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Your Nervous System Is Talking. Are You Listening? · Not All Business

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What if waking up at 3:00 AM terrified isn't actually a sleep
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problem, It's your nervous system trying to tell you
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something? This week, we're talking to
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Christy Steinbach, a practitioner of traditional
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Chinese medicine and acupuncture with 35 years of experience,
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who's seeing an unprecedented wave of anxiety and insomnia hit
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her patients since the start of 2026.
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It's not just you. We also debrief my van life
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debut, complete with a naked coffee shop I definitely did not
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visit and a 91 sleep score I will never stop talking about.
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And the pit for pup update is here.
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People are buying pull up bars, equipment recommendations are
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flying. The bedding pool is almost open.
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So welcome to Not All Business, a podcast by two former CEO's
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who went from competitors to friends.
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I'm Blakely Graham and my Co host is Heather Cooper and we're
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joined by our producer Clay Cornell.
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Now let's get down to business. Hi, it's always so weird when we
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start. Well, it's double weird because
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all three of us have been on vacation.
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And so it's like, where have we been?
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Like we all like are in our chairs.
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We just got home last night and we're like.
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I know, and also it's weird because we didn't plan it that
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way. No, that is weird.
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Why? Isn't that weird?
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Where? Were you guys?
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I was. I came to Fort Collins to come
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hang out and you guys weren't even.
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Not Even so funny that you came to Colorado and we both.
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Were not here. I don't think it's funny.
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I think it's it was planned. I think you heard and then
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you're like, let's get out of here.
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Yeah, and he did it after I had already organized a dog sitter.
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Otherwise you could have just watched the dog for me.
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So thanks a lot for that. Oh, you guys, can I tell you
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quickly this? I wasn't planning to talk about
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this, but it's just. A sad dog story.
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Is it a dead dog story? I don't do well with those.
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It's just upfront. Is it a dead dog?
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Story not I have one of those, but I don't want to share that.
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That's really hard. No, this is a we were going on
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vacation, our dogs that are moved out of town or other dogs
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that are isn't available. And so I'm like, why don't use
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this opportunity to get our dogs trained and send them to boot
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camp? And so we've had a couple of
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friend use this woman and she's like 105 star reviews.
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I don't have any time to organize it.
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So I'm like, Scott, you just organize it, like just get it
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going. So he happily just like took
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instructions and organized the whole thing.
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I didn't really research her. And so we are, we like show up
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and we've got to get on a plane in like an hour.
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So there's not a lot of time. Dropping them off.
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Just dropping the puppies off. So we drop the puppies off.
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It's bad. It is so bad.
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She goes well, they obviously have an anxiety attachment.
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Super judgmental. That's why they're here.
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Wait but was this a boot camp or it was a dog?
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It's a boot camp, it's a dog boot camp.
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They're there for two weeks. And so she gave us this book.
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She goes, I want you to read this because these are the
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expectations when you get back. So she gave us a book.
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And so we're sitting in the airport club and there's this
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like 90 day plan where they have to be picked up in like this
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crash test dummy crate. They have to have two crates at
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home. They have to have Playstations.
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We're not allowed to greet them for the 1st 5 minutes when we
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come in the door. They can't sleep on the bed,
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They can't get on the furniture. They have to like remain in
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their crates at least an hour and a half a day.
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They can't sniff anything on the walk.
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They have to heal. And I'm like, I've never done
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any of that. Hold on, I was going to say
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these are not puppies. I mean, Stevie's a puppy, but
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the what's your other ones name? Jovi.
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Jovi offered Bon Jovi such a great name, but it's too late
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for Jovi. You can't teach an old dog new
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tricks. I feel like it's.
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Cool. For me, like this is not about
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the dogs, this is about me and her like seeing me like and
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seeing right through me and I just wasn't prepared.
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Like I knew like that's how dog trainers typically think about
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me. This has happened to me before.
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Is she? Mean is she like does she have
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like a like a she's? Actually quite lovely and nice
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and hopefully she'll become a listener appraiser, but I am
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terrified to pick the dogs up now.
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Terrified I. Thought you were dropping them
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off at like a kennel on your way out of town, but you're dropping
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off and like, hey, we want to pick these dogs up and they're
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going to be better. She is also a kennel but only if
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they get approved and the way they get approved is if we meet
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the 1st 90 days and can take them back and get tested for how
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well we did. Oh my God you are legit on a pip
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for a pup. Like you're in a whole different
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kind of pip. For a pup.
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A real PIP for your pups. Yeah.
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Oh my gosh. Speaking.
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Of PIP for pups, Did you like even do your PIP for a pup on
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vacation? Like catch us up?
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Absolutely. Not I thought about it, but I
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didn't have the stuff like I didn't.
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I just. I started.
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Well, you were there. Blakely started on the one part.
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We went together. We went to that networking
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event, which Blakely killed, by the way.
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Good job. You did a great job.
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She did a good job with the horseshoe.
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She opened up the circle. She didn't.
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You didn't need a wing woman at all.
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You you totally nailed it. That was great.
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Yeah, I didn't bring the right. I didn't know I didn't have the
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right broth. Let's be honest.
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I didn't have something. To stop you.
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Kinda. I mean you need some type of
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situation to do a push up. Well, actually that's true
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because I was trying to film her and.
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She was and she goes. You're not going to like.
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Can't get an angle without them. Boobs just.
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Falling down. OK, back off.
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All right, That's mean. OK.
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That's mean. It's a little mean, OK?
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We don't have to talk about them falling down.
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OK, It was grab the. Eye is 4.
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Like there's got to be an app where you're basically.
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Anti gravity. No, no.
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Then you basically you film yourself but then the AI.
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Changes. Yeah, it does the work.
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Right. Again, we are not using AI on
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this podcast. I just want for images.
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I know until Clay let's me fix my neck and until that happens,
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no one gets AI. Until that happens.
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Until that happens, you're putting your.
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Gravity is going to do its job. Is what is what happens.
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What happens? And that clip didn't make it,
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but I did. I got home and I did it.
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I did it. I posted it.
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It was very vulnerable and it's I don't really care.
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It's fun actually. And pleasantly, to my surprise,
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people are like, I'm in. I know they're following along.
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I love it. But they're like doing it too.
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They're like, I got text like okay, which pull up bar did you
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buy? I'm texting that out.
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What kind of really and? People are asking for equipment
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recommendations, yes. That and it makes me feel not
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alone and it's cool because it's only like 5-10 minutes a day,
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even just three times a week. So there's, it's not like a huge
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fitness transformation, like intense thing, but it's like,
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Hey, I, this is one thing I want to do.
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I want to be able to get a real push up.
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I want to be able to get a real pull up.
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Side note, my husband, so we installed the pull up bar of the
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door. It's just a you, if you put it
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up, take it down. It's not, you know, full time
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freaking jumps on it. Don't even I know what you're
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just say. Yeah, well, it was a chin up, to
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be clear. I was like, turn your hands
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around. Anybody can do a chin up.
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And then I tried to do a chin up.
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I was like, if you can do it, maybe I can do it anyway.
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I couldn't do that either. But he was as surprised as
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anybody, which almost made it worse because he's like, I've
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never tried this, let me hop on it and just fucking do it
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immediately. So I was like, get down.
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This is not your bar. This is not your area.
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Go find somewhere else to practice.
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Should we be putting like wagers on like when you're going to get
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your first push up, when you're going to get your first pull up?
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Like should we open up a betting pool?
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You can. I was living some news article
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or podcast on our road trip and you can bet on anything now.
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Really. Weirdest phenomena I had no idea
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you can wear like what side part someone is going to have at like
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a Olympic race. I don't whatever.
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Like any little phenomena, you can bet on it.
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Yes, we should. Just don't tell me because it's
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going to make me feel really bad.
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I am working on getting our community set up right now and
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so I will see if I can put up a betting board.
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Not with real money though. I don't think that's right, but
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I'm. Trying to cash in on this.
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So if you could open that up, that would be great.
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I'm trying to get a little side thing going.
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All right, Venmo Blakely at Blakely Dash Graham Dash 76, is
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that it? That is not that's not it.
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What would the 76 be for? The year you were born, I was
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trying to be nice. Yeah, that was.
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Nice. Well, I was born in 74, so I
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figured you're a couple years older than me, but I was giving
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you, making you, making you younger.
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Thanks. OK, Speaking of younger, I want
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to hear more about your van down by the river that you're living
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in. Yeah.
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So we have two dogs and my husband wants to travel when
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we're empty nesters, which is coming up real soon.
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So we bought a van and we bought the van and I was a little like,
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do we need a van? Like am I?
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I like to camp, but is this really going to be a full time
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thing? Well, we bought a van.
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We had an outfitted in Costa Mesa, like Southern California,
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Orange County, and we went to pick up the van and holy shit,
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you guys, this is the coolest van.
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It is so awesome. And we took a week, we went from
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Costa Mesa and just drove down the southern route because we
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were chasing a storm essentially.
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So we were just trying to give ourselves some distance.
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I. Always wanted to do that storm
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chaser. That's not really.
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I was like. That's the point of start
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chasing. It's to find the tornado.
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Blakely. OK, sorry.
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Go ahead. No, no, we went through some
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really interesting towns and kind of like we didn't go
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through Palm Springs. We went through India, which is
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where Coachella is. And we went by the Salton Sea,
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which is like one of the most toxic seas in the United States.
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Like I didn't know about it until like Scott's, like, let's
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go look it out. And I'm reading And they're
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like, get out. Danger, danger.
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It's like so toxic. I'm like, go faster.
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And then we went through Arizona and we went through the craziest
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Border Patrol, which I don't know, just given everything
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that's going on in our world. It was just, it felt very
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uncomfortable. What a.
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Great adventure for your first trip in.
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Japan sounds so cool. Well, she sent me this picture
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and it looked like I did because it was this desert against this
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crazy blue sky with just a bit of the sun coming up on the
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horizon or down, I don't know. But it was gorgeous and it
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looked like. Tatooine.
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Tatooine. Tatooine.
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And that is where Tatooine was filmed.
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I think it's yeah. What do you mean you didn't know
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what that was? I didn't know what it was.
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You don't know, and you still not know it.
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I know now because because I had to ask my husband and he's a
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nerd and. Thank you goodness for neck.
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Thank goodness. It's like, not only is it
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Tatooine, but it's where it's where like the Jabba the Hutt,
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like Land Cruiser with the big pit was found.
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And I do love Star Wars. It's a Star Wars.
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It's a city in Star Wars. And there's also.
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A planet. A planet.
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It's a planet, but they also have a drink.
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I learned when I googled it. I don't know.
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It's called a Tatooine sunset, and it's a drink.
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So well, let me tell you, Tatooine culture in Arizona,
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actually that's in California is really interesting.
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Like it's RV toys culture. And then we went through another
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strange town and we were going to camp there because it's
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supposedly like the RV like meet up of the world and they do like
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rock treating and crystal trading.
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Oh. Cool.
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Yeah. Did you get your palm red?
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No, I didn't stay there. Anybody do?
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Any tattooing while you were? There any tattooing and
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tattooing that was good one clay.
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There was we are looking for a coffee shop and there it said go
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the best coffee is in the magic circle.
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And like it's in this RV boondocking.
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Like think of like a desert with just RV's everywhere.
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I'm like, OK, the Magic Circle coffee.
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And then I like, look at the reviews and it says, well, when
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the RV door is open, the coffee's always brewing.
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I'm like, OK, kind of interesting.
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And then I look closer at the mugs and every mug has a naked
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person on it. And I realized, did you find
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yourself? Circle is like the naked area of
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the rocketry now. What'd you do?
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Did Scott show off his triceps in a little?
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More so, we like booked a spot in the KOA.
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This was supposed to be a romantic Valentine's Day trip,
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and you walked right into the magic circle and walked right.
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Out I guys, I'm so new and nervous.
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I'm a loser about this kind of stuff anyway.
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Years you got to be in a van to be like.
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Here's the thing, our our van is too new and too pretty, so just
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kind of puts us back. When I get all naked, all you're
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naked on it. Privilege sitting duck, like we
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got to wait to get some dents and Dings and dust and like, so
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like in few years I'll go back and go to the Naked coffee shop,
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but I'm going to bet. I'm going to put on our new
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bedding market that it's going to take maybe 18 months before
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the 1st naked person sits down on your beautiful van and then
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after that, I don't know. We're not betting that.
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After that, there's nothing but white crusty sweaters.
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We're not betting that. Magic circles all over your van.
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I don't even know what that means.
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But it's, it's OK, we'll take that offline.
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OK, But what is the bed like? Is it nice the?
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Bed OK, so I was very nervous about the bed because I am very
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nervous about sleep like I'm one of those people I wear the
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Garmin watch. I like track my sleep score.
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I don't know if you've ever read the book Why We Sleep by Matthew
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Walker, but don't read it you. Mentioned this book before I
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think on the show. Have I It is the scariest book
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I've ever read. Like it's horrible.
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It just makes you realize like for every second you don't
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sleep, like a year is shaved off your life.
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And it's nothing like for an anxiety right in person like me,
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it's so bad. Like I'm going to die tomorrow,
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probably, according to Matthew Walker.
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Put that on that the bed thing. Sorry, go.
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Ahead let's Ned. I don't want to die tomorrow
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regardless. I was nervous about the van.
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I got the best sleep score of my entire watch life ever.
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Wow. And I got the worst sleep score,
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so kind of interesting, but the best sleep score it's I think I
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can attribute to its total blackout.
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So we've got these like really cool shades and it's like a
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micro climate. So we can keep it really cold,
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but we can also program the heater to like kick on at like
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the end to warm up like before you get out of bed.
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And so like you sleep cold and it's lovely.
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And then like later on it just becomes this like warm toasty
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cocoon. I don't know, I got a 91.
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I've never heard of that. Do people get 90 ones on their
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sleep watches? I don't know.
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I. Don't know, I never did a sleep
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watch but but then another. So was the 50 also in the van or
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was it where the van was parked? Is 100% because the last day we
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got lazy. And so we're like, let's just
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eat something where you can just add water because all we had was
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like a hot water heater and a fridge.
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But we weren't cooking right. So we went to the store.
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Yeah. And so we got cups and noodles.
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And we saw these cups and noodles that our kids get all
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the time. And I'm like, oh, these must be
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like, really good cups and noodles.
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They're called bold decks. Have you guys heard of these?
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No, it's like a big bold deck of noodles.
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One's pink. I got carbon and one is like
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blue and it was like the spite whatever spicy ramen or
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something. So we like pour our water in and
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like within two bites. Scott, who eats the spiciest
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food in the world, was like crying.
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He's like, I don't, I don't think I could finish this.
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I'm like, what? It's all the food we have.
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And I'm like, well, I got carbonara and we didn't know,
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but there's two packets. There's a flavor packet and the
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spicy packet. And we thought the spicy packet
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was hoi sun sauce. So we were like pouring the
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whole packet I We ate an entire bag of tortilla chips between
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the two of us to. Soak.
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Up this spice. I've never been in so much pain
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in my life. It was awful.
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I got to imagine you, I mean even on the like the ramen
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packets, they say like don't pour the whole packet in because
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that's how you adjust the sodium.
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But if you check the back of the packet it's like it's enough
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salt for like 6 people for like four days.
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So you probably ate like a triple salt bomb and then
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through. You were probably so bloated and
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like puffy I bet. No, so I got I get heartburn.
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It's so hard had and I don't have any of my medicines with
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me. I had the worst heartburn of my
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entire life. I was dying the whole night.
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But like you guys, it was the food.
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It's the only food we had is like this bag of chips and the
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bold Axe. You better get used to it
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because this is your new van life.
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I mean this is. The van down by the river.
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It sounds like a nice van, though.
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OK, I, I got to, I got to move us because I just can't think of
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any story that's teeing us up more perfectly for this guest.
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I we yeah. We've got someone coming on
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today that can pretty much address, I think every single
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one of these issues that you're dealing with between the sleep
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and the chronic stress. I don't know about the, the nude
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colony part. Yeah.
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We'll have to see her. Take on that, but you never
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know. I think it's time we bring, we
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bring on. Christy, let's welcome her.
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Welcome to the show. Welcome to Not on Business.
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I'm glad to have you on I'm. Howling in the background
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listening to you all. Like literally howling.
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Tears are in my eyes, so hilarious.
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I'm really excited to know how you can help either.
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I don't know if Heather was insinuating you can help my
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heartburn with the baldeck or my chronic stress or my sleep
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anxiety, but I'll take all the help I can get so.
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Yeah, the baldeck. Simple.
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Don't eat that. You know the doctor is in people
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the doctor is in she's here Oh man.
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So Christy, you have I've thankfully known you for several
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years now here and just gotten to watch your professional
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career develop benefited a lot from that myself and then seeing
20:04
others. We've also played tennis
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together and I've seen you kind of on the court and man, she's.
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Things get serious if you're playing Christy Seinbach.
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And wait, did you not convert to pickleball?
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Are you still trying into a tennis player?
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No, there's no pickleball. I did take a lesson.
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I did laugh. I.
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Love a curist? I bought a paddle, but I just
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can't like, make the jump the leap into pickleball when
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they're tennis, I. Haven't tried it yet either.
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It feels, it kind of feels like giving up.
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I don't want people to hate me for saying that, but it, it just
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feels like, it feels like I'm giving up on my body and my, you
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know, potential, I guess. Yeah.
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Do you I also? Think it's lowering my real
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estate value because we sleep our sleep.
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We live right next to pickleball courts, and so when we're
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sleeping at 6:00 AM, it's like. Click, click, click, click,
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click, click. Like just They're about to start
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at 6:00 AM. Oh, they start early.
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Yeah, they. Cold out there in the.
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Winter kind of person. It's a whole brigade and they
21:11
park all in front of our house and they come up with these like
21:13
steel brooms and shovels and they sweep the snow off the
21:17
court and like, dry it. They're so they're a lot.
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Yeah, yeah. But I do respect.
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I do respect people finding something that gets them out,
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gets them active, right. I mean, whatever floats.
21:31
That way, if it's fun and you can do it and your body's
21:34
cooperating, Yeah, it's way better than what I'm doing right
21:38
now, which is nothing other than.
21:39
That is not true. Like let's talk about those pull
21:42
ups. Yeah.
21:44
Thank you, Christy. So not true.
21:47
And also the other thing Heather didn't say is that for seven
21:50
years or eight years maybe there were a group of us that we did
21:53
Pilates together like every Wednesday morning we were in the
21:56
Pilates studio. That's true.
21:58
Pilates together so and Heather's excellent at Pilates
22:00
so. Oh.
22:01
Thank you, I believe. It don't minimize what you're up
22:04
to your girlfriend. Thank you, Christy.
22:06
I appreciate that. Advice #1.
22:08
I mean, I'm good at the legs. I've always said a very strong
22:11
legs, but it's the arms were always a difficulty anyway.
22:13
But back to the reason why, the reason why we're doing that, the
22:16
community, the, the working out, the finding better ways to
22:20
sleep. Christy, I read something you've
22:22
wrote recently on your sub stack, which is so good and
22:25
everybody we will put put that in it's red Dragon Speaks.
22:28
Is the sub stack too or is that red?
22:29
Dragon writes the. Dragon.
22:31
Writes is the is the blog and then Red Dragon Speaks is the
22:36
podcast, which I have not officially hard launched yet.
22:40
OK, well here's the place to do it.
22:41
Let me tell you, we're going to be people are going to be
22:43
looking it up after today's episode.
22:46
You have ATCM practice, which is traditional Chinese medicine in
22:51
acupuncture. You've built the fantastic
22:53
practice over the years and you've got all different people
22:56
coming from all different walks of of life and kind of bringing
22:59
everything with them. So as you're visiting with your
23:02
clients and treating them, what, what types of things are you
23:05
seeing? What kind of responses are you
23:06
seeing to current agitation and overwhelming and anxiety that
23:12
we're experiencing in our world right now?
23:14
Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, I'd love to because I
23:17
think this is a really pressing issue for people as just as a
23:22
small amount of background, I've been practicing for just about
23:25
35 years. Wow.
23:27
And, and in these, in this last year, year and a half, and
23:33
especially since the 1st of 2026, I've seen an unprecedented
23:39
amount of clients coming in complaining about one thing and
23:43
that's anxiety and insomnia. I have never seen or had such an
23:47
onslaught of it. And I also noticed for myself at
23:53
the beginning of the year, I started having nightmares.
23:57
Me too. I typically never have
23:59
nightmares. I'm just, I just isn't my thing.
24:01
I sleep pretty well. Sorry.
24:03
Nightmares have started waking up a lot.
24:06
I you know, I was, I'm still, I'm a big meditator.
24:09
I was meditating like none of my techniques.
24:12
The usual things I would go to if my spirit was upset, which it
24:15
wasn't, were working. And then I noticed, well, oh,
24:20
here come my patients and they're saying the same thing.
24:24
So I'm starting to dig in a little bit deeper with this and
24:28
I've come to this conclusion because of the instability that
24:32
we're experiencing globally. I mean, it's not just, you know,
24:38
in in your little microcosm, you may be having upsets and that,
24:42
you know, that could be happening.
24:44
But then if you just keep going outward globally, it we've never
24:48
seen anything like this and. You're right.
24:51
At the root of it, people are really scared now, like we've
24:54
tipped over into to fear the real fear.
24:58
And then what's happening is our nervous systems can't settle.
25:04
And at night, it's kind of like, you know, when you sleep, you're
25:08
the veil gets a little thinner, right?
25:10
It's a little thinner at night when you sleep versus the day
25:13
when you're in your world and you're, you know, everything's
25:15
pretty solid and real. Seems pretty solid and real.
25:17
But at night, you know, everything's just a little more
25:21
permeable. Can we talk about that?
25:23
Because I this whole thing about like waking up at 3:00 in the
25:27
morning. I mean, you hear it all the
25:28
time, movies and things. But like that really does.
25:30
It's happened to me almost every night.
25:31
And it's not just to go pee. I mean, I do go pee because I'm
25:34
up anyway, but it's but because I'm awake, but it's not what's
25:37
waking me up. It is this like moment and it
25:40
things do feel, I don't know, sometimes I feel a little more
25:42
scared. Sometimes it's just it does feel
25:44
thinner. What does that mean?
25:47
So I think it means several things.
25:50
I think it's for some people they are picking up on the
25:53
collective. I think there's no doubt about
25:55
that. People are really sensitive.
25:57
What do you? Mean the collective.
25:59
The collective energy that's happening globally, I do think
26:02
people pick up on that. And, and because the veil's a
26:05
little thinner, our guard isn't really up at night.
26:07
We, we're, it, we feel it. And then I also think for some,
26:12
and, and then, you know, this isn't just one or, or, or could
26:16
be, yes, and one more, but it could be chemical, right?
26:20
So for example, Blake lady, here's your example of eating
26:24
those spicy noodles at night that caused a physiological
26:27
chemical reaction in you that was real and literal and burned
26:33
your esophagus and probably your stomach.
26:35
You know, where your spirit can't settle?
26:37
It's supposed to anchor itself and it can't because the
26:40
spiciness of the chemicals are making everything flow their
26:44
opposite direction, which you. Described as spirits.
26:47
I'm so sorry. So that's a Physiology, you
26:52
know, that really different spirits.
26:54
So there's a physiological explanation as well, right?
26:57
And then for women, especially perimenopausal or menopausal
27:00
women, we see a lot of disruption in sleep because of
27:04
hormonal changes. That's a huge thing as well.
27:07
So between the ages of say 42 and 58, that's a pretty good
27:12
window for hormonal imbalances also disrupting sleep.
27:17
So there are a lot of variables. The variable I'm focused in on
27:20
right now is the unprecedented amount of fear that people seem
27:25
to be picking up on in our global climate and, and how
27:30
we're getting reactive instead of responsive.
27:33
And Heather, you and I had had a small conversation a few a week
27:39
ago or so ago about how I'm thinking about this in terms of
27:43
pause, feel and decide. There's three things.
27:46
Just pause when you're feeling reactive because you don't want
27:50
to make any kinds of decisions when you're reactive, right?
27:53
So pause. So just take a moment, take a
27:55
breath, then feel into your body.
28:01
Because we're used to making a lot of cognitive decisions.
28:05
So we think we're in the middle of the night, the veil's a
28:07
little thinner. We're starting to panic because
28:09
we can't sleep right. Pause, take a breath right and
28:16
then come back into your body. Like feel literally take a
28:19
breath and feel your diaphragm lift, feel your thighs, see if
28:24
you can feel your feet. What does your back feel like on
28:28
the on the bed or, or the, you know, the van floor you're
28:33
laying on? Oh no, we.
28:36
Had a bed. You're just really and in doing
28:43
that, your, your nervous system can start to settle this fight
28:48
or flight reflex that we're chronically in now can start to
28:52
settle a little bit. So is that taking you're, you're
28:56
saying the reactive versus we were talking about being aligned
29:00
with with what's happening, being reactive to what's
29:03
happening. And so is that talk a little bit
29:05
more about that distinction because I hear what you're
29:07
saying is that's kind of the response.
29:09
Like if you're seeing that you're in reactive, like let's
29:12
go to that pause. How do I capture that moment?
29:15
How do I know whether I'm in reaction mode to everything
29:18
around me? Sure, great question.
29:20
So at 3:00 in the morning when you wake up and you're like, uh
29:22
oh, I feel scared or uh oh, why am I awake?
29:24
Or any uh oh. When you wake up or you wake up
29:27
from a bad dream, you're you're already in reactive brain,
29:29
you're already in it. OK.
29:33
OK. You're there.
29:34
Versus what? Sleeping through the night.
29:37
Yeah. Or versus waking up in your
29:39
bladder is just actually full, right?
29:41
And you feel peaceful and so you go to the restroom and you come
29:45
back and you go back to sleep. There's no nervous system
29:48
activation there, right? Right, right.
29:51
It's just physiological at that point and so is it.
29:54
Am I looking, So if I'm waking up and let's say I've had a
29:57
nightmare, is it like the racing?
29:59
Cause for me it'll be like they're racing kind of thoughts
30:02
or pushing down really negative thoughts or sometimes horrible
30:05
memories or just really terrible things popping up.
30:07
Fear is a big one. Recognizing when I'm in that
30:11
mind, is that a mind space? Am I in my mind at that point?
30:16
Versus So your mind is involved and your body's involved, and we
30:22
don't care really which came first.
30:24
It's chicken and egg. OK.
30:26
What we need is for the system to settle like we don't care if
30:30
your mind started it or your body started it, really, right
30:34
in this situation, right? So pause and just notice like,
30:39
oh, I'm activated, right? Because that's what the pause is
30:42
like. OK, hold on.
30:44
I'm really activated. I had a bad dream.
30:48
That's the pause, right? OK, now I'm going to take a
30:50
breath, right 'cause what breathing does is it helps you
30:55
come back into your body. If you're really escalated all
31:01
your energies up here around your head, like from you like
31:04
your neck up, that's energy just floods up, right?
31:08
Yeah. So you want it to come on back
31:10
down into your body. That's why I was saying then
31:13
notice your body on the bed or wherever you are, like where are
31:17
you in space? Oh yeah, I'm actually in bed and
31:21
I'm safe. I'm breathing.
31:25
OK so now say your thoughts are rolling like you just mentioned,
31:29
like I can't stop my thoughts and you get to you get afraid
31:33
because your thoughts feel like they're controlling you.
31:36
Right. Right.
31:37
So there's a bunch of different things you can do in that
31:40
moment. If you have a meditation
31:42
practice, there's, you know, there are things we could talk
31:45
about you can do there. If you have a particular
31:49
religious kind of bent, you can do what works for you in that
31:52
world. If you are interested more in
31:55
psychology, you can say to your mind I'm listening.
32:00
I'm listening. I just.
32:02
That's really interesting because I've never told that I'm
32:05
listening. I've always just been like, shut
32:06
up, stop it, stop that, get out of my brain.
32:12
I've tried counting sheep. I've tried like look old school
32:16
kind of stuff. And I do meditate, but that the
32:19
emptying of that mind piece in it's so much easier during the
32:22
day for me to like take 10 minutes and do so for some
32:24
reason I just feel more in control of it.
32:26
And in the middle of the night, I feel completely out of
32:28
control. And I you feel.
32:30
At the effect the same power that's correct.
32:33
And that's what I mean about everything so much more
32:34
permeable. So I am suggesting to my to my
32:39
patients, take that moment to say I'm listening.
32:41
What do you want me to know? That seems so scary.
32:47
Yeah. So have you ever done this and
32:50
what did it want you to know? To you I do I do do that you do
32:58
and then and the answer is varied, right Sometimes it's I
33:03
want you to know that I don't want you to have coffee after
33:06
1:00 PM ever again it's. Like a really super tactical.
33:12
Right. It's just a nice, right?
33:15
And then one of the answers I got was, you're not listening to
33:18
me enough in the day, so I'm having to wake you up at night.
33:23
And so as a result, what I started doing is writing more.
33:25
I just started writing more during the day, right?
33:27
I just started giving myself time out for myself to listen
33:32
during the day so that at night I didn't have to be bothered,
33:35
right? Oh, that's good.
33:37
And that works. I think that is transformative.
33:41
Like I have not just had these sleepless nights for the last
33:46
year, year and a half. I've had these my whole life.
33:48
So I just think I run. And I would never have said
33:52
like, I'm a anxious person. I didn't really have words until
33:55
we started using those words in the last maybe five years or a
33:58
decade. I just, that's just how I run,
34:01
but my best sleeps come from when I see myself in the day.
34:07
And that's really hard to do in a practice.
34:09
But you know, people talk about that all the time, like are you
34:13
journaling? Are you doing meditation?
34:14
Are you doing gratitude? But whatever it is, like you're
34:17
saying, all these practices, if you have one that can keep you
34:21
super grounded in the day and you can see yourself in the day,
34:25
it has probably pave the way for me to have much better sleep
34:31
now. So, but you got to invest in
34:34
yourself during the day. And I find people, especially
34:38
people in stressful jobs and positions, they have a really
34:42
hard time managing, They're overwhelmed to recognize they're
34:45
putting themselves into this loop into the cycle.
34:48
And if you can't stop that overwhelm in the day, then it's
34:53
going to catch up with you at night, I think.
34:55
And and we have this collective fear going on.
34:58
Exactly. So then, so there's all of that
35:01
which we've, we've had for a long, long time and now we've
35:03
got, you know, now it's at the next level with the.
35:06
Collective. Yeah, yeah.
35:07
Yeah. So so how do I get in the
35:09
middle? I'm so back-to-back meetings.
35:11
This is a typical day for me Yeah, you know, I'll, I'll spare
35:16
you all of my pre pre gaming, but like, let's say the first
35:19
meeting's at 8:30. OK, so 830 sometimes I get up
35:24
earlier, sometimes they don't. But like in the middle of the
35:27
day when the stress is the highest because I could have my
35:29
meditation in the morning and be like I'm great.
35:31
And then by 9:15 I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
35:35
Again, we're talking about this again.
35:37
OK, really. Like, you know, it just it
35:39
starts to rise like within the 1st and then it's back-to-back
35:43
to back-to-back. And then by the end of the day I
35:46
can't, I'm just dumb. I'm like rubber mind.
35:49
Like, I can't even answer questions like I'm just done,
35:54
done. So then it's either scrolling on
35:57
the phone for an hour and a half or it's watching a movie or just
36:01
something where I just don't have to think or please don't
36:03
ask me what to, you know, have for dinner, not make for because
36:06
that's not happening. Don't even ask me what I want
36:08
for dinner. Yeah, like, it's just, it's
36:09
really bad. But because it's so, and I know
36:13
I should stop in the middle of the day, like I what, what?
36:16
What? I won't put words in your mouth.
36:17
Like what's a better way to maintain that to avoid getting
36:20
to extreme burnout by 1:00? Such a great question.
36:24
I think you both would agree with me that the overall the
36:28
overarching culture of this busyness is not serving the
36:33
planet. Yes.
36:37
OK, so it's not. And so it, when do we stand up
36:41
and say this is not helping my body or my loved ones or the
36:47
planet and there's some personal agency there?
36:52
When you say, OK, I can't change the culture or my planet, but I
36:56
can change how I am in any moment, right?
37:01
So I can commit to myself, to engaging in behaviors, even if
37:08
it's for one minute, that shifts my perspective back to being
37:13
centered. Because in doing that, Heather,
37:17
you do change. That ripples out, that ripple
37:22
effect ripples out to everyone in your sphere and beyond.
37:26
But you have to be willing to say, yeah, this is if same.
37:31
If I do the same behaviors, I'm going to get the same results
37:35
always. So is it the focus of like, is
37:39
it switching the focus to what is in my control and not in my
37:42
control? Is it prioritizing in that
37:44
moment my health? And I'm, I'm getting stressed.
37:46
I need to calm down, I need to breathe.
37:48
Like I just, is it a prioritization issue?
37:50
Because obviously I do care about my health and I do care
37:52
about my loved ones in the planet.
37:54
But I'm not acting like it because I think, Oh, well, if I
37:59
is it one or the other where it's like, well, then I'm not
38:01
going to care about whether how this meeting goes because I care
38:05
about my health like. Yeah.
38:06
It's like, it's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:08
It's not either or, right? It's it's, it's yes and right.
38:15
So I'm not asking you to move any of your meetings out or
38:17
cancel any of them. It's how you show up in your
38:21
life in each meeting, in each moment, right?
38:26
And So what do you need? Say, for example, between
38:28
meetings, for example, I would say to you, to a patient, what
38:30
do you need between meetings? Do you need a little bit longer
38:33
reset? What do you need for you,
38:35
Heather, that's going to help you feel like, OK, back on
38:39
track. That meeting went off the rails,
38:41
but that's over and now I'm back, right?
38:45
And then over time, what you realize is I don't want that
38:48
meeting. I'm not taking it because you
38:51
start to feel in your body. And this isn't, this isn't
38:54
supporting me. It's not supporting my life
38:55
force. That's actually really good
38:59
advice that I need to follow more is do I need to be in this
39:02
meeting? And one of our guests, I can't
39:04
remember who it was said kind of laying out the expectations and
39:08
say, help me understand what you need from me in this meeting,
39:11
how I can prepare and what you're looking for me for my
39:13
contribution. And if they can't answer that
39:14
question, then you're declining the meeting.
39:16
Yeah, yeah, I remember that or the last episode, the last
39:23
sticky situation episode, we had a question about, oh gosh, what
39:28
was it? I just oh, the the revoked PTO
39:31
and and it's like slow your corporate roll, right?
39:35
Like we don't need to have someone on the phone 24/7.
39:41
Sometimes as a corporation, we can take some agency and say,
39:44
hey, we're a short staffed, we're just going to slow down a
39:47
little bit. And what I never realized,
39:49
Christine, until you said it, like I just feel like I had the
39:52
biggest aha moment. Like I remember for, you know,
39:57
COVID was so horrible for many. For me, it was bliss, absolute
40:02
bliss. Because it wasn't my personal
40:05
agency. It was a cultural thing that
40:07
happened where we were forced into a slowdown and it was just
40:12
delightful. Now I saw wreak havoc on my son
40:16
like that wasn't delightful and you know, our youth, but
40:19
regardless, it was delightful. And I think about it, think
40:22
about all the things where we are forced to have our own
40:25
agency. Think about cell phones and
40:27
schools, right? Like our kids can't give those
40:29
up. We have to fight it as a parent
40:31
group to get them out of schools.
40:33
Or what about recycling? Like we're out there like
40:35
cleaning all our bottles. What number is what number?
40:38
But like, let's stop it at the manufacturing level, right?
40:40
There's all this stuff that's put down to the individual and
40:44
we're in a really shitty time right now where all this
40:48
overwhelm is like being put on to us.
40:51
And I love that you we are talking about practices for us.
40:55
But Heather, as a leader of your organization and as leaders of
40:59
our organizations, we can also impact this, I think even
41:04
bigger, you know, and get the ripple out like bigger.
41:07
Like what are our standards at work to like, say this is not
41:10
OK? Like this overwhelm is not doing
41:14
our profits good, our investors or shareholders any good?
41:18
Like let's calm down. Exactly.
41:22
This is I love that you're saying that Blakely, because
41:25
this is where it has to happen. Is it the level of leadership?
41:29
And so as we step forward as leaders to both care for
41:35
ourselves, but then we care for those that we are, you know,
41:38
entrusted to help and entrusted to be of service to and, and
41:44
lead not by only by example, but also by policy.
41:51
Absolutely. Policy.
41:53
Put on those lawyer glasses, Heather, and start writing some
41:56
policy. It's true.
41:59
I think it's it's policy and then it's execution of that
42:04
policy and then it's really leadership by example.
42:08
Because I don't have. All the policies in the world,
42:10
but if the top leader isn't valuing these pauses or these
42:16
breaks between meetings or kind of running over and not
42:19
respecting people's time or just these unrealistic expectations
42:25
of output, If that's coming from the top, then people are either
42:28
going to live in a state of apathy because they just humanly
42:31
can't do it, or they're going to live in a state of fear for
42:37
getting fired if they don't do it.
42:39
So either one of those is just horrible for culture.
42:43
I'm going to make a plug for my wife, Nancy Kepner and she.
42:49
Wanting her to come on this podcast.
42:51
Partner. Yeah.
42:53
They, they own crafted leadership and they train
42:55
leaders to do this very thing like in the corporate world,
42:59
C-Suite leaders to, to really change the climate and the
43:03
culture. And they're doing a lot of
43:06
they're not, they don't 'cause it, they don't call it pause,
43:08
feel and decide. But they really are using those
43:11
tools to help educate people about.
43:14
Well, what you're exactly what you all are asking, which is how
43:16
do we do this and the, you know, both in our personalized and in
43:20
our business settings. Yeah.
43:22
Yeah, no, she's amazing. She's definitely going to have
43:25
her have her on just these amazing workshops and things
43:28
because and what I love about the way she does it too is it is
43:30
through workshop and it is typically several hours if not
43:34
multi day to really put it into practice.
43:36
Because we can sit here for 35 minutes and have a great
43:38
conversation of how it all should be.
43:40
But if I'm waking up tomorrow and I'm doing the same thing and
43:42
I'm not actively taking that as a leader and standing up for
43:45
other people to do the same, then the change will never
43:48
happen. But I need those tools and I
43:49
need to understand how to do it. Right.
43:52
So back to your sleep, Heather. I want to have one more thing on
43:55
that. So you're laying there at 3:00
43:56
in the morning? Yeah.
43:58
Don't panic like we are not going to die, as Blakely knows
44:05
if you don't sleep. Yeah.
44:07
You know we're not. We're not.
44:10
Right. You know we don't ignore that
44:12
book, Blakely. Thank you SO.
44:15
Yeah, we are not going to die. So that's where when we paint,
44:18
when we're asleep at night, we tend to panic like the world,
44:22
you know, the Sky's falling, the blah, blah, blah.
44:24
And then off we go. We start to panic.
44:26
So the most important thing I say to my patients is don't
44:30
panic. You know, if you're panicking,
44:33
do one of those, you know, things we've talked about to
44:36
settle yourself because I promise you, the decisions you
44:41
think you need to make at 1:30 or three in the morning are not
44:43
the decisions are going to seem reasonable at 10 AM.
44:47
That's so true. I mean, Jerry Maguire, right?
44:49
It's the famous thing. Yeah.
44:50
So what, what what do you think about Sleep Aids Pro or Con Pro
44:58
Pro Sleep Aids. Interesting.
44:59
What kind? Well, if people have, well, I
45:03
don't want, I'm not giving medical advice, so let me, yes.
45:06
Absolutely. We don't give it or we don't
45:08
give legal or medical advice. We don't give.
45:10
Yeah. And please go see your
45:11
physician. But I personally do like
45:14
melatonin. If people are having trouble
45:16
falling asleep, if if their problem is they go to sleep just
45:20
fine and then they they just wake up multiple times in the
45:22
night, then I like there's some good Chinese formulas that I
45:27
like, but over the counter they're actually just doing
45:30
lion's mane or tiger tail or some of the mushrooms that are
45:33
on the market are super helpful. Actually, I am a fan for some
45:38
people of gummies of CBD and both a little bit of THC, not a
45:43
lot. Not so you feel stoned.
45:45
I don't think that's helpful. But that also then depends on if
45:48
you're medicated, if you have other medications that are going
45:50
to interfere. We're now seeing that that is a
45:53
drug that can readily interfere with meds.
45:56
So just there's a cautionary tale there.
45:58
Oh, really? OK, that's interesting.
46:01
But also just at night when you're going to sleep, you know,
46:04
putting, you know the standard put your, put all your
46:07
electronics away 2 hours before you go to bed, those two.
46:11
Hours. Two hours when we're sitting in
46:13
front of screens, we've got electrons, it's just bombarding
46:17
us so all. Right, OK, I back it up.
46:19
We gotta, we gotta, we gotta break this down.
46:22
We gotta break this down. The electrons.
46:26
I get that. But like, what if it's far away?
46:28
What if I'm watching a movie on on like a television screen?
46:31
That's yeah. Across the room.
46:32
Is that OK? Is it distant?
46:34
Make sure you know you got the make sure the movie is calming,
46:37
right? You don't want to be watching
46:40
the night manager you know before you go to bed or yellow
46:43
straight. That's what we do.
46:44
We watch the serious stuff. I can't watch anything scary.
46:48
I'm such a wimp. I can't.
46:49
I love suspense thriller at night.
46:53
I can't do it. You also aren't sleeping well,
46:57
so no one's listening. To you I am when I'm in a van
47:00
down by the river. But actually, that's a good
47:05
point. If if we looked back on night 91
47:10
is the yeah, was it you? Were you in nature?
47:12
Were you like the were the screens off?
47:14
Yes, situation. We did watch an episode of our
47:18
show, but you just fall asleep more naturally because you are,
47:24
I mean, it's dark trees, you know, and it's quiet and you
47:29
know, and we're not, we actually have a pretty strict no phone
47:35
policy. Like not, no, not like they're
47:40
locked away. But when we're on vacation
47:43
together, we really try to stay off the phones.
47:46
Truly so. It's not building up all day,
47:49
but I do wonder about like the electromagnet, what did you?
47:52
Was that right? Is that the right word?
47:53
Electromagnetic stuff coming back at your face.
47:56
Well, that the like electrons specifically.
47:58
Office electrons. OK, Yeah.
48:00
But you know, we're just. Getting bombarded.
48:02
At all times and all ways yeah planet that you know this
48:05
generation is the first generation to experience that
48:08
you know we. That's why I felt like a badass,
48:10
because I have a hard 20 minute rule before bed and I thought I
48:14
was killing it 20 minutes before bed and 20 minutes after I wake
48:19
up in the morning. You're laughing at me, but I'm
48:21
serious. I thought, I think I'm doing
48:23
better than most people. I think most people.
48:25
You are. You are.
48:27
I mean, like, I go and wake up my kid and I'm like, you're late
48:30
for school, you're late for work.
48:31
And he's like literally wrapped up in the.
48:34
Cord and I'm. Like and I thought so hard to
48:39
keep phones out of his room. He's like, I'm 18 now, mom and.
48:43
I'm like I'm still. Paying your phone bill,
48:44
Whatever. My gosh.
48:46
OK, so it's bad two hours. That's I will that will that
48:50
will be a goal, but it's not hip for.
48:53
Pop. Gonna happen right now, but I
48:55
could, I could try for an hour. So then I'm just reading a book
48:59
or reading a book. Take a bath, having a petite as
49:02
the light, you know, we're getting a lot more light now
49:04
we're at least where we are, We could take a little walk in the
49:08
evening, right? Being outside of nature is also
49:11
another thing that I suggest to people.
49:13
And Blakely, you just reminded me of that with the with the van
49:15
experience, there is there's just nothing quite as effective
49:22
as getting your feet on the ground outside.
49:25
Yeah, that was what I was going to tell to Heather, something I
49:29
did in that last like super stressful year.
49:32
And I whatever. Like that was like one of the
49:34
worst years of my life. So don't like take this with a
49:36
grain of salt, but when I was at the tipping point, I would go
49:40
out almost every afternoon, leave the office at like one or
49:44
two like after lunch and walk the trail.
49:47
I just couldn't cope otherwise and I was so far gone.
49:50
Like that was just getting me through the day.
49:54
But I it got me through the day. Like just get out and do a 10
49:58
minute walk, just 10 minutes outside.
50:02
Yep, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.
50:04
It's got and I think I need to set an alarm.
50:06
I hate devices. I hate it.
50:08
Don't ever buy me a watch. Not even a regular watch.
50:11
I'm not interested. I just I don't like being
50:14
tracked. I don't like not from like a
50:16
weird government conspiracy kind of way more.
50:20
And just like I don't, I'm not, I'm not in competition with my
50:23
own body of like, oh, I got this score today or oh, I got this.
50:25
I'm like Nah Nah, I sometimes. Don't read the book.
50:29
Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not doing that.
50:32
But I think a reminder like an alarm on my phone that goes off
50:36
that says go walk around the block would be helpful.
50:39
And I know all of your watches tell you to stand up and all
50:41
that shit, but. No, I don't like that shit.
50:45
I have a big question and well, this is like not all business.
50:51
And we just had a lot of business talk about how we can,
50:54
as leaders change things and how we can help ourselves and sleep
50:58
better and fight the overwhelm. But you talked about the
51:01
collective in the beginning. And one of the ways I combat my
51:05
sleep is I read in the night. And I can read from three to
51:08
five easily most nights. And I'm reading right now the
51:12
ever popular Dan Brown and his latest book.
51:15
And it's about noetic science and which I've never even heard
51:20
that term before. But.
51:22
It is the study of. Noah's Ark.
51:26
The consciousness, the collective, the it's the study
51:31
of is there like they study near death experiences is one of the
51:37
things they study and how this you're you basically your spirit
51:41
leaves and it's looking down at your body and they're like, is
51:43
that spirit part of this collective?
51:45
They call it the collective, they call it the consciousness.
51:47
And is that what you're talking about when you talk about the
51:50
collective? Is this like, I don't know, like
51:56
the, the, the, all the bits of the spirits that we have and
51:59
the, the premise of the book is it's actually all inside our
52:04
brains. We're all part of this
52:06
collective, but it's like a radio frequency where the, how
52:10
our brains protect us is we can only tune into like 1 channel
52:14
like our brains channel. But when you have a near death
52:18
experience or you get like sudden savant syndrome, like all
52:21
these things you hear about, all of a sudden they can play the
52:23
piano. It's because they were able to
52:25
broaden their frequencies and tap into the greater collective.
52:30
And it's a Dan Brown book. And I'm like, what is this?
52:34
And like, do other people know about this?
52:36
Do you know about? This research, yeah, yeah.
52:39
So the, you know, the, the it's certainly in Tibetan Buddhism.
52:42
They've been talking about this for 5000 years.
52:46
They I'm just. Coming up to speed.
52:50
Or Dan is but because we because the Tibetan Buddhists were was
52:57
was a super insular culture, right.
52:59
They were in the mountains of Tibet, like 14, fifteen, 16,000,
53:03
you know, high peaks like there weren't there wasn't a lot of
53:07
cross traffic like there was in the rest of the world.
53:10
And so that information didn't really disseminate until just
53:14
really the last, you know, some did in some ways.
53:18
But really in terms of Western consciousness, only in the last
53:21
30 or 40 years have we seen it. But we now see that they've done
53:26
all kinds are doing all kinds of imaging MRI studies on monks who
53:31
are big meditators to actually prove there's this sort of
53:34
neural net is what you're describing.
53:37
And so there are different traditions looking at it from
53:41
different ways. But you know, at the end of the
53:42
day, Christians would say it's God, right?
53:44
Not the guy in the sky God, you know, but a presence, an
53:48
overarching presence of like the great spirit that we are all one
53:52
with. But we have this idea that we're
53:55
running around as single singular bodies being isolated
54:00
because, as you just said, likely we could only tune into
54:04
certain frequencies. And some people can tune into
54:07
more frequencies, and some people can tune into fewer
54:10
frequencies. Some are more dense, some are
54:11
more fluid. But physics tells us everything
54:15
is is energy as everything is. And so if you just follow that
54:20
track, it's not hard to get to this idea of the collective,
54:24
right? Which makes it all the more
54:27
person. AI computer way, but you know,
54:29
yeah, it's more of a Borg all yeah, the Borg, the Borg.
54:34
Now you're talking my language, but it's this idea really that
54:39
we, we are all connected. And that's why, like they do
54:44
studies on prayer where a group of people will pray no matter
54:48
the tradition and they can affect the health.
54:51
This has been done at at medical schools in the East Coast where
54:56
they have prayer groups praying over cardiac patients and they
55:01
have higher improvements of health much more quickly than
55:05
those cohorts who do not get prayed over.
55:08
I mean, it's documented over and over.
55:09
Yeah. Yeah.
55:10
So yes, yeah. Yeah, I think this is where our
55:15
show is going. All the future episodes are only
55:18
going to be. Talking about this topic I.
55:20
Think this is so? Fascinating.
55:23
Me too. Fascinating.
55:25
It is, yeah. It's really powerful.
55:29
I wish we had so much more time, but unfortunately we don't.
55:31
Christy, we appreciate you coming so much.
55:36
Breaking down that thought of pausing and then deciding, yeah,
55:43
yeah. I, I love that it's a tool to in
55:47
the middle of the night if I'm waking up and just taking
55:50
ownership of that, recognizing I'm already in reactive mode.
55:53
If I'm waking up with anxiety and just pausing, feel what I
55:58
need to feel, listen potentially to what what's being said to me.
56:02
And then in that situation, what would you say is decide?
56:06
Decide is after you listen because then you you hear you.
56:10
It's like you sense the answer right?
56:12
And the same during the day you get out of those meetings you're
56:14
upset about. Just take a pause and then feel
56:18
and decide what's next. Might be the walk.
56:21
Yep, I love that. I love that so much.
56:24
Thank you for this. I'm planning on sleeping much
56:27
better. I'm not going to get off my
56:29
phone 2 hours before bed, but I'm going to work on it.
56:31
I'm going to work on it. I'm going to little by little
56:33
don't. Scroll Heather.
56:35
I won't. I'm not.
56:36
I'm actually. Yeah, I'm going to get better at
56:37
that too, maybe. Both friends or you know,
56:39
something like that. Oh, the new cross play.
56:43
Oh, is it good? It's so good.
56:46
Cross play. It's like crossword.
56:49
On the New York. Times.
56:50
Oh, OK, All right, cool. I'll.
56:52
I'll do that. It'll keep my brain working too.
56:54
That's a bonus. All right, before we let you go,
56:57
we are going to ask you the question that we ask all of our
57:00
guests and we answer it ourselves, which is what brought
57:03
a smile to your face this week. You don't have to go first if
57:08
you're not pressured. I got it.
57:11
No, I. Got.
57:12
It huge smile to my face. Was I, I recently or just this
57:15
last week I was in California for a sports medicine
57:18
conference. And what brought a smile to my
57:21
face was the sense of, of community and of, of people
57:27
who've come together to be of service in, in specifically in
57:31
my field and the community of us getting together to learn more
57:35
and to share that knowledge. So that brought a smile to my
57:37
face. That's beautiful.
57:39
That is nice Blakely Clay. I'm grateful for Japanese toilet
57:46
inventions and AS. Because of that spicy food you
57:52
ate or. Wait at all?
57:55
Did you get a bidet in your van? Also, you spoiled a little bit.
58:00
You did. That's all.
58:01
Are you serious? I.
58:02
Didn't in the van. I did not get a bidet, but as
58:07
everyone knows, I love my Japanese Totos in the house
58:10
we've got 3. There's like life changing in
58:13
the van we have something called oh I'm going to get it wrong.
58:17
It's called like a trap on toilet, but it was also invented
58:22
the. Trap.
58:23
Trap, trap, trap, trap. I don't know but it is like a
58:29
contoured toilet that is like single use.
58:33
It's got like a little bag and you hit a flush button and it
58:36
closes the bag and heat seals it.
58:39
Wow. Yeah, so you can dispose it.
58:43
And then one of Scott's whoops, I hit my mic there.
58:46
But one of Scott's friends gave us a portable Toto bidet to have
58:49
with it. So yes, there's that.
58:50
Too. Wow, that was but man.
58:53
It is. It is like camping supreme it
58:57
is. That is OK, so lamping
59:00
officially. OK, it sounds like a diaper
59:03
genie. It is a diaper genie, which must
59:06
have been invented by the Japanese because it's so great.
59:10
You have a diaper genie with that.
59:12
With a it's a. 100. Persona.
59:15
Diaper Genie, But instead of those like little knockings,
59:17
it's got this little like. Like a sealer.
59:21
Oh my goodness, Clay, next time you visit, I think you should
59:24
just stay in Blakely's van. Just.
59:26
Park it out in front and I'll just use that and that's good to
59:30
be self. Contained.
59:32
All right. What about you, Sir?
59:34
OK, so I went and visited Fort Collins, Co this past week and
59:41
my wife and son and myself all traveled together.
59:45
And on the last day, you know, we spent most of the week
59:48
visiting my sibling Charlie. And Charlie's the chef at the
59:51
Neighbor, which is downtown. And so when you're out with a
59:54
chef and you're just visiting, you know, different restaurants,
59:57
everybody knows Charlie and you get back, try this and oh, and
1:00:01
let's go here. They have the best this and
1:00:02
that. Anyway, at the end of the trip
1:00:06
my son came to me and right before bed and he said to my
1:00:12
wife and I, he said. This was the best day of my
1:00:16
life. Oh.
1:00:17
Wow. That brought a smile to my face.
1:00:20
So we had such a great time. He got one-on-one time with
1:00:23
Charlie and that was kind of one of the main goals of the trip
1:00:26
and it was really special. And so it was that brought a
1:00:30
very big smile to my face. So.
1:00:32
That's like a heart warmer, yeah.
1:00:34
That's. Beautiful.
1:00:35
Yeah. I love that Heather I it went
1:00:40
against my will to Disney Springs.
1:00:44
Oh. It, it was, damn it, it was.
1:00:46
But. Here's the damn it it.
1:00:49
Is but I didn't go to like the park and like the whole day like
1:00:53
we only. Able to have the worst Disney in
1:00:55
it. Look, I kind of got it from the
1:00:59
Disney Springs perspective because look, it was like so
1:01:03
cold. I mean, remember when we were in
1:01:05
Atlanta and I had to buy that fur coat because it was so cold
1:01:07
in Atlanta, I did not pack well at all.
1:01:08
I was thinking it would be 80°, but it the weather turned polar
1:01:12
vortex, whatever. Anyway, I'm in a fur coat.
1:01:15
In OR, you were in Orlando, right?
1:01:16
Yes, I was in Orlando in a fur coat.
1:01:19
I mean a fake fur. Just so everyone's clear.
1:01:22
Obviously it was like 80 bucks, but so I it wasn't enough
1:01:26
because I had a little like tank dressed cotton dress on and then
1:01:30
I had the fur coat, but my legs were still freezing.
1:01:32
And so we're wandering on Disney Springs.
1:01:33
I'm trying so hard to have fun because Nick is like, this is
1:01:36
his jam. He's a Disney adult adult,
1:01:38
recovering Disney adult since we got married.
1:01:40
It's the second place. It is.
1:01:43
And he always said it was because he it was where his kids
1:01:45
were and that's their tradition, which is super cute.
1:01:47
And that's true. But also it's him like he, he
1:01:50
gets, he's like, Oh, you have to see this.
1:01:52
Oh, you, oh, I want to take you here.
1:01:54
Oh, you have to, we got to go to this like Indiana Jones,
1:01:56
whatever. They do this really cool smoking
1:01:58
drink. And I mean, it was just really
1:02:00
cute. So it was more of a smile, like
1:02:03
laughing at someone, but also still warm in my heart.
1:02:07
Smile. Yeah, running around Disney
1:02:10
World, freezing, watching him against all weather, like just
1:02:15
no matter what, we were going to have fun and we're going to
1:02:17
stick it out because you were in the happiest place on earth and
1:02:21
better smile. So I.
1:02:23
Did. I'm glad that you did I.
1:02:25
Did that was fun. Thank you everybody for sharing
1:02:28
your smiles. Our last question, Christy,
1:02:31
where can people keep up with you?
1:02:33
How can people get involved, stay up to date on what you're
1:02:36
doing? Where can they go to follow you
1:02:38
and stay up to date with you? You know, I think the best place
1:02:42
is Substack Red Dragon rights and I'll be announcing the
1:02:47
podcast launch there and I'm I'm ready to go in the next 30 days.
1:02:52
Well. We support.
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1:02:57
Get in here. All right, absolutely.
1:03:01
Yay. This is so much fun.
1:03:03
Thank you all for having me today.
1:03:05
I just, it was just delightful. Really.
1:03:08
You all are lovely. Wonderful.
1:03:10
Thanks for being here. And it was.
1:03:11
Great to see meet you. OK, so now you need to get your
1:03:15
wife on here and tell her that it's not so scary after all
1:03:18
because we've been trying to get her on.
1:03:19
So tell don't. Forget I will because Heather
1:03:21
said so. You.
1:03:22
Know. Yeah, exactly.
1:03:24
Only the whole world work that way, right?
1:03:26
All right, Christy, thank you so much for coming on.
1:03:29
Talk to you soon. It's great.
1:03:30
To meet you. Thank you.
1:03:31
OK, bye, bye.