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The Other 22 Hours
An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.
A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.
Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.
Episodes
The Other 22 HoursLow Cut Connie on front-facing data, the two things that last, and a good schvitz.
Adam Weiner has made records for twenty-five years, the last fifteen as the singer and pianist of Low Cut Connie, a band NPR has called the best live rock ’n’…
The Other 22 HoursRichard Thompson on coming back to center, songs that live in the margins, and catching the horse.
Richard Thompson was a teenager when he co-founded the influential British folk-rock band Fairport Convention. In the six decades since, he wrote “1952 Vincent…
The Other 22 HoursCharlie Worsham on good-enough routines, relief vs revenge, and two slices of lonely carrot cake.
Charlie Worsham has spent twenty years becoming the guitar player Nashville calls first. He’s played in the bands of Vince Gill and Dierks Bentley, toured with…
The Other 22 HoursBuddy Miller on going broke, staying grounded after the applause, and a $50 plastic guitar in the Hall of Fame.
If you don't know Buddy Miller by name, you probably know his work. He joined Emmylou Harris's band, has worked with artists from Robert Plant to Patty…
The Other 22 HoursDan Wilson (Semisonic, Adele) on rewriting career ambition, unlearning "should," and the agony of a #1 hit.
Dan Wilson’s songs have shaped our collective cultural landscape, from Semisonic’s enduring anthem "Closing Time" to Grammy-winning collaborations like…
The Other 22 HoursMedium Build on shadow work, hedges of protection, and fearing your barista.
Between late-night TV appearances and relentless album sprints, how does a working artist remain anchored in their own life? This week, we sit down with Nick…
The Other 22 HoursLindsay Lou on rebuilding the self, generational visibility, and 1am baby sets.
What does it mean to witness ourselves transform? Singer-songwriter and bluegrass powerhouse Lindsay Lou, a frequent collaborator with artists like Billy…
The Other 22 HoursMadison Cunningham on letting go of work, shifting ambition, and subconscious burner accounts.
In a culture that demands creative output be loud, continuous, and universally relatable, what does it mean to plant your flag in the quiet, specific, and…
The Other 22 HoursJim James on the illusion of arrival, healing the internal workhorse, and alien-mandated therapy.
As the frontman of Grammy-nominated rock band My Morning Jacket, Jim James has spent decades at the center of new alternative. His long list of achievements…
The Other 22 HoursBrandy Clark on standing out, surviving self doubt, and friendship bracelets.
We are often sold the myth that success cures insecurity. Brandy Clark joins us to unravel that narrative. Named one of the '"30 Greatest Living…
The Other 22 HoursMaggie Smith on self trust, moving beyond scarcity, and name-brand cereal.
What if the messiness of life isn’t an obstacle to making art, but the very material itself? In this reissued conversation from our archives, we sit down with…
The Other 22 HoursRodney Crowell on letting go of recognition, 40-year songs, and talking to trees.
With two Grammy Awards, 15 number-one singles, and a songwriting catalog recorded by legends like Emmylou Harris, Bob Seger, and Waylon Jennings, Nashville…
The Other 22 HoursMary Gauthier on the business mindset of an artist, art as recovery, and owning a clam shack.
GRAMMY-nominated songwriter and author Mary Gauthier, whose songs have been recorded by everyone from Tim McGraw and Blake Shelton to Boy George and Jimmy…
The Other 22 HoursRuby Amanfu on guarding your creative energy force field, the illusion of major-label financials, and cooking dinner for Willie Nelson.
This week, we dive into our archives for this special reissue of our conversation with GRAMMY-nominated singer-songwriter, producer, activist, and chef Ruby…
The Other 22 HoursYancey Strickler on artist power, interdependent networks, and a zip file worth thousands.
What happens when creative people stop looking for a seat at the table and build a table of their own? For generations society has treated an artist's life as…
The Other 22 HoursHrishikesh Hirway on creative wholeness, strategic dilettantism, and surrendering to sandpaper.
We often treat our creative identities like lanes, fearing that branching out looks like simple dilettantism. This week, we explore the delicate balance of…
The Other 22 HoursAmy Grant on unexpected healing, the invitation of aging, and craftopia.
What does it mean to inhabit a creative life when that container itself changes? We sit down with GRAMMY-nominated, multi-platinum crossover superstar Amy…
The Other 22 HoursJames Gardin on deconstructing the sync world, overcoming over-analysis, and the male affordable Lizzo.
How do you build a sustainable life around your art when the traditional definitions of success feel increasingly narrow? In this conversation, we sit down…
The Other 22 HoursLukas Nelson on shedding expectations, the antidote to egos, and training like an Olympian.
It is easy to look at a lifetime spent traveling on a tour bus in a famous family and assume the creative path was completely clear. We sit down with…
The Other 22 HoursJudy Collins on collective dreams, keeping the channel clear, and why artist's don't retire.
"We write to find out who we are." For over six decades, Judy Collins has been a pillar of American music: from GRAMMY awards, platinum records, and…
The Other 22 HoursAnnie & Cranston Clements on musical lineage, tour-life advocacy, and 150 hits of acid.
What does it mean to treat music not as a commodity, but as a multi-generational way of life? We sit down with father-daughter side musicians Cranston and…
The Other 22 HoursHeather Mae on social justice songwriting, the hedonic treadmill, and hearing god during a massage.
We often look at an artist's career through the lens of industry accolades: the tours, the streaming numbers, the awards. But what happens when you…
The Other 22 HoursMatraca Berg on the Nashville Hit Machine, streaming economics, and getting busted by bro country.
We often treat commercial success as the final destination of a creative life, but for legendary songwriter Matraca Berg, it was just the first act. She was…
The Other 22 HoursRob Moose on the feast-or-famine mindset, songs as love letters, and remaining child-like.
Behind nearly every influential indie-rock and pop record of the last 15 years has been the brilliant mind and hand of string arranger and…
The Other 22 HoursMichaela Anne + Aaron Shafer-Haiss on intuition vs assumption, creative ownership, and vulnerability as a faucet.
To celebrate our 150th episode, we try a bit of an experiment: interviewing ourselves, for the first time. After nearly two decades of partnership, we examine…
The Other 22 HoursMolly Tuttle on genre fluidity, artistic anxiety, and micro-managing travel routing.
Molly Tuttle has shared stages with Ringo Starr and Billy Strings, yet she still grapples with the unpredictable "ups and downs" of a musician's…
The Other 22 HoursAsleep at the Wheel on artistic identity, the vow of poverty, and why the geographic imperative is BS.
Ray Benson is an absolute pillar of American music, a nine-time GRAMMY winner whose band, Asleep at the Wheel, has defined western swing for over half a…
The Other 22 HoursNitty Gritty Dirt Band (Jeff Hanna) on a 60-year touring career, records with hair on them, and the joy in folding laundry.
As a founding member of the legendary Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and a three-time Grammy winner, Jeff Hanna has navigated nearly sixty years in the industry, which…
The Other 22 HoursWriting for the soul vs. writing for the brief, from writers to editors.
As the architect behind Rolling Stone Country and the host of the Nashville Now podcast, Joe Hudak has spent decades at the center of the industry. Along with…
The Other 22 HoursDerek Trucks on collaborative marriage, mentorship, and the healing power of a soundcheck poodle.
What happens to the creative spirit when you have been a professional "lifer" since the age of nine? Derek Trucks, widely considered one of the…
The Other 22 HoursSuzy Bogguss on pioneering the indie path, the quality of community, and disgusting freezers.
How does an artist outlast the industry machine to build a career entirely on her own terms? We sit down with GRAMMY-winner, ACM Vocalist of the year, and CMA…
The Other 22 HoursAmythyst Kiah on psychic sovereignty, success envy, and the self-improvement doom loop.
GRAMMY-nominated songwriter Amythyst Kiah has performed with Moby and Billy Strings and is a member of the supergroup Our Native Daughters. She joins us for a…
The Other 22 HoursJames Victore on radical integrity, questioning authority, and getting paid $20,000 to shut up.
James Victore is an Emmy Award-winning artist and author whose work is held in the permanent collection of the Louvre and has been exhibited many times at MoMA…
The Other 22 HoursS.G. Goodman on scarcity mindset, manual labor, and the art of letting go.
Singer-songwriter S.G. Goodman has earned critical acclaim, award nominations, and has worked with legends like Tyler Childers, Jason Isbell, and Jim James of…
The Other 22 HoursHunter Hayes on identity beyond music, high-efficiency routines, and radical vulnerability.
5-time GRAMMY-nominee Hunter Hayes has spent his entire life on the national stage, from performing at the White House at age seven to sharing stadium…
The Other 22 HoursButch Walker on accidental careers, the ego-driven climb, and 'shut up and sing'.
Butch Walker has spent decades at the summit of the music industry, producing multi-platinum records for icons like Pink, Katy Perry, and Green Day while…
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Kathleen Edwards on losing perspective, winning the lottery, and 'Quitters'.
Kathleen Edwards has been releasing records for over 20 years on labels such as Rounder and Dualtone, she is critically acclaimed by NPR, The New York Times…
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How UMAW is leading the labor movement to save the music industry.
UMAW (the United Musicians and Allied Workers) is a labor organization that 'Aims to organize music workers to fight for a more just music industry and to join…
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Chely Wright on strategic reinvention, the "pink haze" of losing everything, and 10,000 sunrises.
Chely Wright has sold over 1.5 million records with 90s country anthems like "Single White Female" and "Shut Up and Drive," she released her…
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Jim Keller on the crash and burn, ego death, and the magic of jam sessions.
Jim Keller started in the music industry as part of Tommy Tutone, writing the hit '867-5309/Jenny', then the bands career sank and he left performing, landing…
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Max Wanger on listening to the lull, asking questions, and staying curious.
Max Wanger is an LA-based photographer who has shot the likes of Taylor Swift, Mandy Moore, Blake Mills, Glen Hansard, Madison Cunningham and past guests of…
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Raye Zaragoza on healing the hustle wound, decentralizing, and patreon.
Raye Zaragoza has released 4+ records all independently, toured as Tigerlily in the Broadway touring version of Peter Pan (updated for indigenous…
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Kris Delmhorst on invisible work, trusting slow seasons, and the myth of being seen.
Kris Delmhorst has released 12+ records independently and via Signature Sounds, has written/performed and recorded with Mary Gauthier, Lori McKenna, Grant Lee…
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Will Hoge on speaking up, creative responsibility, and poking the bear.
Will Hoge has released 13+ albums both independently and on major labels (Atlantic), has been nominated for Grammy, ACM, and CMA awards, and has toured with…
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Malin Pettersen on cultural duality, impermanence, and privilege.
Malin Pettersen is a Norwegian singer-songwriter and Spellemannprisen winner (Norwegian Grammy), who has released multiple solo records as well as records with…
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Jillian Jacqueline on identity, motherhood, and creative renewal.
Jillian Jacqueline has released 4+ records/EPs on both major and independent labels, she started performing at 8 years old, had a charting song at 12 (with…
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Flyte on commodification, British repression, and conveyer belts.
Flyte are the British duo of songwriters Will Taylor and Nicolas Hill, who started creating together in grade school before signing to a major label (Island…
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Lera Lynn on identity, sexism, and finding creative power.
Lera Lynn has released 8+ records, written and recorded songs for True Detective (HBO) with T-Bone Burnett and Rosanne Cash (as well as being cast as a…
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Revolutionizing the Creative Economy with Yancey Strickler.
Yancey Strickler is a writer and entrepreneur that co-founded Kickstarter (and was CEO for 3 years), Metalabel, The Creative Independent, and A-Corp (Artist…
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Josh Radnor on first drafts, internal weather, and artistic generosity.
Josh Radnor is an actor, director, writer, singer/songwriter best known as Ted Mosby from the TV show 'How I Met Your Mother'. In addition to 9 seasons of the…
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AJR on laughing at yourself, failing quickly, and reading the comments.
AJR are a multi-platinum trio of brothers who started busking in NYC in 2005, and have gone on to release 10 records/EPs (mostly independently, with only 1…
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Dave Hause on blue collar, anticipation, and minor tweaks.
Dave Hause's spans 30+ years, from Philly-based punk and hardcore bands (like Paint it Black and The Loved Ones) to his solo career, dozens of records and…
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Hayes Carll on journaling, divesting from outcomes, and self solidity.
Hayes Carll is a Grammy nominated songwriter from Texas, who has appeared on everything from The Tonight Show to Austin City Limits, is championed by The New…
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Tami Neilson on fake rules, expiry dates, and champions.
Tami Neilson is a New Zealand-based artist who grew up in a family band, before releasing her own music independently - which has garnered acclaimed by Rolling…
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The Mammals on tradition, links in the chain, and localism.
The Mammals (Ruth Ungar and Mike Merenda, who also have a project called Mike & Ruthy) are a band from the Woodstock area with deep roots in the folk scene and…
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Dan Reeder on shunning mediocrity, painting, and building synths.
Dan Reeder is a singer-songwriter and painter originally from Louisiana, who has lived in Germany for decades, released critically acclaimed records via John…
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AI vs Creativity. Then, Now, and Next with Drew Thurlow.
The episode in which we ask the expert all the questions about AI and making music, as it stands today: what can AI actually do? What is it going to be able to…
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Maia Friedman on the ladder, mothering on the road, and economics.
Maia Friedman is a solo singer/songwriter, as well as a member of The Dirty Projectors and Coco. We talk with Maia about the ingrained narrative of climbing…
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Leslie Mendelson on self sufficiency, female representation, and gaps.
Leslie Mendelson is a Grammy nominated songwriter from New York City, a favorite of Jackson Browne and Jakob Dylan, she released her first record on RykoDisc…
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Tammy Rogers (The SteelDrivers) on collective bargaining, studio vs road, and flexibility.
Tammy Rogers is a founding member of Grammy-winning bluegrass band The SteelDrivers, a founding partner of Dead Reckoning (which is credited as being an early…