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When Talk Therapy Isn’t Enough: A Deeper Way to Heal · The Midlife Rebel Podcast

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  SPEAKER_03: But humanity is beginning to feel the lack of that higher consciousness within their own lives.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_03: There are problems that going to a medical doctor, going to a psychologist, and you know, doing various other things.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's not alleviating those issues.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And then there are the people like us that talk about energy work and healing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so people are gravitating back.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's going back to the origin.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: You know, Tesla and Einstein have spoken as scientists about this stuff.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_03: So we're kind of going back and saying this is fundamental.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Midlife Rebel Podcast.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's time to rewrite the midlife story for women who refuse to be put in a box.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because maybe midlife isn't a crisis.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's an awakening.
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  SPEAKER_03: People's thoughts, people's emotions, uh kind of, you know, prediction is the wrong word, but you know the anticipation of what's about to happen.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um so it was really tough.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_03: But in time, I have learned to uh close certain doors.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh you know, but if I want to tune in, or if I'm in um like with my clients, because I know them well and I work with them over a period of time, uh, they will wake me up in the middle of the night depending on what's happening in their life.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but on an average, I I try to, but I have a good sense.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_03: So a lot of my work is not really representative of my work, because I have not really expressed very openly.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_03: For me, the reason why I have not spoken about it is Nadine, because I started this work very early.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it was not work at the time.
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  SPEAKER_03: My first realization of something was when I was four.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_03: It was a long time ago, and um you know, and after that it was just being able to pick up energies and um a great need uh, you know, within a little child to alleviate the issues that people were having.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: And the people were all, you know, family friends that came over to visit my parents.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_03: My father was a doctor, so you know.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then I would overhear certain conversations, and you know, I was doing what I was doing, but I was very little.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_03: And because we started so early, Nadine, and because it was not really a thing back then, healing and you know, and all of the terminology and all of the concepts that are um they were there, but they were firstly the purview of priests, monks, you know, those kinds of people that we had sort of allocated this level of wisdom to.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, and it was done within confines of temples and churches and, you know, or grandmothers, you know.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so because I started so early, it kind of was small, and then I just kept it quiet.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_03: It is only very recently that I see uh, you know, people are beginning to talk about um various kinds of you know aspects of this, and uh some some people talking about encounters with um dimensional beings.
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  SPEAKER_03: Mine was at four.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was just a flash story to sort of hang out with because I didn't know any different.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, so that's the reason why I have and I've been very blessed that my practice has um blossomed through word of mouth.
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  SPEAKER_03: That has been my essential source of um clients, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I didn't have to worry too much because they came with, you know, uh a story and a referral, and you know, I didn't have to really sort of sell myself and prove who I am because somebody had already done that great work for me.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and that's why.
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  SPEAKER_03: So today it's I have a slightly different plan, and because of that plan, I'm like, okay, I need I need to do this.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_03: You need to start talking about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's start with that blend of work that you do because you are a psychologist and you blend energy work, and that and so do you feel like as a child you had this innate gift?
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  SPEAKER_01: You were using it because you didn't know any different.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that was there a point when you were like, Well, people aren't going to understand this, or you didn't know how to talk about it, and you knew you wanted to help people, and so you went through a more practical system, let's say, with psychology.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that kind of the path that that you went on?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: Not really.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, so what happened was my father was a medical doctor.
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  SPEAKER_03: I come from a long line of medical doctors, like my my both my grandfathers, and you know, I'm very renowned.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: They were all very internationally well known.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: So my father, when I was the firstborn, was very keen that I follow in his footsteps because he was doing some amazing research, and you know, the only person in the world who was finding a treatment for a blindness disease, and you know, so it was a legacy thing also for him.
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  SPEAKER_03: My problem was being an energy healer, or you know, I couldn't sit down and study for 17, 18, 19 hours.
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  SPEAKER_03: That is what was required at the time to get into medical school in a country like India.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was highly, highly competitive.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just couldn't do it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I would have loved to, in my head, you know, loved to be a doctor because it meant, again, alleviating pain and suffering.
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  SPEAKER_03: I watched, you know, people around me do absolutely amazing work.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, but and so what was the second best thing?
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  SPEAKER_03: I did not think about what I was doing in terms of the energy work as ever being a profession.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, imagine talking about it so many years ago that, oh, what are you going to do?
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even know it had a name, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And so the psychology kind of made the most sense to me.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I went into so I did a bachelor's in child development, then I, you know, did my master's.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_03: So that is actually how it happened.
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  SPEAKER_03: There was no great plan as such.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: And now you blend those two parts.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: So do you or I say now, but perhaps you've been doing that all along.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: And as you mentioned a few minutes ago, now you're just beginning to share what you've actually always been doing.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: Is that more to the point?
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: True.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, what happened, Nadine, when I finished my education in psychology, you know, I was very young and I came into the world with like serious gusto, like so many of us do, and with that whole deep desire to change the world.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you know, at 22 I didn't really know how much was broken, but do you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I just I had that really deep feeling.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so I opened a practice.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it happened to be in partnership with uh somebody who was a year senior to me.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_03: And we started working with children with special needs because that was her specialty.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: And because she was older than me, she had done a little bit of work around uh, you know, her specialization.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_03: And so when we partnered together, excuse me, um, it was easy for her to just bring that into the work that we were going to do together.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_03: But honestly, I was not trained to work with children with special needs.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: So my specialization was different.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, you're young and you think, okay, we're we're starting work and we're going to do amazing things.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I kind of went along with it.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_03: But two things happened very early in my practice.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, if you like, I could share the stories because they were the real turning point for me.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, many turning points.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: So um, there was a young girl who used to come to us, and she was probably five years old, and she had Down syndrome.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: And there was a young boy who used to come, and he was about 10, uh, and he was blind.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_03: What had happened?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_03: He had some water fill in his brain, and you know, they were draining it, and they put a shunt, and in that they his the optic nerve uh got impacted and he lost sight in both eyes, unfortunately.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so he would come and he'd belong to an extremely wealthy family.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but he was boy number two, he had an older brother.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_03: But because the brother was uh quote unquote normal, um, you know, there was nobody who really paying attention to this child.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_03: So he had a car, he had a driver, that you know, he would be brought to the clinic, but he would just hit himself in eating all the time.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: And watching him, and you know, I was all of maybe 23 years old, very, very uh disconcerting to watch him.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_03: We couldn't give him any relief.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then there was this other girl, one day she comes and she has a massive burn mark on her on her arm, that tiny little arm.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: And so obviously she couldn't tell us what had happened.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_03: And so when her mother came to pick her up, uh, you know, I asked her.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: So uh she said, Oh, you know, I was cooking and she took my husband's glasses, threw them out of the window, and I got so angry, I just took the ladle and put it on her arm.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what happened to me too, you know.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: And and she just looked at me and she goes, Um, do you have children?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, No.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_03: She said, Are you married?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_03: I said, No.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: She said, then you won't understand.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, How can you say I won't understand?
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know, do you see my degrees?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like I'm qualified to understand.
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  SPEAKER_03: And but she left, you know, and Nadine, there was just the way she spoke in the conversation.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_03: When I went home, I had a very obvious feeling that there was a lot that I didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, and the work that I had set out to do at this point in life, I wasn't totally qualified to do it.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um and and so I shut down that practice almost immediately because I took about 10 days, I got depressed, I lost weight, I didn't have any to lose in the first place.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I did a lot of introspection and I really went deep inside.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought to myself that in psychology I'm working with the brain.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: There is something else that must be addressed.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I don't know what that is.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's where the real juice of healing really lies.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I told my friend and partner, I said, I don't think I can continue.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, in in you know, in in all honesty to the people who are gonna come to me.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um and then I went into this whole internal journey.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I call it it was a remembering, it literally was, because there were, and throughout my life, you know, things have come up.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I couldn't place them, I couldn't relate to them.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but you know, years later looking back, I realized that it was a part of my own uh past lives uh that were coming through.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: And um a lot of things bubbled up, spent a lot of time um in connection with the universal source energy.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then I came up with a kind of a it wasn't really a formula, but something that now I call omnisorce healing, uh basically doing deep soul karmic work, and the psychology serves me really well because so when I started my practice as a healer, like very organized, um I would only do healing, which was only energy work.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_03: But subsequently I began to realize that my clients have a lifestyle, and that lifestyle is affecting this suffering equation, and something needs to be done.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: So then this what I call spiritual counseling, which is the one aspect of my sessions, that came about because then I started talking to them um and counseling them on various different things, you know, beliefs and emotional responses and the nervous system and all of that.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: So my psychology, I think, helps me tremendously there.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so it's so now it is a combination.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: But until I developed or really opened a practice where I could say, you asked me what do you do?
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, Nadine, I'm a spiritual healer, um, everything was like for years, I did sounds horrible, but pro bono work.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't take any money, I I just did the healing.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: It was something that was within me and it was easy to do.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: So when you were in this stage of your journey and you became a healer, so you stepped away from the psychology things quite quickly, um, and you became a healer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did you when you mentioned remembering?
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  SPEAKER_01: So was it was it like remembering what you'd been able to do as a young child?
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  SPEAKER_01: Did you need any guides or uh um teachers to support you as you uh began to practice?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: So no, the I think the the remembrance was from different lifetimes.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, not from this one.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um and from a teacher perspective, this is how I put it, in this lifetime, I am not meant to have a teacher, so I never came across any teachers.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: There is a friend of mine, uh, I he's a friend now, when I met him, uh, he was the one who actually coaxed me to to develop a full-on practice and start this as a business.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, he's also, you know, uh a healer himself.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: So, and we've had at the initial stages we had a few conversations, but he never taught me anything.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: He refused.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um he always would say, it is in you and it will show up.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, no, no teachers, but from a guide's perspective, I think um my spirit guides and uh you know uh all of my past life connections have really uh in a very non-obvious way, but they have supported me tremendously.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: And now over the years, I have developed um sort of a process and a practice around it.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well, okay, that that's not the right way to say it.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: Just the connections have become so incredibly strong and so um so open that at any time if I want to remember or I need or I have a question or anything and I want to lean into what I call my magic team, the magic, you know, um they are they are there instantaneously for me.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: And um, yeah, so that is actually a very blessed and a beautiful relationship to have.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: So from a teacher perspective, uh, they're also not very they they need me to figure this out on my own.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's that's quite a task.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Can you talk a little bit?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, not necessarily a little bit, but more about healing.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you've been doing this for a long time, so obviously you know that this is needed in the world, but it seems like a lot of the guests that I talk to are healers.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it seems like at the moment, or in this period of time in the world, there's an acceleration where people are realizing more and more that they do have wounds, that they do need to be healed.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: And can do you have any kind of insights into why that might be taking place?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: So the earth, the universe has cycles of development and we plug in because we're a part of those environments.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: We live on a planet, the planet has its own evolutionary life cycle.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you could go into scripture and speak of cycles from that perspective.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, like in Eastern philosophy, uh, we we say that this period that we're going through is a very dark period.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um and it is the there's a cycle, and the dark period comes at the end.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and it's a long time, but then as you go through it, and then there's a dawn again.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: And so what has happened over many, many, many years, consciousness of a human being, uh the higher consciousness that we had, our connection with the divine, knowing who we are, why are we here, and all of those things started to break down.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I think much more in the last few hundred years when uh sort of the advent of science as we know it today um became very prominent in this philosophy that what you can't prove is not real, you know, took away the the beauty of energy work.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know, the the witches were all burnt and they were all healers, and people were terrified of them because of what they were able to do, right?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: And people didn't understand the work they did, and they wanted uh to get rid of them because if I don't need you, then where is your power on me?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what was the powerful thing, but you know, the empowering thing about these uh witches, they worked with energy, they had all of this tremendous esoteric knowledge.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, they would go.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: And heal somebody who was unwell, and you know, cold rain and help with the crops and just all of those beautiful things.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: Now, who, if if you're in power, do you really want these people around?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: Because who's gonna listen to you then?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: And so that was a phase, and so we have walked um in a lot of stages where everything that's esoteric and energy work, and all of the philosophies and of the principles that are actually written in scripture with it within every religion was discounted.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: And then came a time where I think there had there have always been people that have done this work, that have been in touch, um, and in different ways, you know, whether it's a priest in a church in a temple who prays through religion, or uh people like us that are just born connected, you know, to the the source energy.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: But humanity is beginning to feel the lack of that higher consciousness within their own lives.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_03: There is there are problems that going to a medical doctor, going to a psychologist, uh, and you know, doing various other things is not alleviating those issues.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_03: And then there are the people like us that talk about energy work and healing, and and so people are gravitating back, it's going back to the origin.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, Tesla and Einstein have spoken as scientists about this stuff.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, so we're kind of going back and saying this is fundamental.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: And if we can work with energy and if we can make sure that our energy is clean and flowing properly, and I'm taking care of my wounding, which could be yours, it could be ancestral karma coming down.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, uh the lineage, then I'm going to be better for it.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: And thank you to the internet.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: Some people can put all kinds of things there, others can watch, and then if it resonates with them, then they can say, okay, I'm gonna give this a shot, this might work for me.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: And then if it is good work, because there is some not so good work out there as well, uh, but that's the nature of the game, um then you you propagate it because then you want your children to know about it, you want your friends to know about it, you know.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: And instead of saying, Oh, you go to my medical doctor, you'll say, Oh, go to my healer, you know, and so that turnaround is coming, and I think it is steps in the right direction for us to to bring that the dawn again.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, human consciousness is raising little by little.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that that's what's happening.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: So it's part of we need to be more uh aware and living in higher consciousness in order to create this new beginning or to journey through the darkness, or both.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: So the way I look at a human being and their journey, which I believe is really what the game is all about, is you come here and you're ideally you're here to undo a lot of the wounding that you have brought with you, which we can call karma.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you accrue karma here as you live through, you know.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: So you've chosen there's a blueprint that you came with, which defines the kind of country you'll be born in, the family, you know, and and what kind of a life you'll have.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: So that kind of you bring that with you.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: And within that structure, your job is to not only overcome it, but for you to work through that to become the best version of yourself.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: That is our job here on planet Earth.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's why we come here, you know, and because we forget, and then you know, we get so embroiled in what should be my education and who should I marry and how much money should I make, and you know, all of that kind of stuff.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and even today, a lot of people when they talk about healing and we are still not there, you know.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: So with with all the years that I have been doing this, this is what I tell my clients.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: Your job is to when I say increase your consciousness, increasing your consciousness really puts you in touch with who you are.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: Who am I?
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  SPEAKER_03: When once you know that, then a lot of the things start to fall off because they don't fit you anymore.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: Do you see?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then you are more your light shines, you are truer to your divine self, and that's why we're here.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: So, what is suffering?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: Suffering really is um, this is how I define it.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: It is an invitation for you to look at your life differently and ask yourself, not blame and say, Oh, you know, and just woe me and all of that stuff, but say, what do I need to do?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: To so that what is the suffering trying to show me?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: What new direction do I need to take in terms of habits, in terms of thought processes, in terms of belief systems?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: And if all of us began to work on ourselves, this is all it is.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's your game with you and between you and the divine.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody else is incidental to it, helping you, whether they make your life difficult or they complement it.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_03: But that's all it is, you know, and we get too tied into all these relationships, my money, and my husband, my child.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, they're not.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's so much beauty in that, absolutely.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: You know, but if you have a difficult child, why?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: You know, if you have a golden child, why?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: You know, if you have if you get divorced three times.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, don't don't be in and out of a relationship.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: Try and figure out uh what is the message for you?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: You know, uh, we're terrified of being alone, and we've we've got a lot of this stuff uh around us, but um we really need to really need to know why we're here, walk that path, and when we do that, and our consciousness raises, and yours and mine, and everybody else, we become kinder, more compassionate, you know, and the world becomes a better place, right?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, absolutely.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: So wounding.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: How does that show up?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned a couple of things.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: The sun is shining on your face, but it's kind of moving as the as the sun moves.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: It will be gone.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the trans, so I can't uh it's it's fine.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, as long as it's not glaring in your eyes.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um okay.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so wounding, how does that show up in people's lives?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned like that repetition of um, you know, being married three times, but I've got it written down some maybe I didn't write it down.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um just the way that you referred to it and something that I read.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: But it's basically repeating patterns.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Is that a is that a sign that you're wounded?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Is it a one of many?
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: One of many.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: What are some of the rules that show up in the the work that you do with your clients?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: What what kind of daily things are showing up, like their relationships not working, or they don't feel satisfied in their job, or like what what things might be going on for them that you see?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna start with a really big one.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: Imagine you have a young child who's born with a critical disease, or is diagnosed with a critical disease at age one, two, three.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: That is karma.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's karma for the child, it's karma for the parent.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: And karma is wounding.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, what is wounding?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: We have to define it.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: Wounding really uh is when we're not in the highest vibration, the way we think and therefore the way we act, is not out of pure love for ourselves and for the people around us.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Is that in this life or in past lives?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_03: Both yeah, that is what is the the karma that we bring with us, and then we accrue the karma here, um, you know, and so we when we're not in that space, we are it creates wounding because like I said, when you have suffering, then you you will you will look at it.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: Imagine if we we were we were like the the fairies and the angels, and we came here and we had wings and we could manifest anything and everything, and you know, and life was perfect.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_03: We had the most beautiful partners and the great children, and you know, we had every luxury.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: We would what would we do?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: Would we ever even think of God or anything else?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: We would just be in love, this would be Lala Land.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: But we come here, and the earth plane is necessarily a very difficult plane, is so that we could come here and ask ourselves these pertinent questions as to why is this happening to me?
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_03: Or if I am so I'm wounded, therefore I behave in a wounded way, like a bully, is always a person who has had had trauma, you know, so they're compensating for it by becoming bullies.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, this is long-drawn.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: Let me let me make it precise.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so we so that's when we're mean to somebody or we defraud somebody or we lie, you know, all of this starts to accrue.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: It goes into an escrow in a way.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: And then when it becomes heavy, I mean, even if you do it once, there's still you have to repay it.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_03: You have not repay it, okay.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, that becomes scary.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_03: You have to you have to recognize that what you did was not in highest love for yourself and for somebody else, and therefore, how can you do it better?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_03: But because we're not taught, Nadine, to look at our life that way, we're always externalizing everything.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's your fault, it's my husband's fault, it's my teacher's fault, you know, it's it's the government's fault.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we're always externalizing everything, and therefore, we never look at it from a wounding perspective.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_03: If you have had three marriages, it's the guy's fault or the girls' fault.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_03: If you got cheated, it was whoever cheated you.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: We never stop to think and say, hmm, all of this is happening to me.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: I am at the center of all of this.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: How how am I fitting in?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: When we start to look at life, and and the way to say it is really, you're 100% responsible for everything that happens in your life, which means happening to you.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: You were responsible.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_03: So people say to me, Oh, you know, I didn't want my child to get sick, or you know, if somebody somebody passes away, or you know, they get a critical illness or divorce or anything that's that's unpleasant.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, you didn't, but you did at some point, something happened.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: You know, because if it's causing you pain, it is a part of your wounding pattern.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: We need to look at it, uh, and we need to, and that is the crux of my work.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_03: People come to me with all kinds of issues, financial, relationship, um, health, family, just just about everything.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: And this is this is my fundamental sort of, you know, we we we build everything on that.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: And if you don't have clarity on something, Nadine, how are you going to ever work on something when you don't know what it is about?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so clarity of your own life responsibility, looking at it from a wounding perspective, and and being honest with, okay, you know what, maybe I am um a lazy partner and you know I don't contribute, and therefore my husband and I have some difficulties in the relationship.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: And this is very practical.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_03: But when you look at it energetically and karmically, then it becomes about what is it trying to tell me?
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_03: How can I be the highest version of myself?
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: That could be a pretty hard pill to swallow, depending on what your life circumstances are, especially with the first thing that you mentioned, you know, a sick child.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um like accepting that that might be part of a karmic contract, that would be very tough to accept.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you kind of answered what I was going to ask about, you know, guilt and shame and blame and and um putting our hands up and saying, well, you know, it's just bad luck or I didn't do anything wrong.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's quite a journey that you'd have to go on to kind of really step outside of that current experience and say, What, you know, explore what is the higher purpose of this experience.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's that that would be quite some journey, I would expect.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_03: It is it is very hard, and that is why it is not easy work, and that is why a lot of people do a lot of different things in trying to develop themselves or heal themselves, you know, whichever, whichever it all ends in the same place, but depends on which path they're kind of taking.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, the developmental path is much more um cerebral, the healing path becomes more energetic, but whichever way it is, um, you know, unless you have no, and a lot of people do the work and then they still find that things didn't sort out the way they would have liked.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_03: And that is because the vast majority of the work that is being done, and I'm sorry to say that, um, does not go deep enough.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_03: And you're very right, when you start to do it, it is difficult.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you need a very qualified teacher to hold your hand, to point you in a direction, to know where to dig.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_03: And then when the skeletons come out, how are you going to manage the individual who's saying, I didn't do this, or this is not mine?
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like, for example, with young children, when um a mother comes to me with an ill child, I would treat her first.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: Because the pain that a mother feels when a child is unwell, and more the mother than the father, just because from a leanage perspective, um it's her karma.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, it's the child's karma too, but you know, and when I work with the mom and we, you know, heal a lot of things and clean a lot of things, the child starts to to get better just automatically.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_03: It is quite painful, sure, but the people that embark on this journey, Nadine, it is so beautiful the way it unfolds and the way they shift and so quickly.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um it is it it is so addictive to to want to keep keep you know doing it.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: That yeah, it's a real calling, isn't it?
• 41:36
  unknown: Yeah.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: So you specifically work with women who you refer to as high performing.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Is that um how would you how would you kind of describe that high performing woman?
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is it is it like they've got the you know, the job, the family, they seem to be successful on the outside, but there's stuff that's going on that they'd feel dissatisfied with.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_03: So just a little correction here.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm quite blessed that my clients are kind of 50-50, but I work with both men and women, and and the category is the same.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, a little bit of what we touched upon.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um they may have had uh tough childhood, but then they overcame it.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: They are qualified, they're educated, they you know are doing good work, but their relationships don't work, uh, their projects don't pan out the way they would like, they don't make as much money, you know, their their health issues, there it's it's so the basket is the same.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: The thing that attracts, I mean, every individual needs healing, every individual deserves to be healed.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: But having said that, when you work with people that are responsible for a multitude of people below them, you know, when you have a conscious leader, when you have a healed leader, it it trickles down in the most amazing way.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: The corporate culture changes, you know, it's kinder.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_03: People really thrive.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_03: So I love to work with them because it's aha moments after aha moments.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: And then when they look at a colleague, you know, they they're so empathetic because not only have they experienced the same thing, but now that divide is gone, that they are energetically able to understand that individual, their pain, their needs so well that that partnership and that relationship becomes um really very cooperative.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so then the employee wants to give back to the company so much more because they are truly valued and you know, they truly feel seen and loved, um supported, and vice versa, you know, and so then we thrive.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_03: So when you work with one person, if they have 20 people, five people, five hundred people who you know are uh working with them within a company, you you can you can create that impact.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: Impact far quicker and a greater impact.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I love it so much.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel I have spoken to other guests on the podcast who talk about conscious leadership and how at this point in time, how essential it is to become more aware as a leader.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen the devastation that a lack of that can create on a very large scale.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Stepping into something fresh and new and more aware, I guess.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, conscious seems like the best, the best choice.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I did the there are definitions and there are theories and there's all of that.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: One of the things Nadina have very consciously done is stayed away from a lot of big scientific explanations.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I've tried to keep everything very simple.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: So to me, what is a conscious leader?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: Conscious leader is somebody who has fundamental compassion.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'll give you a quick story.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_03: So when I was new to Canada, um I I happened to have an interior design degree, which I didn't talk about, but I closed my practice.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_03: When I was doing my master's, I had it was really, you know, God saying, you will need this, so you know, go take that decision kind of a story.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, um, so when I was new to Canada, I got a job uh working um for actually a very, very large company.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um I got a phone call from the schools that my son had actually cracked his head open.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_03: So they wanted me to come.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_03: And I was new and you know, to the country, and you know, I was a little afraid, and the whole atmosphere was very dominant within leadership.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: So I went, I didn't know how to ask because I thought, you know, how am I going to leave my working with chairs and tables to go look after my child whose head is bleeding, right?
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, I I went and asked uh somebody and I said, could I go?
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_03: And the guilt that they made me feel, and uh, you know, I will never forget that.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: That was really, and then I did say to her subsequently, like I literally left in tears, Nadine.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_03: Got to my child, he had to get seven stitches, all of that got done.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_03: And then subsequently I said to her, I said, every individual who had to give me permission to go is a mother.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_03: What part of a child is hurting and a parent is required, do you not get?
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: And what I'm not a neurosurgeon or a heart surgeon that if I leave, somebody dies on the table.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: I get that.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_03: We're this is interior design, you know, and so for me, a conscious leader would just be somebody who would say, forget everything, ajita, just go, look after your child.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it doesn't have to be anything phenomenal, but that would be phenomenal.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I mean?
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I think a lot of what's happening in today's day and age, I find uh, you know, people want to know the theory, they want to know what it's called.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, what's the science behind it?
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I always say this very cliche, but I said, when you fall in love with somebody, do you want a definition of it?
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_03: Or do you just feel something and go for it?
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_03: And it doesn't always work out.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_03: You know, spirituality and healing is really like that.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_03: You have a calling, it feels like it, it's a path, and it's a circuitous path.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_03: It is not a straight line.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you will have bumps and you will have scrapes and you'll go forward and you'll come backwards, and all of that and everything is a part of that evolutionary journey.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_03: So we need to just simplify things and and listen to our own heart more than anything else.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_03: We we have to come down from here into here because this is a way smarter.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: Where will we go?
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think, I've got a couple of other things, but it's kind of I feel like we're heading in in one particular direction, and I don't want to take us off that track.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: But one thing that has um I and I think this is connected to what you were saying about following our heart, it's like listening to our intuition, our inner voice.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: How do we do that?
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: Is it something that we've been able to do and we've forgotten?
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: Or yes, it is the most fundamental thing that we have within us.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: All of us have it.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_03: It is the guide, it is the light, it is our higher self.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_03: The different ways we could describe it, right?
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_03: But it is your constant partner.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_03: Now imagine there's a little child, and the child wants to climb up a tree, and the parents say, Don't do it, you'll fall down.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and then uh the child's painting, and the parents are saying, You'll spill the colours, so you know, don't do it, or you know, restricting basically in different ways that a child might have an idea and the parents don't listen.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_03: And you're shut down time and again.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_03: Everything that you're doing is coming bubbling up, it is you remembering who you are and the expression of that, but then the adults have their own way of thinking, they have their own experiences, and then they trust thrust that on you, and so in time you learn that if I want to fit in, if I want validation, if I want to be loved, then I have to follow that because if I don't, I'll be in trouble, and so eventually what happens, and then in time you lose faith.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: How many times, Nadine, have we said, and you have heard people say, oh shoot, I should have lost it to myself, or I I could feel it in the bit of my stomach.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_03: So your body, your mind, your soul is always talking to you, it's always telling you what to do.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_03: So the best way to start to develop it is it becomes trial and error.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_03: Because you don't know if it is your intellect talking or it is whether it is your um intuition talking.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_03: So initially, you have to play some games, you know.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I recommend simple things like when you can't find your keys, stand still with your eyes closed and feel into where it could be because it has energy, it is communicating with you, right?
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you can also sort of retrace your steps and say, okay, I went here and then I drank water, and you know, I put on my shoes and that kind of thing.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but in and and then you'll say, Oh, okay, I left it in the bathroom.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_03: So you go into the bathroom, you find them, and you're like, ah.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_03: So now you have those steps that you took, you can do it again.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_03: But if you don't find it there, and you find the keys of the kitchen or in a bedroom or somewhere, that means maybe it was not your intuition as much as it was your intellect that was talking to you.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_03: So then you try again.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_03: And it's very experiential, and there is but there's a very distinct difference between a thought and a feeling.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_03: The intuition is a feeling.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um the brain will you know think through, like I said, I went here, I did this, and you know, this is where it could be logically.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_03: And in time, when you play this with yourself, the distinction becomes apparent, and you the intuition is allowed to resurface and redevelop.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_03: And then the more you lean into that, uh, the more you play with it, the stronger it becomes.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, here's a question for you.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: We hear our intuition and it tells us to do something, but sometimes life just doesn't allow for that thing to be done, whatever it might may be.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, uh an example, you need to rest.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's a big one.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think our intuition tells us that, but we override it over and over again.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: But sometimes life just doesn't allow us to follow that intuition.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: What do we do then?
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: Do we acknowledge it?
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thank it, um tell it that today, sorry, I'm gonna have to override that thought.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: What do we do?
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_03: Now, this is not gonna be a very popular answer.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, that's alright.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but but remember when I said this whole game is between you and the divine?
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_03: This is this is about you.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_03: So when you are you want to marry somebody, you want to move out and get that job, you know, you don't feel well, which means they have to order pizza, you want to rest.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_03: Just there is a whole plethora of things, and we are constricted.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_03: This is where the concept of self-love and boundaries becomes front and center you are here to do to become the best version of yourself, and you have to do whatever is required for that to unfold um above all else.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_03: Now, you may upset your parents, you may, you know, there there's you'll go against society, and all of that will happen.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_03: That is where becoming strong and you know being spiritually sound, and I'm saying this with ease, I know it isn't an easy process, but if we train our children and if we train society to respect the unfolding of an individual, then we are the village is supporting each other and saying, Um, okay, Nadine, you need to rest.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_03: Don't worry about it, honey.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_03: I will do the cooking, or I will bring over a casserole, or you know, I'll take you to the doctor, whatever is required.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and you know, your family or your husband will say, Oh, the project in California is good for you.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_03: Don't worry about it.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_03: You go, you know, but unfortunately, we we don't have that liberty, or you're in a bad marriage, and nobody is helping you leave.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: So we we have a lot of work to do from a consciousness and societal perspective, but for an individual, I think little by little, it is important to accept responsibility.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_03: Have firstly have real clarity on what it is that you want.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_03: That in itself begins to open doors, you know, because we have a sense, I'm not happy here, or I want something else, but what is that we don't know?
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_03: Because we don't sit still enough to try and figure that out.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_03: Your intuition will tell you, your angels will tell you.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_03: So there's no easy answer to that, but plain and simple, if I had to say it in one line, I will say you must follow what comes up because that is your path.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_03: Nothing is going to present itself within your awareness unless it's meant for you.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_03: Something will teach you a lesson, something will, you know, but they're all taking you somewhere.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_03: How do you manage the lesson?
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_03: What do you do with it?
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_03: So everything eventually happens for our highest good, and we have to always be conscious of that uh process, um, that fact, and say, I'm gonna love myself.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_03: This is my journey.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_03: I am here to be the best version of me, and see how best it can be done.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes you can talk to people, um, sometimes uh there's a little bit of hurt.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's a real journey, isn't it?
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because um, as you said, you you're making it sound simple, and it is, but not necessarily in practice, especially when you're just starting out.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to be a little bit more.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: Simple but not easy.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: I've been on a you know, a journey of healing, self-awareness, um, for some years, and still I've dropped back into that victim mindset, you know, everyday life, you know, things aren't working out the way I want them to, not fast enough, not you know, whatever it might be.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: But when you frame it as these are invitations to either to to grow, but you know, no, Nadine, I will say this even though there's a lot of information available to us about how to develop, I truly, truly can say with my hand on my heart that unless you do deep karmic work and you can't do it by yourself, you know, where somebody knows what they're doing, the way you shift in just one day.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_03: May I share an example?
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, yes, please.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's a very uplifting example.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_03: So I was in Dubai, and and this is fascinating how the universe puts people together.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_03: So uh a friend of mine said to me, So, you know, he's in the dating game.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_03: So he was talking to this lady, and he happened to just say to her that a friend of mine has come from Canada, she's a healer, and this lady said to him immediately, I need a healer.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_03: So he said, Would you um be okay to to meet this this lady?
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm like, Yeah, sure, no problem.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_03: So he said, I'll call her over uh to the house, you know, I where I was staying.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm like, yeah, that's fine.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_03: So this lady walks in petite, white linen halter, dress, you know.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_03: And as I'm watching her walk down the corridor, if you have if we were ever to see a zombie, that's what she reminded me of.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_03: Dark, just it was awful.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I looked at her and I thought, oh my god.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, she sat, we we started speaking, and she could barely get to words out.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_03: She was just in an awful place.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_03: So to cut a long story uh or or to share her story, she had moved from France to Dubai, where her younger daughter lived, because her husband had told her a few months earlier he wanted a divorce.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_03: So she moved in with her younger daughter, whom she has no relationship with, and it was very ugly living there.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_03: She had been under psychiatric treatment for 12 years.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_03: She had gotten 18 electric shocks.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_03: She had been through every possible therapy known to mankind.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_03: And she had not worked for five years due to burnout, due to, you know, she couldn't manage.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_03: There were a lot of complications.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_03: She had been confined to a psychiatric facility, which her older daughter, you know, at 12 years old, had to take that decision.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like there was a lot of trauma within the family.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_03: So as I'm listening to her, I'm like, normally I don't do any healing on the first day because I take a deep history.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_03: And um in this case, I didn't even know if we were going to work together.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, I mentioned to her, I said, if you're okay, I would like to do some healing for you because you know.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_03: So she was like, I'm all yours, like just help me if you can.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_03: So I did my healing and you know, whatever I could do in the first shot.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_03: Nadine, you had to be there.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's literally like somebody took a mask off, the skin was glowing, she was smiling.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_03: And when she walked out, like there was a little bit of a skip in her step, and we agreed that we would.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_03: So so my process is is a little bit long term.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_03: It can't be done in a day.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_03: So I was coming back uh home, and you know, so we started working together.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_03: Within the first month, she was unrecognizable.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_03: So the first thing that happened, of course, you know, she would not get out of bed nading.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_03: She she just was so down and out and depressed.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_03: She joined a gym, she started going out.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I told her, you know, from get into some networking groups, meet some local people, go to a restaurant, she started doing all of those things.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: Her daughter and her, daughter didn't like her because of everything that had happened, you know.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_03: She was 20 years old, yeah.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_03: And uh again, within a month, maybe even less, the daughter and the mother, the daughter's heart opened towards the mother.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_03: And then she started taking mom out to the mall and you know to the beach when she would go to with her friends somewhere, they became really close.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like the daughter would come into mom's bed, and you know, they would do mother-daughter things and talk.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_03: Then eventually, of course, she brought her younger daughter and her older daughter into to heal with me.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I was working with all three of them.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_03: But life-changing.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it was 12 years of, and she was on, I don't know, 17, very, very hard medicines.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_03: And here is this process that requires you to do nothing, change nothing.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_03: You follow the doctor's advice.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_03: I always tell my clients the doctors will change your dosage, the doctors will take you off.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_03: Your medication because your blood report is going to be different.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's not my place.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not a daughter.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, she was on lithium and she was on all kinds of things that just wanted to date.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, no, no, no, not now.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_03: You have to heal before you get into another relationship.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I also told her on day one, I think you're gonna go back to your husband.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_03: And subsequently, so I want to say about we worked together for six months, she did move back to France.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, it it's I mean, this kind of thing is impossible for you to do on your own.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_03: And there are also other things.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_03: Her her house in France, um, where she had to go a few times, and you know, that had certain things that uh required me to do some work, and um, I don't want to talk about it here, um, which was a big contributor to to her state of being.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so I I had asked her, I said, don't sleep in that bed, don't sleep in that room for now, you know, change your mattress.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_03: There there were other very, very dark energies in the house, in the basement, etc., that really needed uh to be to be worked through.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, unbelievable and such a beautiful, such a lovely lady.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you another one.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: Go for it.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_03: So I recently um was introduced.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh a client of mine brought her neighbor, and this is a scary one.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_03: You know, she's she's fairly young, she has two young children, uh, and she said, I have since I was 16 years old, which is over 15, 20 years in her life, she is, it's not like dispossession.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_03: But there are these very dark entities that visit her in her dreams, even when she's awake, and you know, and they traumatize her.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, she can't sleep, they they they show her they're killing her children, like really awful things.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_03: She has lupus and many other things she has developed.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_03: Month and a half and they're gone.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_03: Well, they're gone.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_03: There's no visitation, she's sleeping, she's happy.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, now we'll start working on all the physical things that she has, um, but even emotionally and from a self-confidence perspective, you know, she you can she seems different within herself, you know, she's like, I don't know who this is.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_03: So these kinds of shifts, you know, um are just not possible for an individual to do on their own or to take courses or you know, you need an external and even regular things.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_03: If you have an external, if you have external help, like you asked me, if you have a teacher, they in if they can work at that deep level, you they can move you um so quickly that a lot of other um modalities just can't.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so obviously this is a big part of the work that you do, the one-on-one, but you're also you also have um a healing and awakening circle.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you you've recently started a community on school.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Can you tell us about those different things that you're doing and and how they might differ from the one-on-one work?
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_03: So the Becoming Unlimited Circle is really a free weekly class that I conduct.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a group work.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh a bunch of people are there.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so I have starting at seven today.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so what here, what I'm my my sort of idea is not everybody knows enough about, especially the kind of healing I do.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um they don't have the resources, they don't have an understanding.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and you can't heal everybody either, right?
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_03: So I thought if I could take care of even just the spiritual counseling part in a group, you know, so I could take identity, for example, talk about how is identity formed, they could look at themselves.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_03: I do do group group healing for them so that you know I can just help them shift.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but the whole idea, that's why it's called becoming unlimited, that you could take that information and you know, and there's a lot of like I give homework and uh inner child work and chatter work and you know things like that.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_03: And um, and I have them taught to me so that I could, you know, figure out what they should do very sort of specific to them.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_03: The school community is just becoming unlimited, moving into now, uh, because that's more on Zoom and on WhatsApp.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I want to formalize it and taking it into you know as a school community so that um, you know, we could also start talking to more people to join.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and at this point, it is in fact 23rd is going to be a one-year anniversary for becoming unlimited.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I just started it last year, but you know, time has flown.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so that's what this is about.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_03: Just to educate people on spirituality and how they could take components of it and apply it to themselves, and at least if they're not doing the healing, then heal in you know, under the guidance of a teacher.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_01: One of the just as we come to a close, I that does sound amazing.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_01: It sounds like a great um service to people to have that available to them.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I wonder as we come to a close, one of the things that um I have experienced and women that I've spoken to over the last few years have experienced is this idea of purpose in midlife and really beginning to question what is my purpose, how can I serve?
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel like this is a real calling for you, something that you've had to really come to realize, or does it feel like it's just always flowed through you?
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_03: It actually has only always flowed through me.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, I've had the opposite problem.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_03: So, like I said, you know, because I did that interior design degree.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so when I came out of uh school, you know, I did some pretty good work.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and I thought, yeah, you know, there was recognition and there was joy in creating all the things that I was.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_03: And a lot of them were like kind of one of a kind.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_03: So I was very um sort of pumped to to go down that fruit.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_03: But the universe did not allow me, you know, to, it did not allow me to do anything else.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_03: I I was brilliant at many different things.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry to say brilliant, it sounds arrogant, I don't mean to.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um but the universe did not allow that to to unfold and become any bigger than, you know, I had all of these massive dreams and goals and ambitions.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_03: No, and and you know, the friend of um I was telling you about when I met him, I met him through my textiles business, which was related to the design, you know, and I met him in New York, and he just looked at me and he goes, and when are you going to what were his words were, when are you going to start taking your life seriously and do what you were here to do instead of wasting all this time and energy?
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I just looked at him and I'm like, I don't even know you.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_03: What are you talking about?
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and then of course our relationship started, and you know, we're great friends, but so so that's what it is.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_03: I was just not allowed to do anything else.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like for you know, people who do feel uh who have succeeded in their careers, in their, you know, their family relationships, if they are questioning purpose, that perhaps and and like if there hasn't been a blockage of you know the process so far, but they they feel they do feel stuck or they do feel like there's something more that they haven't quite lived into yet, that perhaps those experiences have been in preparation for what is to come.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's one aspect.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_03: The really big aspect, uh Nadine, is that we don't walk the path we've been to.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_03: So when we're younger, we follow the family career.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_03: We, you know, our parents live vicariously through us, so you know, they want us to become X, Y, or Z, or you know, uh, you have to become a sports person or, you know, whatever.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_03: And because an individual is so young and we're looking for guidance, you know, the guidance is outside of us.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's where the intuition becomes very important.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, just very quickly, when when my son was three, four years old, because I come from a doctor's family and I didn't become a doctor, I thought, ah, he's going to become a doctor, you know, knowing better than you know, I should have.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_03: But very quickly, because I watched him very closely, he was very good with dexterity, he was very good with puzzles.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I said to him a few times, you know, you could be a surgeon.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_03: And he started to say very early on, first, of course, he wanted to be a paleontologist, but then subsequently he started saying, I'm going to build bridges.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't have an engineer in my family, you know, and I kind of pushed him once or twice, and I realized that that's what he's here to do.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_03: You know, my son has uh two engineering degrees now, and we let him chart his path while we stood behind him, you know, and that becomes very important, and and and not to say everything is you know free-flowing and easy and everything, but a lot of people that start to question purpose at some points in their lives and midlife more because you're empty nesters and you know you've achieved a lot of those basic responsibilities that we have, and you know, you can sit back and say, now is my time, right?
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it comes up because we are not totally aligned with what we were here to do.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, everything contributes to our growth, everything teaches us, everything gives us.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, sometimes it's easier, sometimes it's very difficult.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_03: So if you're bumping heads against something, it's going to be hard.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_03: But that's what purpose is.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_03: And the easiest way to find purpose, you know, is to sit and see what ideas come and the recurring ideas.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_03: You should become an art teacher or uh, you know, whatever it might be.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_03: And then you try that, and if you love it, then that's what it is.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we've made purpose also, um, just I don't uh kind of out of time, um, much bigger than it needs to be.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, everybody is not meant to be Elon Musk.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_03: Or, you know, and just because you are doing excuse me, but like data point and creating little purses or you know, some beautiful piece of art or something, that's great purpose.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, that's your purpose, and you're contributing to the world the way it needs to be plugged in, you know.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_03: So we we have to simplify that purpose piece also, uh, and take the pressure off ourselves that you know we have to be Henry Ford or somebody like that.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, every individual and everything that we do uh contributes to the universe.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_01: And whatever you feel like doing, you do that.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Hey there, Rebel.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for listening to this episode of the Midlife Rebel Podcast.
• 1:20:11
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• 1:20:21
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