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Exploring Integrative Medicine and Holistic Health with Dr. Sandeep Gupta - Part Two · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

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Speaker 1: Supplements and longevity hacks. Yeah right, Yeah, so all over
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Speaker 1: social media there is all sorts of hacks about health
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Speaker 1: span longevity. So this supplement, that supplement, what in your
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Speaker 1: view are the things that are promising and what are
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Speaker 1: some of the things that you see out there that
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Speaker 1: are a little bit of hype or or certainly the
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Speaker 1: very very minor benefit compared to things like exercise and
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Speaker 1: sleep and grinding and those sorts of things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess the first thing to let's just
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Speaker 2: say is that supplements are supplementary. So you don't ever
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Speaker 2: want your strategy to primarily be based on supplements. You can't.
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Speaker 2: You can't kind of supplement yourself out of a unhealthy life.
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Speaker 2: That's the first thing to say. To make that point
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Speaker 2: first before I jump into specific ones that your base
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Speaker 2: has to be. You know, your lifestyle. You know you
1:11
Speaker 2: need to be getting really good restorative sleep, you need
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Speaker 2: to be doing something for stress management, you need to
1:17
Speaker 2: be moving your body. There's no replacement for those things. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Of course, if you let's say you have one week
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Speaker 2: where you're not able to do those things, well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: sure you can get straight back into it. I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying that you can't miss a single day. Of course,
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Speaker 2: life has all its twists and turns, but there's no overall,
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Speaker 2: there's no replacement for those things. Now, if you are
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Speaker 2: doing those things, or you're doing your best on those levels,
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Speaker 2: can you further enhance the benefit through supplements? I think
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Speaker 2: the answer is yes, and even certain certain targeted medications.
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Speaker 2: So you know, I mean one of the biggest studied
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Speaker 2: ones is rappermisin and so this is all it takes
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Speaker 2: us towards this more complicated discussion on fasting and feasting,
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Speaker 2: and you know, that's that's one of the things that's
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Speaker 2: really really important, you know, And in ancestral societies there
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Speaker 2: would be a good balance between times of plenty and
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Speaker 2: times of famine, and so there would be times where
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Speaker 2: you would have a big feed, then there'd be other
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Speaker 2: times where you would be fasting, and so our bodies
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Speaker 2: were being exposed to adversity. That's a very that's a
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Speaker 2: very important principle in general. And so raprimison basically helps
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Speaker 2: to curb this whole situation of us always being in
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Speaker 2: a time of feasting and only rarely being in a
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Speaker 2: time of fasting or famine. So if that's the case
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Speaker 2: with you and you're adding rap and yeah, it's likely
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Speaker 2: going to help. But I would say that and even
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Speaker 2: better approach is to bring an intermittent fasting.
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Speaker 3: So your you.
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Speaker 1: Would be a fan of intermittent fasting.
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Speaker 2: I think it's it's the simple way to shift the
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Speaker 2: balance between you know, again from we also refer to
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Speaker 2: it as M tour and amp kinase. So in general,
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Speaker 2: most people have an excess of that M tour pathway,
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Speaker 2: which is a growth pathway, and not enough of the
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Speaker 2: a mp kinse. Now, especially now we've talked about having
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Speaker 2: you know, having a decent amount of protein in the diet.
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Speaker 2: Now that means you will be pushing emptor Now I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to say M tour is bad. It's all
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Speaker 2: about balance and getting the.
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Speaker 1: Cycling, not being always on exactly, not being always on. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I'm glad you brought up protein, right, because there
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Speaker 1: is this tension right between constantly being in growth mode
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Speaker 1: because cancer sales love that, right, and then and cycling
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Speaker 1: out and you know the benefits of the fasting. And
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Speaker 1: what's really interesting because when you because a lot of
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Speaker 1: the stuff, there's some of the longevity crowds are in
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Speaker 1: the camp of you should have a low protein that
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Speaker 1: because you don't want to be chronically activating M tour. Right.
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Speaker 1: There are some people who are in that camp. I
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Speaker 1: myself am not in that camp, and I never say never,
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Speaker 1: I never say absolutely, right, but currently I'm not in
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Speaker 1: that camp where I sit. Obviously, we've talked about all
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Speaker 1: the benefits of protein and of muscle I have landed
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Speaker 1: on and I'll tell you how I got there. So
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Speaker 1: I used to do a lot of intermittent fasting and
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Speaker 1: then find that I had lost with it, but a
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Speaker 1: lot of it was muscle, and so I stopped doing
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Speaker 1: it because I thought, I'm not getting into my fifties
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Speaker 1: and I want to preserve muscle. And then I got
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Speaker 1: diagnosed with my aortic valve and it was probably that
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Speaker 1: that was impacting on you know, because you lose weight
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Speaker 1: with that and you can lose some muscle with that. Right.
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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of back on the intermittent fast entrain.
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Speaker 1: But for me, that the tension here is between getting
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Speaker 1: enough protein and not over stimulating M tour exactly. And
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Speaker 1: for me, a lot of people are doing they're stimulating
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Speaker 1: M tour because it's not just because they're they're not
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Speaker 1: having periods of fasting. But when they're eating, they're they're eating.
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Speaker 1: Say they have a breakfast that's a traditional breakfast that's
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Speaker 1: high carbohydrate and low protein. They're going to be hungry
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Speaker 1: in a couple of hours, so they're going to have
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Speaker 1: a small snack, And a lot of people don't realize
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Speaker 1: that carbohydrate switches on the M tour pathway as well.
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Speaker 1: It's not just protein that switches on the M tour pathway.
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Speaker 1: So for me, it's like, we need to go back
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Speaker 1: to eating three meals a day without snacks, or two
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Speaker 1: meals a day if that suits you, because then you're
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Speaker 1: going to get those bricks. And because if you're just
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Speaker 1: constantly snacking here and there and everywhere, that's when you're
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Speaker 1: chronically switching on am tour.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, yes, one hundred. I think that's also a
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Speaker 2: major problem, and just looking at your daily routine. So firstly,
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Speaker 2: I would say intermittent fasting or at least getting to
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Speaker 2: basic levels is not hard. It just takes a bit
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Speaker 2: of attention. So if I go back and think of
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Speaker 2: myself during medical school, I was doing crazy stuff like eating,
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Speaker 2: you know, all through the night, and and you know
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Speaker 2: I was just paying no attention to this concept. But
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Speaker 2: you can start by let's say you eat dinner at
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Speaker 2: six pm. You can start this process, but just making
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Speaker 2: sure you don't eat anymore after you finish your dinner.
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Speaker 2: And then let's say you have breakfast at seven am.
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Speaker 2: You again, you don't eat anything unless you're unless you're
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Speaker 2: a diabetic and you're having a hypoglyceming attack, that would
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Speaker 2: be an exception. But other than that, you don't. You
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Speaker 2: don't eat anything until you have breakfast. So there you go.
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Speaker 2: You're already getting your twelve hours of fasting just through
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Speaker 2: that very basic process of taking out random eating, you know,
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Speaker 2: random snacking. Yeah, yeah, taking that snack out of bedtime. Now,
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Speaker 2: it's fine to have a tea. It's fine to have water,
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Speaker 2: a tea with no milk, that is. So let's say
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Speaker 2: a Herrible tea, cameram ole tea or something like that
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Speaker 2: before bed. I think that's a great idea, no problem
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Speaker 2: with that whatsoever. But having an ice cream or something
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Speaker 2: like that before bed terrible idea because you're not going
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Speaker 2: to digest that ice cream and it's going to block
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Speaker 2: your ability of your body to go into that fasting mode.
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Speaker 2: So then let's say three times a week. You then
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Speaker 2: decide that you're going to finish eating around about four
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Speaker 2: pm rather than seven pm, Well, then you've already pushed
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Speaker 2: that out to fifteen hours on those things. And my
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Speaker 2: understanding is that is the better way to go than
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Speaker 2: trying to extend to your breakfast later on, So that
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Speaker 2: sends to be more physiological, is trying to increase the
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Speaker 2: gap in the evening rather than the morning. So I
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Speaker 2: would say, if you could do that and just and
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Speaker 2: I quite often do it myself. I'll have a smoothie
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Speaker 2: around half past three something like that, and then that's it.
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Speaker 2: I'm done for the evening. I don't have any dinner.
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Speaker 2: The other advantages you find you've got to hit more
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Speaker 2: time available.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And you know there will be some
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Speaker 1: people who go, Jesus, half past three and I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to eat again till the morning. How am I
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Speaker 1: going to survey? I would say to these people, because
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Speaker 1: I thought that when I first did that have intimate
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Speaker 1: and fasting. Just run an experiment, right, Just run an experiment,
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Speaker 1: and what you'll find is you won't eat, and you'll
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Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and you won't be dead,
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Speaker 1: and you go Holy shit, look at that. It didn't
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Speaker 1: kill me, and then you can repeat the experiment exactly.
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Speaker 2: And I found personally that it's very easy and actually
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Speaker 2: like my body will yearn for that if I haven't
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Speaker 2: been doing it, it'll crave for a bit of fasting
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Speaker 2: after a while. And you know, some nights I'm like,
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Speaker 2: you know, wanting to get an evening meal, and part
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Speaker 2: of me is like, no, don't do that. So I
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Speaker 2: think it is something that the body naturally craves.
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Speaker 1: I think that one of the most important things that
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Speaker 1: most people could make is to, as you said, stop
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Speaker 1: eating at least three or more ours before you go
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Speaker 1: to bed. I think, Sandy, Well, a lot of people
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Speaker 1: don't realize is that that digestion and absorption is an
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Speaker 1: expensive metabolic process, and that when you eat just before
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Speaker 1: you go to bed, all of that stuff is switched
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Speaker 1: on and a lot of repair mechanisms in the body
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Speaker 1: are switched off because you're in active mode. So just
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Speaker 1: having that gap before you go to bed, it's it's
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Speaker 1: one tweak that if people don't do that, if they're
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Speaker 1: ale at night snacker like that one tweak I think
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Speaker 1: has a significant impact on people.
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Speaker 2: And so for me, personally, being like a midnight snacker
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Speaker 2: didn't really benefit me in any way. It just was
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Speaker 2: just simply lack of awareness. I paid knowledge.
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Speaker 1: Just appetite. It's appetite, isn't it. That's right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're up studying, you kind of thinking that, well,
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Speaker 2: maybe I should just eat something to keep my brain going.
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Speaker 2: But I probably didn't need to when I look back.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's just a belief system, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, And its habits. It's habits really. And let's
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Speaker 1: talk about then some more advanced interventions around health span.
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Speaker 1: So injectable nutrients and hormone therapy. You know, where do
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Speaker 1: you start on? And we're assuming here that somebody's doing
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Speaker 1: the fundamentals, right, So maybe we pick a female coming
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Speaker 1: into menopause and a meal about vyads in their fifties,
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Speaker 1: and what's your view. Let's talk about hormone replacement therapy. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: first of all, what's your what's your view on that
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Speaker 1: for the middle aged man and the middle aged woman.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you need you know, hormones are a very
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Speaker 2: very key part of longevity. There's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 2: And we're not saying that you know, you need to
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Speaker 2: keep your levels of hormones at the level of a
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Speaker 2: twenty year old for your entire life. It's okay for
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Speaker 2: them to ease off a little bit, but you don't
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Speaker 2: don't want them to. Like, let's say you're a male
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Speaker 2: in their fifties, you don't want that testosterone in DHA
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Speaker 2: to be in your bootstraps at all. You need to
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Speaker 2: keep them because again, we're talking about muscle mass, we're
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Speaker 2: talking about blood sugar control, and we're talking about cardiovascular health,
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Speaker 2: so testosterone is important for all of those, as well
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Speaker 2: as mood. So a lot of people think of it
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Speaker 2: as more being related to vanity that you're wanting to
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Speaker 2: maintain your testosterone levels, but no, it's actually important for
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Speaker 2: a huge amount of functions and therefore, and so for me,
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Speaker 2: quite often, what I would suggest is to build up
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Speaker 2: the DHA. So many people may not have heard of
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Speaker 2: the hormone called DHA, So it stands for dihydro epi
12:47
Speaker 2: and asterone, so I'm sure you're all going to remember that,
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Speaker 2: but it's like a precursor hormone of testosterone. Now, if
12:56
Speaker 2: you at least have good levels of DHA, it's much
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Speaker 2: more likely you're going to have good levels of testosterone.
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Speaker 2: So then the other thing that's important to know is
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Speaker 2: you want to test your free testosterone. You don't want
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Speaker 2: to test total testosterone because it's very much affected by
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Speaker 2: approachin which we call SHBG. So the free hormone levels
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Speaker 2: are much more important now in Australian units. Once again,
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Speaker 2: you generally want them to be something like three point
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Speaker 2: fifty to six fifty I think that's an animal's polyda,
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Speaker 2: so it's it's the top half of the reference range roughly.
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Speaker 2: So if you're in the bottom of that reference range,
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Speaker 2: well it's not showing as abnormal frankly abnormal on that
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Speaker 2: blood test. But you're you know, you're right here.
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Speaker 1: You're not optimal. You're not optimal.
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Speaker 2: Optimal, Noah, that's right. You want to get towards that
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Speaker 2: top end of the range because that's going to be
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Speaker 2: where you're getting all of those blood sugar and mood
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Speaker 2: and cardiovascular benefits and you've got the benefits on your muscle.
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Speaker 2: So in many if it's early stage, you can just
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Speaker 2: use herbal medicine and DHA. The other big thing is
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Speaker 2: if you want to test your estrogen as well, because
14:08
Speaker 2: if your estrogen levels are going up now that can
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Speaker 2: be related to environmental toxicants, plastics and other things are
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Speaker 2: pushing that up. You need something to block the testosterone
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Speaker 2: getting converted into estrogens, like dim or indole three carbonyl.
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Speaker 2: These are all compounds that come from cruciferous vegetables. So
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Speaker 2: those compounds will help us to maintain the testosterone. So
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Speaker 2: in many cases, those kind of three categories of supplements
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Speaker 2: slash hormones will be enough. Now, in some cases when
14:46
Speaker 2: people just you know, basically the system is failing, they
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Speaker 2: may just have very low testosterone levels, and in that
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Speaker 2: case you may need to then supplement testosterone.
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Speaker 1: I like the way you go to the DHA first,
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Speaker 1: because once somebody goes on to t RT, you've got
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Speaker 1: to be on it. Yeah right, yeah, don't you, because
15:08
Speaker 1: that's it. You're on that tree, and you're on that
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Speaker 1: tree for life and and and you know, for me,
15:13
Speaker 1: it's like I'm going to wait until I can't get
15:17
Speaker 1: it through all my strength training that and then first
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Speaker 1: of all DT and everything that you said, and then
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Speaker 1: t RT at some stage if it drops over, because
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Speaker 1: some people will will get to their eties with reasonable amounts,
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Speaker 1: won't they.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And you know there's other little tricks you can do.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes the h CG program I also help a lot,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean strength exercise for me doubled my
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Speaker 2: test after and levels.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Well a brilliant way to increase stress
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Speaker 1: officer and growth. Hormone is the lift heavy ship, really,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. So let's let's go and talk about the female. Now,
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Speaker 1: who's who's going through menopause? What what's your view on
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Speaker 1: on HRT because it's still is a little bit controversial.
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Speaker 1: You'll still have some people say, oh that courses breast
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Speaker 1: counts a risk, But tell us what there is the
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Speaker 1: research actually say, and what do you talk about in
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Speaker 1: your practice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Women's Health Initiative was a very very
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Speaker 2: large study and it looked at synthetic hormone replacement, particularly
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Speaker 2: what's called premarin, which is pregnant mays urine and Provea,
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Speaker 2: which is a synthetic progesterone. Now, one of the problems
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Speaker 2: with that is synthetic hormones are never going to have
16:36
Speaker 2: exactly the same effect on the human body as bioidentical
16:41
Speaker 2: ones are. So bioidentical means they're the exact same compounds,
16:45
Speaker 2: not just a similar compound. So in the case of
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Speaker 2: PROVEA or other synthetic progesterones or progestogens they're often referred to,
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Speaker 2: they will have the same effect as progesterone in the womb,
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Speaker 2: but in the rest of the body they can actually
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Speaker 2: have the opposite effect, the effect more as estrogen, and
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Speaker 2: therefore these ladies are actually getting a double dose of
17:13
Speaker 2: estrogen in their breasts and so on. So when you
17:17
Speaker 2: think about it, it's actually no wonder. There was a
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Speaker 2: slightly greater risk of breast cancer in some cohorts of
17:23
Speaker 2: that study, and that was one of the biggest findings
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Speaker 2: that raised concern. Now, when we go bio identical, we're
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Speaker 2: not using a synthetic progesterone. We're using actual progesterone, so
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Speaker 2: that should act. It will act in the same way
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Speaker 2: as our own progesterone when it comes to the tissue
17:46
Speaker 2: in the womb or outside the womb. It used to
17:49
Speaker 2: be taught at one point that you only need progesterone
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Speaker 2: if you have a womb.
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Speaker 1: All right, wow, really yeah, yeah, for a long time.
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Speaker 2: I think it still is in many circles and obstetrics
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Speaker 2: and gynecology. So if you're doing hormone replacement. You give
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Speaker 2: estrogen and then you give progesterone if the woman has
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Speaker 2: a WORMB So what about the rest of the body.
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Speaker 2: What on earth? Progesterone is hugely diuretic, it's anti anxiety,
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Speaker 2: it promotes bone health. It has such a diverse range
18:26
Speaker 2: of actions that it's absurd to think of it as
18:31
Speaker 2: only being important for the worm.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's only important for the moon. That would only
18:35
Speaker 1: be receptors for it in exactly.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, So, yeah, it's it is. Unfortunately, it's one of
18:43
Speaker 2: those doctrines that is just stuck and nobody's questioned it
18:46
Speaker 2: or not enough people, not enough doctors have questioned it,
18:50
Speaker 2: and so basically bioidentical hormone. The first thing about that
18:55
Speaker 2: therapy is we're trying to find the correct balance. We're
19:00
Speaker 2: trying to give, you know, big doses of hormones and
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Speaker 2: only give progesterone when you have a womb. We're talking
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Speaker 2: about getting the correct ratios of estrogen to progesterone and
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Speaker 2: estrogen to testosterone, et cetera, et cetera. Now that's the
19:19
Speaker 2: key in my view, is that you're looking for the
19:22
Speaker 2: correct ratios of these hormones and not necessarily the levels,
19:27
Speaker 2: but of course the absolute levels will matter to some degree.
19:31
Speaker 2: And so you know, it's quite common that you'll use
19:34
Speaker 2: creams for progesterone, estrogen, and then DHA and testosterone. They
19:40
Speaker 2: are also important for women, not just for men, and progesterone,
19:46
Speaker 2: for that matter, is also important for men. And so
19:50
Speaker 2: quite commonly what you'll find is that women have something
19:53
Speaker 2: called estrogen dominance, where there's too much estrogen relative to progesterone.
20:00
Speaker 2: But once they've gone through menopause, they still may need
20:03
Speaker 2: a small amount of estrogen as well and DHA and
20:07
Speaker 2: other things, but the emphasis is on progesterone. And as
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Speaker 2: a result of that, the studies have been quite reassuring
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Speaker 2: so far.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, problems, and it's highly likely that that is going
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Speaker 4: to lead to much much better longevity than having imbalanced
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Speaker 4: and low levels of those sexual.
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Speaker 1: Modes, and not only longevity, but quality of life. And
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Speaker 1: you know, I know a number of women who've gone
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Speaker 1: on to bioidentical HRT and it has transformed.
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Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes when women go through menopause, they feel
20:48
Speaker 2: like they just don't know themselves anymore. They don't react
20:52
Speaker 2: the way they used to. They're developing much greater anxiety,
20:56
Speaker 2: and it's just like they they've lost the person that
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Speaker 2: they were.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just goes to show the role of
21:05
Speaker 1: hormones in mental health as well, So not just for
21:08
Speaker 1: for females, but for meals. I mean we mentioned it
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Speaker 1: earlier on and most blokes have never heard of andropause.
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Speaker 1: And you know, those those changing hormones when your hit,
21:19
Speaker 1: whether it's your forties year, fifties, whether it is, but
21:21
Speaker 1: it can massively affect your your physical fatality and your
21:25
Speaker 1: mental health as well, right.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I've actually seen seen men crying and
21:32
Speaker 2: then saying, look, there's nothing upsetting me. I simply you know,
21:37
Speaker 2: it's simply my hormones have gone. I've lost the testosterone.
21:41
Speaker 2: You bring that testosterone back in, or you do it
21:43
Speaker 2: through those other methods that we mentioned d h A
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Speaker 2: and herbal medicine, et cetera. And then all of a sudden,
21:51
Speaker 2: you know they're back to an even keel. So there
21:54
Speaker 2: they're definitely, I mean, there definitely is a big role
21:57
Speaker 2: there for restoration of hormone balance. We're not talking for me,
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Speaker 2: it's not talking about crazy levels of hormone.
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Speaker 1: Super physiological Yeah, we don't need that No, that's right.
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Speaker 2: We're not trying to do everything through hormones. We're just
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Speaker 2: trying to get balance.
22:14
Speaker 1: And I think that for me, the the emphasis of hormones,
22:17
Speaker 1: particularly on mental health is I know a number of
22:20
Speaker 1: bodybuilders who have told me that you know, that they
22:23
Speaker 1: were on anapolic steroids and then they came off those
22:27
Speaker 1: anabolic steroids after years on them, and said that for
22:31
Speaker 1: a year, maybe two years, they were an absolute wreck,
22:37
Speaker 1: complete reck mentally emotionally just because of those changing hormones,
22:44
Speaker 1: and it took them a long time before they restabilized.
22:48
Speaker 1: So I think that's a lesson for everybody. Now we've
22:53
Speaker 1: talked about we've talked about the big ones, right, so
22:55
Speaker 1: we've talked about all the chronic diseases, things about that.
22:58
Speaker 1: We've talked about diet, we've talked about that exercise, we
23:00
Speaker 1: talked about sleep, we talked about stress management. We've talked
23:05
Speaker 1: about hormone replacement. You did mention rapamyocin. Maybe let's talk
23:11
Speaker 1: about another couple of classes of maybe pharmaceutical drugs. I
23:16
Speaker 1: just wanted to get your opinion, particularly when we're thinking
23:19
Speaker 1: of you know, the big things the diabetes are metabolic
23:25
Speaker 1: conditions and then cardiovascular what's your view on SGL two
23:29
Speaker 1: inhibitors and PCSK nine inhibitors in terms of maybe a
23:35
Speaker 1: lever to pull around helps.
23:37
Speaker 2: So, yeah, so the PSK inhibitors we're talking about.
23:40
Speaker 1: And maybe explain this far can you explain it for
23:43
Speaker 1: the late people?
23:45
Speaker 2: Well, the PSK inhibitors relate to cholesterol, right, so you're
23:50
Speaker 2: you're looking at not only lowering your cholesterol but also
23:56
Speaker 2: a compound called lipoprotein AM so, so this takes us
24:02
Speaker 2: to cardiovascular health. And so one of the most important
24:06
Speaker 2: things with cardiovascular health is, as we've discussed before, is
24:10
Speaker 2: getting your metabolic health right. And you know you need
24:14
Speaker 2: to you need to be relatively free of insulance resistance.
24:18
Speaker 2: And you know, one of the simplest ways of measuring
24:21
Speaker 2: that is looking at your waist circumference. Generally want that
24:25
Speaker 2: to be less than around eighty five centimeters and and
24:31
Speaker 2: so that's very very important. Now on top of that,
24:33
Speaker 2: you want to look at homossysting, you want to look
24:37
Speaker 2: at vitamin D, and you want to look at lip
24:41
Speaker 2: approtein A and then general cholesterol subfractions. I guess so
24:48
Speaker 2: lipid lipid panel, so, lipe approtein A is one that's
24:53
Speaker 2: less known, but it's a combination of a fat and
24:56
Speaker 2: approtein molecule, and some people genetically and also epigenetically, which means,
25:03
Speaker 2: according to you know, the way they're living, tend to
25:07
Speaker 2: run very high levels and that's kind of like an
25:10
Speaker 2: unknown contributor to to athlosclerotic heart disease. So it's very
25:15
Speaker 2: important to look at bringing that down.
25:19
Speaker 1: Now.
25:19
Speaker 2: One of the simplest ways is niosin. However, the studies
25:23
Speaker 2: haven't shown long term benefits in cardiovascular outcomes with the
25:28
Speaker 2: use of niosin, so then what has So if you
25:32
Speaker 2: just go on a statin medication, that can actually raise
25:37
Speaker 2: your levels of LiPo approaching A paradoxically, so that's worth
25:43
Speaker 2: being aware of.
25:43
Speaker 1: Now.
25:44
Speaker 2: PSK inhibitors are a form of injection therapy, and so
25:51
Speaker 2: you might inject them once a week or once a month,
25:54
Speaker 2: but they reduce generally the LDL cholesterol and the apple
25:58
Speaker 2: lipe approaching B which has now been found for be
26:01
Speaker 2: the ApoB has been found to be one of the
26:03
Speaker 2: most accurate markers, and the lyypoprotein A, so so there
26:08
Speaker 2: does still seem to be some importance of those. Now
26:11
Speaker 2: we know there's many influencers who are going away from
26:14
Speaker 2: this and saying, look forget cholesterol altogether and the sub
26:19
Speaker 2: fractions of those and just get your you know, get
26:22
Speaker 2: your metabolic health right. Go carnivore for instance. And for
26:27
Speaker 2: some people that may be the case. I have seen
26:28
Speaker 2: someone recently who was on a carnivor diet and checked
26:32
Speaker 2: his current with calcium and it was zero. So it
26:34
Speaker 2: may be for some people that that is the case
26:37
Speaker 2: that the metabolic health fire outshines anything else. But there
26:42
Speaker 2: does definitely seem to be cases in which having high
26:45
Speaker 2: levels of LDL cholesterol, particularly oxidized LDL or hyperprotein A,
26:51
Speaker 2: can lead to the development of athloscortic heart disease. And
26:55
Speaker 2: so PSK inhibitors are just a class of drugs that
26:59
Speaker 2: can be utilized. They're generally prescribed by cardiologists, but they
27:02
Speaker 2: can be prescribed by by someone like me as well.
27:06
Speaker 2: But that can be a very useful strategy to try
27:11
Speaker 2: and to keep all of those markers well. On the
27:14
Speaker 2: lipid side of things, we still have to work on
27:16
Speaker 2: the vitamin D, we still have to work on the
27:18
Speaker 2: home assystem. We still have to work on CRP as well,
27:22
Speaker 2: which is to do with inflammation. So there's I guess
27:25
Speaker 2: you could say it is a much more broad way
27:27
Speaker 2: of looking at cardiovascular disease. But if needed, these class
27:31
Speaker 2: of medications can be used to keep that lipid side
27:35
Speaker 2: of things under control.
27:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think people need to realize that the
27:40
Speaker 1: old cholesterol testing, you know, that's a mass population mass
27:45
Speaker 1: screening based on pretty flimsy evidence. You know, you've just
27:50
Speaker 1: talked about things that are much more impactful than your
27:54
Speaker 1: tall cholesterol or your LDL cholesterol, right, you know that
27:57
Speaker 1: doesn't tell you about the particle sizes, doesn't tell you
28:00
Speaker 1: about other things that that we nine or are increasingly important.
28:05
Speaker 1: Let's switch over and talk about metabolic health and and
28:10
Speaker 1: SGL two inhibitors. What's your view on on on the
28:14
Speaker 1: use of that as a maybe, Well, obviously if somebody
28:18
Speaker 1: has got an issue with their insulin and their blood sugar,
28:21
Speaker 1: and that's one use KISS, but another use KISS around
28:26
Speaker 1: getting your controlling your insulin and getting your blood sugar
28:30
Speaker 1: to optimal. Do you think there is a use KISS
28:34
Speaker 1: for that in from a longevity health spun perspective.
28:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're referring to like semi gluetide and living
28:40
Speaker 2: glue tided. Okay, cool, cool, cool. I wasn't sure they're
28:43
Speaker 2: for second So yes, those those class of medications. So
28:48
Speaker 2: semi glue tide is you know, it's become become the
28:52
Speaker 2: fad drug, I guess you could say now. And it's
28:55
Speaker 2: been used for weight loss all around the world now
28:58
Speaker 2: and if you're you know, celebrity in Hollywood, it's pretty
29:02
Speaker 2: likely you're taking it. But you know, and it's not
29:08
Speaker 2: without any risks whatsoever, these kind of compounds, So semaglue
29:12
Speaker 2: tide is one of the most common. Then we have monjarro,
29:16
Speaker 2: which is it's a combination of working on two different
29:21
Speaker 2: receptor syites. Now, they do appear to for some people
29:26
Speaker 2: they can just start the process of weight loss. Some people,
29:31
Speaker 2: even despite changing their diet and exercising very diligently, their
29:37
Speaker 2: weight may not shift. And one of the reasons can
29:41
Speaker 2: be due to a hormone called leptin, and leptin is
29:45
Speaker 2: a hormone produced in the hypothalamus and when again, just
29:51
Speaker 2: like the insulin resistance, you can develop leptin resistance where
29:55
Speaker 2: the body is not really sensitive to the effects of
29:58
Speaker 2: this hormone anymore, and therefore exercise and diet may not work.
30:03
Speaker 2: So what we need to do along with the diet
30:06
Speaker 2: and the exercise is give something that's going to unblock
30:10
Speaker 2: the leptin receptor. Now, other things like intermittent fasting, all
30:14
Speaker 2: of that's still really important. Avoiding nighttime eating altogether is
30:20
Speaker 2: apparently very very important, and left and resistance. But even
30:24
Speaker 2: just bringing in like a microdose of semiglutide or manjarro
30:29
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, it can it can help people
30:32
Speaker 2: to just to start the process of weight loss. Now
30:37
Speaker 2: they've got to continue that through their lifestyle. Of course,
30:39
Speaker 2: it's no good stopping them and then the weight rebounding
30:42
Speaker 2: back up again. So you know, there's also been some
30:46
Speaker 2: studies looking at those kind of medications plus HDG at
30:50
Speaker 2: the same time being very useful for weight loss. So
30:55
Speaker 2: I guess where we're going here with this discussion is
30:57
Speaker 2: that excessive weight is going to get in your way
31:01
Speaker 2: of longevity, and excessive insulin resistance, left and resistance, et cetera.
31:06
Speaker 2: They are all blocks to having ideal longevity. And so
31:10
Speaker 2: the first thing is to identify that you have these
31:14
Speaker 2: problems and then exploring the different possible strategies. Sometimes just
31:20
Speaker 2: good old met Foreman can be very useful for people.
31:24
Speaker 2: One downside to met forman is if you take it
31:27
Speaker 2: before a big workout, you can inhibit effect. So what
31:32
Speaker 2: I do I don't I don't exercise, I don't do
31:34
Speaker 2: a big workout every day. I take met forman on
31:37
Speaker 2: the days I don't work out, So that can be
31:41
Speaker 2: that can be quite a good strategy. That's often a
31:44
Speaker 2: first more like a starting point to you know, to
31:47
Speaker 2: help with insulin resistance and wait, and then you might
31:51
Speaker 2: then progress to things like the semaglutide, manjaro, HGG, et cetera.
31:56
Speaker 2: But I'm not against using these kinds of tools to
32:00
Speaker 2: help us to achieve the goals that we're looking for.
32:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I guess there's other things. You know,
32:08
Speaker 1: you've got met form and you mentioned there's things like
32:10
Speaker 1: for zayga, what's that's a life losing Yeah, which is
32:17
Speaker 1: is less extreme than than the manjaro and those sorts
32:20
Speaker 1: of things, but can can actually help control that without
32:25
Speaker 1: some of the side effects of these other drugs, because
32:28
Speaker 1: I think educating people that when they when they take
32:31
Speaker 1: these these amazing weight loss drugs, they lose a shipload
32:35
Speaker 1: of muscle as well as that, which is not good. Interesting.
32:39
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen tan san deep the
32:41
Speaker 1: the recent clinical trials where they've added in a mile
32:45
Speaker 1: statin blocker into this. So maya statn is the it's
32:50
Speaker 1: the one mile kind that inhibits muscle growth. And so
32:53
Speaker 1: when they block that, the people that were taking the
32:57
Speaker 1: myostatin blocker with the that was the version of manjar
33:01
Speaker 1: or whatever, we're losing weir it but preserving muscle.
33:05
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's very interesting.
33:09
Speaker 1: It is very interesting because I was talking to someone,
33:11
Speaker 1: I said, you know, they're going to start adding in
33:14
Speaker 1: malekines to these things. I wasn't expecting them to work
33:20
Speaker 1: on my statin, but once I thought, Jesus, that makes
33:22
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And so that's an interesting next
33:26
Speaker 1: generation of these drugs that's actually coming out.
33:30
Speaker 2: But we're talking about the field of precision medicine really,
33:35
Speaker 2: where we're using using medications in a much more targeted
33:40
Speaker 2: fashion rather than just using them, you know, using it
33:43
Speaker 2: as a road thing. Okay, you've got high cholesterol, here's
33:46
Speaker 2: your stat and we're trying to use it in a
33:49
Speaker 2: much more precise way to achieve longevity goals.
33:54
Speaker 1: Now, what's your I was just asking your opinion on
34:00
Speaker 1: men an are and these sorts that that you see everywhere, right,
34:06
Speaker 1: particularly influencers promoting them. And you know, the theory is
34:13
Speaker 1: is reasonably signed, like an E D is really critical
34:16
Speaker 1: as we it is we drop an E D and
34:19
Speaker 1: that's that that's important. You know, it impacts on our energy.
34:23
Speaker 1: And there are some studies showing that these molecules can
34:27
Speaker 1: increase an A D. What I haven't yet seen is
34:32
Speaker 1: obviously impacts on longevity. But where where do you sit
34:35
Speaker 1: on it? Because I'm a little bit on the fence
34:38
Speaker 1: until I see some more data come out. But you may,
34:41
Speaker 1: you may, you may have a different view on it.
34:44
Speaker 2: Well, I think they come under the broader category of
34:47
Speaker 2: mitochondrial support, and so I think it's important to know
34:51
Speaker 2: that mitochondria is not just about an A D. There's
34:54
Speaker 2: you know, there's there's much more to mitochondria and and
34:58
Speaker 2: there's many things we can be doing in our daily
35:00
Speaker 2: life which are you could say they're all longevity promoters
35:04
Speaker 2: that assist the mitochondria. So we're doing saunas regularly, we're
35:08
Speaker 2: doing ice baths, we're doing intermittent fasting, red light therapy,
35:13
Speaker 2: hyperbaric all of those things are going to help the mitochondria.
35:17
Speaker 2: Hydrogen water. That's one of the recents that also seems
35:21
Speaker 2: to help the mitochondria very much. Now NAD My approach
35:25
Speaker 2: to this is, why wouldn't you check your levels? You know?
35:29
Speaker 2: And so I do NAD testing. It's a blood spot test,
35:34
Speaker 2: just like the true age, and you find out your levels. Now,
35:39
Speaker 2: so far everyone except myself and one other has been low.
35:44
Speaker 2: And the difference of why am I the difference, Well,
35:46
Speaker 2: I've taken a lot, so it probably does come down
35:51
Speaker 2: to supplementation at this point, you take it a lot.
35:57
Speaker 2: I've taken R well, no I an NAD IV. I'll
36:01
Speaker 2: take some NMN as well orally. So my approach is
36:06
Speaker 2: usually starting with more injectable forms if someone's low, and
36:12
Speaker 2: then then seeing if they can, you know, getting their
36:15
Speaker 2: levels up, and then seeing if they can maintain them
36:18
Speaker 2: with precursors. I don't think it's quite as easy, and
36:21
Speaker 2: I think some people may not convert convert the precursors efficiently,
36:27
Speaker 2: and it's you know, there's no way to know until
36:31
Speaker 2: you just do an experiment. Do an experiment, find out. Okay,
36:35
Speaker 2: let's do NMN, or even let's say someone's very low
36:38
Speaker 2: and they just want to start with NMN. They don't
36:40
Speaker 2: want to do any injections, no problems. Take a certain
36:43
Speaker 2: amount for three or six months, and then we'll recheck
36:46
Speaker 2: your levels and let's see if it has made a
36:48
Speaker 2: meaningful difference.
36:50
Speaker 1: And I didn't know you could do blood spot testing
36:52
Speaker 1: of ND.
36:53
Speaker 2: That's interesting, it's actually, yeah, I think. And it looks
36:56
Speaker 2: at a number of the different ratios as well, like
36:58
Speaker 2: the NA D to n A d H ratio and
37:01
Speaker 2: the n A D n A d p H ratio
37:04
Speaker 2: which is actually very much related to blood sugar control
37:08
Speaker 2: m hm. So I am finding that to be That's
37:11
Speaker 2: another test that we do routinely. We also do the hormones,
37:15
Speaker 2: as you suggested, a wide range of nutrients on people,
37:19
Speaker 2: and then hair mineral analysis. It's actually quite important, I
37:24
Speaker 2: believe just looking at the minerals in the in the
37:27
Speaker 2: body as being an important determinant of longevity.
37:30
Speaker 1: Because your hair is a is a more long standing
37:33
Speaker 1: marker then getting blood, isn't it, because it it's pretty
37:37
Speaker 1: transient in blood, but it stays in her exactly. I'm
37:40
Speaker 1: a bit I'm a bit challenged in that department.
37:42
Speaker 2: But well, you've got hair elsewhere.
37:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
37:47
Speaker 2: That gets me.
37:48
Speaker 3: Used, so it's it's a more long term marker. It's
37:52
Speaker 3: a marker of tissue levels and uh. And there's various
37:56
Speaker 3: patterns that can show up in the hair that may
37:59
Speaker 3: well not sharp in the blood.
38:01
Speaker 2: So if you're really depleted, and if you're in like
38:04
Speaker 2: a collapse pattern and there are certain patterns on hammer
38:07
Speaker 2: or analysis that suggest that, then you may need to
38:11
Speaker 2: just focus on building your body up and actually not
38:14
Speaker 2: going to heavy exercise straight away. So there can be
38:18
Speaker 2: little variations like if you're too I don't know what
38:21
Speaker 2: your view on this is, but if you're totally burnt
38:23
Speaker 2: out adrenally and so on, you know, yeah, you know
38:27
Speaker 2: you may not recovered. Yeah, you've got to recover before
38:30
Speaker 2: you can start doing really really.
38:32
Speaker 1: Heavy Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely yeah. Whenever you're in the hole,
38:37
Speaker 1: you've got to get yourself out of the hole before
38:39
Speaker 1: you start to optimize. But the last couple of questions
38:44
Speaker 1: I'm aware of your time is heavy metals, heavy metals
38:52
Speaker 1: in the body, testing for them, do you find it useful?
38:56
Speaker 1: And then if you find that people do have presence
39:00
Speaker 1: of heavy metals, what's the appropriate intervention.
39:04
Speaker 2: I feel I do feel heavy metals are very important firstly, yes,
39:08
Speaker 2: and they are very important biochemical disruptors, and so the
39:13
Speaker 2: basic concept is that they will replace nutritional medicine metals
39:19
Speaker 2: rather such as zinc and selenium and many many others
39:25
Speaker 2: in enzyme binding sites. So basically those nutrients are vital
39:31
Speaker 2: for enzymes working. Enzymes are like biological catalysts of reactions
39:36
Speaker 2: in the body. So if you have if you have
39:40
Speaker 2: an enzyme that's dependent on zinc and you have a
39:44
Speaker 2: heap of cadmium from smoking in the past, then that
39:47
Speaker 2: cadmium will go and replace the zinc, and that enzyme
39:50
Speaker 2: might only work at thirty percent. Well, that doesn't sound
39:54
Speaker 2: like it's going to help you to get to your
39:55
Speaker 2: longevity goals, does it. So it's important to know that
39:59
Speaker 2: these pounds in the body. I'll also add micotoxins to
40:02
Speaker 2: that list. If you've got mold toxins in the body,
40:06
Speaker 2: that's also going to greatly affect things, you know, chemicals
40:10
Speaker 2: probably as well. So you need to identify them.
40:13
Speaker 1: Now.
40:14
Speaker 2: One of the simplest ways is doing hair mineral analysis.
40:18
Speaker 1: Now.
40:18
Speaker 2: The thing you need to know though is they may
40:20
Speaker 2: not show up on the first analysis, and you may
40:25
Speaker 2: and they've really you've got to come from the fundamental
40:27
Speaker 2: assumption that everyone has a degree of heavy metals.
40:32
Speaker 1: If you've been on this planet for a while, a
40:35
Speaker 1: strong likelihood in there.
40:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I had quite a lot of mercury myself.
40:39
Speaker 2: I had some cadmium. I've had some aluminium, very high
40:42
Speaker 2: levels of aluminum, so, you know, and that's not from
40:46
Speaker 2: doing anything really crazy, it's just from living on this planet.
40:50
Speaker 2: So most so, basically, I think everyone has some degree
40:53
Speaker 2: of heavy metals, and everyone needs to build up their minerals.
40:57
Speaker 2: Everyone's somewhat deplete in minerals. So the first step actually
41:01
Speaker 2: with heavy metals is to build up your mineral reserves
41:03
Speaker 2: and your your antioxidant and reserves, and your detoxification capacity,
41:09
Speaker 2: and then too, you know, sometimes to then assist the
41:13
Speaker 2: detoxification systems to rid heavy metals from the body. Whether
41:19
Speaker 2: that's using things like coriander and chlrella, et cetera, or
41:25
Speaker 2: you know, there's many many other approaches. Some people use
41:27
Speaker 2: d m s A et cetera, et cetera, or some
41:30
Speaker 2: people are more fans of just doing detoxication procedures really regularly,
41:35
Speaker 2: like saunas and coffee animals.
41:37
Speaker 1: And charcoal and sweat, and you gotta you gotta sweat, right,
41:45
Speaker 1: sweat that stuff, lots of cruciferous vegetables, lots of onion
41:49
Speaker 1: sky like click, fears one and fears two, detox pathways.
41:52
Speaker 2: Right, exactly right, So look, I do think it's very
41:56
Speaker 2: important to know there are also more specific tests for it,
42:00
Speaker 2: which we call urinary provocation tests. It's not done as
42:04
Speaker 2: commonly anymore, but I certainly have used those tests and
42:07
Speaker 2: they can be very useful at times. And you know,
42:10
Speaker 2: people can if they've got very high levels or they're
42:13
Speaker 2: being affected by the heavy metal. So for instance, let's
42:15
Speaker 2: say you've got a lot of lead and you've got
42:18
Speaker 2: cardiovascular disease, Well you might want to do something called
42:21
Speaker 2: et aculation IV, which can help you to rid your
42:26
Speaker 2: body of the lead and just to help your your circulation.
42:31
Speaker 1: Very cool. And last question, what is either the biggest
42:38
Speaker 1: anti longevity habit that you see in people or or
42:42
Speaker 1: or what would be the one thing that you would
42:45
Speaker 1: say to people to do less of or to stop
42:48
Speaker 1: doing In terms of longevi we've been talking about lots
42:51
Speaker 1: of things that we should do. What should we be
42:54
Speaker 1: stopping doing or doing a shitload less.
42:56
Speaker 2: Of Okay, some of you may not like me for
42:59
Speaker 2: this that I think. My answer is just drinking copious
43:02
Speaker 2: amounts of alcohol. It is probably the biggest anti anti
43:08
Speaker 2: longevity habit. And you know, of course, we all like
43:10
Speaker 2: to have fun, and we're not saying don't have fun,
43:14
Speaker 2: but if it becomes like a habit, you know where
43:18
Speaker 2: you're you're having four, five, six, seven alcoholic drinks a night.
43:22
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people who are under
43:23
Speaker 2: pressure CEOs, et cetera, you know, because they may not
43:28
Speaker 2: have time to find other strategies, tend to adopt this
43:33
Speaker 2: habit of just drinking very, very large amounts of alcohol.
43:37
Speaker 2: I think that is going to cause problems when it
43:39
Speaker 2: comes to longevity. I think, yeah, I think it's it's
43:43
Speaker 2: going to inhibit many of those helpful biochemical pathways, and.
43:48
Speaker 1: So I screw up your metabolic health at the same time.
43:53
Speaker 2: Exactly, that's right. So you know, I would say, try
43:56
Speaker 2: to get high on life without all the alcohol. Try
44:01
Speaker 2: and just get high through you know, connection, through getting
44:06
Speaker 2: into nature, through you know, being in connection with wonderful people,
44:09
Speaker 2: through exploring new interests, you know, through all those variety
44:14
Speaker 2: of means. Try to just be high on life. We
44:16
Speaker 2: all want to be happy, of course, but we need
44:19
Speaker 2: to find a more holistic way. I think of trying
44:22
Speaker 2: to find that happiness rather than just through alcohol.
44:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if your happiness is in a bottle,
44:28
Speaker 1: that's probably not a good thing.
44:31
Speaker 2: That's a good This has.
44:33
Speaker 1: Been awesome And now you do run longevity programs. Yes,
44:37
Speaker 1: so we're where do we send people to find out
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Speaker 1: more about your longevity program if they're interested in increasing
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Speaker 1: their health spun and potentially their life spun.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go to our website, it's Lotus Holistic
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Speaker 2: Medicine dot com dot au. So there's no w in
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Speaker 2: the holistic just hate your well is s t I
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Speaker 2: C so Lotus Holistic Medicine dot com dot au. And
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Speaker 2: if you just click on longevity, you'll see that there
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Speaker 2: is a there is a button there to organize a
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Speaker 2: discovery call with one of our health coaches and we
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Speaker 2: can chat with you about whether it's right for you
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Speaker 2: or not, because you know, it's not right for everyone
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Speaker 2: if you're not at the stage in your life journey
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Speaker 2: where you can invest on all levels, like there's a
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Speaker 2: bit of a you know, there's there's an investment of
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Speaker 2: energy there's an investment of money as well, and so yeah,
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Speaker 2: if you're at that stage and you you know you
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Speaker 2: really want to do it. I myself, I'm doing a
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Speaker 2: long devity program at the moment and loving it and
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Speaker 2: looking at doing my next true age test in February
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Speaker 2: next year and trying to get my biological age down
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Speaker 2: more and more. So if you want to join me
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Speaker 2: on this fun adventure, yeah, come and chat with one
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Speaker 2: of our health coaches and what we'll let you know
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Speaker 2: what's involved.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, Sandy cooped up. Thank you very much. Keep doing
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Speaker 1: what you're doing and and and good for us all
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Speaker 1: that you manage to get out of the traditional and
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Speaker 1: sick cour system.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Paul. It's been a pleasure chatting with you
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Speaker 2: and also hearing some of your amazing knowledge. So thank you,
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Speaker 2: and you please keep doing what you're doing too. It
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Speaker 2: was very inspired by your talk at ACNAM last year.
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Speaker 1: Oh cool, excellent good stuff. Thanks Matte