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Ep. 101: How Intuition Can Heal You: Banya Lim on Depression, Gut Health & Body Wisdom · Age Like a Badass Mother

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Hi friends, your body always knows before your brain catches up.
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Don't you find that?
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In today's episode with Bonya Lim, we talk about intuition, emotional healing, and what can happen when you get quiet and start listening to what your body's been trying to tell you.
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Now, here's Bonyalym.
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is a spiritual acupuncturist and energy coach for the past 30 years.
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She developed a unique approach to unlocking the body's wisdom called the Chi Mastery System.
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This transformative program empowers individuals to listen to their bodies, clear energetic blockages, and achieve their personal and professional goals.
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Please welcome Bonya Lim.
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Hello.
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Hello Lauren, thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
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Of course, I'm so happy to know you.
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So where do you live right now?
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Where are you living?
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I live in Sedona, Arizona.
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Wow, that's some sort of like energetic place, right?
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Yeah, this is an episode of all the woo woo that's happening.
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And it's spirituality, including UFOs and so on.
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my gosh, have you seen the UFO?
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think I've seen it.
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There's like UFO tour.
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There's many like activities here.
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You can go check out.
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you personally seen a UFO?
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I believe that what I was looking at was definitely not a plane.
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And yes, I would say that was beautiful.
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I mean, honestly, there's more and more talk about it from really mainstream people.
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It's kind of gotten to the point where people are like, yeah, I mean, who are we to think we're not alone?
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So.
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even on a governmental level.
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So we'll see what happens, what kind input comes out.
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Yeah, interesting.
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um So can you tell me um what is the difference between a spiritual acupuncturist and just a regular old acupuncturist?
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Well, spiritual acupuncture is the actual traditional way of doing acupuncture.
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My mom was an acupuncturist who was amazing one.
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And um she always talked about...
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how acupuncture has been practiced in ancient times.
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And it was infused with spiritual practice to try to open up our energy channel to reach enlightenment.
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It wasn't only about taking care of the physical elements, but it was very much a part of a spiritual practice.
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And she felt that that spiritual part has been lost in modern acupuncture and modern acupuncture practice.
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So she always trying to bring that back.
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So when I started practicing my own work, I decided to call spiritual acupuncture by honoring my mom and what she has instilled in me and also trying to bring back this mind, body, spirit of true way of doing acupuncture, true way of...
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practicing also people to receive.
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that's beautiful.
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And so when you were a child, like did your mother um see like patients or people in the house?
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Like, were you around it as a child?
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Yes, she and I both are like sort of like an unenacted acupuncturist.
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We're trying to do something different in our lives.
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I think acupuncture and healer in us, it's in our blood.
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Kind of always drawn to that.
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My mom was a teacher, an interest in English and German teacher in Korea.
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And I remember as a teacher when she come back from home, We have a line of people in a doorstep, people trying to see her, not only as an acupuncturist, but as an intuitive also.
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And I didn't really understand what was going on at the time, as I was trying to assist her as much as I can.
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Then eventually she realized that I was calling, she has to do it.
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So she decided to do a more spiritual work and also acupuncture at the time.
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then eventually we moved to United States in 1980.
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And I came here in 1984.
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in 1980, you said?
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1979, 1980.
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I moved here in 1984.
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wow, that's hard.
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You were separated from her for a while.
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That's difficult.
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so.
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wow, that must have been quite a, was it a big shock to you when you moved here as a, how old were you, teenager, 12, 10?
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yes, I was 15.
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Definitely.
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um Everything, was definitely completely different work for me.
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Plus, and I didn't speak the language, so um I had a hard time going to school, understanding, and just even socializing.
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But that was then, and over the years I've learned.
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went to school, college, and grad school.
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and made friends, but it was definitely a hard time.
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Yeah, I can't even imagine, but that probably gives you a lot of tools also to, you cope.
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I mean, you always learn out of those hard experiences.
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um Do you have any things that you feel like you really learned or lessons you really learned because you couldn't speak the language or was tough to communicate or?
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learned I guess this is something I've learned too but definitely strongest experience is that I was a very good student back in Korea I was always a top three or five in whole school and I was academically very uh good but when I moved here since I didn't understand the language I couldn't really study and also people perceive me strangely And they also thought that there was something wrong with me.
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But I just couldn't understand what people were saying.
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So um not only I couldn't follow the schoolwork, but also I couldn't really communicate with the people.
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People were treating me like someone special, like special student.
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And that was a very strange and interesting experience for me from place that doing academically very well to come into a that you really couldn't follow in schoolwork because of the language barrier.
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Yeah, I imagine that was very difficult.
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um Well, so let's skip ahead to, I guess at some point in your life, things were kind of falling apart for you and you went through some really hard times and I guess that's probably how you developed your program, but can you take us back and kind of tell the story of that difficult time and what ensued from that?
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So I came from many healers within my family, especially my mom and my mother's side.
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So I have all this information.
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When I actually went going to do stuff, um that's when I really delve into it and trying to figure out what to do and also trying to heal myself.
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And through that experience, wrong with you?
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I had depression and I had lot of gastrointestinal issues.
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It started as an IBS, then turned into also a lot of colitis to the point that I had so much inflammation in my intestines that I really couldn't process anything.
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um Yeah, my body really couldn't digest anything, absorb any nutrients.
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And I was, I was, I remember I was like white as a ghost during that, during that time that this was when I was in grad school.
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you just kind of reminded me, we had a guest on not too long and she was talking about healing your gut to heal your anxiety.
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I imagine that's the same thing with your depression, right?
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Right, right.
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I didn't really have any information at the time.
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I decided to just implement whatever I learned on myself.
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So one of the first two things that I did was meditation and movement.
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Meditation was basic.
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I came from a Buddhist background, so a lot of Buddhist meditation, I started doing it very deeply every day.
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And it started in my college and continue on.
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And second one, I remember I came from a martial arts family, my whole family are martial artists and we used to martial arts school in New York City, two blocks away from Madison Square Garden.
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And when I move my body after the movement, which means after exercise, I could really feel the shift in my energy and my gut start to feel better.
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uh um So I decided to implement this too, meditating every day, doing regular exercise.
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At the time I did Taekwondo and Hapkido.
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And eventually I also incorporated some Qigong exercise as well.
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And I remember this like a pivotal moment.
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I think through a lot focused on trying to having awareness within my body awareness of what's going on and through deep meditation I think it came into the point of this like sort of like a realization I remember I went to this restaurant looking at the menu on the board I realized I keep choosing this one specific emotion over and over over the years you know when you have a menu you have a a lot of different things on the board.
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But when you are depressed, at least for me, I realize I keep choosing this emotion over and over.
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And then I realize I have this array of different things that I can experience.
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Not only that, I can choose to experience.
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I know this is such a, in a way, simple concept.
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But for me it was such a big revelation like, I can choose to feel differently.
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I can choose to different thoughts.
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I can choose to have a different emotion.
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And from then on, I remember I could literally feel my body shifting and changing from that point on.
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So I continued doing deeper meditation.
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did continuously kind of feeling the energy within my body.
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Within three months or so, many of my symptoms disappeared.
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And maybe perhaps it took another two months or so, I no longer had those conditions.
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So when you were not feeling well, when you were depressed, when you couldn't eat, when you were having stomach issues, you said to yourself, guess, consciously, I have to change.
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I know my family does a lot of movement and that's good for you and I know meditation is good for you.
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So like you just intuitively chose those things and then kind of started getting better and just kept going with that.
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then I guess you're saying the menu Oh, so go ahead.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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And then from there, you said you saw the menu in the restaurant and you realized like, I can pick and choose, like on a menu, I can pick and choose other emotions or other ways to feel.
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Is that what you're saying?
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I'm just trying to summarize, like, and make sure I understand.
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Yes, absolutely.
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All those things are like something that I've heard from my mom, actually.
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Based on acupuncture, each emotion is connected to each organ.
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And each organ is kind of spread out throughout the body.
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Like this is the lung meridian, this is large intestine meridians, and so on, or energy channels within the body.
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But when you have specific emotion over and over, it ended up creating blockages in the channel or the meridian.
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And if it goes long enough, can turn into something much more serious.
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So over the years, I hear all these things from my mom.
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When I finally start putting attention in my body through meditation, those things start to make sense on a physical level, emotional level, but also conceptually, I got it.
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Yeah, so I guess you're saying that your energy was blocked.
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Was your gut energy blocked?
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that, can you explain a little bit about the meridians?
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And don't forget that most people are listening, some will watch on YouTube, but can you kind of explain about the meridians and the blockages and what's associated with what?
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What acupuncture does, and what purpose of acupuncture is finding those specific points within the body that's blocked and trying to unblock it with the needle so energy can flow oh evenly throughout the body.
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We believe, based on Oriental Medicine, the health is based on the movement and easy flow of we call Qi within the body.
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When the energy gets blocked or gets stuck, that's when you start to have ailments and disease within the body.
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So acupuncture strength, Qi's energy and Qi's Yes.
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Qi has been called in many different, or in many different cultures and countries.
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Some place call it prana, some call it even God or Holy Ghost.
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you name it.
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um But energies is what we call a life force within the body.
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So that's the purpose of acupuncture.
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And how the energy gets blocked within the body?
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Basically through So like I say, each marine, so there are energy moving through our body following this pathway.
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And there are 365 main acupuncture points in the body.
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365.
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And each point is connected to each day in a year.
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And also based on your date of birth, month, and year, also I could prescribe the treatment to, not always.
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Sometimes that can be also very, very powerful because We come into this world with a certain specific energy.
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It's not only nurture, but we believe in nature.
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Then we come into this world with star, moons, Jupiter, Mars, and online, and affects our energy in specific way.
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So.
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Each meridian is connected to each organ and each organ is connected to specific emotion.
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example, liver is a wood energy.
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Based on five, oh acupuncture is guided by two major theories, Yin and Yang theory and five element theories.
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Five elements are wood, fire, metal and so on.
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And based on those elements, each organ is connected to it and each organ has a connection to specific emotion.
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So wood organ is liver and gallbladder.
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And liver and gallbladder's emotion is anger.
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When you have excessive anger or long periods of anger, have experience of anger, it will start damage liver and gallbladder.
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And liver and gallbladder meridians run side of the body bilaterally.
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I'm trying to experience it.
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explain this in a very simple way.
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Runs side of the body and Qigong, Tai Chi and martial arts are based on opening these meridians.
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When in ancient time when they moved their body in certain way they realized oh wait a minute this is opening the lung meridians.
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Whoa when I twist arm this way I'm opening a liver meridians and and so on.
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So let's go with the example of wood.
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Woods organs are liver and gallbladder.
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Liver and gallbladder emotion is anger.
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This is why when you have excessive anger, it will damage the liver and gallbladder, but also you'll feel it in your body, specifically on the side of the body.
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This is why this is sort of like a universal gesture.
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When someone put their hands on the side, putting your head like this, you hips.
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You can, yeah, hips, the side, you know the person who coming at you like that, you know that that person is not necessarily happy with you.
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The reason we put our hand on this, yes, is because we're trying to put unconsciously trying to protect the meridians because that meridian gets blocked.
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And then I can go on with the other examples with the other.
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can you tell the other em organs and what they relate to?
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Because I find this fascinating.
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And the water is another element.
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Water is organs, kidneys, and bladder.
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Their emotion is fear.
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This is why some people are under a lot of fear.
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They wet their pants.
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You know, I remember one of the actors that I work with, she said she had to go and pee.
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it activates the organs when you have a lot of fear.
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This is why you end up going to bathroom or peeing a lot.
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the meridians run the back when they're next to the spine.
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So when you're really scared, you sometimes say, I have a chew going down my spine.
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And I ask people, where do think that the war come from?
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And I'm sure we can trace back the where the uh history of that war.
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The reason is that we are feeling it.
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And when you say to people, people understand what that means.
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I really believe a lot of things that we say, lot of sayings and proverbs are based on what we're feeling on the body.
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Yes, I think you're right.
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And then what else?
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What about the other elements and organs?
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Sadness.
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Sadness, its element is metal and their organs are lungs and large intestines.
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So when you are sad, like for example, when you lose your loved ones, oftentimes people get sick or catch cold very quickly and easily.
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At the same time, your large intestine because lungs and large intestines are in and out pair they go hand in hand and often time it affect your bowel movement you could have you could have diarrhea or constipation or so on but let's talk about lungs lungs in connection to sadness lungs starts from right below the collarbone right here when people have um a lot of sadness in their life, especially people who have depression, which was the case with me.
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remember people always commented on my posture.
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I don't have that old posture anymore, people always said, why are you so hunched down?
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The reason was because this point or this meridian, non-meridians were blocked at the time.
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And when Lungs are also connected to skin and a lot of skin issues actually come from that emotion as well.
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Just by releasing and working through this specific emotion, physical power just heal itself, which I have witnessed so many times in my life, starting with my own case.
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So what else is there?
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um Well, I just find that really interesting because I have a friend who's going through lung cancer right now and she has spoken out about that you hold your grief in your lungs and she's had a lot of grief and sadness in her life.
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And so not only is she going through treatment for cancer, but she's going through a lot of um emotional treatment as well to heal her grief.
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And so I just know it...
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If anybody doesn't believe in a mind-body connection, just simple things like what you were talking about earlier, when you get really nervous, you sometimes have diarrhea or you throw up or you I mean, you can feel it.
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Like you said, there's definitely the mind-body connection.
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It's so real and your body keeps track of what's going on, whether you want to deal with it or not.
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So I love this talk.
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Okay, keep going.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Thank you for making the note.
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Incredible.
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I always say our body is the most honest thing that we have.
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Our body is the most honest thing that we have in our life.
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You know, no matter how much you try to hide certain emotion, your body still responds.
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And you secretly notice it.
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No matter how much you're trying to hide how embarrassed you are, your face still turns red.
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No matter how much you're trying to hide your nervousness, your hands get clammy.
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And when you when we get to really pay attention and learn the cues that our body's telling us and giving us, we're going to have much more awareness about ourselves, also others, but eventually the Earth.
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Because oriental medicine acupuncture is very much about learning about the Earth itself.
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Not only about, we said five element.
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There are 365 acupuncture points that match with the 365 days in a year.
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There were 12 major meridians in the year.
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the body that matches with the 12 months months in a year there's sun moon star everything there's a correlation to what's going on within the body so knowing our ourselves is truly about knowing the universe knowing of ourselves truly means knowing about other people so this journey is really about discovery of the Cosmo.
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But we are the Cosmo.
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We are the microcosm of what everything going on in the world.
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We have been trying to find out answers, trying to go to the moon, now go to the Mars, and we are trying to explore everything else.
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But I really believe if you go there, the arrow is going to point it at you.
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And I feel that more and more people are realizing that, which is an amazing trend.
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And I think that this interest is going to get stronger and stronger as time goes.
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So I lost track of what we were talking about earlier.
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Did we go through all the organs and the elements?
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so the fire, um by the way, when I say five element and emotion, not only emotion, five element affects everything.
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Direction, taste, color, um know, organ, it applies to everything.
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So if you wanna learn more, information is out there.
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If anybody wanna learn more, I would say just go to Google.
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put five element chart based on acupuncture, you will get a whole list of things.
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Right now I'm only talking about emotion, but also direction as well.
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If you want to work on, let's talk about wood's organs and liver and gallbladder.
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Its emotion is anger.
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and the taste is sour and direction is east.
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It's a base of feng shui by the way.
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Yeah.
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One funny example, if someone has liver or gallbladder issue, check their east side of the house.
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Their east side of the house is always messy.
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Really?
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So if you want a healthy liver gallbladder, clean out your e-side and see what happens.
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Wow.
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What are the other ones for that?
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I love feng shui.
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I think it's so, I mean, you don't have to be a genius to know that your environment affects how you feel, period.
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And I've have feng shui'd my house by myself, like just reading books and done it.
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And like, I know, I forget, like my office is, I think it's Southeast and I on purpose had, I think you're supposed to have, isn't your office supposed to be?
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Southeast or I just remember putting my office in a specific area on purpose like where it was supposed to be Yeah, the space we occupy affects our energy and our energy affects everything that's around us.
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the location and displacement and the color, material, yeah, all affects our energy and our consciousness.
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incredible.
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Okay so I think you were doing fire now, fire emotion.
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Fire uh organs are heart and protecardium and its emotion is just a joy, but it's about understanding joy.
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Based on Bible element theory, it's unhealthy to have anything excessive.
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So it's about managing and also understanding joy.
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So heart and fire location is south.
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But if you want to work on joy, if you feel like you need more joy in your life, Go to the south side of your house and see what's going on there.
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And put a little flower.
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And the fire element's color is red, understandably, right?
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And so putting some kind of live red, usually red flower, would be a good idea to put in that space and just see what happens.
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I always tell people, just...
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experiment, just try and always people come back to me with amazing sometimes crazy stories.
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I love that.
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Okay, did we finish all of them?
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So we did metal, we water, we did kidneys and bladder, and wood, we did fire, earth.
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uh Earth is very very interesting because this is something that we all doubt with.
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Earth organs are stomach and spleen and their emotion is worry.
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When you worry, the reason that we have digestive issues sometimes when we excessively worry, it affects our digestion, which is something I'm sure everyone experienced, cannot say that they haven't experienced that.
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You can feel like it's like, it just doesn't feel right.
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And you know, because you're worrying about this test, whatever that might be.
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its color is yellow.
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and it's good to balance your energy with the color yellow and also the direction is center, the center of the house.
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And so is it good to have something yellow in the center of the house?
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Yes, yes.
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I'm explaining this in a very simple way, but also I suggest everyone to go check out Google and look for five element charts that's based on acupuncture.
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You're going to have a whole list of direction, color, shape, organ, you name it.
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Thank for explaining that.
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know that we took up a lot of time doing that, but I think it was, to me, was very interesting.
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And so is this what your Chi mastery system is based on or how did you develop this system and how do you help people heal?
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and unblock.
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And this is the basis of it, but it's combination of many things that I have experienced over the years.
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is, Cheat Master is about really accessing your intuition and also trusting your instinct.
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But also, I also do guided coaching based on somatic work and meditation.
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Over the years, experiencing my practice and being on acupunctures, I knew what my mom was trying to say.
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We have to bring back this old, ancient spiritual aspect of acupuncture, which is treating people, mind, body, and spirit, not just the body.
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We are made out of mind, body, spirit.
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It's not just the hair, bone, and skin.
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We are much more than just that, because each person's body is the microcosm of the universe.
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We are the universe.
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That means we have to honor them, but we have to guide them to honor themselves.
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And through that, people can develop, not develop, because intuition is already there, understanding their own intuition to guide themselves.
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When you get to listen to your own intuition, when you get to listen to your own wisdom of the body, you will start healing, heal yourself.
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When you wake up in the morning, You don't know why you open up the closet and you get drawn to this green shirt that you'd never wear, but you just want to wear that and you put it on.
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The reason was that your body's intuitive and say like, is most harmonious color for you because you were angry last night and you're still carrying on within your body.
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Anger is what I said.
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connect to the liver gallbladder would and emotion is liver gallbladder is anger.
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And when we get to guide ourselves to just follow whatever that intuition hits that give us, we just float through our lives, not going against the stream.
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And then our rational mind might kicked in and you don't wear green.
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People is going to think that you're crazy.
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That's not your color.
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So as long as we get to shut down this left side of the brain once in a while, then you understand things much, much deeper.
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And also, I don't know why, but I would like to try this sour dish.
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And you just want to do it.
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You just want to try it.
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It's all coming from this body wisdom, body awareness, body intuition.
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And listening to that, is everything.
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Listening to that opens up everything and honoring that is beginning of the journey and this is something I believe we haven't learned as children especially in Western culture if something happens or if you have any questions nobody told us to listen to our body.
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And this is something that I'm really honored that my mom did that for me.
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Sorry, go ahead.
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No, that's good that your mom told you to listen to your body and that you got to see that.
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And I think that maybe when we're little, we do listen to our bodies, but that kind of gets trained out of us as we get older, like don't act that way or don't be cranky, don't cry, don't have a bad attitude, all those things where we are sad and we want to cry and then we're told don't cry and those kinds of things.
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And so how do we relearn that or relearn to listen to our bodies and have that awareness?
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I like how you described that as a trend out of us.
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Yes, it's something that we know intuitively as children, but it eventually trend out of us by society, teachers, and parents.
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So we have to retrain back into that.
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And it's always good to start with having a relationship with yourself.
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And I call meditation as having a relationship with ourselves.
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Oftentimes when I start teaching people meditation, people complain about, Banya, I have a monkey mind.
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I cannot sit down and just close my eyes.
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And when I ask them, just think about having a relationship with yourself.
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You and you are sitting on a sofa, just sitting across from each other.
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and just having an energy dialogue.
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And in the beginning, a lot of thoughts might come in, then we start asking why.
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Why is such a powerful question?
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If something going on in our body, it's indication of something that we need to look at.
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It's not something to avoid, but it's something to work with and something to work for.
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It's a stepping stone.
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It's almost, it's a portal.
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If you have a relationship with you, issue, you have a relationship with money.
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If you have, you know, you have a reaction to your neighbor, whatever that might be going on.
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It's, it's it's not an issue.
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It's not issues.
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It's portal to for us to go to our next level and ask question.
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Okay.
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Instead of going into that energy, ask why, why am I feeling this way?
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Why am I reacting?
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Yeah, why am I having a problem with my neighbor?
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Why am I having digestive problems?
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Why am I triggered by this situation?
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Like, why?
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And then to meditate on it and listen to yourself, is that the next step?
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Is that what you're saying?
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and I believe that's how my healing journey started too, to 2000, asking myself questions, okay, why am I having this issue?
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And I just throw the question, of course I didn't any answers.
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I feel like I didn't get any answers in the beginning, just sat down with it and kept asking and asking and asking.
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And I felt this direct correlation from my how I feel, feel emotionally to how my body feels.
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And deeper part was, you know, my issue was all in the intestine, large intestines.
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And earlier, what did I say about the large intestines and lungs?
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It's a sadness.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I had a lot of sadness in my life.
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And since I was young, and you know, it's all throughout my life.
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And that's something that I avoid.
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avoid, but my body wasn't avoiding it because it's all there, sitting there.
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And when I start asking question, I start to navigate into where it actually come from.
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So when you start to have awareness, that's beginning of healing.
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A lot of times we try to avoid what we are feeling and what's going on within us.
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Do you think that, um I've had several guests kind of touch on this.
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Do you think that when we go through menopause and we get these hot flashes, is that something that our body's communicating?
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And what, if so, what is it communicating?
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When we have a hot flash, of course our temperature rises and then it would get hot and start sometimes sweating.
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had some of my clients and hot flash was really, really bad.
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And she was in her seventies, she was still going through with that.
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It's imbalanced of what we call it in and young.
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and we have to nourish the inn.
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There's too much yang within the body.
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And there's actually a very specific way to heal this on a physical level too, but on unconscious and deeper level, each person is dealing with their own things separately.
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But on a physical level, it can be quite easy to treat with acupuncture and herbs.
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Okay, so can you, I think a lot of people are familiar with yin and yang, but can you tell us what's out of balance?
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So it needs to be treated maybe with acupuncture and herbs, but kind of tell us what's going on, what the imbalance is.
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Everything in the world is either Yin or Yang.
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What is Yin and Yang?
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It's uh contradicting and also counterbalancing.
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And one cannot exist without the other.
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Yin energy is more subdued, quiet and colder.
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It's not bad, it's just the energy.
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Yang is more active, bright and In energy is more, more has more of a feminine energy, where young energy has more masculine and masculine energy.
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I noticed the people who suffer from oh menopause.
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And we all do on Sun Sun Tiki.
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I'm still I'm going through it with it right now myself.
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They haven't figured out the way of balancing this feminine and masculine energy within themselves.
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Interesting.
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So, Yin energy is a feminine energy and that's area that need to be nurtured more.
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But often time we go to the opposite.
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We're trying to make it happen.
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And that's more of a yang energy.
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Yin energy is more we allow it to happen.
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We allow it to happen.
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We try to, we flow and we become more intuitive with the things that we do, things that we...
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we decide.
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But starting from just honoring that in energy, starting from just honoring that softness and gentleness and that femininity that's within you.
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And oftentimes people who suffering a lot of this imbalance, oftentimes they have been kind of pushing themselves a lot throughout their lives.
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Yeah, I think you're right.
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um so you, and you said you, before we started, I think you told me you're 56, is that right?
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And you're like me, going through menopause kind of late.
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so, did you suffer a lot with symptoms from menopause or are you suffering?
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no, I mean, I actually wanted to done done with the cycle and period many years ago.
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I mean, I didn't want to deal with that.
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you know, it's still continue on.
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think I think we are one of few people still having in late in our lives.
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But as far as the symptoms, no, no, I had a little bit of either, I'm not really having either.
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so um that's what you recommend, like getting quiet, listening to yourself, and then maybe doing some acupuncture and herbs.
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What kind of herbs do you recommend?
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I only know this in Chinese penance.
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It's called Li Wei, Di Huang Wan.
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You can find this in Amazon, believe it or not.
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And actually that's very in nourishing herbal formula.
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And it's a very old classical herbal formula that has been used in Asia.
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100 years.
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maybe you can send that to me and I can put that in the show notes um if people want to check that out.
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Okay, so, um and then where can people find out more about your Chi Mastery program?
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They can go to my website banyalim.com I'll put that in the show notes too, bonyalin.com.
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um So I usually ask at the end, what's your best piece of advice for aging?
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Well, you're clearly doing a good job.
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That's best piece of advice for aging well.
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Interesting questions.
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First thing that comes to mind is...
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Our body is aging.
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but our consciousness is in.
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And this is just one part of our journey.
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Eventually we'll move on.
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But if simply put it, body is aging, but my consciousness isn't.
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Can you explain a little more what you mean by that?
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Your consciousness isn't.
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because there is no age in our consciousness.
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but we can get lost in just the physical part.
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Right.
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Okay.
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That's good.
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That's interesting.
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I guess I haven't...
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So, I mean, I guess you're kind of saying that we are all ageless, right?
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I mean, as humans, we're all ageless.
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Is that kind of what you're saying?
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Yeah.
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That's interesting.
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Well, thank you.
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Is there anything that I didn't ask you that you wish that you wanted to talk about or did we cover all of it?
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We can talk about a lot of things for hours or days, but I would like to offer oh your audience free um uh 101 clarity sessions with me so you can go to my website to sign up for it.
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Okay, a free clarity session.
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Okay.
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I'll put that in the show notes too.
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um You know, I do have one last question because I also usually ask this and you've talked a lot about your mother and she seems like she's a very wise person.
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What, is she still alive?
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No, she passed away last year.
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Ah, me too, my mom too.
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What did you watch for, what did you learn from watching your mother age?
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What did I learn from watching my mom age?
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um from her long life or her life.
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Everything around her and everything about her and my experience with that was all about love.
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This is like blanket of love.
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That how she has this blanket of love that she has put on on earth for us and for my brothers.
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And and I think that became our sustenance.
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And I'm realizing that now more than ever.
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Beautiful.
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for me to be who I am, for me to do the work that I'm doing, and for me to just continue.
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Yeah, that is my sustenance, and I'm grateful.
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That's so beautiful.
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You're very lucky to have a mother like that, Bonya.
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I'm happy for you.
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I'm sorry you lost her, but that's beautiful.
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What a legacy too, and that you're kind of continuing her work.
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That's beautiful.
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Well, I loved our conversation.
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Thank you so much.
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I appreciate you.
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Thank you, Lauren.
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Okay, take care.
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Bye bye.
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Bye.