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IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
This podcast features conversations and research discussions by former participants of the International House of Prayer Kansas City (IHOPKC) and Kansas City Fellowship (KCF). Some contributors served in leadership or inner-circle roles, while others participated as staff, students, or long-term attendees. Together, these discussions explore lived experience, organizational culture, theology, authority structures, and the long-term impact of high-commitment religious environments. This podcast…
Episodes
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The False Gods Christians Still Believe In
John and Bob explore the false gods Christians still believe in—sometimes without realizing it. From territorial spirits and demons to Satan, divine councils…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
When Church Leaders Fall: The Side Nobody Wants to Talk About
John and Bob discuss the complicated dynamics behind church scandals, arguing that accountability cannot stop with exposing fallen leaders. They examine how…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Self-Vindicating Prophet: How the Cycle Really Works
John and Bob examine how prophetic vindication develops when unusual events are interpreted as supernatural signs and then used to establish the authority of…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Christian Nationalism vs. Christian Identity: What’s the Difference?
John and Bob discuss the meaning of Christian nationalism, why the term creates confusion, and how it differs from Christian identity. They examine the…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Hidden Struggle After Leaving a Destructive Church
John and Jed discuss what happens after someone recognizes the warning signs of a destructive religious group and decides to leave. They examine the loss of…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Corporate Apostle: How Business Culture Reshaped Church Leadership
John and Bob discuss how corporate leadership models may have influenced modern church structures and the New Apostolic Reformation. They compare apostles with…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
5 Red Flags of an Unhealthy Church
John and Jed discuss practical warning signs that can help people recognize unhealthy church environments. Rather than focusing only on doctrine, they examine…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
How To Recognize a New Apostolic Reformation Church
John and Jed discuss how people can recognize possible New Apostolic Reformation influence in churches, especially when groups identify as non-denominational…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
When Numbers Become Revelation
John and Bob discuss the strange world of numerology and dream interpretation inside the Latter Rain, Kansas City Fellowship, IHOPKC, and New Apostolic…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Stadium Christianity: When Revival Becomes a Rally
John and Brantley discuss "Stadium Christianity," the rally-driven religious culture behind mass revival events, prophetic hype, healing claims, crowd…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Bible As A Weapon: How NAR Leaders Silence Victims
John and Jed examine how Bible verses can be stripped from context, loaded with hidden meanings, and turned into weapons inside high-control revival movements…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Cover-Up Culture in Charismatic Churches
John and Bob discuss why cover-up culture develops inside charismatic and Pentecostal movements. Rather than placing the entire problem on fallen leaders…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Guru Model Behind Modern Prophecy
John and Bob examine how the "guru model" shapes religious authority, prophetic movements, revival culture, and the New Apostolic Reformation. The discussion…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Rededicate 250 And The Revival Rally Machine
John and Brantley examine Rededicate 250, Lou Engle, Dutch Sheets, Mike Johnson, revival language, Christian nationalism, and the emotional aftershocks…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
When A Church Cannot Survive Without Its Leader
John and Bob examine why central figures in high-control religious movements often feel compelled to return after public scandal, and why their followers may…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
When Prophecy Becomes Damage Control: Defense of MIke Bickle
John and Brantley examine a new defense of Mike Bickle that frames the Kansas City Star, prophetic signs, fasting, and spiritual warfare language as divine…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
John Paul Jackson, The Kansas City Prophets, And The Showmanship Problem
John and Bob examine John Paul Jackson's role in the Kansas City Prophets and the broader prophetic movement, asking whether his influence helped normalize a…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
What Bethel’s Crisis Reveals About Church Power
John and Jed examine the latest controversy surrounding Bethel Church, including public allegations involving Ben Armstrong and the broader leadership culture…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Hero Epic: Why The Mike Bickle Debate Exposes A Deeper Movement Crisis
John talks with Kevin and Barbara Sisti about Mike Bickle's attempted return and the deeper problems they see inside IHOPKC and the wider charismatic world…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Hidden History Behind The Charismatic Movement And The NAR
John and Bob examine how anti-Catholic activism, fraternal politics, and extremist religious networks intersected with early Pentecostal and Latter Rain…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Mike Bickle’s Return? What IHOPKC’s New Strategy Really Means
John and Brantley examine the growing effort to replatform Mike Bickle and the network of people and ministries now pushing for his return to influence. They…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
From Ancient Ecstasy To The New Apostolic Reformation
John and Bob trace the deeper lineage behind Pentecostalism, arguing that many of its defining themes did not begin in the early 1900s but emerged from much…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
From Azusa Street to IHOPKC - The Tangled DNA of Pentecostalism
John and Bob trace the fractured rise of Pentecostalism from Azusa Street through the Assemblies of God, healing revivalism, and later charismatic offshoots…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Hidden Cost Of Life Inside IHOPKC
John and Brantley examine how money, support raising, housing, work expectations, and spiritual pressure shaped daily life during the IHOPKC years. The…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Reform Or Rebrand? Why Charismatic Scandals Keep Resetting
John and Jed examine what "reform" actually looks like when high-profile charismatic leaders fall—and why so many systems reset without meaningful…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Five-Fold Ministry: How A Forgotten Idea Fueled The NAR
John and Bob trace the surprising historical path of the five-fold ministry, examining how a largely functional New Testament concept evolved into a modern…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
From Tent Revivals To Stadium Visions: Same Story, New Packaging
John and Brantley dig into how "revival" gets defined, marketed, and used to build controlling systems across charismatic networks. The conversation compares…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Experience Over Theology: Why The Latter Rain Never Ended
John and Jed explore whether the Latter Rain movement actually ended or simply rebranded through successive waves of Pentecostal and charismatic renewal…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Hidden Family Tree Behind IHOPKC and the Kansas City Prophets
John and Bob explore how modern prophetic Christianity developed through a complex web of relationships, ideas, and historical movements that eventually shaped…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Cover-Up Culture: Breaking the Silence
In this episode, John is joined by Brantley and Awen to examine the recurring pattern of cover-up culture inside segments of the modern charismatic movement…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Worship Music Manipulation: When Emotion Replaces Discernment
John and Brantley explore how music functions as one of the most powerful—and least examined—tools of influence inside charismatic and New…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
When Churches Become Kingdoms: The Dangerous Logic Behind Theocratic Faith Movements
John and Jed examine how modern charismatic movements evolved into closed systems of authority that function like miniature theocratic states. Drawing from…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Systemic Cover-Up Behind Modern False Prophecy
John and Jed discuss how modern prophetic movements evolved into closed systems that protect leaders at the expense of victims. They examine how false…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
KCF: The Prophetic Movement That Shaped the NAR
John and Bob trace how modern prophetic culture shifted from discernment and accountability into a system driven by influence, status, and institutional power…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Demystifying Modern Prophecy: Secret Mechanics Behind Charismatic Revelation
John and Brantley discuss the hidden mechanics behind modern prophetic culture, sharing personal experiences from IHOPKC, Latter-Rain-influenced churches, and…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Inside the Inner Circle: How Cult Elitism Really Works
John and Jedediah reflect on growing up inside elite families within high-control charismatic movements, comparing their experiences in Branhamism, IHOP-KC…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
IHOPKC and the Billion Soul Myth: The Error of Modern Revival Culture
John and Bob trace the long, tangled lineage of modern Pentecostal and charismatic movements, showing how cycles of cultural upheaval, crisis, and…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Fantasy World of Modern Charismatic Extremism
John and Brantley discuss how authoritarian religious systems blur the lines between fantasy and faith, examining the strange doctrines, magical thinking, and…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Inside the Mythology: John and Jed on IHOPKC, Faith, and Psychological Escape | Jed Hartley
John and Jed discuss the strange world of charismatic lore, looking honestly at how supernatural testimonies, miracle stories, and movement mythology shape the…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Christmas and Cults: When the Grinch Has a Pulpit
John and Brantley discuss the strange intersection between Christmas traditions and the theology of control that runs through movements like William…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Hero Worship in the Church: The Psychology of Idolatry - Bob Scott
John and Bob unpack the phenomenon of hero worship inside Christianity, tracing it from the ancient world to modern megachurch culture. They compare the…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Bethel’s Gold Dust: The Old Tricks Behind Modern Miracles
John and Jed examine the rise of manufactured signs and wonders in charismatic culture, using Bethel’s “gold dust” phenomenon as the clearest…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Secret History Behind Joel's Army and KCF
John and Bob explore how a little-known thread of mid-20th-century Pentecostalism shaped modern dominionist movements. They uncover the role of William…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Miracles, Manipulation, & the Myth of Faith Healing
John and Jed explore one of the most sensitive and emotionally charged topics in Pentecostal and Charismatic circles—the world of fake miracles…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Christian Nationalism: Faith and Politics Collide
John and Bob dive into one of the most complex and controversial topics of modern faith—Christian nationalism. They trace its deep roots from ancient…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Touch Not God's Anointed: The Weaponization of Holiness
John and Jed examine the shocking new Firefly report that brands Mike Bickle—a central figure in the International House of Prayer (IHOPKC)—a…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Uphill Trust and the Abuse of Authority
John and Jed discuss the issue of blind trust in cult leaders, using the recent defense of Mike Bickle as a case study. They explore how trust in healthy…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Finding Authentic Faith After Leaving a Cult
John and Bob reflect on the painful journey of leaving high-control religious groups and the struggle to find authentic faith afterward. They open up about…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Grace for Us, Judgment for You: The Double Standard of the NAR
John and Jed discuss the misuse of authority within modern religious movements, reflecting on their personal experiences growing up under high-control leaders…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Cult vs. Religion: When Allegiance Replaces Orthodoxy
John and Jed discuss the evolving relationship between doctrine, identity, and spiritual authority within modern charismatic movements, using the International…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Islam and the NAR: A Study in Religious Dominion | Bob Scott
John and Bob discuss the parallels between the New Apostolic Reformation and aspects of Islam, focusing on how both use structures of authority, wealth, and…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Bickle Playbook: Forgiveness Without Repentance
John and Jed discuss the recent speech defending Mike Bickle and how it attempted to frame the public perception of her brother, Mike. They reflect on how her…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Resurrecting the Fallen: The Bickle Family Cult Psychology
John and Bob discuss a recent public message delivered by Mike Bickle's sister, Lisa Stribbling, which sparked a wave of emotional and theological reactions…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Bethany Deaton Tragedy: What Really Happened at IHOPKC
John and Jed discuss the tragic and mysterious death of Bethany Deaton, a woman connected to a sub-community affiliated with the International House of Prayer…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Church or Circus: The Stage Act of Modern Christianity
John and Bob explore the sweeping transformation of church life in America, focusing on how cultural shifts—particularly post-World War II—reshaped…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
The Martyrs Who Weren’t: From Jonestown to Sean Feucht
John and Jed unpack a strange incident involving Sean Feucht's claim that a protester "firebombed" a church event—only to reveal it was a pink smoke…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
God in a Box: Breaking Free from Dominion Theology
John and Bob discuss the historical and theological roots of dominionism, tracing its lineage from ancient tribalism through Christian Identity and Latter Rain…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Franchise Faith: The Hidden Agenda Behind Global Church Plants
John and Jed discuss how cult dynamics infiltrate not only fringe religious groups like IHOP, YWAM, and Bethel, but also influence mainstream churches through…
- IHOPKC - Leaving the Message
Community of Reconciliation at New Adams Farm: The Untold Story | Bob Scott
Bob shares the powerful story of the Community of Reconciliation, a racially integrated Christian farming community established in Zimbabwe during the 1980s…