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Beyond Sunday Worship Leader Podcast
David Santistevan dives into the heart of worship leading, worship ministry, songwriting, and making disciples. Discover how you can take your worship leadership to the next level through practical teaching, expert interviews, and the latest resources for worship leaders. From developing a discipleship strategy, engaging your congregation, writing your own songs, leading your best worship, and so much more, this podcast will help you become the worship leader you are called to be.
Episodes
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastRighteousness And Peacemaking Through Holy Activism With Jonathan Tremaine Thomas
Many Christians feel both heartbreak and anger over what is happening in America today, and the church often feels the most divided of all. How do we move from…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastTransformational vs. Transactional Faith With Jonathan R. Bailey
What is spiritual formation? What does it mean to follow Jesus? How do we change and transform? Does it happen in a moment or develop over a lifetime? So much…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastA Fresh Perspective On Worship With Jason Upton
Topics Covered: Jason's adoption story and upbringing Learning about God from different streams of historic Christianity Why worship is more than just…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastApologetics, Disappointing Faith, And When Heroes Fall with Lisa Fields
If you're a follower of Jesus, you know you're supposed to share your faith.We're supposed to tell others about Jesus. But it's often a topic that gives any…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastHow Studying History Can Help The Church Tell The Truth, Face Reality, & Confront Harmful Systems with Kristin Kobes Du Mez
Maya Angelou once said, ""History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, however, if faced with courage, need not be lived again." The discipline of…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Hopeful Alternative to Christian Nationalism And Deconstruction with Pastor Brian Zahnd
A question I have wrestled with is…what makes the CHURCH different in the midst of our modern culture? What makes our local churches different than what other…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Worship Industry, Christian Music, & Rediscovering Faith with Gable Price
If you've listened to this podcast at all in the past, you probably have some connection to either Christian music or worship music. Maybe you love it and…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastChristian Resilience, Women In Ministry, And The Attractiveness of Anglicanism With Tish Harrison Warren
I think so many of us are longing for a faith that meets us right where we are. A faith that we can practice in school car line. At work. On a hospital bed…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastWhy We Need Anabaptism And The Black Church with Rev. Dr. Drew G.I. Hart
Not all spiritual formation is created equal. Just because you read your Bible, pray, and go to church every Sunday does not mean you are being renewed - as…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastJesus And Therapy, Psychology And Theology with Kate Willsey
When I was a young teenager, I heard a traveling evangelist say the best form of therapy was speaking in tongues. The preacher at the time was criticizing…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Unimpressive, Faithful, And Authentic Worship Leader With Paul Baloche
I remember my days as a young worship leader. There was always this unspoken tension between being performative and pastoral. Is it my job as a worship leader…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastEmpire, Resistance, And Faith On The Margins With Kat Armas
If you're like me, a child of the 80s, you grew up watching Star Wars. I understood a lot about Star Wars but what I didn't understand at the time was how…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Uncomfortable Intersection Of Business And Worship with Anna Golden
The idea of worship is simple. Uncomplicated. When you think about it, worship is ascribing worth to someone or something. As people of faith, we ascribe to…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastSpiritual Formation, Art, And The Beauty And The Tragedy of Worship Music with John Mark McMillan
Throughout church history there has always been an interesting tension between creativity and functionality. What is more important? Creating beautiful things…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastPastoring Border Patrol Agents And Immigrants With Evan Wickham
I'm not a Lead Pastor, but I can't imagine anything more difficult than pastoring in today's political climate. We feel that these days are unique, but in…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastHow To Build A Thriving Worship Culture in 2026 with Michael Bethany
When I accepted my first worship leader position over 20 years ago, I thought worship was all about the stage. Pick the right songs. Have the best musicians…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Tension Between Organizational Progress And Pastoral Care Within The Church with Michael Olson
Topics Covered: Developing a theology of suffering The highs and lows of growing up Pentecostal What we can learn about Spirit and Truth from Eugene Peterson…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastWhat Native Culture And Indigenous Theology Can Teach Us About Following Jesus with Terry Wildman
Part of what I love to do with this podcast is highlight some voices that often get overlooked. Cultures that are often pushed to the margins of influence in…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastBeating Procrastination with Jon Acuff
Humans disagree on a lot of things. Religion. Politics. The best brand of peanut butter. But if there's one area where we can find some common ground, it's…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Bible: How To Read It, Understand It, & Build A Daily Habit Around It with Zach Windahl
Topics Covered: Zach's journey of coming to Christ Following Jesus and suffering Why we need to understand the historical context of the Bible How to read the…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastWorship Leader State Of The Union with Chris Kuti
Topics Covered: How Chris got started in Worship ministry How the explosion of a worship industry has malformed us for local church ministry Why we need…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastLeadership Lessons For All From The History Of The Black Church with L. Michelle Smith
Something I am so grateful for is the leadership experience I received growing up in the church. From a young age, I got involved in worship teams. I led small…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastMaking Worship Music That Doesn't Sound Like Worship Music with Trip Lee
There's an argument that has gone around for decades and it revolves around the idea of how much worship music do we need? Do we have enough? On the one hand…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastUncommon & Creative Ways to Reimagine Your Worship Services with Dr. David O. Taylor
Topics Covered: The difference between formation and experience in worship Why our current model of worship experiences isn't wrong, but inadequate The value…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastEvangelicalism, Justice Work, And Red Letter Christianity with Brittany Packnett Cunningham
Topics Covered: Brittany's faith tradition growing up The need for liberation theology and what it means for the local church The importance of unlearning and…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastMinistry For The Down & Out, The Discarded, And The Underdog with Calvin Nowell
Topics Covered: Calvin's journey as a worship leader The reality of starting music later in life Why we shouldn't be afraid of frequent new songs Why diversity…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastWhen Worship Gets Political with David Gate
Topics Covered: When David first noticed the politicization of American worship music What David liked and disliked about the worship industry, as an insider…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastWhy It's OK To Simplify Our Worship Experiences with Martha Munizzi
What is the future of worship leading? How important are worship leaders and how will that role continue to develop in the future? No one really knows, but…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastHow The Western Church Has Been Shaped to Resist Justice (And What We Can Do About it) with Joash P. Thomas
Justice - when you hear that word what do you think of? The word carries some baggage in the church today and has become highly politicized. Too much justice…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastAn Honest Look At The Systems That Shape The Church in America with Phillip Joubert
One of my goals with this podcast is not simply to talk about the spiritual but also the systemic. One could argue that the two are actually intertwined. Can…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastMusic & Ministry After Hillsong with Matt Crocker
Topics Covered: Matt's early years of punk band drumming How Matt connected with Joel Houston and Hillsong Church Staying childlike as a worship leader How to…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastWhat We Can All Learn From The Theological And Musical Tradition Of The Black Church with Rev. Dr. Otis Moss III
Part of my desire with this podcast is to highlight voices - important voices that may not break through into the Christian mainstream, but powerful and…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastHow Charisma Has Shaped American History and Church History with Molly Worthen
What happens when Americans lose faith in their religious institutions - and politicians fill the void? As you study the scope of American history - and church…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastHow To Pastor Your Church Through Polarizing Political Times
Topics Covered: The journey from Worship & Creative Pastor to Lead Pastor Transitioning from a white, suburban, homogenous church to an inner city…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastWorship And Songwriting Trends Of The Last 15 Years
Topics Covered: Why many have a difficult time evaluating worship industry realities Worship trends in the 2010s How worship movements dominate a market Why…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Truth About the American Church's Complicity in Racism (And Where We Go From Here)
Today's conversation is with historian, author, and activist Dr. Jemar Tisby. Early in 2025 I decided to read more history. Call it curiosity or wanting more…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastChurch Styles, Worship Styles, & Multi-Generational Setlists with Lizzie Morgan
Today's conversation is returning to our roots at BSW - talking with a worship leader about worship. We've been talking to academics and historians - which we…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastWhy The Early Church Didn't Have Worship Services: A Conversation with Dr. Tom Wadsworth
As a young worship leader, I used to ask myself the question: "Why is worship such a big deal?" Not in the sense of "God isn't worthy of it…" but I realized…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Christian Movement That Is Threatening Our Democracy with Dr. Matthew D. Taylor
Topics Covered: C. Peter Wagner and the alliance between church growth and charismatic theology The New Apostolic Reformation and why it's important we…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Truth About The Gospel Industry That Is Actually True with Rick Robinson
On July 25, 2025 Isaac Caree released a podcast interview with Norman Gyamfi. Norman is a music industry executive and part owner of Maverick City Music…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastArtist Insecurity, Fear, & The Servant Hearted Worship Leader with Jon Reddick
Topics Covered: Growing up and learning music in the black church Leading multigenerational worship The crazy story of how John was "discovered" Overcoming…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Rival Religion of America and A Prophetic Call to Pastors with Brian Zahnd
Topics Covered: The story of how Word of Life Church lost 1500 people Why America is a rival religion to Christianity Why America is more akin to Babylon than…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Current State of Christian Music with Dustin Lolli from Sanctus Real
Topics Covered: How Dustin got involved in worship ministry The challenge with young artists and worship leaders who taste success early Why the CCM system is…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastIs Racial Reconciliation and a Healthy Multicultural Church Possible? An interview with Latasha Morrison
One my favorite books this year was Be The Bridge: Pursuing God's Heart for Racial Reconciliation by Latasha Morrison. A wonderful book that is challenging but…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastReimagining the Worship Industry with Chris McClarney & Jesse Phillips
So we talk a lot about the worship industry on this podcast. Sometimes that conversation can result in a let's just wine and complain about how awful it is…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Church, Culture, & How Jesus Changes Everything with Stanley Hauerwas
Today's conversation is a bit of a departure from our usual worship leader/worship industry conversation. I'm talking with Stanley Hauerwas. Here's his bio…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastChristianity in Chaos? How We Can Find Our Way in an Age of Confusion & Corruption with Glenn Packiam
Topics Covered: We talk about how we can glean insights from various church traditions Why creeds are important Why the church's reputation is suffering in…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastTwo White Guys Talking About The Black Church, Black Music, & Black Liberation (An Interview with David Gate)
Today's topic and subject matter is a tough one. I'm talking with my friend David Gate. David is a writer and poet. He has a new book releasing in 2025 called…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastThe Separation of Church and Concert with Andy Cherry
Today's conversation is with my friend Andy Cherry. Andy is a Worship Leader, former Worship Pastor, Songwriter with Capitol CMG, and touring bandmate with…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastChristian Nationalism and Worship: Faith, Politics, & Identity with Dr. Lester Ruth
Today's conversation is with Dr. Lester Ruth, a research professor of Christian Worship at Duke Divinity School. If you go back in the archives you'll see I…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastHow Industry And Christian Product Has Influenced Worship in the Local Church with Andrew Osenga
Today's conversation is with Andrew Osenga. Andrew is an artist, songwriter, producer, musician, and author. He used to do A&R with Integrity Music. Used to…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastLeading Teams and Leading Worship in a Mega Church with Jordan Howerton
Today's conversation is an interesting juxtaposition to last week's podcast with Jason Houtsma. Jason leads worship in a church of less than 100 people…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastSmall Church Worship, Click Tracks, & How Anyone Can Make a Worship Album with Jason Houtsma
Topics Covered: Playing actual live music in worship The small church community Comparing large church/high production to small church/low production Why you…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastDiscipleship, Ego, & Pursuing the Presence of God in Your Local Church with John Wilds
Topics Covered: Coffee snobbery John's favorite US (and international) coffee shops How to extend your vocal range Caring for the person, not the just the…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastAnointing Over Gifting, Women in Worship, & Evaluating the Foundation of Our Ministries with Natalie Runion
Today's conversation is with Natalie Runion - Natalie is a worship leader, author, speaker, and founder of the online community Raised to Stay. She's written…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastDeciphering, Unlearning, and Reframing Mega Church Worship Models with Becky Ykema
Topics Covered: Unlearning and deciphering mega church worship models Why it's not our job to move the room Trusting the Holy Spirit as a worship leader How…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastDarwin Hobbs on Finding Your Voice, Gospel Music in the Church, & Why We Can't Stop Talking About Racism.
Topics Covered: Why Gospel Music is fringe within the church Why we need diversity and how to encourage it Matters of race and racism in the church Finding…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastDavid Leonard on Creating in Community, Corporate Worship, & the Challenges of Being an Artist
Topics Covered: The story behind David's new studio The importance of creating in community The challenges of being a Christian artist in 2025 What is exciting…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastJeff Cochran on Spiritual Abuse, Mega Church Systems, & Fostering Healthier Worship Ministries
Today we welcome Jeff Cochran to the Beyond Sunday Podcast. Jeff is the founder of the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the host of the Church Disrupted podcast…
Beyond Sunday Worship Leader PodcastNathan Apffel & Chris Ayoub on The Religion Business
Topics Covered: The Religious Exemption and what it means How we can use worship as a subtle form of manipulation The mega church structure and the dangers…