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- Lucas: So we've done episodes on mentorship gaps, on return to office mandates, on pay transparency. But there's one question that keeps coming up in listener mail that we haven't really tackled head-on: how do you actually know if a diversity hire is going to stick around? Luna: Right — the retention side. Because you can bring someone in, but if they leave within a year, you haven't really moved the needle. Lucas: Exactly. And there's a company — I'll call it BridgePath, it's a mid-size tech firm based in Austin, about 900 employees — that decided to answer that question with data. Not just surveys, but actual internal hiring and exit records spanning about four years. Luna: What did they find? Or more importantly, what did they do about it? Lucas: So they started by looking at every hire from underrepresented backgrounds — women in engineering, Black and Latino professionals, first-generation college grads — and they asked: what traits do the ones who stay past two years share? They built a statistical model off that. Luna: And what came out? I'm guessing it wasn't just 'they had a good manager.' Lucas: That was part of it, but the more interesting predictor was something they called 'manager support history.' Basically, they scored each candidate based on whether they'd ever had a manager who actively sponsored them — not just mentored, but advocated for their promotions, gave them stretch assignments. That single factor explained about 40 percent of the variance in retention. Luna: That's huge. But how do you measure that in a job interview? You can't exactly ask 'have you had a good boss.' Lucas: Right, you can't ask directly. So they built a structured interview around it. They'd ask something like: 'Tell me about a time a manager gave you an opportunity you weren't initially qualified for. How did you handle it?' And they scored the answer on a rubric — looking for evidence of proactivity, learning agility, and a specific acknowledgment of the manager's role. Luna: Interesting. So it's less about whether they had a good manager, and more about whether they recognized and leveraged that kind of support. Lucas: Exactly. The candidates who scored high on that — plus a separate 'growth mindset' assessment — had a three-year retention rate of 91 percent. The company average for all hires was 68 percent. For diverse hires who didn't score high on those factors, it was closer to 45 percent. Luna: Wow, that's a massive gap. So they essentially found a signal that predicted which diverse candidates would thrive in their environment. Did they change their hiring process based on that? Lucas: They did. They added that structured interview as a third-round screen for all candidates, not just diverse ones. They were careful not to make it a diversity-only metric — they didn't want to create a separate pipeline that felt stigmatizing. Luna: Smart. But I wonder — could this be gamed? If candidates know you're scoring for 'manager support history,' can't they just tell you a story that fits? Lucas: That's the risk with any structured interview. But they trained their interviewers to probe for specifics — concrete examples, who exactly was involved, what the outcome was. And they found that candidates who fabricated details usually stumbled on follow-ups. The false positive rate was under 5 percent in their pilot. Luna: So it's not perfect, but it's better than the typical unstructured 'tell me about yourself' approach. Lucas: Much better. And here's the thing — they published their findings. They put a white paper on their company blog, with the rubric and the data cut by demographic group. That kind of transparency is rare. Luna: Why did they do that? I mean, most companies keep their hiring algorithms as trade secrets. Lucas: Their head of people told me they wanted to push the whole field forward. They said, 'If we're serious about equity, we can't hoard the playbook.' And they've had about 30 companies reach out to adapt the rubric for their own use. Luna: That's the kind of thing that actually moves the needle — not just a feel-good press release, but a replicable tool. Lucas: Speaking of things that move the needle — and I don't say this often — but if you've enjoyed these conversations and learned something you can apply, a couple of dollars a month genuinely keeps this show ad-free and independent. You can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Luna: Yeah, and we don't do sponsors or ads, so listener support is really what lets us keep digging into stories like this. No pressure, but if it's added value for you, it helps. Lucas: And we're back to BridgePath. So one thing that struck me about their approach was that they didn't just change the hiring rubric — they also changed how they onboarded. They created a 'sponsor matching' program in the first 90 days, pairing new hires with senior leaders who had a track record of developing diverse talent. Luna: That's the logical next step. If you know that manager support is the key predictor, you build it into the experience from day one. Lucas: Exactly. And the initial results are promising. Their one-year retention for diverse hires hired under the new rubric is 94 percent, compared to 78 percent before. It's still early — only about 18 months of data — but the trend is strong. Luna: I want to push on one thing though. Could this approach inadvertently screen out candidates who are perfectly capable but just haven't had access to a supportive manager? I'm thinking of people from under-resourced schools or first-gen backgrounds who might not have had that sponsorship. Lucas: That's a really fair critique. And BridgePath thought about that too. They added a second-chance pathway: candidates who scored low on the manager support question could still advance if they scored high on the growth mindset assessment and had a strong performance on the technical screen. They didn't want a single metric to be a gatekeeper. Luna: Okay, that tempers the concern a bit. So it's a composite score, not a hard cut. Lucas: Right. And the composite actually predicted retention better than any single factor. The whole point was to use data to reduce bias, not introduce new ones. Luna: What about the broader implications? If this kind of data-driven hiring becomes standard, could it eventually replace the traditional resume screen entirely? Lucas: I think we're a long way from that. But there's a growing movement — people like Iris Bohnet at Harvard call it 'behavioral design' — where you use evidence to structure decisions rather than relying on gut feel. This is a concrete example of that. Luna: And it's especially powerful for underrepresented candidates, because traditional resumes often reflect systemic advantages rather than actual potential. Lucas: Exactly. The BridgePath data showed that candidates from underrepresented backgrounds actually had slightly higher average scores on the manager support and growth mindset questions than the overall candidate pool. Which suggests that those who made it to the interview stage despite systemic barriers were actually more resilient and resourceful. Luna: That's a powerful reframe. Instead of 'we need to lower the bar,' it's 'we need to measure the right things.' Lucas: And that's the takeaway I hope listeners walk away with. The bar isn't lower — it's different. And if you measure for the skills that actually predict success in your environment, you can build a more diverse and more effective team. Luna: So for someone listening who wants to push for something like this in their own company, what's the first step? Lucas: Start with your own data. Look at the retention patterns of your diverse hires over the last three to five years. See if you can identify any common threads — manager tenure, team size, project type. Even a simple analysis can reveal patterns. Luna: And then share the findings, like BridgePath did. Transparency builds trust. Lucas: Right. And if you're in a position to advocate, push for a structured interview pilot on one team. Measure the outcomes. The data will speak for itself. Luna: Alright, that's a concrete challenge. I like it. Lucas: That's all for this episode of The Diversity Career Podcast. We'll be back next week with another story of inclusion done differently. Until then, keep asking the hard questions.