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FITNESS BENCHMARK TESTING - WHY IT MATTERS | MindSets Podcast | Episode 66 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode reminds it
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  forecast obviously joined by Charles how are we today I'm.
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  Very good. Thank you.
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  How are you? I'm not great, I'm jacked up.
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  I'm absolutely jacked up. My back is fucked top and
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  bottom. I don't know what it is.
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  I realized the other day because I got up in mourning and I was
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  bending over doing something and I put my left hand on my knee
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  and I was stood there for ages and I was like.
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  I'm an old man, I'm 28 so. In natural response I decided to
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  ignore that for a little bit longer and bought pre workout to
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  make my workouts more motivated rather than actually just fix my
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  body and be able to move. So I'm so excited to do that.
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  But yeah, I probably will get it looked up because I fucking hate
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  this. But on a more positive night,
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  more positive things are happening in the.
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  Sporting world, lots of positive things.
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  Yeah, go go ahead. You've got a stack of.
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  Things. I do have a stack of things.
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  The women's rugby to start with, yeah, England's Red Roses made
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  the final, that's this Saturday. They played France.
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  They've basically been dominating all of their games
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  and they've got so many unreal players.
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  So what could possibly happen? Women won the EUR and now the
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  England ladies could win the World Cup.
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  Well we well the England win England 9S has won the World Cup
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  as well previously. Was that the World Cup?
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  No, no, that was the that was the year we won the World Cup as
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  well two years ago. Mate, So they're all going
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  back-to-back. At what point do we just cancel
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  funding for the men's teams mate?
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  How good we'd be if they had the funding of the men's.
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  Teams, mate, that's the yeah, yeah.
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  OK, cool. And then so if you're interested
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  in that and you want to go see it live, if you're based around
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  London, it's Twickenham, Twickenham 27th Head over there,
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  go do some shouting, go watch some winning.
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  Yeah, for sure. I didn't realise that Canada
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  went any good at rugby because they're the other team in the
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  final do. You know what?
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  It's interesting because a lot of people give American slack
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  for wanting to play rugby. Yeah, I was at Loughborough, as
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  you know, and Penn State came over on rugby tour, women's
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  rugby and absolutely slapped the shit out of Loughborough women's
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  racket. Wow.
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  Like, embarrassingly so. Interesting, isn't it?
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  So yeah. They're actually not bad over
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  there. It's the contact sport is still
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  there I guess. What else is going on?
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  I sent you a reel. There's a guy whose name I have
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  forgotten. Perfect German bloke who took on
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  his first ever high rocks. What was really interesting
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  about it is he's a professional runner, so he runs 5K in 13
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  minutes, 31 seconds, which is pretty much the exact same as
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  the women's world record, but it's like 40.
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  Seconds. Yeah, it's elite level.
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  So yeah, really elite level. He's actually hoping this season
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  to break into the elite 5K runners worldwide, so he decided
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  to take it on as a bit of an offseason challenge.
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  The thing is that was interesting is obviously he's
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  going to nail the runs. The stations is going to be a
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  problem. So I had a look at his splits.
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  Any idea what you reckon he was running his one KS around?
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  I it's unfair because I, I know his overall time, so I can
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  probably make an estimated guess.
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  I reckon he was, he was running three, the high three 30s.
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  Cool. So we'll we'll go through this
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  the same way everyone else. So everyone else needs to know I
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  I thought he'd go still go sub hour because I knew his running
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  would probably still be so fast. Again, to to run like A33013315K
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  you're running like 2-2 minutes, 30 something.
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  You mean it's 40 something per kilometre, which is just mental.
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  So I thought if his runs are even remotely close to that then
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  he'll have so much time to use stations he doesn't.
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  Need doesn't matter if he's bad. He'll still go sub hour.
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  That'll be really interesting what actually happened.
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  He did an hour and 14 minutes. So it was a big difference.
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  And I was like, oh, maybe he got got by the compromise running he
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  did, but not by anyone else's standards.
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  He he averaged 310. Oh my God.
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  His fastest run was a three O 1 and his slowest run was a 317.
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  Was the three O 1 his first run? No, no, it wasn't.
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  I think, I think because this was Maastricht, I think all of
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  the runs were pretty much the same.
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  So yeah, he, he's 3/17 was the slowest run and that was after
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  the burpees. The problem was the burpees took
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  7 minutes and then the Wool Wars I think he took like 9 minutes.
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  My guy. Yeah, my guy.
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  So yeah. Do you know what I'm.
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  I'm relieved. I'm pleasantly surprised
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  actually because it's the way that the sport's trending is
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  trending towards runners and it's just a run of sport.
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  So who can run the fastest? Because the sleds aren't now
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  heavy enough to really affect any of the fast boys or fast
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  girls. So there needs to be some sort
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  of, I don't know, change in in weights or additional weights on
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  the sled to make it even harder for the runners to be good at
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  it. And I don't know if the new
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  carpets going to make the sleds more slick.
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  And as a result, it's even better for runners.
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  So it's kind of still pleasantly surprising that someone of that
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  elite ability of running can still be tripped up by the.
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  Don't you think though? I was going to say, yeah, yeah,
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  give him 12 weeks and see proper coaching.
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  Yeah, because I did see, I did see a couple of videos of how he
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  moves and it's not particularly efficient on any of the
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  stations. So if you can shore that up a
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  little bit, then. And and again with like the
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  whole thing of racing strategy and pacing and understanding
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  when to rest, when not to rest and sort of thing.
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  Like, and that was his first race literally.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So it's still actually quite impressive.
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  Obviously the running was insanely impressive, but I would
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  be interested for him to do more.
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  He probably won't though, because he's he actually has a
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  chance of being one of the world's best ever 5K time, so he
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  probably isn't going to turn his head around at high rocks just
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  yet. But yeah, interesting
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  experiment, yeah. I've got more things I've
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  actually just remembered. You see that, Fred Curly has
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  said he's going to do the enhanced games.
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  Yeah, I sent that to you, didn't I?
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  Yeah, And my response to. You is a little bit interesting.
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  I said. I don't think it's going to
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  change much. And what I meant was he is
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  actually under review at the moment.
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  Yeah, for taking performances, Avengers anyone?
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  Or what? Might as well, Yeah, I might as
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  well get paid for it if I'm going.
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  To if I'm going to do it, but it is interesting to see that more
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  and more like top level athletes, people like household
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  names in the world of sprinting are going to start moving across
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  to the enhanced game. It's going to become the retired
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  league. I think so, yeah.
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  Because I like they're going to be faster than the Undertire.
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  There was a British swimmer as well, I think, announced that he
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  was going to go and do that. I can't remember his name.
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  But staying on the topic of athletics, it's been the world
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  champs over the last couple of weeks, which has been all
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  consuming for me. The big ones, if you haven't
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  watched any of the world champs, I'd go back and rewatch the
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  women's 3000 meter steeplechase final, which sounds really
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  niche, but it was like one of the most exciting races I've
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  ever seen. And everyone fell over and
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  everyone fell in the water and it was, it was really good to
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  watch really fast time. The other one, Keely Hodgkinson,
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  ran in the 800 meter final. I won't do any spoiler alerts.
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  What I will say is that was one of the most stressful races I've
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  ever watched. Like for just for sitting in
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  front of the TV for just two minutes, it was stressful
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  because obviously she's I think she's been in now 4 consecutive
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  major finals through Europeans worlds, Olympics, that kind of
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  thing. So she's had a really good run
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  of it. She's obviously reigning Olympic
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  champion. She was going in hot favor.
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  They went out so hard. Like the commentators are like,
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  this seems a little bit suicidal.
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  They ran through, and this might not mean anyone anything for
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  people who don't know much about track running, but they ran
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  through 226 seconds. They ran through 400 in like 54
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  seconds, which I think would have qualified some of the girls
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  for the four hundreds final or at least like the semis.
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  And then they're getting round to about maybe 200, two, 150 to
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  go. Keely's still on the front and I
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  think in her head she's gone far.
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  This is fast. I need to kick now, otherwise
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  I'm going to get left and dust. So she kicked with 250 to go,
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  and then you just see her down the home straight and the wheels
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  just start falling off. She managed to.
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  And managed to potentially not die.
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  You don't know what happened. I'm not going to.
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  Tell you what happened there. The other really exciting one,
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  and this will be the last thing I talk about athletics, was the
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  men's 1500 meter final. So you had three Brits going in
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  it. You had Neil Gaudy, you had Jake
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  Whiteman, you had Josh Kerr. Josh Kerr, reigning world
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  champion Jake Whiteman won the World Championships in Oregon I
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  think in 2022. I think then we were kind of
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  denied the opportunity to watch Jake and Josh run head to I
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  think Neil Gaudy won the British champs, so they were all in like
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  flying form, Yakubinga Brits and hadn't made it through the
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  heats. The reigning world champion,
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  Olympic champion, Cole Hocker, he had been disqualified in the
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  heats for pushing. And then their favorite was
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  Niels Laos, who's this Dutch kid who's rapid amazing.
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  They all went out so hard as well.
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  Josh Kerr got boxed in. And then I'll you just go and
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  watch. It was a really good final to
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  watch. Joe I, I think this is the
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  really annoying thing from my perspective.
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  I used to absolutely love watching the athletics world
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  gems and especially like the Olympics on live TV and I've
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  grown up because of the whole TV license thing.
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  The TV license to watch anything live, whether that's YouTube
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  even I've just like it's been not watched it difficult.
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  Yeah, because I'm obviously a legal abiding citizen that never
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  would ever stream anything illegally.
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  But just like it's not as convenient as just switching on
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  the TV and having it and I I hate that because I used to act.
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  I used to camp out in front. Of the TV yeah or or refrain to
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  say that this was all on the. BB this is on the BBC with a
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  paid for TV license. Yeah, of.
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  Course the the the main problem I had this year was because it
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  was in Japan, it was in Tokyo. Just the timings are a bit
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  weird. So if you're at work you can't
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  watch it through the middle of the day.
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  Luckily I don't have a job so I can wait your eventual.
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  Come and Read is a professional podcast.
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  Is so you can just sit in front of the TV all day and and watch
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  the world champs, which was it was really, really good.
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  Yeah, I think it's a bit sad actually now because technically
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  we're in autumn. I know.
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  So is that Sunday sport? Yeah, the first day of autumn,
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  The. Summer of sport has technically
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  come to, I know, but in more positive news, what does that
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  mean? That means that we're getting
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  closer and closer to the 12th of October total of October.
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  What a what a segue that you've caught me off guard.
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  Yeah. And and you aren't ready for
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  that. So 12th of October is the rocks
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  SIM Hyroxim. So we for those of you that
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  maybe didn't listen a few episodes back, we hosted Hyroxim
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  down at Unit 9. ALMS deeply successful.
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  Yeah, it was. Really.
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  Kind of annoying me. So nothing went wrong.
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  Yeah, that was really fun. So we're doing it again by
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  public popular demand and it's on the 12th of October.
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  But if you're interested then do you know what there'll be a link
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  in the description. Go ahead get your tickets.
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  You can do it double S solos, you can do pro open, whichever
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  you prefer. If it's you've never done a
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  higher ox race and you kind of want to see what it feels like,
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  this is exactly a higher ox race.
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  We can safely say that the people that were competing last
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  time got some went faster than their previous time, some went
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  slower than their previous time. So we know we are super
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  accurate. Yeah, like it.
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  It is. Completely replicable.
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  And we will boast about the fact that we have all of the
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  stations, so we have real sleds. We do push ample, push ample.
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  And yeah, so you will come away from that knowing exactly where
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  you're at, and you will be able to enjoy as much, to enjoy
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  hierarchs. And we're gonna have good vibes
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  and we'll both be there. And so and tickets are already
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  live. Tickets are already live so.
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  Do do go through? Because with the way that we run
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  it, we don't have like a group system where we send 20 of you
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  off at a time. You go off one of a time or one
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  pair at a time. So tickets will go and those
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  slots will fill up. So I wouldn't be slow in making
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  a decision. Get one, find a friend, do it
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  with them, do it on your own, whichever, and we will see you
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  there. Now on the point of that, the
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  reason for doing this in the 1st place, go ahead, it's your
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  favorite thing. Well, I wouldn't say it's my
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  favorite thing, but it's it's never the other benchmarking and
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  testing your fitness to give you a little bit more data to help
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  kind of guide your training and help you improve and make your
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  training a little bit more efficient.
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  And that's the reason why you do a simulation slash.
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  You just want to have a good time and have fun.
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  That's allowed too. But using the simulation and the
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  results that you get from it and the data you can take from it to
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  figure out how you might guide your training over the next X
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  amount of weeks. The beauty with the one that
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  we're doing on the 12th, I think it was, I can't remember what I
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  said yesterday, but it was like it was enough amount of weeks
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  away from London High rocks. I think it was 7.
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  Seven weeks, I think you're right, yeah.
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  Or six or seven weekends before London High rocks.
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  So if you're racing in London, well, that's the the race you've
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  got your eye on. There's definitely enough time
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  off the back of that SIM to make some tangible changes, to make
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  sure that when you get to the start line in London, you've
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  done everything you can to put yourself in the best position
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  for getting the the best time possible.
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  And one of the things we talk about a lot actually is race
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  experience. Yeah.
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  And I think one of the things that you can get from some other
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  simulations that I've done is you can learn that you paced
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  yourself wrong. Not necessarily if it's not the
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  exact same as a hierarchy. In the context of well, I've
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  paced my lunge is wrong, which has ruined my wobbles because in
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  some simulations they don't do them quite the same way and
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  might be a static sort of lunge rather than a walking one which
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  uses a bit more balance. Or you might not get all of the
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  run between the and. So you're not really seeing the
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  same level of fatigue where I. I think that like the the main
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  one definitely is the really specific fatigue that you feel
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  off the back of the LED, whether that's push or pull, that if
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  you're not actually incorporating that into your
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  training or you're not having the opportunity to see what that
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  looks like at race intensity on the day, that will slap you in
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  the face, especially if it's your first time racing.
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  Realistically, even even for people that have raced quite a
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  lot, the danger area is the sleds for sure.
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  You you can. Oh yeah, you just ruin your
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  race. That's the hardest part of the
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  race. If you know you have done the
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  sleds to your correct pacing and the rest of the race is kind of
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  the game and you can start playing Ollie Russell, who's now
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  an Elite 15 double S pair with Charlie Bosher.
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  He says that the race for him starts from the rowing machine.
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  He steadies himself through and then the rowing machine is where
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  he settles himself. And then the back end is where
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  he starts racing and pushing himself the first bit.
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  And you can actually look at his races.
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  The splits are so consistent for the first part up to the rowing
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  machine and then the difference comes after.
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  That's on how he how fatigued. So yeah, it's a, it's a good way
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  of figuring that out and actually being able to push
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  these sleds, feel that resistance and fatigue and learn
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  how to pace that a bit better is massive.
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  But one of the things that's interesting about benchmarking
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  is, I mean, I have not been quiet about the fact that I hate
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  it. I absolutely.
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  I want to know from your perspective what you think are
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  the best ones to be doing, but also I want to know from your
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  perspective as an athlete, what do you think is worse?
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  Oh, here we go. A1 mile test run, a 5K run, a 5K
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  ski or a 2K row. These are getting weirdly
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  specific. Do you know what there?
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  Sorry, or an FTP on a bike. OK, there's lots of options
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  there. There's lots to depict.
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  The thing I I like that you say is that you actually actively
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  dislike testing. And the reason why you dislike
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  testing is because it's painful and it's difficult and you have
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  to push yourself really hard. My other, my other like tag on
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  top of that is that I don't feel like I can train.
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  Like it fatigues me so much that then I don't feel like I can
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  just get back in. Training, So that's, that's
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  interesting and that's why you have to be tactical with when
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  you are doing your benchmarking and when you're doing your
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  testing. If you're doing a SIM the
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  weekend before you're racing your high rocks, obviously
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  that's an incorrect time to do it because you won't have enough
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  time to recover. That's why you want to do your
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  testing at the beginning of your block.
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  So say you've got 12 weeks, that's when you benchmark and
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  then you do 8 to 12 weeks of of training typically before you
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  retest. Now in the context of high
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  rocks, if you do your benchmark as your simulation and then you
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  get all of the data from that, you probably don't need to then
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  retest until you get to the day of your race.
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  When we're talking about all of these test metrics that you've
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  just given me, let's say that's out of context of high rocks.
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  That's just in your general training.
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  That might be offseason training.
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  That could be in your accumulation phase or your
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  intensification phase in your training block that that will
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  actually be retested because otherwise you won't see if
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  you've made any tangible progress.
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  But let's break those down. I can't even remember the list
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  of those you said. If we talk about.
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  You could choose one between these two, but for the running,
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  yeah, it was a 5K run test or a one mile run test.
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  It's so hard to compare the two because the the intensity is
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  always relative. So if you do them to your best,
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  your ability, when you get to the end, you're still going to
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  feel as horrible as probably you would either one of them.
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  So if you flat out mile or flat out 5K, you get to the end.
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  Obviously those flat outs are relative.
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  You get to the end and you still feel absolutely smashed just
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  because the 5K is going to be a lot longer than doing your one
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  mile a couple of minutes versus like 10s of minutes.
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  I would say that you're having to withstand the discomfort for
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  longer in the 5K, but because of the the adaptation and the
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  intensity in the one mile that sensation during it is probably
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  more painful. But I only have to withstand it
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  for. Because I'd say the 1st 2K of a
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  5K, you're kind of OK, yeah. And then the last, because you
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  know you're at the end, even though it's painful, you can
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  deal with it, but it's like the 3 1/2 to 4 1/2.
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  So is that actually pretty much still like a mile that it hurts?
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  Yeah. So that's I'm I'm I'm I'm
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  tending towards saying that the mild is probably more painful.
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  OK. I think, I think probably the
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  same because I think the speed at which you would go off a bit
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  like you were saying about Keely when you're in the 800, like
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  it's going to take you 400 meters, if that to realize fuck,
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  this is hard. I don't know if I've got this.
• 18:22
  And with a 5K, you typically don't go off at a speed where
• 18:25
  you then immediately start questioning about this or not.
• 18:28
  You might be like. Having having a background in
• 18:31
  speed and speed running like 400 meters the the pain you get
• 18:37
  doing those sorts of efforts is just like UN unlike anything
• 18:40
  else. And more recently, I've done
• 18:42
  longer running 5 KS and I've tested those recently.
• 18:47
  And yes, it's, it's horrible when you're doing it, but I
• 18:50
  never get to the end and like holding my head because my head
• 18:53
  is throbbing. And you get that really sick
• 18:55
  sense that you might feel a little bit sick.
• 18:57
  But after 400 meter training or probably a mile effort lying on
• 19:01
  the floor, feet in the air and that feeling of the lactic just,
• 19:04
  and there's no position that you can lie in that makes you feel
• 19:07
  better. And you roll onto your back and
• 19:09
  it's, it's still as bad and you roll onto your side and it's
• 19:11
  getting worse. And then you go on all fours and
• 19:13
  it's even worse. And you try and stand up and it
• 19:15
  just progressively gets worse. And then it it like
• 19:18
  compoundingly gets worse over the next like 10-15 minutes of
• 19:21
  you trying to recover. You don't really get that off
• 19:23
  the back of a 5K just because the intensity is so high.
• 19:28
  So between those two, I'd say one mile.
• 19:30
  It'd be really interesting to know what people think and also
• 19:33
  like sort. Of thing to put in the comment.
• 19:34
  And like the running community who has way more experience than
• 19:37
  those testing in than I do. But then if we, if we look then
• 19:40
  at some of the other disciplines that we've mentioned notorious
• 19:42
  2K row, 5K ski, an FTP on a bike.
• 19:46
  So again, we we spoke about it in the episode with Roscoe, but
• 19:49
  an FTP on a bike is your. Functional threshold power.
• 19:53
  Of course, way in future, I know there's threshold power, but
• 19:56
  I've got a functional bit. You do 20 minutes, pretty much
• 20:01
  the Max effort in terms of watts on a bike.
• 20:04
  And then your average is your FTP score and you can use that
• 20:06
  for training. So yeah, I mean, if we quickly
• 20:10
  drop in again, those guys on the Tour de France.
• 20:12
  There's like a power to weight ratio weight in kilos, power in
• 20:15
  watts. The guys on Tour de France can
• 20:17
  hold six to seven times their their body weight in watts,
• 20:20
  which is actually mental. And the thing The thing is as
• 20:22
  well is like, I immediately was like, wow, they're holding 700
• 20:25
  watts. No, they don't weigh 100 kilos.
• 20:26
  No, so it's actually kind of more absurd when you start
• 20:30
  thinking about it. These guys weigh 6570 years,
• 20:34
  some of them and they're putting down 400 plus watts is.
• 20:38
  Nuts. Yeah, I think like you say, the
• 20:41
  guys on the Tour have that that weight to what ratio?
• 20:45
  Only a handful of like 6 or 7. Like Lance Armstrong in his peak
• 20:50
  when he was on as much gear as you can think of, he was like
• 20:53
  pushing close to 7 watts per kilo.
• 20:55
  And I think Tarry Pergacha now is on similar numbers.
• 20:59
  Let's. Save that what you will.
• 21:02
  But like only a very handful of them are riding at that those
• 21:05
  kind of numbers. The, the thing I'd say with
• 21:09
  because again, the stimulus and the, the sensations that you
• 21:13
  feel across all of the different machines and when you're running
• 21:16
  a very, very different and very specific to that machine.
• 21:19
  And the thing I'd say about doing a test on a bike, yes, an
• 21:22
  FTP is a really, really savage test.
• 21:25
  But the savagery is like the legs burning and then obviously
• 21:30
  you get a little bit of lungs when you're on the ski in the
• 21:32
  row. It's like all-encompassing
• 21:34
  everything in your whole body. Same with running really.
• 21:37
  And I think running probably jacks your heart rate up the
• 21:40
  most out of all of them. But on the bike, you have the
• 21:43
  ability to actually just like settle in and just start to
• 21:45
  process the pain a little bit better because your upper body
• 21:48
  is doing nothing. I think you get that like
• 21:50
  calmness in the upper body, which mentally helps you, I
• 21:54
  don't know, endure the pain a little bit more.
• 21:57
  And in the duration of like the 20 minutes, yeah, your legs do
• 22:00
  start to burn, but it's not like you're doing Max out sprints on
• 22:03
  the echo bike, which is again, a whole nother another
• 22:06
  conversation. So I don't want to say that the
• 22:09
  FTP is an easier test because it's not.
• 22:11
  They're all probably equally as difficult if you're putting 100%
• 22:14
  effort into it. But I'd much prefer to do an FTP
• 22:17
  than a 2K row, and I'll probably put 2K row at the top because
• 22:21
  that's just something that that even now thinking about it makes
• 22:24
  me feel a bit nervous. I think because I've, I've
• 22:27
  obviously done 5K ski with you, which is something we'll talk
• 22:29
  about with like the process of benchmarking to improving that
• 22:32
  and how to train. But I have done the 2K row.
• 22:37
  I'm trying to think if I've done it twice, I'd definitely done it
• 22:41
  once because I remember being on that particular floor in peer
• 22:43
  gym in Epsom and then you bottled it for the retest.
• 22:47
  Didn't want to do it again. You might as have done it twice
• 22:49
  if you didn't have to have done it yes, and I think I I did
• 22:52
  improve. I've got in my head that I did
• 22:53
  the first time I did it I did 631 and then the next time I did
• 22:57
  it I was like 627, which wasn't that much but of of an
• 23:01
  improvement and then and then I'm now thinking I don't really
• 23:04
  vividly remember. I don't really remember the
• 23:06
  retest but like who would want to do it anyway because Grimm.
• 23:10
  But I I also find the 2K rotor so funny because how quickly you
• 23:16
  can bend yourself to the point where you like you said you
• 23:19
  can't stand no position makes it better and like your whole body
• 23:23
  just goes and shut down and I could feel it two days later.
• 23:25
  Yeah, the thing that like gets me overwhelming more than
• 23:29
  everything. It's just like the lactic in my
• 23:31
  forearms and my grip. It's just like so painful to
• 23:35
  keep holding onto the handle. Like nothing else is bad apart
• 23:38
  from that. So just like having to deal with
• 23:41
  the lactic in your forearms, your grip hurting your lungs,
• 23:44
  just shouting at you, the heart like right up in your chest.
• 23:47
  And I think the last time I did a 2K block, I did it on the ski
• 23:51
  egg and when I retested that was the highest I've ever seen my
• 23:56
  heart rate. And I've got my chest strap
• 23:58
  connected to the PM 5 and I'm seeing this, the heart rate go
• 24:03
  from like high one 80s, which I've I've seen that frequently
• 24:08
  in my training. And then it keeps going And
• 24:10
  usually it stops around the high one 80s.
• 24:12
  And then I like give up because it's too painful.
• 24:14
  And then it just kept creeping up, creeping up.
• 24:16
  I saw like 190 and I'm like, here we go to the point where I
• 24:19
  wanted to stop, but because there are people in the gym
• 24:22
  around the ski screaming at me. I was like, OK, and can't stop
• 24:25
  now. And it was 191.
• 24:28
  We're getting to like the last 200 meters, 192 we're creeping
• 24:31
  up to 193. I'm like, I'm probably going to
• 24:33
  die like this is this is the jet where I die and like that's just
• 24:38
  yeah, pain that. And and then that was no, that
• 24:41
  was actually the start of the block.
• 24:42
  That was my benchmarking and my goal was to go sub 7 and it was
• 24:47
  700.1. So I was just like and that and
• 24:53
  I just, that was the most I'd push myself in probably ever on
• 24:58
  the skier and to the point where I was like, there's no point in
• 25:02
  me doing this block because I am not retesting.
• 25:04
  I just I'm I will never do a 2K testing.
• 25:07
  You're not supposed to sandbag either.
• 25:09
  So you, like, you can't really. Yeah.
• 25:11
  You you kind of have to muck yourself and then admit that
• 25:14
  you're going to do it again. Yeah, that's hard.
• 25:16
  Yeah. And that's that's mentally why I
• 25:18
  hate testing. Yeah, that's why now it's so
• 25:20
  difficult and there's so much like prestige around 2K testing
• 25:24
  in the in like the world rowing, Because once you've experienced
• 25:27
  it once, you know what that feeling is to then make yourself
• 25:31
  go and sit back on the rower and test again.
• 25:33
  That's that's nothing to do with your physical.
• 25:35
  That is purely your psycho. And you're like, I'm willing to
• 25:38
  do this. Part of me, part of me is like,
• 25:42
  yeah. Yeah.
• 25:43
  But then when it actually comes to doing it, every excuse in the
• 25:47
  but I would be the longest warm up.
• 25:49
  Oh, I don't have time. Yeah, it it takes 6 minutes, 6
• 25:52
  minutes on the Angus. I don't know or you.
• 25:54
  You start even because I've had this previously when I've been
• 25:56
  testing 2K row, you start and some of my clients also the same
• 26:01
  and you kind of oh, you're settling in.
• 26:02
  You like OK, we've done 500 meters.
• 26:04
  Now we're getting to the business end and it starts to
• 26:07
  hurt really about 800 meters in and you've still got 1200 meters
• 26:11
  to go and that 1200 down to 800. There's kind of like 400 meters
• 26:15
  in the middle. It's like that's pretty dirty.
• 26:17
  And then it starts to just ramp up, ramp up, ramp up.
• 26:19
  If you can get to 500 meters to go, you're home and dry.
• 26:22
  You just have to hold on for everything you've got.
• 26:24
  But to get from 1200 down to 800 seems like such a miniscule
• 26:28
  amount of meters, but that's where the majority of people are
• 26:32
  bottling it because it's so painful and you've got.
• 26:34
  Like it's. Taking.
• 26:36
  It's taking so long, like the the worst bit about that.
• 26:38
  And this is what I always found when I was like doing planks
• 26:41
  when I was younger, I discovered how bad planking was.
• 26:43
  When you really go for it is like, you'll do the thing where
• 26:46
  you're like, I'm not going to look at the time.
• 26:47
  Yeah, So I'm not going to look at the distance, not going to
• 26:49
  look at it, Not going to look at it.
• 26:52
  OK, I've I've done enough stroke here.
• 26:53
  I deserve I deserve one look. OK, I've done 30 meters.
• 26:56
  Like literally it just doesn't move a needle.
• 26:59
  Doesn't. Move.
• 27:01
  Let's talk about this. I did something.
• 27:03
  Well, I was about to say really interesting.
• 27:05
  It's probably not interesting to anyone.
• 27:08
  I was doing some Zone 2 training the other day and I was bouncing
• 27:12
  between the C2 bike, the rower and the skierg.
• 27:15
  The C2 bike was like 5:00-ish minutes, just easy pace.
• 27:19
  That was my opportunity to drink water, do my thing, recover a
• 27:22
  little bit. And then it was 1K row, 1K ski
• 27:26
  on repeats. And what I did after my first
• 27:30
  maybe 2 efforts, I covered the monitor on the ski and I wanted
• 27:33
  to see if I could get just intuitively 1K on the dot just
• 27:38
  from the feel of the strokes, counting the strokes, my
• 27:41
  breathing, my heart rate. I didn't have the clock on the
• 27:42
  wall, so I don't know how long I've been doing.
• 27:45
  It's funny because I was skiing and I was counting my strokes.
• 27:47
  I was like, it feels like I've been doing this for a long time,
• 27:50
  Like longer than like 4:00-ish minutes, 4 1/2 minutes, which is
• 27:53
  kind of the pace I'm skiing at. Finish Pulled the T-shirt off
• 27:57
  1025 meters. Pretty good.
• 28:00
  That's that's pretty good. That's.
• 28:01
  Like the pool hire with handshake.
• 28:03
  Yeah, fair enough. That's very cool.
• 28:05
  And it's like, it's a really good challenge.
• 28:06
  And I'd, I'd like to see if other people had the intuition
• 28:10
  to be able to do those kind of distances because I, it's like a
• 28:13
  TikTok trend or an Instagram trend where it's like, see if
• 28:15
  you can run 1K exactly. I don't know if you've seen
• 28:18
  people doing that. People do like 5K runs.
• 28:20
  And see if you can stop banging. Exactly on it what was really
• 28:24
  annoying I last year. So in my old job a girl I used
• 28:28
  to work with is is a rower. Great rower and she had seen
• 28:32
  videos of me training with you and had been like, you're
• 28:34
  wrapping me sorting out. So she was kind enough to
• 28:37
  actually come along. Coach must be useless.
• 28:39
  She's kind of knocked out to come down one day and like help
• 28:42
  me out with it and then help me out with the technique.
• 28:44
  And it was really good. And at the end I was like, OK,
• 28:46
  well you're obviously a lot better at rowing than me, but
• 28:49
  can we play a game? I want to do the game where you
• 28:51
  cover the monitor and you have to get to 100 meters closest
• 28:55
  wins. And I was like, we'll do the
• 28:56
  best three. First time, she's like, I've
• 28:59
  never done this before. This is great.
• 29:00
  Yeah, 100 meters. Yeah, wild.
• 29:03
  Second time, I got 9800 meters. She got really nailed it.
• 29:08
  Yeah. And I was like, go for three for
• 29:10
  three. And she, she did it.
• 29:12
  Wow, that is impressive. It was.
• 29:13
  It was. It was so annoying.
• 29:15
  I'd like I'd like to know if someone who is a rower if she
• 29:18
  was counting strokes or just intuitively she knew.
• 29:21
  Her reaction said that she just stopped.
• 29:24
  It happened to be right. But I imagine that she's deep
• 29:28
  down because she rose. So, I mean, she's she was most
• 29:30
  of the time when I was coming to work.
• 29:32
  And people don't realize this goes on behind the scenes for
• 29:35
  people that are into like rowing and other sports like this.
• 29:37
  But she would come into work. I'd be like, you should be like,
• 29:40
  yeah, pretty tired. But you row this morning.
• 29:41
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. What did you have?
• 29:44
  Oh, we had three by 30 minutes on on the rowing machine. 3 by
• 29:49
  30 yeah as well. When you think about sitting on
• 29:50
  a rowing machine for 30 minutes, that's the wrong time.
• 29:52
  I try not to do that. But then doing 3, avoid three of
• 29:56
  them with a 5 minute resting. Yeah, they're doing 90 minutes.
• 29:59
  It's, it's really interesting because and like again, we, we
• 30:01
  can talk about this and I'd love to talk about this for the whole
• 30:03
  day, but one of my clients, he goes to Union, the states
• 30:08
  College in the States. And he was trying out for the
• 30:11
  college rowing team and just looking at some of the tests
• 30:14
  that they've been doing and the intricacies around stroke rate
• 30:18
  and, and different sorts of things in power and speed and
• 30:20
  endurance. Like it is wild.
• 30:22
  And there's so much importance and prestige held around the 2K.
• 30:27
  And if you can row 2K, well then you're probably making the first
• 30:31
  team 8. And like some of the boys who
• 30:33
  are getting selected for that top team are like no one is
• 30:36
  rowing slower than 615 / 2 K and like.
• 30:39
  For for people that don't haven't done one and don't have
• 30:41
  context, that is insanely yeah, like ridiculous and like.
• 30:45
  It's not unusual for people to be rowing sub 615.
• 30:48
  I think sub 6:15 is also like the standard.
• 30:51
  Like if you want to be on Team GB, you have to have a 2K erg
• 30:54
  under that. Lots of them are getting close
• 30:57
  to 6 minutes. There'll be some of the really
• 30:59
  big boys who like go sub 6. I've forgotten what the world
• 31:02
  record is. The world record is 5.
• 31:03
  It's 5 as I'd imagine it's probably somewhere in the five
• 31:06
  40s. It's like.
• 31:07
  Who's brother that's got it? I'd imagine it's a rowing
• 31:10
  specialist. There's a guy called Big Phil 90
• 31:12
  on Instagram. Is he the guy?
• 31:14
  He's my hero. If you don't follow Big Phil 90,
• 31:16
  he's just also he does a lot of like, power output on the ski
• 31:19
  erg. And to get a sense of how big,
• 31:22
  big Phil is, he's like, he looks over the top of the ski erg when
• 31:26
  he grabs the handles and like, you're a tall guy.
• 31:29
  Yeah, yeah, I'm like, you're not.
• 31:30
  No, he's he's a monster. So this is the guy that
• 31:33
  basically tries to row with his low stroke rate as possible and
• 31:37
  just rips the handle out of the thing.
• 31:39
  Is that him? I'm sure some of his trainings
• 31:42
  like capped rate because. Like, you know, because I've
• 31:44
  seen a guy who managed to row under a 110 per 500 meter split
• 31:50
  with a stroke rate of under 20. Wow.
• 31:52
  Yeah, I mean that could be him, but he is like a a large man.
• 31:55
  The bigger you are for that kind of thing, the better.
• 31:57
  Sure. And but like you, we go down the
• 31:59
  rabbit hole of them, the world record for the marathon row.
• 32:04
  I, I don't want to be misquoted, but that is like a ridiculous,
• 32:07
  ridiculous pace. It's like 140 is probably
• 32:09
  average, maybe faster. For a marathon ski, it's 142.
• 32:13
  Horrible, horrible. She's insane.
• 32:15
  Yeah. And then you look at the
• 32:16
  technique of it though, and it looks far more like Nordic
• 32:19
  skiing, which is probably a was curious.
• 32:20
  Yeah, designed. It's got like his feet clipped.
• 32:22
  Here, and none of this butterfly.
• 32:23
  God, we need to talk about roller ski.
• 32:27
  Well, what what we need to do though is obviously what happens
• 32:30
  after a benchmark is the training to actually improve
• 32:32
  because it's all well and good doing a test this week and then
• 32:34
  knowing you don't have to certainly 8 weeks, you might as
• 32:36
  well make it worth it. And when we were doing a 5K
• 32:41
  block where some of the other boys that I trained with were
• 32:43
  doing rowing machine and you were basically leading this for
• 32:46
  us, I was doing the ski. The glory days.
• 32:49
  The glory days. So I was doing the ski and it it
• 32:51
  varied in terms of what I noticed was going on and you can
• 32:56
  confirm or deny whether that was going on was on a weekly basis.
• 33:01
  We would do essentially 2 bits of homework, which would be two
• 33:04
  sessions and one of them would be I would notice would be like
• 33:09
  a higher intensity, shorter interval and the other one would
• 33:14
  be a longer interval. Not as long as the entire 5K,
• 33:18
  but a longer version of an interval sort of 2K at a time
• 33:21
  with a longer rest but not necessarily as fast.
• 33:26
  And the interesting thing was that each week the total volume
• 33:31
  amount increasing so that it basically I was doing more of
• 33:35
  it, which I noticed was making my stroke on the ski way more
• 33:40
  smooth. And I felt and the people that
• 33:44
  know a lot about those machines will think about the catch like
• 33:47
  when you're starting the flywheel spinning again, you
• 33:50
  start to time that better with the when when you pull.
• 33:53
  And that is a huge thing. And I know now if I got on a
• 33:56
  ski, I haven't been skiing again enough recently to feel
• 33:58
  comfortable in catching the catch moment every single time.
• 34:01
  Whereas when I was doing whatever it was 3 by 2K and then
• 34:07
  I think it was 8 by like 650 in the same week.
• 34:10
  I'm obviously doing so much there where I'm also thinking so
• 34:13
  much about getting the getting my pace.
• 34:15
  I'm trying to be as efficient as possible.
• 34:17
  I'm really being smooth. It becomes so much more
• 34:20
  intuitive. And I think this is all what
• 34:22
  what I'll say now is it's all very specific to that 2K block,
• 34:26
  but you'll have got a lot more out of that in like the first
• 34:31
  block you did because your discrepancy and technique you,
• 34:35
  you close the gap between like what your technique was
• 34:39
  originally to where you had nice technique which was much more
• 34:42
  efficient. Whereas because you now have
• 34:44
  good technique on the ski erg for you to make such a large
• 34:47
  improvement over 2K would be much harder.
• 34:50
  And the faster you get, obviously the same with
• 34:52
  anything, the harder it is to get those incremental gains.
• 34:54
  But what we were trying to do across those sessions, and like
• 34:58
  I said, this is specific to 2K, you probably have three
• 35:00
  different things you look at. You've got speed, endurance and
• 35:03
  power. I think maybe over the course of
• 35:05
  eight weeks, we did 2 power sessions where it was like we
• 35:08
  worked in watts and it was basically like 90% of your 10
• 35:14
  second Max output of watts. And you did that maybe 20
• 35:18
  efforts. If you missed the target watts,
• 35:21
  you rested a whole extra effort before you recover again.
• 35:24
  And it's like that's, that's like the the probably the least
• 35:27
  important, but you do need to develop explosivity and power,
• 35:31
  especially over 2K, which is sounds like a lot and a long
• 35:35
  time to sit on a on an erg, but it is actually like a relatively
• 35:38
  short distance. Yeah.
• 35:39
  Well. Those those power sessions as
• 35:40
  well, the 10 seconds, the 10 seconds is nothing.
• 35:43
  The amount of time that I'm spending talking now is nearing
• 35:46
  10 seconds. I've we're now doing it.
• 35:48
  Ever felt more sick? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:50
  Even though like most of the time I'm resting, the rest just
• 35:53
  went so quick. Well, this comes back to like
• 35:56
  the the one mile versus 5K. Yeah, like the shorter you go
• 36:00
  doesn't necessarily mean it's easier.
• 36:01
  It's just like that explosive power and energy system you use
• 36:05
  creates so much waste product, lactic acid, that your body just
• 36:09
  really struggles to remove it. And that's the sensations or the
• 36:12
  symptoms you get of that is the feeling sick.
• 36:15
  But the majority of our time we spent on the 2K was between
• 36:18
  endurance and speed. So like a speed endurance
• 36:21
  session, I get in trouble for saying that those words
• 36:23
  together. But speed, endurance, and those
• 36:25
  were the things where we were doing closer to like I'd say a
• 36:31
  total session. You're a mounting a lot more
• 36:34
  distance than just 2K, but the efforts themselves were shorter.
• 36:38
  So you mentioned the 6:50, another really classic session
• 36:42
  is like 10 by 500 off 1 minute and trying to stay as consistent
• 36:45
  as possible across all of the five hundreds.
• 36:47
  I'm pretty sure we did that or 8 to 10 efforts at 500, but
• 36:50
  similar that where we can develop speed and we'd be using
• 36:54
  your average pace from the test minus X amount of seconds,
• 36:58
  probably 3 to 5 seconds. So you're actually rowing faster
• 37:01
  than test pace and everything that we're doing is try or
• 37:03
  skiing rather, or everything we're doing is trying to make
• 37:06
  the pacing feel more intuitive. So when you do come to retest,
• 37:10
  you have a little bit more feeling and, and and like an
• 37:13
  inherent pace. So this is a bit of AI guess a
• 37:18
  confession, but when I do, when I have done work on the ergs and
• 37:23
  that's that sort of focus where I'm looking over a period of
• 37:26
  time and I go, OK, that was what the benchmark benchmark is or,
• 37:30
  or even I know I'm roughly around there because I haven't
• 37:32
  done my best. I don't want to.
• 37:34
  I would quite like to be here. I think that is quite sensibly
• 37:37
  achievable. If I'm on a Nerg, I'd be like,
• 37:38
  I'm going to take. I mean, what we did for the ski
• 37:42
  with me last year was we want to take 3 seconds per 500 meters
• 37:45
  off. So 30 seconds over, which is a
• 37:48
  big jump. The 5K which is which is quite a
• 37:50
  big jump. Please say I did it but we then.
• 37:54
  Like a lot of that is attributed to your improvement in
• 37:57
  technique. I want to say that, yeah, yeah,
• 37:59
  yeah. No, no, no doubt, just to caveat
• 38:01
  that. But then, but then when it comes
• 38:03
  to running, and I feel like a lot of people look at this in a
• 38:06
  different way. I don't know if you do because
• 38:09
  you program it and you coach it where you do your own 5K test
• 38:14
  and your own 5K test and then you would say, OK, I want to be
• 38:19
  30 seconds quicker in eight weeks.
• 38:21
  Whereas what I would get guilty of doing is I want my 5K time to
• 38:25
  be that. So I need to train.
• 38:28
  You're not necessarily at that pace, but I need to be training
• 38:31
  for that rather than I need to train this differential.
• 38:35
  I think that's like the way that the that people's minds are
• 38:38
  wired, especially like people who are inherently competitive
• 38:42
  and want a certain time. It's like I want there's certain
• 38:45
  benchmarks like sub 25K or a sub three hour marathon seems to be
• 38:49
  the big one at the moment, but it's really difficult and like a
• 38:52
  dangerous trap to go down or like going sub seven on a 2K
• 38:55
  row, for example, as a benchmark, what's what would be
• 39:00
  a more healthy outlook and probably a more effective way of
• 39:04
  training over time is going, hey, I want to improve on this
• 39:08
  block. One second improvement is an
• 39:11
  improvement, 5 seconds improvement is an improvement, a
• 39:14
  whole minute, but it's like just try and improve over the block.
• 39:17
  It's probably the best way to look at it rather than having a
• 39:21
  target pace based off a time that you want to achieve.
• 39:25
  But I know it's really difficult to not reverse engineer that
• 39:28
  where you go. I want to run 1850 / 5 K.
• 39:31
  That's the speed I need to be able to run at.
• 39:33
  So here's the paces that I'm going to run at and.
• 39:35
  What's your thoughts on essentially doing, let's say I
• 39:40
  did a 5K run, but rather than making it horrible for myself
• 39:44
  and saying I'm going to do a 5K test Max effort, what if I said
• 39:48
  I'm going to do a 5K test at a particular heart rate cap?
• 39:52
  So for me, let's say I start to cross into my zone 5 like 165
• 39:59
  BPM. So I could say I'm going to do a
• 40:01
  5K but I'm not going to allow myself to go above 165.
• 40:03
  I can sit at 165. If I go just above, I have to
• 40:05
  come back down. And then I do my block and train
• 40:08
  against that. What's your thoughts on that
• 40:10
  versus doing a Max effort as a benchmark and then training?
• 40:13
  And it depends because if you want to use heart rate data as
• 40:16
  your metric for the block, which, and this is something we
• 40:20
  discussed with Roscoe when he came on and we're discussing
• 40:22
  triathlon training and Iron Man training, because a lot of that
• 40:25
  training is done in specific heart rate zones.
• 40:29
  If you want to work heart rate zones, then I think it's
• 40:31
  obviously you do your metric in. In a heart rate zone.
• 40:34
  I don't love it as much because it's not a true representation
• 40:38
  of your actual Max ability. I'd much prefer you to just bury
• 40:43
  yourself in your test. That way we know we have like a
• 40:46
  true representation of your best effort on that day.
• 40:50
  And then we can, I mean, we can still extrapolate heart rate
• 40:53
  data from that. But for running and work
• 40:57
  especially, I much prefer basing off pacing.
• 40:59
  I think that's fair as well because as much as I would love
• 41:01
  to do the suggestion that I had like you have a shit night's
• 41:04
  sleep and your heart rate just doesn't respond in the same way.
• 41:08
  And the the reason I ask is because I know there are certain
• 41:11
  higher athletes that would do full Sims with a heart rate cap
• 41:15
  and compare those because they can they then don't sabotage the
• 41:18
  rest of their training. But if that's to impair the.
• 41:21
  2:00 Well, it just depends on on what that session's designed
• 41:24
  for. Is it like this is actually our
• 41:25
  benchmark testing? Because if they were going to do
• 41:27
  a benchmark test, for sure they're not doing that at a
• 41:29
  heart rate cap. But it is interesting to see and
• 41:33
  like heart rate data is so underused and like such as a
• 41:36
  great tool for training and one of the really fun benchmarks to
• 41:41
  do in your training as a test to see if you're making like
• 41:44
  tangible progresses. An hour in zone 2 just running
• 41:49
  and over time, as you get fitter, you'll be able to run
• 41:52
  faster at that same heart rate. That's your like your zone 2
• 41:57
  capacity improving, your aerobic capacity improving.
• 42:00
  So maybe you start the block and over the hour you run nine and a
• 42:03
  bit K and your heart rate was still in zone 2.
• 42:06
  But by the end of 8 to 12 weeks worth of training you can now
• 42:09
  run just over 10K or 11K but with exactly the same heart
• 42:13
  rate. But like you say, so many
• 42:14
  factors influence your heart rate, so you've just got to have
• 42:18
  your environment the same as much as possible when you test
• 42:21
  and retest. Yeah, OK.
• 42:23
  Because yeah, all of that points towards what we said we were
• 42:28
  doing in the 1st place, which is the Hieroxim to figure out, you
• 42:31
  know, it's a way to test in that specific situation how your
• 42:35
  body's going to respond and you can break it down.
• 42:37
  And that's one of the beauties of Hierox is you, you have the
• 42:40
  set distances and you can take your splits away.
• 42:44
  You can work it. And if, if for example, I know
• 42:46
  one of my weaker things in my races has been lunges, I can do
• 42:49
  a block not quite in the same way because it's not as aerobic,
• 42:51
  but I could do a block for lunges and I could check my
• 42:53
  time. Likewise, I could then have done
• 42:56
  that, go into the SIM and see, come on, London's have improved.
• 42:59
  But actually what hasn't improved in my general fitness
• 43:02
  is my burpees. So we're going to have to do a
• 43:05
  bit more focus over the next show and weeks before London on
• 43:07
  the burpees so. Yeah.
• 43:10
  And that's that's that's how the majority of the training that we
• 43:14
  through rocks deliver for all of our clients is very specific
• 43:19
  towards actual blocks. And then there's so many
• 43:22
  elements that you need to improve.
• 43:23
  You need to be better. Maybe strength with let's use
• 43:27
  lunges as an example, you need to improve your unilateral
• 43:29
  strength, so single leg strength, all sorts of different
• 43:31
  ways of doing that. But then also you need to be
• 43:33
  able to improve your efficiency of the movement.
• 43:36
  You need to be able to improve your ability to handle the
• 43:38
  lunges under fatigue. Typically when we do that for
• 43:41
  our clients, give away some secrets, we'll typically do the
• 43:44
  compromise sessions or I call them interference sessions on
• 43:47
  the bike. So we're not adding excess
• 43:49
  loading and volume to like the impact on your joints because
• 43:53
  you're running so much anyway in the week.
• 43:55
  And then we will have a test metric, whatever that session
• 44:00
  happens to be, some burpees or some lunges and then something
• 44:03
  on the bike X amount of times, X amount of rounds.
• 44:05
  And then we'll see if you can improve on that time over the
• 44:07
  course of eight weeks. But if you're struggling in
• 44:10
  terms of understanding how to put that training together by
• 44:13
  yourself or an effective training plan, that's when you
• 44:16
  need to jump on with a coach and and discuss it with someone who
• 44:19
  has experience doing it. Yeah.
• 44:21
  OK. Plug rocks.
• 44:22
  Plug rocks. And, and even if, even if let's
• 44:25
  let's be sensible as well, like if, if you have a coach or even
• 44:29
  if you don't, but you're looking at your program ahead of your
• 44:31
  races or, or how you train ahead of your races, then I guarantee
• 44:35
  you every coach would love you to be able to do a full SIM in
• 44:37
  some way without it costing you £120 though to a different
• 44:41
  country and figure out, figure it all out there.
• 44:44
  So yeah, look forward to seeing you.
• 44:46
  Basically, I think the pitch is, the pitch is pretty solid.
• 44:48
  And we actually, we, we didn't necessarily do the whole
• 44:51
  benchmarking thing for that, but I think it is a really
• 44:53
  interesting point. And we're at that point in the
• 44:54
  season where for hierarchs athletes anyway, it's kind of
• 44:59
  all kicking off in the UK next month.
• 45:01
  But generally with other sports as well.
• 45:03
  Like I've got a lot of friends that do things like rugby and
• 45:06
  because the winter sports are coming back into play, even
• 45:08
  though they play rugby and you wouldn't think necessarily they
• 45:11
  need to do their benchmarking. I know one of them is super keen
• 45:13
  on doing the aerobic benchmarking with a row.
• 45:15
  Because he's a forward, he has to not leg drive and he knows
• 45:18
  that he still has to use his body as well.
• 45:20
  Well, lots of teams use. I don't know if you've heard of
• 45:21
  the Bronco, but it's a famous test in rugby where you're
• 45:24
  running. It's basically shuttles and
• 45:26
  intervals and most rugby teams, whether it's the Bronco or
• 45:29
  something else, will have a metric to go.
• 45:32
  This is where your fitness is now.
• 45:34
  This is like match level fitness we need you to be at.
• 45:38
  If you're not at that, you're not going to get selected and
• 45:40
  then you need to maintain that fitness across the season.
• 45:42
  Like every single sport has some sort of testing and metric.
• 45:45
  Yeah, but we we're going to move into.
• 45:49
  We have to, we have to move on. Charles actually this week, but
• 45:52
  on his story I need grind my gears.
• 45:58
  So yeah, do you want to, do you want to kick us off?
• 46:01
  Now off that story, I did post it up so if you guys want to get
• 46:04
  involved ever and grind my gears, you can find us on social
• 46:07
  media and and and send some things in, but I'm going to
• 46:09
  start with one of my personal ones.
• 46:11
  OK now I I forgot to say it last week, it was one of the ones I
• 46:16
  wanted to say last week because it's been on my mind for so
• 46:18
  long. But people not being able to
• 46:22
  move the cardio machines in the gym now you laugh.
• 46:27
  You laugh this tirelessly just destroys my soul every day I'm
• 46:34
  in the gym. Like I see someone move the CTC
• 46:38
  2 bike by the seat. Now when you pull the seat up,
• 46:42
  there's no resistance on it. So you know OK guys we need to
• 46:45
  grab out machine any machine. They go for the C2 bike, they
• 46:49
  approach from behind and they pull the seat straight up and
• 46:53
  you that fucking jarring noise of it, like ticking all the way
• 46:56
  up and they pull the seat out and I'm like, but they never
• 47:00
  learn pull from the front man. It's got wheels on the front
• 47:03
  kickstand in the front of me. It's just I I could go on for.
• 47:07
  I'm trying to stay. Oh geez, that have known Charles
• 47:10
  for a while, We'll know that he used to have a real on his
• 47:12
  Instagram about how to move in a fan bike.
• 47:15
  Be careful, because I can't. Yeah, it was in the Soul bike.
• 47:18
  It was in the Soul bike, so yeah, you basically go round to
• 47:21
  the front, you put your foot on the front, you tip it up until
• 47:23
  it's on the wheels and then you can push it.
• 47:24
  It's really easy to. Drive from the handles, yeah,
• 47:27
  which got reposted. Actually, it got shared again by
• 47:30
  Assault Fitness, did it to clarify that that is the correct
• 47:35
  way to move it. And Even so, I was getting
• 47:37
  trolled in the comments being like, that's that's going to
• 47:39
  break the handles. But even though Assault Fitness
• 47:42
  have gone, yeah, this guy is clearly, he clearly knows what
• 47:44
  he's doing. Move it from the Yeah.
• 47:46
  So Echo bikes as well as Salt bikes, people don't understand
• 47:49
  how to move them. People.
• 47:50
  Put the rowers away with the screen still up people.
• 47:53
  That one though, that one though, for me, I I get that you
• 47:56
  can push the screens down, Yeah. And then the like.
• 47:59
  It doesn't seem to make any difference.
• 48:02
  So it depends if you're storing them against the wall, because
• 48:04
  if you roll them up against the wall and the screens out, you
• 48:07
  just get smashed into the wall. And then also one which is less
• 48:11
  of a bug bearer, but people when you store the rows up, leave the
• 48:15
  handles still in the cradle. That's quite normal.
• 48:20
  Yeah, for sure. And I understand that.
• 48:22
  But it's over time if you keep the tension on the on the chain,
• 48:26
  you lose some tension. So it's it would just need to be
• 48:28
  serviced more frequently. So you just need to unhook that.
• 48:31
  That's a less of a bug, but just the biggest.
• 48:33
  It's less of a grinder. It's more of like just an ick.
• 48:36
  If I went to the gym and I saw someone and they couldn't move
• 48:39
  the machines, I'm like, you're done, Red flag.
• 48:41
  We're not many partners anymore. I'll see you later.
• 48:43
  Yeah, we're not anything anymore.
• 48:45
  You are. You are not in my life anymore.
• 48:47
  You're so done. I'll come in with one of mine
• 48:49
  this week so I actually as as some people will recall if
• 48:55
  they've got a good memory from the Roscoe episode.
• 48:57
  I was filming Roscoe do his Iron Man this week.
• 49:00
  Shout out to shout out Monday podcast.
• 49:02
  Absolutely smashed it. Quite a few of their boys were
• 49:06
  doing the 70.3 on the Sunday as well which I wasn't there for.
• 49:09
  But in the Iron Man, the three of them, Jay finished first of
• 49:14
  the three of them. I think he finished in like 10
• 49:16
  hours, 37. Joel, that's awesome.
• 49:19
  Joel finished 1054, so also when?
• 49:22
  Sub 11 Sub. 11 And then Roscoe came over in 1118.
• 49:26
  Which is also amazing. Also like such a solid time.
• 49:29
  I think one of the things that was really impressive though was
• 49:32
  as much as Jay and Joel might have gone faster than Roscoe,
• 49:34
  Roscoe is the only one that ran a sub 4 hour marathon really off
• 49:37
  the bike. Oh sweet.
• 49:38
  Another thing that I will give them all credit for is I think
• 49:41
  if they had done it at most other Iron Man's they would have
• 49:44
  gone significantly quicker because the way that the course
• 49:47
  was set up, the transition zone was mental.
• 49:51
  I did see some some footage, so it's David.
• 49:55
  Ganser right, competitors. And the way that the transition
• 49:59
  had been set up was give or take, you get like between half
• 50:03
  a meter and a meter per bike hanging up.
• 50:05
  So bear in mind you have all the bikes, then you've got the bags
• 50:08
  and then you've got actually getting out of the water. 3000
• 50:11
  bikes, three lanes. That means 1000 bio.
• 50:13
  OK, fine. Along this straight road and if
• 50:17
  you if you say yeah let's call it 700 meters of just bikes 700
• 50:22
  meters of just bikes and then you've got 100 ish 150 meters of
• 50:25
  just bags and then you have to get out of the water and run the
• 50:28
  length of the beach that's another hundred 200 meters they
• 50:31
  each time they had to do transition they were running
• 50:34
  more than 1K big rocks and I can I can yeah big rocks head I can
• 50:38
  vouch for that because I'm unfortunately.
• 50:40
  You're filming, I'm. Filming, so I had to follow one
• 50:43
  of them through run back, follow the next one through, run back,
• 50:45
  follow the next one through. But no, they all did really
• 50:48
  well. Lovely, lovely day for it.
• 50:50
  It was actually quite hot. So I don't know if it actually
• 50:54
  helped or not. He was quite well prepared
• 50:55
  Roscoe for his race. But when he came off the bike he
• 50:58
  was covered in salt on his shorts and I was like, you need
• 51:00
  more salt tabs. So yeah, he went out on the run
• 51:03
  but smashed the four hour, the four hour marathon and went
• 51:07
  under that. And yeah, they all did really
• 51:09
  well, but. Yeah, what's your grind my
• 51:11
  gears? Grind my gears.
• 51:13
  Just shout out Roscoe. For those of you that also
• 51:16
  remember that I somewhat fucked up Roscoe's filming at the T100
• 51:19
  with the finish line in that I wasn't there and which sucked, I
• 51:25
  made sure that I was there for this one.
• 51:27
  Obviously very important. Arguably far more important than
• 51:30
  I man, and always going swimmingly well.
• 51:34
  Unfortunately though, there was a bloke in front of Roscoe who
• 51:38
  crossed the line and decided to just hog the entirety of the
• 51:41
  camera space. And I've actually started to
• 51:44
  realise that I've seen this happen quite a few times.
• 51:46
  People cross the line and the main character energy is so high
• 51:50
  that they just do anything. And as an example of this was
• 51:53
  going on when Roscoe wasn't finishing as well.
• 51:55
  And I did still get the shot of Roscoe, but this guy is in it
• 51:57
  being a bit annoying. There was another bloke who
• 52:01
  crossed the line ahead of about five other people crossing the
• 52:03
  line, stood on the finish line which kind of blocked the finish
• 52:08
  line from anyone else finishing. Took his shoe off, put his shoe
• 52:12
  up to his head like it was a phone and pretended to call
• 52:15
  someone, right? And then that was it, like.
• 52:18
  No, that's hard. I don't know if he was supposed
• 52:20
  to like put the phone down because he'd like broken his
• 52:22
  target or something. But tell me he ran a really slow
• 52:25
  time. I didn't even see his time
• 52:27
  because the other five had followed through so at that
• 52:29
  time. But then what it was he was
• 52:31
  there for so long and it was so awkward that the the guys that
• 52:34
  you know, every single person gets announced as so and so's
• 52:37
  name. You are an IMAT.
• 52:38
  They were running through these five people, and he'd been there
• 52:41
  so long that they were like, nobody's calling, get out of the
• 52:44
  finish line. And I was like, you're such a
• 52:47
  mug. Yeah.
• 52:48
  Frustrating one another. Another interesting thing about
• 52:50
  that whole situation. There's like 20 people that give
• 52:52
  out medals. There's not that many people
• 52:54
  finishing it. No.
• 52:55
  Yeah, yeah. So I was thinking like, wow,
• 52:57
  they've slightly overstaffed for this.
• 52:59
  But what goes on is, I didn't realize you get given your medal
• 53:03
  and you're chaperoned out of the finish area.
• 53:05
  Oh, really? So the person that gives you a
• 53:06
  medal takes it, removes you. Oh, wow.
• 53:08
  And so that's why they need so many years.
• 53:09
  There's just these constant cycle of moving people out.
• 53:12
  And it's partly because a lot of people will then collapse on the
• 53:14
  floor and not start fuelling straight away.
• 53:16
  And so they get taken into it. Oh no, I would be if, if, I
• 53:19
  would be so upset if I'd got the whole way to the end of my Iron
• 53:23
  Man and crossed. Line and I didn't get like a
• 53:25
  photo of me finishing the line because so many people missed it
• 53:27
  standing there with their alpha flow on their own yeah literally
• 53:30
  there's so many people who have missed that I mean it was kind
• 53:32
  of quite sad yeah it was I now need like a post race
• 53:35
  celebration. Well, this is here you go I've
• 53:36
  got as good as that so good. This one's it.
• 53:38
  I'm going to do both shoes at the same time.
• 53:40
  I'll be I'll be there with the camera.
• 53:41
  I'm just not going to take a single photo of you.
• 53:42
  That's perfect. If no one else gets 1, you force
• 53:45
  me to buy the the official photos.
• 53:47
  That's perfect. That's perfect.
• 53:49
  So yeah, that, that's my main. One.
• 53:52
  Yeah, that's a good one. Should we keep going again?
• 53:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. This one's been sent in and I'm
• 53:56
  going to keep them anonymous, OK?
• 53:58
  Saying on the theme of of machines and ergs, people who
• 54:02
  jump on the ski erg. This isn't your type, this is a
• 54:08
  technique thing I. Don't need to say anything more
• 54:10
  than that, just jumping on the skier gear that grinds my gears.
• 54:14
  I think that's more of again, an ick than AI.
• 54:16
  Think they're the same thing aren't they really?
• 54:17
  An ick and a grinding my gear. I, I I had someone write in this
• 54:21
  week. This is London specific so
• 54:24
  people that go to work with wheelie bags as their like work
• 54:28
  bag which you said you'd not seen.
• 54:30
  For I've not seen that. I I used to assume that was
• 54:34
  people like. Going on holiday?
• 54:36
  Not a nicer on holiday, but maybe on a work trip because I
• 54:38
  still work, dress smartly. Yeah.
• 54:40
  Then when I was working in this office in London, I did notice
• 54:43
  that some people would have these bags in work and it would
• 54:45
  be everyday and I'd be like OK, you're not travelling from
• 54:48
  somewhere, you are actually using this as a.
• 54:50
  Work. But is this because they can't
• 54:51
  be bothered to carry a backpack or like curse?
• 54:55
  Yes, quite. Literally.
• 54:56
  And wow, that's just severely lazy.
• 54:58
  Yeah. And not be able to put something
• 55:00
  on your back. So yeah, No, I know.
• 55:03
  Yeah. I.
• 55:03
  Mean I haven't seen that, but no, I agree with that.
• 55:06
  I don't like laziness. The other line thing that this
• 55:09
  this one's this one can be I don't know if I should say this.
• 55:14
  I don't like I don't like it when people don't tuck their
• 55:17
  shirts in when they're playing golf.
• 55:20
  Oh. Oh wait, did sorry, did you say
• 55:23
  this one was sent in? No, it wasn't me.
• 55:25
  I have shirts which like. No, don't tuck.
• 55:29
  No, it's golf course etiquette. Literally they don't tuck.
• 55:32
  Not long enough to tuck. Yeah, a longer one.
• 55:34
  Yeah, fine. Pull.
• 55:35
  Your trousers are high. Yeah, Simon Cowell.
• 55:38
  Yeah, for sure. Nice.
• 55:39
  We don't need to spend much longer on that one.
• 55:41
  And I've I've got loads, but you go I was.
• 55:43
  Going to say, I've got one this week, which was from a girl
• 55:47
  called Millie who is absolutely sick to death of the influencer
• 55:52
  trend, which is unfortunately I do love because all of the
• 55:56
  things they love are the most generic things that everybody,
• 55:59
  well, not everybody, but the same type of people always love.
• 56:02
  So it's like I unfortunately, I do love having three matches a
• 56:05
  day. Unfortunately, I do love a 9:00
• 56:07
  PM bedroom. That's not the one.
• 56:09
  Stop using this trend, which is supposed to show things that you
• 56:12
  shouldn't be doing as like. But unfortunately I'm super
• 56:15
  healthy. I'm amazing like.
• 56:18
  It's like you, you know when you go for a job interview and
• 56:20
  they're like, what's your biggest weakness?
• 56:22
  And you go like, Oh, my biggest weaknesses that I work too hard
• 56:26
  or I'm too popular. Although do you know what?
• 56:28
  Fuck off with that question. Yeah, I'm not exposing myself,
• 56:31
  no. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to lie
• 56:33
  either way. I, I genuinely think I've said
• 56:36
  my, my best compromise for not giving a really cringe answer to
• 56:39
  that, but still like giving a cringe answer to that is I'm not
• 56:42
  very good at recognizing when I should ask for help.
• 56:45
  Basically saying if you don't help me out, I could fuck
• 56:48
  everything out. But I'm actually just really
• 56:51
  good, so I really help much. You should go back with that.
• 56:55
  Let me ask you the same question.
• 56:56
  What would you? Say yours is.
• 56:57
  I need some inspiration. This one again not really
• 57:01
  fitness related, but adults who ride push scooters.
• 57:04
  You know, like a microlight scooter.
• 57:07
  No scooters. Like when you like you have some
• 57:09
  not like the electric one. It's quite.
• 57:10
  Funny when I I used to watch the gadget show when I was younger
• 57:12
  on Channel 5 and they used to do like grits just top scooters and
• 57:16
  I used to be like oh that's so sick why don't people in London
• 57:18
  do that now as a person in. London I completely No self
• 57:22
  respecting adults should ride a scooter.
• 57:24
  No self respecting. Electric scooters are OK.
• 57:26
  Still like them as well. But yeah, this, I mean, this is
• 57:29
  this one's even worse. But like, actually, no, I, I, I
• 57:34
  can't do that one. I'm going to go straight into.
• 57:36
  That one, I saw this one yesterday.
• 57:40
  This is outrageous. I can't believe this hasn't come
• 57:42
  up before. Footwear.
• 57:44
  Footwear is important, OK? I've seen by the training and
• 57:47
  all sorts of footwear. I've actually seen people
• 57:49
  training barefoot in a gym and I would argue the one I'm about to
• 57:51
  bring up is worse than training barefoot.
• 57:53
  No, it's worse. The shoes which have the toes
• 57:57
  and like, you immediately know what I'm talking about.
• 57:59
  I don't know if they're supposed to be climbing shoes or
• 58:01
  something. I think they're called like
• 58:03
  naked. Like barefoot shoes, which we've
• 58:05
  spoken about before. But have we?
• 58:08
  That was that's been one of my grammar gears.
• 58:09
  But but the worst thing is if you're going to wear them, don't
• 58:13
  get them in luminous green. I cannot believe I saw luminous
• 58:18
  green toe hugging shoes. They're the worst.
• 58:21
  Yeah, don't If you turn up to the actually that's a
• 58:25
  requirement. I might slip down the terms and
• 58:27
  conditions. If you turn up to the SIM in
• 58:28
  those go I'm not allowed. No, deemed not safe.
• 58:31
  No refunding exactly deemed not safe.
• 58:34
  I love that I've actually had. I had a separate message and
• 58:38
  then I had someone message in on my questions box the same thing
• 58:43
  but this one. I'll keep them anonymous as
• 58:45
  well. Everyone thinking they can run a
• 58:47
  sub three hour marathon then failing and making up an excuse
• 58:51
  which which I feel is is pretty relevant now off the back of
• 58:55
  Berlin marathon. And then someone else messaged
• 58:57
  in saying influencers making sub three hour marathon their
• 59:01
  personality and then failing. But he was saying it is like, it
• 59:05
  actually makes me feel quite happy when they do that because
• 59:07
  they've literally made it their personality and then they've
• 59:09
  failed. Don't, don't, don't get me
• 59:11
  wrong, I love seeing a successor.
• 59:13
  I love seeing someone break sub three.
• 59:14
  But like Harry Styles, Harry style guy.
• 59:18
  Yeah, that was something we need to talk.
• 59:19
  About black long sleeve shirt in 25° heat as well.
• 59:22
  So hard. The guy's the.
• 59:23
  Go. You know you're quick if you're
• 59:25
  doing that. Guy's the goat.
• 59:27
  But then, well, one thing. Isn't Berlin the fastest major?
• 59:31
  Yeah, so. It is a good course, but it was
• 59:34
  really hot. So like, that's why I'm a little
• 59:36
  bit more sympathetic from this weekend if you didn't hit your
• 59:40
  target because it was just crazy hot, like freak hot, but.
• 59:44
  Well, I I was also going to say one of my favorite in a
• 59:46
  narcissistic way. One of my favorite things is
• 59:48
  when I see a reel that is episode 1 of the sub three hour
• 59:52
  marathon journey because I'm like this thing is going to go
• 59:54
  on for so long. God, years and years.
• 59:59
  Yeah. What else can I say?
• 1:00:03
  Yeah, I'm, I think. I think that's probably it from
• 1:00:07
  from the ones I've got from the the writing in.
• 1:00:09
  I've got another personal one but it's a bit long winded so
• 1:00:13
  maybe we save that one for for next week.
• 1:00:15
  OK, OK, I, I definitely, I've gone through that thing again
• 1:00:18
  where there's been a bunch of things that have annoyed me and
• 1:00:20
  I've not written them down because.
• 1:00:21
  I've now you can't remember. I can't remember, yeah.
• 1:00:23
  So if you are that person then make sure you are writing them
• 1:00:26
  down and send them in to us when you.
• 1:00:28
  Just as soon as you see as soon. As you just use us as your
• 1:00:30
  notepad. Yeah, message them.
• 1:00:31
  Yeah, message. Them because yeah, we we love
• 1:00:34
  bringing them up. I love discussing them.
• 1:00:37
  I think that is one of the best parts of our podcast to be
• 1:00:40
  honest. So yeah, please do keep
• 1:00:42
  interacted. Now this week I have terrible
• 1:00:44
  news. Terrible news.
• 1:00:47
  The food section that we were enjoying bringing in has not
• 1:00:49
  been sustained for this week, nor has the appearance of pod
• 1:00:54
  dog. In fact, he's been quite naughty
• 1:00:55
  this morning. I won't go into that, but he's
• 1:00:58
  he's currently locked out. So without those two missing
• 1:01:01
  parts, we're going to have to scoot on.
• 1:01:04
  Dive straight in we're. Going to dive straight into the
• 1:01:06
  rocks game which this week I have brought along.
• 1:01:09
  Now if you're watching this you might have a slightly better
• 1:01:13
  experience because you get to see what we're thinking of
• 1:01:16
  before we come up with them. So you get to laugh at us being
• 1:01:19
  stupid. If you don't, you can play along
• 1:01:21
  literally with us. So you are going to be as clued
• 1:01:24
  up as we are. Now the aim of the game is to
• 1:01:28
  think of what the other person is thinking.
• 1:01:29
  So the way this works is there is a category.
• 1:01:34
  The first category, so you can understand with a bit of
• 1:01:37
  context, is something found in a commercial gym.
• 1:01:42
  And when I say commercial gym, I'm talking like a pure gym, the
• 1:01:45
  gym, all of those similar. So what we've then both done is
• 1:01:49
  we've written three things down and you're going to ask yes or
• 1:01:53
  no questions. This could.
• 1:01:55
  Be a nightmare. Yeah, this could go so, so badly
• 1:01:58
  for us, but you're you're basically trying to guess the
• 1:02:01
  other person's three things before they get yours and we
• 1:02:04
  take it in turns. So we'll basically just get into
• 1:02:06
  it. If you still can't understand
• 1:02:07
  from what I've said, you're going to figure out very
• 1:02:09
  quickly. If you can figure out what are
• 1:02:11
  on the list, you can figure out what are things are before we
• 1:02:15
  do, then let us know in the comments.
• 1:02:17
  But also if you would have had better niche ideas, put them in
• 1:02:20
  the comments as well. So yeah, round one, you can ask
• 1:02:23
  me a question, yes or no. First things found in a
• 1:02:26
  commercial gym. Is it a piece of equipment?
• 1:02:32
  No, wait, do we have to go and order or it's just like I can
• 1:02:35
  just ask questions that couldn't check off any three.
• 1:02:39
  OK, Yeah, yeah, so, so is there a piece of equipment there?
• 1:02:42
  Oh, wow. OK, cool.
• 1:02:44
  That's throwing me already. Is there a piece of equipment in
• 1:02:47
  your list? Yeah, OK.
• 1:02:50
  Is it a person, Yes. Or like a type of person?
• 1:02:55
  Yes, OK. Is it a cable machine?
• 1:03:02
  It's not no. Sorry, is there a cable machine?
• 1:03:08
  Is there like a piece of clothing?
• 1:03:11
  No. OK.
• 1:03:13
  Is this for upper body can be? Oh OK, OK.
• 1:03:19
  Can be OK I'm diving in and make a guess.
• 1:03:22
  Is it a bodybuilder? No.
• 1:03:24
  Oh. We're going to be here for a
• 1:03:27
  long. Long yeah, we've we're only
• 1:03:28
  doing 3 rounds of this. It could take a whole hour.
• 1:03:31
  OK, so it's it could be used for either?
• 1:03:35
  Is this squat rack? No.
• 1:03:41
  Is it someone who's training for high rocks and takes up loads of
• 1:03:45
  equipment and all the space? No, no, not on that niche.
• 1:03:49
  Is it a free weight? No.
• 1:03:51
  OK. Thank God there's there's too
• 1:03:54
  many things to even consider guessing so.
• 1:03:56
  I might go down another path for a bit.
• 1:03:58
  There's it's a, there's a type of person who I might expect to
• 1:04:01
  find. And are they all people or just
• 1:04:08
  one of one of your is one of yours?
• 1:04:10
  Oh no. No, it's just one of them.
• 1:04:11
  Oh, that can be my question, OK. Have you got is all of your
• 1:04:16
  stuff equipment? I'm going to say no, OK, but it
• 1:04:21
  could be also yes. OK, great.
• 1:04:24
  It's just that's going to make sense when I eventually get it
• 1:04:27
  might not OK. Is it a type of?
• 1:04:33
  Is that food? No.
• 1:04:35
  No. Can I hold something on your
• 1:04:38
  list in one hand? Yeah, OK.
• 1:04:45
  Is one of them like that it's an object or it's like a type of
• 1:04:52
  behaviour or something? Or is that all objects?
• 1:04:56
  They're not all objects. There is, there is.
• 1:05:00
  I would say one kind of two objects in this.
• 1:05:04
  I need to think about the gym as a whole.
• 1:05:10
  So that's like a culture thing, a gym culture thing.
• 1:05:13
  What's? It in a gym?
• 1:05:14
  You walk in a gym? What did you see?
• 1:05:22
  Jim Leggings. No.
• 1:05:24
  You said there were no clothes. Yes.
• 1:05:27
  I said no clothes. That's the first thing is.
• 1:05:30
  One of your things, a resistance band it is, yeah.
• 1:05:32
  Yes. How have you got that?
• 1:05:34
  That's I gave you too. Much I gave you, you didn't.
• 1:05:36
  I actually had them. I had two rounds in it.
• 1:05:38
  I gave you too much. All right, So you've got one.
• 1:05:40
  I've got one. I'm really struggling here.
• 1:05:43
  Changing room. Give me it that response.
• 1:05:47
  Give me a. OK, I'm going to give you
• 1:05:50
  disabled toilet. Well, how?
• 1:05:54
  That's too niche. OK, disabled toilet.
• 1:05:56
  I thought you'd be like toilet. And then I could be like, yeah.
• 1:06:00
  OK, I'm taking. I'm taking Jen.
• 1:06:04
  Have you got anything that on your list that could kill you if
• 1:06:08
  he's wrong? I don't think so.
• 1:06:14
  OK. I don't think so.
• 1:06:15
  OK. But, you know, stranger things
• 1:06:18
  have happened. Yeah, You might disagree with
• 1:06:20
  me. When you find out what it is,
• 1:06:22
  I'm going to say personal trainer.
• 1:06:24
  Yeah. Is it?
• 1:06:25
  Yeah, you've got. You wrote like creepy personal
• 1:06:27
  trainer or something. Didn't.
• 1:06:27
  You I nearly did that, but then I thought that would go down
• 1:06:30
  poorly, so I wrote personal trainer slash cleaner.
• 1:06:32
  OK, because that's what they do. And they they, they pay rent by
• 1:06:36
  cleaning. So it's who won, who won the
• 1:06:39
  boys. Who'd have thought it?
• 1:06:42
  OK, I'm so clear to be your 1A bench.
• 1:06:49
  No, so I was, that's what I was, I was going to say like a sofa.
• 1:06:52
  Or a chair? OK.
• 1:06:54
  No, no. Is that close?
• 1:06:56
  No, all right. I would say every single
• 1:07:01
  commercial gym I have been to has this and it's one of the
• 1:07:05
  first. Ones you see, I've got it, I've
• 1:07:07
  got it, I've got it. This for sure is it.
• 1:07:10
  I am going to say, have you got like lifting straps on there?
• 1:07:18
  I might have to give you that. OK, I put lifting gloves.
• 1:07:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to give.
• 1:07:23
  Lifting straps far more acceptable than lifting gloves.
• 1:07:26
  OK, Yeah, Yeah, you can have that.
• 1:07:28
  You gave me the Sable toilet. Yeah.
• 1:07:31
  Water fountain. No bar.
• 1:07:34
  OK, I've got it. OK, I've got it.
• 1:07:37
  OK, OK, shit. I've kind of got my mobile.
• 1:07:42
  I have no idea. Yourself.
• 1:07:42
  You're going to kick yourself. The listeners have got it.
• 1:07:49
  They already know. A speaker.
• 1:07:53
  No vending machine. No.
• 1:07:57
  Charles come. On this is what I mean, I think,
• 1:07:59
  I think this is actually going to be like the biggest kick
• 1:08:02
  yourself thing that you could think of every every single one
• 1:08:06
  of these. This is something like super
• 1:08:07
  niche which is like dumb and like.
• 1:08:09
  Oh, well, you've got no, you've got no.
• 1:08:11
  Oh it's not super niche at all. I I for sure had it with vending
• 1:08:16
  machine. What you did?
• 1:08:17
  And Ward's found them. You've changed.
• 1:08:19
  It I haven't. OK, so wait.
• 1:08:24
  So wait, wait, wait, wait. Is this heavier than one
• 1:08:29
  kilogram? Yes.
• 1:08:30
  OK. Is your final 1A door.
• 1:08:34
  No. Is yours a weight plate?
• 1:08:37
  No. We're just going Hail Mary now.
• 1:08:40
  There we are. OK, so you don't use it to
• 1:08:42
  exercise, but you you're active with this object.
• 1:08:48
  Yeah, like you can't really. You can't really not use it.
• 1:08:54
  It's just there. As soon as you notice it, you've
• 1:08:57
  used it. That's way too much.
• 1:09:00
  I've given you it. I have once you know what it is
• 1:09:05
  that. Is all of yours toilet themed?
• 1:09:07
  No, but, but yeah, OK. You could go to the toilet in
• 1:09:12
  it. No, on it.
• 1:09:14
  You could you. There's probably one in the
• 1:09:16
  toilet. Last guess.
• 1:09:22
  Last guesses. You're going to kick yourself as
• 1:09:24
  well because it's so specific to the podcast.
• 1:09:29
  It's. So specific to the podcast,
• 1:09:30
  that's that's so annoying. Is that a Bosu ball?
• 1:09:33
  Yeah. OK, so I win.
• 1:09:34
  That's great. I win that round.
• 1:09:36
  That doesn't count. What do you mean I?
• 1:09:38
  Gave you that. I've literally given you yours.
• 1:09:41
  You get one more guess you you'll literally you're going to
• 1:09:44
  kick yourself more than me. No, it's something dumb like a
• 1:09:47
  doormat. No, it's not cool.
• 1:09:50
  Is it a mirror? Shut up, I don't train in gyms
• 1:09:54
  and mirrors. I said it's a commercial.
• 1:09:56
  Gym I know, but I don't every. Single commercial gym has a
• 1:09:59
  mirror I. Don't.
• 1:10:00
  Go all of the listeners have got that straight.
• 1:10:01
  Away. Yeah, obviously, because they're
• 1:10:03
  watching on YouTube and it's written in front of them.
• 1:10:07
  OK. So we're going to move on to
• 1:10:09
  more, more of our style. OK, We're going to do another
• 1:10:11
  round. It's going to be more of our
• 1:10:12
  style. If this is the first round
• 1:10:15
  you're hearing, we got rid of the first round.
• 1:10:20
  So scam fitness products. Oh, here we go.
• 1:10:23
  OK, you you ask away first. It's creatine.
• 1:10:26
  Gummies no scam talking about? No, I haven't put that.
• 1:10:31
  Have you got creatine gummies down?
• 1:10:32
  Obviously. Yeah.
• 1:10:33
  OK, great. So one elf.
• 1:10:36
  Is it you wear it? It's wearable.
• 1:10:41
  I have. I think of things that you wear.
• 1:10:43
  OK, cool. Have you got anything you wear?
• 1:10:50
  Yes. OK.
• 1:10:51
  Is this, I can't remember what it's called but is it the one
• 1:10:54
  where you it's like the cooling headband?
• 1:10:56
  No gutted I thought those are two shoe insurance for me.
• 1:11:03
  OK. Would I wear this on my upper
• 1:11:05
  body? Would I wear the one of the
• 1:11:07
  things on anything on your on my upper body?
• 1:11:09
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:11:11
  God, it's niche. I have told you about it though
• 1:11:13
  before, so that's my only saving grace.
• 1:11:15
  But it's super niche. It used to be like a no, I can't
• 1:11:18
  say that. Is any of yours edible?
• 1:11:27
  Can I say consumable? Is that fair?
• 1:11:30
  Yeah. Like you are drink supposed to.
• 1:11:32
  Yeah, Yeah, you could drink it maybe.
• 1:11:35
  You're supposed to. Yeah, like you're supposed to
• 1:11:37
  consume it. That's its purpose, all right.
• 1:11:41
  What was that For me, I just. Didn't want to say you could eat
• 1:11:44
  for. Riddled me.
• 1:11:45
  For what it is OK so. It's a fluid.
• 1:11:49
  Yeah. OK, Oh, I've got it.
• 1:11:52
  Does does? Got it.
• 1:11:53
  Does does the this particular wearable thing go on your wrist?
• 1:11:57
  Yes. OK.
• 1:11:59
  Is it like athletic greens? Yeah.
• 1:12:01
  Is it? This week's sponsor is, I'm
• 1:12:03
  joking, absolutely not going to happen.
• 1:12:05
  AG one athletic greens. I got it.
• 1:12:07
  Yeah, that works. I, I I, I have been sent to
• 1:12:10
  someone. I stand by the fact that forcing
• 1:12:13
  green shit down you in the morning that doesn't taste very
• 1:12:15
  nice is not good for you. It's like doing a 2K test.
• 1:12:17
  Mentally not good for you. You do it once and you realize
• 1:12:19
  how bad it is and you never want to do it.
• 1:12:20
  Yeah. OK, so I'm going to guess then.
• 1:12:25
  Actually, one more question before I guess.
• 1:12:28
  Did this come out recently? No.
• 1:12:30
  OK, I think I know what it is. Oh God.
• 1:12:32
  OK, so I've got 1. I've got one as well, right?
• 1:12:38
  Yeah, yeah. You got creatine gummies.
• 1:12:40
  Yeah, which I just gave you. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:41
  Thanks. That was the dumbest thing.
• 1:12:45
  Is your you've got any others there that are consumable?
• 1:12:50
  No. OK.
• 1:12:51
  Have you got like one of those bands that helps you balance
• 1:12:56
  better? OK, sit the.
• 1:12:57
  Power balance wristband. Yeah, You know the thing I'm
• 1:13:00
  talking. About the thing you're.
• 1:13:01
  Talking about the rave when you're like 13.
• 1:13:03
  Pissed off at my mum because she wouldn't buy you one.
• 1:13:05
  She wouldn't let me buy one off the website I got on from eBay
• 1:13:07
  and it didn't work because it was.
• 1:13:08
  Fake but such a good story because that is exactly what
• 1:13:11
  happened with me as well. Like, ridiculous that that's
• 1:13:14
  exactly the same thing that happened to me with a little
• 1:13:17
  hologram in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:19
  This is a fake hologram. I've watched the YouTube video.
• 1:13:21
  Mum, this is fake. I can't believe we spent £15 on
• 1:13:23
  this. Should just spent £30 on the
• 1:13:25
  real. One on the real one, yeah,
• 1:13:26
  that's why I've never made it as a.
• 1:13:27
  YouTube video. Like he's got perfect balance
• 1:13:29
  when he wears this. It's definitely nothing to do
• 1:13:30
  with the fact that his friend is pulling his arm downwards, not
• 1:13:32
  outweighs. I was just like, that is for
• 1:13:34
  sure why I never made it. Yeah, because I got the fake.
• 1:13:37
  All the England cricket players were in them.
• 1:13:38
  I was like, I would literally be in England cricket.
• 1:13:40
  Players and there was the other one which was like like 2
• 1:13:43
  material loops. With them as bollocks.
• 1:13:46
  That was obviously bollocks. I wasn't.
• 1:13:47
  Didn't look cool. Yeah, that wasn't there.
• 1:13:48
  Already. What colours did you have?
• 1:13:50
  Blue really. I think yellow.
• 1:13:52
  Do you go like the luminescent green yellow?
• 1:13:53
  No, just like the yellow, Yellow.
• 1:13:55
  Oh, it's dead. Red and blue is.
• 1:13:57
  The all the like the NBA players wearing them as well.
• 1:14:00
  I think some of them still in talks.
• 1:14:01
  So how it happens? They exploded overnight and then
• 1:14:04
  dissolved so fast that you you still to buy them on EasyJet.
• 1:14:07
  I'm going to buy one. I'm going to buy one.
• 1:14:08
  What are you wearing then? That's.
• 1:14:10
  Silly sick. He's sick.
• 1:14:11
  Are you going to get on? Yeah.
• 1:14:12
  I'm so doing that. We bring it back.
• 1:14:14
  That's so funny. I've lost all train of thought.
• 1:14:17
  They're not not. I had AI had a question as well.
• 1:14:20
  I had a good question. So they're not consumable now.
• 1:14:24
  Oh is it? Is it nylon plated shoes?
• 1:14:28
  No, but I will give you a clue. One of these things, actually,
• 1:14:33
  both of these things we've spoke about on the podcast.
• 1:14:34
  OK, that would have been clutch. My one is niche now.
• 1:14:39
  OK. Niche is is this.
• 1:14:41
  So this is like a true scam, true scam, true scam, fire
• 1:14:45
  festival level scam. Crazy.
• 1:14:49
  In my opinion, I might have to forfeit.
• 1:14:53
  I feel the time. Pressure as well.
• 1:14:55
  Yeah, same. Sorry guys.
• 1:14:57
  But we're going to continue. I'm going to we'll do one more
• 1:15:00
  guest then, OK? OK, so I've got 2 right now.
• 1:15:02
  Yeah, so I can clean up. OK.
• 1:15:05
  This is obviously the biggest scam ever and it is a
• 1:15:17
  subscription service or something.
• 1:15:21
  Shit. No, no.
• 1:15:23
  What is it? A Zen pick.
• 1:15:24
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, OK. I would never have got.
• 1:15:27
  That no, but that's a good that's that's like an actual
• 1:15:30
  fitness. Sam, do you want to have one
• 1:15:31
  more guess to get either of these?
• 1:15:32
  Can I have a question and a guess?
• 1:15:34
  Yeah. So you wear it around your
• 1:15:35
  wrist? One of them, yeah.
• 1:15:37
  Is it also the power balance bag?
• 1:15:39
  Is it? I had that down, Yeah, literally
• 1:15:42
  wrote a power balance bag. That's so good we have to wear.
• 1:15:45
  That as a result then do you want to have one more guess?
• 1:15:48
  Because then you could win now. I have no idea.
• 1:15:52
  This one appeared on The Gimmicks.
• 1:15:57
  I there's only like 3 or 4 that I can remember and we've already
• 1:16:00
  said like Shake Weight. Did I mention it as a gimmick?
• 1:16:05
  Oh no, gimmicky, gimmicky. No, I can't remember anything.
• 1:16:11
  My brains gone dead. Nose tape, you bought that?
• 1:16:16
  I think that was the first one you mentioned as well.
• 1:16:17
  I thought that was a that was pretty much.
• 1:16:19
  It's a tough day to be Charles Last.
• 1:16:21
  Round We'll give this 10 guesses each.
• 1:16:24
  If you don't get one within no, we'll say if you go.
• 1:16:28
  If you go 4 guesses without, you've lost.
• 1:16:30
  Are we doing the sports person one?
• 1:16:32
  Yes, we're going to be famous athletes.
• 1:16:34
  OK, I'll ask first. Is yours famous in the UK?
• 1:16:44
  Do you want me to? I'll say yes, and I'm going to
• 1:16:46
  give you another clue just for the sake of everyone listening.
• 1:16:50
  It's world championship athletics themed.
• 1:16:53
  OK. So yes, one of them is famous in
• 1:16:55
  the UK, but they're all global superstars, so if you don't get
• 1:17:00
  all three, it's kind of embarrassing.
• 1:17:03
  I'm just going to go straight in with a name, drop famous sports
• 1:17:08
  people. I'm going to go for Tiger Woods.
• 1:17:11
  Perfect, good start. I wanted a little bit more
• 1:17:15
  clarification before I start throwing the Hail Marys in.
• 1:17:18
  Is this person still competing? All of them.
• 1:17:21
  All of them are OK. I'm just hail marrying now.
• 1:17:24
  Yeah. I've give an eye for it.
• 1:17:26
  Lewis Hamilton? No.
• 1:17:32
  Josh Kerr. No good choice though.
• 1:17:34
  That's not Josh Kerr, right? I need to be a bit more clinical
• 1:17:40
  then. Do we speak about them
• 1:17:43
  frequently on the podcast? Are they in our car examples
• 1:17:47
  bubble? Not that often actually.
• 1:17:50
  Oh great. They they should be.
• 1:17:52
  Oh, really? They're not.
• 1:17:53
  Not that often. OK, I'm going.
• 1:17:56
  On 10 guesses to literally guess, it could be anyone in the
• 1:17:58
  world who does sport. Actually, OK, I had someone.
• 1:18:04
  Oh yeah. Alex Yee.
• 1:18:06
  No. Damn, already scraping the
• 1:18:08
  barrel. I've mentioned one of them
• 1:18:11
  already. I've mentioned two of them
• 1:18:13
  already in this podcast. Have you here?
• 1:18:16
  Fuck. Yeah.
• 1:18:18
  OK. I just doesn't listen.
• 1:18:20
  Yeah, yeah. Are they?
• 1:18:26
  Do they? All no, no, no.
• 1:18:28
  Do they currently compete? No, one of them does.
• 1:18:32
  One of them. OK, yeah.
• 1:18:34
  Kia Washington, She's one of them, yes.
• 1:18:40
  Do they play team sports? Two of them, D2 of them.
• 1:18:45
  Cool. That's kind of how many guesses
• 1:18:48
  I've had, but I think I've had five.
• 1:18:49
  I think it was five, Yeah. So four more guesses.
• 1:18:56
  OK, have you got this isn't really yes or no, but like have
• 1:19:01
  you got two of the same birth sex gender or like this is a
• 1:19:12
  horrible way to ask this question in this day and age.
• 1:19:14
  Have you got have you got a man and a woman?
• 1:19:17
  Have you got two women? Have you got two men?
• 1:19:20
  I've got two men left, two men left.
• 1:19:23
  So the team sport is one of the team sports.
• 1:19:27
  Football, yes, OK. OK.
• 1:19:35
  I don't know how you phrase that, but.
• 1:19:37
  All of you is famous in this country.
• 1:19:38
  Sorry, I did ask that, but are they, is that like are they
• 1:19:43
  British and famous or are they famous in this country?
• 1:19:45
  Are they British and famous? Sorry, no, neither of them are
• 1:19:48
  British. Oh, OK.
• 1:19:49
  But they're both like very, very famous.
• 1:19:50
  Question. It's a bit different to us
• 1:19:51
  earlier, is it Cristiano Ronaldo?
• 1:19:53
  No American, either of them. Neither of them American.
• 1:19:59
  Oh, you said they were retired. That was a dumb guess.
• 1:20:03
  Messy. No.
• 1:20:04
  Is he retired? No.
• 1:20:05
  Perfect. That wasn't even dull.
• 1:20:06
  Yes, clarified it, failed it. My knowledge on football is
• 1:20:12
  unrivalled. OK is one of them.
• 1:20:17
  The person's name I won't be able to pronounce but ran the
• 1:20:19
  336100K. Sabusio.
• 1:20:22
  Sabusio No, no. Oh, you haven't mentioned it in
• 1:20:24
  this. Book No Damn Dumb guess Dumb
• 1:20:27
  guess can Can one of my questions be what is the team
• 1:20:30
  sport of the other person? Yes.
• 1:20:33
  What is the team sport? So you've got.
• 1:20:35
  I've already got football, yeah. The other one is basketball.
• 1:20:40
  Cool, OK, I've got like 2 guesses left for every single
• 1:20:45
  NBA player that I know. We does that.
• 1:20:47
  You haven't got any of them. Actually, no, I haven't.
• 1:20:48
  No, no. But I've got I've narrowed down
• 1:20:50
  one of them is a team sport within football.
• 1:20:53
  Yeah, and the other one is a team short within basketball,
• 1:20:55
  right? Yeah.
• 1:20:56
  So I'm. Basically there.
• 1:20:57
  OK, you should be ready. Yeah.
• 1:21:02
  OK. So I'm not really anywhere.
• 1:21:06
  We've already got one. And not British, No.
• 1:21:08
  And they do. I've forgotten if they do team
• 1:21:11
  sport or not. They're both.
• 1:21:13
  They're all world champs, athletes.
• 1:21:14
  They're all world champs for athletics.
• 1:21:15
  Athletics. So none of them are team.
• 1:21:17
  I swear when we were doing this, I said please don't put World
• 1:21:20
  Athletics champs. People haven't watched it yet.
• 1:21:22
  Yeah, yeah, that was that was real nice.
• 1:21:24
  Was. That your and they're.
• 1:21:27
  Still competing? Yeah, they're still competing in
• 1:21:30
  the They're 2. They're two of the most famous,
• 1:21:33
  two of the most famous one. Of them wasn't Josh.
• 1:21:36
  Kerr, one of them, is like the most iconic of their sport ever.
• 1:21:40
  Yeah, it's, yeah, it's tough, damn.
• 1:21:46
  But it's like, if you're into athletics, you obviously know
• 1:21:48
  that. I probably do know who they are.
• 1:21:51
  Maybe. OK, I'm just going to have to
• 1:21:53
  pass then. No, you already asked the
• 1:21:56
  question. Yeah, I did.
• 1:21:58
  I'm going to go LeBron James, correct?
• 1:22:04
  OK. I think I've got like one more
• 1:22:06
  guess. OK.
• 1:22:07
  And I'm just going to pass. No, you just put someone out
• 1:22:11
  there. Come on.
• 1:22:12
  You know some athletes. Oh.
• 1:22:13
  OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. I don't think if you said I
• 1:22:18
  talked about this the most iconic.
• 1:22:20
  Like, arguably too much you. Haven't said this person today.
• 1:22:23
  No, I have and I mentioned them in the last podcast as well in
• 1:22:27
  the game. No, the person I'm going to
• 1:22:28
  guess. You haven't said.
• 1:22:29
  All right, Well, I'm going to guess anyway.
• 1:22:31
  That's the term I'm not allowed to pass.
• 1:22:33
  Shakari Richardson. No, but that was a good guess.
• 1:22:35
  That was a good guess. No.
• 1:22:39
  So I've got one more guess. But one more guess if you get
• 1:22:42
  the. Football.
• 1:22:43
  I've got to go, yeah. I mean, it would be 1 hell of a
• 1:22:46
  hell mirror if you went for the other one.
• 1:22:47
  Yeah, yeah. Football retired.
• 1:22:52
  Can I have a question and then guess?
• 1:22:54
  Go for it. Are they British?
• 1:22:56
  Yeah. Bosch and they're retired and
• 1:23:00
  they're famous. David Beckham spawn.
• 1:23:01
  He had to. LeBron and David Beckham, they
• 1:23:03
  want to have well. You've done it.
• 1:23:04
  You've done twice in a row. I'll give you a shot at the hell
• 1:23:07
  Mary win final. Three questions.
• 1:23:10
  You can ask a question as well. OK.
• 1:23:13
  Are they female? Yeah.
• 1:23:19
  Serena Williams? No.
• 1:23:21
  Did I already ask if it was tennis?
• 1:23:22
  I can't remember who was it. Jessica Ennis.
• 1:23:25
  Hill. Oh, that's big.
• 1:23:26
  That's a good one. Yeah.
• 1:23:27
  Yeah. So I don't get Jakubinga
• 1:23:30
  Britson. For some reason I've just
• 1:23:34
  continuously thought about English people.
• 1:23:36
  Yeah, and I you asked. I was like none.
• 1:23:39
  No and every like. Sometimes remember, sometimes
• 1:23:41
  top. And then this one, this one is
• 1:23:43
  the one. They said is the American, You
• 1:23:45
  said no. And I guess you're curious and.
• 1:23:48
  Right, Yeah, I didn't even do put CNC together.
• 1:23:50
  The last one was Mondo Duplantis, who's the like the
• 1:23:53
  most goat pole vaulter of all time.
• 1:23:55
  You've. Definitely not said his name in
• 1:23:56
  this. No, but I said Keely and Jakob
• 1:23:59
  and I said Jakob in the and I talk about yeah, Mondo Duplantis
• 1:24:05
  who like. Interesting.
• 1:24:06
  Has the world record in the pole vault.
• 1:24:07
  Jakob Inger Britain based off the the discussion we had last
• 1:24:10
  episode. If you haven't listened to last
• 1:24:11
  episode, you talk about some of the best documentaries that
• 1:24:13
  they're offered about there. Jakobin Inger Britain's family
• 1:24:16
  have a documentary that followed the whole family through
• 1:24:18
  training. Was it him or was he?
• 1:24:20
  Because there's all three of the brothers or.
• 1:24:21
  So it was and the whole thing was incredibly toxic.
• 1:24:25
  Don't know if you know about this lawsuit going.
• 1:24:27
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:24:28
  Lawsuit against his dad. Because he's, no, I didn't know
• 1:24:32
  that. I didn't know that because they,
• 1:24:34
  he coaches now another Norwegian youngster.
• 1:24:38
  I don't know the details, so I won't comment on it.
• 1:24:40
  But yeah, they they all used to be coached by him.
• 1:24:42
  Yeah. And it, it was savage, Yeah.
• 1:24:45
  And it got a bit too savage. But it's, it's interesting
• 1:24:48
  because there's so many good Scandinavian athletes coming
• 1:24:52
  through now and there's like the, and even in the Iron Man,
• 1:24:55
  did you see that? Was it 123?
• 1:24:57
  123 in the world champs, yeah. Incredible.
• 1:25:00
  And they've kind of adopted like the double threshold days, which
• 1:25:05
  is similar to what Jakobin Gibritsen does when he trains.
• 1:25:07
  But yeah, it's, they're an interesting family and it's he's
• 1:25:10
  an interesting guy to follow on Instagram as well as his
• 1:25:12
  training, but he's been a bit injured.
• 1:25:14
  This season, so didn't make it to the 1500 meter final.
• 1:25:16
  Think he made it to the 5000 meter final, but yeah, won't
• 1:25:20
  comment on the results on that either.
• 1:25:21
  Yeah, well, we wrapped up another episode.
• 1:25:24
  The game seemed fantastic in preparation.
• 1:25:27
  We might not do that one again. If you guys enjoyed it, let us
• 1:25:30
  know though, because we'll obviously bring it back and
• 1:25:31
  we'll just do better categories. Or if you've got people that you
• 1:25:33
  would want us to guess and we can randomize who's guessing who
• 1:25:37
  and we can do that. We can make sure there's a third
• 1:25:38
  party adjudicated for it. However, for all of your inputs,
• 1:25:42
  we've grown my gears with suggested topics.
• 1:25:44
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• 1:25:45
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• 1:25:47
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• 1:26:12
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• 1:26:18
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• 1:26:23
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• 1:26:26
  Charles, is there anything else from?
• 1:26:27
  You good way to round it up I think.
• 1:26:28
  Awesome. In which case we look forward to
• 1:26:31
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• 1:26:33
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• 1:26:36
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• 1:26:39
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• 1:26:42
  And we look forward to seeing you in the next episode.