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Overcoming Burnout: Filipa Bellette's Holistic Approach · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

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  Speaker 1: Philip at Billett. Welcome to the Heartiness Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm very glad
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 3: Here, and we are talking about a subject that is
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  Speaker 3: really important actually because part of my PhD I was
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  Speaker 3: researching around burnout and about half of people in Australian,
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  Speaker 3: New Zealand and Singapore, UK, United States, roughly half across
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  Speaker 3: all of those our feeling symptoms of burnout, and about
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  Speaker 3: ninety percent are saying that it's getting worse. So this
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  Speaker 3: is a big expanding problem. You have written a book
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  Speaker 3: called Ending Body Burnout, Why Body Burnout?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm a functional medicine practitioner along with other modalities,
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  Speaker 4: but we use the term body burnout because when burnout
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  Speaker 4: has been happening for too long, it's not just it's
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  Speaker 4: not just in the mind.
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  Speaker 2: At some point it starts off.
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  Speaker 4: There if you're working a lot, or there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of chronic stress. But when that has been going on
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  Speaker 4: for too long, your body systems literally start burning out
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  Speaker 4: as well. So in functional medicine we're looking at what
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  Speaker 4: body systems are burnt out, what are imbalanced and Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so essentially that's where that term comes from.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, cool and so let's do a little dive before
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  Speaker 3: we get into a boat, which are when you talk body,
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  Speaker 3: do you mean you incorporating the Brillan here as well?
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  Speaker 1: Are you talking about lou the neck?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 2: Everything?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, So we're talking about the whole thing, but
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  Speaker 3: the physical body, not just the thoughts and and things
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  Speaker 3: like that, they actual physical manifestation of it, yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the three.
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  Speaker 4: Main symptoms that often show up when someone's in deeper
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  Speaker 4: depths of body burnout energy issues, definitely, mood issues, so
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  Speaker 4: there's still mental emotional component to it, and gotten inflammatory
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  Speaker 4: issues and that's usually when you know that those body
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  Speaker 4: systems really burnt out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, cool. And so why did you write the book?
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  Speaker 1: What inspired you to getting into it in the first class?
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  Speaker 4: It was my journey first, So after I had Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I had body burnout three times, like three pretty big
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  Speaker 4: episodes where I had a lot of chronic health issues,
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  Speaker 4: and all started after my daughter, I had my first baby,
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  Speaker 4: so she's now thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: And after I had her it.
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  Speaker 4: Was quite a traumatic birth. So even previous before that,
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  Speaker 4: I'd been doing a peer at a very young age,
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  Speaker 4: and I was that classic overachiever, addictive doer, perfectionist. So
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  Speaker 4: I was already creating all these burnout patterns inside my system.
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  Speaker 4: But after I had my baby, my body literally just
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  Speaker 4: burnt out. Yeah, and every month, instead of me bouncing
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  Speaker 4: back as some women do when they have babies, I
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  Speaker 4: was accumulating more and more and more health symptoms and
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  Speaker 4: just got stuck in the medical system, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: my bloods will come back fine. Sometimes my thorroad was
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  Speaker 4: a little bit out, but not enough to be a
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  Speaker 4: diagnosed disease. And so then I started looking into nutrition
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  Speaker 4: and into the body systems, and then later on into
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  Speaker 4: what we call the metaphysical parts of us, so the
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  Speaker 4: unconscious mind, the neural pathways, the mental emotional component that
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  Speaker 4: really caused the body burnout in myself in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: That's an interesting combination, right, being a highly driven perfectionist,
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  Speaker 3: because perfectionists are more prone to burnout yep, because it's
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  Speaker 3: just nothing's ever good enough and it has to be
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  Speaker 3: more and more and more and more more. B And
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  Speaker 3: that I think in conjunction with being driven, because you know,
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  Speaker 3: some people can be perfections about certain things, but when
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  Speaker 3: you're driven and perfectionistic, Oh, and then you're taking on
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  Speaker 3: a pH D as well, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then syndrome as well. I'm like, I'm too young to
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  Speaker 2: be here and I'm teaching people.
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  Speaker 1: So all of that stuff is bad enough.
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  Speaker 3: And then you go through the stress of pregnancy, because
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  Speaker 3: pregnancy is ludicrously stressful in the body. You know, women's
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  Speaker 3: brains shrink in pregnancy. I think if women knew what
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  Speaker 3: was what they were in for, freaking half of them
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  Speaker 3: just wouldn't because it's just essentially and look, I've got
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  Speaker 3: two kids and they're awesome, but they started off life
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  Speaker 3: as parasites that just suck nutrients out of mum and
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  Speaker 3: have pretty bad impacts. And it's interesting because I've done
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  Speaker 3: a fair bit of research on what happens in the
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  Speaker 3: brain in burnout, in what they call clinical burnout, so
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  Speaker 3: and the real of researchers, we'll talk about clinical and
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  Speaker 3: non clinical burnout. And clinical is where you actually see
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  Speaker 3: the brain becomes wired differently. There's loss of functional connectivity,
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  Speaker 3: particularly in the frontal lobes. There's the amygdala gets bigger
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  Speaker 3: and becomes more sensitive. There's just you know, there's a
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  Speaker 3: whole weep of bad ship that goes on with that.
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  Speaker 3: And then you throw in pregnancy on that and women's
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  Speaker 3: brain shrinking basically because they're getting stripped of Nutrientsjee, it's
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  Speaker 3: no surprise you ended up in as a basket case, and.
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  Speaker 4: That is breastfeeding as well, so bleaching of nutrients. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: it's interesting you say that though. So I remember when
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  Speaker 4: we were trying to fell pregnant, I was also chucking
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  Speaker 4: over exercising. Again, it was a perfectionism over achieving patternher
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  Speaker 4: It's like, I can do twenty pull ups?
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  Speaker 2: Can any other woman do twenty pull ups? I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: there are lots of women that can.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember when we fell pregnant with our first baby.
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  Speaker 4: I ended up having a miscarriage.
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  Speaker 2: But as soon as I felt.
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  Speaker 4: Pregnant, it was probably about four weeks into the pregnancy,
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  Speaker 4: my body just it felt very depleted. It was almost
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  Speaker 4: like I was trying to do a little two kilometer
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  Speaker 4: run as part of a fitness test and my legs
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  Speaker 4: and my arms wouldn't move the way that they usually do.
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  Speaker 4: I felt like lead and I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there was lots going on, but definitely a dream or
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  Speaker 4: fatigue was part of that as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. So how long did it tick
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  Speaker 1: you to get up?
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  Speaker 3: I often talked about a vortex when it comes to bonot,
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  Speaker 3: and I use the analogy of a woolpool, because the
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  Speaker 3: lower dome you get, the stronger the dome would pool
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  Speaker 3: actually becomes.
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  Speaker 1: And when you're in bonot, it's just right down there.
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  Speaker 3: How long did it tick you to get out of
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  Speaker 3: that vortex?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe ten years?
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  Speaker 1: Oh Jesus.
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  Speaker 4: So this is this is where the three burnouts came
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  Speaker 4: into it. And I guess it makes the components of
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  Speaker 4: my book because when I first when my daughter turned one,
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  Speaker 4: I was given a book about nutrition, and by that
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  Speaker 4: time I literally felt like an eighty year old. I
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  Speaker 4: also had a lot of chronic pain in my body,
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  Speaker 4: so some days I was lying in bed, couldn't even
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  Speaker 4: pick up my baby, and read this book that you
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  Speaker 4: could heal your body with good food, that you could
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  Speaker 4: prevent disease with clean, nutritious foods. So my initial step
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  Speaker 4: into healing myself and into natural medicine was through nutrition.
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  Speaker 2: Started fermenting foods and sprouting.
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  Speaker 3: I was supposed to ask, did you get did you
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  Speaker 3: get perfectionistic of boat you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, so this is why I'm getting out of burnout
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  Speaker 4: took ten years because I was like one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: ten percent.
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  Speaker 2: Luckily, I stripped back exercise, so that was.
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  Speaker 4: Beneficial, but look it did, it definitely supported my body
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  Speaker 4: and I felt well enough another year later that I
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  Speaker 4: went in for another baby.
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  Speaker 2: So I had baby number two.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus, yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 4: And this time I'm like, things are going to be
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  Speaker 4: so much better because I'm eating healthy, I'm not exercising
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  Speaker 4: as much, I'm getting better sleep, I went down the
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  Speaker 4: whole low tox living as well. Again quite perfectionist about it.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm like, you know, I'm so healthy this time,
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  Speaker 4: it's going to be amazing. And I had Elsie, our
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  Speaker 4: second baby, and I felt pretty good for two weeks,
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  Speaker 4: and at the two week mark, I'm like, ready to
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  Speaker 4: get back into work, let's do all the things.
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  Speaker 2: And so all those.
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  Speaker 4: Deeper patterns were still there and I couldn't out eat
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  Speaker 4: those deeper patterns, and so then all the symptoms came
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  Speaker 4: raging back. And then that's what led me to functional
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  Speaker 4: medicine to lab test different body systems, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: discovered I had a dreamal fatigue and load, dopamine and
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  Speaker 4: detox pathways and parasites and all sorts stuff, all sorts
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  Speaker 4: of stuff, and started healing those and again things got better,
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  Speaker 4: but it was almost like I had to wrap myself
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  Speaker 4: up in cotton wool so that if I ate a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of sugar or I had some I had
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  Speaker 4: a lot of histamine sensitivities as well, so if I
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  Speaker 4: had too much tomato, or if I had too much stress,
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  Speaker 4: and I do a lot of research around stress, so
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  Speaker 4: I definitely wasn't hardy back then. Or if I only
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  Speaker 4: got eight hours sleep instead of nine hours, slee symptoms
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  Speaker 4: would start showing up. So I thought I was better,
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  Speaker 4: but in hindsight, I was still only managing my symptoms.
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  Speaker 4: And then things really boiled again in COVID so twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 4: all the symptoms came raging back, including insomnia, which I'd
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  Speaker 4: never experienced.
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  Speaker 2: Before, and that was the worst.
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  Speaker 4: And that's where I realized that by this time my
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  Speaker 4: practitioner as well, So it's helping people with their nutrition
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  Speaker 4: with functional medicine protocols, and so I had all the
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  Speaker 4: physical toolkits, but nothing this time worked, nothing budged my
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  Speaker 4: symptoms at all. And that's where I then dove deeper
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  Speaker 4: into healing, deeper unconscious core beliefs and subconscious patterns around
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  Speaker 4: that overdoing, which really was just coming from a fear
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  Speaker 4: of being weak.
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  Speaker 2: And incapable and being found out by other people.
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  Speaker 1: And did juon cover were that?
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  Speaker 3: Because often this shit comes from childhood stuff, right, Did
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  Speaker 3: you pull up that rock and have a look underneath?
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  Speaker 2: I pulled up every single rock.
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  Speaker 4: And it was interesting because I had a like what
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  Speaker 4: I thought was a normal, happy childhood.
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  Speaker 2: I mean and I did.
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  Speaker 4: I was very safe and loved, but looking back, I
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  Speaker 4: was a shy kid and anxious and.
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  Speaker 2: Really petrified.
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  Speaker 4: It around using my voice, and it started off with
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  Speaker 4: public speaking. So an early defining moment was I think
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  Speaker 4: I was about six or seven and I was I'd
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  Speaker 4: memorized a little talk, so I think the talk was
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  Speaker 4: only thirty seconds. It was tiny, tiny, but I was
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  Speaker 4: so proud of myself. I'm like, is this going to
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  Speaker 4: be great? And I'm going to get off and I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to say this talk and I'm not going to
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  Speaker 4: read it. And then the moment that I had the
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  Speaker 4: microphone in front of me, totally forgot what. I shut down,
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  Speaker 4: shut down my systems like fight flight. Actually I was freeze,
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  Speaker 4: burst out.
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  Speaker 2: Crying was so humiliate.
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  Speaker 4: And then I sat on the stage as every other
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  Speaker 4: little kid came up and did their talk perfectly. And
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  Speaker 4: then that's where I started thinking, like, what's wrong with me?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not like the other kids? How can they do
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  Speaker 4: that sort of stuff? And there was just a lot
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  Speaker 4: of reoccurring events with a similar sort of feel that, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: over time cemented a deep belief that I was incapable
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  Speaker 4: and weak, and.
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  Speaker 2: So then I had to try harder.
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  Speaker 1: To try to prove that you weren't.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't an interesting I often say that we are. Everybody
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  Speaker 3: me included is living a personalized hallucination of reality. And
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  Speaker 3: what I mean by that is that you know, our
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  Speaker 3: reality is created by number one, our century perception.
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  Speaker 1: But then High the.
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  Speaker 3: Brillant makes sense of that, and what we now know
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  Speaker 3: is that early life experience. You know, we're born with
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  Speaker 3: over two hundred billion neurons, and I think by about
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  Speaker 3: the age of three, we've lost one hundred billion of them,
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  Speaker 3: and particularly by seven, or at least by seven, we've
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  Speaker 3: lost over one hundred billion neurons. And it's not that
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  Speaker 3: they die, it's synaptic pruning. It's that every experience that
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  Speaker 3: you have when you're young shapes your brain and the
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  Speaker 3: it's emotional experiences that have a disproportionate impact on your brain.
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  Speaker 1: And they and our brains are like a filter.
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  Speaker 3: You know, everybody's viewing the world through these unique filtered glasses.
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  Speaker 3: I remember our quote I think that just brought this
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  Speaker 3: home to me by Amate Gotswami, who is a neuroscientist
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  Speaker 3: and an astrophysicist and a philosopher Indian guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's absolutely brilliant, and.
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  Speaker 3: He said that we do not perceive reality directly. We
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  Speaker 3: perceive reality through the mirror of memory, right, and and
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  Speaker 3: and it's perfect right, because this is what we do.
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  Speaker 3: Any experience that we have is filtered through all of
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  Speaker 3: those memories.
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  Speaker 1: That we're not every single one of them, but but.
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  Speaker 3: They're filtered through this filter that is created by our
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  Speaker 3: experiences of the word and particularly strong emotional experiences. And
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  Speaker 3: and how many people are just influenced by that one
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  Speaker 3: little moment when they were a kid and often humiliation, right,
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  Speaker 3: that's I find that's a massive one. Humiliation and shame
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  Speaker 3: fucking hell. They stay with you forever. That that that
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  Speaker 3: colors your filter massively, and particularly the stuff when we're young,
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  Speaker 3: I think, because then your body's just trying to keep
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  Speaker 3: you safe right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting. You're so smart. I love the
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  Speaker 2: way that you describe the things that I know, but
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  Speaker 2: in a really scientific way. I'm like, what I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know that about the billions of neurons and how it
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  Speaker 2: just like shrinks, But it's not because they died, it's
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  Speaker 2: literally because you then become wired to be ship.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Jesuit said this great saying, give me
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  Speaker 3: a boy to the age of seven, and I'll give
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  Speaker 3: you back a man, right, And neuroscientists call that the
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  Speaker 3: great period of development in the brain, and I think
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  Speaker 3: it's just a huge and it just that there are
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  Speaker 3: little things that happened that just affect us or can't
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  Speaker 3: affect us for long periods unless we then start to
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  Speaker 3: understand them and then start to realize, you know, what's.
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  Speaker 1: Still useful and what was useful.
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  Speaker 3: When I was a kid, but it's no longer serving
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  Speaker 3: me well, right, And I think that's the stuff that
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  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about. But first of all, let's
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  Speaker 3: start with it simple stuff. Right, Let's start So you
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  Speaker 3: talk about three different systems in the book, right, and
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  Speaker 3: you talk about let's talk first of all high level,
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  Speaker 3: the link between the body the mind, and the environment
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  Speaker 3: give us your thoughts on that.
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  Speaker 2: They're all connected.
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  Speaker 4: So the body and the mind, every piece of us
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  Speaker 4: inside of us, the body systems, our thoughts, our feelings,
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  Speaker 4: our emotions, they're all interconnecting with each other. So for example,
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  Speaker 4: I guess like in the health space, if we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about physical we do talk a lot about inflammation. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: what are the things that are inflaming our body? And
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  Speaker 4: surface level stuff is like, yeah, toxins in our environment.
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  Speaker 4: They can be things like mold that can cause mold illness.
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  Speaker 4: There could also be you know, we've just had COVID
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  Speaker 4: a few years ago and some people are still suffering
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  Speaker 4: from longhalk covid, So you can viruses parasites that are
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  Speaker 4: causing inflammation. But your thoughts are also can also be inflammatory.
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  Speaker 4: So things like shameful, guiltful, fearful thoughts are producing the
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  Speaker 4: same hormones and neurotransmitters as something that is toxic that's
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  Speaker 4: outside of you from your environment. And like those toxic
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  Speaker 4: things from the environment too, could be relationships, it could
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  Speaker 4: be a workplace. It's all having the same chemical reaction
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  Speaker 4: in the body. And so that's how Yeah, all three
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  Speaker 4: are very interconnected.
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  Speaker 1: There was a really interesting people.
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  Speaker 3: I read Jesus fifteen years ago, and there's there's an
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  Speaker 3: image that I could almost draw right now, but it
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  Speaker 3: was pretty complicated. It was about psychological stress and high
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  Speaker 3: psychological stress releases stress.
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  Speaker 1: Hormones, then neu adrenaline, cortisol.
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  Speaker 3: Other things that over time in high amounts can directly
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  Speaker 3: cause type two diabetes, cardiovascular disease, increase your risk of cancer.
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  Speaker 1: All of that.
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  Speaker 3: But then what was really interesting in this paper was
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  Speaker 3: they described the pathways that happened that psychological stress then
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  Speaker 3: stimulated the release of certain molecules like nuclear factor kappa bravo,
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  Speaker 3: which then stimulates the liver to produce acute fiaz proteins
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  Speaker 3: and acute fias reactants. Right, And what most people don't
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  Speaker 3: realize is that when you get sick, right, if you've
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  Speaker 3: had a virus or something and you've got no energy,
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  Speaker 3: you're lying in bed, it's not the virus that's done it.
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  Speaker 3: It's that your immune system has detected an invador and
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  Speaker 3: tells the liver to release acute fiase proteins and qt
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  Speaker 3: fiuz reactants that make you feel shit.
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  Speaker 1: It's your body.
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  Speaker 3: Each way of saying hey, Philippa, there's an inveador here,
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  Speaker 3: and we need all of the energy to fight this
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  Speaker 3: inviader because your immune system is very expensive to run, right,
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  Speaker 3: And basically that's why you feel shit, and people who
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  Speaker 3: are chronically stressed, we can measure these in the blood, right,
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  Speaker 3: But then all of that stuff creates inflammation, as you said,
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  Speaker 3: and inflammation stimulates the growth of visceral fat, the fat
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  Speaker 3: around your organs, which then has its own it's its
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  Speaker 3: own hormonal factory.
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  Speaker 1: It produces out adiple kinds.
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  Speaker 3: They are hormones produced from visceral fat that then further
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  Speaker 3: stimulate inflammation.
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  Speaker 1: So we get into this nasty, vicious cycle.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that, to your point, is why people
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  Speaker 3: who have burnout often end up with fibromyalgia or chronic
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  Speaker 3: fatigue or autoimmune conditions, is because of their chronic systemic
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  Speaker 3: inflammation that can all come from thinking about shit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and that stuff can be real or imaginary.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You can just be in your fucking head ruminating, stressing
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  Speaker 3: about the future, ruminating about the past, and you create
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: straight you can create stress in your head that goes
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: in concert with all the input stress that you talked
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: about earlier on.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: So it's rigging. Fascinating, isn't it?
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: It is crazy, and I see it in practice, and
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: also you know I touched on it in my own story,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: where then healing can become inflammatory as well, where it's
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: like I have to do this perfectly otherwise I won't
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: get the right results, or I've tried so many things,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: and oh is this just going to be another thing?
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: So it can become this very vicious cycle if you're
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: only doing the healing or trying to heal at a like,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: at a behavioral level.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Right, So let's dive into it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about the body systems that you talk about
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: in the book. So let's talk first of all to
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: our listeners about the I mean, we've talked a little
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: bit about it, but the impact that stress has on
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: bodily systems, and particularly from a functional medicine perspective, how
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: to test for stuff going wrong or imbalances of these.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Sorts of things.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Cool.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: So, the three main body systems that I look at
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: in practice is the nearer endocrine system, the gastro intestinal system,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: and the detoxification system. So the neuroendocrine system is looking
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: at your hormones and most predominantly the adrenals and also
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: sex hormones, but also thorroid logical levels, that sort of stuff.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: And the mitochondria.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: So the mitochondria is all about energy production, taking the
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: food that you're eating and converting that into ATP energy.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: And we also test for neurotransmitters via urine, which I
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: think is really cool, so we can actually see, well,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: what is the state of your what are the levels
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: of your dope meine eur adrenaline? It are they actually
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: burnt out? Is that you know, because we talk a
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: lot about the neurotransmitters getting burnt out and adrenal fatigue,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: but not everyone has the same thing happening in their
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: body systems, even if their symptoms.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Might be the same.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: And we also look at serotonin, which is the beautiful
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: neurotransmitter that helps us to feel safe and happy and
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: at peace and get great sleep at night.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: So that's the neuroendocrine system.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: And it often is can I just ask so when
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you test for those neurotransmitters in the urine, presumably they're
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: just reflective of what is being produced in the last metabolite.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: So what does that reflect? What time period does that reflect?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Is there? It's regarding surround that.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure one hundred percent that answer. So it
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: is just a one spot urin test. But there it's
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: an organic acid test.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: That we use.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm familiar with I'm familiar with that, just.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I've never done it and I'm just not aware of
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: you know how I'm because I know, for instance, if
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: you're testing for say vitamin B or vitamin C, that's
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: just reflective of what you've eaten pretty much in the
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: last twenty four hours. Right, So, but but this will
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: give you an indication. It's a snapshot, but it's an
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: indication of of of how you're functioning basically at that
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: particular moment from a neurotrenchpartters perspective.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Yes, and when the lab companies were creating the lab test,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: they were actually taking the same patients or the samples
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: and testing it every week to see if it was
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: something that was consistent or is it something that moves around.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it usually is like a consistent thing.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: It's not necessarily like, oh, I had a really relaxing day,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: my serotonin's good, but then the next day it was
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: really stressful.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: It's low. It's actually pretty consistent in terms of that
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: person's body's ability to be able to produce those neurotransmitters.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I guess the whole idea is that with
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: the chronic stress, that those vesicles that produce them can
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: actually get burnt out to.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: You and just not going to produce them even if
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you haven't agreed there.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're looking at nutrient levels as well, so
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: things like you need B six and tyrosine and trip
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: to fan they're key amino acids that help to support
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: those neurotransmitters.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, like it might be lack of diet.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: It might be that someone's eating a really low protein
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: diet and that's why their body can't produce those neurotransmitters.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: But when you are in body burnout, your body becomes
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: quite catabolic as well, So you're actually starting to eat
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: away your own muscle to chew and from the barone
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: and burning up those vitamin bs a lot faster than
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: someone who is healthy, well and balanced.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: That reminds me of Professor Bruce Ems who created tree
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: ice theory, which is really caled I love this, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: he basically showed that when you are chronically stressed, your
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: bodies some survival mode, and it's always going to prioritize survival, right,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: And so it has to make stress hormones, It has
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: to make cortisol, it has to make adrenaline, has to
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: make no adrenaline in large amounts. And he showed that
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: it robs the bringing a nervous system of nutrients to
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: create those stress hormones. And so that's why we end
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: up depleted, right, is that tree as is the body going.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Survival is critical. I need to produce shit heaps of
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: stress hormones. Forget about fucking optimal functioning right now. I
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: need those nutrients from over here. And I think this
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: really is billions why people have those cognitive symptoms, those
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: mood symptoms, because, as you rightly said earlier on, if
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: you're not producing urotransmitters, fucking good luck.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it becomes a bit of a double edged
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: sword too, because a lot of people who are then exhausted,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: not thinking straight, overwhelmed, pulling on convenient foods or foods
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: yeah like pep up their energy, Like caffeine, which is
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: a diuretic, so it can pull more stuff out of
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: you rather than put into you.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: And caffeine is just exogenous adrenaline essentially. I mean that's
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: why people drink coffee, you know, That's why they feel good,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: to get a boost of energy from the adrenaline. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I always say to people, you're borrowing from the adrenaline bank,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: and the interest rates of the adrenaline bank are fucking crippling.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: When we're testing for the brain and the adrenals, it
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: is like a very strict no caffeine. Yeah, it will
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: mimic what you're what he's trying to do.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So what other things you sorry because I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: took us on a little deep dive there. So do
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you are you testing?
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Are you looking at cortisol profiles as well? DHA the
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: balance yeah, okay, yeah, yes, yeah, and that DTA cordisole
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: ratio presumably.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeap the HPA access.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: So that's like how well is your brain sending the
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: signals down to the adrenals to not only produce cortisol,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: but the more important hormone when you're looking at the
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: health of your adrenals is DHA. So that's the one
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: that's balancing cortisol back into balance, and it's often the
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: one that depletes first, and then cortisole's left going crazy
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: and essentially your system gets stuck in fight flight freeze
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: when that happens.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And if you get little DTA, good luck producing tetoster
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: exactly an estrogen an esrogen.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, dCas have super important horrimble.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And do you look.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: And the reason I'm asking this question because my little guy,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Oscar had ended up with Cushing's disease from a tumor
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: on the petuitary. So when they tested his first of all,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: they looked at his midnight salivary cortisol and it was
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: through the fucking roof, right, And then they did a
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: twenty four hour urine analysis of cortisol and he had
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: sixteen times the upper limit of cortisol being produced in
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: his body every day because of the tumor. Right, But
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: this is what happens at a lower and fucking hell,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I saw the impact of that, like I saw this happy,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: go lucky little kid who everything was going well for
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: and within I reckon, less than two months, he spiraled
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: into this deep, dark depression and he had no idea
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: what was going on on. He says, I don't know
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: what's happening. I just don't feel like a kid anymore.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: And that I mean I knew it for a bit
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: about court as all, but Jesus Christ that brought it
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: home to me. And he started getting the moon fiercet
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: putting on and he's putting on weir, and this is
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: what happens. You get your body catabolizes your muscles, you
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: put on we it, you get a moon fierce, you
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: get a drags hump, like Jesus, hypercordas all emia.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Fucking hell, that's bad juju. Now Cushing's is obviously the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: extreme of that, but it happens.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: You know, hypercordas omia is happening in Bernard and so interesting,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: So you test.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: That what other things are testing? So how do you
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: test for mitochondria and function?
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Because that's interesting because I'm all over the the mitochondria
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: are so important, right.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So we're looking at it via urine as well,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: and we're looking at the different nutrients and the metabolites
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: that are produced or needed through the citric acid cycle
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: that then products yeah, the energy.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So we're looking at seeing is there enough
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: to say that your mitochondria is functioning well.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and if there's nutritional deficiencies that are blocking
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: your ability to take fats, carbs or proteins and it
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: kind of looks at those macro nutrients separately as well.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Then yeah, the markers will show up high, but there's
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: also a pattern that can show up. If a lot
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: of your mitochondria markers are low, then it actually means
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: the cells have become damaged, which often happens with things
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: like glandular fever, longhol, covid.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Toxins.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the mitochondria are becoming very
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: implicated in long covid and friberma, all of those different things.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: So then what say, somebody's coming back low, and what
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: do you do with them or if they're coming back
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: with a particular stress from the body systems, and what's
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: your approach in this holistic good to hear that, Yes.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: I mean like back in the day when I thought
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: that it's like just it well and take some supplements
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: and everything will be fine.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: That is how I used to practice. It's like take
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: this supplement for this marker.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, I still do that because its speeds healing up
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: when you can discover exactly what your body needs and
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: you can give it at the therapeutic low dose and
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: for the duration.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: That you need.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Then a lot of people, like within three to four
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: weeks is starting to get their energy back, They're starting
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: to feel a bit more calmer, mental clarity is clocking on,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: which then helps them to do more of that deeper
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: root cause work. And so that's where we're then diving into,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: like definitely lifestyle, but deeper looking at the patterns that
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: they're running that have led to their body systems burning
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: out in the first place. So a lot of those
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: overdoing busy perfection people, pleasing patterns, fear based patterns that
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: you know, if you're eating healthy but taking some supplements
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: and maybe sleeping well, your body is still going to
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: be burning up and burning through those body systems if
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: you've got an internal tiger constantly chasing you.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: So we're working on all of that at the same time.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: And how are you assessing that is that through a
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: number of different questionnaires that you've created.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we all when I sorry, I should say
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: when I say we, my husband.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Works inside my practice as well, so it's christ and
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Philly Functional Medicine. But when we're working with.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Our clients, we'll look at their we're literally looking at patterns.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: So just in the same way that to get the
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: physical data, we're using the lab test to look at, well,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: what are the patterns showing up in your body systems,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: which one of which ones are burnt out or overgrown?
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: When it comes to healing rewiring the deeper metaphysical parts
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: of them, we start off with patterns that they're running
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: behavioral patterns, thought patterns, emotional patterns, and then start digging
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: in from there. So every behavior has a belief underneath.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And so then we're getting into like, okay, the what's
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: a defunconscious core belief that you have about yourself?
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: And where did that come from? And what events cause
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: that to happen? And when we have all that data.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Then using different brain rewiring, subconscious repatenting practices to help
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: them essentially change their internal landscape.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: What sort of modalities are you using here?
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I mean I was hearing elements of CBT in there,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: And what are there any particular modalities that you use
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: around these beliefs and helping to rewire.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Is it a system that you guys have come up with?
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of like a mush of lots of things
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: that have right, So neural linguists, he's probably more so
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: than I'm not changed in CBT, but there are some crossovers.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: We also use a lot of somatic practices, so really
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: like neurosensory practices where we can use the body and
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: self touch and breath to help the body and then
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: the brain actually feel safe because if we just stay
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: in our brain, in our mental conscious mind kind of
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: reframing that can it's wonderful and it's part of what
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: we do, but we need the body to also feel
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: safe and to drop into a different way of being
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: and imagination, like when you can richly imagine something new,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: and that's going back into the past and those distressing,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: emotionally charged events that we were talking about earlier, When
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: you can richuly imagine a different ending or a different
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: way of being and move through your timeline and literally
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: like rewrite your own story.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: The unconscious mind doesn't know the difference between real and imagine,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: so it's going to take it on as a new memory.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: It's simple, but it's so powerful.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Uh and and probably quite difficult.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I mean hi, So a couple of questions that then
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: pop into my mind, quidness of the client to this right,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: because particularly we're in the metaphysical, and some people would
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: be a little bit up tight on this and.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Fucking why you told them my my childhood and all
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: this sort of stuff.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: So how do how do you prepare them for getting
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: in there? And and are there some people where you
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: meet them and you just go, this year ain't going
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: to work on you. There's too many walls up here.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know already yet, Well, a great way would
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: be I read my book, listen to our podcast.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that will tell you if you're ready.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, it will if you resonate with it. And
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: it's like, yes, a lot of people who like our clients,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: have worked with a lot of natural paths nutrition as
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: functional medicine practitioners.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And they're open to their stuff.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: Anyway, right, well there there, yes, because they've tried so
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: many physical protocols and they're like, I'm still not where
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: I want to be, and so it's almost like this
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: last leap of faith of this is scary, but I'm
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: diving in.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's heaps of people that aren't ready for this.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that they might not ever be and
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: they can't change, but it's it's.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Hard work and it's it's also the most beautiful.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Work mm hmm.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: And what what is the what does a process look
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: like for doing that that metaphysical work? I mean, is
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: there a is there a sort of a standard pathway
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: that you follow or is it very specific to the
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: individual client. So what I'm trying of getting at is
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: high how do you go about on covering some of
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: these unconscious beliefs that people may have they done in
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: a coach let's talk about your childhood sort of session.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: No, we've created inside of our program.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: So we've got we've got like the physical protocols as
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: people are working through their body systems. That's going to
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: be individual based on what their lab tests come up as.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: But then on the metaphysical side of things, we've created
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: a process. So essentially it's called the first part is reckoning.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: So get clear on your dysfunctional patterns, put all the
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: dirty laundry out on the table. Then go back into
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: the past to connect the dots. It's like, why are
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: these patterns here? Where did they come from? And then
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: what do you want?
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Instead?
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: So really helping them to direct their brain towards what
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: they do want, because if they get stuck in the past,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: nothing changes. You can have so much awareness, but we
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: want to start seeding the brain towards where you want
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: to go. And then the next part is rewiring the
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: brain nervous system regulation, and essentially the core components are
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: creating safeness in the body and deeper parts of you,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: rewriting those stories and those beliefs and those past events
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: that have happened. And then this might sound a bit
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: woo woo, but it's beautiful work starting to communicate with
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: your sensations because we believe that the symptoms that you
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: probably hate on, that you don't want to have anymore,
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: are actually just the most beautiful, loving messages trying to
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: get your attention.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Pain is a great way to get.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Our attention, absolutely, and they have so much wisdom as well.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Like I mean, it probably wouldn't come to a surprise
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: that it's like, oh, okay, right, so this chronic pain
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: is actually because I'm overworking, I'm doing too much.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Why is that the case?
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: So I'm starting to work with the symptoms also using
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: some really specific brain rewiring or retraining techniques that come
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: from It stems from the research of phantom limb pain.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Ah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah cool, yeah, talks to
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: you because this is fascinating.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Ship is so fascinating. I actually had a client yesterday
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: she's like, so, she's like, I don't want to use
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: the word skeptical, but what your brain controls your pain?
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: But then when I just talked about, yeah, well that's
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: what happens. When someone has an arm that has chopped off.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: They don't have a hand anymore, but they're feeling pain
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: in their hand.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: How the heck is that happening?
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: And so when someone's had chronic symptoms or you know,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: they're missing their hand, the brain has remapped the way
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: that the rest of the body is experiencing their reality
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: or you know, they're experiencing their body. So I'll take
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: like something like bloating. You could do all sorts of
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: gut work, and for some people it heals bloating. It's fine,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: But for other people the bloating is still there because
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: over ten years of having this bloating, the brain has
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: associated different triggers. So it might be food, it might
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: be stressed, it might be a sell or a sound.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: And anytime the brain experience is that it sends that
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: signal down to the gut and the bloating shows up.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: But it's very common in chronic pain. What does it
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: see chronic complex chronic pain disorder where you might have
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: had an injury to the back or the hip or
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: the leg. Physically it's healed, but the body is still in.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Pain and the nerve a system still hyper active, right,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: hyper sensitized to it. I remember I remember the Indian
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: neuroscientists Ratchet Dim or something around Fantom Limpin who then
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: discovered the mirror trick that they use with people and
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: just bringing out a false hand and a mirror like
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: I can't remember the detail because it was twenty years ago,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: but it was just like fuck, that's crazy shit, and
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: actually hailed people's phantom limpians because it just confused the
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: bri right and broader out of that pattern. Yeah, so
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: there's so much shit that we really don't understand. I'm
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: interested in the nervous system. You talked about calming the
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: nervous system, because obviously when people are are burnt out,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: their nervous system is on high alert. So what sort
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: of stuff are you doing? You doing any vegal nerve
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: type stuff with these people?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like mission number one, so the corries change, change
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the deep unconscious care belief you have about yourself. So
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: the deepest in other word, is the deepest few you
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: have about yourself, because if that isn't changed and you're
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: only using nervous system regulation practices, whether that's breath work
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: or humming or you know, whatever that is, then you're
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: kind of just managing and putting a bit of a band.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, under a deeper dysregulation.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: So so we're working on that, and that again we're
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: just using really simple things that people can do at home.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: So embodied, I don't love. We do use the word affirmations.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Affirmations can fall flat on your face if you just
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: look in the mirror every day and you're like, I
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: am wonderful if ninety five percent of your unconscious mind, Yeah, if.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: You're gonna I'm wonderful in your unconscious manage going no,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: you're fucking not good ship, And I'll tell you three
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: hundred and one way is why you're shit.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then like, don't look at me in
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: the mirror anymore.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: So when you can embody the new belief and by
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: that you're actually having some sort of visceral, physical, or
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: emotional shift when you're reprogramming those beliefs that self.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: So is that what you mean by imbody You're actually
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: feeling something in the body while you're saying it, right, Okay.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: And even the posture is really important too.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: So if you're kind of like punched over here and
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: saying like I choose to know, I'm I'm good enough
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: and I'm strong and I'm.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Capable, it's like the body is that's disconnected.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Amy cut has done something interesting research on that, right
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: on the impact of your body position on hormones and stuff.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: That was AX talk, wasn't it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: It was a TEDx talk and some people have questioned,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: actually want somebody somebody in her team flag that the
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: data may have been.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Slightly man mishandled.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: But you know, fucking psychology is full of replication crisis, right.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: So coming coming back to so that the whole metaphysical
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: process then, was there anything else on that before we
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: talk about the environment.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Well, visualization could be really helpful.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, cool, Now talk talks to the visualization stuff.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I use visualization because that's the
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: term that most people resonate with, but some people can't
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: and don't visualize or do it very well.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I am sha My wife's great I am fucking rubbish
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: at that whole visualization stuff.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Just don't know what's going on. Do you do.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Any practices where you have your eyes closed and you're
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: imagining something.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I have had people gay that have been in workshops,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: people going and I'm just like.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: There's just nothing.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is this is important people, because if.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Someone should I know that I don't on the coach.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, let's do this, so it's okay.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Not every one visualizes, but you will still imagine.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah cool.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Let you close your eyes right now, Paul yeap, and
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: just imagine you're picking this beautiful plump lemon off a tree. Oh,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and you put it up to your nose and you
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: smell it.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: It's like cool, so fresh, And then you cut it
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: in half and you put it in your mouth and you.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Suckle that delicious juice out of it and makes your
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: body shut up.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Nah naha.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: But how did you know that you're experiencing a lemon? Oh?
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I actually didn't experience because I was as.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: You're saying that, I'm like, I'm waiting for the salivation
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: to happen, and it's.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Just like fucking nothing, and you're saying, but I can't,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: so I don't picture, okay, stuff, I'm trying to picture
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: myself and it's just like fuzzy.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: No, okay, So you're probably more like a straight auditory
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: ah OKAYI the words, you follow it, but you don't
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: have kind of like a visceral response in your body
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: or you visualize it. Like, I think that's important.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: I think people need to learn how they imagine, so
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: then you can use that up and like.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like learning, right, people learn, some people
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: learn auditory, some people are visual, right, So it's the
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: different learning starts, right, and so I need to tap
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: into a different way of visualizing or imagery.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, or you just stick with auditory, okay, but
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: you really harness that and you can also practice like
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Almvrain is amazing, so you can practice different ways of
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: imagining as well. So anyway, like that imagination piece is
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: like who do you want to be? Imagine in the morning,
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: when you're in bed, before you get up for the day,
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: how are you going to show up to you?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Imagine your unconscious mind were taken on his new memory.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the whole getting in touch with all of you.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: They're bringing all your senses to it and stuff like that, right,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: the rich in the experience. Here, there's a guy in
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Plymouth University did functional imagery training with athletes and then
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: did it with with with other people. Words that whole
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: functional imagery where there's a guided meditation and they create
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: that the whole thing, and they're bringing the whole census
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: and it's actually really really effective. So yeah, look, I
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: get it. I'm just I'm just ship at the visualizing bit,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: but I am quite good at imagining, you know how
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: I want to show up and all of that sort
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: of stuff.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, awesome, Yeah, yeah cool.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about the the last piece, which is
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: the environment. So because obviously that obviously plays a role,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: whether it's your house, your foods, your your workplace. You know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: different stressors, different toxins that mean the fucking hell an
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: endless of might, right, plastics, microplastics, all of this stuff.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: So what do you do. What's your approach in first
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: helping people to.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Analyze their environment and then around obviously getting an environment
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: that is supportive.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is actually probably okay. I was going
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: to say it's the easiest piece on the physical side
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: of things. It can be the easiest piece of the puzzle.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: I'll talk about relationships and stuff in a second, because
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: that would.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the kind of ones.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: There's a whole new podcast.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: There's a whole new vodcast. But I like to keep
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: it simple.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: When someone is looking at is there anything in their
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: house that might be preventing them from healing or causing
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: more body burnout to their body systems. So looking in
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: your cupboards, what skin care are you using, what cleanings
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: are you using?
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Also like, is.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: There any visual black mold anywhere in your house or
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: can you smell it?
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Because that will fuck you up big time? Right? So bad?
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Not well, I mean it's it's bad.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: But a quarter of the population have a gene mutation
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: that causes them that causes their immune system to overact,
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: over react to the mold. So that's quite a big
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: that's massive. So in terms of okay, if there's mold,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: that's a whole thing to like get rid of that
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: or to move from that. But the skin care, cleaning products,
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: even your food sources, it's actually pretty easy. Not a
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: lot of people are addicted to the toilet cleaner that
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: they're using. Some people might find it harder to get
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: rid of chocolate or you know, processed sugar and that
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: sort of stuff. But I would start off with your
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: cleaning products, and there's so many options now where you
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: can buy organic, natural you can even make your own
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: very cheaply, very easily.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Vinegar and yeah, vinegars fucking oil.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Vinegar and bacarp disordered together. Jesus Christ. That's good ship.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Sprinkling some essential oils and it will smell.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a really important pot thing,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: right because.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: It and a lot of people don't realize that it's
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: the overall toxic load in your body interacting with high
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: resilient your body is right nigh And to your point,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: if there's lots of that stress and all that stuff
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: that we talked about, your immune system is low. And
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: if your cope in bay eating shit food and drinking alcohol,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: you're further impacting it. And stuff that would normally from
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: a toxins in the environment.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: The overall toxic.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Load, which which may not have been a problem before
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: now all of a sudden can become a massive problem.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Right yeah. Absolutely, Hence why you do all of these things.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: This is why, and the neural pathway can start pathways
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: can start becoming involved as well, where it's like, oh,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: I used to be able to smell perfume and you know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: cleaning products and it was fine, but now my body
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: like the moment that I smell the smallest amount that
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: doesn't have time to get into the liver.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: So it must be a brain thing.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, brain, the ambig dealer is it's again, it's like
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: another danger sign that then triggers a whole heap of symptoms.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: For some people.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: So working on that and it's pretty I mean, you
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: can get really geeky, but probably the easiest way of
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: figuring out if you've got toxic stuff in your cupboards
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: is there's a great website called www dot EWG dot org.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: When I was going.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Through my load, is that the Environmental Working Group?
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the one Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: it's pretty cool.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So when I was going through my low tox phase.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: This is before there were any apps, Like there's lots
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: of different apps you can buy now to and you
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: just scan your product. But I use that website and
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: every single ingredient I put into the website, it's like,
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: is this safe? So it will come up with green
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: if it's safe natural.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Orange.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: If there's some studies that might go to or fro
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: in terms of some people may be fine with it,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: some people might not, and then red zone would be get.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: It out of your house.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: So I was really looking for those red ones initially
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: to just clear all those out. And I had a
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: very bad habit of waste not want not, So I'm like,
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: I'll just keep all this nail polish and when I
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: finish it, or then I'll throw it all out and.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I'll never buy it again until my child.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: I came home one day and my child had smashed
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: them all and she was painting with them on the tiles. No,
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: and that was a great opportunity to say, let's just
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: ditch all this stuff right now.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: We don't need that.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Ship's going to be some of the worst, right So
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: what what?
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: What are some of the Because I've been reading recently
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: about perfume and after She and the fucking horrible ship
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: in that and the more expensive it is, generally the
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: more the ship that it has in it. And because
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I think it's really important for people to understand that
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: the skin is the biggest organ in the body and
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: it absorbs anything.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: That you put on it.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So what tend to be the biggest things that
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: people should look out for in terms of ingredients, in
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: terms of well or in terms of just products or friends.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can. You can talk brands for sure.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: Mostly anything in the cleaning aisles or the skincare aisles
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: in woolworthel coals or department stores, like basically like ninety
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: percent of them, they're going to be pretty toxic.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: A really sneaky ingredient will be fragrance.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's the one I was talking about earlier on
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: If it says fragrance, it's like fark and bar Bard, right, yeah, yeah.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: And it's really sneaky because there's no laws or what
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: is it. It's the privacy, you know, when any manufacturer
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: creates an ingredient, it's.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Like you can't ah yeah, proprietary.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Stuff, that's it.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so they'll just call it fragrance because they
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: don't want anyone else to steal their recipe. But there's
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: so much stuff and often a chemical cord formaldehyde, which
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: was used was it back in the war, It was
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: quite a while ago, but they used it on dead
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: people's bodies to prevent them.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: From Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and birth defects and all sorts of shit for
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: malbeky doesn't it. Yeah, So cleaning products, anything on the skin,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: you've got to be aware of. And you could, I guess,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: jump onto environmental working group and then you just plug
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: in the ingredients and it's going to flash like mad.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: And then what about.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Things like even deodorant, toothpastees, you know these sorts of
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: things that you factor those in as well.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Colgate is not good.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I started using about eighteen months
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: ago was just baking soda.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: And then I interviewed on my podcast.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: He was brilliant actually, and it was all about natric oxide,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: which is so so important for us, and he said,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: toothpaste kills naitric oxide completely fucks it up. And he
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: said mouthwash is one of the worst things that you
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: could do for your nitric oxide. Natric Oxide is what
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: opens up all your blood vessels. It's good for your heart,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: it's good for your brilling. And he's like, yeah, toothpeaste
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: and mouthwash just destroyed natric oxide because a lot of
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: it it starts in their miyes.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm using a tooth soap at the moment. Okay,
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: it's just soap with the senseil oils made by someone
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: local to me. That you know, there's so many different
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: options that you can use. It's just thinking outside the
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: box and getting out of those old patterns that we
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: were so used to growing up.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: And yeah, absolutely, and even like moisturizers, there's a learly
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: I know who created this beef tallow moisturizer, and it's
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: fucking brilliant for the skin. And I beef tallow is
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: amazing for the skin and what I've used, I've used
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: it for years.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Because it was just one of those little things. Gen
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Geen Mari Clemont or Gene Clemont.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Was the oldest living woman in the world at the time.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: She thinks she lived to like one hundred and twenty
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: or something like that, and she spoke until she was
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: one hundred and then she thought she should give up.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: But they asked her about the secret to her longevity,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: and obviously she's got good genes, right, But she said
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: she eats stark chocolate every day and the only moisturize
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: that she used for one hundred odd years was extra
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: virgin olive oil.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: And I have a.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Little thing of extra virgin olive oil, and that's what
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: I use on my baldy head.
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: So shiny, yes exactly, because I thought, fucking hell, that
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: just makes so much sense because you know it's absorbed
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: into your skin, So why would you put you know.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: If you look at moisturize the shit that's in them,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: why wouldn't you use something that that's actually good, that's
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: going to be absorbed. Yeah cool, So so now or
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: we because we are just about our time the very quickly.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Your book follows the stories of three women rules he
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: is alone, Aila, pick one on them to tell us about.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Oh gosh okay.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Or an overview of the review of them.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Well, all three a combination.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: They're not real people, but they're combinations of women that
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: I've worked with, including myself. So I one of the characters,
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  Speaker 4: Hazel is probably more what I used to be, like,
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  Speaker 4: the very overdoing perfectionists got.
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  Speaker 2: To be the best. And then Rose is more.
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  Speaker 4: Of the people pleaser, so but she's still got very
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  Speaker 4: busy patterns. It's just showing up in different ways. And
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  Speaker 4: then Ayla is a woman that has had a lot
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  Speaker 4: of trauma in her life, and so she's very in
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  Speaker 4: functional freeze and so they're presenting in different ways in
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  Speaker 4: terms of their patterns. They've all got body burnout symptoms,
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  Speaker 4: but slightly different, And throughout the book, I basically use
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  Speaker 4: those characters as a vehicle into what it looks like
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  Speaker 4: to heal from body burnout and your body burnout and
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  Speaker 4: a really holistic root call.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cool, and one.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't one doesn't do it in the end, because sometimes
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  Speaker 2: that happens. Sometimes it's too hard and it's just like, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather stay in pain.
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  Speaker 1: Then get on the other side, then do the hard work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And eventually they'll have a go again whenever it
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  Speaker 3: becomes important enough. Very cool, so, Philip, But where can
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: people go to find out about your work? Obviously the book,
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: But if they want to take on you and your
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: husband to help them get out of the funk, where's.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: The best place to go for all the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: you do?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so our website would be the place where we
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  Speaker 4: have all the bits and pieces. So www dot Chris
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  Speaker 4: and Philly dot FM. Hopefully that'll be in the show
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  Speaker 4: notes because it's people will get the spelling wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I will put that in the show notes for sure,
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  Speaker 1: and that.
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  Speaker 2: Will Yeah, you can grab a copy of my book
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: off there, and our main program that people work through
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: if you want to get someone on one support to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: lob test your body systems and work through the metaphysical
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: healing is the ending bodyburnout method. So course on our
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: website as well.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I like people who are pro academics, right,
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  Speaker 3: who've actually not just come at this from a theoretical
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: academic perspective, that have actually been on the journey themselves.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that gives a fur chunk of extra
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: gravitas so helps you have a really good understanding of
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: what's happening with the client. So create to see you
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: on the other side.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Of the funk. Keep keep doing your work.
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  Speaker 3: And I think you are in an industry one of
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: the few that's not going to become affected adversely by AI.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's so true. Oh my gosh, you're in it.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: You're in a growth industry for sure. Good stuff. Thanks fellowes,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Co