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The Defense Rests??? | Brian Walshe Murder Trial, Day 9 Recap | The Murder of Ana Walshe · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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Well, I was wrong. I don't know that I was wrong.
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I really thought, well, I thought that Brian Walsh would
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definitely testify just based on the opening statement by his
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attorney. Mr. Tipton really felt like,
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yeah, this was going to be a thing, but I was wrong.
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Today Brian Walsh in his in day nine of his trial, said Nae,
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nae, Judge, I shall not testify. I am of sound mind.
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No, I have not been taking drugs, which was a reasonable
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question by the judge. Let's get into it.
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This video contains mature themes and discussions intended
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only for adult audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Hello there, my friend. Welcome back to another true
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front, another take two. Everybody take two.
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Hey and post. Let's remove that to another
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true crime conversation with me, Gavin Fish on my channel, where
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we like to cut through the fluff and sensationalism of true crime
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and just get down to the nitty gritty.
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Have nice sober conversations about both the nitty and the
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gritty. And tonight we are talking about
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the murder of Anna Walsh. Course, Anna Walsh was a 39 year
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old mother of three who had multiple domiciles.
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Her family was based in Cohasset, MA.
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She was in Washington DC being the breadwinner for the family
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because her husband, Brian Walsh was under federal order not to
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leave it. What a winner.
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Oh my goodness. You know, we all just need to
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believe people when they show us who they are.
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I think Anna had, I think Anna had issues and she was working
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towards addressing them and sadly didn't get the chance
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because her life was ended on New Year's Day of 2023.
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At least that's what we believe and that's what the prosecution
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believes, that Brian Walsh murdered Anna and then went on a
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little shopping spree just to pick up some plastic buckets of
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what? A hacksaw, some cleaning
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supplies. And then the prosecution says he
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went from place to place to place, discarding the evidence.
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And of course, he has been on trial.
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This was day 9, which didn't a lot didn't happen.
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I think where we want to begin today is well, first I want you
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guys to tell me where you're tuning in from because that's
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super important to me. But I'd also like for you to
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tell me in the comments. Put GF in your comment.
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Let me put the little third lower third up so you can see
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that. Put GF in your comments so it'll
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get highlighted on my end. Were you shocked that there that
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he didn't testify? In fact, what should I do?
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Let's start a poll. Let's start a poll.
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Did you think Brian Walsh would testify today?
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Yes or no? Just very simple.
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Let's start that little poll and then you guys tell me what you
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think. And as those go in, I want to
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show you a little video from yesterday's program.
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Let me bring up the right 1 here.
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It should be this one. Here we go.
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Now tomorrow, my guess is going to start out with a bunch of
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outside of the jury's presence conversations, probably about
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whether or not Mr. Walsh will decide to testify.
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I was correct about this. I personally think he would be
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stupid to testify, but I also think that he must testify and
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so he will likely testify. That is my guess.
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I they don't have to have that hearing at the beginning.
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They can wait until later, but it depends on what the judge
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lets them do. Let me just check in with a
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couple of your comments here, see if there's anything.
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This is disturbing, right? Two Gavins on the on the screen.
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Looks like you guys are Sharky. Sharona says Professor Joe
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thinks he will testify. Yeah, I, I agree with her.
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She and she knows. She knows much better than I do.
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I just think, I just think getting up on the stand, I I I
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don't think the jury's going to like him.
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I just don't think they're going to like him.
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It'll be interesting, interesting to hear his voice
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though, hear what he has to say. It sure would have.
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It sure would have. Man, that is disturbing to have
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a big Gavin and a little Gavin. Let's let's let's go ahead and
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take that off the screen, shall we?
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So checking in with the poll giving you guys just a little
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time here, it looks like 5859% of you say you did think that
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Brian Walsh was going to testify today. 40 Well, it's changing
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5842 right now and it it's going back and forth.
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So keep those votes coming in. We'll we'll let it go for a
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little bit. But yeah, I mean, I guess the
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majority of us kind of were in the same boat that we thought
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that he was going to testify. And we've got a couple of
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comments in here, Amber Price says.
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I was so disappointed. Yeah, I, I was too.
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I wanted to hear him, hear what he had to say, hear what he had
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to say. Look, real quick, let's just
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check in. We've got Lake George, NY in the
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house. We got Pearland, TX in the
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house. Modesto, CA in the house.
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Cleveland, GA, Jacksonville, FL And yes, I was shocked here from
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let's see, let me see if I know my my international flags.
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Of course I know the Union Jack from the UK.
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Thank you very much for being here.
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Just Ducky says surprise. No witness for the defense, no
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character witness. Yeah, nothing.
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We're going to get into that. Birmingham, AL is in the house.
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Kansas City, MO's in the house. Hickory, NC.
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McKinney, TX. Cure Beach, North Carolina 75°
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Mesa, AZ. My wife is jealous.
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My wife is jealous of that. She was just saying we need some
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sunshine and I reminded her we're not even technically in
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winter yet. Last winter was pretty mild if I
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remember. This one is turning out to be
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pretty darn snowy out here in Western PA.
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Let's see who else have we got here?
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We've got Suffolk UK in the house, Erie, PA in the house,
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yes. So thank you guys for checking
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in and the poll. Now I'm going to go ahead and
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end. The poll was at 5149 when I
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ended it, So I thought for our discussion tonight, where I
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would start is with the defense's opening statement.
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Let's bring that up here real quick.
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Let me push the right buttons and everything.
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This is about a three minute clip, and I just took a couple
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of segments of Mr. Tipton's opening statement and I'm just
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going to show you what he said was going to happen in this
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trial, what ostensibly or assumedly would have started
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today but did not. Let's hear what he has to say.
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Upstairs the better. Here let me start it over.
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It went upstairs, the better. And I know that the sound is
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bad. It's just it's the best I can
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do. It's the best I can do.
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I did bump it up. But he's walking back and forth
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in front of the jury, away from microphones.
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So he just started with, he went upstairs to the bedroom.
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I'm going to start it over. He went upstairs to the bedroom.
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About an hour later, you will hear evidence that Mister Walsh
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got up, went back down the stairs to clean the kitchen.
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In the middle of the night. You'll see evidence that he
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looked at his e-mail. I've not seen that evidence.
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You'll hear evidence that he then returned to the bedroom,
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intending nothing more than to crawl into bed with Anna Walsh.
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I have not heard that evidence. When he entered the bedroom and
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began to get into the bed, he sensed something was wrong.
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You will hear evidence that it made no sense to him.
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I have not heard that. Evidence.
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But he nudged Anna, his wife. She didn't respond.
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He nudged her again, a little harder.
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She didn't respond. He nudged her now in a frantic
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and panic reaction to where she actually rolled off.
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I've not heard that evidence. You'll hear evidence that now he
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is panicking and he doesn't understand what has happened and
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what is happening. I have not heard that evidence.
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It didn't make any sense to you? Makes no sense to me.
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It didn't. Make sense that somebody that he
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had just been with and enjoyed New Year's Eve into New Year's
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Day would suddenly be dead. I agree that makes no sense.
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You will hear evidence in this case of sudden unexplained.
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Death. I have heard talk of this
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throughout the trial, but I have not heard any evidence of it.
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You will hear evidence that it is real.
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Oh, I'm sure it's real. You will hear evidence that it
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happens in young people and old. Have not heard that evidence.
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It happens in male and female. You will hear evidence it
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happens during the day and during the night that it
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happens. I I assume that all of that is
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true, however, I've not heard any evidence of it in this
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trial. The trained efforts, you will
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hear evidence that it can be the result of both mechanical and
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are electrical problems within the body.
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You will hear evidence that it might be cardiovascular,
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pulmonary, neurological are other reasons.
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Perhaps digestional? I would love to hear that
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evidence. I have heard none of it.
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You will hear evidence that it occurs in people who have never
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manifested A symptom that something might be wrong.
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And in fact, you will hear evidence that sometimes the
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first manifestation that something is or was wrong with
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someone is the sudden unexplained.
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Yeah, that's the evidence you will hear.
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No, I haven't heard any of it. OK.
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All right, All right. So I just wanted to remind us
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all kind of where we started. We were.
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I was. That's a pretty high bar that
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Mister Tipton set. Now, listen, I don't blame him.
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He is the defense attorney, right?
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He is. His job is to plant as many
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seeds of doubt as he possibly can, hoping that the jury will
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find one of them reasonable, at least one reasonable right.
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But we have not heard any of the evidence that he told us he was
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going to, we were going to hear during the course of this trial,
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right. I mean, what are you guys saying
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over here? Mooney's saying, Mooney's
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asking. So the defense did not put on a
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case at all. That is correct.
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And we're I'm going to show you a little bit here, OK?
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I am going to show you a bit cooler by the Lakes says closing
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statements are limited loosely to 45 minutes each.
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Odds are we'll get a verdict tomorrow.
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How long do you think they'll deliberate?
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Yeah, on a nine day trial, 10 day trial with no defense being
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put up. I yeah, I I think we could get a
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verdict in the early afternoon. It's possible.
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But then again, then again, professional waffler talking
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here, right when you get into that jury room and you begin to
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deliberate. This is the way it worked for me
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anyway. We go in, we're a bunch of
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people, all different walks of life and all of us, it seemed,
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Not all of us, but many of us, myself included, because I was a
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young man, cocky and full of myself at the tender age of like
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26 or whatever I was. I think that was back in about
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2001. So yeah, 2526 or many of us were
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vying for jury foreperson for some reason, I don't know why,
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but we, we elected our foreperson and then we cast our
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first vote. It was, it was anonymous.
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We wrote our vote yes or no, guilty or not guilty and we put
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them into I think it was a hat and drew out of the the
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foreperson. She drew out of the hat.
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And then and I was like this is great because Thanksgiving is
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upon us and we are on a road trip.
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So this is going to be fast because this guy is obviously
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guilty. And I could not believe that my
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fellow jury jurors had seen the same trial that I had seen.
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It was crazy. So you never, you never know.
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Scotch Mom says Gavin, why do you think that his defense
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didn't have him testify or even put on an offense?
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For me? There's only one reason why they
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would decide that. And they think that that reason
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is that they think that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts
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did not meet its burden of proving beyond a reasonable
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doubt that Brian Walsh murdered Anna Walsh.
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And since they have no burden, the defense, I mean, they're
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like, I, I think we're done here.
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It's also possible that they knew that he would lie.
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I mean, I mean that that is definitely a possibility, Joy,
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Joy, says Gavin. I'm kind of thinking they're
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going to see if he can plead to a lesser charge.
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Oh, do you think that maybe there's some negotiating
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happening, some wrangling behind the scenes before the jury even
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gets their charge? Possible, Possible.
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La La Salle 164. Welcome.
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So glad to have you as a new member.
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I saw somebody up here earlier, Marie Jubinville, 5 months of
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fanatics. She says Brian Walsh not
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testifying was a complete shocker.
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Yeah, I thought so too. I thought so, too.
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Let's see if there's any. OK.
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Julie Martinez says Vinny will have his red tie on tomorrow on
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Court TV. That's funny.
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OK, so the next little video that I want to show you all is
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it's a compilation that I put together.
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It's it starts out here where we're going to take a look at
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the colloquy between the judge and Mr. Walsh.
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Basically in every court or every trial I've ever seen,
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either in person or on TV, the the defense doesn't have to
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choose whether they are going to the defendant is going to
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testify until it's time to put on the defense.
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Sometimes I've seen it even where there have been multiple
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defense witnesses before. They do this little hearing,
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they call it a colloquy. They like fancy words.
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And so we're going to start out with this colloquy between the
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judge and Mr. Walsh. And then I've I've got another
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couple of segments that that I've prepared for you as well.
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You'll see the white flash. Here we go.
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Mr. Walsh, one important decision that all defendants in
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every criminal trial need to make is whether or not they're
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going to testify in a particular case.
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You have an absolute right to testify at this trial, and
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you're right. Whether or not to testify is
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solely your decision. This means that you are not
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required to take your attorney's advice.
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I'm sure that your attorney's, Attorney Tipton and Attorney
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Porges have told you that if you do testify, the Commonwealth has
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the right to cross examine you. That is the right to ask you
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questions if you do not testify, and you and your attorney
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request me to do so during my final instructions to the jury
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in the law on this case. Tomorrow, I will tell the jury
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that you, like all persons charged with a crime, have the
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right not to testify and that the jurors may not speculate
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about your decision not to testify. 1st, I'm going to ask
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you some preliminary questions. Sir, in the last 24 hours, have
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you had any alcohol or alcoholic beverages?
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No, I have not. In the last 24 hours, have you
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taken any prescription medicines?
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I have not. In the last 24 hours, have you
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consumed any legal or illegal substances?
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I have not. Is your mind clear here today?
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It is. Tell me, in your own words, what
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are we discussing? Whether I'll testify or not in
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my trial. Yeah.
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So these are just standard questions to make sure that he
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legally speaking, he is qualified to answer, you know,
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this question and and it protects the court from from
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what is it called from appeals later.
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Right. Have you discussed with your
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attorneys the decision about whether or not to testify in
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this trial? I have.
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And if had, have you had enough time to discuss your decision
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with your attorneys? Yes, I have.
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Have your attorneys discussed with you the pros and cons of
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testifying and not testifying? Yes, they have.
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And do you understand what your attorneys explained to you about
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your right to testify? Yes.
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Has anyone threatened you or promised you anything to get you
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to give up your right to testify on your own behalf?
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No. Have you made a decision about
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whether you wish to testify at this trial?
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Yes, I have. And what is your decision?
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I will not testify. There it is.
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Does any party wish me to ask any further questions before I
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make my findings? No, Your Honor.
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No, Your Honor, I find that the defendant, Brian Walsh, freely,
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voluntarily, knowingly and intelligently has waived his
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right to testify at this criminal trial.
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Intelligently and he's. Done so, with the knowledge of
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its consequences, I accept his decision.
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OK, so there's that piece. This is where.
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We'll start today with the four questions.
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Jurors, were you able to comply with my order that you not speak
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to anyone about this case? Yes, yes.
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Oh, she makes eye contact with everybody.
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We're able to comply with my order that you're not doing any
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research about the case. Be able to comply with my order
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that you not go on any social media or access any news media,
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Yes. And you still all have open
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minds, yes? Makes eye contact each time
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she's serious. Those four questions all
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answered in the affirmative. We're ready to begin today's
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work. She does this every.
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Morning. Does the defense wish to call
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any witnesses in this case? We do not trip.
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Defense rests. Defense rests all.
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Right there it is. I'll see counsel at the side of
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the bench. The jurors.
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I, I think I've referred to the trial as I sort of see it as
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different chapters of the book. Another chapter of the book has
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just closed and that is that all the evidence in the case has now
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been presented to you. I remind you at this time,
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jurors, and I reminded you of this at the close of yesterday,
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the defense has no burden in this case and has no burden to
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produce any evidence at all. And that's because, as you
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probably are all very well aware at this point, the burden lies
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on the Commonwealth to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt
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and it never shifts from the Commonwealth.
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Right? So what happens next?
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What happens next is the next chapter we're going to go to as
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we move towards your deliberations.
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Is that really two things that happens interspersed?
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I'll explain two things that left that need left to be done
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is I need to give you my jury charge, my legal instructions to
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you, and then you need to hear the closing arguments of
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council. Got to hear these closing
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arguments. So the way that happens is I
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will give you when we next reconvene, which is going to be
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tomorrow morning, and I'll tell you why in a little minute.
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In a minute I will give you instructions on the law that's
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specific to the charge that's primed here, the the charge that
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the prime that was charged here, excuse me, murder.
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Then the lawyers will do their closing arguments and then I
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come back and give you additional instructions.
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I call them more generalized instructions.
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So those two parts of the trial happened.
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Thank you. First, a little instruction
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argument. More instruction.
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That's going to happen tomorrow morning.
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OK, so that's where we are, right?
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The jury then is instructed, hey, don't watch any social
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media, don't do any research, don't watch any news media on
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this. Just keep an open mind and we
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will be back tomorrow. I if I were in that jury when
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Mr. Tipton stood up, what was that about here?
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Right? Where was that?
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Yeah, about here. It's like, so the defense rests.
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I'd be like, what? Now?
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The defense rests. OK, so I'm sure tonight as
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they're going to their homes and they're tucking themselves into
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bed going what the devil they're going to, their minds are going
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to be churning about all the stuff that they didn't get to
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know in this case. Very, very interesting indeed.
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Let's see, Scotch mom says I don't think he can plead to a
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lesser in Massachusetts. I think, well, he couldn't plead
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directly to the court for lesser, but they could bargain.
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It's possible. I don't think that the
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Commonwealth really sees themselves as in a position
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where they need to do any plea bargaining at all.
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I mean, I think that through their 50 witnesses, all of their
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physical evidence, all of their digital forensic evidence, and
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the fact that he said, yeah, I disposed of her body, I think
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they have proven I, I honestly do.
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I think they've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed
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his wife. The defense said, hey, we're
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going to show you all this evidence about sudden
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unexplained death and then didn't show them any of that.
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I mean, they talked about it in cross examinations and stuff
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like that, but they didn't. So I think the jury is going to
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be inclined to to convict here. It really boils down to does the
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does the Commonwealth, do the lawyers representing the
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Commonwealth want to ensure that he has some sort of prison time
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by bargaining with the defense? I think that that probably won't
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go anywhere. They they won't do that.
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Tanya Jones, good to see you cross examination.
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So if you didn't do the thing, why did you do the choppy?
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Choppy. Yes.
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Counterpoint, Mr. Walsh. But you did saw her with a
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hacksaw and chop her up with a hatchet, right?
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Uh huh. See, I was confused, you know,
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You know, you know, this reminds me of, and real quick, I know
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this doesn't need saying, but we take victims very seriously.
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We take crime very seriously, victims families very seriously,
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but we don't take ourselves seriously, OK?
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So every once in a while we're going to have a little giggle
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about this, OK. It reminds me of the great Phil
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Hartman performing on Saturday Night Live as a lawyer who was a
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caveman. I'm just a caveman.
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I I I don't know what to do when my wife expires in bed.
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I'm just a caveman. I thought, Get myself a hacksaw
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and a hatchet and 10 buckets and that tie, that suit.
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You know why? I'm just a caveman.
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That's the way it feels to me. Yeah.
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Mr. Walsh, there is a YouTube on of course YouTube that refers to
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your crime as the choppy, choppy.
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Mr. Walsh, this choppy, choppy why you done it?
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Yeah, that's that's funny. Mooney says so the jury knows
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about the guilty plea for the choppy, choppy and disposal of
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on it. I so yes, because do they
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though? I'm trying to remember.
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I I I think so. Let's see.
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Does the jury know that Brian Walsh pleaded guilty to the two
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other crimes? Let me see.
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I think it would. I think so.
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Oh, hold on. No.
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The jury in Brian Walsh's trial is not aware that he formally
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pleaded guilty to the charges of misleading police and improper
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disposal of a human body. During the trial, the defense
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team has acknowledged that Mister Walsh engaged in actions
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of lying to police and disposing of items, framing this is
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admission as part of their defense strategy, arguing he
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panicked after finding his wife dead of an unexpected cause, not
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that he murdered her. OK, So they don't know that he
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has pleaded formally pleaded guilty to the other charges, but
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they know that he did, in their words, panic and therefore
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dispose of her body, I guess. Yeah.
30:33
Good question, Mooney. And it's good to have that, that
30:37
that is not a distinction without a difference, right?
30:39
There's definitely a difference there.
30:43
Mooney is also saying Phil Hartman was so great, his ending
30:46
was such a tragedy. Yeah, it was for sure.
30:49
And Jenny says the defense wanted to please in and want it,
30:54
and the state wanted them kept out.
30:58
Interesting. Interesting.
31:02
And yeah, you guys are on it. The jury doesn't know.
31:05
Pretty sure they don't. I don't think they know.
31:07
No, no, they don't. No, they don't.
31:08
You guys are at it long before I am.
31:11
So that is what happened today. Tomorrow is going to be an
31:14
interesting one, guys. It's going to be, well, I mean,
31:18
I'm curious what the closing argument for the defense is
31:21
going to be a kind of kind of can see the closing argument for
31:24
the prosecution coming, right? Because it's just going to be a
31:28
wrap up of what they showed and why they've proven their case
31:34
beyond a reasonable doubt. That's what they always do.
31:37
The defense, however, my guess it's going to be, hey, misters
31:45
and Madam's Messrs and Madam's juror juror people, you may have
31:54
noticed that yesterday we closed our case.
31:56
We just rested our case. Let me tell you why.
31:59
Because they got the burden, man, and they didn't meet their
32:02
burden. Now, what's interesting about
32:05
the way these work is in opening statements, the prosecution goes
32:09
first, the defense goes last in. In the closing, the prosecution
32:17
gets to go last. So that's the last thing that is
32:20
on their mind. I've seen that abused, by the
32:23
way, in court, at least in my opinion.
32:26
Where a prosecutor said something that was actually
32:30
false and the freaking defense attorney did nothing about it.
32:35
But anyway, yeah, we're going to have to watch those closing
32:39
arguments, like Mooney said, right?
32:40
We're going to be all over it. Real happy says the totality of
32:44
evidence presented and common sense are likely going to serve
32:49
Mr. Walsh guilty. Ah, a Heineman says, In my
32:57
opinion, second degree was proven, but premeditation not
33:02
proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
33:04
Interesting. Cooler by the Lake says the
33:06
defense will double down on the sudden death scenario and will
33:09
argue that there's no proof that she was murdered.
33:16
All right, well, we're definitely, definitely going to
33:20
watch it. Now you may have noticed that
33:23
this very day this very live stream right here we didn't
33:27
start out with headlines that's because I have to sack mode to
33:31
the end. Let's get into a couple other
33:33
true crime headlines. True crime headlines, POW.
33:42
All right, guys, in this segment we just talked about a couple of
33:46
things that are happening around the world of true crime.
33:49
Got something from TMZ. Now TMZ, they, they seem to be
33:56
man on the street here getting the information, though
34:00
sometimes it's disputed. So let's see what TMZ is
34:04
reporting here. Celeste Rivas grand jury witness
34:06
will be arrested and forced to testify.
34:09
There's trouble in the grand jury room where witnesses are
34:12
testifying about the circumstances surrounding
34:14
Celeste Rivas Hernandez's death because at least one witness is
34:18
so uncooperative. She's about to be arrested, TMZ
34:21
has learned. Here's the way it went down.
34:23
Beth Silverman, the deputy DA presenting the case in Los
34:27
Angeles, came out into the hallway Wednesday afternoon and
34:30
approached attorney Evan Janess. She, yeah, she represents Robert
34:37
Morgan Roth, who manages singer David, who apparently already
34:40
testified to the grand jury. Silverman told Janess she was
34:46
going to have the judge issue a, quote, body attachment to force
34:50
a female witness to testify before the grand jury.
34:53
It appears the female witness was a no show and a visibly
34:57
frustrated Silverman said she would have authorities take the
35:00
female witness into custody and bring her to the courtroom.
35:04
We do not know who the female witness is, but it's
35:07
interesting. She's represented by the same
35:09
lawyer as Morgan Roth who spent about 3 days testifying before
35:12
the grand jury. So that is what's going on in
35:17
the Celeste Revis case. Next case I want to bring you
35:21
back on. Remember, we talked about the
35:24
death of Rebecca Park. My goodness.
35:26
So affidavits detail Rebecca Park was alive as baby was cut
35:31
from her. This comes to us from Court TV,
35:36
Dateline, Wexford County, Michigan.
35:38
Court documents reveal that a woman and her husband charged in
35:41
the death of her pregnant biological daughter pointed the
35:45
blame at each other during interviews with police.
35:47
Shocking Courtney Bartholomew and her husband Bradley
35:52
Bartholomew are facing multiple charges in the death of 22 year
35:55
old Rebecca Park, who was 38 weeks pregnant when she
35:58
disappeared in November. Park's body was found three
36:01
weeks later, but her baby was nowhere to be found, authorities
36:05
previously said. Affidavits obtained by Court TV
36:10
detailed that Park may have been killed in an alleged revenge
36:14
plot with multiple motives involving her fiance, Richard
36:17
Fowler. In a series of interviews with
36:20
police, Courtney admits that she had a sexual relationship with
36:23
Fowler during a period of time when he and Park were broken up.
36:30
So the mom had sexual relationship with the daughter's
36:34
fiance when they were broken up. Courtney said at the time of the
36:38
affair she was in the middle of divorcing Bradley but became
36:41
pregnant. Courtney told investigators she
36:44
wasn't sure who the baby's father was, but the pregnancy
36:47
ended in a miscarriage after Fowler allegedly R worded her
36:52
when she rejected him for Bradley.
36:54
Courtney also alleged that Bradley killed Park because he
36:58
was angry with Fowler for getting him in trouble regarding
37:01
his sex offender registry status.
37:03
Oh my goodness, this is the winningest family in the world.
37:11
Quote. She again claimed that this was
37:13
a revenge plot because she had a sexual relationship with Rich
37:16
and because Rich got Bradley put in jail.
37:18
She claimed that Bradley wanted to hurt Rich.
37:21
At one point Courtney even claimed Bradley said he was the
37:24
biological father. What of Park's child?
37:29
Oh my goodness quote from the affidavits.
37:31
Brad said it was his in reference to Rebecca's baby.
37:35
Now, when it is questioned that they don't like each other,
37:37
Courtney says yes, they do. Oh my goodness.
37:42
An autopsy revealed multiple stab wounds on Park's body,
37:45
including wounds on her back and neck.
37:47
Investigators noted in the affidavits that Park's abdomen
37:50
had incised wounds slicey and the placenta was still attached
37:55
to her body. The medical examiner reported
37:57
her stomach contained copious amounts of blue-green, chalky
38:00
residue. Oh, so yeah, I, I need to, I
38:08
need to get some, some what what am I trying to say?
38:15
The transition music, This family man, this family.
38:21
Oh, my goodness gracious. Let's see couple of comments.
38:31
Those are your headlines. I got to get out of here.
38:38
True crime headlines. POW.
38:42
OK, a couple of comments real quick.
38:44
In Massachusetts, defense gives closing the 1st and then the
38:46
Commonwealth. Yeah.
38:49
Yeah, that. Did I say it backwards?
38:51
That's that's what I meant. Commonwealth goes last in the
38:53
closing. Yeah.
38:55
Jenny says she likes the order change.
38:57
Yeah. I think I'll put headlines at
38:58
the end. Thank you.
39:01
That Michigan trial makes me hear banjos.
39:04
Birdie. Yeah, it it.
39:06
Wow. Real Happy 33 also brings up TMZ
39:10
also said that Celeste Rivas was frozen.
39:13
So yeah, Celeste Rivas that case.
39:15
TMZ has been called out a couple of times.
39:18
Real Happy says when you think this story can't get any worse.
39:24
And just Ducky says, I think they did the stabby stabby first
39:27
to try to induce her labor. Oh, just so that case is pretty
39:36
bad. Pretty bad indeed.
39:38
Thank you. Yeah.
39:39
And beach mom at Cure says dysfunctional beyond.
39:44
Yes, there's there's sex offender registries involved.
39:49
There is there are two love triangles.
39:52
What would we call that? Double.
39:55
Double the left triangles, please.
39:58
Yes, I'd like the love triangle and make it a double.
40:00
Yeah, that's just so, so, so bad.
40:03
All right, let's get into our last segment of the day before
40:09
we call it. It's 3 questions.
40:15
It's three questions with Gavin Finn.
40:16
Doo Doo Doo, Doo, Doo Doo Doo Doo.
40:18
Yeah, yes, indeed. All right, let's bring this on
40:22
up. Couple questions that have come
40:24
in question number 10. By the way, listen, if you want
40:29
to ask a question by the way, I said by the way, twice in one
40:32
sentence. There was a semi colon in there.
40:34
But anyway, I don't get tons of questions.
40:37
Guys. If you want your questions
40:39
answered, just just send them in three questions at gavinfish.com
40:43
and I will do my darndest to answer all the questions.
40:46
OK, It's spelled out THR EE questions at gavinfish.com.
40:51
All right, question number one, why do you think some cases like
40:55
Anna Walsh capture national attention while others disappear
40:58
overnight? I feel like I'm going to get in
41:01
trouble for answering this question, but I'm going to
41:07
answer it, OK? And this is the honest truth in
41:10
my heart. This is how I feel #1 the human
41:16
animal, of which we all are one that are watching this live
41:21
stream I at least. Well, at least I assume there
41:23
could be some Yeti in there, I guess.
41:25
But the human animal values beauty.
41:30
We value beauty and we devalue ugliness.
41:37
We devalue it. Now, the thing about ugliness is
41:41
that it doesn't have to be visual ugliness.
41:47
It can be. I mean, it's not like Brian
41:51
Walsh is the world's handsomest dude, right?
41:55
Kind of hard to look at that guy.
41:58
Kind of hard to look at. And.
42:02
And he. Yeah, he just.
42:06
Yeah. Plus, the crime itself is so
42:09
freaking beyond the pale, over the top ugly that it makes this
42:14
guy turn into a beast to all of us.
42:19
OK, On the other hand, on a wall, she's a beautiful
42:23
middle-aged woman. Yes, I said middle-aged because
42:28
she's 39. Yeah, we make it into our 80s
42:31
these days. 90s, I guess she's approaching middle-aged, Let's
42:36
call it that. She's beautiful woman and she
42:39
has what appears to be a beautiful life.
42:41
She's successful, she has beautiful children, she's living
42:44
in mansions, the whole shebang, right?
42:47
And so to answer this question, I honestly think it's that
42:52
simple. And if you think about the cases
42:54
that we follow on on my channel, I mean, we've got, you know,
43:03
like Ellen Greenberg, cute little Anna Kepner, we've got
43:08
Gabby Petito, we've got, you know, Suzanne Morphew, beautiful
43:13
woman, Celeste Rivas, beautiful young lady, Kate Scott, a
43:19
beautiful woman, you know, and and here's here's an interesting
43:23
1 Lake and Snelling. So this is 1 where we've seen
43:27
beauty fall from grace, right? That that captures our
43:32
attention. And then nothing's more
43:34
beautiful than a child, right? Nothing's more beautiful than a
43:39
child. And so we, I mean, we, we care,
43:45
we care about beauty. And I think that's what captures
43:49
our attention. I think it's that simple.
43:52
I really think it is also it's very important that like there
43:57
are there are underrepresented communities here in our great
44:02
nation in the world that don't get the coverage.
44:08
And it's not for lack of beauty, actually, it's for lack of
44:11
empathy. When we see victims specifically
44:16
that we can empathize with, they remind us of our mom, our
44:20
cousin, our daughter, our sister, whomever we are able to
44:25
empathize more with it. And I, I wish that weren't the
44:30
case. I just think that that is the
44:32
nature of the human animal, of which, as I said, most of us
44:37
watching tonight belong to that part of the Kingdom, right?
44:41
The animal Kingdom, I mean. So I think it's, I think it's
44:45
that simple question #2 what's something you wish you had more
44:51
time for? That's such a simple question
44:59
and yet kind of deeply profound. I, I'm a person that really
45:08
enjoys lots of different things, lots of different hobbies, lots
45:12
of different, just lots of different things.
45:15
If there's something that I care deeply enough about, I make time
45:20
for it. I, I always do now in this
45:23
moment right now, I'm working on learning French right now and
45:31
I'm, I'm not doing very well out.
45:32
I'm not putting in the time and I'm not using, I'm not speaking
45:36
it very well. So I definitely need to spend
45:40
more time on that. I'm also I, I don't want you
45:44
guys to get the impression that I'm actually any good at any of
45:48
the things that I try. I like, I like lots of things.
45:51
I have lots of interests and I tend to be mediocre to middling
45:57
on those things I do. I would like to spend a little
46:00
more time on the piano. I've been working on learning to
46:03
play a specific song and, and I need to spend more time on that,
46:10
I guess. So more time in the music room,
46:12
specifically on the piano. We have a, we're, we're blessed
46:17
with a music, with a beautiful music room.
46:19
We have a 1880s John Broadwood and Sons piano, grand piano.
46:24
It's like 11 feet long. We've got a Lowry church organ
46:28
from the 1950s. I think it's about the 50s,
46:30
maybe the 40s. We've got all of the roots
46:34
instruments hung up on the wall, you know, so guitars, basses,
46:37
dulcimers, ukuleles, things like that.
46:41
And then of course, we have other instruments, woodwinds and
46:44
so forth. So there's always a place where
46:46
we can go and we can easily grab an instrument and play it or sit
46:52
down to an instrument and play it.
46:54
And I, I would like to spend a little more time at the piano,
46:59
though I'm not good at it at all.
47:01
I, I can't say that I play the piano.
47:03
I just like to noodle on it. Last question of the day what is
47:09
a food you wish you liked but just can't This is an easy
47:13
question guys. Listen, I hate tomatoes I just
47:19
hate tomatoes and I you know for the longest time, every year on
47:25
my birthday, I would attempt to eat a tomato and it wasn't an
47:30
attempt at comedy. It ended up being funny, but it
47:35
was an attempt I had heard. Hey, you know your taste buds
47:38
change over time, so give yourself a year and then try it
47:43
again. I have never enjoyed eating a
47:47
tomato, not once in my life. And my my wife, my snuggly bear,
47:54
my sweetie pie, my one and only told me about five years ago.
47:58
You know, you can stop this. You don't have to eat tomatoes.
48:03
And but they're in everything. And I want to now.
48:06
I want to enjoy what other people cook.
48:09
And if it's got tomatoes in it, I just, I just can't.
48:12
Now, there are some things where if you add enough vinegar,
48:17
enough sugar, like ketchup, enough secret spices from, you
48:23
know, to make the world's perfect sauce, which is ketchup,
48:26
then yeah, I'm in salsa, as in like Mexican salsa that you dip
48:33
chips in. I can do if it's actual salsa,
48:36
if it's pico de Gallo, I can't do it.
48:38
It's got to be blended sauce. The word salsa, by the way,
48:41
guys, means sauce. So if you're making salsa and
48:46
it's chunky salsa, no S OK. It is not salsa.
48:52
I like it blended and with the Peppers and with onions.
48:55
It it does something that makes it so that I enjoy it, but not
48:59
if it's got chunks of tomato in there.
49:00
Then I get that taste. It's the worst.
49:03
Another one that I can't do is avocado.
49:07
I just cannot do avocado and I want to be able to the whole
49:11
avocado toast thing. I'm a California kid.
49:14
Do you know how trendy that was? Everybody eating their avocado
49:16
toast and they grow. Where I'm from, the avocado
49:20
trees are just. I mean, I'm serious.
49:23
I would love to experience an avocado, but it's just so slimy
49:28
and gross, man. I just.
49:30
I just can't. So that is my answer to that
49:35
question. Yeah.
49:38
So let's see what you guys are saying.
49:44
Let's see a Heinman says most states Massachusetts is
49:49
different. Dang it, I need to there we go
49:55
Massachusetts difference most state defense state again.
50:00
Massachusetts only goes once. Oh, OK, I've always thought it
50:04
was just defense state that's in in Pennsylvania.
50:07
It's defense than state. Every every trial I've ever seen
50:13
has been that way. But but you're probably right.
50:15
They're probably places where it does state defense state.
50:20
Jenny asks. Do we send three questions or
50:22
any amount up to three? You just send as many questions
50:24
as you want, Jenny. I just go through and do three
50:28
questions at a time. But if you got 10 questions, I
50:33
will take it. Mooney asking how was the band
50:36
concert? You know, because of inclement
50:38
weather here in the Western started the western part of the
50:42
Commonwealth of PA. It was postponed a couple of
50:46
weeks because it was just so bad.
50:49
A Heineman says I love you. Didn't say you wish you had more
50:53
time with your family. I know that you're a family
50:55
first man. So that means you're putting it.
50:57
Yeah. We spend a lot of time together.
50:59
Most of the time I'm like, I wish just Kimberly and I were
51:03
together and that was it. That's funny, Mooney says.
51:11
I only like the tomatoes I grow in my garden.
51:13
OK? Now listen, I I grew up in a
51:18
middle class family, but kind of teetering on the edge of poverty
51:21
from time to time, OK? My, my parents were gardeners
51:26
out of necessity, not out of enjoyment.
51:28
It was out of necessity. So I have had, I've been forced
51:32
to eat from my mom because my mom, my mother sainted as she
51:38
is, is the world's meanest mom. OK, now I maintained that the
51:47
meanest moms are the best moms. I mean Kimberly is.
51:51
She's just got a mean streak in her as wide as her shoulder
51:54
blades. Of course it's tongue in cheek,
51:57
but my mom would make me eat that stuff and I I could not do
52:03
it. Just Ducky says I'm with you on
52:05
the tomatoes 100%. I'm glad I'm not alone, Jenny
52:09
says. I do the same thing with
52:10
tomatoes. I hate them, but will eat red
52:12
sauce and ketchup. I still try them every few
52:14
years. Yeah.
52:17
Scotch Mom says I can't eat tomatoes.
52:19
I have GERD. All right, Well, now is the
52:23
segment where Gavin looks up. What is GERD?
52:28
GERD. Gastroesophageal reflux.
52:32
I got it. OK, man.
52:34
I'm sorry. Yeah.
52:35
So the acidity does you in there.
52:37
Scotch Mom. Sorry to hear that.
52:40
Yeah. No.
52:40
Pico de Gallo. No, no, hard, hard no.
52:45
Garth Bennett says love avocado toast.
52:48
Yeah, I, I, I wish I could. I just cannot.
52:53
Jenny says. All right, love it.
52:54
I will send some in. Yeah, send them in.
52:56
Send in your questions to three questions at gavinfish.com.
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53:08
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54:08
me just show you something here real quick.
54:10
Look at this photo. Kimberly pointed this out to me
54:13
today or last night maybe. Look at my face.
54:20
Look at, just look at the change in my face.
54:23
Goodness sake, I am down 56 ish pounds something like that from
54:33
August 28th was the day that I said I no longer like Fat Gavin.
54:38
Fat Gavin needs to go away. And I have been locked in been
54:45
I've been eating and it's been easy.
54:47
I've been eating nothing but real food.
54:50
That's it, real food. So if it's not, if I don't have
54:56
to cook it or if I don't have to have to prepare it, I'm out.
55:00
So lots of chicken, lots of lean beef, lots of lean pork, lots of
55:05
vegetables, lots of legumes, lentils, lots of lots of cheese,
55:14
stuff like that. And I am full all the time.
55:19
This is the key. I am full all the time, but I
55:23
have a real hard time because I am eating that such nutrient
55:29
rich and such protein mostly rich food and I'm not doing a
55:35
only protein diet. I've got lots of fats, lots of
55:37
carbs, lots of fiber. But, but I, I mean, I get so
55:46
much protein in a day that it's just very difficult to even come
55:51
close to 2000 calories in a day. It's, it's difficult.
55:57
So anyway, if, and the reason that I'm talking about this is
56:02
because I have a huge fear of public failure.
56:07
I, it, it shames me to no end. So talking to you all about it
56:12
makes me more inclined to keep at it.
56:17
So yeah, 3 1/2 months. Denise Falker says you look less
56:21
happy in pick #2. That is a great comment.
56:28
But anyway, we don't just talk true crime.
56:30
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