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- Cameron Cummings: We'll just do one at time anyway. Welcome to the Cameron's Conversations podcast. And in today's episode, I have got Lainey with me as well, who is looking very tanned at the moment as well, because it is rather hot down south, if I'm not mistaken, as well. But we're going to talk all about Lainey's current fat loss phase, how she's finding it, how she's getting on with it, what the challenges are, and what's been good about it. Obviously, getting your steps in and in the sun's probably been a bit easier than it would have been a few months back. So that's definitely a perk. But how's it been so far? Lainey: Okay. Well, this is the first time I decided I wanted to coach myself and see how I got on because I've always had a coach since the beginning of my body transformation journey back in 2022. And I thought, no, let's let's try and coach myself because also just to put myself in the shoes of my clients, you know, I've been there before, but keep it fresh in my mind, the struggles, you know, when the scale won't move despite your best best intentions. despite quote-unquote doing everything right. And it's been real eye-opener and really interesting. And because my physique's in very different position to what it was when I first started, so I've got more muscle and I'm more active just generally in life, just to see how my body would respond and sort of find my maintenance as well. Because I was not tracking for a bit as well, which was fun. And I was growing. Cameron Cummings: Yeah. Lainey: But yeah, I get my ducks in a row and I had a photo shoot that I booked with my coach before I took a break from her. And I thought, know what, I'm not gonna do it because it's too much pressure. But then I found out I couldn't back out of it. So I basically, basically it was all sort of paid for. I couldn't say can I have my money back? And I thought, well, okay, let's do it then. But that was six weeks before the photo shoot. And normally I'd have 12 week run up to that. Cameron Cummings: Yeah. Yeah. So a nice that's a nice short time. And of course, like there's a big gap between six and twelve weeks, right? That's a huge, huge, huge difference as well. So how how have you been finding that? Because obviously, like you say, like one of the good things about a photo shoot t style deadline is that it does create a little bit of an impetus to be like, ⁓ shit, like I need to get on with this diet, which is good. Lainey: Yeah. Cameron Cummings: But there's also like pros and cons with lots things, right? Sometimes it also creates a little bit of pressure. So how have you found navigating that aspect where you do need to have a sense of urgency to a degree, but you also don't want to stress yourself out because again, putting loads of pressure on yourself doesn't make a difference either. You know, you can only turn up, do your steps, hit your calories, and do your training. Like you can't speed it up any more than that, really. There's a limit to that. So how have you found navigating that aspect of it? Lainey: Well, do you know what? I mean, I'm happy with the progress now and I've had what we call a whoosh this week. So it was holding, it was holding, it was holding and then suddenly it went down a kilo and there are lots of things involved there. So I'm pretty sure I didn't ovulate three months ago, which can have a knock on effect, which meant that I had a really early period. That's going to really mess with everything. But we'll talk about this on another podcast, but I don't want to blame my hormones all the time. If I... If I'm completely honest, there was bit of fanning about in the beginning and I had to really check my accuracy in tracking because I am a sucker for the peanut jar and it is right by the tea bags and... Cameron Cummings: Yeah. That's a dangerous place for someone who likes a cup of tea and likes peanut, by the way. Like that's a really dangerous that's a dangerous mix and a dangerous setup, isn't it? Lainey: Yeah, it could literally it could almost be a soft serve ice cream but with peanut butter in that cupboard the amount I was dipping in there with a spoon it's just disgraceful but my husband doesn't know that I was well he does now but I did use a clean spoon but the tiniest teaspoon if you weigh it it's probably more of a tablespoon because if you do a level we talked about this on a call actually the other week Cameron Cummings: Yeah. Yeah. Lainey: level teaspoon is just is so much so so little so you know you're probably having three times that and if you're not that's 100 calories a go you know Cameron Cummings: Yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent. And it and it adds up so quickly. I mean, it's funny you're talking about this because in a lot of recent podcasts, this has been a like a subject that's come up in a lot of check-ins too, is that like ⁓ tracking accuracy is a killer. The amount of times that people will feel like, ⁓ I need to drop my calories down. And it's like, are you being completely honest with yourself about how good your tracking is? And a lot of the time it becomes it's like you say, it's like one or two little habits like that. A lot of parents as well, like the nibbles and bites when you're making the kids' dinner, or you know, if it's on the end of your kid's plate when they finish their meal, like it still counts, sadly. It's not just free. ⁓ yeah, exactly. Like those kind of things, right? And it the problem is is like 100 calories from the peanut butter twice a day, then you have a few bites and nibbles, and before you know it, you're 250 calories up. And for someone at your body weight, like in the 60 kilo region and from from kind of what you've seen on Instagram, like. Lainey: ⁓ yeah, remember those days, yeah. Cameron Cummings: That's there's not that much margin, right? You can't get away with 250 more calories or 200 more calories. Or you can, but it means your weight loss is painfully slow. You're stuck in the twenty mile an hour zone, right? For forever. So yeah, super frustrating, isn't it? Lainey: Yeah. Yeah. And there is the other factor, like you said, when the weather's crap. I mean, I am a summer person, 100%. And, you know, not front loading your day with steps. think starting the day with steps, if you can, is so key. Instead of winging it and hoping that like, oh, I've got, you know, basically I upped my steps to, well, at the moment they're at 14,000, but they were at sort of eight to 10. and just getting 6,000 done and hoping that you'll just do the rest because of walking around the house and doing random things. I don't think it's the best strategy for your mind as well because you're not psychologically, consciously putting that effort in to do your steps. But we need to change the vocabulary around getting steps in as well because that makes it sound like a chore. So, yeah, if anyone could think of something better for that to make it more of a growth mindset, positive mindset, let me know. Cameron Cummings: Yeah. Yeah. I'd ⁓ I mean I agree with that sentiment as well. Like I I don't know if you find this too, but one of the things I like about a weight loss phase a lot is because a lot of the time when you're in a weight loss phase, you you're a little bit more deliberate with things like hitting steps. It means you spend more time outside. So you actually often feel the benefit of it. Like you feel like you have more time to clear your head, you often feel better activity wise as well. I'd say you get a tan, but I'm Scottish, so that's just a pipe dream. But Lainey: Thank Yeah. Yes. Cameron Cummings: But you we can all dream. It's all it's always good to a aim high. But I think it's really, really nice because like I see so many clients and I and I say this a lot, like, yes, you've got additional calories expended, of course. That's part of the reason we're doing it. But also I see so many people feel better. Like so many people get in that habit of you come home from work, or God forbid you work from home, and then you're already at work, and then you just sit on your sofa and then you just feel crap and then you make worse food choices, not because you're, you know, like not got willpower and all this, but because your energy levels are in the toilet, I mean, you you know, because we we obviously both work from home, like if you don't go out and get fresh air and you've been at a laptop for eight, nine hours, how do you feel? Because like I don't feel very good. I mean, I love what I do from work and like we're both super passionate about this. And this is good context, right? Is we both absolutely love what we do in our actual work. But my body, my brain still don't function on 10 hours of me sitting at a laptop and me feeling fantastic. Like I need to get some fresh air or go to the gym. So I think that's the other selling point, isn't it? Is like it makes such a difference when you go out for your steps, you also feel better as well. Never mind the weight loss element of it. Lainey: Definitely. And that is literally biology, isn't it? Our bodies weren't designed to be at desks. And I really feel for people when they work from home, because I always thought that that would give a little bit more flexibility. And I think it can, but we just have to, when it's with ourselves, and I'm very much, know, once I'm hyper-focused on something, I can get in the zone and I don't want to come away from it, but actually coming away from it, moving your body gives you that mental and physical space from it where you can come back refreshed. and approach things once again. So it's very important. And you don't want to end a working day sitting in a chair by going and sitting in another chair, in another room. Cameron Cummings: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's it, is it just doesn't make you feel very good. And I think one of the things, because this was a great conversation that came up with a client who's actually shifting towards being self-employed, she's kind of doing part time now, but is is slowly shifting. And she was asking about this. Like one of the things I often say is you have more autonomy qu in terms of your time, but you have to be a little bit more disciplined with it because no one's gonna come over to your desk and, you know, be like, ⁓ do you wanna go for a coffee or should we go for a quick walk out in the sunshine, you know, at lunch or whatever? It's on you. And it's kind of like one of those little harsh truths of like, if you don't have a commute anymore, and you're not a parent trying to drag ⁓ you know, screaming child out the door and trying to get their shoes on, obviously that's a bit different. Just ignore this if you are, because this is not relevant. But for you know, someone in in I kind of my position and and yours now, Lane, I guess, as well, it's like if you're able to use that commute time to go for a walk, that's a really valuable thing. But sometimes what happens is people slip into that, like, I'll just sit and scroll on my phone before I start the day. And it's like, well, If you're getting to the end of the and you're like, ⁓ I missed my steps again, but your day starts with you getting out of bed, faffing around, probably sitting in bed a bit longer than you should on your phone, that actually might be the answer there as well. So it does take a little bit more discipline on the balance of things. But yeah. So on a kind of slightly different note, talk to us about how much weight you've dropped so far and what you're seeing physique-wise, because I think it's fair to say. Lainey: Right. Cameron Cummings: Like quite a big difference in your physique for the amount of weight you you've dropped so far because you've come off the back of a what looks like a really successful muscle gain phase. Lainey: ⁓ thanks, Cameron, that's made my day. Cameron Cummings: It's just just my way of saying that you've got bigger biceps than me and I'm very upset about it, Laney. But we're that's it. ⁓ she's she's now posing as well. So now I feel ⁓ that that the signal going now, that's the signal going. Lainey: Hey! ⁓ no, is it. But you know what, when you hear it from someone else, because your mind can play silly buggers, know, a lot of us might have this, you know, I think a lot of us have a bit of body dysmorphia, especially if you've been really lean before. I know bodybuilders suffer from this. I have a friend who is a therapist who works with a lot of them. it's, once you've been super lean, it's very hard to see the change yourself sometimes, but that's why the photos are so important. But even if you've not been super lean, just your brain will play silly buggers. So I started reining it in a little bit with the snacks before I started tracking. ⁓ So I imagine I was probably about 65 kilograms. ⁓ But I think from when started tracking it was 64.8. And then it was super slow, but that week averaged 64.3. So... already it was averaging down a bit. But then it stuck and that was when I found the tracking accuracy thing I needed to sort out. And also there were some days when I was so busy because I was still at the gym then as well. And it's amazing how many PTs agree that when they're on the gym floor, probably in the worst shape of their life because it's so hard to fit in your training as well. And it's so lovely working with all these amazing clients. but I hadn't been particularly strategic about getting my own training in too. So yeah, so then the next week it was just a little bit slower and I maintained and then I was like, okay, right, maybe this is more my maintenance now. So I had dropped my calories to 1950. Bearing in mind I was strength training three days a week, doing about eight to 10,000 steps. Not doing any cardio at the moment. Cameron Cummings: Well, if you c if you can get away with it, you can get away with it right. I mean, ⁓ you know, we often talk about this, like cardio is one of these things, it's like almost like a lever you want to pull on when you need to, if if it's not something you do for fun. 'Cause obviously if you already run and you enjoy it or you already cycle or you play Bamma or whatever the hell it is, like cardio's great and actually It can be such a good thing. But for most people, like it's probably not the first place you start with your weight loss anyway, is it? It's more of a lever that if you're someone who's like, Actually, I'm not a massive, massive fan, I prefer my strength training, you're probably gonna lean on it later rather than earlier. So that kind of makes sense for you potentially as well. Lainey: Yeah, I have to say my entire body transformation journey probably 95 % of that was without cardio. Even though I do do cardio, do cardio guys, do cardio, it's good for your heart. Cameron Cummings: Do do do cardio. Do cardio, but Laney doesn't do any cardio. That's that's what we're basically saying. Lainey: I love swimming but it was just fitting it in and also I paddleboard and I walk really fast but that's steps and I've taken up roller skating recently as well so midlife crisis. Cameron Cummings: Yeah, I saw this. This is this is ambitious as well. I love that. Lainey: Anyway, so yeah, back to my really interesting journey of ⁓ stagnant weight loss. I dropped the calories and what was really good at that time was to just talk to fellow coaches as well because there was quite a big community of people I've met through Instagram and ladies in the same boat. So, and it was just, again, very much being honest with myself. Am I giving this everything? Am I really being as disciplined? as I'm showing on paper because chances are I wasn't and I wasn't. So yeah, dropped my calories and then things started shifting and then I plateaued again, which was the hormonal element where I had the rogue period. But also not wanting to blame it on hormones all the time, but it was a reason. So I think the worst thing anyone could do in a situation, which I might have done in the past was the weight's not coming off. I'm going to hit the fuck it button. It's not working, but it's literally physics, right? So energy, I know people talk about it's more complex than energy in versus energy out. Yes, there are the complexities involved in that, but it is energy in and energy out. know, if you're, yeah, if you're in a calorie deficit and you are ticking the boxes, truly honestly, ticking the boxes and you're increasing your movement, which is going to create more of a deficit. Cameron Cummings: Yeah, a hundred percent. Nick. Lainey: and you're not eating back your exercise calories, you make sure that's all disconnected, you will lose weight. And if it hasn't moved, that's just because it takes a while for it to kick in. You think about you're not gonna drop a kilo. Sometimes you might drop a kilo over light I have this week, but that's because I was retaining water and it just takes a while. you think of ⁓ fat loss, you don't just suddenly wake up overweight one night, do you? Cameron Cummings: Yeah. Yeah. It's a Lainey: It is gradual over time. So it only makes sense that over time, gradually, it's going to come off too. It's just that we always want results yesterday when we're in a state of despair. You know, I completely feel and have been there before. Cameron Cummings: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think it's really normal, isn't it? Like I often say this is like if we want to be a bit technical about it, is weight loss and fat loss aren't the same thing. Like over the long term, they often are in terms of what you'd see on the scales, right? But Laney could quite easily be in a 500 calorie deficit a day and do that for 10 days and see very little movement because what she's also seeing at the same time is a bunch of bloating and a bunch of water retention because of hormones, right? So you can have a fluctuation there. So From a weight loss perspective over that 10-day period, you could say, Well, you've seen bugger all progress. And in a sense, that's true. You actually haven't lost any weight. But from a fat loss perspective, you've still been in a 10-day, 500-calorie-a day deficit. So you're 5,000 calories down. Like that's just the physics of it, right? That hasn't changed. And then all of a sudden you wake up two days later, you've had that change in your hormones, and you've dropped, you know, like 0.8, 0.6 kilos overnight. Now it's not like you had a magical day on Friday where suddenly you're like, ⁓ point six kilos has just come off because I ate this magical apple or whatever it was or a special peach, or like I ate differently or did anything differently. A lot of the time you just show up and then it's this very much a lagging measure. I always joke that like your weight is a little bit like a wonky fuel gauge that catches up. So it always catches up in time, but from a like a day to day basis, it can really fluctuate. You can have the best day ever. And see nothing happen on the scales the next day. And that doesn't mean that you weren't in a calorie deficit. Ultimately, if you're hitting your, you know, however many thousand steps, you're training, you're moving, your body still burns the same amount of calories. That doesn't really fluctuate, right? You're just expending it as normal. It's your actual weight, which is your water, salt intake, all these other things, digestion, if we want to get really glamorous, right? But in the moment, it's so frustrating because you want to see that like gratification of seeing the scales go down. But then, like you say, Lainey: No. Cameron Cummings: out of nowhere you see like a big jump down and you're like, ⁓ I feel that feels great. But it wasn't that that day before was magic. It was just all the work he did before for ten days, right? So Lainey: Yeah. Yeah. So just going on to one of the strategies that I've been using. My protein I keep very high. ⁓ I'm on about 140 per day ⁓ and I am a greedy bugger. I'm just always like, you no matter how much I drink, it's just ingrained in me, eat all the food. But I love that. I love it that I've managed to get to a point where I've got the muscle where, mean, when you've got quite a bit of muscle, I don't know, I think there is a different hunger. Like I need food now. ⁓ But filling up, and I tell this to my clients as well, fill up, think about, yes, you can be a greedy bugger, just with the right stuff. So think about how can you make your plates bigger? I think there was a call we were on the other day, I think Louie knows this lady who creates meals the size of her head. And I started following her on Instagram and I just, I'd love that mentality. But think about, know, some days I have 13 portions of fruit and veg, you know, Cameron Cummings: Yeah, which is which is Mecca, I when when you put that on Instagram, I was like, I thought I was doing quite well 'cause I I'm I'm pretty like so I'm really lame and and boring and mathematical. So I'm like aim for point eight to one kilos of like fruit and veg a lot of days and stuff. Like I'm really like I'm my brain just likes numbers. So I'm not suggesting by the way that you have to cal calculate the amount of grams of veg. Please don't do that. That's just Cameron being a psycho. Lainey: What? Cameron Cummings: But ⁓ I I was looking and I was like, thirteen to fourteen potions is outrageously good. That is very good going. So yeah, I Laney's outdoing me on the veg and fruit intake. That's really good going. Lainey: Well that's 10 portions of veg, isn't it, if you're 0.8 of kg? That's, Cameron Cummings: Yeah, pr probably in that region. Yeah, probably in that region. Lainey: because it's 80 grams per portion. So good effort for you too. And also, yeah, so it's like, yeah, I want a massive, massive portion. And it's just about swapping things out. So people worry about going over their calories and things like that and not getting their protein in. But just building every meal around lean protein, just being a bit more, I tend to use a spray oil, not that Frylight stuff, but just an oil spray. That really helps if I use oil. Cameron Cummings: Yeah, yeah. Lainey: and just adjusting things, taking a little bit from carbs or fats so that you can hit that protein count, so important. I love breakfast, favourite meal of the day, bit obsessed about it. Just food, food, food, food, food. But the snacking was cut out. Now the thing with snacking for me is just so habitual, crisps, peanuts, I know they're trigger foods, so I had to cut them out. You don't necessarily have to do that if you love them, but I know for me... I will just dive head first into a tube of Pringles and demolish them. So my husband sort of said he feels a bit like an alcoholic because he's hiding all the snacks. I asked him to hide all the snacks. ⁓ Cameron Cummings: When you say hiding, does that just mean he eats them? ⁓ just out of your is that is that the strategy he just like, Yeah, yeah, I've hidden them and then you'll like in a month's time you'll be like, actually I really fancy some peanuts, just left some calories and and you'll be like, ⁓ well Lainey: Yeah. Maybe, maybe. I have found us hiding places before but not recently. Yes, yeah and then because I realized the clock was ticking and things hadn't moved much I dropped my calories again and now don't do this at home kids because I have dropped them quite low and I recognize you're doing quite an aggressive part of your cut at the moment as well is that what you said. So they are super low. I'm obviously not going below my Cameron Cummings: That doesn't surprise me somehow. Yeah. Lainey: my basal metabolic rate and I've upped my steps to 14 to 16 thousand a day but I'm enjoying them. But it really has affected my training because I just don't have enough fuel in the tank. I'm not going to be getting PBs in an aggressive deficit but the important thing is to do the movements, do the exercises so that you retain that muscle and that you're losing body fat and not muscle. But it's only for two weeks that I'm dropping it this low then I'll go back up to about 1550 maybe even 1750. ⁓ as I continue to lose over the summer. ⁓ But I think hydration as well, I think not having just a drink there, having a drink, actually drinking a significant amount of your water and then filling up your glass again to take it with you if you have it next to you I think is better than filling it up and then just taking the odd sip. Do you know that purposefully drinking that water for those people who struggle to drink it, you've got to... It's to be really sort of purposeful and conscious about it's not just an afterthought. If you have to up it, have a good old guzzle of the stuff and then fill it up and then sip from it. That would be. Cameron Cummings: Yeah. Yeah, I think it can be a good thing as well. I certainly have a lot of clients who find that as there, whereas I'm like the polar opposite, think like e I I'll neck like three, four glasses of water across the course of like an hour easily if I can. Like I'm always constantly bit. Yeah, I think if you're someone who naturally doesn't drink a lot, sometimes you do like having it in front of you is good. But also just being a little bit more intentional about it's probably better as well. Because, you know, if you go if you're that type of person who's like, ⁓ why do I feel so crappy and I've got a headache and like I wonder what's going on? And it's like you've had Lainey: Ruff. Cameron Cummings: a thimble full of water in 12 hours. It's like, I mean, I I I had a relief, I actually did a podcast on hydration literature a few days ago because I was having a conversation with a client who's yeah, I'm just having this awful energy slump. And I was looking through your food diary and I'm like, not really seeing anything obvious here. And I was like, what's your hydration like? And they're like, ⁓ and they told me and I was like, you're basically like having the amount water a mouse needs. I'm like, there's just I'm like, I'm surprised that you are like still functioning as a human being. Never mind. Lainey: I know. Cameron Cummings: So yeah, it's it's a basic thing. It's boring. Like everyone like turns off a bit. I think when you hear about hydration, it's probably the least sexy thing ever, but it matters. So yeah, I absolutely love that. So with with the kind of like progress that you've seen, what what have you noticed has changed the most for you as well then? And what how have you felt about your progress? Because that's what was a really good question. You said it was messed with your head a little bit, sometimes maybe feeling more, sometimes feeling less. So let's talk about that. Lainey: you I love in a dieting phase or a cut as we often call it, I love the focus that it gives me and that purpose and having something to work towards. I really love that because with the snacking element, if you are a super snacker like I was born, that's my DNA, you never get used to It actually makes you more hungry. because you're just so used to needing that fit. It's kind of like an addiction really. It's a good thing I never touched heroin. Because it used to... Bit moreish, isn't it, I think? But... And it is just kind of like a habit. And then as soon as I remove that, was like, do you know what? It's just, it's not even the hunger, it's the hit. So removing that... Cameron Cummings: Yeah. I I that's one way of describing it, yeah. Lainey: just makes me feel so much more hyper-focused and I can enjoy my meals more because I can really bulk them out and be really greedy with them. I've got down to... I'm really pleased because even though I've done this so many times, still at the ripe old age of 45 and a half, I still worry that there's always in the back of my mind, maybe I'm just getting too old for this, maybe I'm... And I know it's not the truth because I'm not old, I'm young, but it... It's about, you have so much control over what you put into your body, what you do with your body. Yes, there are some things out of your control, like the hormone. If you're putting the right things in your body, moving your body in a way that supports you and doesn't completely burn you out, ⁓ then you'll be fine, you know? Cameron Cummings: Yeah. I think this as well, like something you touched on that's like just such a nice sentiment around it is it's sometimes the easier option to be like, ⁓ it's because I'm w insert age, doesn't matter what age, rather than like you said, it's it's actually the teaspoons of peanut butter. Like it's it's easier to if we're honest about it, right? It's an easier excuse to make to be like, ⁓ it's because I'm, you know, this age or whatever. But you know, I have like clients, I literally have a client in our mid seventies who's after all these years of dieting, literally, I guess better part of what, 50 plus years of dieting, is in the best shape of her life and has got completely on top of which is so cool, totally different relationship with food. And she was like, there's at every age, she's like, she was like, ⁓ at 30, I felt like my metabolism was slowing down. And I thought that was it. And she just like realized it was actually much more to do with her snacking and her just her food. And I think this is it. It's like it's not as big. I mean, when you actually look at the research, it's a I always joke that it's a bit confronting because when you look at the research, Lainey: Yeah. Cameron Cummings: And actually, what age does to weight loss, it's not that impressive. Like it doesn't influence weight loss anywhere near as much as we think it does. For most people, the big driver when it comes to age slowing weight loss down is a lack of activity. That's what happens, is most of us get older and get less active. That's typically what happens if you look at the statistics. And the thing is, the research is confronting because it's kind of like actually, it might not be your age, it might just be the fact that. Used to walk 5,000 steps more. And guess what? That's an extra couple hundred calories a day, which over a year is rather a lot of calories, right? So I think that's a good, ⁓ like a really nice frame for it as well. Is like it's easy to have that moment. And even you as a coach can get in your head about that. But the reality is maybe a little bit different as well. I always joke, there's so many bits when you actually look at the science, you're like, ⁓ maybe it's not age. That's terrible news. Like now it's my fault. This is awful news, but then it's actually within your control, right? Which is the upside. Lainey: No. Exactly, that it's always about focus on what you can control and there's so much you can do. So yeah, navigating the foot fanning around the first three weeks, and then really seeing some head making some headway I'm now two point sorry, 3.3 kilograms down in coming up to six weeks, which is actually exactly where you'd want to be. You know, that's averaging just over half a kilo a week, right? Cameron Cummings: Yeah, which is a really, really good pace for someone at your body weight and and relative leanness as well, 'cause you've got obviously got quite a lot of muscle in your frame as well. That's really, really good going as well. That is actually like a very solid and this is the thing, right? Great example of like you can get in your own head and feel like that's not fast enough. And I you have at points, but that's actually a really good rate of weight loss. But it just shows you even like everybody has that experience, even a coach who's been through it before. So it's quite nice probably for people to hear that as well. It's like it's to to feel that's to be human a little bit, isn't it? It's just normal. Lainey: I think also, you know, having tracked pounds in the past, obviously it's 2.2 pounds to a kilogram. So in the past, you know, that association with, you know, one pound or you go to Weight Watchers, ⁓ well done, you've lost a pound this week. think Peter Kay's joke was I shit a pound or something like that. Cameron Cummings: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Lainey: But even a pound is really, really good, but it's just that we've come from this diet culture of quick fixes and lose, you know, lose five pounds in a week or whatever. that change into kilograms does help sort of rewire your brain as well, because it's just a different dynamic, but it can look slower if you're used to Cameron Cummings: Yeah, a hundred percent. I'd agree with that. Less of an emotional tie, but logistically, because it's two point two four like smaller as an interval, right? Because it's point two three, two point two four pounds. So it's obviously gonna feel like a little bit of a smaller drop. But no, that's really cool. And it's really great to hear how you you found it as well. So you have smashed it and I look forward to seeing how you get on with your ⁓ photo shoot. You're definitely looking tanned enough for the photo shoot as well. You can tell you've managed to get out in the sun. Lainey: Well, do you know what? I've booked a spray tan as well. But someone shared Louis' picture from his spray tan before his photo shoot. it's, mean, yeah. Cameron Cummings: ⁓ well. ⁓ gosh. ⁓ gosh. ⁓ it's phenomenal. It's it's ⁓ yeah, it's a cracker. When I when I had to because I did a photo shoot as well and I got my first spray tan, that was just it was really funny because it the whole experience, like this north of Scotland lad going into like some tanning salon and I was like, I have no idea what I'm doing here. I always felt so out of place. It was really funny. And it was funny because they have the little, you know, the little tent things. I don't know what you call them, but yeah, the little tent things. I was about a foot too tall for it. Lainey: Yeah. Cameron Cummings: So I was a nightmare as well, because obviously I think all her clients are normally female. So I was standing in it. So say it again? Yeah, I I don't know. They just had a little ⁓ whatever it was in the corner of the room. So I had to like hunch in that. I was like, this is just awful, just every bit of it. She was lovely. She was actually great. ⁓ the person who did it. But I was just like, ⁓ everything about this is terrible. ⁓ I think my girlfriend was a bit worried about me, to be fair, but ⁓ Lainey: they take the roof off? Did they take the roof Cameron Cummings: Yeah, I would say it's worth it. I don't know. Was it worth it? It's worth it for th photos, I guess. But ⁓ yeah. So anyway, you are smashing at Laney. So I thank you so much for coming on for this one. And if you guys are interested in one to one coaching, the link is in the show notes for that. But otherwise, we'll speak to you soon. Lainey: Good. Take care.