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Robin Williams' son, Zak Williams, on healing after loss #24 · Free Therapy with Ben & Kevin

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  Speaker 1: The world needs free therapy.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, Benny? Hi, Kevin. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, I just got this message from someone on Instagram
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  Speaker 3: about how she listened to the Values episode with Sanj
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  Speaker 3: and how it completely changed the way she had been
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  Speaker 3: thinking about her own values and how she had taken
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  Speaker 3: on the values of the Persian Jewish community in her
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  Speaker 3: case and how it was making her feel really insecure
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  Speaker 3: and And how much that episode made her realize that
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  Speaker 3: she needs to re-evaluate whose values she's prioritizing and living
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  Speaker 3: based off of. And it just made me so happy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The number of messages that we've been getting. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 3: I know you too because we text each other every
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  Speaker 3: single time. Because this job can be crazy because you forget.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That there are people listening to these episodes. You just
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  Speaker 3: work so hard and we're working so hard to record
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  Speaker 3: every week. And we're not actually getting... to see the
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  Speaker 3: people listen.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: We're not in a room where we get to talk
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  Speaker 3: to the person afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: It does. It's like the amount of hours we put
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  Speaker 2: in for the details. It's so hard to actually see
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  Speaker 2: the results because we're measuring numbers, which is fine. But
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  Speaker 2: the real measurement is the person reaching out saying that
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  Speaker 2: episode influenced me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're listening to these episodes and you're enjoying them,
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  Speaker 3: I would love to hear about that rate review. Like
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  Speaker 3: those reviews, I'm reading them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're texting each other.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 3: So please, I would love to hear all of that.
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  Speaker 2: And thanks for all the support. It's been three months,
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  Speaker 2: four months that we've been doing this. So thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And in this episode, it's going to be a little
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  Speaker 3: bit different.
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  Speaker 1: There's no therapist.
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  Speaker 3: Instead, we're sitting with someone who has been through the
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  Speaker 3: journey themselves. We sat down with Zach Williams, the son
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  Speaker 3: of Robin Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, most of us knew Robin, especially me
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  Speaker 2: and my family, as one of the funniest and most
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  Speaker 2: beloved people in the world. But what makes this conversation
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  Speaker 2: amazing is Zach just knew him as his dad.
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  Speaker 3: And after losing his father to suicide, Zach went through
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  Speaker 3: his own struggles of anxiety and depression and addiction and
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  Speaker 3: eventually began asking a very different question. What can we
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  Speaker 3: actually do to take care of our mental health?
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  Speaker 2: You know, in this episode, we talked about grief. We
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  Speaker 2: talked about what it means to lose someone you love.
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  Speaker 2: And we talked about how you carry that loss without
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  Speaker 2: letting it define the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 3: Zach also shared some of the lessons he learned from
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  Speaker 3: his dad about kindness, about service, and showing up for
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  Speaker 3: other people.
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  Speaker 2: And we also got into some practical stuff. How you
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  Speaker 2: recognize when you're struggling, how to ask for help, and
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  Speaker 2: the small things you can do to start feeling better.
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  Speaker 3: This is going to be a beautiful conversation about grief, resilience,
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  Speaker 3: mental health, finding a way forward, and... We get into
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  Speaker 3: some of his dad's favorite movies as well, which is
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  Speaker 3: one of my favorite parts.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Zach, welcome to Free Therapy. Thank you. Today's guest is
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  Speaker 2: Zach Williams. Some of you may recognize him or recognize
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  Speaker 2: his name for sure. He is the son of the
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  Speaker 2: late great actor, husband and father, Robin Williams, who many
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  Speaker 2: of us grew up with watching and adoring. And over
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  Speaker 2: the last 15 years, Zach has taken a journey through
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  Speaker 2: grief and mental health and has become such an amazing advocate,
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  Speaker 2: not just for like men, but for everyone in the space.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people look up to you
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  Speaker 2: and are eager to hear the things that you have
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  Speaker 2: to say. And I think that journey has luckily led
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  Speaker 2: us to this room today. You started a supplement brand
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  Speaker 2: company called PIM, which is also your middle name, which
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  Speaker 2: we will get into later. I have a ton of
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  Speaker 2: questions about that, but I actually tried it and I
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  Speaker 2: liked it. And so I'm excited to dig into that.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, you're spreading this amazing message around mental health.
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  Speaker 2: And this podcast really for us is trying to get
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  Speaker 2: a million guys into therapy. we believe that therapy is
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  Speaker 2: something that everyone should at least try. And yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: I think I want to start off with, what are
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  Speaker 2: some of the biggest ways that therapy has helped you
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  Speaker 2: in your life?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. So first off, thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just gave it to you. It's great.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, I was the child of divorce. And
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  Speaker 1: as part of that, I started therapy as like a three-year-old. Really?
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  Speaker 1: So for me, going as a, Really young kid. It
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  Speaker 1: was an opportunity for me to get really good at
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  Speaker 1: playing certain games. So that's where I was playing chess
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  Speaker 1: and I learned how to play chess. This is a
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  Speaker 1: way of expressing. So early on, it was all about games.
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  Speaker 1: I could kind of get better with that. And then
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  Speaker 1: while I was playing chess, I would talk and things
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  Speaker 1: like that. Progressing into each age, there were different benefits
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  Speaker 1: from it. In my teens, I needed an outlet, especially
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  Speaker 1: as you're going through all the different experiences. And it's
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  Speaker 1: nice to have someone I could be honest with to
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  Speaker 1: the best of my ability as a teenager. And that
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  Speaker 1: was helpful for me. It helped me develop a better
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  Speaker 1: communication pattern with my parents. And then going through, fast
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  Speaker 1: forwarding to my 20s and 30s, especially after my father passed,
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  Speaker 1: The thing for me was therapy was really helpful to
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  Speaker 1: start setting a path to healing.
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  Speaker 2: We feel like there's a ton of misconceptions about therapy.
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  Speaker 2: A ton of things that guys don't get about therapy.
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  Speaker 2: And we feel like if they heard more guys talk
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  Speaker 2: about the things that therapy wasn't and why it was good,
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  Speaker 2: it might be beneficial. So I guess, I don't know. Kev,
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  Speaker 2: what are some of the misconceptions that we've heard about therapy?
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  Speaker 3: Some of the biggest ones... That I hear are, like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't need to go to therapy because I haven't had, like,
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  Speaker 3: a big, big trauma in my life. Like, my life's
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  Speaker 3: been good. Like, yeah, it's been perfect, but it's been good.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to go to therapy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people have that.
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  Speaker 2: I also feel like people are like, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to go to therapy because I'm just talking about my
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  Speaker 2: problems all day. Like, I don't want to be there
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  Speaker 2: just talking about problems.
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  Speaker 3: It just makes it worse.
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  Speaker 2: And you're like, well, like, that's not what therapy is.
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  Speaker 2: It's also just to, like, explore your life, things that
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  Speaker 2: maybe you're curious about. maybe behavioral patterns that you do,
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  Speaker 2: everyone is like, no, it has to be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Then if I talk about my problems, it'll get worse.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not true.
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  Speaker 3: The way I look at therapy is like your life
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  Speaker 3: is a bike and you're riding this bicycle. And every
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  Speaker 3: time you brake, there's like a loud screech. Every time
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  Speaker 3: you pedal, there's like a click in the chain. Every
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  Speaker 3: time you turn, the whole thing rattles. And therapy is
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  Speaker 3: actually like getting off the bicycle, looking at the bike,
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  Speaker 3: And removing the chain and sitting with a specialist for
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  Speaker 3: bikes and saying, how do you get this chain on correctly?
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  Speaker 3: Here's how you do it. How do you fix it? Oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: you need some oil lubricant for the brake. Okay, great.
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  Speaker 3: How do you fix it? And literally dissecting all of this.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just yelling at the brakes because they're not
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  Speaker 3: working or getting upset every time your brake screeches or
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  Speaker 3: your chain clinks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You're actually... fixing the operating system upon which your life works.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think some of the misconception around
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  Speaker 1: therapy is that it's all, I mean, especially amongst men
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  Speaker 1: is that it's all talk therapy, right? And talk therapy
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  Speaker 1: is super valuable for many, many people, but there's other
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  Speaker 1: types of therapy, right? And the thing that really helped
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  Speaker 1: advance my understanding is when I started talking to groups
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  Speaker 1: of people doing a lot of public speaking is that
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  Speaker 1: I was just meeting folks from all over the world,
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  Speaker 1: primarily in the US, but I've spoken all throughout the
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  Speaker 1: world and just understanding that there's so many different ways
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  Speaker 1: to experience healing and recovery and engagement around your experience
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  Speaker 1: with mental wellbeing and needing or wanting to find happiness
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  Speaker 1: and foundational satisfaction right and and you know especially for
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  Speaker 1: men who who want to i'm not speaking about all
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  Speaker 1: men but many men want to take a an orientation
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  Speaker 1: around managing their own problems for sure right and just
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  Speaker 1: trying to solo things yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Being strong and masculine and i can do it Right. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that society says that men should be able
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  Speaker 2: to figure things out on their own. Yeah. Like in
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  Speaker 2: the 50s at least or even before our parents generation.
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  Speaker 1: But if you look at the body. Right. When it
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  Speaker 1: comes to working out, when it comes to actually building strength,
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  Speaker 1: if you're just oriented around building up, you know, your
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  Speaker 1: arms or your legs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Without stretching beforehand. For sure. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Or like I'm also a culprit here too. Like I'm,
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  Speaker 1: I could be better about stretching and balancing things out. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you're not giving yourself an opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: be flexible.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And elastic. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Around stuff, you're going to expose yourself to potential injury.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same thing with the mind.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Build up that flexibility and resilience.
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  Speaker 2: And the brain is a muscle just like your biceps are. Yeah. Yeah. No,
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  Speaker 2: men don't. I don't think of all men think of
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  Speaker 2: it like that, but they think about the gym. They
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  Speaker 2: think about the cold plunge. They think about the sauna, right?
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  Speaker 2: But they're not thinking like, oh, what do I do
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  Speaker 2: with my brain?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, something that was really helpful for me is understanding,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because we've talked about resilience a lot, is
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  Speaker 1: understanding the nature of cognitive resilience.
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  Speaker 2: Explain that. Yeah, I like this.
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  Speaker 1: So the general idea is if you think of your
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  Speaker 1: brain as a muscle and your goal is to improve
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  Speaker 1: its optimal function, it cannot run at full speed all
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  Speaker 1: the time. What it needs is an opportunity to run
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  Speaker 1: on a high-octane basis with optimal cognition. It means your
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  Speaker 1: critical thinking is just firing on all cylinders. You're able
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  Speaker 1: to think fast. You're able to make decisions. You're able
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  Speaker 1: to really think through and architect solutions. You can't do
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  Speaker 1: that 24-7. What you need to do is then give
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  Speaker 1: yourself an opportunity to rest the brain. And if you're
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  Speaker 1: experiencing trauma or you're experiencing adversity or the opportunity is
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  Speaker 1: to recover from that. So treat your brain as you
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  Speaker 1: would treat your muscles and give it an opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: rest and recover. This is why I love meditation practices.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we both do as well.
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  Speaker 1: Right, okay. So for me, the big thing I found
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  Speaker 1: recently that's been awesome is, and I started with TM,
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  Speaker 1: starting four years ago, I started with a transcendental meditation practice,
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  Speaker 1: found it amazing. And then I found binaural isochronic theta
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  Speaker 1: state meditation. Where I was, you know, listening to six
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  Speaker 1: Hertz on headphones and going through a meditative exercise. And
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  Speaker 1: I found it to be deeply relieving for me, like
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  Speaker 1: in terms of just having the stress wash away and
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  Speaker 1: then coming out of it in a hyper-focused state.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And I have different meditative practices that I like,
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  Speaker 1: but this is the one that I do as part
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  Speaker 1: of my daily practice. Nice. Big fan of Kriya meditation
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  Speaker 1: as well. There's some others. That's breathing. It's more so
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  Speaker 1: breathing exercises than it is meditation, but it is meditative
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  Speaker 1: in a way. So the idea of cognitive resilience is
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  Speaker 1: enable your brain to achieve restful states and be bored.
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  Speaker 2: Because why?
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  Speaker 1: Because it enables your brain to function in optimal ways
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  Speaker 1: and be creative.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true.
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  Speaker 1: And being bored gives your brain an opportunity to basically rest. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Find a baseline. I found a lot of healing through
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  Speaker 1: service work. I discovered service was particularly healing for me,
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  Speaker 1: starting teaching a financial literacy class at San Quentin prison.
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  Speaker 1: And that ultimately segued into doing mental health advocacy work,
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  Speaker 1: working with young people. I found that working with young
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  Speaker 1: people in the prisons was very healing for me. It
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  Speaker 1: became clear that helping create solutions and programs and service
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  Speaker 1: initiatives that engage people earlier on in their life could
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  Speaker 1: help pull them into a resilient way of thinking, ideally
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  Speaker 1: with high agency, like I said. So that was kind
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  Speaker 1: of the journey. And then we created... Wow. The PIM
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  Speaker 1: product we launched, you know, at this point during the pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: And now we help, you know, at this point, hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of thousands or more people. So it's been really, really
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  Speaker 1: eye opening.
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  Speaker 2: You said something that really stood out to me when
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  Speaker 2: you said acts of service or giving back helped you
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  Speaker 2: kind of heal some of the trauma around the grief.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I totally relate to that. I lost
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  Speaker 2: my dad three years ago. So sorry. Yeah, thanks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was very lost and confused as well. Not confused.
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  Speaker 2: I just felt this new feeling that I hadn't felt before.
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  Speaker 2: It was very challenging for me. A couple years after
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  Speaker 2: he died, I started volunteering at a camp for kids
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  Speaker 2: who lost a loved one. And I've done this back-to-back
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  Speaker 2: years now. And it's been very helpful for me to just,
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  Speaker 2: not only for my own grief, but to watch and
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  Speaker 2: support them and give them the love. And a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them lost their parents. And so maybe the words
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  Speaker 2: that I wish I had received. And so for me,
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  Speaker 2: I find that grief is continuously evolving for me. Every year...
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  Speaker 2: It starts to look different. I'm still like early on,
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  Speaker 2: only three years. I know you're a lot more years out,
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  Speaker 2: but what have you learned about your grief in the
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  Speaker 2: early years and then to today?
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  Speaker 1: Well, in the early years, it was something that I
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  Speaker 1: rushed through and I now realize that I've rushed through
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  Speaker 1: processes and I need to revisit that grieving. This is
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  Speaker 1: something that relative to the spiritual practices over time, it's
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  Speaker 1: become very clear that there are actual methods to not
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  Speaker 1: rushing grief integrated within various religious practices and the like.
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  Speaker 1: And so I was oriented so towards showing up for
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  Speaker 1: other people, especially in the months following, that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: take care of myself. And that led to kind of
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  Speaker 1: a spiraling issue and led to all sorts of unhealthy behaviors.
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  Speaker 1: coping mechanisms and so forth. It wasn't just sad. It
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  Speaker 1: was a combination of things. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And as you, as you started to get into therapy,
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  Speaker 2: as you started to realize that some of the things
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  Speaker 2: you were doing were unhealthy, what are some of the
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  Speaker 2: things that you did that actually made your grief shift?
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  Speaker 2: You said giving back, were there things that people told
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  Speaker 2: you advice that maybe you wish you had in those
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  Speaker 2: first couple of months or years? Is there things that
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  Speaker 2: maybe people that are grieving now just advice to some
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  Speaker 2: people that might be going through something?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, the older I get, the less
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  Speaker 1: advice I take.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Um, You know, I kind of hear some of it
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  Speaker 1: and then I just selectively filter for what's working for
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  Speaker 1: my model. And I probably need to revisit that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My stubbornness around it. I mean, a key thing was, hey,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you should stop drinking alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: That was part of it. And then there was a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things. Stress will kill you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And resentment will kill you. Yeah. Resentment is very much
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  Speaker 1: oriented around, you know, a recovery process.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But then the stress thing. Yeah. That and take care
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  Speaker 1: of your heart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're expanding upon that, take care of your organs.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: Treat them with respect and love. And then the other
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  Speaker 1: thing is just like slow down time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So habituation speeds up our perception of time. Or if
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  Speaker 1: you think back to your experience in childhood versus adolescence
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  Speaker 1: versus young adulthood and, you know, middle age, whatever you
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  Speaker 1: want to call it. The process of time changes from
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  Speaker 1: a perception basis. And that's a process you can reverse.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a couple elements to that. One is habituation.
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  Speaker 1: If you're completely habituated towards doing the same thing day in,
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  Speaker 1: day out, which, you know, we have work and we have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, various things taking, you know, if we have kids,
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  Speaker 1: we take them to school and we, you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: things that are habituated throughout the day. If you have
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  Speaker 1: mindfulness around the progress of time and you're able to
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  Speaker 1: find opportunities to engage novelly with life, it can be
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  Speaker 1: the same elements, but you can engage novelly with different mindsets,
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  Speaker 1: different ways of thinking. You can embrace the passage of
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  Speaker 1: time in different ways. And so that slowing of time
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  Speaker 1: is something that for people who can find appreciation in
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  Speaker 1: living life well is an experience that can be honed
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  Speaker 1: and developed and matured.
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  Speaker 3: I love that slow down time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What a beautiful reminder.
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  Speaker 2: Growing up, your dad was my dad's favorite actor, one
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  Speaker 2: of them, which is kind of surreal for me to
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  Speaker 2: be here. We're only like six years apart, which is
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  Speaker 2: still kind of crazy to think. But I grew up
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: watching Mrs. Doubtfire, Flubber, Hook, Patch Adams, Good Will Hunting
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  Speaker 2: is my family's favorite movie. The list goes on and on.
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  Speaker 2: So we'd love to have you blind rank these 10
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: movies that we list out. We're not going to tell
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: you the next movie coming up, but you have to
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: put them one through 10.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Start with Hook.
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  Speaker 2: Six.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Hook is six.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like you've thought about this already. Jumanji.
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  Speaker 1: Seven.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Seven. Wow.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Six, seven.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Six, seven.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: You like that?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Aladdin.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Eight. Eight. Six, seven, eight. Okay.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Good morning, Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: One. Whoa!
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: That's one? I was not expecting that.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: But you know what? I get it. I'm not going
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: to say no.
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  Speaker 1: Mrs. Doubtfire. Five.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that would have cracked top three.
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  Speaker 3: For you, Ben.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it's like heavy one.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: For our generation. Yeah, our generation.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: That came out.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, this is one of the ones that hits my heart.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: August Rush.
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  Speaker 1: Not ranked.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Not even ranked.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I love that movie so much.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I asked for it.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I know it's a random one.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: You want to give me 10?
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: No, but you know what I did? Instead of August Rush,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the movie we took out was Birdcage. Four. Nice. The
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: generation above loves Birdcage.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Patch Adams.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Eight? You already took eight.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: You had eight. Nine, nine.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: You have nine, ten.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Nine. Not a fan. Okay.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: No, not even. Unranked. Unranked?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Sick Kids? There's others out there.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: All right, well, this list isn't going away. We're going
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: to have empty ones.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Flubber.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Not ranked. Unranked!
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: We wanted to.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: The problem is that we're... We're picking moves from our generation.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Well, now.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Our ranking is going to be a little empty here.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell... They're going.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: To tell us your other ones.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay, fine.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Dead Poe Society.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Two. Two!
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Nice. So, Good Will Hunting.
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  Speaker 1: Three.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Is three. There we go.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: So, let me tell you what you don't have. What's
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: your four?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Your four was Birdcage. Your five was Mrs. Doubtfire. Your
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: six was Hook.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Seven, Jumanji.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Eight, Aladdin.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: What are your nine, ten?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Fisher King and Awakenings.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Nice. I haven't seen those. Amazing.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: You should see both.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, so list again. Go, Kev.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: So your number ten was?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Awakenings.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Number nine?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Fisher King.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Number eight was Aladdin. Number seven was Jumanji. Number six
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: was Hook. Number five, Mrs.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Doubtfire.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Number four, Birdcage. And then we had Good Will Hunting
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: at three. Dead Poets Society at two. And number one.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Good Morning Vietnam.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Hold on. I can't. No, no, no. How can Good
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Will Hunting not be above Dead Poets Society?
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Because Dead Poets Society was very early in my life.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And it just impacted me in a very profound way.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Good Will Hunting is incredible. I'm not trying to judge
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you for that. Sorry.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I want to hear more about how
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it impacted you.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a film about the angsty youth.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: And then Good Will Hunting is a natural progression of that.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: And depends on any given.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: There's other films there like World According to Garp, which,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, an outstanding movie.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Is there any movie that you watch of your dad's
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: that makes you feel close to him the most?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because I kind of separate me spending time
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: with him as a son and the time we spend
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: together versus him as an actor. Relative to that, there's
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: films that I see Closest to his personality, you know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and I kind of rank in accordance with that.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: What would be the personality of Vietnam feels like?
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Him as a young person.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: It's a lot.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: How electric is that? Yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Good morning. Good morning. Vietnam for me is one of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the finer films of the 20th century.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It is my dad's favorite Robin Williams movie.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like that movie is what people I think of
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: that generation talk about as one of their favorite movies
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of his. Yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: So like your top three, Good Morning Vietnam, Dead Poets Society,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Good Will Hunting are the three you felt like embodied him,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: actually your experience of him as well.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Different aspects.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, each one kind of represents a
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: part of him.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: What do you think it is about your dad that
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: lit up so many people in the world?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, he cared so much about folks. You know, he
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: loved humanity and that was what he was all about
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: in terms of his charity work and showing up for
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: people and seeing that time and time again express itself
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: in so many acts of kindness and love. That's who
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: he was.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: The service.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: And he lived that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But so naturally.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: You know, that's just, it's just who he was.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: So PIM.
• 23:00
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• 23:01
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• 23:02
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• 23:08
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• 23:13
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• 23:17
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• 23:21
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• 23:41
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• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Wow. Zach, thank you for coming on. Zach, thank you
• 24:56
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• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my pleasure.
• 24:58
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• 25:37
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• 25:40
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