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3 Lifestyle Factors Destroying Your Mental Health (And How to Fix Them) with Dr. Julia Britz · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

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  Speaker 2: Podcast, Doctor Julia Britts.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome to the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much having to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Are you where about saying you and I are across
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  Speaker 2: the big pond from me?
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  Speaker 1: I am across the big pond. I'm actually in Las Vegas, Nevada,
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  Speaker 1: or since city, or in my opinion, is actually a
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  Speaker 1: very small city, so it could feel like a town sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: But I love it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you live there, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I've lived here on and off my whole life. So
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  Speaker 1: I actually went to naturally Medical School in San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: I went to best year, So I love it. I
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  Speaker 1: love San Diego. It's my favorite place in the whole world.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm very passionate about living in Las Vegas because
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  Speaker 1: I spent so much time here, and when I was
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  Speaker 1: living in Sidona, Arizona, which was a wild adventure, I
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  Speaker 1: had so many people come to see me from Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: Because natural pathic Medicine is not licensed in Nevada, So
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  Speaker 1: it's crazy. It's so stupid because all the students around
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  Speaker 1: Avada license it. So Nevada is losing out on a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money. Really dumb.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, that's it, so not licensed at all?
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  Speaker 1: Correct?
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  Speaker 5: Mm hmm, So this is not me.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot practice, so you just can't get insurance for practicing,
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  Speaker 2: and you can get in the shit.
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  Speaker 1: Well, mostly you can practice here. There's about six of
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  Speaker 1: us here, but we are limited under certain state laws
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  Speaker 1: about complementary medicine, so kind of like what happens when
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  Speaker 1: people practice acupuncture here or massage therapy. There's certain things
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  Speaker 1: that we're allowed to do, and some things I don't
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  Speaker 1: want us to do, like I can't physically touch a patient.
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  Speaker 1: I can't inject anything or do IV so I have
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  Speaker 1: to be a little cast. But honestly, most of all
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  Speaker 1: my practices telemed so I'm not touching people anyway. My
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  Speaker 1: practice isn't that different than if I were in a
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  Speaker 1: more licensed state, So for me, it works out.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, gotcha?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, And so how long talk us to your study
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  Speaker 2: and how long you studied in naturopathic medicine, because there's
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  Speaker 2: different levels of natropathic medicine around the world, right, there
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  Speaker 2: are people who can do a little crash course that's
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  Speaker 2: like a twelve week course, and then there's people who
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  Speaker 2: have degrees in PhDs and natropathic medicine.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And even in the US there are different
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  Speaker 1: certification programs. You could pay like one hundred dollars and
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  Speaker 1: you could call yourself like a certificate holder of naturalthic medicine.
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  Speaker 1: And that's confusing for the average person looking for someone
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  Speaker 1: you know who is quote unquote qualified. Which is to
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  Speaker 1: say there aren't people that are not professionally educated that
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  Speaker 1: are perfectly qualified, but it is to say that we
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  Speaker 1: are making it way too confusing for people, and that's
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  Speaker 1: new good. But for me, I went to Bastyr for
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  Speaker 1: my mateuroprathic medical degree and that's a four year program.
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  Speaker 1: And before that I did my My bachelor's was actually
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  Speaker 1: in art technology, so I was doing you know, more
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  Speaker 1: marketing kind of stuff and design. That was fun and
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  Speaker 1: then but that didn't really do well to get me
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  Speaker 1: into National probably medical school, so I actually had to
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  Speaker 1: do my posts. Yeah they're like no, not quite even
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  Speaker 1: that's me. Art is medicine and medicine is art but whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So I actually did my post bachelor's study in organic chemistry,
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  Speaker 1: and so I spent three years doing that and then
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  Speaker 1: all the prelimerinary work. So for me, it was it
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  Speaker 1: did four years from my bachelor's, three years of post back,
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  Speaker 1: and then four years of medicine and I really don't
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  Speaker 1: want to go back to school anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I had not, Yeah, Chase, what's not tanged years all up?
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  Speaker 5: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, it's a lot.
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  Speaker 5: It's a lot, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So you you are particularly focused on mental health. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you do lots of different things in mental health.
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  Speaker 2: Why did you start to specialize in mental health? And
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  Speaker 2: we can talk about the different areas that you specialize in,
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  Speaker 2: but what was the driver initially? You know for me?
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is common for a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: but I wanted everyone else to see what it could do,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And that's it's we see that all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Like a lot of people, when the Western medical system
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  Speaker 1: switch over into natural product medicine, not many of us
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  Speaker 1: switch back over into we kind of just so our
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  Speaker 1: group ends up getting a little bit biger all time.
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  Speaker 1: So for me, I was dealing with so many different things.
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  Speaker 1: I would My stomach was a mess. Everything I ate
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  Speaker 1: made me sick and bloated. I tried all these restrictive
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  Speaker 1: diets and I was still getting problems. And I had
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  Speaker 1: the most debilitating cramp period pain during my mental cycle.
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  Speaker 1: I had horrible insomnia, anxiety all the time, severe OCD,
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  Speaker 1: and so it just seemed like I and I had
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  Speaker 1: doctors tell me like, you're not unhealthy, but you get
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  Speaker 1: sick a lot. It seemed like I just caught every
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  Speaker 1: little thing that came my way. So I had strapped
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  Speaker 1: so many times, had staff infections and ear infections, just
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  Speaker 1: all these things that little kids kind of were supposed
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  Speaker 1: to get, but adults can kind of expect them to
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  Speaker 1: not really get those things anymore as much. And I
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  Speaker 1: was just getting everything. So I felt like my immune system.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I know it's not working great. Is
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  Speaker 1: it overreactive? Is it under I don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: And so I started seeing a naturopathic practitioner and she
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  Speaker 1: was the one that said, oh, well, you know, do
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  Speaker 1: you have OCD? And I didn't tell her I did.
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  Speaker 1: I just went in for, you know, all the things
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  Speaker 1: that I knew you could fix without medications. I thought,
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  Speaker 1: if you need to fix a head to be a
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  Speaker 1: med thing, you know, So I was taken out a
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  Speaker 1: van from Mexico. I was like, I'll just do that myself.
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  Speaker 1: So she said, you know, we can do so for OCD,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, no, no, well I've already been
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  Speaker 1: told that. It's you know, take a man. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to take an SSRI. I don't want to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather just take out of it when I need
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  Speaker 1: it and drink alcohol and self medicat and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, no, we can do so much more than that.
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  Speaker 1: And it was absolutely incredible how my ocity really just disappeared,
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  Speaker 1: It just went away. And after that I thought, this
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  Speaker 1: is like a secret, Like how did everyone needs to
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  Speaker 1: know this? Like I have not been the only person
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  Speaker 1: in the world that was told, well, you can try
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  Speaker 1: an SSRI or you can do some psychotherapy for OCD,
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  Speaker 1: and that's kind of it. And so most people don't
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  Speaker 1: like those two options, you know, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: been sort of this giant untold thing. It's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: there's a third option. It's get to the root costs.
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  Speaker 1: Do that and then OCD will go.
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  Speaker 2: I interesting and how quickly was the resolution in your OCD.
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  Speaker 2: Was it a gradual process over a month, or was
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  Speaker 2: it something that you kind of went, oh wow, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that's different.
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  Speaker 1: It was about a month. It was dramatic, and for me,
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  Speaker 1: I noticed it originally when I left the bathroom. I
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  Speaker 1: normally I had a lot of rituals, like washing my
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  Speaker 1: hands multiple times, and I remember walking out of the
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  Speaker 1: bathroom and I thought that's weird. But I felt like
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  Speaker 1: it took me no time at all, and I knew
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  Speaker 1: something was off. And I was like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't compulse, like I didn't even think to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I just forgot to do it. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that's cool. And my ex husband at the time, my
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  Speaker 1: ex husband, he was the one said you don't talk anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And I was a compulsive talker because I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to fill up the space. I was anxious, and it
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  Speaker 1: was part of my anxiety brain to just fill up
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  Speaker 1: the time in the space. And he's like, you don't
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  Speaker 1: say anything anymore. I was like, I don't feel a
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  Speaker 1: need to say anything. I feel like I was okay
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  Speaker 1: with the quiet space. And it really felt like someone
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  Speaker 1: took it out of my brain. I felt like there
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  Speaker 1: was a space left and I was like, well, so
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  Speaker 1: I actually got depressed right after. And that's because I
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  Speaker 1: sort of had this identity crisis, and it's because I'm
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  Speaker 1: not the ozity girl and I don't know if I
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  Speaker 1: I mean, did I I picked up this shirt but
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  Speaker 1: I had do I even like it? Or did OC
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  Speaker 1: digally like it? Did I pick it because of a compulsioner?
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  Speaker 1: And everything was a question in my life, like did
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  Speaker 1: I pick the right shirt? Did I pick the right husband?
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  Speaker 1: Like it was so intense joint to decide right, give.
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  Speaker 5: It that you got an ex husband not an ended
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  Speaker 5: up being no, it was no.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a no. So yeah it was. It
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  Speaker 1: was a lot to try to figure out it unpack
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  Speaker 1: and definitely an identity crisis and a transformational experience. And
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  Speaker 1: that part took a long time. The OC going away,
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  Speaker 1: that part actually was relatively quick, but all the recovery
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  Speaker 1: stuff and trying to figure out, well, what's going to
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  Speaker 1: take that place? I spent hours a day obsessing, compulsaying now, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what like what do I do now?
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  Speaker 2: So it's kind of like an elite athlete who then
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  Speaker 2: just stops playing. It is like your whole identity is
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  Speaker 2: now just gone and there's this an existential vacuum.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, that is exactly what it is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you identify so much with this thing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like whether it's like you're an athlete or your mom
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  Speaker 1: and your kids leave, like when your role changes, like
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  Speaker 1: your identity is just shaken to the core, and then
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  Speaker 1: it's like whoever.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really interesting segue into all sort of mental health, right,
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  Speaker 2: because it's interesting. I was listening to a psychiatrist talking
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  Speaker 2: a podcast the other day and she said, because their
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  Speaker 2: training is all around the DSAM, she said that she
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  Speaker 2: find that when she was talking to patients for the
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  Speaker 2: first time, rather than listening to them one hundred percent empathetically,
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  Speaker 2: her brain was like, Okay, which by do I put
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  Speaker 2: her in? Or watch bucket? Do I put her in? What?
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  Speaker 2: Liebel Am I going to assign to this person? And
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  Speaker 2: I find there are a lot of people I really
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  Speaker 2: don't like this term it's my anxiety or it's my depression,
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  Speaker 2: because it's like it's a part of you and it
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  Speaker 2: becomes part of the identity.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see that a lot when you're talking with
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  Speaker 2: patients is that they identify with the label that they've
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  Speaker 2: been given all the time.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it comes from a place of validation
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  Speaker 1: and the need for it, because so many people are like,
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  Speaker 1: what's wrong with me? What's wrong with this? And they
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  Speaker 1: finally find out they need to hold on to that
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  Speaker 1: validation of Okay, now I actually know and someone believes me.
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  Speaker 1: But that sort of can turn into this, how do
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  Speaker 1: I fit deeper into this?
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  Speaker 2: But that's a nice free is that's a nice prae
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  Speaker 2: is how do I fit deeper into this because that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of what I'm observing, particularly with young people. My
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  Speaker 2: I like that, Yeah, fitting deeper into it. Let's because
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  Speaker 2: because you talked earlier on about SSRIs, right, we know
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  Speaker 2: that SSRs s NRIs. You know, antidepressant medication. One in
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  Speaker 2: seven people in Australia are on an antidepressant. It's one
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  Speaker 2: in one in eight in the UK and one an
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  Speaker 2: eight in New Zealand. I think it's even more in
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  Speaker 2: the States. And I heard the other day and I
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  Speaker 2: have to go and try and find this that one
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  Speaker 2: in four women in the States are on an antidepressant,
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  Speaker 2: which is just bonkers. And my listeners will have heard
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  Speaker 2: me talk about this before in Australia, and I think
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  Speaker 2: it's almost identical. In the States. Eighty five percent of
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  Speaker 2: psychiatric medication is dispensed by non psychiatric doctors eighty five
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  Speaker 2: percent of the scripts, right, And the guidelines when you
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  Speaker 2: look at the DSM is that they should be on
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  Speaker 2: them for six to twelve months. It should be a
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  Speaker 2: temporary thing. In Australia, the average length of use is
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  Speaker 2: four years and getting worse. And we nine know that
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  Speaker 2: there are a ridiculous amount of side effects. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to be interviewing pretty soon Professor John Reid who's done
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  Speaker 2: research on this onreal people experiencing it right, which is
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  Speaker 2: different too. And I think what our listeners need to
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  Speaker 2: understand is that the side effects in inverted comments that
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  Speaker 2: are associated with the medication officially are the ones that
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  Speaker 2: were tested in clinical trials.
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  Speaker 5: And it turns out they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Even ask the question for a lot of these conditions,
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  Speaker 2: so are for a lot of the side effects. And
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  Speaker 2: guess what happens if you don't ask the question? There
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  Speaker 2: is no side effect, right. But I'm just going to
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  Speaker 2: read you out a few stats and that will kick
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  Speaker 2: off a conversation of a twenty eighteen peer reviewed article
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  Speaker 2: assessed over fourteen hundred patients who'd been across thirty one
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  Speaker 2: different countries right cross cultural about their side effects, and
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  Speaker 2: sixty one percent of patients experienced at least ten side effects.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what the data said. Seventy one percent felt emotionally numb,
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  Speaker 2: seventy percent felt foggyar detached, sixty six percent feeling that
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  Speaker 2: I'm not myself, sixty six percent sexual difficulties which were
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  Speaker 2: often persistent, sixty three percent drives iness, sixty percent reduction
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  Speaker 2: in positive feelings, fifty percent suicidality suicidal thoughts, and fifty
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  Speaker 2: nine percent withdrawal effects if they try to come off,
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  Speaker 2: and forty percent felt that they were actually addicted to
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  Speaker 2: the drugs. Now, we need to balance this with sometimes
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  Speaker 2: these are life saving medications, particularly for people with very
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  Speaker 2: severe disorders, right, But the vast majority of people who
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  Speaker 2: are on these do not have severe They have mild
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  Speaker 2: to moderate issues. Right.
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  Speaker 5: I just wanted to get.
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  Speaker 2: Your observations on that, what's your racial thoughts about that,
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  Speaker 2: and what do you see clinically?
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  Speaker 1: I would say that sounds very representative of what I
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  Speaker 1: see clinically, especially sexual dysfunction, waking, fatigue, emotional numbness. And
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  Speaker 1: what's really interesting about these medications is they're markets so
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  Speaker 1: well at being hey, there's a medication that's going to
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  Speaker 1: reduce your depression, but actually it has a better chance
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  Speaker 1: statistically of reducing your sexual function than it does it
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  Speaker 1: treating your depression. So it should be marketed for what
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  Speaker 1: it does the best, right, It should be marketed for like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we found a kind of toxic substance, and actually it
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  Speaker 1: can really turn off someone's emotions, and it can disrupt
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  Speaker 1: their appetite, and it can cause sleep problems. It does
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  Speaker 1: sort of numb them out, which I guess is good
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  Speaker 1: if someone's really depressed. But that's not good marketing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so they have to sell it this certain way. And
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  Speaker 1: that's a huge part. I have a problem with this,
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  Speaker 1: all the marketing involved in these medications, not just that
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  Speaker 1: you can ask for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: But and I think in the States it's very different
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  Speaker 2: because it's actively marketed to individuals. I couldn't believe it
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  Speaker 2: being in the States, how many adverts there were for
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  Speaker 2: drugs for medications like directly advertising to consumers.
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  Speaker 5: It's wild.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah here, and I believe New Zealand direct to consumer
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  Speaker 1: advertising is absolutely legal. And in addition to that being
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  Speaker 1: a problem, you know, I think the way that the
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  Speaker 1: drugs are marketed to physicians as well. So originally valume
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  Speaker 1: was marketed as being a recovery it's so ben volumes
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  Speaker 1: of benzodaea as a pen for anxiety. It was marketed
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  Speaker 1: as a recovery agent for people that just had my
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  Speaker 1: cardion function that needed to get back into life. You
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  Speaker 1: could give them just insane. So but unfortunately, because the
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  Speaker 1: marketing is so good, and then also even stems back
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  Speaker 1: further to like what we call them, like for example,
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  Speaker 1: lithium carbonates called a mood stabilizer. A mostable is not
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  Speaker 1: a medical term, but even doctors call it that even
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  Speaker 1: though it's actually not. It's an eliptic. The same with antipsychotics.
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  Speaker 1: Those used to actually be called ne e eleptics, but
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  Speaker 1: they decide to call it antipsychotic because that gives the
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  Speaker 1: impression it will stop psychosis. It actually may not stop
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  Speaker 1: psychosis for the individual. It will make them more compliant,
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  Speaker 1: it will stop their hostility. They may not talk about
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  Speaker 1: what's going on as much. It may not actually help
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  Speaker 1: them feel better as a person. So I think that's
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  Speaker 1: sort of misleading everybody what the drugs are actually going
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: And I heard a scurry sat the other day again
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: with a from a very senior medical person that over
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: eighty five percent of drugs, prescription drugs and the US
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: are used all fleable. Oh so they're actually being used
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: for stuff that they weren't approved for in the first place.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: And now it's because that clinically they've kind of found
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: benefits when they've tried somebody on something and noticed that, hey,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: this person's got better.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: But this is all drugs.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: This isn't just this isn't just mood drugs. There's all drugs.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Eighty five percent of them in the States are awfulble
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I'd love to know what it is in over here.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: I'm sure it's quite similar.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: But that then it becomes really interesting, doesn't it, whenever
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: we look at how all of these things are a
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: both marketed and then used. But let's be clear, I'm
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: not saying that that that medications are bad. We're not
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: throwing that out there for all medications. But it's just
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: people being a word that a lot of them are
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: used off labele. But then when we get into the
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: mood drugs, as you say, a lot of them are
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: used and appear to be effective at least in the
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: short term, and can be effective for people with severe
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: issues because they numb emotions, but then they numb up
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: lots of other things as well.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Right, So let's talk.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: About your approach and how it's differed. So if somebody
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: comes into you with and you pick your flee of
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: our whether it's depression and anxiety OCD or all of them,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: what is your approach tend to look like?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So I have a very holistic approach for people coming
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: in with whatever it is, anxiety, oh see whatever. And
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that's because so often most of these mental health symptoms
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: that you are in the DSM. My problem with that is
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that almost every single condition in there, the recommended gold
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: standard form of treatment is it's probagenetic, takeing medication, consider
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: therapy almost everything. When reality, most of the time, much
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of the time, if someone has depression that's not related
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to gree for trauma, it's often physiological. So even simplistically,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: if someone had you know, hypothire, you know, why not
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: check that first before giving someone an SSRI for And
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that's because I think so often people quote unquote complain
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and they're very short fifteen minutes with a doctor about
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the thing that bothers in the most. So even if
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: they have dry skin, that's going to take a back seat.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: They're not going to bring that up. They're going to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: say I got depression, and the doctor's going to go, oh, checkbox, great,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: how can I diagnose this and code it for insurance
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: you know which. To me, the DSM is just an
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: insurance manual, which is unfortunate because it directs us to
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: treat medicine a certain way, which doesn't work in mental health.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: So then people coming in are going to go, hey,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I only have depression, Oh, no problem, I have a medication.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: It's quote unquote good for that. And in reality they
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: were never worked up thoroughly for something physiological first, which
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I think is the biggest the service for mental help.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: So for me, that's my first question is what physiologically
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: can we look up first? And also what role is
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: trauma playing. Trauma can cause everything from acne, ibsnxiety, depression, insomnia,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you know, so forth, So I like to look at
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: all that together to see if we can figure out, okay,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: is the anxiety even if it's a most prominent symptom
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: is it related to something physical that we can treat first?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: And I do believe in stinder management. Of course, I
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: want people out to suffering, and I like to that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: natural pathically as I can, so, meaning, can we reduce
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: inflammation through the diet. Can we use different nutraceuticals like
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: botanicals and different nutrients and things like that to help
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: target different pathways to support whatever could be probably causing
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: some of that anxiety or depression.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's really interesting.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I interviewed doctor Mark Horowitz, who was one of the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: authors on the landmark paper along with I think it's
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Judia among Crief that basically completely debunk the serotonin theory
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: of depression. And Mark is actually leading. He's one of
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the leaders on the Maudesley d prescribing guidelines. Right. Yeah,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: so he's a psychiatrist. He's just finished in his training,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: but he had severe depression and he said he went
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: on antidepressants and it almost killed him and getting off,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: he said, was completely horrendous. But he is not, you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: educating doctors on how to de prescribe, because he said
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of doctors if the pot patient comes in
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and they want to get off it because they're having
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: all of those symptoms that we talked about, all those
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: side effects, A lot of doctors will just stop cold turkey,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: or the patient will stop cold turkey. And he said
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: that that's just a disaster and that it's got to
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: be deprescribed in a in a very deliberate way. But
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the reason I'm bringing this up is that their theory
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: is that most depression and they're just talking about depression here, well,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: probably anxiety as well. It's caused by stress, and we
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: see those pathways HI stress impacts the brain, hi it Kit, Dampenstein,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: neurotransmit a whole wide array of neurotransmitter release, right, but
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it also affects the got which says a huge impact.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure that we're preaching to the converted here
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: when we talk about the role that got in moot.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I've never seen someone with anxiety that didn't also have
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: gut issues. I don't think I've ever seen that, you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And we've been taught for so long that a calorie
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: is just a calorie, you could eat whatever you want,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: which honestly might have been through one hundred years ago.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And we then have all the ultra
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: process shit in the food.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just not true anymore. It's so hard
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to know, like, oh, cool, now what do we eat?
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? What's inflaming my system? And things
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that probably didn't bother people bother people now. But the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: ideas of food really haven't changed in terms of you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: modern medicine. It's like, no, just eat healthy and if
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you have any sort of blood pressure issues or cholesterol,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: just you don't have fat, that's bad, you know, and
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: it maybe go vegan and I don't know it. It's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: just it's this old, old kind of adage about you know, like, oh,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: fats are too high, lower your dietary fat. It's just crazy,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you know. So I do get very you know, soapboxy
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: about how we can use nutrition to help deal with
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: whatevery information is going on. And if the information is
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: effect in the brain, then of course we're get anxiety, depression,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: obsessive thinking, that kind of stuff.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have often said that if you are let's
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: just take the stereotypical American or Australian right who doesn't
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: move very much at all, has shit, harsh sleep hygiene,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and has anywhere between in the States sixty to seventy
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: percent of their diet is from ultra processed shit, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: we're not far behind here in Australia, right those three
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: things eating a shit diet, not moving, and having purse
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: sleep hygiene. I've say, you're playing Russian Roulette with your
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: mental health, that is what you're doing. And how can
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you expect like that this system, this ecosystem, is going
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to function normally, not even well, is going to function
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: normally if you are actively undermining the ecosystem, like it's crazy.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely crazy. I mean, it's I always kind of
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: joke like, hey, you know, if you want to say
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: yourself a little money and you want to see an end,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: just take care of your diet first and your sleep first,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: because they're going to tell you that first anyway, because
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: it's the foundation of everything. Because even if there's other
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: really severe things going on like insomnia and all that
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff, you know, there might be quote unquote
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: supplements that help address that. They will not interact well
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: with you if you are not eating well. You know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: if your prostaglanda level is so high, your inflammation is
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: so high, how you your body interprets what you just
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: expose itself to in terms of like a nutrient will
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: be different, and that's why epigeneta is the way it is.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: So if you're if your stress is down, you eat well.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: A lot of those risk factors we see with ebjects
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: don't exist, We just don't. But all of a sudden,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: those inflammatory markers can suddenly flip themselves on, which is
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: not exactly accurate, but for simplicity, they flip themselves on,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, everything feels different. Everything does.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: So it's and I totally understand. I struggle with it too,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: trying to eat healthy. It's very difficult.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Because, especially especially in the modern world, right, and so hard.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: And I think I need to qualify my last statement
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: about playing Russian Roulette with your mental health. I say
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that completely without judgment. Right, I'm not pointing at people going,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: you fucking decad, you're playing Russian Roulette with your mental health.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: You're being an horsehole. It's like, if that is you,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and let's just just just look at it there and
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: you are playing russroom relet.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not judging you, but that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Is just the way it is, right because of the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: way that our bodies and Brillan's work and the fact
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: that the brain is not epart from the body, and.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: No one's you know, Noah's perfect. And obviously when we're
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: not in good places, it's harder to motivate ourselves to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: do what we know our higher self wants us to do.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: But we live in such a chemical based culture now.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: It's like I don't like that smell, I'll get a
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: plug in. And I don't like the temperature. I can
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: use free on, you know, like I don't like the food,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: but I can get food that stimulates my dopamine more.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Even I was talking about cinema the other day because
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with nineties movies, especially like you know, the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: older ones, like the romantic comedies, anything with like Sandra
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Bullock and Susan Sarandon, Kevin Coff. I love a lot
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: of stuff, And I was thinking about those movies and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: how they are very slow and very subtle, and how
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: movies now there they're so hyper directed towards stimulating your
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: nerve transfer. So if you want to get your cours
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: all up, you can see like any thriller you want,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and it's not just seeing like a love story out
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: it's like the most drippy over the top like oohy
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: gouey loves or that you're gonna cry your eyes out,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: your oxygen is gonna be off the turit. So it's
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: almost like you're just sort of satisfying as like these
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: chemical cravings anywhere you look, because like how do I modivate?
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: How Like we want to modify how we feel every
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: second of the day, every second. You know, That's why
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: joom scrolling is a thing and everything else, and it's
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: like how do you scape it? You know, like we
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: all have to make a living and work and live
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: in society. Like what are we supposed to do?
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: That was a tangent there, Yeah, well well no, I
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: mean it is we live in It's often said we
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: live in an obesogenic environment, right, it is set up
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: to drive obesi But I think it's deeper than that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: We live in a chronic disease augenic environment, both physical
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: and mental, because like you said, there's that dopamine hits
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: everywhere around us, but also you know, there's shit that
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: happens to be hyper palatable and super yummy, and when
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: you eat it, it releases more dopamine than we're supposed
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to get from food.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: That makes you eat more that.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: You know, our work environments are set up now for
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: being completely sedentary, so you have to try a shit
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: load harder than somebody did thirty fifty years ago.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: That that's the key.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Thing, absolutely, and it's it's no wonder the ADHD diagnose.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: These rates are skyrocketing. Everyone is in this dopamine fatigue
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: state where we're bombarded the second way we wake up,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the second modest sleep, and of course how can any
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: of us really pay attention to things we want to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: pay attention to, because that's to me, really what ADHD
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: is the inability to really focus on what you want
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to focus on. And there's obviously more to it than that,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: like you know, time blindness and anxiety and you know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: managing too many thoughts at once without you know, this's
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: all the stuff. But more people are coming in and
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: we're seeing it statistically too. That ADHD diagnosis is left
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and right right right, it's wild because like people really
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: do want to feel better. And I've noticed when I
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: like post on Instagram, the stuff that I post that
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: makes people the most upset is when I criticize stimulant
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: stimular prescriptions for children, you know, because you can prescribe
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: them for kids as young as six, you know, and be.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Clear, it is legalized.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Speed absolutely, And people joke they say, oh, it's g
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: rated coke. It's not. It's actually methathotamine. It's closer to
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: methatheta means it is to cocaine. So it's funny because
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I understand the desire because I've we've all felt that
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: anxiety of like I just want to go away, I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: just want to feel normal. So and I don't want
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to take that away from anybody, but I have a
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: lot of criticism of give math to children. You know
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that I do believe is criminal, And I'm like, no, no,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: we got it. Really else, that's not a good idea.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Let's talk about your approach.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: So what sort of assessments and testing do you do
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: on people whenever they come in to try and guide
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the root cause or the problem.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So a lot of people come in that are already
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: doing the diet. You know, I already don't eat sugar already.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: You know, they've already got a set of labs that
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: look normal, which is very common and frustrating because people
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: are like I was really hoping there'd be something so
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that I knew it to work on. So for me,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I actually love by residents and I use that with
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: most of my people, and so by resonance is a
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: type of frequency scanning or energy medicine, if you will.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: And essentially it's so it's a device is created by
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I forget his first name, but doctor something oh, I
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: think back in Germany. But it's it's on the framework
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: of homeopathy and acupuncture. So the idea of using different
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: like a grid system in the body like acupuncture, and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: then different energy signatures from homeopathic, which is a huge
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: material medica. So combining that with a true gating those
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: frequencies to what we see in the body, we can
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: kind of get an understanding of, okay, what's actually happening
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: on a deeper level than just you know, labs on
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: their own. So I'll I use that a lot. People
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: will send me their DNA and then it basically the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: it kind of operates sort of like a it's like
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: an O meter. So O meters basically detect the power
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of something, how much power is there, So it's an
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: OH meter, So it's working on detecting the power or
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the resonance of different frequencies that it's finding in the
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: DNA and from there it can give that information back
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to me in a qualitative manner, meaning that I can't say, oh,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I want to know how much a softworm's person has.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Can't do that. It's more like a radio where you're
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: scanning different body systems, you know, like, oh, I got
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: deliver station and lung station, and whichever station is the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: most stad that you can't hear. That's what we got
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to treat first, because that's making the most noise. So
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: it's not a common for me to people come in
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: and they'll say, hey, I've got this one issue, but
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: then I run them and we see something else going
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: on and we treat that and find that that actually
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: helps resolve what they came in for, even though it
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: seemed unrelated at the time. So I love that I
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: used that quite a bit, and that's actually I got
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: better too.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: That was what my I've never heard of that.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing a guy Geese years ago who had
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: it was a nach party heard this machine from Germany
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and I can't it was so long ago. It must
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: have been nearly twenty years ago, and it was something
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: to do. It was some new machine at the time.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's similar. I don't know it's
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the same owner or similar. But I just remember going,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: how the hell does this stuff work? I just don't.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I don't understand it, right, so does so You said
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: it's from their DNA, So did do you get it?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Do you get a spit sample as that genetic sample
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: from it? Or what's that? Imput?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: You can actually use saliva, you'ine blood, hair or fingernails.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I ought for hair and fingernails just for sanitary reasons
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: on my end. So it's looking at probably what I mean.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: It's it's so interesting, like because there's so much we
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: don't know about DNA, you know, like we don't we
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: kind of dismiss it like it was junk DNA. No, no,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: There's so much hard DNA that is junk DNN, and
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: it's I know, I.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Love whether junk DNA, and you know your appendix is
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: a useless sort. I can't know. So it's like if
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: we don't understand it, we call it something junk or stupid.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah, essentially that's what it's doing, is it's sending
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand different electronic frequencies through the sample,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: kind of looking for residents or dish resonance, and then
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: once it finds it information, it sends it back to
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: a computer and then I can see what's going on
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: in a more comprehensive way.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: So from that that gives you a bit of a
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: guidance on what to trait and hard to treat.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Does it correct, Yeah, so it will tell me, you know,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: what's going on physically, where emotions might be stored in
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the body, what's coming up, or what might feel like.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Some of these people come in very commonly and they'll say,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I got like this chest pain, and I can't tell
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: if I should be terrified and go to the hospital,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: and or I can't tell if it's just anxiety. I
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: don't know, and so sometimes there's a lot of confusion
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: about what kind of pain we're feeling and if it's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: more emotional or if it's something physical. So this can
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: help kind of decipher some of that a little bit.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's one in the sane. But once we know
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: what's going on, then we can decide, oh, hey, we
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: want to do some further testing to get a deeper
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: look at this, or maybe we can start treatment right away.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: In terms of all right, let's try different nutraceuticals and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: peptides and things to see if we can help get
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the body back in balance.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about peptides, right, very interesting space, much
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: more much easier to use in the United States than
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: it is here. Like O, it's so ridiculously difficult to
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: get access to peptides here, whereas I know in the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: States it's just way more open. Right. What of peptides
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: do you tend to? Is there some that you use
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: more frequently than others? And just sort of talk our
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: listeners through what some of these peptides can actually do.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: So, peptides in a nutshell are hormones, but they're very
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: specific hormones. So hormones function based on how long their
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: amino acid sequence chain is. So for example, insulin is
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a very short chain, it's a peptide, so just peptidusse
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: tiny protein, whereas TSH hormones very long chain, very complex hormone.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: So we do see more global effects from that. Same
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: with T three. So insulin, because it's so small, has
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a very tiny role, so it just sort of controls
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: our blood sugar balance. It's really mostly it. It's mostly it.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: So we like peptides because they can get pretty targeted
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: into like what we want them specifically to do, which
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: is really nice. So more of the the older ones
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: had more to do with means to stem regulation and
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: repair regeneration, and a lot of that was connected because
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: they would affect the vasculature and prove blood flow to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the soft tissue, help support the thymus gland, things like that.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: One of the older ones and what's considered I think
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: it still is an orphan drug in the US is
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: alpha thymous and alpha one, and that's because it's being
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: used in research alongside HIV medications because antiviral as well
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: as im ando supportive. So use that a lot with
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: different drugs we see if it's more effective. So for me,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: there's so many and more than come out all the time,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and so because of that, there's very little research on them.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, many of them are very
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: safe because they are basically hormones we already make.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I've heard of things like BPC one five seven, which
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: is supposed to do amazing shit for injury, anti inflammatory,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: these sorts of things, and then some of the growth
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: hormone analogus like samoral and testimorial and those sorts of
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: things would these be things that you would use as
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: well in your yes.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I mean I even had a guy. It was years ago,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: but I had a guy who, you know, he got
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: off psychments and he was doing pretty well, but he
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: was still struggling with sort of this. He was, I
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: remember it, sweating a lot, really anxious, trouble sleeping, a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: ton of self blame, really poor confidence, really prone to
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: sensitivity and panic and stuff like that. So when we
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: did his bow residence, I could see that he had
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: actually very little growth hormone and we ran some laps too.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: IGF one was pretty low, and so I was like, okay,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: you need to get the growth hormone up, which we
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: can do naturally in some ways like Sana will bump
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: it up a little bit. It's a long time, but
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: it will. And the thing is girl hormone. It's very
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: active at night, so it helps us sleep. It's regenerative.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: So we ended up doing I want to say, he
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: was c JC twelve ninety five with ipomarillon, and the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: cool thing about that for him was that's what resolved
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the panic. So even though it's not a mental health petside,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: it treated the what was going on underneath and then
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: for him, I was, Okay, now you've got this sort
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of you've done a round of it. We need to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: maintain those effects. You've got to learn stress tolerance, you've
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: got to stick with somemit, you've got to keep working out,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: you know, things like that to keep it going. And
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: that's where a lot of people, especially with like the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: different you know, pep bins that are coming out now,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: they want to maintain the results, not beyond the peptide forever,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: because that's the whole point they're signaling molecules are not
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: meant for long term use.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Not really right, Okay, interesting, So tell me the process.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: So you come to somebody you realize this peptide will help.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Do you then write them a script that they take
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: to compounding pharmacists to get the peptide.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: How does the process work over there?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: That was the process until the FDA said that compounding
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: pharmacies can no longer compound them anymore, because that's just
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: what they did.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: So yeah, right, because part of the FDA have hurt
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the block on quite a few peptides. I think BPP
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: one five seven might be one of them, so that
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: they're kind of coming going that one you can't use
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: anymore that one you can do anymore. So what's the
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: process then if you if you want to prescribe a peptide.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: So now what's happened is and a lot of it
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: is the language. So it was it wasn't that we
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: couldn't buy or sell them or prescribe them. It was
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: compounders could not compound them. So labs popped up everywhere.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: So we have all these peptide labs that have popped
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: up that are like, we're making it, we're making it,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: we're making it. So they don't combine them with water.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: They leave mostly they don't. They typically leave it as
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: just a preconstituted powder. They will not give you dosing information.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: It's the ideas that they're giving you a chemical versus
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: a medication. Right, Oh, it's up to you and your
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: provider to sort of figure out like which one would
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: be good, and then people can self order and then
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: they can you know, start as self administering at home.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: Really, what was that?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: What do they not need a script from a licensed
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: practitioner like yourself? Are so in the sty it's I
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: could just go to one of these places and I
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: could get myself testamorial in our memoral in are really.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: There's maybe not testamoral. And there's a few peptides that
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe it depends. I got to look. Actually
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I don't do that one too much. But some of
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: the semi glue tides, you know.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: Are Yeah, the regulation is little weird on some of them,
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: you know, Right, Okay, So there's certain teptides that are
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: harder to find, but most people order online from American.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And I believe there's no gray markets and black markets, right,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and that you can buy stuff that's labeled for research
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: purposes only.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's it's m right.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Wow, JESU, that's interesting over there. Right, let's talk.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: About amino acids. I had either lady.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: On here, she's a pharmacist to specialize in amino acids,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and it kind of blew my mind. And she does
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of amino acid testing. So talk to us
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: about the importance of it and whether you know, to
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: some testing and balancing and if people's amino acids are
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: out of whack, what can go on? Just give people
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: that kind of three minute overview on all things amino
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: acid gives the crash course the crash coss.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: So I love amino acids. They're your precursors and your
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: building blocks to making your neurotransmitters aka you're happy chemicals.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And so we normally get these from the proteins we eat,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and not like your protein turns into them, but like
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you eat something, your body breaks it down and then
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: those little broken pieces, the amino acids, they get funneled
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: into different sites and then your body will kind of
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: make based on quantity. So that's why you can't just
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: take a protein powder and be like, this will boost
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: my serotonin, because it won't. You have to specifically target
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the aminos to hyperdrive that pathway. So sometimes it can
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: be confusing, Like sometimes people say, oh, I have OCD.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I know that's because I love serotonin. I'm sad and
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I'm depressed, and that's a serotonin thing that may not
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: be true. I've had a few people that had OCD,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: but then when we tested them, we found that their
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: serratone levels were perfectly fine, actually sometimes even high, which
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: can present a social phobia in some people, and they
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: actually really needed dopamine to regulate that, and so for
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: them higher and dopeing for some people if you don't
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: need it will make you very anxious. So some I
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: find it's a little tough to go on to symptoms
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: of what you think is probably low. Sometimes it's better
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: to actually do some serum testing and see, okay, what
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: are what's where are they low? And for me, if
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: something's low in a test, it doesn't always mean you
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: just have to give them that. The questions will why
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: and the ratios are very important, you know. And then
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: so I usually use that test alongside other blood work
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: so I can get a sense of like, oh, hey,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: all these amino acids are they haven't being made in
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the kidney. How does your kidney off look? And then
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: we can kind of get a send for the money.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Are you low for a reason or or what you
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: know in terms of that, and is it if there's
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: any patterns. So that's when it's to me the most helpful.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: So you're the body detective, because it isn't just a
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: matter of walking these things up. I mean we know
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: this from people with Parkinson's. L dopa is a pretty
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: effective medication at reducing their tremors and things like that.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: But quite a few people on al dopa then develop
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: addictive behaviors, They develop addictive personalities. They all of a
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: sudden out of nowhere, start gambling or taking drugs, and
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: it's because of too much dopamine.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, and so that's a great example of
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: where you know, someone might come in and they'll say
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I have Parkinson's and I'll say, actually, it's parkinsonism until
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: we can confirm it's Parkinson's disease, because parkinsonism is not
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: just with Parkinson's disease, and for many people it's actually
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: pesticide and solvent overexposure and the nerves are basically toxic.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: So if we can it's just like when you ever,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: like you know, poison a rat, it starts to shake around.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: It's very similar, very similar. So if we can detox,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: if that's what it is, so then maybe the parkinsanism
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: will go away. So that it's a good It's a
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: great example of how we have to it's some part
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: to always look at the why and not just take
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: it at face value of like, oh it's genetic, that's
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the worst. Like oh it's genetic, don't worry about genetics.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: That's a right off term. Like we have control and
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: power to do something. Genetics is just a risk. It's
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: just risk identification.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: That's it. Genetics loads the gun, environment pulls the trigger. Yeah,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: it's that. It's that complicated interaction, isn't it. Let's come
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: back to the mental health issue, and let's talk about
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: de prescribing, right, So this is obviously a very sensitive issues.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: What are some of the common misconceptions that you see
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: about deprescribing or tearpering off SSRIs or any of any
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: type of medication that people might be on.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I would say maybe one of them is that a bridge. Oh,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: here's a bit one. So the z drugs, like the
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: sleep medications like Ambient, their tatent as being less addictive
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: than the benzos. I don't see that being the case.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Another one would be the bridgements are less addictive, like gabapentin.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I have some people that see me specifically to get
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: off gabapentin. For many people they are less addictive, but
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: not for everybody. I would also say a big misconception
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: would be that segments will cure a mental health condition.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Segments do not cure any mental health condition. They put
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a pause on it. They will num you out to
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: it for a while, but there's no evidence that they
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: cure any psychetric or get a condition.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. So let's with your average patient. Is is
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: there a go to Like you said that some people
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: come in and they're doing a lot, but do you
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: do your comprehensive screen when people come in bite all
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: of their diet, their stress, their sleep, their movement, those
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: sorts of things like is that how you start to
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: build up the picture and then get more of that
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: picture or or that informs the testing or is there
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: a blanket testing that you do for everybody regardless of
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: what they're presenting.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Was the first one. So I mean, well, bio residents,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I can pretty much do with everybody. But for most
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: people it's the what you first mentioned about getting a
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: really comprehensive screen and an idea of what's going on.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: And that could be challenging because for a lot of
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: people that are trying to taper their second vacation or
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: having trouble, it's not uncommon for them to have disrupted sleep.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: So the question is is that sleep because you're tapering
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: or did you always have that and it's worse now
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: because something inflammatory got triggered and now you're undernowing conditions
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: popping out or so trying to figure out, you know,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: if we need to be you know, looking around for
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: other things at the same time, or if we do
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: need to, or some other labs to get a sense,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: because everybody's Bobby compensates for metal cations in a different
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: way because like for example, with SSRIs, they are blocking
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: the reuptake of serotonin in the synapse, which means that
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: these receptor sites are kind of like, hey, we're hungry. Hello,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and the brain does it go Wow, what a great idea.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: The brain goes, oh, those aren't working good, Let's make
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: more receptor sites. And that's what we call tolerance, where
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I need more, this isn't working enough.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: So now we have a lot of novel hungry, very
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: sensitive receptor sites that are going to be very potentially
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: reactive to more serotonin, which can be excitatory, not just
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: in hiptory. So for a lot of people we do
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: see these kind of weird reactions that happen, and that
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: could happen for somebody else and maybe not a problem
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: for somebody else. They might their stress might go somewhere
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: somewhere else, so maybe it's more like, oh, it's a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: thiroy that's taken a hit with that that kind of thing.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: And then we got to be careful because sometimes maybe
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: we want to help alleviate a thiory condition, but they're tapering,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: that might make their taper worse.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, interesting.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: We have to be really careful about how we manage
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: everything at once.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine it gets a very complicated picture, right,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and then quickly there is there is no medication. I
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: mean there's a lot of there's a lot of life
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: saving medications that are out there across the spectrum for
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: for everything, but there's not one single medication that doesn't
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: have a side effect. Right. That's what people need to
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: understand is if you change biology, you can't just very
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: targeted change one little bit of biology, because we are
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: a complex ecosystem.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, the second generation I mean the
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: first two, but the second generation antipsychotics, they have fewer
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: extra pyramidal symptoms, but they are more known to cause
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: diabetes and metabot dysfunction. So what's really interesting to me
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: is that I just think it's like, if if a
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: drug does something really really well, like this regular blood sugar,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: we should call the drug that thing, versus we call
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: it the side effects. But it's not the side of it.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: It's actually the main effects. So but we're kind of
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: under this idea like no, no, like, But like I was
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: saying at the beginning, if it's very common it gets
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: sexual dysfunction with an SSRI, and it's not as common
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: for help with depression, then actually the relief of depression
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: to me is the side effect of the drug.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so sorry we are running
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: out of Actually one other questions I did want to
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: ask you.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: So, given that you tend.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: To take a holistic view with your patients, and I'm
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: sure you walk the talk, how do you deal with it? Right?
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: So I'll preface this with with with myself. So when
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: I'm talking to people or I see people who I
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: know who have some sort of mood issues and I
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: know that their diet shit, I know they don't exercise,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I know they don't manage their stress. Well, i know
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: they've got to fucking team in their room and I'm
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: mobile phone in the room, and often I'll just bite
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: my lip and not say anything unless I'm invited to
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: ask how do you deal with that when you see
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: people around you doing things that you know you're fucking
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: yourself up here?
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Because it's different, it's different when it's people you know
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: in love, like you go to medical school because you're like,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I'm asa save my family, and then you quickly learn
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: that you're like, nope, they're gonna do what they want
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and that's that and that's it's hard, and you know,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: so you kind of For me, I kind of got
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to this level of like, Okay, there's acceptance and loving,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: detachment and help when ask and all that stuff.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: And my boyfriendon't mind me saying this, but my first
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: met him, he was drinking soda every single day and
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I said, look, I don't
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: want to go on judge, I love you, but this
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: is not a swarch for me to say this. A
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: soda is just as bad for your liver as a
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: cocktail like it. And when you heard that, he's like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: and then he sent me a video of him dumping
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: out his soda in the sink and he's like, I'll stop,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and I was like, thank you. Like it's like my
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: whole life, you know, it's just everything I do is
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: just health related, you know, and obviously not perfect. I
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: have all my vices and things I still do too,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: but oh man, and that's I guess the hard part
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: of any relationship is like you don't want to like
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  Speaker 1: see their mess but ignore yours, you know. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why I'm trying to learn a little bit about that
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  Speaker 1: because he'll be like, I'm gonna cheat this if we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have this treat, and I'm like, for sure, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So it's hard. It's hard, and I swear it's like
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  Speaker 1: it's it's very rare. I don't know why, but like
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  Speaker 1: it's very rare for my male patients to bring in
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  Speaker 1: their girlfriends or wives. It's very common for my female
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: patients to bring in their husbands or boyfriends. Interesting, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know, because they're like, can you please you know,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get I get where this is going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah okay, So where can people fight? So you do
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  Speaker 2: you do telehealth? Right, so presumably people from who don't
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  Speaker 2: live in Las Vegas can can actually access your stuff?
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  Speaker 2: So where can people find out more about what you
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  Speaker 2: do and maybe a veal of your services and then
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  Speaker 2: you know, give us all the social media stuff where
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  Speaker 2: people can actually go and find out a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: So people can find me through my website, doctor Juliabrits
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  Speaker 1: dot com They can also find me on Instagram at
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  Speaker 1: doctor Julia Britz nd is my handle. Those are my
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  Speaker 1: two most successible places, and I have email that you
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  Speaker 1: can find through that as well. But I also do
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  Speaker 1: q and as on Instagram once in a while people
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  Speaker 1: those kind of questions, and I have a couple of
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  Speaker 1: videos I've posted on my website about bio residents. Just
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  Speaker 1: account if you want to geek out more, you know,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: more about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll Actually I'm going to go and have a
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: look at this because it signs quite intriguing.
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  Speaker 5: Juliat, that's been awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for your time and for sharing your knowledge.
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  Speaker 5: With people, and have a great day evening.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Thanks ver much.
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  Speaker 5: It's been a lass Cope.