKER_02: And greater than yourself,
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  SPEAKER_02: we don't mean necessarily whatever comes to you,
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  SPEAKER_01: whatever the definition you give to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: What can you feel belong?
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  SPEAKER_01: What can you feel belong belonging?
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I really that word
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  belong i don't know that i engage with that word or that energy
• 29:37
  mostly probably
• 29:39
  because i always felt like i didn't belong from the very
• 29:43
  beginning like uh so i
• 29:48
  think that the word that i more engage with is things are
• 29:52
  incoherence or they're
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: not incoherence
• 29:57
  um uh that's great but i'm sorry for interrupting you because i
• 30:09
  do want to steer
• 30:11
  into the belonging part so are you saying that you never felt
• 30:18
  any experience where
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: you felt that you belonged to something someone
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: something greater than yourself?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: I do hope you feel you're belonging here, no?
• 30:33
  Of course I do,
• 30:34
  but I don't know that I engage with that word even with us.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that you felt a part of something bigger?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: I feel a part of the two of you for sure in this project.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's in coherence.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: It feels like it's the right.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:55
  thing to be part of and and it feels good um maybe when i think
• 31:01
  about belonging if
• 31:02
  i have to i think that maybe my biggest experience of belonging
• 31:10
  was when i started
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: not just started during my transcendent process of
• 31:22
  shifting out of the old patterning and pain and shifting into a
• 31:27
  new way of being
• 31:29
  which allowed me a greater access to myself and not just myself
• 31:36
  in the here and now
• 31:37
  but myself energetically beyond the here and now maybe even the
• 31:42
  future self that
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: was a process of
• 31:51
  maybe feeling like i belong in this lifetime like there is a
• 31:56
  reason there's it
• 31:58
  there i feel the energy i i the more transcendence actually
• 32:03
  happened the more
• 32:04
  things shifted the more things became more coherent the more
• 32:07
  access i had to
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: not just the here and now,
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: but also like more of the future back to the here and now,
• 32:16
  that's when I felt like I could engage with the word belong
• 32:20
  because I understood
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: why I'm in this timeline.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: So then I felt like it belonged.
• 32:29
  I'm sorry,
• 32:30
  it's a little bit out there,
• 32:31
  but that's the story that I can share.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think I can relate to the feeling.
• 32:37
  And actually,
• 32:42
  the next question I wanted us to ask is to share the stories of
• 32:45
  not feeling.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: The sense of not belonging.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because I...
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: The rebelling sensation for me,
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: for my whole life,
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: also have been that I don't fit,
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: that I don't belong anywhere.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: Not completely.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: And for many, many years, it has been the cause of
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: let's call it suffering for me.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to find this place,
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: this group,
• 33:31
  this something bigger that I would feel that I belong and I
• 33:37
  couldn't until...
• 33:42
  I relate a lot to this part when you say I realized that I
• 33:46
  belong to this life at this moment.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: I also realized at a certain moment that it's just the way I am
• 33:58
  that I'm not built to be a part of something because my nature
• 34:05
  is about crossing the borders.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm always connecting worlds.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm crossing from one world to another.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm always on the border.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I can be in both, but I never belong fully just to one world.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it's okay, because this is who I am.
• 34:31
  And that gave me this sensation of inclusion into life,
• 34:38
  like this sense of my place in life.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I did have experiences of belonging
• 34:52
  into a group and really like in this good sense and get like
• 34:57
  the most bright
• 34:58
  experiences for me are the experiences of group flow and
• 35:04
  especially not when it
• 35:06
  just happens once like because the group flow may emerge
• 35:12
  spontaneously in a group
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: you're like
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: At this moment,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: just because everything converged,
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: all necessary elements converged together that created this flow.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: But when there is the group,
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: when this group flow happens on a regular basis,
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: and when you feel that you're like,
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: yes,
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a member of it,
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a rightful contributor to it,
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not only about my relationship with people,
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: only to me it always was like...
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Really,
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: for me,
• 35:53
  the belonging creates this good sensation that there is a place
• 36:02
  for me here.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: And this place with other people that I know...
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Again,
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: as they say in a different Soviet movie,
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: like I know when I come here,
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: things that didn't work before start working.
• 36:22
  This sensation that I contribute something that no one else
• 36:27
  could contribute to
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: this process in this group at this moment.
• 36:32
  But the most beautiful part for me in that group experience is
• 36:37
  it's not only just
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: that I belong,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: but as we also mentioned it,
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: that everything,
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: all the elements of the process belong together.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's this beautiful dance between each member of the group,
• 36:57
  each action that happens at the precise moment and they all are
• 37:04
  coherent together.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: They fit the pieces of the puzzle and it flows and there is a meaning and
• 37:18
  I think the biggest feeling that these kinds of experiences
• 37:27
  create for me is inspiration.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: There is this kind of awe that,
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: wow,
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: we can create this together and it just,
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: it emerges and it's,
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: it feels like magic and
• 37:49
  And at that moment,
• 37:50
  I feel love for those people and for us and for what we're
• 37:54
  creating.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it sounds like, wow.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: No,
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: in response to,
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Pauline,
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: what you were sharing,
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: that it's about you belonging in this lifetime.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Iren, you also shared.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think that is the kind of experience
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: that I had with this breath of life,
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: because interestingly,
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking,
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was always close to nature,
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: let's say.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: And yet I discovered then that my assumption,
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: and that's also from a conversation with someone,
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: most people,
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: they say,
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: yes,
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: we love nature.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then to the question, do you think nature loves you?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: They say no.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that had been my subconscious assumption.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: I never believed,
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: I guess,
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: that I was also loved and I was also accepted and I could truly belong.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: I could have a place, a great place for you.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think this was such a moving experience because
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden, I was separate.
• 39:24
  I held myself responsible for everything,
• 39:29
  or I held maybe other people responsible for things.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: But then all of a sudden,
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: I was accepted,
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: given a place,
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: given love,
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: given warmth,
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: and the whole flow of life.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that was very beautiful.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: I felt that.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: I felt that in waves of expansion.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: I actually, for the first time, I think, took a really deep breath.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for sharing that energetic journey.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: That was really cool.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I also felt it.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Again, the process of transpiration of energies.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, really cool.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: I want to say that I liked the
• 40:21
  The words you chose here to say that I'm welcome here,
• 40:27
  there's space for me here,
• 40:28
  right?
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's a,
• 40:31
  I feel like an easier thing for me to engage with when it comes
• 40:34
  to the word,
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: to the concept belonging.
• 40:38
  Because I have a bit of resistance to this belonging thing
• 40:43
  because like maybe
• 40:44
  there's a part of me that doesn't want to be identified by any
• 40:48
  one group or any one
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: thing.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to be me, whatever that is, not like...
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: You're in this group.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: This is your description.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is what we do as a group, you know?
• 41:03
  But I have to say that one of the most transcendent experiences
• 41:09
  of belonging,
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: but in the way that I talk about it,
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: was in Kasha's community.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: Because the name of the game there is approval.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like deep approval.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: unquestionable approval,
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: which makes you feel like no matter who you are,
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: what you look like,
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: where you come from,
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: it's all welcome.
• 41:38
  It's all automatically accepted and supported as this is just
• 41:45
  another human having
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: a human experience,
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: and then there's space for it.
• 41:49
  So it's like there's,
• 41:50
  it's all automatically welcomed and everyone in group
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: is holding space for that and whereas i don't necessarily again have that
• 42:04
  experience of belonging the way that that word is usually used
• 42:09
  but i feel welcome i
• 42:11
  feel like there's space for me and my experience is approved
• 42:15
  you know there's
• 42:16
  automatic approval which is not something i maybe necessarily
• 42:21
  experienced with the
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: two of you of course
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: that's part of the equation here, which is why I think it really works.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it creates such a sense of safety and openness and, right?
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I feel like we come together and it's just all,
• 42:40
  all good you know like just everything's welcome there's
• 42:43
  approval but I think that
• 42:45
  because our experiment was smaller I didn't fully yet get it
• 42:50
  what that means until
• 42:52
  I had the bigger experience on a larger scale and I was like
• 42:56
  whoa so if belonging
• 43:01
  is you are welcome there's room for you and there's approval I
• 43:05
  think then that that
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: that works for me if that makes sense
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: It does make total sense.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it connects me to several aspects of what I wanted to discuss.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because first,
• 43:42
  Why I wanted also us to talk about not just the experiences
• 43:49
  when we felt that we
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: belong,
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: but also when we had a clear sense of not belonging,
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: is because only experiencing clearly this not belonging may...
• 44:07
  create for us the basis afterwards to appreciate what does it
• 44:12
  mean this but when we
• 44:15
  finally find this okay like this is my place in life and i'm
• 44:21
  held and i'm accepted
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: and there is approval of just my being and and i think
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: This is a sense of just being accepted.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's like accept our right, our place, just our right for being.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: This is probably maybe what we're looking for.
• 45:03
  when we're looking for this sense of feeling a part of
• 45:08
  something greater i had an
• 45:11
  experience once it was many many years ago i and it was
• 45:20
  something like it was the
• 45:23
  mental realization so what's this like inside but at the same
• 45:26
  time it was not the
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: like the result of mental reflections,
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: but it's something that happened to me in the body,
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: like in the process I was sitting,
• 45:43
  in the cafe and I was writing down my diary,
• 45:46
  something,
• 45:47
  I don't know what.
• 45:49
  And I was looking at the people walking on the streets of the
• 45:54
  people at the cafe next to me.
• 45:56
  And all of a sudden in my whole body,
• 45:59
  I felt that everyone in the world was feeling lonely.
• 46:10
  And so everyone consciously or unconsciously was looking for
• 46:16
  this way to transcend
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: this loneliness,
• 46:22
  and that's why we are searching for this sensation of being
• 46:29
  part of something,
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: to overcome this separateness,
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: as Eric Fromm called it.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: But...
• 46:41
  so what i liked also and what you mentioned paulina is the fact
• 46:48
  that you like
• 46:49
  sometimes we might not feel not we might not want to feel a
• 46:56
  part of a group because
• 46:59
  again depending on our like energetic constitution our
• 47:06
  personality our like
• 47:10
  energy building,
• 47:13
  how we came to be in the world,
• 47:16
  we might be highly individualistic.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't mean it in a negative sense.
• 47:24
  And I hope we have one day the conversation about the
• 47:30
  individual versus the collective.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, like,
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: On one hand,
• 47:40
  we might have this intrinsic inclination to look for this sense
• 47:46
  that I'm held,
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm accepted,
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: I have a place in life,
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: in this world,
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: somewhere.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: But here I have a place.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: Here I feel accepted my right to be.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, it's not necessarily...
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: has to take form of wanting to form part of a group.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, there are people who don't like other people.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: And it's okay.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: It happens.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I like this definition that you're like...
• 48:24
  belonging meaning or purpose derived from being connected to a
• 48:28
  group cause or idea
• 48:31
  when we are talking here about this experience of okay i belong
• 48:35
  to this life we're
• 48:36
  not talking about like i'm feeling part of a group although
• 48:40
  well i did talk about
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: that my experiences
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: more related to,
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: to feel a part of a group,
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: but also it's about this,
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: this bigger could be an idea or something else.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: So look,
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: what,
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: what other,
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: apart from feeling part of life and part of nature,
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: a part of a group,
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: what other bigger could be?
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: Experience.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's a big connector for people,
• 49:17
  whether it's experiencing it together or coming together
• 49:19
  because of an experience
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: that you share in some way.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, thank you for saying it.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: This is the whole...
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is the whole definition of the flow state.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: When you are part, you feel one with the experience.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: So you are a part of something bigger.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: You're a part of the experience.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: It transcends your individuality.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's true.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think feeling a part of the experience is the biggest of it all.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: But then, so the...
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: the most interesting question.
• 50:12
  Wait,
• 50:12
  actually,
• 50:13
  I want to add something before you move on to the next
• 50:15
  question.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: Please.
• 50:17
  I want to say that now that we've had this conversation and I
• 50:21
  had a chance to
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_02: reflect and it all synthesized in my head,
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_02: Julia was actually my first point of contact with feeling approved of.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: That experience when we met, the way she was able to hold space,
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: I really felt approved.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't have to perform.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't have to be a certain way.
• 50:47
  She welcomed whatever I was going through at the time,
• 50:50
  which was pretty tough stuff.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I just really felt approved and welcome.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: And for the first time,
• 50:58
  maybe there was a flicker of what it could be like to feel like
• 51:04
  you belong.
• 51:06
  even though it was not the type of belonging that we think of
• 51:09
  where you have to
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: like attach and,
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: and confine and define.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like a box.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: No,
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: it was like,
• 51:15
  it was really approval and belonging in the moment in us just
• 51:19
  coming together with
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_02: no specifics to it.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: And that was also a huge lesson for me that it could be this,
• 51:26
  it could be this loving and this grounding and this caring and
• 51:30
  disapproving.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't,
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: have to have definition beyond when we come together.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_02: That was really cool.
• 51:38
  I just had to add that because that was a huge pivotal moment
• 51:42
  for me and I think
• 51:44
  it's what made all the experiences I've had recently that more
• 51:49
  powerful and that
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: more conscious.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Pauline, it means a lot, first of all, and it's very mutual.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I had goosebumps because I,
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: I had also quite unique experiences being with you.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_02: I had to call it out to the space because it's really,
• 52:20
  this is where that belongs here in this conversation because
• 52:24
  it's part of it.
• 52:26
  and it's beautiful non-verbal is such a big part of it um like
• 52:34
  where you also have
• 52:39
  this freedom or feel that like you're free to be with that
• 52:47
  person without words and
• 52:52
  It's just,
• 52:54
  I guess,
• 52:54
  field or whatever,
• 52:55
  something going in between and there is a space.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's really cool.
• 53:16
  I do have a question to move forward,
• 53:18
  but I just wanted us to...
• 53:20
  Yes,
• 53:21
  please do it.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: I needed to add that so that we can move on.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to claim it.
• 53:38
  So the question is,
• 53:41
  and we ask this question very often in our discussions,
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: How can we facilitate this sensation of belonging,
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: being a part of something bigger,
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: greater than ourselves?
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: And can we?
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because,
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: for example,
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: from the experience that Jule shared,
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: it seems like that it just happened to her and then
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: You wait for it to happen to this transcendence,
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: to this realization,
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: this insight,
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: this experience in the body.
• 54:29
  And also,
• 54:31
  we say,
• 54:32
  Balina,
• 54:32
  you were talking about feeling the approval from the other
• 54:37
  person.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: So someone has to create this space for you when you feel approved.
• 54:47
  And when the other people don't take upon themselves this,
• 54:52
  then what then?
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: Can we create somehow for ourselves,
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: facilitate it,
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: this sensation of belonging to something bigger,
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: or at least belonging to life,
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: to the breath of life,
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  SPEAKER_01: being held by life?
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think so.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think that that's actually what I've described through my shares today.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, I'm jumping in, Yul.
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  So for me,
• 55:27
  it was very important and pivotal to have an experience of
• 55:31
  approval from others.
• 55:32
  Yes,
• 55:33
  that was part of the equation,
• 55:34
  but also part of my experience with transcending was,
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: the connection to my higher self,
• 55:44
  my future self coming back to the present moment and then
• 55:47
  feeling like I belong in
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_02: this timeline.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then all of those elements together
• 55:55
  helped to create approval for myself meaning i don't need
• 56:00
  approval from others when
• 56:03
  i am out in the world because i approve myself and i think that
• 56:07
  transcends all the
• 56:10
  other variables when we're talking about it may ask what does
• 56:16
  connection to your
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: higher self involve
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_01: How do you like if,
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: for example,
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea how to connect to my higher self,
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: what advice would you give me?
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_01: How can I find it?
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, for me, it was energy work.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think also it's just something I came in with.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_02: I was always able to fill energies,
• 56:51
  but then when I started doing more directed energy work with
• 56:58
  connecting to...
• 57:03
  I think I've mentioned the frequency work was something that I
• 57:06
  did for many,
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_02: many years,
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_02: I actually learned through observing,
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: witnessing,
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: and experiencing what it means to connect to your higher self.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so I'm just able to call that in now.
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  It's always on,
• 57:23
  but when I put my attention and consciousness on it,
• 57:28
  it actually amplifies.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_02: And more recently,
• 57:32
  I learned how to really connect to the earth in a way that I
• 57:36
  never have before.
• 57:39
  again,
• 57:40
  also thanks to Yula and all of her nature and all of those
• 57:45
  elements she brings in.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_02: so it is,
• 57:51
  it's not meditation because it's really running your energy in
• 57:55
  a different way.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: And when I am fully on,
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: the system is fully on and I'm energetically connected,
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_02: I actually do experience a different sense of being in the here and now.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm able to hold that space for others.
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  Uh,
• 58:15
  in IFS language,
• 58:16
  it would be,
• 58:17
  it would be,
• 58:19
  you know,
• 58:20
  you're really connected to self energy.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_02: They actually have that language.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_02: So it's really cool.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_02: Internal family systems, um, which is a therapy approach.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
• 58:33
  It's really cool that a little bit of a metaphysical extra
• 58:39
  aspect is now also in therapy.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think that really speaks to the direction of where we're all going.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry if I'm going off course a little bit,
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: but there are specific techniques for how to do it,
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: and it's just what I practice on the daily.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: Of course,
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: we maybe don't want to dive into the details of specific techniques,
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: but what I take for myself,
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: it's really about paying attention to the energy,
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: to...
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: And walking with oneself,
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: of course,
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: like when we're talking about,
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: things like a fast things with,
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_01: like walking with one spots and therapy in a therapeutic process,
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: it's just.
• 59:40
  in a walk of self-awareness yeah but there's also a an aspect
• 59:46
  of amplification when
• 59:48
  you actually bring this into your more of your consciousness
• 59:51
  and awareness it
• 59:52
  actually amplifies the field for you and and and for whatever
• 59:57
  moment i i agree i
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_02: agree it's it's julia yeah julia
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_00: What comes to mind is something that we discussed in our last episode,
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_00: and that was about removal,
• 1:00:15
  and we discussed social conditioning and who we are as humans
• 1:00:21
  beyond social
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: conditioning.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: If I look at those experiences of belonging, of having space,
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: of just being and not having to do anything,
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_00: to say anything,
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: just swimming in this,
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: space where I'm at home.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think the social conditioning was removed.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, at least to some degree, of course not to...
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: those experiences were, for me, largely nonverbal.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: And, for example, it was about
• 1:01:13
  Breathing and hyperventilating was one was my first one where
• 1:01:17
  you just turn off
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_00: your neocortex that's responsible for thinking.
• 1:01:22
  And then I found myself just being so content in love and
• 1:01:27
  totally connected to
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_00: everyone in the room.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: At that point,
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_00: probably not everything in like not the bigger part of the pulse of life,
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: but was a very big highlight.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then other experiences,
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: they also were facilitated or happened when that removal took place.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you peel the layers that act as your protection to belong.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not all the layers,
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: and you can choose to which layers and how many layers to peel off,
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_00: but then
• 1:02:11
  you end up being more porous and being able to exchange with
• 1:02:22
  humans and other
• 1:02:23
  beings what we have in common and we do have in common a lot of
• 1:02:28
  things like a
• 1:02:30
  recent experience that i had was at a voicing ritual and i
• 1:02:34
  mentioned it to you
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: But two hours, six strange people who saw each other for the first time.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: And we were just voicing.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: We were like vibrating with our whole bodies, the whole two hours.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: The facilitation was great, the human facilitation.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_00: But then at the end of it was total...
• 1:02:59
  belonging with each of the people that we're seeing each other
• 1:03:04
  for the first time
• 1:03:05
  but also with the bigger pulse of life because we were
• 1:03:10
  literally with our bodies
• 1:03:12
  like praying to something to whatever to whatever the prayer
• 1:03:20
  was directed at with
• 1:03:23
  the whole body and the voice and being totally held by the rest
• 1:03:27
  of the people
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: so peeling off layers of social conditioning,
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_00: which is well done with breath,
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: for example,
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: with all this somatic stuff,
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: with movement or with dancing and music and connecting them.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it's still like a group flow experience.
• 1:03:52
  What you're describing is a lot of these containers are really
• 1:03:55
  with other humans
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_02: doing some kind of shared activity.
• 1:04:01
  But also with flowers,
• 1:04:05
  let's say,
• 1:04:05
  you also have to be in the space of not thinking.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: That means not conditioning, right?
• 1:04:12
  You want to go for sensing and for not being who you are in the
• 1:04:18
  human world to the
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_00: extent that it's possible.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't...
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still at the very beginning of that exploration.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_02: Me too, yeah.
• 1:04:31
  But I actually,
• 1:04:33
  just quickly gonna share that I gave a workshop this past
• 1:04:39
  Saturday and
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_02: being in a room together with the other humans, right?
• 1:04:46
  And playing,
• 1:04:47
  experimenting with whether we should be accepting these
• 1:04:50
  limitations or not.
• 1:04:52
  And maybe there is actually a different way that is possible to
• 1:04:56
  show up when
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_02: there's other humans involved in that exploration and activity.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_02: And then there's riffing between, right?
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: And there's group exercises.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_02: I witnessed it.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_02: I witnessed it.
• 1:05:10
  how the energy went from like here to here and it was just like
• 1:05:15
  expanding and
• 1:05:16
  become more was becoming possible and there was approval
• 1:05:19
  because oh those those
• 1:05:21
  humans also have like these saboteurs and this also shows up at
• 1:05:24
  work and like the
• 1:05:26
  so the approval piece was really expanding this like group flow
• 1:05:30
  experience and
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_02: really helped everyone to
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_02: To really,
• 1:05:34
  truly walk away where they could have very easily gotten either
• 1:05:39
  shut down or
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_02: compressed or just been like,
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_02: whatever,
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_02: But so this group thing,
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_02: even though I'm still not into the whole belonging thing,
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_02: but the group thing,
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_02: there's something there.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah.
• 1:05:57
  But I also think that the piece of the removal from the social
• 1:06:02
  conditioning makes
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: total sense because indeed,
• 1:06:08
  like if it is like feeling this deep unconditional approval is
• 1:06:15
  the prerequisite of
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_01: feeling this belonging or feeling a part of something.
• 1:06:26
  or the feeling of being held,
• 1:06:31
  then in the society,
• 1:06:35
  it's very difficult to get...
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: to transcend this necessity to get approval from the other people.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or there is another extreme,
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_01: you're like,
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care what other people think of me,
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_01: but it's still the other side of the same coin.
• 1:06:55
  So it's all about this game,
• 1:06:59
  the tug of war,
• 1:07:01
  between the shelves of the egos,
• 1:07:04
  right?
• 1:07:08
  And I was thinking that indeed in many processes when in a
• 1:07:18
  group or when I'm doing
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_01: it on my own,
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: this deep...
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yet a shift in the state,
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_01: the internal state,
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_01: when I can be not only centered,
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_01: but also deeply connected to my roots,
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_01: to myself.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then I may allow myself to be open in the moment to whatever happens.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: Then when this happens in the group, then this...
• 1:07:52
  this feeling of shared belonging emerges because that indeed we
• 1:07:58
  can allow ourselves
• 1:08:00
  to be poor as beings and to be interconnected between each
• 1:08:07
  other because there is
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: no need for a mask.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: There is no need for this separation.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: But it is indeed...
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: like we mentioned it, to get this sensation of approval.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes this experience,
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_01: just receiving it from someone else gives you this base,
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_01: the experience that you're like,
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_01: ah,
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_01: this is how it felt.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: I can be this way.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's possible for me.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: But more often than not,
• 1:08:51
  I think it's about the inner walk,
• 1:08:53
  you know,
• 1:08:54
  like finding this inner approval for myself.
• 1:08:59
  And then I can connect to the trees and to the breath of life
• 1:09:07
  to other people or
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: through the cosmos.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_02: There's an emergent property then.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_02: When you approve of yourself,
• 1:09:16
  then there's this emergent property of being able to find the
• 1:09:22
  welcome and the
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_02: approval,
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_02: whatever container you're in.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I also think that there is still the piece of the awareness walk.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's about paying attention.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_01: One...
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_01: favorite therapist of mine,
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_01: the woman who I follow and I love her teachings dearly,
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_01: she often gives this exercise
• 1:09:57
  that she presents exactly as the tool for cultivating this
• 1:10:03
  sense of belonging to
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: something greater.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: And she calls it the gratitude for Chinese workers.
• 1:10:13
  And it's actually,
• 1:10:14
  there is the classical Buddhist meditation that is similar to
• 1:10:21
  this exercise.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: It just invites you to think of, like,
• 1:10:28
  all the people involved in anything you're interacting with in
• 1:10:33
  your daily life,
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_01: like this piece of clothes,
• 1:10:37
  like how many people were involved in creating it and bringing
• 1:10:42
  it to me so I could
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: wear it.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_01: And in the same way,
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: like everything that I'm using in my life,
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: there are millions and millions of people
• 1:10:57
  involved in all these details of my day to day,
• 1:11:04
  like ordinary experiences.
• 1:11:07
  And so just creating this awareness opens up this possibility
• 1:11:13
  of awareness of our
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_01: interconnectedness.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_00: And this brought up a recent experience that I had when I was in Russia.
• 1:11:30
  And again,
• 1:11:31
  it was a nonverbal experience of very deep connection and
• 1:11:37
  holding.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it was in a banya in the sauna where I did
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_00: some procedures,
• 1:11:49
  like being what do you call it with the with the twigs being
• 1:11:58
  spanked with the twigs
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_00: with the trees.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway,
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_00: it doesn't even matter what kind of procedure it was,
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_00: but it was it involved another person taking care of you.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_00: And somehow for me, it was
• 1:12:15
  very distinctive how good these women were in taking care and
• 1:12:27
  holding others they
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: like fully fully embrace their role because like I shared with Irina
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_00: I, of course, I get those cosmetic procedures or massage or whatever.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_00: I go to people who provide some services.
• 1:12:47
  I think there was a difference either maybe in Russia a little
• 1:12:52
  bit that women
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_00: embrace more fully at the risk of sounding,
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: whatever nationalistic,
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_00: but I think they embrace more fully the feminine
• 1:13:06
  nature of taking care but anyway anyway these two they just
• 1:13:13
  created such incredible
• 1:13:15
  experience for me where i was like wow thank you thank you for
• 1:13:22
  being there for me i
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_00: totally felt like that i was
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I belonged in the experience,
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_00: certainly,
• 1:13:32
  but also they were demonstrating something to me that I could
• 1:13:36
  also model and
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_00: spread.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_00: I was just so heavenly, so, so heavenly.
• 1:13:47
  For several days,
• 1:13:48
  I was in this experience,
• 1:13:50
  being physically held,
• 1:13:51
  being emotionally held,
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, can you give us more details?
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_02: Because energetically, it's so freaking, oh, I want more.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_02: Can you describe a little bit more how they did it,
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_02: like the different elements that were present?
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_00: in one example,
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_00: in one case,
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_00: between those being spanked with the twigs,
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_00: she took me to a cold pool.
• 1:14:26
  of water and she did this like okay now you just lie down on
• 1:14:30
  the water and i'm
• 1:14:32
  going to be holding you i was lying on the water and the way
• 1:14:38
  she was holding me was
• 1:14:40
  totally like you know nothing else was needed i was i don't
• 1:14:49
  know accepted approved
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_00: belonging made space for
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_00: in my totality.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so we were there for,
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how long,
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_00: by the end of it,
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was starting to get worried now,
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_00: maybe I'm getting to be too much for her.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like,
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, you stay.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then she described it to me.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this is the sensation that we're looking for.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Have you got it?
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we can stay for as long as we want to.
• 1:15:25
  And then she was like,
• 1:15:26
  okay,
• 1:15:28
  what we want to create for you is a sense of space,
• 1:15:33
  cosmos.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_00: And she was facilitating this experience to help me feel cosmos.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, how are they embodied?
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what were they like?
• 1:15:45
  Because I'm having a hard time imagining Russian women and
• 1:15:50
  holding this energy.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_02: Were they older?
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_02: Were they younger?
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, they were.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was younger than me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Early 40s, maybe.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they were trained in something specific.
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  SPEAKER_02: This wasn't just a regular banya where you just go and someone like...
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  SPEAKER_02: By the way,
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_02: for the audience,
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  SPEAKER_02: you're not actually being spanked.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was joking.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's more about circulating the heat or using these twigs and leaves.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it creates a really...
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  like circulation in the body,
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  but also you're circulating the air,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And the heat.
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  SPEAKER_02: Am I right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Also,
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  you are connecting with the twigs and with the leaves and with
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  the trees and with
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  Banya and with this person who is there and with the universe
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  and with the space.
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  SPEAKER_02: The experience you would describe as divine.
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  I want to go and see those specific women and I want to have
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  that experience too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you,
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  SPEAKER_00: they also in the second Baya,
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  SPEAKER_00: they also look,
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  they were like totally embodying their roles of being like a
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  little bit of Baba
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  SPEAKER_00: Yaga,
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  SPEAKER_00: but then more caring.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they were wearing even,
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  clothes that were very special in their posture and everything
• 1:17:15
  about them was okay
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  this is we create this space we hold you in this space we have
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  this connection and
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  unity with everything that is used here and I mean of course
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  it's a lot about
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  SPEAKER_00: nature because they use special twigs or plants or
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  um you know yeah so that was wow thank you for sharing because
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  i feel like i have a
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  little bit of what you experienced in my system now it was like
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  so energetically
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  generative love it oh yeah wow and this is the good generative
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  space to start
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_01: wrapping up our conversation
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it's also bring us to the point,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's not only about finding it in the outer world,
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  SPEAKER_01: this holding space,
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  SPEAKER_01: but also from ourselves allowing for the space for the world,
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  SPEAKER_01: for the other to take care of you.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: And that takes us back to the topic of trust.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it was a wonderful somatic experience, this conversation.
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  Really many goosebumps and energetical transpiration and the
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  energy flows between us.
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  So in one,
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  two,
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  three words,
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  what are you taking from this conversation today?
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  SPEAKER_01: What we could close up.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want to go to the banya with Yula and you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_01: I want to be more...
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_01: space of belonging,
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  SPEAKER_01: not only between three of us,
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_01: but also belonging with the Russian culture,
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  SPEAKER_01: Russian heritage.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's another aspect of being part of something greater.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_00: This is very true.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is very true.
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  SPEAKER_00: This also,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  went to my core because it was coming from that place and it
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  was also belonging to
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  SPEAKER_00: the place that was there.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that were my words.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I take with me deep, unquestionable approval.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's something that we're looking for in the others,
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_01: but also it's something that we need to cultivate within ourselves.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it takes us to different sense of being,
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_01: which allows us swimming in this space where we're at home.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_02: Also,
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  I'd like to leave with maybe setting us up for another
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  conversation about approval,
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_02: because I almost feel like we need to reclaim approval.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Because approval used to belong in this weird,
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think,
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_02: category of you want approval,
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_02: but you shouldn't want approval,
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like all these dualities around it,
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_02: all these like paradoxes,
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_02: and then rebelling against approval,
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_02: There were all these different things that I also experienced.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_02: And then to end back...
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_02: and back up at a place where I love the experience of having approval,
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_02: and not specifically for me,
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_02: but I mean just approval from one human to another,
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  to be welcomed with whatever the spectrum that they have of
• 1:21:19
  their human experience,
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_02: that approval,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think,
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  SPEAKER_02: really is a powerful reclamation.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it goes straight to the wiring of us, right?
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_02: The social animal creatures that we also are.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_01: And on that note,
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  I want to invite our listeners to share their stories of their
• 1:21:48
  experiences of
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  SPEAKER_01: feeling a part of something bigger,
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_01: of feeling this unconditional approval and being held by the world,
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_01: by the life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what it means for them.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_01: We give you this approval.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we invite you to our space.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_01: And we thank you for this experience.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:22:22
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• 1:23:08
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