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The Digital Patient249: UC Davis Health's CHIO Dr. Scott MacDonald: Diagnosing EHR Frustration Like a Patient Exam, How AI Scribes Could Break Clinical Decision Support, and the Hidden Risk of AI's Errors of Omission
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Scott MacDonald, MD, Chief…
The Digital Patient248: UT Health San Antonio's Dr. Edward Sankary: Why Pilots Can't Be an Excuse to Avoid Strategy, How a "Mundane" AI Agent Hit Near-100% Compliance in Days, and When to Pause or Kill an AI Project
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Edward Sankary, MD, Vice…
The Digital Patient247: Sutter Health's CCIO Dr. Richard Milani: Why RPM Billing Pays for the Wrong Thing, the 10-to-1 ROI of Chronic Disease Control, and Health Literacy as a Design Input, Starting With Measurement
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Richard Milani, MD, Chief…
The Digital Patient246: Stanford Children's CMIO Dr. Keith Morse: The Real Reason AI Projects Succeed Has Nothing to Do With AI, Why One Use Case Undersells Every LLM, and Why Building Your Own AI Is a Closing Window
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Keith Morse, MD, MBA, CMIO at…
The Digital Patient245: UCSD's CMIO Dr. Marlene Millen: Is 20% Use of AI Draft Portal Responses Enough, Why Clinician Stories Beat ROI Spreadsheets for AI Funding, and How to Stop Shadow AI Without Punishing Anyone
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Marlene Millen, MD, Chief…
The Digital Patient244: Bergen New Bridge's CHIO Dr. Anthony Rosania: How Safety Nets Use AI Safely, What Informatics Can Learn From Pharmacists on ROI, and Why a Zero Denial Rate Means You're Losing Money
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Anthony Rosania, MD, MHA, Chief…
The Digital Patient243: Becker's 2026 Debrief: Competing with Wayne Gretzky (and winning), What Happens When Patients' AI Agents Start Talking to Yours, and The Most Interesting Ideas We Heard
In this special solo episode, hosts Joshua Liu, MD and Alan look back on their trip to Chicago for Becker's 2026 Annual IT + RCM Conference. They share the…
The Digital Patient242: Penn Medicine's Anna Schoenbaum: What Happens When Nurses Start Charting Out Loud for AI, The 3-Tier Rule for When AI Needs a Human in the Loop, and Why More Communication Won't Fix AI Adoption
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Joshua Liu, MD, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Anna Schoenbaum, DNP, RN, NI‑BC…
The Digital Patient241: Johns Hopkins Medicine's Dr. Brian Hasselfeld: Why AI Is a Labor Transformation, Not a Tech Shift, How Hopkins Governs AI Without Grinding to a Halt, and Who Gets the Productivity Gain with AI
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Brian Hasselfeld, MD, Executive…
The Digital Patient240: Lee Health's Jon Witenko: Why Ambient AI Stalls the Moment It Leaves the Ambulatory Clinic, Why He Stopped Waiting for the Perfect Smart Room, and 60-Second Pitches to Get Your Project Funded
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Joshua Liu, MD, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Jonathan Witenko, System…
The Digital Patient239: Saint Francis' CMO Dr. Reetu Singh: Why to Shop for Digital Tools the Way You Shop at Home Depot, the Hidden Cost of Standardizing Patient Care, and the Signal That Beats Every Dashboard Metric
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Reetu Singh, MD, FACHE, MBA…
The Digital Patient238: Essentia Health’s ACMIO Dr. Dave Kunstman: The Voice Agent Epic’s Agent Factory Built in Under a Day, Why Faster Builds Mean Faster Mistakes, & Why Ambient AI Is Care Redesign, Not Documentation
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with David Kunstman, MD, Associate…
The Digital Patient237: Inova Health's CIO/CDO Matt Kull: Why the Five-Year Vendor Contract Is Dead, Catching AI Model Drift Without Doubling Headcount, and How to Protect Trust with Good Governance
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Joshua Liu, MD, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Matt Kull, Chief Information and…
The Digital Patient236: Reid Health's CDIO Muhammad Siddiqui: Being 2nd to Go-Live with Epic’s Emmie AI, Epic Gold Stars 2 to 10 in Six Months, and How AI Can Scale Dysfunction if You're Not Careful
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Joshua Liu, MD, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Muhammad Siddiqui, Chief Digital…
The Digital Patient235: Beacon's CIDEO Dr. Stacey Johnston: Pushing Oracle to Its AI Limits, The Agent That Ordered 7,000 Colon Screenings and Caught Cancer Early, and What If You Spent More on Tech Than on Recruiting?
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Joshua Liu, MD, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Stacey Johnston, MD, MHA, CHCIO…
The Digital Patient234: Parkview's ACMIO Dr. Hasan Ahmad: Why Deleting EHR Alerts Is the Safest Thing You'll Do This Year, 3 Questions Every AI Tool Must Answer Before Go-Live, and Why Resistance Is Usability Feedback
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Joshua Liu, MD, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Hasan Ahmad, DO, MBA, MSc…
The Digital Patient233: Northwestern's CMO, Pop Health Dr. Amish Desai: Making 2,500 AI Calls in 5 Days that Patients Loved, The Scale-First Rule That Kills Pilotitus, and Why You Should Judge AI by the Alternative
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Amish Desai, MD, MSc, Chief…
The Digital Patient232: AMDIS 2026 Recap: The Clinical Informatics Conference So Good Our Own Podcast Hosts Showed Up, Moving from AI Anxiety to AI Operations, and the Uber That Nearly Escaped Us at the Spa
Josh and Alan reunite for a “solo” episode to recap their adventures at AMDIS 2026 in Ojai, CA. They dive deep on how health systems are moving from AI Anxiety…
The Digital Patient231: Emory Healthcare's Dr. Zsolt Kulcsar: Why Virtual Health Needs Its Own Department, The "Doc of the Day" That Frees Clinic Space, and Why Virtual Care Is More Primed for AI Than the Exam Room
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Zsolt Kulcsar, DO, MPH, MBA…
The Digital Patient230: Wellstar’s CHIO Dr. Pranav Jain: What Ambient Rollouts Get Wrong About the Care Model, How AI Fluency Creates 10X Clinicians, and The One Clinical Skill You Cannot Automate
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Pranav Jain, MD, MBA, Chief…
The Digital Patient229: Inova Health's CHIO Dr. Andrew Miner: 50x IT Adoption Through Physician Bonuses, The Reason Ambient's Biggest Win Isn't Time Savings, and Why Your EHR Will Soon Know Your Patients Better Than You
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Andrew Miner, MD, Chief Health…
The Digital Patient228: U of Toledo's former Enterprise CMIO Dr. Ryan Sadeghian: Don't Outsource Your AI Thinking, The Reason Clinical AI Tools Die After the Pilot, and Was Documentation Ever the Right Measure of Care?
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Ryan Sadeghian, MD, MBA, MSc…
The Digital Patient227: XGM 2026: Moving from AI Anxiety to AI Operations, The Great Snack Wheelbarrow Chase, and Why Alan Dressed Up as the Tin Man
Josh and Alan reunite for a casual “solo” episode to catch up on Josh's adventures at Epic's XGM. They dive deep on how health systems are moving from AI…
The Digital Patient226: Epic's CMO Dr. Jackie Gerhart: Epic's Vision for The Intelligent Visit, Which of Epic's 100+ AI Use Cases Get the Most Adoption, and What Changes About Physician Identity in the Age of AI
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Jackie Gerhart, MD, Chief…
The Digital Patient225: Moffitt's ACMIO Dr. Veena Lingam: The Hidden Skills Required for CMIO 4.0, The Real Risk of Consumer AI Tools in Your Org Right Now, and How to Build AI Governance When There's No Blueprint
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Veena Lingam, MD, Associate…
The Digital Patient224: Carle Health's ACMO/CIO Dr. David Lovinger: How a Sculptor Became a CMIO, Why Pop-Ups Are Almost Never the Right Answer, and How Design Thinking Fixes What Informatics Degrees Miss
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with David Lovinger, MD, FHM, FACP…
The Digital Patient223: ViVE & HIMSS Debrief, A New Father’s View on Digital Health, and How AI Is Exposing Every Crack in the Care Journey
Josh and Alan reunite for a casual “solo” episode to catch up on a busy few weeks – from Josh becoming a new father to key takeaways from ViVE and HIMSS. They…
The Digital Patient222: Care New England’s CCIO Dr. Sara Helvey: What a Startup Failure Taught Her About Vendor Selection, Why AI Clinical Decision Support Keeps Backfiring, and What Comes After Ambient Documentation
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Sara Helvey, MD, MBA, MPH, Chief…
The Digital Patient221: MemorialCare’s CMIO Dr. Vinh Nguyen: Why Ambient AI Is Only a Fraction of the Burnout Solution, The Hidden In-Basket Problem Nobody Is Talking About, and Why Clinicians Don’t Trust AI Agents Yet
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Vinh Nguyen, Chief Medical…
The Digital Patient220: ECU Health’s CMIO Dr. John Hanna: What Clinicians Build When Given No-code AI Tools, Why Most Health Systems Are Governing AI Backwards, and Is a Personalized EHR a Dream or Inevitable?
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with John Hanna, MD, Chief Medical…
The Digital Patient219: Carilion Clinic’s ACMIO Dr. Maruf Haider: The AI Question Nobody Wants to Answer, The Real Reason Clinicians Ignore CDS Alerts, and the One Phrase that Predicts Rollout Success
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Maruf Haider, MD, ACMIO, Digital…
The Digital Patient218: Nabla’s AI Executive Summit Debrief: Yann LeCun’s World Models, Where Health Systems are Going with AI after Ambient, and Things CMIOs will Never Say on Stage
In this special duo episode, Alan Sardana sits down with SeamlessMD Co-founder and CEO Joshua Liu, MD, to unpack the biggest ideas from the Nabla Accelerate AI…
The Digital Patient217: Corewell Health’s Dr. Bob Jarve: How Ambient AI Solves Burnout but Breaks Discrete Data Capture, Why Most Vendor Failures Happen Before Contract Signing, and How LLMs Supercharge SDoH Initiatives
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Bob Jarve, MD, MBA, MSc, FAAP…
The Digital Patient216: McLeod Health’s Dr. Bryon Frost: Patient Visits of the Future with Patient-Clinician-AI Collaboration, Adaptive vs. Technical Informatics Challenges, and the Move to Patient-First Precision Care
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Bryon Frost, CMIO at McLeod…
The Digital Patient215: Mount Sinai’s Drs. Gavin & Nadkarni: How to Turn Predictive AI into Clinical Action, Developing a “Scale-First” Operating Philosophy for Innovation, and Async Care to Improve Patient Access
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Nicholas Gavin, Chief…
The Digital Patient214: LifePoint Health’s Dr. Ryan Mackey: Operationalizing 5 AI Scribe Vendors Across a System, How to Enforce Quality Across a Fragmented, Multi-EHR Health System, and Expanding AI Beyond Physicians
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Ryan Mackey, CMIO at…
The Digital Patient213: John Muir Health’s CMIO Dr. Priti Patel: Phenotypes of Clinician AI Adopters, Demonstrating ROI Without Stifling Innovation, and How to Make Governance an Enabler, Not a Brake
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Priti Patel, CMIO at John…
The Digital Patient212: UMMS’ Emily Jacobsen: Why Trust is the Real Operating System for Clinical Transformation, Using Leadership Rounding as an Informatics Superpower, and How to Avoid Pilots That Never Scale
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Emily Jacobsen, VP, Clinical…
The Digital Patient211: Penn Medicine’s CHIO Dr. Sri Adusumalli: Introducing Positive Friction to Prevent Automation Bias, Monitoring AI Safety at Scale, and How AI will Impact the Future Healthcare “Front Door”
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Sri Adusumalli, Vice…
The Digital Patient210: UT Health’s ACMIO Dr. Tomi Kolade: The Unconventional Metric he uses to Measure Value for Informatics Tools, Reducing Knowledge Gaps to Improve EHR Usage, and Why AI Adoption is a People Problem
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Tomi Kolade, Assistant Chief…
The Digital Patient209: Houston Methodist’s Michelle Stansbury: Why Siloed Innovation Labs Don’t Work, Making Innovation Financially Accountable, and Why Health Systems Must Disrupt Themselves or Risk Being Disrupted
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Michelle Stansbury, Associate…
The Digital Patient208: Rush's ACMIO Dr. Juan C. Rojas: Where AI Performs Best in Clinical Care Today, Evaluating AI like a New Drug or Device, and Using AI to Identify High-Risk Patients When Data is Incomplete
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Juan "JC" Rojas, Associate…
The Digital Patient207: BSMH’s Jason Szczuka: Building Coalitions That Actually Move Innovation Forward, The 18-24 Month “Scale or Sunset” Rule for Pilots, and Creating Org Readiness Through Incentives and Desperation
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Jason Szczuka, Chief Digital…
The Digital Patient206: MHS’ ACMIO Dr. Michael Weiss: Fixing "Rogue" Clinical Notes, Designing Workflows for Rare but High-Risk Events, and Applying Goldilocks Principles to Governance
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Michael Weiss, Associate…
The Digital Patient205: Duke Health’s Dr. Eric Poon: Understanding Informatics as a Sociotechnical Team Sport, Co-Creating AI Tools to Promote Accountability, and Why We Must Kiss a lot of Frogs to Find Real Innovation
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Eric Poon, CHIO at Duke…
The Digital Patient204: Oracle Health’s Chairman, Dr. David Feinberg: How Oracle Health has Reimagined the EHR in the AI Era, The Next Frontier For Agentic Workflows, and Strategic Bets Oracle Health is Making
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. David Feinberg, Chairman of…
The Digital Patient203: Dr. Karl Kochendorfer: The Real Path to AI-augmented Clinical Messaging, The Role of LLMs for Patient Interactions, and How AI can actually make Clinicians More Human
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Karl Kochendorfer, Chief…
The Digital Patient202: Penn State Health’s Dr. Chris DeFlitch: What Healthcare Can Learn From Disney, Eliminating Waiting from Emergency Rooms, and Why Digital Transformation is Still About People Taking Care of People
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Chris DeFlitch, CMIO at Penn…
The Digital Patient201: Fairview Health Service’s Dr. Sameer Badlani: Creating New Platforms for Healthcare Delivery, Bringing Retail-Quality Experiences to Healthcare, and Proven Frameworks for Evaluating Tech Value
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Sameer Badlani, Chief…
The Digital Patient200: Sutter Health’s CMIO Dr. Veena Jones: Scaling Ambient AI for Real-World ROI, Involving Patients to Design AI Inbox Responses that Actually Work, and Moving Beyond Pajama Time to True Fulfillment
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Veena Jones, CMIO at Sutter…
The Digital Patient199: Mount Sinai’s CDTO Robbie Freeman: Enabling Clinician-Led AI Innovation, Embedding Forward-Deployed Engineers into Clinical Workflows, and Empowering Nurses to Lead Ethical AI
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Robbie Freeman, Chief Digital…
The Digital Patient198: OSF HealthCare’s Roopa Foulger: Why 80% of Healthcare AI Fails in the Real World, Inside OSF’s Three-Horizon Innovation Strategy, and When to Break the Rules of Evidence-Based Tech
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Roopa Foulger, Vice President…
The Digital Patient197: Parkview Health’s CMIO Dr. Mark Mabus: From Escape-Room Training to TikTok-style Edutainment, Infusing Creativity into Healthcare IT Training, and Preparing Clinicians for the Future of the EHR
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Mark Mabus, Chief Medical…
The Digital Patient196: Stanford Children’s CHIO Dr. Natalie Pageler: The Hidden Pediatric Data Crisis, How AI Is Best Used in Pediatrics, and Preventing Automation Complacency in Medicine
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Natalie Pageler, CHIO at…
The Digital Patient195: Intermountain’s CHIO Dr. Moores Todd: What She Learned About Healthcare From a Near-Death Experience, Sustaining Informatics Through ‘Gardening Mode’, and How AI Agents Will Shape Healthcare
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Tamara Moores Todd, Chief…
The Digital Patient194: Becker’s 2025 Debrief: From Swag Bags to Note Bloat, What Health Tech Conferences should do Differently, and the Most Interesting Ideas We Heard
On this special episode of The Digital Patient, Alan and Josh recap their time at Becker's 10th Annual Health IT + Digital Health + RCM Annual Meeting. From…
The Digital Patient193: UCSD Health’s Dr. Amy Sitapati: How AI Agents May Impact Data Cleanliness, Why Clinicians Need to Get Their Hands Wet with AI, and Understanding Patient Preferences to Personalize Care
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Amy Sitapati, CMIO…
The Digital Patient192: UCLA Health’s CMIO Dr. Eric Cheng: Applying Randomization to Informatics, Creating AI-Enabled, Personalized EHR Experiences for Every Clinician, and Advancing Equity Through Accurate Data
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Eric Cheng, CMIO at UCLA…
The Digital Patient191: Kettering Health’s Dr. Albert Bonnema: Combining EHR, Genomics & AI for Breakthroughs in Precision Med, Risks of AI Use in Medical Education, and Barriers to making Personalized Medicine Standard
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Albert Bonnema, CMIO at…
The Digital Patient190: KUMC’s former CMIO Dr. Greg Ator: Why AI Chart Summarization is the Next Dominant Use Case, Having a CMIO in Every Clinical Department, and Could a Startup Disrupt the Major EHR Incumbents?
On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Greg Ator, former, longtime…