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Hyrox Birmingham Debrief | MindSets Podcast | Episode 68 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode that reminds the
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  broadcast we're on tour again. We are slightly less impressive
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  than the last one with the swimming pool at Yorker.
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  We're in an Ibis in Birmingham International Airport.
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  We're here because it's a high rocked weekend, very on brand.
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  I've actually just pulled Charles off the racecourse.
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  How are you doing? I'm still like in the the post
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  race come down, I think a little bit, yeah.
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  So if you see me excessively drinking my water, if you're
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  watching on YouTube, that that's the reason why.
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  But now I'm I'm very happy with how it went and happy to be in
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  the Ibis. Yeah, I mean, we don't have a
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  water sponsor, but this is a great opportunity for water
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  sponsors to see, you know, how you could be helpful for us.
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  Charles actually did really well.
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  He's actually done the the pro athlete thing twice in 24 hours.
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  Yeah, too hard race in 24 hours. Too much?
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  Probably. Probably, but I was about to say
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  at least you've got the cool wristbands to show break.
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  I've got the cool wristbands to show, break those on.
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  They're already gone. I've got more, more Nick.
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  In fact, that was someone's grown my gear.
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  Yeah. Well, actually, I remember that.
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  Have your gears ground by that? Now there's been other news
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  before we get into your races in the world.
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  I have noted this down because I I struggle with names sometimes.
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  Ruth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I know what. You're going to say.
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  She's just been given a three-year ban from marathon
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  running. Do you know what it was that she
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  got caught with that broke the anti doping?
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  No. I was going to say if you knew
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  it would be with me. Yeah, yeah.
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  It's hydrochlorothiazide. Hydrochlorothiazide.
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  What's that do? Make you fast.
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  Right. I thought so.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that might be.
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  But yeah, three-year ban, which I always find it really
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  difficult with sports bans because it's like, that's really
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  tough because that's three years of their life gone and sometimes
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  they don't even know they've done it.
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  It can be given to them by their coach in those scenarios.
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  But also, is 3 years enough for the impact of it?
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  And it's training to read. When it is your career, though,
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  and you hear a lot of professional athletes talking
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  about it, you're so particular with what you take into your
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  body. So it's like you're not going to
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  ingest something that someone's just randomly given you because
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  of the risk. And everyone knows the risk, so
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  it's unfortunate. And then maybe she didn't know
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  what she was taking, but you can't have one rule for one
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  person and one rule for another. I found something quite
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  interesting the other day. I was reading, I don't know if
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  you want to call it Twitter or XI was reading something on
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  Twitter and X that referenced a study that had been done with
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  fitness and how quickly you lose your fitness.
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  Really interesting. Don't know if you've seen it.
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  No, I haven't. They took runners, specifically
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  people that had experience running marathons but weren't
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  necessarily like elite marathon runners, and they were runners
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  that had run or had done some level of fitness for every day
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  of the year in the year prior in order to build up a level of
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  fitness. And then they let some of them
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  continue of 89 days, don't know why 89 but 89 days specifically
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  they stopped to select group of people training.
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  It was. It could have been the same
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  vein. And their fitness dropped by
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  less than 10% over that time, which I mean, you'd think if you
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  took three months off, it would be more, it would be more.
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  But what was more interesting is how quickly they gained that 10%
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  back was within, I think less than half of the time they were
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  offers rest. It's everything, isn't it?
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  And then there's also the sport science side of it talking
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  about, well, they also probably progressed really quickly
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  because they had the rest. But yeah, really interesting.
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  So then you look at the ban and it's like, well, she doesn't
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  actually lose fitness for the first part of that year really.
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  And she's still training. Well, that's still training,
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  that's the thing. And then do you drop off the
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  radar for testing? Yeah.
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  So it's like for those three years, could you just be cycling
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  more stuff so that when you when you get back?
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  But I I don't know what the testing rules are or the
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  regulations are when you've been banned, but you'd assume that
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  they're going to return to a competition and as a result they
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  should still be randomly tested. And never thought about tactical
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  ban. Tactical ban is for a year.
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  Juice up, come back. Yeah, but the implications of
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  that within like your sport and you just become a villain and
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  then everyone's, you'll always have an asterisk beside your
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  name with any result that you ever have because will be like,
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  oh, if they doped one time, then even if they're not on it now,
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  have they had some benefits from it previously or whatever I got.
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  It's hard. You'd rather just be established
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  is pretty good at what you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Another, Yeah, another news piece that's come out talking,
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  being caught. NBA stars.
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  I want to know if you know any of these people.
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  Oh, no. Chauncey Billups.
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  No. Terry Rosier and Damon Jones.
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  No. They are in.
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  They are three NBA stars. Yeah.
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  In a list of 30 people that have been taken down for illegal
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  gambling and sports betting really like.
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  Fixing game wise. Yeah, fixing gamers and yeah,
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  insider knowledge and that sort of thing.
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  Best thing on trade? There's lots of really good,
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  like I think it's a docu series on Netflix about this.
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  I think it might be college basketball.
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  Is it going to be untold? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've seen
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  that. Yeah, that's really good.
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  And, and, and then it's just like, I hate to be cynical, but
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  then it's like it must happen in all when when money's involved,
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  there's, there's doping, there's people trying to get the upper
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  hand in some way. But yeah, I mean, it's a shame
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  that it does happen. But I I don't know if this is a
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  flex because. I'm going to give you the the
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  numbers attached to it. But when I used to play American
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  football, we were in the British final.
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  It was on Sky on Sky Bet. You could bet on it.
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  Oh, really? And I, I was there like, I'm
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  playing at an amateur level. Yeah.
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  Someone pay me to do something. Yeah.
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  Yeah. But you could actually.
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  Just like waiting for someone to you.
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  Could only, you could only bet on the outcome of the game.
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  And I was like, what do they know?
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  Because the odds were so heavily against us.
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  Yeah. And up until about the third
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  quarter of the game, it was, it was a really close game.
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  And then when you look at the final score, it was like, yes,
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  Sky was really right. You didn't bet on yourself.
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  I was close to Baines myself. So just just for reference, the
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  team that we played averaged above 60 points scored for
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  American football. Think about rugby scores.
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  You don't American football and conceded on average less than
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  three points per game for that whole season.
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  That's crazy. So we lost I think it was like
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  55 to 28. Oh, so you was 32.
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  We put some points, we put some yeah, 3 touchdowns on the day.
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  What am I saying? Anyway, the today's theme
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  similar to last time but kind of the opposite end.
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  We spoke a lot about pre race and what to do there.
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  We then hosted a SIM. Actually, we should probably
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  talk about that. I'd like to talk about that.
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  Yeah, we hosted the same it. Was pretty fucking good.
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  Yeah. Well, yeah.
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  What do you want to talk about? Well, I was just going to say it
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  was so good that now we're putting on another one.
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  We we actually by popular demand, some of you guys
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  listening and some other people that missed out on the first
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  one. The next one is November the
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  9th, which I appreciate for those of you listening that
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  didn't know about it is pretty soon get moving.
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  Tickets are likely. To sell out.
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  I don't know if they have sold out when you're hearing this,
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  but they're selling pretty far. Hopefully for your sake they
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  haven't sold out, Hopefully for our sake maybe they have.
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  But yeah, genuinely get on board with it.
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  We've got some interesting news as well which I can put in this.
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  We had a brilliant bloke come down and he raced the SIM
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  himself in a solo. He did one hour 10 minutes and
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  18 seconds in his SIM with us. He then yesterday went and did
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  the exact same format race at Highrock Birmingham and ran one
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  hour 10 minutes and 14 seconds. And for those stats nerds out
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  there, that is a difference of 0.001% in the time.
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  So we're pretty smug. We're pretty smug.
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  Yeah, I think that's fair. An outsider input when I told
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  someone that was if we gave them a week and they ran a high,
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  rocked Birmingham again, they probably wouldn't be that close.
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  So we're just like magic. Yeah, yeah.
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  No, it's it's and that's why it's important for us to not
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  just put out false claims and go, we're the most accurate and
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  we're XY and Z and we're doing this and we're the best as like
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  a marketing ploy. But we've actually put thought
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  into it. And this is the sport that we
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  compete in and we want to be able to help people get better
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  in their attempt at their races. So being able to actually name
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  it probably the most accurate, I don't want to claim that, but it
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  is, well, evidence suggests it's it's really freaking accurate.
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  Yeah. And now I'm also thinking I'm
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  probably going to do some of them myself just because like
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  that's great. I can probably like I trusted it
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  because obviously a lot of thought went into it, like I
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  said, but now like the proof is quite literally in the pudding.
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  So that was really good. So we did that in the lead up to
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  that one. If you haven't listened to that
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  and you've got a race or you're going to do the SIM on the 9th
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  coming up, then definitely give that a listen.
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  Pre race fuelling, pre race preparation, how to try out
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  tactics. But now we're going to talk
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  about the flip side because Charles is about to enter a post
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  race phase, I suppose post double race phase.
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  I'm in it, you're in it. First of all, let's talk about
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  the races you did a pro double S, which is your first pro
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  weight race, Pro Double S mixed double S today, two hours, two
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  hours ago. So yeah, how how was each race?
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  I think we had going let's talk Pro Double S 1st.
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  I don't want to spend too long talking about myself, but going
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  into it we had kind of like lofty goals of the elusive 60
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  minutes. My partner Hugh, who I was
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  racing with, was the partner that you ran with in London.
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  Yeah. And you missed the hour by two.
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  Sussex. So he was, he was ready for
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  redemption. And I think we probably just
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  started out a little bit too hot.
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  I felt amazing. I'd had like a really, really
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  solid taper. My prep in the lead up days
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  towards it as well was really good in terms of nutrition.
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  And the only thing that wasn't good was I'd work the morning
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  shift that day or so yesterday. So I got up at 4:00 AM and the
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  race was 5:30 PM. So it was like a long day for
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  me. But the adrenaline took me
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  through. And I think we just got carried
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  away a little bit on the first run, probably second run as
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  well. But we stick to a plan and the
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  outcome was not what we wanted in terms of time.
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  But I think overall effort, we put in a really big shift and we
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  can be proud of that. And we ran one hour, 2 minutes,
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  which is still like a really great time.
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  I think our perception of great times is warped, especially by
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  the fact that the winning time in our heat was a 49 minute
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  race. 49 minutes 7. And you live by that and you
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  just like Jake and Charlie and you just go, well, that's that's
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  so mental, like two of the best athletes in the world at high
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  rocks running the same heat as us.
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  And you kind of get dragged into that and go, well, oh, my hour 2
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  is really bad. But actually, you know, there's
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  people biting your arm off to run the hour too.
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  So we were pretty pleased with that.
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  I, I know I've got more in the tank for sure.
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  I'm really happy with how the running felt.
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  And then woke up this morning and I was terrified because my
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  quads were sore to touch, my glutes hurt, my lower back was a
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  bit sore, my soleus hurt. Like all of these things.
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  And then we ran a really solid race again today and ran 5859
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  average run pace 4 minutes, which is awesome.
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  So really consistent on the running.
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  And yeah, it went to plan And again, I feel like I've got more
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  in the tank. So I think it's a a really
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  positive way to start my season because those are my first two
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  races I was. Going to say last season,
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  obviously you were coming, it was your first sort of races of
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  high rocks generally, but. Coming off the back of injury.
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  The, the level of confidence you had at the start of the season
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  wasn't high and then what happened during the season took
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  it to the floor. So I think from from like from
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  my side as a, as a mate. The bounce back, the bounce.
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  Back is huge, yeah. So like, so deserved, but also
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  so required. Yeah, yeah.
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  But I, I, I, I look back at my form going into Stockholm last
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  December and I was in really good shape.
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  My running probably was about as good as it is now, maybe a
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  little bit slower, but physically on the stations I was
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  in really good shape. I just cocked up the first run
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  and ran an extra lap, which everyone still loves to joke
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  about. And that just, yeah, like you
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  said that not my confidence. I was like, am I going to be
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  able to get into better shape than that?
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  I'd worked really hard, really consistent for that.
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  So that was frustrating for me. And, and, and we've spoken about
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  it so many times before. And like Cardiff was also a good
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  example. That was me going in with like,
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  I'm going to redeem myself from Stockholm and I just put too
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  much pressure on it. Nathan said it to me in the warm
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  up area just now. He's like, I've never seen you
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  like this relaxed before racing. Like what's going on?
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  Why aren't you stressed? And and I, I, I truly was just
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  excited and I do feel like stress and anxiety or like pre
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  race nerves and excitement. They ride basically the same
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  line and it's just how you want to interpret it.
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  So I was just last night as well.
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  I was a bit more nervous last night, but after I settled into
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  it and I was running hard and like I knew I was the stronger
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  one in the pair, that gave me confidence and I could really
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  settle in and enjoy it and, and today as well, I was just like,
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  I just want to go and have a good time, yeah.
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  I think one one thing that's interesting though, how did the
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  once you started running and you got out there, how did the body
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  feel? Not right, really.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, interesting.
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  And I and I felt that in the warm up area as well, I didn't
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  touch the sleds today. So we discussed.
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  It's really funny. In the last episode and I said I
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  never touched the sleds in the warm up air because all it can
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  do is turn bad. If if the sled moves really
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  well, then your brain and what will probably actually happen in
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  the race is the sled in the race won't move as well.
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  If the sled doesn't move well and now you're just over
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  thinking about how tough the sled is and you're like now I
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  like it. After yesterday, he comes up to
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  me in the warm up area and he's like, hey, I couldn't move to
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  sled. It's like now you're over
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  thinking. It the thing that was in the
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  issue, I think in the warm up area was the turf wasn't it was
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  the same turf. I assume it may have been
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  slightly different, but it wasn't like secured to the
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  floor. So and it was only the second
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  time that I'd worn those shoes. So I wasn't particularly
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  confident in the in the grip in the shoes, but because the turf
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  wasn't secure to the floor, it just there was no grip and the
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  turf was moving and crumpling up.
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  So I was looking around and seeing other people try and move
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  the sled. Honestly, I couldn't move it,
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  like I couldn't move it. And I've been working hard on my
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  sled push. So that put me in kind of like I
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  was a bit nervous about the sled push.
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  But once we got to the sled push and it started moving fine, I
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  was good. But today, yeah, in the warm up
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  area as well, running my legs felt like lead got out on the
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  first run. Again, it's always a, a mental
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  thing for me because I was in front of my partner.
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  It allowed me to go, OK, I'm I'm the stronger one here.
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  I'm kind of dictating the pace. I'm not having to chase.
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  So I'm always on the front foot then and, and positive and
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  mentally that really is positive for me.
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  And as a result, I can kind of relax a little bit more and, and
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  no, I'm not like slowing my partner down, if that makes
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  sense. I think if you flip that and I
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  was the slow one in the pair and I was chasing someone, I think
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  mentally that would be much tougher for me.
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  But I'd be interested to put myself in that position because
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  I feel like having a slightly faster partner is the thing
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  that's probably causing me to not go as fast as maybe I could
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  do. Yeah, I think from speaking from
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  experience of having like a faster partner earlier this
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  year, in the moment, horrible, on reflection, so good.
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  Yeah, so, so good. Like, I'd much rather finish a
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  race and feel like I should apologize.
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  Yeah. Then finish a race and be like,
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  I wish, I wish I could have dragged them a bit more, helped
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  them out a bit more on that so they could have done more there.
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  The best fit they they would they, they last night they were
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  really good at policing the fast lane and pushing people out of
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  the fast lane. I think it that would be because
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  you had Charlie in general, right?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And one point we went around the
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  corner where the start tunnel was and they released the men's
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  proheat and it was carnage and I just heard Charlie screaming in
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  my ear over my shoulder. For anyone who doesn't know,
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  it's Charlie Bottle who's probably the best in the UK
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  right now. Wow, vastest times higher than
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  that in the world with his time. He's now in the early 15 sodas
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  as well as I mean level cemental.
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  So at their level average of 316 kilometre pace for saying like
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  49 is a ridiculous time. So they'd set the third fastest
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  time in history. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So yeah, it was very. And that was though, I mean,
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  there were lots, there were lots of really fast people in my heat
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  last night, but they were I heard Charlie screaming,
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  screaming, screaming. I'm like, oh, need to get out of
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  his way. Like I don't want to be the
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  person who ruins his time. But as a result of that,
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  everyone got out of their way. It's like when an ambulance goes
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  down the down the road and all the cars park.
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  And I was like, well, I'm just going to jump on the bandwagon
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  and just slide in behind Jake and just chose the, the, the
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  empty line. But today was the was busy.
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  Obviously it was double S, so like double the amount of people
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  on track. We had some stragglers from the
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  women's pro as well. So it was getting busy and they
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  weren't as good at policing it, but there was one point on the
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  last run where I was like I knew it was on to go sub 60.
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  So I was like, I'm not letting anyone get in my way here.
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  One guy steps into the fast lane and I don't shout.
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  It doesn't, It doesn't really annoy me too much, but I just
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  put my hand on his back like fully politely, like he stepped
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  in front of me and I just pushed him and, and we went and I for
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  sure think he ran his fastest split there because he was just,
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  I think he loved it. And then we got him out of the
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  way and then we're like, but he he was, he was all good with it
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  or we had a laugh about it afterwards.
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  But yeah, I think that was like a really good race for me.
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  And like I said, like a really good way to start my season.
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  Yeah, I had this is so random, but I feel like it's funny to
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  talk like I was filming someone today.
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  So I'm obviously up here for the the next few days filming and
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  they were going through it on the lunges and they were just
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  having a bit of a tough race. I think they've come out of the
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  back of what everyone's got with like COVID or some infection.
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  So he was saying to me like, I'm really struggling to breathe as
• 18:28
  it is. But on the lunges he was like,
• 18:29
  mate, and now there's just nothing left in the tank.
• 18:32
  And I was trying to like film him and coach him and be like,
• 18:34
  look, just give me one lunge, 2 breaths, 1 lunge, gang him
• 18:37
  through it. He got through it and he was
• 18:39
  like, OK, cool. He dropped the bag, started
• 18:42
  running and then like stopped and it almost looked like he was
• 18:44
  going to do up a shoelace and then like carried on running and
• 18:48
  like stumbled over to a bin, throw up in the bin, ran away.
• 18:52
  And I was like, yes, stopped at the next bin and threw up.
• 18:56
  And what I'd said to him on the lunges as well was try and like
• 18:58
  do that thing where you make someone smile.
• 19:00
  I was like, mate, when you come past me on the next run, throw
• 19:02
  up a peace sign or something. And he smiled at the time and I
• 19:04
  was like, cool, that's going to work.
• 19:05
  He's going to feel better that RP is going to drop and all of
• 19:08
  that. So he threw up in both bins and
• 19:11
  then ran round and it is actually great content.
• 19:15
  But he threw up a double P sign at me and just looked so gone.
• 19:20
  So I spoke to him about it for the race.
• 19:21
  So he, he, he was like, no, I really wanted to throw up the
• 19:23
  peace signs. And I was like, I, I respect.
• 19:25
  You so so good. It's tough out there like it's
• 19:28
  there's no two ways about it. Whatever your fitness level is,
• 19:31
  whatever your ability, if you're pushing yourself hard, whether
• 19:34
  you do 2 hours, one hour, 49, like it's really hard race.
• 19:38
  And and that's, that's like you should come away from it feeling
• 19:42
  like you've spent, like you've spent.
• 19:44
  Yeah. Because like in reality, as long
• 19:46
  as you have been training for it, that's what you've been
• 19:47
  training for. Like you should do, because
• 19:49
  otherwise you haven't. Pushed yourself.
• 19:51
  Pushed yourself to. The way that your training
• 19:53
  deserves, I think is really important.
• 19:57
  Yeah. So I'm now jealous.
• 19:59
  I've got a bit of FOMO. I want to get running again.
• 20:03
  But yeah, I think. We're going to have to get some
• 20:06
  stuff in next season. Maybe we do a a podcast special
• 20:09
  run out that could be cool and maybe we test it at The Rock.
• 20:14
  SIM, that could be awesome as well.
• 20:15
  Yeah, that'd be. Cool as well.
• 20:18
  Do you know what's also really cool about that guys?
• 20:20
  Let us know in the comments if you'd like to see this.
• 20:22
  High rocks. You're not allowed phones,
• 20:24
  you're not allowed music, you're not allowed cameras.
• 20:27
  What would it look like to go sub hour?
• 20:29
  No one knows if they don't run sub hour.
• 20:31
  Well, what if we run with a camera?
• 20:33
  That's a good idea. If you like that, put it in the
• 20:35
  comments. If they don't like it, don't put
• 20:37
  it in the comments. But I'll do it anyway.
• 20:40
  Yeah. So now we've got a slightly
• 20:42
  tight schedule because I'm aware you need to get onto a train.
• 20:44
  And I've literally, as he said, ripped him off the racetrack to
• 20:47
  be the podcast. But everyone's favorite time of
• 20:51
  episode Cry My Gears hit me with a grind my gear.
• 20:56
  My one has been grinding my gears for so long and it's it's
• 21:00
  very again, I feel like mine is so niche and so specific, but
• 21:04
  it's another coach specific one and something I experienced
• 21:07
  basically daily when I'm in the gym coaching.
• 21:10
  It's people turning up to my classes late.
• 21:13
  Now a personality trait of me is I like to be early and I it's
• 21:19
  stressing me out being late. I like to be awkwardly early to
• 21:23
  things, whatever. So even if someone's like a
• 21:27
  minute late to them, it doesn't matter if they're, they're like
• 21:30
  a late person, they're like, ah, it's only a minute.
• 21:31
  But I got a strict schedule in my class plan to get things
• 21:35
  done. And if I wait even 1-2 minutes,
• 21:39
  not only am I disrespecting all the other people who have
• 21:41
  managed to get there on time slash early, it's set me on the
• 21:44
  back foot to try and get everything fit into my class.
• 21:47
  So then I'm racing the clock to get everything done and then I
• 21:50
  can't do as thorough a job as a coach.
• 21:52
  But more than that, people turn up late and then start
• 21:58
  disrupting because the first thing that I do in my class, I
• 22:01
  tell people about the workout. So they come in and I'm talking
• 22:05
  to a group of people about what the workout is.
• 22:07
  And then they're like start talking to other people who are
• 22:10
  already there and it's just the disrespect.
• 22:12
  Or they won't even come to the whiteboard.
• 22:15
  They'll just go straight into the toilet or during my
• 22:18
  whiteboard brief, I'm explaining what the workout is and they'll
• 22:21
  just like saunt her off, like fill their water bottle up.
• 22:23
  And I'm like, I know you're paying to come to this gym, all
• 22:26
  right? I know that's your privilege,
• 22:28
  you come here, but just have a little bit more respect for me
• 22:31
  as a coach. Maybe it's just they don't
• 22:32
  respect me that's the main problem.
• 22:34
  That's fair. Having having worked in a gym on
• 22:37
  the front desk we had a rule where if you're 5 minutes late
• 22:40
  the door is locked. But maybe I'm too lenient.
• 22:43
  That's that is such a good idea because it gets the message
• 22:47
  across. There's nothing worse than
• 22:49
  locking the door and I remember turning up.
• 22:52
  If if if it was my gym I probably would have a rule like
• 22:54
  that. But but like I totally agree
• 22:57
  with the rule but when I'm the person that's locked the door.
• 22:59
  Staring at you, you're like. Like obviously I'm going to let
• 23:02
  you in. You know, I feel awful.
• 23:04
  And it's like 6:00 in the morning, they've come 20 minutes
• 23:07
  or whatever it is at that time. It's rain.
• 23:09
  Like what are you going to do? Because especially but you.
• 23:12
  Only have to do it once. Well, you say that.
• 23:14
  But that's a that's a personality trait of just like
• 23:16
  people are late and they don't think that it's like something
• 23:19
  that's a problem. I'm just I think I have no
• 23:21
  backbone when I beat the fact that like a lot of people that
• 23:23
  go to the gym at that time in the morning will go to the gym
• 23:25
  because that's their pre, that's their their work out done, but
• 23:28
  also that's their shower before work.
• 23:30
  If I take away their powerful work, I'm a horrible yeah, you
• 23:34
  can't run. And use the shower.
• 23:36
  You just can't train, you know, Maybe that's right.
• 23:38
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:39
  OK, so my primary grind, my gear, which is hot off the press
• 23:44
  from today and yesterday, people that bring prams or even worse
• 23:49
  and specifically actually I should make him about this,
• 23:52
  double prams to sports events because they're huge.
• 23:57
  And I, I understand that especially when you've got
• 23:59
  events that happen on weekdays, you can't get childcare so
• 24:04
  easily. Maybe you've actually had to
• 24:05
  take the day off work to be here.
• 24:08
  Arguably the child should be in school unless it's really
• 24:10
  little. Maybe if it's the pram, maybe
• 24:12
  not, but I never see the children in them and I just see
• 24:19
  the pram in the way. And the param is a vehicle to
• 24:22
  move stuff as well, isn't it? It's just like rather than
• 24:25
  carrying a backpack, you just put stuff in it.
• 24:26
  And it's just like, it's just really annoying and and if I'm
• 24:29
  going to go one level deeper, just don't bring young kids to
• 24:32
  the event. They don't want to be there.
• 24:34
  It's bad for their ears if anything.
• 24:36
  And like, they do just get in the way.
• 24:39
  I find it difficult to rationalize with this one, but
• 24:43
  I, I, I appreciate that they get in the way.
• 24:45
  Yeah, but what are you going to do?
• 24:47
  You've got little kids. You have to bring them.
• 24:49
  This is this. I, I, I get that.
• 24:51
  This is actually funny because I was thinking about this when I
• 24:54
  was like, so niche and not sport related.
• 24:56
  But now you brought it up. There's a thing where people
• 25:00
  will use the pram with the child in it to like get into spaces
• 25:04
  that there's no room for, to fit into.
• 25:07
  Or they, they're basically like using their kid as a way of like
• 25:12
  getting priority or privilege. And I'm like, don't use your kid
• 25:16
  like that. Yeah, I'm like, I'm happy to get
• 25:18
  out of your way, that's fine, but don't like crash into my leg
• 25:22
  or like get in front of me in the queue or something by using
• 25:25
  your kid as an excuse. Yeah, valid.
• 25:29
  Interestingly, there's another podcast that has done they they
• 25:35
  basically committed fraud, right?
• 25:37
  And they've taken a grind my gear section.
• 25:39
  Oh, really? They haven't actually called it
• 25:40
  that. They haven't given it a name
• 25:42
  yet, but there's no way that the the content did as well as it
• 25:46
  did and it's not going to be a regular piece.
• 25:47
  But this is interesting. People taking their Strava
• 25:51
  marathon time over their chip time.
• 25:56
  Don't get me started. Strava is the pinnacle of sports
• 26:02
  performance tracking, as you're fully aware of, because you love
• 26:05
  it. I do love Strava.
• 26:06
  But I hadn't even thought of the fact that people would be doing
• 26:10
  that. Wild, but I it didn't it didn't
• 26:14
  annoy me until I started racing again and then people are
• 26:19
  posting times from their Strava which are faster than my chip
• 26:22
  time. You don't need to post your
• 26:24
  Strava time because you've paid to do an official event to get
• 26:27
  chip timed. The argument though, I saw
• 26:30
  someone arguing this in the in the car.
• 26:32
  Really the argument was I couldn't stick to the race line
• 26:36
  which is there because it was so busy.
• 26:39
  So I have run that exactly. Yeah.
• 26:42
  Yeah, it bounces. If you don't know that and you
• 26:44
  live in London, go to Batley Park and you'll run a 242 for
• 26:48
  100 meters. Then it'll be a 619.
• 26:50
  Yeah, your your success isn't that accurate.
• 26:52
  It's rubbish. So yeah, you can't, you can't be
• 26:56
  doing that. That's like saying it's like you
• 26:57
  asking me what my best marathon time is and I go, oh, my watch
• 27:01
  tells me I can do it in 242. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:03
  Or me just going off my Garmin predicted what, my 5.
• 27:06
  That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:08
  But yeah, my, my half marathon PB chip time, that's what I take
• 27:13
  and it's like it's just sub 90. But I look at my Strava and that
• 27:17
  looks a lot more healthier, like a 128 something.
• 27:20
  I'm like you've you've paid to do an official event.
• 27:22
  That's where you've got your PB. Grind my gear off the back of
• 27:25
  the watch thing. Oh no, people using their HRV as
• 27:30
  a do you know what actually this is this is this is funny.
• 27:35
  You know our horoscopes, right? The athlete equivalent of a
• 27:40
  horoscope is the data on your watch.
• 27:43
  Because there are people that will be like, as much as I don't
• 27:46
  know what a Capricorn and a Scorpio.
• 27:48
  The difference is between that people will look at their sleep
• 27:51
  and their HRV and try and predict their life as equally.
• 27:54
  As someone that's actually really it's a horoscope analogy.
• 27:57
  Because someone, I literally heard someone after a 10K race
• 28:02
  be like, mate, I just I knew I was going to run in like a 38
• 28:06
  because my HRB was bad last night and I was like, I looked
• 28:10
  at the stars and they weren't aligned, wasn't aligned and I
• 28:13
  just knew I was going to run over.
• 28:15
  There you go. Funny.
• 28:16
  I'm also there and I'm like, that's faster than I could run
• 28:18
  than gay probably. But like sure, if your stars
• 28:21
  didn't align then. Now you have to have an excuse,
• 28:23
  otherwise, yeah, that's funny. That's a good one.
• 28:27
  Well, I mean, we didn't have too many in the way of submissions
• 28:30
  this week, which means that you guys are listening and watching
• 28:32
  have let us down slightly. There's no way that we are the
• 28:35
  only two people in this universe, let alone this
• 28:37
  country, to get pissed off by stuff.
• 28:38
  So if you're getting pissed off, slash when you're getting pissed
• 28:41
  off, don't even use your notes page like we do.
• 28:44
  Just send it straight into the podcast page or to either of us
• 28:47
  directly. We can keep it anonymous if it's
• 28:49
  really bad. If anything, that's even better.
• 28:53
  But if you want to be known for one, especially if there's
• 28:56
  virality to it, then send us your name and we'll give you all
• 28:59
  the credit. Now, that means that we're going
• 29:02
  into this week's game. This week's game is simple.
• 29:05
  You've you've spent a long time doing it game so.
• 29:08
  Well again, try to do the efficient thing with my
• 29:12
  generation and use CHA GPT. Cha GPT doesn't understand the
• 29:15
  game. I've tried quite a few times.
• 29:17
  I've got no chance then. We're playing higher or lower.
• 29:21
  Oh cool. So, Oh, no, higher or lower.
• 29:25
  I'm going to start off by giving you the first statistic and then
• 29:28
  we're going to go from. There.
• 29:29
  This is good. I'm going to be terrible.
• 29:30
  OK, Can we just preface it with that?
• 29:32
  I. Think it's easy because I'd be
• 29:37
  asked for this and I've put the question together so it seems
• 29:39
  really obvious to me, but we'll see.
• 29:42
  Interesting fact. In 2024 Wimbledon ticket sales
• 29:47
  brought in £409 million. Wow wow Patrick Mahomes, the NFL
• 29:57
  quarterback signed a record-breaking contract yeah
• 30:01
  across 10 years. What's higher, his salary for
• 30:08
  that 10 year contract or the Wimbledy ticket sales number?
• 30:13
  The problem is I I don't, I didn't even believe the number
• 30:16
  of Wimbledon ticket sales, £109 million in.
• 30:20
  Sales that is mental. It's not obviously profit,
• 30:22
  that's just sales. I've seen some big numbers with
• 30:26
  NFL contracts and Mahomes obviously arguably the number
• 30:31
  one quarterback in the league. How over 10 years is a 10?
• 30:36
  Year contract, which is in itself crazy, is crazy.
• 30:42
  I'm I'm going with my gut, I'm going to say lower.
• 30:48
  OK. Do you want to have a guess of
• 30:49
  what his contract was? I'm sure it's probably, I mean
• 30:53
  actually 40 odd million a year over 10 years.
• 30:56
  Wait, what was? It 409,000,400 and 9,000,000
• 31:01
  lbs. No, I, I, I I wouldn't be able
• 31:06
  to guess maybe can I change my answer?
• 31:08
  I've committed to lower change your answer.
• 31:10
  No, I'm going gut because I'm sticking with lower bar you.
• 31:12
  Want to stick with lower? Yeah.
• 31:13
  Do you want to hedge your guess at what?
• 31:15
  Probably like between 2:50 and 300.
• 31:19
  OK. So Patrick Mahomes over his 10
• 31:21
  year contract should in theory earn 500 $500 million which is
• 31:33
  375,000,000 lbs which is lower. I was you were right 3.
• 31:38
  175,000,000 lbs which is lower than Wimbledon ticket sales but
• 31:42
  across the 10 years. He's quite close then with me I
• 31:43
  guess. Which means that he averages
• 31:46
  $37.5 million a year in his contract.
• 31:50
  Now, in the news recently, I don't know if you saw this, but
• 31:54
  there was a robbery from the Louvre in Paris.
• 31:59
  It was actually like a massive heist.
• 32:01
  Have you heard about it? No.
• 32:02
  OK so for people who don't know, there was an actual heist really
• 32:05
  under the Louvre recently, literally in the last two weeks
• 32:09
  and there were 4 robbers and they stole a shit load of
• 32:12
  jewelry that is the equivalent. Oh, I did see this been trendy.
• 32:15
  Yeah, I did see this. You know, people being like, how
• 32:17
  do I sell this now? And The funny thing?
• 32:20
  Is that it could all be legit? Which thing is a meme?
• 32:23
  So. Oh wow.
• 32:25
  The jewelry stolen from Paris in a daylight robbery, It's
• 32:30
  valuation. Is it higher or lower than the
• 32:33
  $37.5 million, £37.5 million that Patrick Mahomes will earn
• 32:40
  yearly? Are you going to do another
• 32:41
  thing where it's actually in Euros?
• 32:43
  I can give you both. EUR and pounds, it's got to be
• 32:45
  higher. You think higher?
• 32:47
  Yeah, OK. So it was valued at €88 million,
• 32:51
  which is £76 million. OK, $102 million.
• 32:56
  Now we're going back to sport. Cool.
• 32:59
  The highest earning athlete in the world right now for this
• 33:04
  year 2025. Any guesses to you guys?
• 33:09
  Footballer. It is Ronaldo.
• 33:11
  It is Ronaldo. Is his yearly earnings this year
• 33:15
  higher or lower than £76 million higher?
• 33:20
  OK, you are correct. Yeah, his earnings on the top
• 33:24
  he's on, he's the top of the 2025 earnings list, 275 million
• 33:28
  in the one year, which makes it hat trick Mahomes contract.
• 33:30
  Yeah, ridiculous. Yeah.
• 33:34
  So he is earning $50 million of that purely from endorsements.
• 33:41
  Emil Heskey. You've got to keep up.
• 33:44
  Emil Heskey was once a very famous for being the best
• 33:49
  striker in in football worldwide before he went downhill.
• 33:54
  He set a world record-breaking signing fee in the year 2000
• 33:58
  when he moved from the Leicester City to Liverpool.
• 34:02
  Was it higher or lower than Cristiano Ronaldo's endorsement
• 34:07
  earnings this year? So £50 million, the 50 million,
• 34:11
  sorry, $50 million, so just under £50 million in 2000.
• 34:15
  In the year 2000, lower, low world record-breaking transfer,
• 34:22
  transfer fee. Yeah, lower, OK, you are
• 34:24
  correct. It was £11 million 11,000,000
• 34:28
  Which one you? Think.
• 34:28
  Don't. Mind games with me, But not just
• 34:30
  inflation, but 11,000,000 lbs Yeah.
• 34:33
  Would buy you Jack shit today in football.
• 34:36
  Yeah, it's embarrassing. How bad.
• 34:38
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:39
  OK, 11,000,000 is the number. Yeah.
• 34:44
  How many London Marathon applications were there this
• 34:46
  year? Oh that's a great question.
• 34:49
  This is a sore topic and I don't want to talk about WOW
• 34:54
  11,000,000. I'm going to say lower.
• 34:58
  OK. You want me to guess a number?
• 35:02
  If you want to you. Don't have.
• 35:03
  No, I'm not. I'm not putting my name into it.
• 35:06
  It's still ridiculously high. It was 1.1 million.
• 35:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Applications.
• 35:09
  Which is mentor? Half of those are my.
• 35:12
  So 1.1 million? How many golf balls do titles
• 35:17
  make per day? Oh wow, Titles are the biggest
• 35:21
  golf ball manufacturer in the world.
• 35:23
  Crow V1. Crow V1 is, yeah, the historic
• 35:26
  golf ball. A day.
• 35:29
  A day. Oh, that's tough, but I'm going
• 35:33
  higher or. Lower than higher or lower than
• 35:34
  1.1? Million, yeah, lower.
• 35:37
  OK, it's lower tireless Make 1,000,000 golf balls a.
• 35:41
  Day Oh yeah so it's. Real close.
• 35:44
  OK, that's wild. According to the Isaiah.
• 35:47
  Yeah. Yeah, A day?
• 35:49
  No, according to the ice hockey federation, the IHF, Yeah.
• 35:53
  How many registered ice hockey players are there worldwide?
• 35:56
  Is it higher or lower than 1,000,000?
• 36:00
  Oh, that's tough. Worldwide, I'm going to say
• 36:05
  higher. You say hi, OK, niche sport, but
• 36:09
  1.65 million, let's go. OK.
• 36:15
  In Formula One, OK. Some teams such as Red Bull have
• 36:19
  been known to pay their drivers 55,000,000.
• 36:22
  Now they're at the very top. They've got the likes of Max
• 36:24
  Verstappen. I mean, you look at Ferrari, who
• 36:27
  have got Charles Leclerc and and Lewis Hamilton, they spend a lot
• 36:31
  of money on their drivers. The teams at the bottom
• 36:33
  absolutely cannot manage to do the thing.
• 36:35
  Yeah, yeah. How much did Williams Racing pay
• 36:40
  their drivers in 2024? Is it higher or lower than 1.64
• 36:45
  million? So that's Albon.
• 36:47
  Carlos Sainz, No. Carlos Sainz is this year.
• 36:50
  Oh, who was there? I can't even remember it might
• 36:53
  have been I don't think it was bought a letter I think he's
• 36:56
  current with. Well, that's who.
• 36:59
  Can't remember, he's probably. That's the thing.
• 37:02
  Interesting how to keep both of them together?
• 37:06
  And I need to get. Higher alert 1.64 Higher.
• 37:11
  OK, you can guess if you want. No.
• 37:14
  OK, it looked like you wanted to say number.
• 37:16
  It is higher. They were paid a combined total
• 37:20
  of 4 million. That's, that's crazy low for F1,
• 37:23
  isn't it? Which is, so it's such a.
• 37:25
  Stupid, I guess so. So the number is 4 million, so
• 37:28
  that was also dollars. So $4 million the number how
• 37:32
  much did what became Born GP by Honda for?
• 37:39
  Wow. Is it higher or lower than
• 37:41
  higher $1,000,000 OK, you want to guess a number?
• 37:44
  No. The answer's lower.
• 37:47
  Shut up. Braun GP bought Honda.
• 37:50
  I was doing so well. For 1 LB.
• 37:52
  Oh fine, I I jumped the gun. The 1 LB.
• 37:56
  Coin It was a £1.00 coin. Just because they bought a load
• 37:59
  of debt. There's a documentary on it on
• 38:01
  Disney. I was about to say that you
• 38:03
  could probably stream somewhere else.
• 38:04
  You can. You can stream illegally.
• 38:05
  You know, it isn't I I wouldn't actually recommend doing that
• 38:09
  because it's presented by God. What's his name?
• 38:13
  Who's the guy that did Matrix fame?
• 38:15
  The Matrix. Famous actor Keanu Reeves.
• 38:17
  Yeah. Keanu Reeves presented by Keanu
• 38:19
  Reeves and his He has zero knowledge of Formula One and the
• 38:22
  entire time it's very obvious he has zero knowledge to Formula
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  One. It's quite painful to watch I.
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  Was doing well now I was doing so well.
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  Higher or lower than a pound? OK.
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  How much is it to take part in the rocks sin?
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  Oh, it's higher. It's higher, but it's priceless.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, we'll see you on November the 9th.
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  Yeah, you did really well in that.
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  Yeah, I was good game, I was good on it.
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  Good role, good role on that though, like it's it's
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  tremendous value for SIM and like like genuinely.
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  Yeah, I mean, you genuinely like we look at this, I'm
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  potentially, I haven't decided on my next race.
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  I have a race book that I haven't decided on it because
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  I'm at a point where I've raced enough times, fortunately where
• 39:07
  I know what I am actually capable of and what I would like
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  to be capable of. If I don't think I'm going to be
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  capable of doing a time I'm proud of, why would I spend £120
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  to not enjoy it? And.
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  Potentially have to travel somewhere.
• 39:22
  Yeah, especially yeah, if you're.
• 39:24
  Well, I mean, you're travelling anywhere in Nest, you're racing
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  in London and a train ticket to Manchester or Birmingham even.
• 39:29
  Yeah. You're you're looking at like a
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  £200 even if you can do it in a day. £200 and and for.
• 39:35
  A lot of people. Plus autograph package £50.
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  So yeah, so if you actually throw on photos and you don't
• 39:41
  get videos in your Higher Ox races, but if you just included
• 39:44
  that as a sports graph package, then you are, you're literally
• 39:47
  paying 170 lbs a ticket for the event alone and that's all you
• 39:52
  get. So genuinely, we're not trying
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  to take on Higher Ox as a company here like we know, but.
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  It is. It is like we want to give a
• 40:00
  good. Tool to aid your training.
• 40:03
  It's the people's hybrid race really at the end of the day,
• 40:06
  like if you want to, yeah, like Charles said, aid your training.
• 40:09
  Or if you actually just enjoy doing the race form and you
• 40:12
  don't have a place to do it other because most people don't.
• 40:15
  It's in central London, it's well connected.
• 40:16
  Even if you're not in London and you can get into London, it's
• 40:18
  very easy to get to. Then give us a message and we'll
• 40:23
  make it work. Or if you know you can make it,
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  buy a ticket. I'm going to hedge your bet on
• 40:28
  saying that November 9th probably isn't going to be the
• 40:30
  last one we. Do Oh, it won't be.
• 40:31
  So if you can't make November the 9th, don't worry about it.
• 40:34
  Just keep an eye on the mindsets podcast at Mindsets, under score
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  podcast page at Rocks under score Sport page and our
• 40:42
  independent pages as well. You will find any tickets to any
• 40:46
  events that we've got going on there.
• 40:48
  Please do come down, even if it's to watch and take part.
• 40:50
  We actually have often got free things to give away and we don't
• 40:55
  want to carry them home. So that means they've got to go
• 40:56
  home in someone's pockets. They might as well be your
• 40:58
  lovely people's pockets. But yeah, I think that wraps up
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  our episode. Anything else for me?
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  Hopefully we won't be in Ibis next time we film.
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  Maybe not. And to make sure it opens, hit
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• 41:21
  Things are very busy. We keep doing that to ourselves.
• 41:24
  So we're going to keep plugging away with the podcast episodes,
• 41:26
  but some point it's going to ramp up, maybe 226.
• 41:30
  Please be involved in making that happen.
• 41:33
  I was going to say we love you all.
• 41:34
  That seemed really deep to say in someone's ear when they might
• 41:37
  be at work by now. But we do love you all.
• 41:40
  So I look forward to seeing you in the next episode.