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Ursula Brendling - - Kirkstone Pass - fitness instructor, personal trainer, teacher trainer and climate literacy trainer · Sukany4: The Walk and Talk Podcast

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: There's a moment, you'll know it, when you're halfway up a steep hill, and your lungs are burning, your legs are saying no, thank you, and the person beside you says something that just stops you in your tracks.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: Not because you need to catch your breath, although that might be true at the same time, but because they've just said something that causes you to pause.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today's guest is Ulyssela Brendling, fitness instructor, personal trainer, climate literacy trainer, and one of only a handful of people in the world with that exact name.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, go on, you know you're going to look it up online, and she'll be the only one you find.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: She spent nearly three decades helping people move, helping people recover from stroke, living with MS, people like you and me who just need someone to believe in them on those hard days.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: At 50, she swam across Windermere and made a promise to herself with water that changed the course of her life.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: This conversation is about movement, identity, community, and what happens when you stop chasing someone else's version of you.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Sakania and this is Sakania the Podcast, and today we are taking a very, very steady walk up Kirkston Pass, Ursula's most favourite walk.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: If you're new here, welcome.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: And if you've come back to check out this episode, welcome back.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know the drill, so get cozy or grab those boots and let's walk.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, Ursula.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: Hello Sukania, how are you doing?
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm fine, thanks.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: How are you?
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_04: Very good.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_04: Good.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_04: Well, thanks for taking me on this walk today.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I'm loving this walk already because it's steep.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_04: It is steep, and we are gonna go very slowly.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_04: We are gonna yes, absolutely.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_04: It's not that kind of show, Ursula.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_04: So you were saying that your name is the only one in the world.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, if you Google uh Sula Brendling, as far as I know, you'll only find me.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_04: That's amazing.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_04: I think I'm the only person with my combination of names as well.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_05: Oh really?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: You're in good company.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I can't do anything bad, so it'll all come up.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_04: So have you always lived in Cumbria?
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_04: No, no.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um so I've I was born in Nottingham.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_04: And then I worked for the Youth Hospitals Association.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: So I lived in different places.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_04: I've also worked in the Virgin Islands.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, have you?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_04: British Virgin Islands.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, and we did a tour around Australia and I've lived in Kakadoo National Park.
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  SPEAKER_04: So where's Kakadoo National Park?
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  SPEAKER_04: Right in the northern part of Australia.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so with the Aborigines.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_04: So yes, in many, many places I've lived.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that sounds amazing.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_04: So how did you end up in the lakes?
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's the got the biggest youth hostel in the UK.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_04: And we applied for that when I was married to my ex-husband.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_04: And uh yeah, we got it.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_04: And so we ran Ambleside Youth Hostel.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, oh that's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_04: I know, I know.
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  SPEAKER_04: Wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's got one of the best locations.
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  SPEAKER_04: It really does.
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  SPEAKER_04: And it's a good stopping point, isn't it, when the ferry's not quite there.
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  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_04: And we always had a vision that locals could come there and have a drink and it wouldn't be so expensive, and that's exactly what's happened.
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's great.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I love a youth hostel.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I am a bit snobby, of course, but and I will take a private room.
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  SPEAKER_04: But I love to support it.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, there are private rooms now and lots of iPhone.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: And actually, we we stayed in a dorm once and it was all friends, so that was really nice.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_04: Oh really fun.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_04: And they're in some of the best locations as well.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so you came to came back to the UK, moved to Cumbria, found the youth hostel, and how long did you do that for?
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  SPEAKER_04: So we came in 1999.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_04: So I've been here now for what is it, 25 years?
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_04: 25 years.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_04: I'm maybe I'll be seen as a local now.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, totally.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it still depends who you ask.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_04: My accent's a bit weird, so yeah.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_04: Is that from all the travel?
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_04: I think so.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: I spent a lot of time in New Zealand.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: So I think I've got a little bit of a twang.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you definitely have a twang on picking something up.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_04: And my best friend's from London, so she's probably got a bit of an influence.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_04: And my partner's southerner, so there you go.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_04: So there's yeah, there's a few influences there.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_04: Just gonna take a picture of the struggle because that sign is so dramatic.
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  SPEAKER_04: 20%.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_04: 20%.
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  SPEAKER_04: I have driven down the struggle.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_04: I have to say, I was so proud of myself.
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  SPEAKER_04: Because you know, when you've come out of a relationship and you're regaining or reminding yourself that actually I am the core of me is still here, and I can still do these things.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_04: And I got to the top, and I thought, right, effort, I'm gonna do it.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_04: And I drove down and it was really fun.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_04: And since then I've done hard not pass as well, and why not?
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, Oh, I can do this, I can do this.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's fine.
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  SPEAKER_04: Don't empowerment, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_04: We can do it on our own.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we can do these things, and it's really fun.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_04: The the adrenaline makes it more fun as well, so I totally get that.
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  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, so why Kirksman Pass?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_04: Huh.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_04: Well, Kirks and Pass has a very big special part in my memory, yeah.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll always have it because four times now I've worked with a group of 30 women to pull a car up Kirks and Pass.
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  SPEAKER_04: And was that for charity?
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_04: It was for charity, always for charity.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: So this year we did it on Mother's Day.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of them were mothers.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh nice.
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  SPEAKER_04: And uh it was for our local hospice Mary's oh yes in Alvaston.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_04: In Alvaston, yeah.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_04: We broke the record again.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_04: So they did so broke the record.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_04: What do you mean?
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  SPEAKER_04: So um we set a record historically of how long we've taken.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's about like one hour, six minutes.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay, and this year we did it in 56 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, so yeah.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_04: Now the girls were so girls were outrageous.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I know.
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  SPEAKER_04: They were a lot of them were runners, okay, which makes a massive difference.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a lot of them did strength training, so they prepped for it for sure.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: We did train.
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  SPEAKER_04: You have to, we trained right from September there.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_04: Oh okay, and what does the training look like?
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's like running up here.
• 7:40
  unknown: Oh god.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_04: No thanks.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_04: Is it really?
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, so well.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_04: If we get to the 11-minute bench, that was a cut-off place.
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  SPEAKER_04: So do you want us to be on the team?
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_04: You had to get from the post office to the bench in 11 minutes.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_04: Goodness me.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_04: And if they can do that, yeah, that's an achievement in itself, isn't it?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's a there's a lot of strong ladies around our side.
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  SPEAKER_04: That's amazing, and that's so inspiring, it's like so motivating because it's just it's practice, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, consistency.
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  SPEAKER_04: It was a teamwork thing, it's lovely to work with a group of women all trying to do something really difficult together, but not for themselves, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Charity.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so have you always worked with women?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_04: Women and men?
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_04: Anyone?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_04: Anyone?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and fitness.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's mainly about what I'm trying to do, and I've worked for 30 years now, fitness.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, is to help people improve the quality of their life.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I love that, yeah.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_04: And so they can enjoy their life as much as possible.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes it's improving their fitness, sometimes it's improving their balance, yeah.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes it's helping them lose weight, yeah.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes it's helping them lose use, change their mindset, yeah.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_04: Have a aim, yeah, whatever it may be.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I guess you've had uh quite a range of aims and goals and mindset shifts over the years.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_04: Is that yourself you mean?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yourself, your clients.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, and let's start with your journey.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: How did you get into fitness?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_04: Well, as a child I was very ill with asthma.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: So I used to remember just spending weeks lying on a sette, oh really, not doing anything.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_04: However, my watching friends playing, I guess.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I know, it was frustrating, and that inhalers weren't as good as they are now.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so when I was only um five years old, unfortunately, I nearly passed away.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_04: I was that bad, yeah, but I loved dancing.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_04: My mum said I love I loved music, yeah, I love dancing, and anytime I was well, I was always dancing.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so nice.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_04: So that would have been my dream job, yeah.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_04: Professional dancer, and then I got from our when I was about 16, I went to a class, aerobics class, uh-huh, where there were jumping and star jumps and burpees and like getting the heart rate up.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, this is my thing.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you found your home.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: Not yoga, not Pilates, yeah, jumping around and just being happy to music.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, one of the first things I said to my PT was I don't jump.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: I'm definitely in the yoga Pilates camp.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_04: But that's great, that's awesome.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_04: Jumping's good for you, yeah.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_04: No, I've never like my criteria is if I can run after a bus, I'll be really happy.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_04: I don't need to jump on it.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think that's the thing with fitness.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_04: I've always listened to what people want.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, people are all different, and people one thing doesn't fit everybody for sure.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_04: So that's that's really important to me.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that I get to hear what they want, yeah.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_04: And just because somebody's body works really well doing whatever it may be running, it might not be for everybody, right?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely, and also this whole thing of you want to want to do it.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like for me, I want to want to go the next day, and I don't want someone to make me do something that's gonna really put me off.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it's finding that one thing that people like, yes.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I had a lady who's really good at fitness who comes to my classes and she went, Do you know what, S you are?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: I hate fitness.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_04: I said, What?
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: You're amazing at it.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't like it, but I just know it's good for me.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_04: So that's interesting, that is, isn't it?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_04: And also very dedicated to push through those emotions.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: I know to show up.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I mean, she's glowing, she's 65 years old, she looks like twenty twenty years younger, so yeah, she can see what it does for her.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I kind of do it for my future self.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I enjoy it based on what I'm doing now, and for my future self, so that she's gonna be so proud of me for having done it, so she can get off the sofa, do you know what I mean, and carry shopping and be independent.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, when I work with my 80, 90 year olds, I understand, they say to me, we don't want to be reliant on anyone else, you know?
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: We want to be independent, we want to be able to get in and out of a chair by ourselves, dress ourselves.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_04: So they come to the classes because they can see the functional impact of it.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_04: So, what age ranges are we talking here?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my, yeah, there's a lady who comes who's 94, wow, from Hawkshead.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_04: She catches a taxi to come to the class.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's so great.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, another wonderful lady, unfortunately, she passed away, but she was 93.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_04: And she skipped 20 skips.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, that's amazing.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, well, they're all amazing.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it doesn't matter what age you are.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_04: No, really.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_04: No, I kind of say to myself, as long as I do something active every day, it doesn't matter what it is.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, as long as you enjoy it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's hard when people don't enjoy, and there are people who don't.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_04: And I understand that.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_04: And that can be difficult, but it's trying to find something.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_04: And there will be, won't they?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_04: And again, I think going back to what you said earlier, it's the whole mindset shift as well.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_04: I think for me, I've always walked, even when I lived in the south, I always walked everywhere.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_04: And then um actually coming here is when I stopped walking and I started driving everywhere.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, oh no, why am I gaining weight?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_04: And so I had to find a different way of incorporating those those miles through my day because I wasn't commuting anywhere.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yeah, I get that.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_04: So can you got options here?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's a shorter circuit back.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_04: Or you can go further and do a longer circuit back.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_04: What mileage are we talking?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_04: This is 5k?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: This is about two and a half K.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, we'll do five.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_04: Are you sure?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_04: I think so.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_04: I mean and you'll see the 11-minute bench then.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, perfect, okay.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_04: Just where you want to be.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we can't miss that bench because I am already sweating like crazy, which is not unusual for me, but I can't having walked it very slowly, Yasula, I can't imagine running out here.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_04: I think practice makes a lot of people say to me, There's no way I want to run.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's no way I'm going to do this.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I'm never gonna do the Lakeland 50.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_04: And then it happens, it happens, yeah.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_04: There's no such thing as never.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's um the human body is quite incredible.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_04: One of our friends did the Lakeland 100 at the weekends.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh gosh.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: I cannot honestly imagine walking, running 100 miles.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so just in case anyone doesn't know, what is the Lakeland 50 and 100?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's um it's uh basically a race or a challenge of 50 miles running through a beautiful area of Lakeland, uh-huh, but with a higher lot of altitude.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and the other one's a hundred miles where they run through the night.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_04: Oh god, yeah.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_04: People go, why aren't you gonna do that?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I go, well, I always I did a challenge when I was 50, yeah.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_04: And I said after that, if you get me through it, God, if you get me through this one, I will help others to do their things.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: And it was very strong kind of thing.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_04: I was swimming across Windermere, the sun was coming, yeah, and I thought, okay, I'm gonna do this, but I don't want to keep doing things for myself.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I want to help others, yeah.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_04: That's more it gives me better satisfaction.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay, yeah, that's really interesting.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because you can be a hero for a day, yeah.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, it's more about being a that lasting them being the heroes, yeah.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: And actually it's making last thing change, and there's a lot of improving self-esteem and things connected to these challenges, isn't there?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and some people need to do those kinds of things.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_04: We don't need to do that, do we?
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_04: No, I'm I'm very happy to support.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_04: I've done the Kazakh to Barrow a few times and I've enjoyed.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, have you well that is I don't know what you're talking about, that is what I'm saying.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_04: That was I mean, I thought that was really fun.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, there you go.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_04: You may well like the Leyland system.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_04: Oh maybe.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_04: What I really liked is um oh stopping off for my sandwiches.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_04: Oh so I had all my sandwiches pre-prepared.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_04: But oh, is this the bench?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_04: This is the bench.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I say, how long has it taken us to do?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_04: 16 minutes.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so that's not bad.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_04: For a very scary place.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_04: We're getting off the let's um get a photo of you on the bench.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, let's beautiful, love it.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_04: So we've got some beautiful views here as well.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_04: We really do.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_04: That's another reason I like it, and and you wouldn't believe that there's so many people down there, exactly.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll start going off in, there'll be nobody.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I love that for us.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_04: So nice deep breaths now.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just so quiet.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_04: We can hear the birds.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_04: Breath work, I find, is very important to me having had asthma, yeah, and also unfortunately, long covet.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, did you?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_04: I think that was the worst thing for me.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think it's because it changed my personality.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_04: I'm very energetic.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, oh yeah, let's do this, and it was like all I could do was lie in bed.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_04: Oh gosh.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_04: And I've never ever appreciated how awful it must be to have something like Emmy, yeah, or chronic fatigue, yeah.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_04: Like Miranda, who's another one of my heroes, yeah.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_04: Really, yeah.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_04: I just feel so one of the reasons I wanted to do this podcast in this format was to bring the outdoors inside.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_04: Because I feel like sometimes we get so locked in our heads that we forget actually that it's okay to release ourselves from all of that and just step outside, and it's so good for us just to see green and be around trees, and it changes that mood, like if especially if you're doing it consistently.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_04: Do you just remember that actually the things that make us happy are probably things like walking outside for sure and hearing the birds and not the things we think we should be worrying about?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_04: So do you still um have problems from COVID?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, okay.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_04: Luckily not, but I do know lots of people that still do.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so did you modify your fitness classes to consider that?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I had to take about four months off work.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and then gradually get back to it.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I can honestly say it's gone.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_04: So it was inhalers, it was respiratory people that really helped me.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I tried all the natural therapies, yeah, and I would try anything, yeah.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_04: But end of the day, I think uh exercise is really good for my asthma as well.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_04: Look at that beautiful, it's beautiful, it is beautiful, it's just so quiet and lovely up here.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_04: Have you been up here before?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_04: I have never been up here before.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I've got Humbleside a lot to eat.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, my lot.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_04: And now Force Cafe's open, I go there a lot to eat and the view's amazing.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and I have walked from I've done like the Rydal uh Grasmere figure of eight walk from Humbleside and the coffin route.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, but I can't remember.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um you know I've just got one of these brains that I just can't remember starting points.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_04: I'll do it and then I've forgotten already.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so but I'm very lucky to have very patient friends who are happy to come along.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm getting better, I'm getting better at the ones around um bonus and windermere for sure.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, these are these are this is a lovely circuit.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just because of the views and takes you off yeah off the well Kirkston Pass is special anyway, but when you get off it as well, it's it's lovely.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_04: What kind of training did you do to get into the fitness stuff?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_04: So when I trained, which was now 30 years ago, it was a two week intensive course to become a fitness instructor with the YMCA.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think it's that long anymore.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_04: Oh really?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_04: And then I did a year's course to do personal training.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I've also done a year's course teaching training.
• 22:12
  unknown: Yeah.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: Because I do um teaching for other things as well.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like like so customer service, leadership, um, most importantly, I believe carbon literacy and climate training.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: So to help people understand the climate crisis, actually understand what's happening now, yeah, and what they can do and what we can do collectively.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's not all about the individual, really, it's about all of us.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_04: I agree with that.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I think well, we'll come back to the climate stuff, but um, there is a lot of miseducation, misunderstanding around that, and and also the small changes we can make every day that will probably help a lot.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_04: So you did a year personal training, yes, and then you teach qualifications as well.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and um then I've been teaching classes since I've been since 30 years ago.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so wherever I've lived, I've always done classes.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_04: That's a lovely thing to be able to take with you, yeah, and a really nice way to build community in that way as well, isn't it?
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_04: And I've had the nicest, wonderful people in my classes.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: Really, they really are and why they and they keep coming back, even though I'll put them through a whole lot of pain.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_04: So oh, I love that.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_04: So, what have you noticed has changed in the industry in the last 30 years?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_04: It was very much dance-oriented, you know.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_04: Kind of step classes, aerobic classes, it was kind of it's very much female oriented.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_04: Whereas now it's it's very much uh strength-based, yeah, which is great.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_04: I can't I definitely know it's significant and it's important to have strength training.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: So it's much more, I mean, even Pilates, even everything has usually got some weights attached to it.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_04: Whereas that didn't really happen so much.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_04: It was way more cardio.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_04: A lot more cardio, yeah.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_04: And I guess that's obviously because uh we are better educated in what our body needs to sustain us our lifestyles.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and of course, there's been a lot more research showing how much muscle mass we lose as we get older.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and yeah, as you can see, people are living a lot longer, yeah.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, that's the big changes, really.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_04: Look at all these guys.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: I know, look at them all.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_04: Kind of stop and watch you.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_04: I've never seen so many things here.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_04: What are you doing?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh there's some lovely collies here.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_04: I love it.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh I love that.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, good sound effect.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_04: So this is one of our favourite routes as well for our running group.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_04: How often do you meet?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: Every every Tuesday night.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, cool, all year round.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: All year round.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh amazing.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_04: At six o'clock, so yeah, and it's free, yeah, it's for all levels.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, I love that.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_04: So I set that up um years ago.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_04: About ten years ago now.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_04: It used to be called Ray Runners, so we always met at Ray Castle.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_04: And then after COVID, after I was ill, it became I thought let's just do Ambleside.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: So we just start from Ambleside all around here.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so that's another great community.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_04: So I've got many great communities.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_04: And how many classes do you do a week?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh eight.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: Eight.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: What days do you go?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: About ten clients.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_04: Is that two days, two classes a day, or how does it work out?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_04: So Mondays, three classes.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_04: Tuesdays one class.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I made up my own class called the one class Wednesdays.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_04: Because I there's so many franchises that you have to pay into.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_04: And uh I just wanted to create my own class where I didn't have to follow.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_04: Because I felt I had enough experience to choose the right things.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, it's been really popular.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_04: Oh amazing.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_04: So I say to people, if you do one class, do this one.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_04: This one will take all the boxes.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_04: And are they in the evenings?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_04: That one is in the evening.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I guess the the Monday will be through the day.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_04: Monday, yeah.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_04: We've got two in the evening and one in the morning.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: One again.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, it could be boggy here.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_04: Can you?
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_04: Has it rained?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_04: I've been in my cave.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't even noticed not very much, not recently.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's lovely.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't it?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm really enjoying your vibe.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_04: You're like so centred and chill.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's so nice.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_04: That's good.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_04: I love that.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_04: How do people find out about your classes?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so it's on my website.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's called The Classes.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_04: What's your website?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_04: Ursula Training.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so look up Ursula.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: Well, as you know.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yes.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: There is only one.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_04: Ursula Brendling.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_04: So when I was, you know, when I was thinking we were thinking of getting married, I said, I can't be called Ursula Thompson.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_04: You know, there's millions of them.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_04: Do you hold on to the case?
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't write a double barrel name because I thought I sounded there.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_04: So anyway, okay, so just Google your name.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_04: Ursula training, yeah, the classes are there.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_04: There's posters around.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, amble sign.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_04: And anyone can join it's a pay as you go, so you don't have to buy to do a block.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: So you could come and think, no, it's not for me, or you love this.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so it takes that pressure off.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: And actually that's a really good point because I think when people are thinking about signing up to things, and I know I've done this before, I've been put off by a block because I'm always like, Well, what if I hate it?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_04: And then I've paid, yeah, you know, so much money up front.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_04: And I want to make it easy for people, you know, rather than booking things and having to book and just come.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll fit you in.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it sounds like you have a really good vibe with everyone because you're listening.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_04: And I see them, you know, progressing and getting really strong.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_04: And my kids say, Well, my kids, they're not really kids, they go, Mum, don't you think you're getting a bit old for this?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know, because everyone who's around me is getting older too.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, exactly.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's always like there's always a need for people who look like you as well.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you don't, I don't think it should be an age thing.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_04: Fitness is for everyone, isn't it?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, for sure.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_04: And needs to be accessible to everyone.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, this is another little hill.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_04: I might just take a layer off.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no worries.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_04: Let's go up this hill, which is lusciously green, inviting, like all of them are.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_04: This is the last hill.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_04: It's one of those deceiving hills because it looks okay, but actually it's quite steep.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_04: Take small steps.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_04: So climate change then, what what got you into that?
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I've always been a lover of the wonderful natural world we live in.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_04: And um just want to keep it like this, keep it so for my own kids and yeah, my grandkids.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_04: And also so I wanted to know more about it and be actually informed about the science.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_04: So when I looked into the science, it's I was like, oh my goodness, this isn't gr good.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_04: But there are things we can do.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: As a human race, we've achieved lots of great stuff.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_04: So we can do this, yeah.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_04: But people won't want to do it unless they aren't informed properly.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: So I thought it'd be good to use my skills as a trainer to teach it without you know the guilt or the, you know, oh gosh, I can't fly.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_04: But there's other things to do.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I love it because it's it's an eye-opener, it can be shocking.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but also it's motivational and it's about truth.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_04: And what what does a training course with you look like?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_04: Have I signed up to one of your courses?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_04: The climate courses are I work for future-proof Cumbria.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: And who are they?
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_04: They are the biggest organisation to help people reduce their carbon footprint in Cumbria.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_04: So they work with lots of different community groups, and it's all about working with communities, yeah, helping them reduce their energy bills, helping them transition.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_04: So I work for them as a freelance trainer.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_04: So it's either online or it's in person.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: And we also do like a three-hour interactive workshop with pictures and cards.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_04: We work with young people, which is very important.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm actually going to stand at Amble Side show on first.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, are you?
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_04: Oh amazing.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_04: But um, I'm thinking, you know what, it's like people just walk past climate change.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm gonna do arm wrestling to get them engaged and raise money for the charity.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: Because I do have a claim, no one no woman has ever beaten me at arm wrestling.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_04: What?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_04: Apart from one.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my goodness.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_04: Who's Taekwondo champion of Yorkshire?
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_04: How dare they! So I thought if I'd bring them in with an arm wrestle, yeah, and then go, oh.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_04: By the way.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll see how it goes, but it's supposed to be raining or first time.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, is it so hey home?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we're used to that.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: We're used to that.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_04: So I love this view.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: Look at this.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_04: This is apart from it's a bit cloudy.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_04: You can start to see the langdales now.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_04: It is just stunning.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I feel slightly overwhelmed by the fact that we live here.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_04: You know, every time I do these walks, I just think it's just so stunning.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel sad for the people who spend their weekends queuing up outside Arndale.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_04: I just think, and I've seen that on a Sunday morning when I've been in Manchester, and there's been a big queue outside the Arndale.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_04: I was thinking, why?
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_04: What are you doing?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_04: Just jump on a train and go for a walk.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's gonna be so much more satisfying.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe they love that too.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_04: Who knows?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_04: Who knows?
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_04: Well maybe if everybody was here it won't be the same.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's a good point.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_04: But there's I think the point is that I'm trying to make is there's a different life experience, isn't there?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like this is so uplifting and joy-giving.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_04: And you just have to step outside.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't mean in the lake district, anywhere.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_04: So anyway, I'll get off my soapbox.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_04: No, but you're right, but I've also known people who have got lots of anxiety.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: And they go out in nature and they take their head with them.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_04: So it's Yeah, it's hard.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's really hard.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_04: Stress is the worst thing, I think, for health.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_04: It is.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_04: It is.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_04: And actually, my favourite podcaster, Dr.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: Rangan Chatterjee, talks about did you love him?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_04: I love him.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like I literally, I mean, I buy his shoes.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_04: I buy his books.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: He's the most influential person in my ears on a weekly basis.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: But everything he says makes sense, and all his guests just make sense to me.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_04: And actually, maybe I should ask Tap him up for some commission because I talk about him a lot.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_04: But he um talks about, you know, as a GP when he sees patients, a big factor is stress.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_04: And GPs or training for being a doctor doesn't always or hasn't historically covered things like that.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_04: So it's been a case of throwing pills at stuff.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: So when people come to me with their aches and pains, and so often it's can be inflammation caused by stress.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_04: Life is stressful.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_04: All I would say is if you go through a stressful time, get out for a long walk, like you said, out in the fresh air, get rid of that stress.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_04: You don't want to keep it.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_04: I find it's like therapy.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_04: So through COVID, when we had lockdown, I that's when I started walking every single day.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_04: I thought I took this decision that okay, prior to the lockdown, this is how much time I spent in a car, this is how much time I spent in an office, and actually that that's what I'm gonna apply to exercising.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_04: And I just made this decision I wasn't gonna drink alcohol, I wasn't gonna watch TV till the evenings, and I set myself like five key rules for my day, and I stuck to it, and actually just waking up and going for that walk and coming back and having my brunch, I felt like I was winning.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, it was like magic.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_04: What a great idea! You did the right thing, yeah.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_04: I felt like you know, I think I was lucky that I had that thought process because it was so hard for so many people, and I spoke to a lot of my friends who really struggled day to day because you know, just that social interaction of the office and that kind of thing was is so important, it's hugely underestimated, I think.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_04: So when um I wasn't doing the classes during when I had COVID and long COVID, it I just realised how important the classes had been to me because I finished the classes for a while and it did make me quite down, so I realised how much I need that social interaction as well.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_04: Because I was working on my own as a I was only doing personal training, yeah, then and I thought, mmm, no, I've got to go back to my uh that's your community.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_04: My community.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's really interesting.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_04: This past week I've had so many things pop up on my socials or conversations focusing on community, and I just wonder if we're kind of in a space now where we're recognizing.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_04: I think there is a global pandemic of loneliness anyway, and computers and the internet and social media makes it facilitates that loneliness, and we think that we're being social, but we're not, we're interacting with strangers on a phone and seeing a human being and like having a hug is changes everything, yeah.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_04: And I think yeah, it's really interesting that so many more people I'm speaking to are focusing more on calling in community.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_04: And I love that.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, I love that for us.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_04: Well, when you look at people who are living the longest, they're often living in communities.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, where they're and often women as well, aren't they?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_04: Statistically, yeah.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_04: You are better sometimes at chatting.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, this is the thing, you know, if um where you do have guys who are on their own and older, I think it's quite well known that guys are less good at make making and maintaining friendships.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_04: And so it's it's a real issue.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_04: Well it's great that you're creating that space and giving people that space.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's great with the social running group because a lot of men, you know, uh in the fitness groups it is I wouldn't say it's predominantly women, yeah.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's about sixty percent women.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, whereas in the running group we've got about eighty percent.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's amazing.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and there's a lot of friendship groups there, a lot of friendship groups, and I love to see that.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: I find as I've got older my social circle is much less about well, is much less skewed towards men.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's definitely I'd say 85% female.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_04: And so at the turn of this year, I made a conscious decision to welcome in welcome in more male energy into my space.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know how successful that's been, but I've put it out there into the universe, so I'm manifesting.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_04: I guess at some point I have to actually go out, step out, and interact with these men.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_04: Oh well, you have to join this social running group because there's there's loads of them.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_04: Honestly, I love men.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I do, I do well men and women, but uh yeah, I find men's company often easier.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_04: Just because they tell you how it is, a bit more.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I find that.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I agree.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_04: I kind of um so in my in my working life as an IT consultant, I spend a lot of time with a lot of guys and have done for the best part of 25 years, and made some really nice friendships as well.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_04: But in my outside work life, I choose I think what I've what has happened over time is because I've worked in such male-dominated industries, I have pursued more female-dominated um hobbies and networks, and now I'm in a situation where the balance is the other way.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_04: So it's trying to trying to equalize that a little bit, I think.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_04: Because I think I I think also we live in such a pol polarized society now, and social media has a lot to play into that as well.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_04: And so we don't sit around as groups of all gender types and identities to have discussions and to challenge each other and to question things and to debate things.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_04: We just fed this stuff and we're like, oh okay, I want that team.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, you see what I mean?
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_04: But one thing I suppose we haven't spoke spoken about, and that's a big part of my life to my children.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_04: Nina and Barney.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, great.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_04: So somebody said to me, What was your proudest moment?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'd say giving birth to my daughter.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, since I did it without anything in the street.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, that was a conscious decision then.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I was lucky, I think.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_04: I had it, I had um Nina at Helm Chase, which is a small maternity unit.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_04: And uh I just thought it was the most incredible thing ever to be birthed to human beings.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's for me is is the best moment, and both of them have become such we're so close.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_04: Not that I'm friends with them, because at the end of the day, you've got to tell them off.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_04: I'm assuming that adult ages now.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yeah.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Nina's gonna be.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_04: But you never stop being a mum.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_04: Barney's 22.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_04: So are they still in Cumbria?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, well, Nina's going to be moving to Cambridge.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_04: So that's exciting because we just visited there.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um Barney's about to go travelling.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_04: Or being well, so we don't know quite when, but uh but he works in a Cumbria and he lives with me as well.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh okay, cool.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, oh that's exciting.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_04: You'll have places to go and visit your kids at and watch their lives grow.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm so grateful that they're both healthy, you know, my childhood, sickly child.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_04: I mean my brother will say, Oh, you were such a sickly child.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_04: That's his core memory.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's why he just remembers me always being ill.
• 42:17
  unknown: Oh god.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_04: Poor yeah, so he's ten years older than me.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's another special person in my life.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_04: That's really nice.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_04: Is he in Cumbria?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_04: No, he's in York.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_04: My mum is um 92.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_04: She's po my mum and dad are po Polish.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_04: So dad unfortunately died uh 30 years ago.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_04: But my mum cracking on.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's amazing.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_04: So how does she keep busy?
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_04: Well, she's in a nursing, well not a nursing home, a care home.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_04: But um she's she's not that mobile, but she's absolutely amazing for age.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_04: In terms of cognitive health.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, oh that's great.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_04: I mean that's the scariest bit for me, is just losing it.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's scary in one way, but in another way, I think actually it's a bit liberating because everyone else has to deal with it and not me, because I hopefully I'm not aware that I've lost the plot.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_04: I actually listened to a really good podcast with Devine on the call about still it's called Still Me.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_04: About dementia.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_03: Dementia.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: Still Me.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_04: It's like people who've got dementia, they're still there.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_04: They just trapped there.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_04: So do you do any work with the communities like people with dementia or I do uh work with a fantastic lady who's got MS and stroke.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_04: People with Parkinson's.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_04: Oh okay.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_04: Is it kind of rehab stuff or is that yeah?
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_04: A good friend of mine had a stroke, so I trained to be a Rehab instructor rehab instructor.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we've got her walking.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_04: Look at that smile.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_04: Oh that that just feels amazing to see that progress.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_04: She's recently had to go back into hospital.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_04: Look at it.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_04: She's hopefully coming out now.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um but she's yeah, amazing.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_04: This is my favourite bench.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_04: Oh workout bends.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_04: Oh workout bends.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, this is where we do tricep dips with clients because I use the outdoors for Peter.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_04: Tricep dips, all kinds of stuff on this bench, but yeah, so it's part of the workout, isn't it?
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean just walking up here is a good example.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_04: And actually, when you do this kind of walks, you forget that you're exercising.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_04: You forget your heart's heart rate's coming up.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_04: There's another little trail hit, all kinds of stuff.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, maybe we're coming to our favourite cafe.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, the force, isn't it?
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, the force, of course.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_04: I'm orientated.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_04: I'm all everybody else.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_04: You've liberated me.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_04: So this is my whole thing.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_04: I've got my locals pass for the Windy Beer cruises.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: I get my discount.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: So I can sail over more comfortable cafe, have my breakfast and do the lunch.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then have lunch.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_04: I'll just go meal to meal.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_04: Oh fabulous.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_04: Oh amazing.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so happy, as it left.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: I never dared to turn left.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_04: This is what that's the length.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, that's stunning.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, is that check's ray?
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's kind of iconic over there, isn't it?
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_04: So, how long does it take you to sort of discover all these routes?
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_04: Well, not that long because I like looking for new routes all the time and they're all on my doorstep.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um living just off cooks and passes.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, of course, yeah.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_04: And of course, when you they used to be cut out, but then I think it's reopening.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, is it?
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_04: Up that way, so there'll be this one and that one.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think that's amazing because it is giving walkers an incentive to stop and snack.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_04: Whereas before they would have packed a snack and just pushed on.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's genius.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_04: They do um all kinds of things before so they have um they open in the evenings as well.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, do they?
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's good to know.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_04: I guess you've been through the waterfalls here.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_04: I have not yet been through the waterfalls, and I'm so embarrassed to admit that.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we can't go that way.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, let's go that way.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_04: And then we'll end up where we started.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, that has flown by, hasn't it?
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, and so many things, Lysina.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_04: You do so many things.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_04: How do you have enough time in the week?
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I like to be busy.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_04: And my partner Charlie said, Do you can you not just sit down for a little bit?
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_04: Every morning religiously, I have coffee and I read the paper, and that's my life.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's your time, and in the evening as well after a little walk where I'm not with people because I'm with people all the time.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_04: See, I'm I'm probably the other way because I spend a lot of time working on a computer, so I spend a lot of time on my own.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_04: And I seem quite comfortable with that, but I'm just very mindful that it even though I could go through five days of not seeing people, it's probably not a good thing.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_04: And so I do push myself to to make social plans.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_04: But I do have one weekend a month that is protected, and my cousin and I through lockdown, since lockdown call it our lockdown weekends.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_04: Oh that's so good.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_04: So they're protected, and it's just all about self-indulgence and downtime and self-care, and just stare at the TV if you need to go to the gym, but don't overfill the day, is the main criteria.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_04: Very good, very well.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's important, isn't it?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_04: I do like my own space as well.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it's important for everyone to have a little bit of their own space.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, especially with busy families and busy working lives.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_04: So, is this the waterfall?
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_04: This is the romantic one.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, this waterfall walk with the first dates.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_04: So nice.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, Holly the Collie.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm so pleased we got to do tick off all the things you suggested.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_04: So if there's anything you would say to people thinking about getting into fitness, what it would it be?
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_04: The first step is the hardest, but once you've done it, I don't want to push my classes because any class is good.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I would say that the people we attract are so welcoming and friendly for every level.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um you can take that first step hard, isn't it?
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_04: Because you'll do anything to make an experiment.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_04: Not everybody enjoys classes, you know.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_04: Some people might want to go to the gym, some people might want to do the walking boy.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_04: Take it and try it, might just the price is at how much you enjoy it.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_04: I think mindset is really enjoy the small things, not the big things.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_04: Don't put too much pressure on like doing a hot summer.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_04: You know, some of the things are a bit overwhelming.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_04: I think what you really I'd like all this, right?
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_04: Mindset what you enjoy.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay, yeah.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_04: What you don't enjoy.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_04: And try and do what you enjoy, and don't feel guilty if you're doing what everyone else is doing on social media.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_04: So mind don't be influenced by other people.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_04: And I would say if you do things for others, that is what makes you happy.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, not to yourself.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_04: I read that somewhere recently actually, and also also the the thing you said about social media around comparison is the thief of joy.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I can't remember where I read that or who said that to me.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_04: It just makes so much sense because when you're scrolling and you're looking at all these perfect things, they're not really, are they?
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_04: Is what we're being shown.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_04: And also, you know, fitness instructors on the internet or on the you know, ticks up see all these perfect figures just for yourself, because people will come to your classes for you, but just be yourself.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think if you find something you love, yeah.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_04: Climate change, what are your thoughts on that?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_04: What would you like us to be thinking about?
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_04: Or what would you encourage us to think about?
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_04: Very similar.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_04: So I feel I'm good at coaching people, yeah, motivating people, yeah.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why I think I'm good at work in the garden and then we put together the garden.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_04: Some people are great about that.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_04: What you're doing, um otherwise you'll enjoy it the most.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_04: I love that we're talking about this while there's like this beautiful waterfall and stream kind of reminding us about why it is important actually.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_04: We want all this to be preserved and protected for the future generations.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely, and I think we all love nature, so it's about protecting nature.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's beautiful.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_04: Well, thanks Ursula, that was wonderful.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_04: I've had the best time.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, hasn't it been good?
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_04: And it's lovely getting to know you too, you know, it's not just a one-way conversation.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: And that's a wrap on today's walk with Ursula.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for such a fun and energized walk and talk, Ursula.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_02: I left the hillside with a list of things I wanted to do, and I was fully pumped and gave myself a permission slip to stop doing the things I don't.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_02: Before I let you go, I want you to leave with a few questions I was reflecting on after my chat with Ursula.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: The first question is: when was the last time you did something just because you loved it, not because someone else was doing it?
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: Is there a first step you've been avoiding, a class, a walk, a challenge, a change that you already know would make a difference to how you feel and how you like yourself?
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_02: And finally, who is the person in your life that needs a gentle nudge?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe this episode is just the nudge they need.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: Also reminded me that the things that make us feel most alive are usually the steps.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: Movement, nature, community, doing something else for someone else.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: Taking the first step, even when it's the hardest one.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: I would also like to take the chance to thank the women for being my season three music partner.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: Their music has really set the tone for everything I've been doing this season, and I'm really excited to have them on board.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: And that being said, yes.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'd love it if you take 30 seconds to please leave a review.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_02: It really helps make the biggest difference to how many people find the show.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_02: And if you know someone who needs to hear us in a story, please share this with them today.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_02: Until next time, lace up your boots, strap yourself in, head outside, and remember the first step really is the hardest.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_02: After that, you've already won.