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Improvising as a state of being · Life In Flow Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Life in Flow podcast.
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The three of us,
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Yulia,
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Polina,
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and Irina,
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are exploring what Life in Flow and Flow in Life is.
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Join us as we experiment,
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test our diverse hypotheses,
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and have fun in the process.
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SPEAKER_00: Will we find an answer?
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SPEAKER_00: This isn't just an intellectual discussion.
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SPEAKER_00: We're co-creating a shared field beyond words.
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We're attuning to what emerges moment by moment so that the
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conversation itself
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SPEAKER_00: becomes a group flow experience.
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SPEAKER_01: And we invite you to become an active participant in this experiment.
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SPEAKER_01: There will be pauses and moments of silence.
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SPEAKER_01: We leave them on purpose because this is where magic happens.
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SPEAKER_01: Go beyond the intellectual information.
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SPEAKER_01: Listen with your whole body.
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SPEAKER_01: and notice how your somatic experience shifts in the process.
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Share with us what reveals itself in the space where mind,
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body,
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and energy flow together.
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SPEAKER_02: Hello everyone and welcome to the first episode of Life & Flow podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: This is me, Yulia, and with me today and in future episodes are
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SPEAKER_02: Paulina.
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SPEAKER_02: And Irina.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: And we will introduce ourselves in a little bit more detail later.
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SPEAKER_02: But just to give you an idea of what will be happening today,
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SPEAKER_02: we just wanted to share with you who we are and what is it,
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SPEAKER_02: Flo,
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SPEAKER_02: that we're so passionate about and about the history and history
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SPEAKER_02: the future of life and flow podcast as we imagine it now.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm just going to give you a little bit of the backstory to tiny bit,
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SPEAKER_02: but this is our second tape.
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The first of recording the first episode and the first time
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what we did,
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um,
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SPEAKER_02: We talked a lot and we didn't really like the sense of flow.
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SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it was there and sometimes it wasn't.
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SPEAKER_02: This is our experiment.
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SPEAKER_02: We're going to do it the second time and a little bit differently.
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To try and create and preserve more flow,
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a lot of this will be improvised.
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SPEAKER_02: So there wasn't much prepping.
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The only one who knows the questions that are going to be asked
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today is me.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be facilitating this episode.
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SPEAKER_02: And I want you to keep this in mind as you listen to the episode.
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Also,
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we invite you to,
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as we maybe go into an exercise,
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as we share,
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first...
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SPEAKER_02: Kind of like see if you can be aware of what's happening,
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SPEAKER_02: not only at the intellectual level,
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SPEAKER_02: but at the level of what you're feeling,
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SPEAKER_02: what your senses,
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SPEAKER_02: sensing.
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And also there will be an exercise where I will invite you to
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join in as well.
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Okay,
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with that short introduction,
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I'm going to start with a small exercise we're going to do.
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beginning and the exercise is about coming up with a couple of
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stories in response
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to a word that i have come up with that again the girls don't
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know the word and
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that word is improvising i feel this is a big part of um flow
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well an important
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SPEAKER_02: part of flow anyway this is what we're doing a lot of today so
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SPEAKER_02: I'm inviting you to see what comes up as you hear the word improvising,
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SPEAKER_02: maybe a story and experience and share with us.
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SPEAKER_02: Do we have an order or we go, is it closed?
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SPEAKER_02: I imagine to go with its flaws.
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SPEAKER_02: So do you have an idea already?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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What came to my mind immediately actually is a story that I
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have just shared with
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SPEAKER_02: Polina just before we started recording our episode.
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SPEAKER_02: And it is one of the...
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situations that in my memory is recorded as one of the
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brightest experiences of flow I had.
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SPEAKER_02: And it was an experience of cooking.
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SPEAKER_02: I just came from a concert.
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SPEAKER_02: I felt very inspired by the music and I was in a group of friends.
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SPEAKER_02: So I volunteered to cook a dinner.
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And all I remember is the sensation that I was just dancing
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with the process,
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SPEAKER_02: with all the ingredients.
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SPEAKER_02: And...
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And then we were at the table and everyone was saying,
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like,
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wow,
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it's so delicious.
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SPEAKER_02: What is the recipe that you used?
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SPEAKER_02: And I was like, recipe?
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't have any recipe.
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SPEAKER_02: I actually don't know what I did.
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SPEAKER_02: I was just, like, in the moment.
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SPEAKER_02: And it was coming up all, like, it was just emerging.
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SPEAKER_02: I have no idea what I did.
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SPEAKER_02: And it was, yeah, total improvisation that everyone liked it.
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SPEAKER_02: And improvisation that ended up in the way that people liked it.
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SPEAKER_02: Probably could have been otherwise also.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Because who knows what's around you.
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I usually tend to improvise during cooking and sometimes it
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doesn't go well.
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SPEAKER_02: But that experience, you know, like when just you feel...
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like what should go into word each moment and like the most
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clear sensation really
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SPEAKER_02: is just it was a dance.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So a beautiful and tasty outcome of an improvisation.
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um based on what you just shared it uh triggered in in me like
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a whole sequence
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flow sequence of what at first the word improvisation literally
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made my body go
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like this i don't know if you noticed i was like oh
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improvisation is this thing
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SPEAKER_00: it's this like sway with the with yourself with the field and actually um
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it's so true that improvisation and cooking for me is also a
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strong connection i i
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almost never follow a recipe even if i read a recipe i still
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then put it aside and
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then i kind of getting to this flow state where i'm sort of
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tasting stuff without
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physically actually putting into my mouth i'm like kind of
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using my imagination to
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SPEAKER_00: be like oh yeah this would taste together based on i guess
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SPEAKER_00: what my memory contains in terms of data about the ingredients.
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SPEAKER_00: And also for me,
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what came up was improvisation has to do like a direct
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connection to trust,
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SPEAKER_00: like self-trust.
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SPEAKER_00: So the more self-trust I have,
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SPEAKER_00: the more improvisation becomes actually like a flow of life for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Because really,
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SPEAKER_00: if you break it down,
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SPEAKER_00: like as I was breaking it down,
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SPEAKER_00: as you were talking,
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SPEAKER_00: I was like,
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SPEAKER_00: wait,
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SPEAKER_00: there's improvisation in like every aspect of life,
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SPEAKER_00: really,
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SPEAKER_00: unless you're like specifically
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uh preparing for an exam right and there's a this is a very
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concrete thing you're
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SPEAKER_00: doing but like in general um
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Life is one big improvisation and every time you show up,
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it is another improvisation.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I used to have a bit of a negative connotation with that word.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know why, but that came up for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Like as if it's not an improvisation is not being real,
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but now it's really transformed to know that like improv is
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almost the most real in
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SPEAKER_00: the moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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what's the word you know in the moment exploration of yourself
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and whatever
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elements you're coming into contact with yeah yeah like the
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salt and pepper and
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sugar okay yeah that's cool so both of you um somehow um had
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some experience
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SPEAKER_02: related to cooking in response to improvisation hmm
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SPEAKER_02: I also always improvise, never follow a single recipe exactly.
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SPEAKER_02: Actually, something else came to mind.
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I also wasn't really preparing anything,
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trusting that I would just come up with something.
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SPEAKER_02: Last week, I went to a jazz concert at a school.
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And it was the German army,
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actually the orchestra of the German army performing.
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SPEAKER_02: Well,
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they had some kind of a workshop that they did at the school
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where a child of our
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SPEAKER_02: friends goes.
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SPEAKER_02: But anyway, so they were really professional players.
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Basically,
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those are musicians that they are the army,
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but their work is just to play.
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SPEAKER_02: And they were doing really well.
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SPEAKER_02: But it was good quality.
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SPEAKER_02: And I was, okay, yes, good.
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SPEAKER_02: You can see that they have been practicing a lot, maybe many years.
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SPEAKER_02: And then at some point,
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I think it was a piece where I don't know if they decided to
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improvise or it was
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SPEAKER_02: planned.
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SPEAKER_02: A few of them, I think five of them, stood up in the group.
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SPEAKER_02: And then they started...
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doing these things where it's like moving the bodies and like I
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got goosebumps.
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It was the change in energy,
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the change in music,
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the change in my perception.
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SPEAKER_02: It was so strong and all they did, they kind of, I guess,
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know what was happening.
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I guess they got the autonomy,
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creativity back,
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and of course,
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trust in themselves.
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SPEAKER_02: So they created group flow, as we would say, right?
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SPEAKER_02: That feels you're all on the same wavelength.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyway, that was really cool.
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SPEAKER_02: I enjoyed it a lot.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's my story.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so anything else comes to mind before we move to the questions?
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SPEAKER_02: I've got, let's say, five to seven questions, depending on how it goes.
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SPEAKER_02: So they won't be long type discussion questions.
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SPEAKER_02: But for now, anything else?
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SPEAKER_02: Any questions?
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SPEAKER_02: stories, anything that you want to share?
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I just want to share my experience of what I was feeling while
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I was listening to your stories.
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SPEAKER_02: Because when Polina started talking about dancing,
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I really felt these movements and actually I remember that
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dancing is also for me
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SPEAKER_02: one of the great areas where I always improvise.
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SPEAKER_02: And then,
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SPEAKER_02: talking about the shift in the state,
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SPEAKER_02: when you started talking about the trust in yourself,
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SPEAKER_02: what trust really provoked this shift in the state for me,
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SPEAKER_02: and I just felt like more centered,
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SPEAKER_02: more present,
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SPEAKER_02: allowing myself just to be.
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SPEAKER_02: And then when Eula started talking about the jazz and the music,
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SPEAKER_02: I felt again this sort of like the flowy movements in the body.
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SPEAKER_02: It was very serious.
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yeah i was also experiencing it with um my body my whole body
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and i experienced it
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in my body as as soon as you mentioned the proposition that was
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my first response
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and then my brain was like polina you're really gonna move your
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body now and then
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some other aspect of polina was like yeah i'm gonna really move
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my body now
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SPEAKER_00: That's why it's called trust, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And I guess that resonated in the field with Ira.
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SPEAKER_00: That was cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Wait, can I ask you a question?
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SPEAKER_00: Is trust actually also part of your example with the band?
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SPEAKER_02: Totally.
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I think if they didn't trust themselves,
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they probably wouldn't have generated this group flow.
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SPEAKER_02: It was like an energetic field that they were holding,
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SPEAKER_02: let's say,
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SPEAKER_02: and they were radiating that into this huge hall where
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SPEAKER_00: And trust also of one another then, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm kind of, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think so.
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SPEAKER_00: Create something like that together,
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which I think actually is an element that's in the field
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between the three of us.
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It's not just like the topic matter and the exploration of flow
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and all that cool stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: But actually there is,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: I feel an inherent trust with the two of you,
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SPEAKER_00: which allows me to explore things to a greater extent.
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SPEAKER_00: So I just wanted to...
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bring that in because that was up for me at the moment yeah an
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important trigger of
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group flow trust yeah okay so we're gonna move to questions now
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and probably if you
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are listening this you have noticed and maybe you were
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wondering what kind of
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SPEAKER_02: accent is this that I have and that Ira has
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SPEAKER_02: not so much Polina.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll let you all in a secret.
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SPEAKER_02: We actually have come together also.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's a part of it that we're of the same heritage.
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SPEAKER_02: We come originally from Russia, where we were born.
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SPEAKER_02: This is where my
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a short bio like where you are in the world and how you got
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there just a brief story
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SPEAKER_02: Like a like a personal story?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Like not anything too deep, just like.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: So I am currently living in San Diego in the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: I came here via New York.
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SPEAKER_00: And before New York, it was Russia.
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SPEAKER_00: And so my family immigrated when I was 10.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I spent the next many, many, many years in New York.
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SPEAKER_00: And then about eight years ago, I moved here.
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And during this time,
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I ended up being in the Netherlands for over a year.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's when I was introduced to this cool networking group of women.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's where I met Yula.
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and part of us meeting was the heritage element which I was in
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the process of like
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experimenting with playing with maybe re uh what's the word you
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know re researching
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SPEAKER_00: not researching like
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SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I'm like losing my mind.
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SPEAKER_00: Reintegrating?
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SPEAKER_00: Reintegrating, that's a good word.
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Yes,
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reintegrating around,
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figuring out what does it mean that this is my heritage?
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SPEAKER_00: And so...
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SPEAKER_00: I was,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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I was in this group and then I saw Yula and there was like this
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immediate,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: you got to reach out to her.
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SPEAKER_00: Is she Russian?
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And then,
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you know,
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one part of my brain was like,
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Polina,
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don't reach out to Russia.
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SPEAKER_00: She's Russian.
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SPEAKER_00: Like,
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you're not going to be able to connect you because I in my
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experience in the past,
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't been able to connect to really legit Russian people from like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: they've spent more time in Russia.
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SPEAKER_00: But.
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energetically in the field it was like no polina you gotta you
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gotta reach out to
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her so i followed that that thread that pull and it was one of
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the coolest things
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ever and then julia was gracious enough to um invite ira and me
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into a group
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SPEAKER_00: together and then i was like
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oh my god this is so cool because i'm literally going through
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this whole process of
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reintegrating what does it mean to be russian um and now i am
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in front of these two
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women that are very different in terms of my experience in the
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past they're open
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they're like they're doing all these cool things and so it was
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i don't know it was
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just all lighting up it was definitely an experience of flow um
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yeah so does that
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SPEAKER_00: cover your question
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's, it's your story.
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SPEAKER_02: So it covers my question.
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SPEAKER_02: It's you, you, you were born in St.
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SPEAKER_02: Petersburg and what age did you move to the States?
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SPEAKER_02: St.
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SPEAKER_02: Petersburg and I moved when I was 10.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: New York.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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My story is that I was born and grew up in a secret town that
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was not on the maps
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of Soviet Union because it was an academic town that held like
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about more than 20
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SPEAKER_02: research centers in all kind of sciences.
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And my Spanish friends tend to joke that I'm a result of the
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scientific experiment,
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which is
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SPEAKER_02: Sort of true,
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partly because I studied in an experimental school and the
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Ministry of Education
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tested on us all different kind of innovations they wanted to
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introduce into the
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SPEAKER_02: education system.
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SPEAKER_02: So they tested it on us.
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And my whole life was always revolved around all kinds of
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different creative activities.
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SPEAKER_02: But at a certain point, I had a hiccup.
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And I ended up in a corporate world and working for an American
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multinational
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SPEAKER_02: corporation,
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SPEAKER_02: which brought me from Moscow to Barcelona,
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SPEAKER_02: where I live now.
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SPEAKER_02: After they brought me here,
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I realized that the corporate finances is not the thing I
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wanted to do in my life.
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SPEAKER_02: That I wanted to do something creative, so I said bye-bye.
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SPEAKER_02: Since then,
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I'm just exploring all kinds of creative endeavors here on the
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creative streets of
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SPEAKER_02: Barcelona.
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SPEAKER_02: So you were in finance?
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SPEAKER_00: Wait,
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I didn't know this because you and I have like a similar
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background then because I
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SPEAKER_00: also had a hiccup in the finance world.
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SPEAKER_00: But maybe three of us.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't call it a hiccup, but I was also in finance.
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SPEAKER_00: I would definitely call it a hiccup.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was just observing something I wasn't made for.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't belong.
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SPEAKER_00: But it was an interesting experiment.
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SPEAKER_02: It was definitely an interesting experience.
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SPEAKER_02: But I have to admit,
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the four years I spent at the economics department of Moscow
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State University,
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SPEAKER_02: I was like,
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SPEAKER_02: what am I doing here?
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SPEAKER_02: But still, after that,
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SPEAKER_02: I went to business school to do an MBA.
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SPEAKER_02: That's part of your biography.
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SPEAKER_02: You never shared before.
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SPEAKER_00: You never shared that.
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I love that we're constantly learning new things as we're
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progressing in this project.
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SPEAKER_02: That's quite a long hiccup, it sounds like.
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SPEAKER_02: Two years as an MBA.
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then the finance yeah i was also around that same time about
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six six over six years
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uh in finance yeah yula what's your story so i was um we were
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in russia i said
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SPEAKER_02: in a city called Rezai.
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SPEAKER_02: It's about 300 kilometers from Moscow.
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SPEAKER_02: But actually not even in the city or in the town, but in the village.
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SPEAKER_02: And I dreamt for a long time that I would leave that village forever.
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SPEAKER_02: I would just not be back.
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SPEAKER_02: Now I'm so longing to be back.
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SPEAKER_02: I miss it so much.
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SPEAKER_02: I've been home for three years.
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And so I was actually at the pedagogics university where I was
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studying English and
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SPEAKER_02: German as a teacher.
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And then at the end of it,
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so it happened that I moved to California with three friends of
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mine.
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and um also to do an mba which was a story because all of us we
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like had almost no
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money what we're going to do and how we're going to pay for the
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mba part of it was
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finance but only the first semester where we're going to leave
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that was uh all big
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SPEAKER_02: big big question anyway we made it and um nick put
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SPEAKER_02: Seven years I lived in California doing different things.
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SPEAKER_02: One of them was corporate finance after the MBA.
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SPEAKER_02: So look at us, huh?
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SPEAKER_02: Hiccups, financial hiccups.
23:55
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, then I got back to Moscow.
24:01
SPEAKER_02: Before that, we stopped with my family in France for a year.
24:05
And then back to Moscow and then now I'm in Berlin,
24:11
been in Berlin for seven years.
24:14
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, it's kind of geographically, that's the story.
24:18
I've been doing a lot of different things from corporate
24:26
finance to Greenpeace,
24:28
SPEAKER_02: to freelancing,
24:31
SPEAKER_02: nutrition,
24:32
SPEAKER_02: breathing.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: herbs, coaching, lots of different stuff.
24:38
But we'll probably get into some of the things that we do later
24:43
on because that's
24:45
SPEAKER_02: actually what my next question is going to be.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: So it's what is that brought you into the topic of flow?
25:01
SPEAKER_02: You?
25:03
Also,
25:03
actually,
25:03
before that,
25:05
maybe just a couple of words about what Flow is.
25:16
SPEAKER_02: Well, again, a note for our listeners is
25:22
SPEAKER_02: We said that this is the first episode,
25:24
SPEAKER_02: but this is not the first time we're recording the episode.
25:27
SPEAKER_02: So we have had some conversations before this one.
25:33
SPEAKER_02: And so we had some opportunities to discuss what the flow is.
25:38
And I really liked the definition that came to me in these
25:45
discussions that I'm
25:46
SPEAKER_02: settling with for now.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: as being one with the experience.
25:59
Okay,
26:00
so it means that now you're flowing if you are one with this
26:03
experience.
26:05
SPEAKER_02: And how does it feel if you are one with this experience?
26:08
SPEAKER_02: Any markers?
26:09
SPEAKER_02: It depends on the experience, I guess.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: Like this experience, for example.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: Well, that...
26:19
SPEAKER_02: Right now, this flow feels... flowy?
26:26
SPEAKER_02: Expansive?
26:31
SPEAKER_02: Transic?
26:38
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
26:41
SPEAKER_02: I think these are the adjectives that I would use.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
26:50
SPEAKER_02: And what brought you?
26:55
Well,
26:55
as I already mentioned,
26:57
that my whole life has always revolved around creativity.
27:02
So first,
27:04
it was about looking for the experience of flow in my creative
27:09
process.
27:10
Although I didn't know the word flow and didn't know anything
27:14
about the concepts or
27:15
SPEAKER_02: the concepts of the flow state.
27:19
Then at a certain point,
27:25
my creative endeavors led me to become a creativity
27:31
facilitator.
27:33
And so my research for the creative flow turned into the
27:40
exploration of how to
27:41
SPEAKER_02: facilitate it for us.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: And...
27:48
actually there is also another i don't like the what topic like
27:56
another thing that
27:58
my life revolves around about creativity and consciousness i
28:03
said although it's
28:05
SPEAKER_02: like what um
28:14
So you like the other part of my exploration have been all
28:20
kinds of things,
28:21
SPEAKER_02: consciousness related.
28:24
SPEAKER_02: And it led me to the work with trans states,
28:30
which actually brought together all my previous explorations in
28:36
my personal
28:37
SPEAKER_02: creative process and in how to facilitate in the others.
28:41
how to facilitate this flow state in the creative process it
28:47
was all united by my
28:49
work with the trans states it's still one of the central themes
29:00
of my life and
29:04
SPEAKER_02: let's say trans states and flow states how are they related?
29:16
SPEAKER_02: I would say that low state for me is a type of a trance state.
29:31
Not the other way around,
29:32
not all trance state would be low state,
29:35
although
29:39
maybe this is something to think about but flow state for me is
29:45
definitely the
29:46
trans state yeah okay it's like the trans state of some people
29:53
somehow i have
29:55
SPEAKER_02: experience with some people who are a little bit scared of
30:00
SPEAKER_02: of the word trance, trance state.
30:02
SPEAKER_02: What we're referring to is just an altered state of consciousness,
30:05
SPEAKER_02: not your usual state,
30:07
SPEAKER_02: waking state.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
30:10
but here we also need to specify because people tend to
30:15
associate the altered state
30:16
SPEAKER_02: of consciousness with being under the influence of something and it's not
30:24
SPEAKER_02: necessarily the case,
30:25
SPEAKER_02: actually.
30:27
SPEAKER_02: We experience the trans state very often in ordinary life.
30:30
SPEAKER_02: Like when you're reading a book, we're very often in a trans state.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: So your definition of trans would be the trans state?
30:40
SPEAKER_00: Because I also don't always resonate with that word.
30:44
But I know what you mean because we've been in this container
30:47
together enough.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: So I've been getting more comfortable with that word.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: But how would you describe it?
30:55
yeah like if we need to be like not to define but maybe to
31:02
specify the outer state
31:03
of consciousness is the state of consciousness different from
31:08
our like normal the
31:12
executive mode when like we are solving problems makes sense
31:18
yeah i like that
31:22
SPEAKER_02: And it's normally just somewhat more open with that.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: In my experience,
31:29
SPEAKER_02: translate normally helps to hold in the same space different experiences,
31:39
SPEAKER_02: like all different elements of the experience together.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: Which is a big part of creativity, right?
31:46
SPEAKER_02: Creative.
31:47
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
31:48
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:52
polina uh so it's funny whenever either goes first and i go
31:59
second i i get to tune
32:01
into what she's you know what she's sharing and then it reminds
32:04
me of like elements
32:06
from my own origins that i don't maybe think about or even
32:10
remember on the daily so
32:12
SPEAKER_00: creativity was also a big part of
32:16
my original exploration with like how the world moves and how i
32:20
move within it um i
32:22
used to write poetry and i used to paint and draw and do all
32:27
kinds of really things
32:28
SPEAKER_00: like that and that was actually my first medium for practicing
32:37
Being in that altered state where you are using your mental
32:41
faculties in terms of
32:43
SPEAKER_00: language,
32:43
SPEAKER_00: right?
32:44
SPEAKER_00: And the words and rhyming for poetry, for example.
32:48
SPEAKER_00: But you're also accessing...
32:51
SPEAKER_00: I guess what I now understand,
32:53
SPEAKER_00: now that we're looking back at it from the perspective of flow,
32:56
SPEAKER_00: I now understand is flow,
32:58
SPEAKER_00: right?
32:59
Maybe back then I used to think I'm connecting to like an
33:03
altered or another
33:04
SPEAKER_00: version of me that was also there in some way,
33:10
SPEAKER_00: like maybe a deeper,
33:11
SPEAKER_00: but now again,
33:12
SPEAKER_00: it's just now I can't unsee it.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: It was like a flow of being with yourself in another capacity or way.
33:22
um and then the human psychology was also something that uh was
33:28
always fascinating
33:29
i mean so much so that you know i got an undergrad in
33:32
psychology and then a grad
33:34
SPEAKER_00: degree in industrial organizational psychology and um and then um
33:44
SPEAKER_00: The experience of flow was not there for me for many, many years.
33:47
I would say like an entire chunk of life until the last few
33:51
years was more mental
33:54
SPEAKER_00: grind,
33:54
SPEAKER_00: like control,
33:56
SPEAKER_00: you know,
33:57
SPEAKER_00: figured out money,
33:58
SPEAKER_00: status,
34:00
SPEAKER_00: whatever,
34:01
SPEAKER_00: all that stuff.
34:02
um and and now i'm that i'm looking back from today from who i
34:06
am today and what
34:07
we've been playing with in our field it's like oh my god i i
34:11
don't think i i know i
34:13
i of course would have had to have some moments of flow during
34:16
that time frame but
34:18
SPEAKER_00: honestly
34:19
no it was it was a push and a grind and a survival even in in
34:26
times of feast i was
34:28
still surviving in some ways um so and and that state does not
34:33
really coincide with
34:35
a state of flow because flow requires you from from how i see
34:38
it now this sense of
34:40
trust in yourself trust in energies trust in flow of life trust
34:45
that things you
34:46
SPEAKER_00: know are are are
34:49
flowing in a different kind of way right and and being able to
34:52
hold a different
34:53
perspective around it um so that is actually my definition of
35:00
flow at the moment it
35:02
is how do i occupy myself in terms of not just like physically
35:07
in terms of
35:08
SPEAKER_00: self-regulation but
35:10
self-regulation is part of it right um but am i like in my head
35:15
or in my am i in my
35:17
whole mind right as dan siegel um uh explains to us right like
35:22
i really love his
35:24
perspective on all of this that the mind is actually not just
35:26
in in your brain so
35:29
SPEAKER_00: When I'm able to embody myself in that way with that sense of trust,
35:35
then I'm able to interact with the energies within and without
35:40
in a way that is
35:41
like that experience of flow and also with other people that
35:44
come in and out or
35:45
SPEAKER_00: situations or circumstances.
35:47
And then also the less judge that's driving me or the judge
35:52
self and the more like I'm...
35:55
um looking for opportunities or like how is this you know
36:00
happening for me not not
36:02
to me or against me right then that facilitates even more flow
36:06
so um and of course
36:09
if i'm not rested enough or i'm not fed enough that also
36:13
interferes with that sense
36:14
of all the elements basically um as i see it now are part of
36:20
that the experience of
36:21
SPEAKER_00: flow
36:24
interestingly the the trust that emerged at the beginning is
36:28
still here as a
36:30
central piece yeah i know super cool yeah okay i was thinking
36:42
as i was um listening
36:44
SPEAKER_02: to you and polina what is my definition of flow
36:49
SPEAKER_02: I think my subjective definition of flow at the moment.
36:55
SPEAKER_02: Actually, it's defined by one marker.
36:59
SPEAKER_02: If it's there, I know I'm in flow.
37:00
SPEAKER_02: If it's not, I know I'm not.
37:03
SPEAKER_02: And that is feeling of gratitude.
37:10
And feeling of gratitude when it's there,
37:14
even when I need to do something challenging.
37:20
feeling of gratitude when I wake up in the morning and maybe
37:23
the weather is not
37:25
great but still I do have this feeling of gratitude for
37:29
something for life for
37:31
SPEAKER_02: water even for water yeah I think that's it and I guess how the flow is
37:45
SPEAKER_02: orchestrated
37:47
by being aware and in tune with many connections kind of like
37:55
navigating the
37:56
interconnectedness navigating somehow that it's aligned and it
38:01
results in the sense
38:03
of gratitude that's my definition and I got very interested in
38:14
the concept of flow
38:15
SPEAKER_02: and group flow because
38:17
SPEAKER_02: I was lacking flow for a very long time.
38:22
SPEAKER_02: And I was doing things,
38:32
going for that breathwork education or going for nutrition
38:36
consultant education,
38:37
SPEAKER_02: definitely looking for something but not actually even realizing,
38:41
SPEAKER_02: I think,
38:41
SPEAKER_02: that I was lacking flow.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: I was in the darkness.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: okay, I guess I'm alive and some days are fun.
38:55
SPEAKER_02: And it's when some really painful moments hit that I became aware that,
39:05
SPEAKER_02: you know,
39:05
whatever I had been doing did not work even though it was like
39:11
a hamster in the
39:11
SPEAKER_02: wheel doing different types of self-development.
39:15
SPEAKER_02: And then I started researching
39:17
flow and that alignment piece and yeah and then at one point i
39:26
think it was a year
39:28
and a half ago so i joined um improv an improv comedy course
39:33
here in berlin i don't
39:35
i have no clue even how i got there but it was a big big
39:39
challenge uh i sometimes i
39:42
SPEAKER_02: would uh
39:43
SPEAKER_02: just hate it and not be in flow at all when I would come to a class.
39:49
And then suddenly those moments of group flow when they started
39:52
to happen.
39:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh my God, my God, can I have more of that?
39:58
SPEAKER_02: And so different things happened,
40:01
SPEAKER_02: I guess,
40:02
SPEAKER_02: and where it's like,
40:04
SPEAKER_02: okay,
40:04
SPEAKER_02: how can we,
40:05
SPEAKER_02: how can we create more flow in my life?
40:07
SPEAKER_02: Who can help me?
40:10
SPEAKER_02: And here we are, yes, helping each other to create more flow.
40:17
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
40:17
I just want to add that the concrete search or even exploration
40:23
of flow was thanks to you.
40:25
SPEAKER_00: Because even though I love the way you described it,
40:28
SPEAKER_00: you were like searching for flow in the darkness for all those years.
40:31
SPEAKER_00: That was my experience, too.
40:32
SPEAKER_00: I just used different words for it.
40:34
SPEAKER_00: But I didn't even know that that's what I was looking for.
40:37
And then when you started to talk about it more and talk more
40:42
about your improv
40:44
SPEAKER_00: classes,
40:45
and then I had a bit of an experience with an improv aspect in
40:48
some of the things
40:49
SPEAKER_00: that I was doing,
40:50
SPEAKER_00: I was like,
40:51
SPEAKER_00: wait,
40:52
SPEAKER_00: wait,
40:52
SPEAKER_00: hold on.
40:53
SPEAKER_00: This is like...
40:54
an unlocking of like this persona and just allowing yourself to
41:01
be like whatever
41:03
you are without judgment and like like it's literally this this
41:08
this physical sense
41:09
SPEAKER_00: movement this is what i now understand we were like slowly doing you know
41:17
SPEAKER_00: and building and building and building.
41:20
And it is the allowing to like show up and just be something I
41:26
desperately needed,
41:28
but I didn't even know how to get there or like what's the
41:31
thing that gets you
41:32
SPEAKER_00: there.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: So I'm so glad that you brought it up as a concrete topic.
41:37
And then I started reading the books about it and be like,
41:39
oh,
41:40
oh,
41:41
oh,
41:41
this is the thing.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: And through our experimentation,
41:45
it was literally like step by step on unlocking into flow is
41:50
how I would phrase it.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: Basically, we just love to have more trance state in our lives.
41:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:59
SPEAKER_02: It feels good.
42:03
I also have to add something because I loved how Paulina
42:09
started doing this dancing
42:12
SPEAKER_02: movement,
42:12
SPEAKER_02: saying like,
42:13
SPEAKER_02: yeah,
42:13
SPEAKER_02: this is this.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: feeling that we're looking for.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: Because while I was listening to Yulia's story,
42:23
SPEAKER_02: I even noted down the navigating interconnectedness.
42:29
SPEAKER_02: I love this phrase.
42:31
And so it made me thinking that that definition that I gave as
42:35
being one with the experience
42:38
SPEAKER_02: And you asked me, how does it feel?
42:40
So it came to my mind that exactly it feels as I described when
42:45
I was talking about
42:46
SPEAKER_02: my experience of cooking.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: It's dancing with the experience.
42:52
SPEAKER_02: This is what came to me while I was listening to you.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: And I used to actually be a dancer.
42:59
SPEAKER_00: I used to do so much dance when I was younger,
43:03
SPEAKER_00: like ballet and Russian folk dancing,
43:05
SPEAKER_00: by the way,
43:06
SPEAKER_00: even in America,
43:07
SPEAKER_00: I was part of like this,
43:09
SPEAKER_00: this local dance school where we would,
43:14
SPEAKER_00: it was actually Russian speaking.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: It was owned by a Russian woman,
43:18
SPEAKER_00: you know,
43:19
SPEAKER_00: who was like this,
43:20
SPEAKER_00: I guess,
43:21
SPEAKER_00: Russian leader in the dance space in Brooklyn back then.
43:24
SPEAKER_00: And,
43:24
SPEAKER_00: you know,
43:25
we would do ballet and we would do Russian folk and Ukrainian
43:29
and Belarus,
43:31
SPEAKER_00: you know,
43:31
like all of all of the different because they all have
43:33
different outfits and stuff.
43:35
So but it's funny because back then I remember that sensation
43:40
of of the shift when
43:42
SPEAKER_00: I was on stage.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: And then you're just like in the expression of it.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: And it's like a totally altered state.
43:51
Not only are you embodying yourself in an alternate way,
43:55
you're also playing a character.
43:57
And it's like,
43:58
you're really playing this character,
44:00
you know,
44:01
and you're using your body.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: But it is really this motion, this movement.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: It's like such an expression.
44:06
And then right after the performance would be done,
44:10
I would go back to my...
44:13
you know until the next opportunity to express in a different
44:20
way and go beyond
44:20
like these um boxy chainy things right um for lots of reasons
44:28
but uh but i didn't
44:31
allow myself to like occupy this physical movement and dance
44:35
until very recently so
44:36
SPEAKER_00: it's so cool to have this like come around moment yeah
44:42
SPEAKER_00: Dancing is back, huh?
44:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: Dancing is back.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: And it's going to be better than ever.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to show you my robot.
44:50
SPEAKER_02: Well, we're going to, you know, take your word, okay?
45:00
SPEAKER_02: We'll have a jam session.
45:01
SPEAKER_02: I'll show you my robot.
45:02
SPEAKER_02: You show me yours.
45:08
SPEAKER_02: I can totally relate to what Polina describes.
45:11
SPEAKER_02: I also feel like one of my main like the brightest or deepest,
45:21
SPEAKER_02: I even don't know how to characterize it.
45:25
SPEAKER_02: Like one of the like the main
45:32
SPEAKER_02: kinds of the flow experiences that I had in my life on stage two.
45:41
SPEAKER_02: I loved dancing when I was a child,
45:43
but I also have done a lot of theater and like these really
45:48
just like this is the
45:52
first part of my exploration of my search for the flow even
45:56
when I didn't know the
45:58
what the flow state is for this experience of being a channel
46:04
while you're creating
46:05
yeah that literally gives me a physical energetic sensation in
46:12
my body yeah
46:14
the channel for the expression and the altered states of it all
46:18
and what does it
46:18
all mean because if this altered state exists then then what is
46:23
what is me you know
46:24
like in the mix of all that yeah it's it's it's it's really
46:28
cool and when i know
46:30
that i can be in that state why would i be in a misery huh
46:37
exactly well it's life
46:45
SPEAKER_00: Life and flow and flow and life.
46:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
46:49
SPEAKER_00: And out of flow.
46:51
SPEAKER_02: Life out of flow, right?
46:52
We will live for later because there will be an episode of
46:56
whether flow is always
46:57
SPEAKER_02: positive or not.
46:58
SPEAKER_02: Maybe for now, we'll just start concluding.
47:04
SPEAKER_02: And first, I wanted to ask you two small questions.
47:11
SPEAKER_02: What do you expect this project?
47:14
SPEAKER_02: How do you expect this project to evolve?
47:17
SPEAKER_02: Just talk to me about what this podcast is and what it could be.
47:27
SPEAKER_02: I know we don't really have a definite idea.
47:32
SPEAKER_02: I actually have two aspects of my answer.
47:42
SPEAKER_02: So one is not that what I expect from the project per se,
47:48
SPEAKER_02: but what I would like...
47:55
SPEAKER_02: I don't like what to achieve,
47:57
SPEAKER_02: but the sense I see in our exploration.
48:01
Because I strongly believe that we need to find different ways
48:09
of operating in the world.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: different from what we're used to in our civilization.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: And these different ways,
48:21
SPEAKER_02: I believe,
48:21
are consistent exactly in flowing with life and learning how to
48:29
be attuned to what
48:31
SPEAKER_02: is emerging at every moment inside of us and
48:37
outside of us and how it's all connected how can we navigate
48:42
our interconnectedness
48:43
with everything so this is the sense of what we're doing for me
48:53
like exploring
48:54
these ways these new ways of being in the world and operating
48:59
in the world with us
49:02
SPEAKER_02: and with each other and with our listeners
49:09
But also there is this aspect of expectations of how I would
49:15
like us to evolve.
49:18
SPEAKER_02: And again,
49:19
SPEAKER_02: for our listeners,
49:20
I will just be transparent that this is something that we have
49:26
been discussing
49:27
SPEAKER_02: before the backstage between three of us.
49:30
SPEAKER_02: But I really...
49:35
would like us at a certain point to arrive at this level of our
49:42
awareness,
49:43
SPEAKER_02: acute awareness and alignment with what is emerging and awareness of our
49:50
SPEAKER_02: interconnectedness.
49:51
SPEAKER_02: So it would help to induce this state of flow,
49:58
SPEAKER_02: this trans state of flow to those who would listen to us.
50:06
SPEAKER_02: so that this state would transpire through the recordings.
50:13
SPEAKER_02: But you would like to see more people in trans states?
50:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course.
50:18
SPEAKER_02: Tune in for trans states.
50:22
I strongly believe that we are changing the world with the
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shifts of our energy states.
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SPEAKER_02: With the shift of the states of our energy, that would be more accurate.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so whoever is listening, stay tuned.
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SPEAKER_00: Polina?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I definitely resonate with everything that Ida just mentioned.
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SPEAKER_00: For me also...
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the motivation is i just want to build on what we're doing and
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also in a way where
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not only are we testing experimenting stretching our kind of
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containers in terms of
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energy and flow and how we hold space but also be really cool
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if the audience would
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SPEAKER_00: you know kind of be on this journey with us and
51:18
SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: even report back to what is their experience of flow as we are,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: keep going on this project and maybe co-create flow,
51:30
SPEAKER_00: not just between the three of us,
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SPEAKER_00: but also with the,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: whoever wants to be,
51:34
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: participating in the container as a as a listener.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: And another thing,
51:41
SPEAKER_00: actually,
51:42
SPEAKER_00: because we already recorded this episode,
51:45
SPEAKER_00: although this is a very different episode to the first one,
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SPEAKER_00: to me,
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SPEAKER_00: it's a little bit of proof of concept.
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SPEAKER_00: It's OK to rehearse or study or learn
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So that some of those neural pathways are already,
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you know,
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like they've made the connections.
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SPEAKER_00: And then,
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SPEAKER_00: then you show up like we do today and it's so much easier,
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SPEAKER_00: so much more flow,
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SPEAKER_00: so much freer.
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SPEAKER_00: So in the rehearsing,
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SPEAKER_00: that's also part of the co-creating flow and create,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: creating it in yourself,
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SPEAKER_00: creating it,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: with each other and hopefully in the larger sphere.
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So I actually love that that's also kind of a part of the
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experiment that we're
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SPEAKER_00: doing,
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SPEAKER_00: you know?
52:31
SPEAKER_00: And one of the other cool things,
52:34
SPEAKER_00: and it speaks to the stories that we shared today,
52:37
SPEAKER_00: is we are coming a little bit from a much,
52:41
SPEAKER_00: not a little bit,
52:42
SPEAKER_00: a lot from a very specific culture,
52:44
SPEAKER_00: right?
52:45
SPEAKER_00: That operate in a very specific way.
52:47
SPEAKER_00: And we even, you know, worked in finance and corporate.
52:51
SPEAKER_00: That's a very, you know, very...
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structured rigid type of way of being and now we're
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experimenting with this project
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and not only are we doing it from uh the perspective of flow
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but even the way we're
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approaching it is almost forcing us to do it from the
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perspective of flow you can't
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really prep for these episodes i i texted you guys this morning
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i think i was like
53:13
SPEAKER_00: there's no way to prepare for this you know like and
53:18
SPEAKER_00: you know, that one of those faces.
53:20
And then,
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and then,
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and then I was like,
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there's no way to prepare for this.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
53:25
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
53:26
SPEAKER_00: That is what we're trying to do.
53:28
SPEAKER_00: It's not trying, but this is what we're doing.
53:30
SPEAKER_00: Like, how do we embody ourselves?
53:33
SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: not just with our experiment with flow energetically in between us,
53:38
SPEAKER_00: the interconnectedness,
53:39
SPEAKER_00: but even with this project,
53:40
SPEAKER_00: I feel like that's what we're doing as well.
53:42
SPEAKER_00: And if that could be an example to our older, you know, um,
53:47
older younger versions i guess not older younger versions but
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also maybe to
53:51
SPEAKER_00: whoever's listening um and we can light a spark for this movement and
53:57
transformation uh that would be freaking awesome and amazing no
54:04
yeah um um what
54:11
SPEAKER_02: what do i want to say i guess
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SPEAKER_02: One of the things is I have fun with it.
54:21
SPEAKER_02: That is a really big motivator for me.
54:23
And so I think that life actually is supposed to include those
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really bright moments.
54:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:44
SPEAKER_02: like flow and altered states.
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I think humans historically would have those altered states
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with flow dancing by
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SPEAKER_02: the fire or drumming together on a regular basis.
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SPEAKER_02: And the even more important
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Maybe not more important because I'm sure they were probably
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they considered them
55:15
SPEAKER_02: to be very important.
55:18
SPEAKER_02: They have to be there for us to, as you said, to navigate this.
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Now that our environment and our lives are so weird from what
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it used to be and
55:36
SPEAKER_02: from our bodies and nervous system is familiar with.
55:40
SPEAKER_02: So that is,
55:42
SPEAKER_02: I guess,
55:42
SPEAKER_02: uh,
55:43
SPEAKER_02: yeah,
55:44
a long way of saying that this is being in flow together or
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having more group flow
55:54
SPEAKER_02: with other people has been very transformative for me.
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SPEAKER_02: Also here with you and somehow
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SPEAKER_02: keeping that for me, but also sharing it with others.
56:14
SPEAKER_02: That is, that would be really cool.
56:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: That's, that's just my thing.
56:29
SPEAKER_00: And fun.
56:30
SPEAKER_00: That's a big one.
56:31
SPEAKER_00: Because you're right.
56:32
SPEAKER_00: It is fun.
56:32
SPEAKER_00: This is fun.
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I think this was like the first time I legitimately started
56:37
having fun with this
56:38
SPEAKER_00: whole thing is when we started intentionally doing all these experiments.
56:42
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, what is the sensation?
56:45
SPEAKER_00: Oh, wait.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: Is that fun?
56:47
SPEAKER_00: I forgot what it was.
56:49
Yeah,
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we're not going to be prepping and no one is going to give us a
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good grade.
56:58
SPEAKER_00: We're just going to show up and be and trust and flow?
57:01
SPEAKER_00: What?
57:02
SPEAKER_00: That's a project?
57:03
SPEAKER_00: What?
57:05
SPEAKER_00: We could live this way,
57:06
SPEAKER_00: not just for fun,
57:07
SPEAKER_00: but also for,
57:08
SPEAKER_00: you know,
57:09
SPEAKER_00: like in other containers and projects?
57:11
SPEAKER_00: What?
57:12
SPEAKER_02: Or you can say it.
57:17
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
57:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
57:21
SPEAKER_02: And this is not to say that we're not doing anything or we don't have
57:27
SPEAKER_02: Maybe sometimes too much.
57:30
SPEAKER_02: And some of us are very much on the perfectionist side.
57:35
SPEAKER_03: Which was a very beautiful project for ourselves.
57:40
SPEAKER_02: Yes, that was...
57:43
SPEAKER_02: I was also referencing myself.
57:46
SPEAKER_00: I know.
57:46
Of course,
57:47
in moderating anything,
57:49
you definitely there is an element of prep.
57:51
I'm saying if you're not moderating that week,
57:54
it's like,
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how do you prep?
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SPEAKER_00: You don't know.
57:56
SPEAKER_00: Right.
57:57
SPEAKER_00: But for sure.
57:58
SPEAKER_00: And also, there's always prep.
57:59
SPEAKER_00: Just like I said, there's always prep and whatever it is that you do.
58:03
SPEAKER_00: It's just the amount of letting go.
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actually sometimes correlates to how much you've prepped like
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if you really know
58:10
what you're talking about or you really have experience then
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you can uh let go of
58:15
having to control it with your mind and just show up in the
58:18
conversation and
58:18
whatever needs to um have it itself heard will right uh so
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that's when kind of prep
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meets flow right or how how else would you phrase it no totally
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i mean like you
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SPEAKER_02: cannot really flow when if you haven't
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practiced before or you haven't been prepping before like on
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stage for example
58:39
improv comedy just simply does not work if you haven't been
58:44
practicing for a long
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SPEAKER_02: time yeah
58:47
they say the best improvisation is the prepared one and if we
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want to talk about
58:53
the triggers the signs of the signs of flow you need to know
59:01
you need to have
59:02
enough knowledge of what you're doing so it would be
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challenging enough to make it
59:08
interesting but you would feel free in this improvisation and
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playing around and
59:17
SPEAKER_02: into interpreting the results the feedback that you are getting from the
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environment and from the process to feel whether you are moving
59:29
in the right
59:30
direction so of course the preparedness is an important factor
59:37
yeah so we're moving
59:38
we've been moving today but in this in this container maybe not
59:45
in this maybe in
59:46
SPEAKER_02: this
59:48
SPEAKER_02: I was feeling good today.
59:52
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
59:55
SPEAKER_00: Okay, in some kind of container.
59:58
Wait,
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can we,
59:59
can we,
1:00:00
so Yira and I have seemed to have more of an expansive
1:00:05
experience today.
1:00:06
Did you have less of an expansive experience because of the
1:00:09
moderation piece?
1:00:10
SPEAKER_02: No, I was just being ironic.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_02: I was just trying to find this contrast between flow and
1:00:18
SPEAKER_02: Structure and prepping and practicing.
1:00:21
Yeah,
1:00:22
but we did have a structure for this episode,
1:00:26
at least in the unit's mind.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_02: And in our common mind,
1:00:31
SPEAKER_02: we also have agreed on a certain structure of how we record each episode.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_02: So there is a structure here.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_02: It's just we're not rigid about it.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_02: And that's the whole point.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:00:55
So just to finish off,
1:00:57
maybe there is something that you want to say at the end.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's something from today.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_02: A surprise or something you're taking with you.
1:01:07
whatever it comes to mind yeah um so this is actually something
1:01:12
we the three of us
1:01:13
have spoken about and i want to share it with whoever might be
1:01:16
listening um that
1:01:19
the the the experiment that we we are here to do together is
1:01:23
not necessarily about
1:01:24
again the brain right like the the words the concepts about
1:01:28
flow that this that
1:01:29
SPEAKER_00: that right we're actually trying to also capture the sense of
1:01:37
SPEAKER_00: the container we're creating.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_00: And we're very curious about this,
1:01:41
like the sensory experience that maybe the listeners have by
1:01:47
listening in or even
1:01:48
SPEAKER_00: participating in whatever exercises we might do.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_00: That's a problem to us.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_00: to when we re-listen to our episodes as we,
1:01:57
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:01:58
SPEAKER_00: experiment with format and all that,
1:02:00
one of the problems is don't just listen with your brain and
1:02:03
judge and analyze,
1:02:04
SPEAKER_00: actually listen with your body sensory experience.
1:02:08
Like what does this feel like to be part of this group or to
1:02:11
have that experience,
1:02:12
right?
1:02:12
SPEAKER_00: So I just wanted to throw that out.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_02: Does anyone have something to add to that?
1:02:20
SPEAKER_02: No, to that note,
1:02:22
SPEAKER_02: But I think you've done a great job of voicing it out.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_02: Irem, anything on your... I just want to say that I have been in trance.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_02: And it has been nice trancing with you.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_00: I also have really had trans moments,
1:02:51
SPEAKER_00: uh,
1:02:51
SPEAKER_00: throughout the,
1:02:52
SPEAKER_00: now that we're,
1:02:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm getting more comfortable using that word,
1:02:55
but I've definitely had altered states throughout what we've
1:02:58
done together.
1:02:59
As we were sharing the stories that would also create different
1:03:02
altered states and,
1:03:04
SPEAKER_00: and then,
1:03:04
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:03:04
SPEAKER_00: zooming into my experience,
1:03:06
SPEAKER_00: zooming into your experience,
1:03:07
SPEAKER_00: all of it.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_00: It's like, it's like a flow of altered states.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_02: That's been fun.
1:03:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was, um,
1:03:16
SPEAKER_02: fun for me as well.
1:03:18
SPEAKER_02: I actually learned new things about both of you today.
1:03:21
SPEAKER_02: That is cool.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_02: I also didn't really know,
1:03:26
SPEAKER_02: I was quite honest,
1:03:27
SPEAKER_02: I didn't really know what I was going to talk about in response to my own
1:03:31
SPEAKER_02: questions.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_02: So whatever came out, came out.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I enjoyed it.
1:03:37
SPEAKER_02: So thanks a lot.
1:03:39
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1:03:42
listening we appreciate you and your time and if there is any
1:03:51
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1:03:53
you have to share anything at all please do reach out and we'll
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