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How Do We Hold Space for Ourselves? · Life In Flow Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the Life in Flow podcast.
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  The three of us,
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  Yulia,
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  Polina,
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  and Irina,
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  are exploring what Life in Flow and Flow in Life is.
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  Join us as we experiment,
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  test our diverse hypotheses,
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  and have fun in the process.
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  SPEAKER_02: Will we find an answer?
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  SPEAKER_02: This isn't just an intellectual discussion.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're co-creating a shared field beyond words.
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  We're attuning to what emerges moment by moment so that the
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  conversation itself
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  SPEAKER_02: becomes a group flow experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we invite you to become an active participant in this experiment.
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  SPEAKER_02: There will be pauses and moments of silence.
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  SPEAKER_02: We leave them on purpose because this is where magic happens.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go beyond the intellectual information.
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  SPEAKER_02: Listen with your whole body.
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  SPEAKER_02: and notice how your somatic experience shifts in the process.
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  Share with us what reveals itself in the space where mind,
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  body,
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  and energy flow together.
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  Greetings,
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  everyone,
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  and welcome to another episode of the Life & Flow podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm Yulia, facilitating this episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: Irina and Polina are here with me.
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  Very looking forward to today's conversation as we are going to
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  introduce some
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  SPEAKER_02: extra playful moments and conditions.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the topic today is how do we hold space for ourselves?
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  SPEAKER_02: This is a topic that's been on my mind for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: But when it came to me facilitating episodes,
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  SPEAKER_02: something kind of like more relevant or more urgent emerged.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now is the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I added how do we hold space for ourselves?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because this is the context that I am bringing to today's episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to explain to you the context.
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  SPEAKER_02: So now as we're recording this, it's the darkest time of the year.
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  And in the darkest time pulls all of us into what can be
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  called,
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  described as cocooning,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like a desire to be more quiet,
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  SPEAKER_02: to be alone more often perhaps for some of them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so for me this year,
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  SPEAKER_02: this desire,
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  SPEAKER_02: this push to be in my cave,
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  SPEAKER_02: to be alone has been really strong,
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  SPEAKER_02: like really strong.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I used to experience darkness more like a time, a depressive time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And because it felt depressive,
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  SPEAKER_02: because of all the pools to go inward,
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  SPEAKER_02: I used to try to entertain myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then it changed last year.
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  And this year,
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  I'm really clear for myself that actually I don't want to
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  entertain myself.
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  What I want to do is just be there so no one is around me,
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  no one is talking to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And
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  oh that is challenging because i have a family um also i have
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  some people around
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  like a friend who is visiting and it's been challenging to
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  explaining why am i
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  SPEAKER_02: acting what most people would call asocial and
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  SPEAKER_02: I tried and people just don't understand.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I've been using this time to practice holding space for myself,
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  SPEAKER_02: which was not easy at all because of the physical space,
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  SPEAKER_02: because I have not really consciously done it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of questions emerge like, oh, is this even selfish?
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  SPEAKER_02: Am I like being a bitch?
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  SPEAKER_02: A lot of questions,
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  very interesting that I didn't really even connect to holding
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  space or holding
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  SPEAKER_02: space for myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that's my context.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well,
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  SPEAKER_02: that said,
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  SPEAKER_02: we know also that in some of our episodes,
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  SPEAKER_02: we come with our context,
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  SPEAKER_02: but it turns out that the conversation goes in different directions.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I want to bring this context,
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  but also see who can stay open and really welcome any other
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  directions that might
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  SPEAKER_02: emerge.
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  SPEAKER_02: And before we continue into group flow,
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  I also wanted to say something for our listeners or actually
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  people who might watch
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  SPEAKER_02: this recording on YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_02: And today we're going to do an experiment.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're going to be having this conversation with blocked vision.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that means we're going to wear something on our eyes.
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  And this experiment is inspired by something where another
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  experiment that I was part of.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we'll see how it goes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you're watching us,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's going to look weird,
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  SPEAKER_02: but maybe it's going to also look interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we will start with a game.
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  SPEAKER_02: But before, let us put on our masks or scarves.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  Actually,
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  I will do it after I do the introduction to this game,
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  but you girls stay like this.
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  So the game is we're going to be creating a witchy preparation
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  in the cauldron.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're going to do a brew.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to do a brew for...
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  the space that we hold for ourselves with different ingredients
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  that as always it
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  can be just anything and i'm just gonna read out the spell and
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  then i'm gonna join
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  you in covering my eyes and the spell sounds like this by
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  shared intention
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  SPEAKER_02: We set this vessel.
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  SPEAKER_02: By breath and voice it wakes.
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  SPEAKER_02: What is carried is received.
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  SPEAKER_02: What is offered is forever changed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Holding space for ourselves is brood.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now for each of you,
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  SPEAKER_02: I suggest that you put ingredients and we'll go a couple of circles.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like I feed this cauldron with and so we go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do we define order or we go as it comes?
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  SPEAKER_02: If you are up to start.
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  i feed this cauldron with tenderness i feed this cauldron with
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  sacredness i feed
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  SPEAKER_02: this cauldron with spring flowers
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  i feed this cauldron with vastness i feed this cauldron with
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  honor i feed this
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  SPEAKER_02: cauldron with mountain air
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  I feed this cauldron with the sound of the sea waves I feed
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  this cauldron with the
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  SPEAKER_02: sounds of birds flying above the beach I feed this cauldron with love
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  I feed this cauldron with the infinity of the universe I feed
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  this cauldron with
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  SPEAKER_02: some sea salt pink sea salt and jasmine I feed this cauldron with an
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  all powerful darkness I feed this cauldron with the whisper of
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  stars I feed this
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  SPEAKER_01: cauldron with the silkiest plushiest pillows
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  i feed this cauldron with my gentlest touch ever okay so our
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  cauldron now is brewing and
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  SPEAKER_02: space holding ourselves is in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  And I want to actually continue playing a little more and
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  invite you into story
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  SPEAKER_02: sharing and just something short that comes to mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the word for stories is a mountain.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't have to be related to holding space, but it might.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we also did a little bit of movement embodying mountain before,
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  SPEAKER_02: so maybe some of that can seep into
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  SPEAKER_02: stories, like some central elements, but not necessarily.
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  SPEAKER_02: And whoever feels like starting is welcome to start.
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  There is a classical,
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  well,
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  I think I was taught that it is classical,
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  Buddhist meditation.
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  And I was taught that it is classical because this is the
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  meditation that they
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  SPEAKER_02: taught me at one of my teaching courses to be a meditation instructor.
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  So the meditation has to do with embodying the sense of being a
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  mountain.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it actually has to do with... What's the word for this?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not tenderness.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like the self-compassion, compassion.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's like one of the ingredients.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's for helping one to feel self-compassion.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I actually do like using this exercise
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  in the moments when i feel very agitated and when i really need
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  this sense of
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  SPEAKER_00: holding and stability and
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  SPEAKER_00: Being powerful.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is what this meditation, this exercise transmits to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Having this ground and being unmovable.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nothing can harm me because I'm eternal, I'm old, I'm
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  high and but the unmovable is the like the most um precise word
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  for me how how i
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  SPEAKER_00: feel when i like connect with this embodiment of the mountain
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  What I'm hearing is by immovable and by what you described is
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  that as if the
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  SPEAKER_02: mountain creates this space,
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  SPEAKER_02: like protective,
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  SPEAKER_02: sacred space that makes it possible to be vulnerable and also to share,
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  SPEAKER_02: to show
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  like those emotions or those feelings for ourselves that are
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  sometimes not easily
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  SPEAKER_02: accessible.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is curious because I wouldn't say that it helps to create space
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  it helps to hold the space because the feeling it arises and it
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  grows inside of me
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  SPEAKER_02: and it doesn't create space it creates this sensation that
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  i'm not actually vulnerable so when being vulnerable feels too
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  much it gives more
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  SPEAKER_02: the sense of protection but not from protection like from outside
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  SPEAKER_02: but it's like, it's, it shraffens my core.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had two things that are coming up.
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  SPEAKER_02: While Ira was describing her mountain experience,
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  SPEAKER_02: I kept feeling this like somatic sensation of when you really touch,
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  like as if I put my body on one of the protruding structures of
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  the mountain.
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  SPEAKER_02: You could really feel this cold sensation emanating from the mountain.
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  SPEAKER_02: For me, right now, it's the cold sensation that's coming up.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know sometimes you can
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  experience a different temperature but for me it's this cold
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  and it's actually also
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  wet for some reason and it feels very I don't know it awakens
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  something in me that
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  SPEAKER_02: that cold and wet
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  it it it reminds me of something in my cells in my molecules i
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  don't know what it
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  reminds me of but there is some sort of transference and some
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  sort of recognition
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  And also when I stand on top of a mountain and I can see
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  everything that is below
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  SPEAKER_02: and beyond,
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  it gives me a sensation of being the closest to being a bird
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  and seeing the larger,
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  SPEAKER_02: bigger perspective of this earth.
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  and of us and it helps me to hold space from a larger art kind
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  of bird's eye view
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  SPEAKER_02: perspective as I survey
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  Yeah,
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  it kind of helps to invigorate the observer self and shifts the
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  perception of reality.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: it sounds like kind of,
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  SPEAKER_02: Pauline,
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  what you were describing to me sounds a little bit like the
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  mountain shares the
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  SPEAKER_02: consciousness with you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, somehow there is entanglement that gives you
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  the view,
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  maybe some of the power,
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  I don't know,
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  it's that's how it sounded to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's like,
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  SPEAKER_02: um,
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  SPEAKER_02: when I touch the cold,
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  SPEAKER_02: wet mountain,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's a sense of recognition,
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  SPEAKER_02: which I've never actually consciously verbalized until now.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then also, that bird's eye view,
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  SPEAKER_02: It is sort of an emanation of the mountain in some way,
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  SPEAKER_02: shape and form,
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  SPEAKER_02: although I don't quite yet know how.
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  To me,
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  I just recently had some mountain experiences in Greece and we
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  were in a volcanic
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  island and so we i went to a cave a really really huge deep
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  cave there was some
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  water there in the bottom and it took serious kind of climbing
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  well not really
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  SPEAKER_02: serious but it did take effort
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  SPEAKER_02: to climb down and then climb up.
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  SPEAKER_02: There was also a rope to help people.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, oh my God, this was, I guess, quite scary even coming down.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just the sense of the immense power of this mountain.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then kind of you going into its mouth.
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  And then you're allowed to stay in the mouth or the body and to
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  connect in some way
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  SPEAKER_02: to the power,
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  SPEAKER_02: to the wisdom,
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  SPEAKER_02: to the,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: like whatever,
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how many
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  But I think it's at least 5000 years the volcano first erupted
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  and created that place.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the water was there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And
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  Then we were also bathing in this hot springs also directly
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  from the volcano that
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  SPEAKER_02: is still active.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that exposure,
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  SPEAKER_02: now that I'm thinking about it,
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  SPEAKER_02: and now that I have heard you share,
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  SPEAKER_02: actually things feel just so different.
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  SPEAKER_02: There is such a shift of perspective
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  SPEAKER_02: in everything, like for everything that I've been going through.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, who cares, huh?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, you just hold your space.
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  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, look at that mountain.
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  SPEAKER_02: Remember that feel of the cave and of the ancient water.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it sounds like you're describing...
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  like being anchors that's what came up for me as you were
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  describing it like we're
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  all just anchors and we hold space because we we anchor
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  something and it's bigger
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  SPEAKER_02: than what we can understand individually
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  yeah and when i guess you get lost and so help helps to connect
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  those big powerful
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  anchors like mountains some experience even imagining probably
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  mountain when you
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  SPEAKER_02: took us into the mouth of the cave and towards the water
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  I actually saw a snake drinking from the water with its tongue
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  and moving on that lava.
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  earth in its like slithering but also so earthy and the scales
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  are kind of like the
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  mountain cold and wet and like of the earth yeah i was gonna
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  ask uh can the snake
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  SPEAKER_02: be in any way related to
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  SPEAKER_02: you remembering or connecting to this wetness and cold.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the, the, the way I experienced it's, it's body.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  Definitely connects to the wetness and the cold of the mountain
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  that I initially
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  SPEAKER_02: was experiencing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: How interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for taking us to your lava springs.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I sat in that sacred water with you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was very special.
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  SPEAKER_02: So let's move further.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we've come to a question, to a real question.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the question is very simple.
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  SPEAKER_02: What is holding space about?
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  SPEAKER_02: Can't be literal.
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  SPEAKER_02: For me, it's literally holding space.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you don't see what I'm doing with my hands.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can you tell us, Irv?
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  SPEAKER_00: When I came across this concept the first time,
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  SPEAKER_00: it happened actually at one of my coaching trainings.
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  I did a training on...
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  It's called organizational and relational systemic coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: and it's all about how systems function and because many of the
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  techniques or exercises many things what they're teaching there
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  so it could be
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  applied to to the system as an internal system or to couples
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  relationships between
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  two people but mostly it's about coaching like teams or groups
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  of people as systems
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  SPEAKER_00: and because there are a lot of elements involved
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  The approach is usually using several coaches doing the walk
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  and one may be like
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  SPEAKER_00: facilitating the exercise,
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  SPEAKER_00: working with people and the other
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  at the same time would be holding space and I couldn't
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  understand it like at first
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  it seemed to me that it was like you just stand there and do
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  nothing and what's the
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  SPEAKER_02: point but when I found myself in the position of the coach
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  whose role was to hold space and all what I was doing is just
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  to be present and pay
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  attention to what was going on in the field of the system that
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  was being coached.
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  SPEAKER_02: I became amazed at what I felt just like the
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  SPEAKER_00: What would be the correct word?
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  SPEAKER_00: The amount of energy,
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  SPEAKER_00: the quantity of energy,
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  like the volume of energy that was moving through me as I was
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  just standing there
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  SPEAKER_02: was immense.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh, what is going on?
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I realized, like, and afterwards I also participated.
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  There used to be time when I participated quite a lot in family
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  constellations.
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  and there also I had this experience more than once of having a
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  role when I was
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  just had to be there and hold space for the whole system for
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  everything what is
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  going on what was going on in the constellation and like
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  energetically like what I
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  SPEAKER_02: felt in the body
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  SPEAKER_02: It was so surprising for me and so powerful that since then I realized,
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  SPEAKER_02: well,
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  SPEAKER_02: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's not just like you stand there and you be there.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like you are there.
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  You are just physically holding everything what is going on
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  with your presence,
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  SPEAKER_02: your attention,
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  SPEAKER_02: your energy.
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  it is is it is it like you being a container is it like you
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  being yeah a resource
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  SPEAKER_02: no it's not the resource a container yes so it's like the embodied
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  The embodiment of this experience would be for me really like
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  opening up your arms
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  SPEAKER_02: and holding space physically with your body.
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  You mean you would,
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  some of the people would be holding hands physically and
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  holding the space?
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  SPEAKER_02: This is what,
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  SPEAKER_02: like,
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  SPEAKER_02: when I was in that role,
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  SPEAKER_02: very often what,
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  SPEAKER_02: like,
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  SPEAKER_02: my body felt that what I needed to do,
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  SPEAKER_02: like,
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  SPEAKER_02: I literally physically was holding space of everything,
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: what is going on.
• 35:05
  did it require from you or did it ask for like a special
• 35:11
  posture for something
• 35:13
  physical from you the holding space well you're like it was not
• 35:20
  uh the like
• 35:24
  technical task yeah it's like i did not receive the instruction
• 35:28
  of be in this pose
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: in this posture this is what my body assumed
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: And because this is what felt natural again,
• 35:38
  like the felt sense of the experience required me of opening up
• 35:44
  my arms and
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: literally holding space.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, I meant the experience.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: What did the experience ask from you?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I didn't mean that.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's super cool.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: I like that you brought up this other aspect of holding space.
• 36:07
  It's a different dimension than I think what we've touched upon
• 36:12
  in the past episodes.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I also have some interesting experiences with holding space from that
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: perspective,
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: what you described,
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_02: Jira.
• 36:28
  One is I spent a year in Brazil at this healing place where
• 36:36
  people that came for
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: healing would sit in what they called in current.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: And they would literally be sitting and make their energy available for,
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: I guess,
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: the greater good of all the healing that was happening,
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: even
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: If it wasn't them being worked on directly by the medium,
• 36:59
  we were all sitting in currents so that our bioenergy or
• 37:03
  whatever energy he was
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: using would be available for some of the surgeries that he was doing.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: But also we would receive certain...
• 37:14
  aspects of the healing being in the current ourselves and
• 37:19
  physically did require
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: literally sitting in the chair,
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: sort of a little bit in a Buddha position,
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: palms up to let the energy flow,
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: within throughout between all of us.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: And
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: More recently,
• 37:40
  I was asked by a practitioner that has a group of women to come
• 37:48
  in and be one of
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: the three space holders.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: And it was really cool because...
• 37:55
  She could feel the energy shift with us being there because our
• 37:58
  attention,
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: of course,
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: was on holding that energetic space.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: We were still participating,
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: but one of our kind of energetic cues was to hold that energetic space,
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: the container for both her,
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: the facilitator,
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: but also the women participating.
• 38:17
  You know,
• 38:18
  it really was kind of proof of concept of where attention goes,
• 38:22
  energy flows.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: It was a very potent experience.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: And the facilitator really saw how the women in that container shifted,
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: women that she's had for a while in her practice,
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: how they've shifted with just us being there,
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: present,
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: holding space,
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: having that intention.
• 38:48
  yeah so i don't know if that answers the questions specifically
• 38:55
  but but that's
• 38:56
  what's coming up for me and how did it feel for you were there
• 39:01
  like any markers or
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: did the experience what did the experience want from you well
• 39:14
  One of the things that the experience wanted from me was to
• 39:18
  really hold space for
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: the facilitator.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: And now that I'm talking about it,
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: it was very akin to that,
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: current that I used to hold in Brazil.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of that kind of an experience.
• 39:35
  You're really making your energy available for the best and
• 39:38
  highest level.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: for this person leading the group, but also the larger group.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so there is a flow of energy.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I would have to, of course, be making sure that I'm very grounded.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know, my grounding cord is on.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: My feet are connected to all the layers in the earth.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, my...
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: Higher self is being received from the top down.
• 40:17
  And actually almost putting that on a little bit of a run cycle
• 40:25
  so that I could
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: still also participate in the class.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:35
  So I did quite a bit about what received some training
• 40:44
  experience with breath
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: holding for the first time during my breath work training.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: And it was quite an interesting experience for
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: And for all of us,
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: the people who were there,
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: because for our coach and mentor,
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: we were one of the first groups.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: And with breathwork,
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: each of us,
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: and we are as a group,
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: we're going through really intense times because...
• 41:25
  yeah i mean we we're practicing sometimes breath work that
• 41:29
  would send you really
• 41:31
  far into altered states and bring about things that you know we
• 41:39
  don't even want to
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: remember and um for a lot of us
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: the first impulse was to be kind of like there for the other in a way.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, let me help you.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: Let me take some of your pain.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 42:02
  this sort of thing that is probably still the common way to
• 42:09
  respond to someone
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: going through hard times.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, let me help you or, you know,
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: Just let me take some of your pain.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Let me, you know, solve this problem for you.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: It was such a cool experience that we were going through.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, you know, how about you?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: You find your center.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: And by finding your center,
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: this is the,
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: like great help and support for the person going through a challenge.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: and for the whole group.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: we did this for several years and some of the experience,
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: um,
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: or mind blowing,
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_02: holding as a group space for some people going through really hard stuff.
• 43:06
  Um,
• 43:06
  but I'll finish just with this tiny story,
• 43:10
  personal story about my daughter.
• 43:13
  And I think maybe I shared it here,
• 43:14
  uh,
• 43:15
  as she was going into an urgent surgery.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: a couple years ago because she broke her arm.
• 43:23
  And I was there in the hospital with her and just in front of
• 43:28
  her before they took
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: her away into the operation,
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: a doctor said,
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: well,
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: because this is she didn't prepare for this.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: the risks are high that something might happen regarding like the food,
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: because she ate a couple hours before,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: and anesthesia and things like that.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: And she's saying it in front of her.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, like, what, what do you do there?
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: She was, I think, 10, maybe back then.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm very grown up woman, but going crazy because she's my child.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: And then somehow,
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what guided me,
• 44:16
  but I took her feet and I just were holding her feet and I was
• 44:22
  holding myself and
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: through the feet I was kind of passing it on to her.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: This was such an experience.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: And for her as well,
• 44:33
  she still remembers it and she still asks me for like foot
• 44:38
  massage when she goes
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_02: through hard times.
• 44:44
  oh i love that you will you you that the whole holding center
• 44:51
  right your own center
• 44:53
  um is is it serves like um like a template to remind the other
• 45:01
  in the space to also
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: find their their center right so that they're
• 45:08
  they're referencing themselves and not referencing another or
• 45:13
  the situation,
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: whatever is external,
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 45:15
  So this referencing of self,
• 45:18
  I think is critical for being able to truly hold space.
• 45:23
  But also it's so beautiful that you had that guidance to hold
• 45:29
  your daughter's feet
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: and really hold space for her,
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: not just energetically,
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: but also,
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: through the physical body.
• 45:37
  how healing that must have been how generative how like I could
• 45:41
  literally I felt I
• 45:43
  felt when you took her feet how you became part of you know the
• 45:49
  same system and and
• 45:50
  therefore she had an extension of her system to be able to you
• 45:55
  know potentially
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: process or let go of some things and since
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: Since you're the more dominant energy source in that equation,
• 46:07
  it must have been very helpful for her to be able to work
• 46:13
  through or out of the
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: system.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_02: It just feels almost like an engine type of thing, like a bioengine.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's really cool.
• 46:26
  Yeah,
• 46:26
  this is probably one of my strongest experiences by how deep it
• 46:38
  penetrated me in life.
• 46:42
  And it's such a good example of how powerful it is when you
• 46:45
  know someone is in the
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: field with you,
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: but really consciously,
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: Really intentionally, they're there for you.
• 46:53
  They're referencing themselves in their core,
• 46:56
  but they're also there for you.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: So not just energetically,
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: but like on that human biological level,
• 47:02
  how comforting to the system and all your parts to know
• 47:06
  someone's in this room with
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: you,
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: for you,
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: holding space.
• 47:11
  referencing themselves to help you reference yourself even
• 47:15
  deeper,
• 47:15
  even more.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I guess, I mean, I didn't ever try to describe holding space.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: And the beauty of it is that you are I like this,
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: that you're providing referencing and maybe kind of like a
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: Not a blueprint, but something like that.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of like maybe pointing from your core to their core.
• 47:50
  I don't know how it happens,
• 47:52
  but it definitely does make such a difference.
• 47:56
  And I think you don't need any training to sense when people
• 48:05
  hold space for you.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 48:09
  because I think that it's when someone's in their space and
• 48:14
  they're generating
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_02: energy and that field from really referencing themselves,
• 48:21
  it feels very different than if someone is leaking right
• 48:23
  through their field or
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: trying to get into your field or trying to connect.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: in a way that's not clean,
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_02: not like you're in your own bubble,
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: you're self-referencing,
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: and you're just making yourself available energetically,
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_02: but you still are boundaried,
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: You're still boundaried.
• 48:46
  You're still holding space for like the highest frequency
• 48:51
  possible in the equation.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you have to be boundaried, yeah.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry,
• 49:14
  I just wanted to say when you were describing your experience
• 49:19
  with physically
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: holding space,
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: I really felt this,
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: it was like this sudden...
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_02: increase in bioenergy in my field and I like became hot.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: You literally transmuted,
• 49:35
  like transmitted something and I was really feeling it in the
• 49:39
  system and I feel
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: very activated now,
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: like in a good way.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: Just wanted to share that.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, go ahead, Ir.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: but this is exactly,
• 49:50
  it has to do with what I wanted to add related to the you have
• 49:56
  to be boundaries
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: In my experience that I described,
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: my felt sense was that exactly my boundaries expanded,
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: that I was the whole system.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_02: I was the container for it.
• 50:27
  So does it mean that you had to take in everything that was
• 50:33
  going on between the people?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Not quite, because I was bigger than any specific element of the system.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: I was holding the container.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I was bigger, but not necessarily involved.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: So I was not inside.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's super cool.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: So actually what you're saying is,
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: and I was literally feeling it as you were describing it,
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: is that boundaries are not singular.
• 51:20
  You could have an energetic expansion to hold an entire field
• 51:25
  and yet still be
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: boundaried in terms of things not entering your specific system.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_02: So it sounds like actually we're capable of multi-layered boundaries.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_02: Is that what you're describing, Ir?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: I think, like, in general, it's right what you're saying.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, we are capable of having multilayered boundaries.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: But...
• 52:08
  that is not exactly what i meant in my description of that
• 52:14
  experience of holding
• 52:15
  space what i meant is that my boundaries changed and because i
• 52:31
  was bigger than
• 52:36
  any specific element of the system what was going on with each
• 52:44
  of those elements
• 52:45
  did not affect me because like i was the mountain oh my gosh so
• 52:50
  do you mean bigger
• 52:51
  like in terms of higher on the frequency scale because that's
• 52:55
  how i know like no
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: it's not about the frequency it's really about the physical volume
• 53:03
  like i experienced my boundaries like just imagine that the
• 53:10
  process is it's the
• 53:12
  whole and there are let's say 20 people there so and they're
• 53:17
  doing something so
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_02: like i was my boundaries was filling the whole room
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like I was just big.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: You mean your felt sense was capable of feeling the entire.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's what you mean.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: OK, yeah, that's cool.
• 53:45
  The consciousness of your of your energetic sensory molecules
• 53:53
  was able to expand
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_02: into the whole space.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: Something like that.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, Yul, you were going to say something?
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: No, I was just going to ask one more question.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_02: With the analogy of,
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_02: let's say,
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_02: container,
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: let's say a ball,
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_02: and you are a ball holding the experience of these people,
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_02: but at the same time,
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_02: you,
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: the
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_02: the ball also has these boundaries intact.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_02: Would that be what you are referring to or not really?
• 54:37
  Something like,
• 54:39
  yeah,
• 54:40
  if I am the ball,
• 54:41
  the experience of the system is inside the ball.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I am the container itself.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, something like that.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: But you're still boundaried within the container, right?
• 54:57
  I think it would be inaccurate to say that I ceased to exist,
• 55:17
  that I was only the container.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not that advanced, of course.
• 55:26
  I'm just trying to figure out what happened with my own
• 55:31
  personal boundaries.
• 55:33
  Because,
• 55:34
  like,
• 55:34
  the way how we experienced it...
• 55:46
  So we can also...
• 55:47
  It's like...
• 55:47
  Yeah,
• 55:48
  okay.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: Probably...
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like, have you seen how they blow glass?
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_02: Probably in my childhood.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_02: So,
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: you have this small piece of glass,
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_02: which is very hot,
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: and they begin to blow it,
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: and it expands.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 56:19
  so there may be in this like big glass bubble that it keeps
• 56:26
  expanding there is
• 56:31
  probably still like some bleep like some particles of this
• 56:39
  glass that would be my
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_02: personality my ego like my personal boundaries
• 56:47
  But for the sake and for the time of the experience,
• 56:52
  I became the glass bubble.
• 56:55
  But there's still the person blowing through the tube into the
• 56:59
  glass bubble.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_02: Were you not still?
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I don't think that I was that person.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_02: It was a journey.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: We even blew some glass together.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_02: Space holding modalities.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, girls.
• 57:25
  So now I do want to steer us towards holding space for
• 57:30
  ourselves because to me,
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_02: at least it does make a difference.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_02: a big one, holding space for others versus holding space for ourselves.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm wondering what is,
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_02: assuming there is also a difference for you,
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_02: how does it feel holding space for yourself compared for others?
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_02: What comes up?
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_02: I have to say that for me,
• 58:05
  the holding space for yourself was only a theoretical concept
• 58:10
  until I went through
• 58:11
  my internal family systems training and really fully met all of
• 58:17
  the different parts
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: and really started seeing things from that perspective.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then really got more in touch with the self, right?
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_02: The self that is like the main...
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: main kind of operator of, of the different parts within the system.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_02: And when I started,
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: when I built a relationship between those parts and,
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_02: and me as the self and,
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  SPEAKER_02: um,
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  SPEAKER_02: had more of an integration,
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  SPEAKER_02: uh,
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  SPEAKER_02: around it in that way,
• 58:53
  that's when I really truly started embodying what it means to
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  experientially,
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  SPEAKER_02: like truly hold space for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_02: in terms of, you know, your internal system.
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  And feeling like I have more of a backbone,
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  there's more,
• 59:13
  the referencing changed internally.
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  And so things became more clarified and more online and more
• 59:23
  like interconnected,
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  but within.
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  SPEAKER_02: And also...
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: so that's like another aspect of that holding space piece,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is separate from,
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_02: of course,
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  the energetic activation that I do on a daily basis in terms of
• 59:44
  making sure I'm
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_02: really rooted and that my higher...
• 59:48
  uh self you know from above is is really i'm open to that
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  channel and those two
• 59:54
  channels meet and then it really to instruct my field
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  energetically um that i'm
• 1:00:00
  referencing myself and and i'm also i have you know a
• 1:00:05
  protective barrier through
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: which only best and highest can enter my own personal space and field
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: And it's something that I have to remind myself sometimes,
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_02: throughout the day,
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_02: just to come back to me,
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_02: reference myself.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_02: And really,
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_02: that has changed the way I interact with both myself,
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_02: but also externally,
• 1:00:31
  either with the environment or the elements or other humans or
• 1:00:37
  even animals and
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_02: birds.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_02: Pauline,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm wondering,
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_02: when you talked about having to know all your parts,
• 1:00:56
  is holding space related or is it a requirement to know
• 1:01:02
  yourself to some extent?
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_02: What's your view on that?
• 1:01:09
  or to what extent,
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  because you mentioned that you really had to,
• 1:01:15
  yeah,
• 1:01:15
  get to know.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's a really cool question.
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  SPEAKER_02: I haven't,
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  SPEAKER_02: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: I personally,
• 1:01:22
  and this is just my working theory as we experiment with all
• 1:01:27
  these things,
• 1:01:28
  my working theory at this point in time in my own consciousness
• 1:01:31
  and development is,
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_02: I believe,
• 1:01:35
  that unless you do have some kind of working knowledge of who
• 1:01:41
  this self is,
• 1:01:42
  it would be really hard to truly hold that internal reference
• 1:01:48
  point and that space
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_02: internally.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because what are you holding space for?
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 1:01:55
  I guess maybe some people that are more well-versed in just the
• 1:02:02
  energetic part of
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_02: the systems,
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: They could still wield energy,
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_02: even if maybe they don't necessarily know who they are to some extent.
• 1:02:16
  But I'm not sure that you could wield that energy from the
• 1:02:19
  right kind of center
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_02: point,
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_02: that it'll be really from a coherent space if you don't have that energy.
• 1:02:29
  experiential sense of like who you are at least to some extent
• 1:02:34
  i think i think in
• 1:02:36
  order to have the right axis in this space and time you would
• 1:02:41
  need that lived
• 1:02:44
  knowledge wisdom and experience in order to wield the energies
• 1:02:49
  in the i think in
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_02: the best ways possible
• 1:02:52
  But I'm wondering then,
• 1:02:54
  compared to holding space for other people,
• 1:02:57
  we don't need to know them.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes we don't need to know them at all.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_02: You need to know yourself still.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because the whole point of really well-held space is...
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_02: is when,
• 1:03:15
  when the people in that space or whoever's holding the space
• 1:03:18
  really has clarity
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_02: within and is,
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: is referencing themselves and not bleeding out.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_02: So it's,
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_02: it's,
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_02: it's providing the energetics for like that energetic container,
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_02: but still very well referenced and very well,
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_02: well held internally.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise,
• 1:03:42
  there's a lot of bleeding into other people and others bleeding
• 1:03:47
  into yourself,
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_02: which automatically changes the coherence of the energetics.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, from my perspective.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_02: And so now what I'm hearing is
• 1:04:03
  and maybe like going to our episode on being well which we
• 1:04:10
  didn't conclude really
• 1:04:11
  with anything but um kind of like the core of us so we need to
• 1:04:19
  have some access to
• 1:04:22
  who we are to hold space for others and even more so to hold
• 1:04:29
  space for ourselves is
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_02: it
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_02: What I'm hearing, is it?
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I would certainly say that.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_02: And this is not just theoretical knowledge.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_02: for me,
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_02: so the clients that I work with,
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_02: my coaching practice,
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_02: the ones that truly...
• 1:04:49
  start rapidly shifting their reality and what they're able to
• 1:04:53
  manifest and bring
• 1:04:54
  into their world only starts happening when they really start
• 1:04:59
  interacting with
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_02: their internal system and really learning.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_02: to like knowing their parts and knowing that their parts are also,
• 1:05:12
  there's also that aspect that is self and having more of an
• 1:05:16
  actual relationship
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_02: internally because it gives them that autonomy
• 1:05:21
  beyond the social structures and social conditioning that we've
• 1:05:24
  talked about in
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_02: other episodes,
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_02: to start literally referencing themselves,
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_02: like permission to reference yourself,
• 1:05:32
  which starts building up this internal energy that they just
• 1:05:35
  didn't have access to
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_02: before because it was all about externals.
• 1:05:41
  And that's when things really become more accessible in terms
• 1:05:44
  of all the things
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_02: that we want to experience.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_02: And same for me.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's been my experience, too.
• 1:05:56
  The more I became integrated and well-versed in and really
• 1:06:01
  having my own back,
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_02: the more my energetics have shifted.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_02: And you've been witness to this, Yul, right?
• 1:06:08
  The way I've been able to rapidly start expanding into other
• 1:06:14
  sort of energetic domains.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:06:18
  once that integration and that internal self-referencing really
• 1:06:22
  became very,
• 1:06:23
  very solid.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, makes sense.
• 1:06:53
  i think um my how to call it the way how i would describe my
• 1:07:08
  experience of holding
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: space for myself on one hand is
• 1:07:22
  related to what paulina was describing although i have never
• 1:07:26
  worked with ifs per se
• 1:07:29
  but my inner work has always i don't know if it's correct to
• 1:07:40
  use the word always
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_02: but mostly uh have all have
• 1:07:50
  involved somehow working with or recognizing the emergence of
• 1:08:03
  different parts
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: within my inner system and
• 1:08:12
  So this is what the holding space for myself is about,
• 1:08:20
  how I see it and experience it.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_02: Just again,
• 1:08:24
  going back to my previous description of that experience of
• 1:08:31
  holding space for
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_02: others,
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_00: it's about creating the space and the container
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: within which any part,
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_02: any experience that emerges could unfold itself,
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_02: could be recognized and feel welcomed and sustained.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_00: It is about, again,
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_00: becoming bigger than just one particular experience,
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: just one part of me that experiences this or that.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_02: And when this part of me that holds space for myself becomes bigger,
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_02: then it creates the possibility for sustaining pain,
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_02: darkness,
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_02: any difficult or uncomfortable experience that I need to live through.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: So, Eri, you're saying it's
• 1:10:07
  I like one part that is tasked with or volunteers to hold the
• 1:10:16
  other parts.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, probably we could call it a part.
• 1:10:27
  It's not,
• 1:10:29
  I don't like the board tasks or volunteer because it's really
• 1:10:35
  not about individuality.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_00: In this case, it's like
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's not personality per se.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_00: It is just an energetical container.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's the... I myself allow myself, I create this space
• 1:11:22
  within which it is possible for me to sustain the experience
• 1:11:28
  actually multiple
• 1:11:29
  experiences because it's all about the possibility of emergence
• 1:11:38
  of several
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_02: experiences at the same time like a
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_02: metamorphizing cocoon.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like a multi-reference.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, Paulina, can you repeat it?
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: It made me think of,
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_02: as you were describing,
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_02: I was following you energetically,
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_02: and it feels like it's,
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_02: I guess the ability to actually multi-reference at the same time.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_02: And still, you would have to have a...
• 1:12:21
  I feel like you would need to have a strong sense of that core
• 1:12:26
  reference point in
• 1:12:27
  order to be able to then kind of multi-reference multiple
• 1:12:32
  things at the same time.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_02: So that's really cool.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_02: like a strong connection to your center is important,
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_02: but it's also about,
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_00: like regarding the word cocoon,
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yul,
• 1:12:50
  I'm not sure that it resonates with me because at least the way
• 1:12:59
  how I work with it
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_02: and how I experience it,
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_00: very often it has to do with this becoming bigger.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_00: It has to do also with openness.
• 1:13:17
  becoming as big as the universe for example so but yeah it
• 1:13:24
  might be a cocoon of the
• 1:13:26
  size of the universe why not okay like sometimes also depending
• 1:13:33
  on the experience
• 1:13:34
  sometimes it might be cocoon there are certain i meant
• 1:13:40
  conceptually yeah but i
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_02: understand what you're saying yeah yeah
• 1:13:55
  I guess what for me had to happen to be able to hold space for
• 1:14:01
  myself was learning
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_02: to hold space and also to be held actually by non-human nature.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_02: um i think i read a piece on relationships recently where you know like a
• 1:14:35
  relationship is where you know like two entities come as whole
• 1:14:44
  right like they're
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_02: not looking for any
• 1:14:48
  to benefit from each other in any well I mean maybe to benefit
• 1:14:53
  there are some
• 1:14:53
  benefits but it's like not to get a part to make themselves
• 1:15:00
  whole because they're
• 1:15:00
  already whole and I think probably it speaks probably into what
• 1:15:06
  you're saying
• 1:15:07
  knowing your parts like or really knowing yourself to the core
• 1:15:12
  maybe it's that and
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think that I
• 1:15:17
  The experience that modeled it for me is being in the forest
• 1:15:27
  and feeling so totally
• 1:15:31
  whole and accepted and in a relationship with other beings that
• 1:15:42
  also were totally
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_02: whole.
• 1:15:46
  somehow for me this is how this concept became not only a
• 1:15:54
  concept but something
• 1:15:56
  that i could do and still i think when i hold space for myself
• 1:16:08
  actually what i
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_02: reference is not only
• 1:16:16
  myself and my center but actually those spaces non-human spaces
• 1:16:24
  that were held for
• 1:16:25
  me somehow there is something about them that is really um like
• 1:16:33
  like that feeling
• 1:16:35
  of a mountain it that you describe maybe i get there from those
• 1:16:43
  references
• 1:16:48
  And I guess it's what helps me or what has helped me this time
• 1:16:56
  not to go down the
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_02: route of,
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_02: oh,
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_02: come on,
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_02: what are you doing?
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Why are you being so selfish?
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_02: What is it?
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like, can't you do this or can't you do this?
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I could...
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_02: But I also now have access to
• 1:17:20
  holding space so i i don't really have to i can like hold on to
• 1:17:26
  my experience and
• 1:17:26
  also hold my experience um and yeah like not go down the my
• 1:17:36
  usual routes where i
• 1:17:38
  was like ah okay let me see what other people need from me and
• 1:17:43
  i also do need
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_02: something but of course what they need is more important yeah
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like the,
• 1:17:52
  that nature serves as kind of an anchor point to remind you of
• 1:18:00
  the referencing that
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_02: you can do internally.
• 1:18:05
  And it's cool because I haven't thought about the elements that
• 1:18:08
  like how we also
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_02: reference the elements,
• 1:18:10
  but actually that it's a very different type of reference point
• 1:18:14
  than referencing
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_02: yourself against other humans or using other humans.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_02: Unless.
• 1:18:23
  You reference another human in order to remind yourself of what
• 1:18:28
  you're holding
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_02: space for internally,
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_02: and that's also you.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_02: Marlene, can I ask you what exactly you mean by referencing?
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking the same.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I thought that we were on the same page around this, but no?
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_01: So the way we render depends on how we reference, what we reference.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_02: May I ask you for an example?
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 1:19:14
  you're asking me to describe something that's like a felt
• 1:19:16
  energetic experience that
• 1:19:18
  I don't really necessarily have words for and have not fully
• 1:19:27
  unlocked the full code
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_02: of it yet,
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_02: but okay,
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'll try.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_02: For example...
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: We've talked about this before, actually.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_01: So if I'm referencing myself,
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_02: my being,
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_02: as being,
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_02: for example,
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_02: my mom and my brother and my family and my culture,
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_02: right,
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_02: and my country,
• 1:19:52
  then I have external kind of points that I am energetically
• 1:20:00
  using for data to come
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_02: into my field and...
• 1:20:07
  uh,
• 1:20:07
  instruct my field to render in a way that matches those
• 1:20:13
  external reference points.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_02: And for me personally,
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_02: the most breakthrough moment,
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_02: as both of you know,
• 1:20:26
  has happened when I went into a break with almost all of my
• 1:20:33
  family members and I
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_02: went through the IFS experience and
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_02: I really,
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_02: truly started referencing myself from me without any,
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_02: well,
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_02: I can't say any,
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_02: but without the,
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:20:52
  what I was used to in terms of referencing those external data
• 1:20:56
  points in order to
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_02: render myself.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_02: I really started rendering myself from myself.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_02: who I actually am, and I'm still finding it out.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_02: So when I say you really know yourself,
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't mean in like the analytical sense of like,
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_02: oh,
• 1:21:14
  I really truly know that A plus B is equal to C or whatever the
• 1:21:18
  equation is.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I have a felt sense of myself.
• 1:21:23
  I have more access to like who I actually am as I render myself
• 1:21:29
  from my internal perspective
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Reference point,
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_02: which,
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_02: by the way,
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_02: of course,
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_02: cannot happen without the reference point of,
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_02: OK,
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_02: I am human.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_02: I am on Earth.
• 1:21:39
  There are four elements there,
• 1:21:42
  you know,
• 1:21:42
  so there's still going to be that that.
• 1:21:48
  communal or what's the word,
• 1:21:50
  the collective consciousness in terms of reference points.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's still there.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_02: But if when I was able to stop referencing myself again,
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_02: from the perspective of I am Polina,
• 1:22:04
  who is the daughter of this woman and the sister of this person
• 1:22:10
  and whatever else.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I just came back to myself and I
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_02: got access to who I am internally with all of my different parts.
• 1:22:22
  That's when I truly started having like more of this access
• 1:22:26
  point to be able to
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_02: hold space for me without leaking out,
• 1:22:33
  which was what was happening when I was rendering also based on
• 1:22:38
  like my specific
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_02: family members.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Does that explain it better?
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 1:22:45
  Yeah,
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  so it's kind of like you have,
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  you're actually accessing another field.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I guess all of us by default, we're
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  connected to our family field and the behaviors and you know
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  whatever that's a
• 1:23:09
  bunch of stuff that is part of the field and you're saying that
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  you're able to
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  access other fields that are less like um less patterned with
• 1:23:26
  the all the family
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  SPEAKER_02: stuff
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  yeah exactly it's kind of what era was describing in her um
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  experience of holding
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  space in the way that um i still know right like there of
• 1:23:42
  course there's still data
• 1:23:44
  of me being from these people and from that country and blah
• 1:23:47
  blah blah i still know
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  SPEAKER_02: that that's there in the field in terms of data but
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  I'm holding space for myself as a unique individual with my own
• 1:23:59
  internal reference
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  points for me without having those external reference points
• 1:24:06
  now informing who I
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_02: am.
• 1:24:08
  I just know that that's in the field,
• 1:24:11
  that data,
• 1:24:11
  but it no longer informs how I render who I am.
• 1:24:16
  yeah yeah yeah i got it thanks brilliant okay girls i'm um
• 1:24:23
  actually checking the
• 1:24:24
  time and we're um by the end of our conversation so i'm just
• 1:24:33
  gonna probably i feel
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_02: like
• 1:24:38
  keeping my eye mask off maybe for the remaining couple of
• 1:24:45
  minutes it's interesting
• 1:24:49
  yes feel free if you feel like it or you know it just feels
• 1:24:53
  like it's gonna be nice
• 1:24:56
  to see each other but it was a very curious experience very
• 1:25:05
  cool yeah it was very
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_02: cool
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Very cool.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_02: I loved it.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_02: I very much enjoyed it.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_02: I loved it.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_02: and one of the things that happens that Elson noticed today,
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_02: but also yesterday,
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_02: last night,
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  SPEAKER_02: you kind of lose track of time in such a good sense.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_02: It just feels so flowy, the time itself.
• 1:25:38
  And I really did feel the energetics of us a lot more clearly
• 1:25:45
  and more immediately.
• 1:25:51
  And I felt that I had more energy to actually shape what was
• 1:26:01
  coming up for me.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_02: So some of the
• 1:26:07
  energy maybe that i usually like now i'm already starting to
• 1:26:12
  look at myself and
• 1:26:13
  look at you so i guess even like the focus is already feels
• 1:26:20
  different yeah the
• 1:26:21
  focus was different definitely it really becomes diffused if
• 1:26:27
  the visuals are also
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_02: there and we're like actually looking at ourselves and each other
• 1:26:33
  um yeah that was cool yeah so wow that was um quite a fun ride
• 1:26:40
  thank you very much
• 1:26:42
  for playing along and thank you for bringing this to us and let
• 1:26:48
  me just um ask you
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_02: uh what you are living with after our conversation
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_01: I want to have more episodes of us being in the dark from the dark.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_03: The darkness is contagious.
• 1:27:15
  I actually really think that this topic is core to everything
• 1:27:22
  else we talk about.
• 1:27:25
  holding space for ourselves and what are you referencing and
• 1:27:29
  how are you rendering
• 1:27:30
  and that I think is the most important thing to explore and
• 1:27:38
  address and I think
• 1:27:41
  everything else comes from there it's like the wellspring it is
• 1:27:47
  super important
• 1:27:48
  especially when you're going through transformation and the
• 1:27:51
  tricky part is that
• 1:27:54
  there are unknowns it as you said right they're like emerging
• 1:27:59
  experiences it's like
• 1:28:01
  you know you have no clue what's gonna emerge and whether it's
• 1:28:07
  something that you
• 1:28:07
  expect or you're gonna like or not and then the question is
• 1:28:14
  like you know a lot of
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_02: impulses regarding holding space for that
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not an easy undertaking.
• 1:28:34
  I think what I'm living with is just before we took off the
• 1:28:41
  masks or the scuffs and
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_00: opened our eyes,
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking that I was literally feeling myself
• 1:28:51
  exactly as the container and i felt you inside of me and you
• 1:28:58
  and the conversation
• 1:29:00
  and like the energies that for immersion and interacting it was
• 1:29:05
  like it was a very
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_02: curious experience yeah yeah i was finding myself
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_02: Also, just very much enjoying also some silences that emerged.
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_02: And one of them, one of the silences, oh, my God, it just felt so good.
• 1:29:31
  SPEAKER_02: My whole face softened and smiled.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_02: And it's easier to hold the silence with eyes closed because...
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_02: you don't have this additional pressure from visual data.
• 1:29:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because when we look at each other,
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_02: we are more entangled into all the social dance and social interactions.
• 1:30:00
  So you have the possibility to focus more just only on the
• 1:30:06
  energy and feeling to be
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_02: is it emerging or not?
• 1:30:13
  Yulia looks absolutely radiant yes this is wonderful and also
• 1:30:21
  very rejuvenating
• 1:30:23
  it's like so cool to have your eyes closed and then the
• 1:30:27
  darkness it just frees so
• 1:30:31
  much space and energy it really does it really felt free in so
• 1:30:36
  many ways for sure
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_01: yeah so weird
• 1:30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Cause I love seeing the two of you and I love being on camera and,
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_02: and meaning like fully,
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_02: fully like both my voice and all the elements.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_01: And yet this was,
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 1:30:55
  and I noticed this before because when I participate in things
• 1:30:59
  that are audio only,
• 1:31:00
  it really is a very different experience than when the visuals
• 1:31:05
  are also present.
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, and thank you to everyone who listened.
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you, Yula, for being our fearless experimentation leader.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you want something out of the box,
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_01: we all can,
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_02: but to a certain degree,
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yula is really cool when it comes to that,
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_02: and I appreciate it.
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it just so happened.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think I got passed this on by this other experiment that I mentioned.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm really grateful for that and for this space.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it was regarding holding space and holding space for myself.
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_02: There's actually a lot I still need to kind of
• 1:32:04
  process i was so in the moment i like it's hard for me even to
• 1:32:11
  oh let's make these
• 1:32:12
  and um um those conclusions but one thing that actually i'm
• 1:32:17
  very happy that we
• 1:32:19
  touched on um actually the huge difference between holding
• 1:32:24
  space for self and
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_02: holding space for others um
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_02: that I didn't think about in some ways that you girls mentioned.
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_02: It was a really good distinction because for a lot of us,
• 1:32:42
  it might be so much easier to and we may be more used to
• 1:32:46
  holding space for others
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_02: than ourselves.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like we are the last thing we think about in terms of
• 1:32:53
  holding space um and yet if you break it down the way we we
• 1:32:57
  kind of did today you
• 1:32:58
  you could see that if if you're not able to hold space for
• 1:33:01
  yourself how good is the
• 1:33:02
  quality of you holding space for someone else really truly yeah
• 1:33:09
  so i'm gonna keep
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_02: practicing thank you and have a wonderful day thank you thank you
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