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[20/25] The Flight of the Garuda — Session 18 (Feb 2022) · Lama Lena Teachings

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  SPEAKER_01: Are it okay, guys?
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  SPEAKER_01: Double check.
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  SPEAKER_01: This has happened before.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll eventually trace it down and see who's doing it and get them out of business,
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: but that takes time, so definitely I do not ask you guys for money.
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  SPEAKER_01: Never do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Up on my website,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's a Donna Button that you're welcome to use if you want to and not
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: if you don't want to,
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: but I don't ask you guys for money, so if you get a Request for money from me?
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  SPEAKER_01: Nuh-uh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Taint me.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so be careful out there on the internet.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are in the information revolution.
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  SPEAKER_01: For those of you who have done the practice necessary to remember way back
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  SPEAKER_01: in past lives,
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  SPEAKER_01: You may remember more recently the Industrial Revolution and before then
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  SPEAKER_01: the Agricultural Revolution.
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  SPEAKER_01: We live in interesting times.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's always interesting times when the big changes are afoot.
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  SPEAKER_01: We do not yet know how to handle it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And right at the same time as the results of the industrial revolution,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is climate fucked up-edness,
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  SPEAKER_01: which leads to vast amounts of swirling immigration and people trying to go
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  SPEAKER_01: from place to place,
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  SPEAKER_01: both because governments tend to be a little bit nutty around
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  SPEAKER_01: the information around any revolution.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think we tried to outlaw
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  SPEAKER_01: Crops once.
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  SPEAKER_01: Didn't work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some tribes did.
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  SPEAKER_01: There were fights about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether things that grew where they wanted to grow in the forest or things that grew
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  SPEAKER_01: where people told them to grow were better.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was very divisive.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kinda like Republicans and Democrats nowadays.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like really divisive.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like if your friend ate wild-crafted foods,
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  SPEAKER_01: then you weren't their friend anymore if you were a crop person.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've been through this before.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure we will again, although I'm not sure what the next one is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Probably interstellar flight.
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  SPEAKER_01: When that happens, it'll be a big upheaval.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interstellar revolution.
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  SPEAKER_01: If we last that long.
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  SPEAKER_01: What I'm saying is this internet,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is incredibly useful,
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  SPEAKER_01: which brings you the Dharma teachings, brings you everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Salt it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even my teachings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Salt them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't take my word for this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to put in words, the wordless.
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  SPEAKER_01: The words aren't right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look where they point.
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  SPEAKER_01: But use your own common sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't just believe everything that comes over your internet,
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  SPEAKER_01: including me and things that say they're me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Was there anything else I needed on a practical level to talk about other than
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  SPEAKER_01: the scams that we think are going on right now?
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  SPEAKER_00: Not that I can think of.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: As always,
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  SPEAKER_01: we begin with a rising bodhicitta and taking refuge I like to do this in the form
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  SPEAKER_01: of guru yoga,
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  SPEAKER_01: which contains,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you understand it correctly,
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  SPEAKER_01: fully, on a number of levels, both bodhisitta and refuge.
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  SPEAKER_01: The beginning is the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: Full circle.
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  SPEAKER_01: There are no beginning teachings.
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  SPEAKER_01: They all pointed the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Purgyan Pema Junila Solva Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nurji Chang Chitila Narodang,
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  SPEAKER_01: Marpa Mila Gompatsatsapa, Na Pupadang Palden Rupa Suk, Kargyu Lama Namla Solva.
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  SPEAKER_01: Shakyah Lama Namla Sol Vah Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nyendu Danyundran Lama Namla Sol Vah Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hi, Ando.
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  SPEAKER_01: Would you be kind enough to go over to the laundry table and bring me a handkerchief?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Any handkerchief.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're all clean.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've had a cold.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm over it, but my nose is still running.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, I understand that we are on Chapter 18 or the end of 17.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let me just take a look.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a little bit of review on 17, but not much.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just because I'm struck by a phrase here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess it's pollen season.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trapped by the thought of desiring thoughtlessness.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is a teaching coming up called Working with Thought.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a way of breaking down the path of Zogchen into manageable bites.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not real.
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  SPEAKER_01: I break it down into this, that, and the other.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some people break it down into tawa, kompa, and sopa.
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  SPEAKER_01: The breakdown isn't real.
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  SPEAKER_01: The breakdown is something that teachers do to help you understand.
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  SPEAKER_01: They made that up, the breakdown, okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: The reality doesn't have parts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Zogchen.
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  SPEAKER_01: No parts.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we can talk about it and point at it as if it did have parts for your ease.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thoughts, you see, are incredibly uncomfortable.
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  SPEAKER_01: They hurt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or they make you happy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice sex fantasy?
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  SPEAKER_01: It makes you happy, at least for a little while, while you're having it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or a daydream about how you're going to redecorate the spare room
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  SPEAKER_01: that you're actually probably never going to get around to painting.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you have a plan.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's fun to think it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, how am I going to pay the rent?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh dear, oh dear.
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  SPEAKER_01: Worry, worry, worry, fret, fret, fret.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are the ones that hurt.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're awfully common.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or the ones that go with those, which are, I'm a terrible person.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm an idiot.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm horrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: I cannot, like, take care of myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing any of it right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why am I so terrible?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, oh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those two.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the,
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  SPEAKER_01: and he done me bad thoughts that go round and round and round about whoever it was
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  SPEAKER_01: that you last thought did you bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those hurt too.
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  SPEAKER_01: And those goddamn motherfucking Republicans,
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  SPEAKER_01: Democrats, MAGA folk, liberals, whoever you're laying it on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Goddamn white boys.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I get that one occasionally.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not very pleasant.
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  SPEAKER_01: However,
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  SPEAKER_01: the very beginning, the gateway into Dzogchen is not to stop thinking.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's Mahamudra techniques.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're wonderful, they work, but that's not this technique.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you do one or you do the other.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't do both until quite close to the end of both processes.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't start doing both.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't straddle that fence in the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't straddle it until it vanishes near the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is a Zogchen text.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're talking Zogchen method.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't try to stop thinking.
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  SPEAKER_01: What are thoughts
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  SPEAKER_01: arising in mind and dissolving in mind
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  SPEAKER_01: and never having been anything other than that exactly always as they are?
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  SPEAKER_01: Each and every one of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not like this one's true.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this one's false.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're all made of the same, not substance.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if they were made of substance,
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  SPEAKER_01: you'd be able to pick one up in your right hand and put it in your left hand
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  SPEAKER_01: and toss it up and down and hand it to a friend.
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  SPEAKER_01: Substance.
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  SPEAKER_01: Substance.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't have any of that, do they?
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  SPEAKER_01: Nor do they have duration.
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  SPEAKER_01: You won't notice this unless you actually look for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: You'll think that, oh,
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been thinking that damn thought about how I'm going to pay my rent for hours
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  SPEAKER_01: without resolving it.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, you haven't.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've been thinking billions of thoughts on that subject.
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  SPEAKER_01: But each single one of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Each little nam in nam talk.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you stop sticking them together, they're so infinitesimal.
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  SPEAKER_01: They do not even have duration.
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  SPEAKER_01: They do not take up space or last for time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't take my word for this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go look for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've got plenty of thoughts to examine, don't you?
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  SPEAKER_01: As they do not participate in the time-space continuum,
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  SPEAKER_00: what are they?
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  SPEAKER_01: To answer that in words would be to lie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go look for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: But don't try to get rid of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not trying to snuff ourselves out like a candle.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is a misunderstanding of the Theravadan teachings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not what was pointed at,
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  SPEAKER_01: but what could appear to have been pointed at,
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  SPEAKER_01: and what some schools seem to think was pointed at.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's my review of 17.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't trust the thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can't even set your coffee cup down on one of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you try, you're gonna have a right mess.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a glasses day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some days are, some days aren't.
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  SPEAKER_01: Next person who visits here,
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  SPEAKER_01: for whatever reason, remind me to let you put this text in proper order.
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  SPEAKER_01: All my pages are all over the place.
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  SPEAKER_01: Song 18 talks about what you trip over,
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  SPEAKER_01: the trips over it of Zogchen, and there's plenty of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: We sentient beings,
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  SPEAKER_01: all of us,
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  SPEAKER_01: are amazingly creative in creating
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  SPEAKER_01: things to get in the way of our practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because see, we don't really want to let go.
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  SPEAKER_01: We just want to be happier, bigger, more perfect in whatever we define perfect as.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not what you're going to get out of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Emma Ho, once more gather around and listen, my children.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is absurd to try to purify external objects which are in substantial appearance.
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  SPEAKER_01: The nature,
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  SPEAKER_01: the natural forms of emptiness,
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  SPEAKER_01: They are empty from the beginning like the reflection of the moon in water.
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  SPEAKER_01: All the stuff that you want to fix.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I really should put my laundry away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Stuff that you want to fix.
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  SPEAKER_01: Does it matter?
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  SPEAKER_01: I really should put in my laundry away for a week now.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll just fish in the pile if I need clothes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll get it done eventually.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most of the stuff you're fretting about is in the same category as that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Form and the compulsion we have to move the thing on the left to the right To move
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  SPEAKER_01: the thing on the right to the left.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sorting, ordering, dusting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Acquiring and giving away.
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  SPEAKER_01: All again and again, trying to get it perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let go.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's never going to be what you think perfect would be.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this continuous attempt to make it what you think perfect is supposed to be,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we've all got different ideas on that,
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  SPEAKER_01: those are thoughts,
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  SPEAKER_01: will completely interfere with you noticing the innate and natural perfection
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  SPEAKER_01: of all phenomena.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is absurd to apply forceful antidotes to thoughts and concepts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't try to get rid of your ego.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't thwap at it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I see people doing this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hell, I went, I did this for years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, God, my ego's in my way.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so proud.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so this, I'm so that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got to get rid of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bam, bam, bam.
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  SPEAKER_01: You keep thwapping at it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whack-a-mole.
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  SPEAKER_01: That won't work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Still there.
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  SPEAKER_01: You think when you have an experience of non-centralized self that you got somewhere
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  SPEAKER_01: and you're oh so very proud of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: In Zogchen,
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  SPEAKER_01: trying, in the level of intense striving,
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  SPEAKER_01: is a trips over it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Internal objects themselves, your thoughts and concepts, they vanish without a trace.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where's what you were thinking yesterday?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where's last week's thoughts?
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  SPEAKER_01: Bring them back.
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  SPEAKER_01: You believed in, oh, Santa Claus once, or God, or something that you no longer believe in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Easter Bunny?
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  SPEAKER_01: Tooth Fairy?
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  SPEAKER_01: Truly an intense belief system.
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  SPEAKER_01: What became of that?
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  SPEAKER_01: It is absurd to try to improve mind's manifestations with your renunciation,
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  SPEAKER_01: your practice of self-improvement or your hopes and fears.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look, we all got into Dharma because somewhere
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  SPEAKER_01: or other we noticed there was something wrong with ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we began practicing with the intent to fix that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Any of you fixed yet?
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  SPEAKER_01: After 40 years, 50 years of doing this, are you fixed?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not how it works.
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  SPEAKER_01: You see,
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  SPEAKER_01: what you think would be fixed, braver,
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  SPEAKER_01: more loving,
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  SPEAKER_01: however you define it from whatever TV character you identified with as a kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lone Ranger, anybody?
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  SPEAKER_01: I
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  SPEAKER_01: always used to want to ride off into the sunset,
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  SPEAKER_01: leaving all the girls behind.
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  SPEAKER_01: All those images of what you thought would be perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember what I said about thoughts in the very beginning?
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  SPEAKER_01: All the thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got some idea what Buddha is?
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  SPEAKER_01: Who Buddha was?
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  SPEAKER_01: All the Buddhas, whichever Buddha you like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Guru Rinpoche.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got some idea of, say, what you want to eat for lunch?
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  SPEAKER_01: Supper, next meal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there is no difference between the two.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, thoughts can create karma
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  SPEAKER_01: and will do so until you know what they are.
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  SPEAKER_01: They will fool you into taking action.
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  SPEAKER_01: The action and its motivation which is made of thoughts combined with
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  SPEAKER_01: the object you are acting upon creates the karma.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for as long as you take your thoughts seriously,
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  SPEAKER_01: they're going to proliferate by creating karma for more similar thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so on and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the answer is not to stop.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's to let go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let those thoughts flow freely without you grasping or attempting to grasp
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  SPEAKER_01: a single one or a single topic and reify it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Believe it's true.
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  SPEAKER_01: It ain't not true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Never was.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ain't gonna be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: The phenomena you think about your stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your self-improvement, your hopes, your fears.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Free from the very beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: Manifestation of primal awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dharmakaya, Sambhogakaya, Nirmanakaya.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chuku, Longku, Truku.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look at yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chuku, Longku, Truku.
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  SPEAKER_01: When mind looks at mind, following the thoughts home,
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  SPEAKER_01: Allowing the attention of awareness to expand into and as where
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  SPEAKER_01: the thoughts occur rather than what thought is occurring.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you think of a Buddha or you think of a persimmon, don't make no nevermind there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Same place, not place.
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  SPEAKER_01: Infinite.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without any conceptual border, for the thoughts arise within it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is bigger than that which arises
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  SPEAKER_00: within it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And since you can think infinity, it's bigger than infinity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bigger than having a center or an edge or any other characteristic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Notice, Dharmakaya, nature of your own mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: Infinite and open.
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  SPEAKER_01: Vast beyond fathoming.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yet, not a vacuum.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not a big,
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  SPEAKER_01: dark nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's alive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can you feel it?
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  SPEAKER_01: You, it is you and you,
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  SPEAKER_01: the feeler,
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  SPEAKER_01: those feelings, those thinkings, those perceivings are a artifact of that aliveness.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because as visual beings,
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  SPEAKER_01: we see by ambient light And that light,
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  SPEAKER_01: such as the ball of light between my two hands,
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  SPEAKER_01: is completely transparent, clear, transparent light.
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  SPEAKER_01: This clear light is a symbol.
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  SPEAKER_01: The light by which the seer sees
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  SPEAKER_01: The aliveness by which the awareness is aware.
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  SPEAKER_01: Clear light, we say, osel, transparent light, clear light.
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  SPEAKER_01: We say, shukurigpa oselin, dharmakaya awareness is clear light.
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  SPEAKER_01: Symbol, because all words are symbols.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sambhogakaya, vitality.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not the thoughts you're thinking,
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  SPEAKER_01: not the perceptions you're perceiving,
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  SPEAKER_01: not limited to the feelings you're feeling, but the ability to have those.
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  SPEAKER_01: The ability to notice Dharmakaya nature of mind is Sambhogakaya nature of mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: the clear light nature of Dharmakaya.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no separation between these two.
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  SPEAKER_01: The nature of the infinite open awareness is to be aware.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's alive.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: You're alive.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: You can tell it's alive because it feels, it thinks, It perceives.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, there you have Dharmakaya, Sambhogakaya, right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: You.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Nirmanakaya is simply the innate and automatic sequelae of that.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Since you can think, you will.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Since you can feel, you will.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: Since you can perceive, you will.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: They're not real, thoughts, feelings, and perceptions.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no solidity there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Any more than the cat you were petting in your dream last night
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  SPEAKER_01: that you've never seen before was real.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or the rock you sat on in your dream.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nothing is any more salad than that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You simply are perceiving it because of your karma.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sambhogakaya nature of mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: All this
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  SPEAKER_01: in no way separate from the vitality experiencing it in and as
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  SPEAKER_01: the infinite open empty awareness.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: This is the three jewels.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is refuge.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the realization innate knowing natural resting of all Buddhas of the four times.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is guru yoga.
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  SPEAKER_01: All Buddhas of the four times are arise from and as and
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  SPEAKER_01: Is all sentient beings of the three realms.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is Bodhicitta.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you lose track of this
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  SPEAKER_01: and attempt to reify or make real Some aspect
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  SPEAKER_01: of what you have creatively created in your inner,
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: outer, surrounding thoughts, feelings, stuff, perceptions, reality.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's a trips on it.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: When you grab onto something and try to keep it or shove it away.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do not dress up this total presence,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is naked clarity in itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the clothes of elaborate intellectual analysis,
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  SPEAKER_01: rather rest in relaxation in that magnificent sameness without partiality.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let it be as it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Stay free and easy without a care in the world,
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  SPEAKER_01: in the place where there is no residue to perception.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you don't grab something, it leaves no residue.
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  SPEAKER_01: We say trackless like the path of a bird across the sky.
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  SPEAKER_01: You'll find no footprints there.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: I was reading a text yesterday where several people seemed to be arguing
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  SPEAKER_01: About different ways of expressing this in Madhyamika, Mahamudra, and Dzogchen.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't, I mean,
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: they were using different words, but they weren't talking about anything different.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Scholarliness is fun.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, but please don't take it seriously.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I read all sorts of texts.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're fun.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Their words are not real.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where they point is what matters.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: And every single teacher uses different words.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Some quote each other.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, but then they say it differently.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's the beauty of all these texts, why you would want to read them.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Think, what was I reading?
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody's scholarly article on the 21 Nails.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: I only read a little bit of it.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: It was too much about the arguments about this and that, and I couldn't get into it.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: No matter what thoughts arise in that space.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pay attention to this.
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  SPEAKER_01: No matter what thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's your key.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Persimmons.
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  SPEAKER_01: Buddhas, shoes, flower pots, cup of coffee.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: You're a lover.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: You wish you had a lover.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: You're lonely.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Thoughts and feelings all intertwine together.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's a car alarm going on outside and you wish it would shut up.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: And perceptions, all that whole bilbla, entanglement.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Bilbla, it's a lovely Tibetan word.
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  SPEAKER_01: No matter what thoughts arise in that space,
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  SPEAKER_01: know them to be the natural radiance of impartial
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  SPEAKER_01: and spontaneously existent total presence,
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  SPEAKER_01: what we call symbolically transparent light.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: Then we are able to let go of the mental residue of perception.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to say that again.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: No matter what you're thinking, know what they are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Play of the Dharmakaya, dance of the sparkle of the clear light.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't grab.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: Don't see them as anything other than that, as if they had a reality.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how you don't create the residue.
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  SPEAKER_01: The residue isn't real.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's no more real than the thought.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: But you create the sensation of there being residue,
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  SPEAKER_01: of the thoughts leaving tracks, of making karmic imprints.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Of the whole bilblah doing that, the thoughts, the feelings, the perceptions.
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  SPEAKER_01: You create that sensation by grabbing on to some of them and rejecting others.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is renunciation.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is the real meaning of renunciation.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't mean don't have a shot of scotch.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: I would be hard pressed for that.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: I love scotch.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Especially the Isles of Isley stuff, the really smoky peaty stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Point I'm making here.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're grabbing and making one thing real and another unreal, one thing good and another bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're taking it seriously.
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  SPEAKER_01: Abandoning the manifestations of mind to vast,
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  SPEAKER_01: all-embracing space as the play of elusive,
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  SPEAKER_01: effervescent,
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  SPEAKER_01: shimmering reality, we immediately reach the peak of Kuntuzangpo's dynamic mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of this dance Which is only a bilblah, an entanglement if you yank at it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It has not enough solidity to entangle if you do not grab and shove.
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  SPEAKER_01: Renunciation, what you're renouncing is not the objects of your pleasures.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the grabbing and the shoving of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Taking them as real or unreal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Putting a big trip around
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  SPEAKER_01: them of goods and bads and desires and aversions
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  SPEAKER_01: and this is and that's.
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  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't mean you have to like everything.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: I remember my own teacher's encounter with a root beer float.
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  SPEAKER_01: He had to go brush his teeth.
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  SPEAKER_01: To get that taste out of his mouth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Takes all kinds.
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  SPEAKER_01: Taste is personal.
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  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't mean you don't experience pain and pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when the root beer float was no longer present in his mouth, it was gone.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: I remember the occurrence, but I doubt he did.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Why bother?
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  SPEAKER_01: Unless he wanted to use it in a teaching somewhere and then it would re-arise.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Memory's funny that way.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: If you really need to remember something, write it down.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: Do a list.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: Say you've got a casserole in the oven and you need to take it out in 90 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Set a timer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Write it down.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't bother your mind by having to remember everything.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's easier as you begin this process of letting go to let a piece of paper hold on
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  SPEAKER_01: to the things that for practical common sense reasons like not burning
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  SPEAKER_01: the supper you need to remember is going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: That way you are free to not grab anything and not shove anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Renunciation is your practice.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Don't renounce the object, renounce the grabbing at the object.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: Look, good coffee.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Done.
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  SPEAKER_01: No matter what thoughts arise in that space,
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  SPEAKER_01: the space of the three jewels, the space of your own mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: A space.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Big mind, not little mind, which is personality.
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  SPEAKER_01: No matter what thoughts arise in that space,
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  SPEAKER_01: know them to be the natural radiance of impartial and spontaneously existence.
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  SPEAKER_01: Total presence.
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  SPEAKER_01: This total presence.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Rigbat.
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  SPEAKER_01: The seer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your Rigpa, your awareness.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't begin with your first memory.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't begin when you exited the womb.
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  SPEAKER_01: It didn't begin when you entered the room.
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  SPEAKER_01: It didn't begin when you left your previous life into the Bardo
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  SPEAKER_01: and played around there for a while.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: If you trace it back life upon life, you will find two very interesting things.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: One, there's no beginning.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Two, there's no separation.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this life, you're not an individual.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're an ecology.
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  SPEAKER_01: You and your biome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thinking, feeling, perceiving all together.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you die, some of you will reincarnate all together.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Some of you will reincarnate elsewhere of the many itty bitty beings living
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  SPEAKER_01: in this body that make up you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Constantly interacting with life upon life for life upon life.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing that one is as a personality is entirely one's own.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: In all the time of beginningless time, Awareness has been aware and you are that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Experiencing
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: yourself as a node, a lump, a set of perceptions, life upon life.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: When you recognize the thoughts you're thinking while you're thinking them as
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  SPEAKER_01: the natural radiance of total presence,
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: then you can let go of the residue of perception.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: Not letting go of perception,
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: letting go of the residue,
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  SPEAKER_01: the continuum, the bird tracks in the sky that you're making up.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: Abandoning the manifestations of mind to vast,
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: all-embracing space as the play of elusive,
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  SPEAKER_01: effervescent,
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  SPEAKER_01: shimmering reality,
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  SPEAKER_01: Nirmana Kaya,
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  SPEAKER_01: the shimmer of the clear light,
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  SPEAKER_01: the sparkle of the clear light,
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  SPEAKER_00: the way the clear light manifests
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  SPEAKER_01: in life as experience.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: We immediately reach the plenum of Kunuzangpo's dynamic mind.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Dynamic.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Note this.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: The foregoing is called the universal self-liberating yoga of
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: the naturally accomplished and originally liberated great perfection.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: You don't accomplish this.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: You notice this.
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  SPEAKER_01: It has always been like this.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to make it like this for yourself.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: The idea is to notice the always has been.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Pause for questions here because it's going to shift a little bit the text.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see what we have
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: here.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: Is, for example,
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: The cup of coffee insubstantial,
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: our perception of it insubstantial,
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: both are insubstantial, is our perception of it nirmonicaia?
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: Our perception of it, which is all we have.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: The only way we know a cup of coffee is we see it, feel it, taste it, and smell it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is insubstantial.
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  SPEAKER_01: Feelings, sense organ stimulus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nirmanakaya is the reality,
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  SPEAKER_01: but when we perceive a cup of coffee,
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  SPEAKER_01: we don't perceive the simple cup of coffee as it is.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: We perceive the connotations Of this cup of coffee all interwoven with all
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: the coffees we've experienced in the past.
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  SPEAKER_01: With who gave me this mug.
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  SPEAKER_01: With Nyando who made this cup of coffee for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of that I weave in.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: And instead of experiencing this just as it is,
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: I experience it the way I think it is
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  SPEAKER_01: and feel it to be,
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: which is what makes me like it so much.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: We cannot say
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: whether the cup of coffee itself has substantiality or not.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: To look into that I would recommend you look at particle physics and the makeup
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: of matter down onto the quantum levels even to get an answer as to whether
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: the matter has substance.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: Quantum mechanics are fun.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: Go play with that for the answer to that.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: I believe you will find Nothing in there as far as substance goes.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I cannot,
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: not being a master of quantum mechanics,
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: really show that to you clearly, so you're going to have to read up on it yourself.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: Do you even believe in gluons?
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: How about Klingons?
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: But our perception of this Is entirely made up, according to our karma.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: You see, you have sensations in your six sense organs.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sixth one's the ye, the sensation of brain chemicals.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: I believe you're familiar with.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah!
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: If I manage to startle you,
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: you will now have a few brain chemicals and you'll feel them down here.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: They'll be like a butterfly-ish feeling of flicker.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: Down in your solar plexus.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: So that's your Yi sixth sense organ.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: So what happens is your sense organs are having sensations.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: You interpret those sensations as objects.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: You do that interpretation by your experience
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: Once you have interpreted something as an object,
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: such as a flower or a cup of coffee,
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: you then have feelings about that interpretation.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: Not about the sensation of silver color in my eyeballs, of certain weight in my hand.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's not what I'm having feelings about.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm having feelings about the fact that I think it's a cup of coffee and I want my coffee.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: Does this answer your question?
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: One of our Spanish speakers asks,
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is this weaving experience with its interpretation a, quote, glitch, end of quote?
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: Is it not part of the playfulness?
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: It is part of the playfulness.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: It only becomes a glitch when we believe it to be real rather than seeing it for what it is.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: The glitch is the grabbing of it, not it itself.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: In letting go of the clarity of Sheenae without an object,
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: which I mistook for Treksha,
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: I find myself continuously muddled in a mire of thoughts.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: Help?
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: Gone.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: Cat.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your shiné without an object,
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  SPEAKER_01: which you apparently have accomplished,
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: while thinking,
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  SPEAKER_01: you need to learn to do shiné without an object while allowing the thoughts to arise
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: and vanish at the same time because they are not objects unless you grab them.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: So instead of allowing yourself to not like those thoughts,
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: mire into those thoughts,
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_01: think somewhere that you're not supposed to have those thoughts,
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: that was a thought too,
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_01: and go around in that swirl,
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: what you do is you sit in the mornings,
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: you enter into Sine without an object for a while.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then you permit,
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: after you've done that for a while,
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: you get up or you change position,
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: you allow thoughts to arise while looking through them
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  SPEAKER_01: because thoughts are transparent.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: You do know that, don't you?
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: Prove it.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: Visualize a pumpkin right here.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: Big old nice winter squash pumpkin.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of make a great curry for a lot of people.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm holding it in my hands.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: Can you imagine it?
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: I want you to imagine that with your thoughts.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: Visualize that pumpkin as solid and as firmly as you can.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: Pumpkin.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: You saw me making faces at you, didn't you?
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right through the pumpkin.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: You see, you made the pumpkin out of thoughts, and they're transparent.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: So your sine without an object,
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: find it right behind the thoughts
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: and look through the thoughts at Shiné without
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: an object.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: This will lead your practice of Shiné without an object to mature into Lacton,
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  SPEAKER_01: direct seeing, which is your next stage.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: I am presuming that you have done the stage in Mahamudra in Shiné without an object.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where you are very clear what is,
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: shiné without an object, stillness, and what is thinking.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that you have no confusion about the thought of stillness being thinking.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm presuming you completed this and are ready for Lactong.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: You need to look through the thoughts frequently enough to utterly convince your baby mind.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: What should I call that?
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: To utterly convince your personality so that it changes to be someone who is sure
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  SPEAKER_01: of this from someone who is not sure of this,
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  SPEAKER_01: that all those thoughts are transparent.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking Mahamudra now.
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  SPEAKER_01: The way you do that is by noticing their transparency repeatedly until such time
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  SPEAKER_01: as you cannot not notice it.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: Just like these days, you cannot not read a street sign in your own language.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: So as you go about,
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: next time you see the written word somewhere, try to look at it without reading it.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: You automatically see it and read it.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: You have to get it so that you automatically think a thought and see through it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you're without an object, that lack of object,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's right behind the thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's where the thoughts be happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: So sine and thinking,
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  SPEAKER_01: You maintain your sine on the not object while the thoughts transparently arise and vanish.
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  SPEAKER_01: First, you do it on the cushion.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: Later, you will get up and make a cup of tea and sit back down while doing it.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_01: Later,
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  SPEAKER_01: you will come to a point in Lactong Where there is no separation between session
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  SPEAKER_01: and session break.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: At which point, I have another instruction for you, but to give it to you now would be too soon.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: One more question and I'm back to the text.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_00: We had someone ask about what is, I hope I'm pronouncing this correctly, Swabhavikaya.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: Swabhavikaya.
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  SPEAKER_01: Svabhavakaya.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't pronounce it well either.
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  SPEAKER_01: Also known as dharmata or chini.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: Chini is easier to say.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chini.
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  SPEAKER_01: Big essence of dharma.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is dharmakaya, infinite open awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sambhogakaya, the innate vitality, the clear light nature that pervades that that is of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nurmanakaya, the sparkle of that clear light nature, the arisings when not grasped or distorted.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are not three separate things.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are one thing looked at from three different sides.
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  SPEAKER_01: The looker looks at itself from left, right, above, below, but it's all one looker looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that is called Svabavakaya.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are, when not interfering with it by your hopes and fears, Svabavakaya.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, text for a bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Although we do not move, we arrive at the Buddha's state.
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  SPEAKER_01: Although we do not achieve, we are enlightened.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nothing happens.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything happens.
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  SPEAKER_01: Although we do not practice, the goal is spontaneously accomplished.
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  SPEAKER_01: One practices.
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  SPEAKER_01: For as long as there is a practice practitioner, practice said,
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  SPEAKER_01: Then that flow occurs.
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  SPEAKER_01: For as long as you are, practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even when you think, watch out for that, it's a thought, that you aren't.
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  SPEAKER_01: Practice.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't believe that thought either.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: Tricky.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_01: Although we do not abandon emotional defilements, they are purified as they stand.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't mean gone away.
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  SPEAKER_01: That means non-sticky.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not requiring action or behavior.
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  SPEAKER_01: Arising simply as sensations of the Yi.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without any more reality than that.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: Thus our mind is the same as the dynamic minds of the great llamas,
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  SPEAKER_01: and following in their footsteps, karma is exhausted.
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  SPEAKER_01: Karma.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: For a sentient being to experience karma,
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: they need to be
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  SPEAKER_01: Embroiled in it.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: They need to think they are,
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  SPEAKER_01: as in I am, you are, to be.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: There is karma.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: It is not that an enlightened being does not experience karma.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is that karma experiences karma.
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  SPEAKER_01: For as long as your path exists,
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: Do pay close attention to karma.
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  SPEAKER_01: You should understand the enormous significance of this,
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  SPEAKER_01: my sons and daughters, by the generosity of the old man Chuky Gyelpo.
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  SPEAKER_01: I, Togdru Grangdru,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's the author of this,
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  SPEAKER_01: attain the spontaneously originated dynamic mind of vagrant non-action.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_01: Not doing, which we're talking about here, cannot be done.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trust me on that.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot accomplish it.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_01: And any attempt will block it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not doing has to arise spontaneously.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_01: Once you know what it feels like,
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_01: you can not block it when it happens.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: And there are many Ruxian tricks.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: To creating the cause for the happy accident of non-doing
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  SPEAKER_01: needs to be done in retreat.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: So that's outside of the scope of this teaching.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: Don't try to not do.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_01: You can't.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're just gonna make a tangle.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: And if you think you're not doing,
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  SPEAKER_01: It happens sometimes when you're not looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: But
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: the moment you notice it and think about it,
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_01: oops, especially if you grab that thought.
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  SPEAKER_01: You should understand the enormous significance of this, my sons and daughters.
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  SPEAKER_01: By the generosity of the wise old man, I,
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  SPEAKER_01: Tsukirangdrol,
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  SPEAKER_01: attained the spontaneously originated dynamic mind of vagrant non-action.
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  SPEAKER_01: This non-action may be crucial.
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  SPEAKER_01: But is not understood by many.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is already done, but they say I must work hard.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_01: Everything has been liberated from the beginning, but they say I want to be free.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is at rest from the beginning, but they seek peace of mind.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_01: The mind is in meditation from the beginning, but they say I must meditate.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_01: This vision exists from the beginning, but they say I must see it.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: The goal is attained from the first, but they say I must reach it.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_00: There's a dichotomy here.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_01: For as long as there is a path, walk.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_00: The path.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: For as long as there is fruition,
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  SPEAKER_01: rest in fruition.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: When there is neither path nor fruition, be free.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_01: But don't fake it.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it, guys.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_01: Don't fake it to yourself.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: Don't grab the next nyam, the next signpost of doing a lot of practice, and pretend it's this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Long ago,
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_01: I said to you,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I'm going to say it again,
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_01: if you think you're enlightened, you're having an oops.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_01: If you think you're not enlightened,
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_01: You're having the same oops.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: You're believing your frigging thought.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let go.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_01: People who trust in an analytical view are learned,
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_01: but they know only the taste of dead words and divisive concepts.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: They claim understanding, but it is an idle boast.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: They meditate, but their meditation consists of mental structures.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_01: They examine the mind, but cling to duality.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_01: They are successful, but it is all samsara.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_01: Scholars.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: And we've got a number of wonderful Western scholars.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: And oh, thank you.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: We need them.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_01: They're great bodhisattvas translating lots of texts that are fun to read.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: And they're giving up their own practice time to do that.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: So thank the scholars for their efforts and for their translations and publishing
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: and all of this.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: It is a fine bodhisattvic action.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: And for those of you who have the scholarly bent, whose personality enjoys that,
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_01: It would be a kindness to all sentient beings to pursue that route and
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: to give up your hope for enlightenment in this life and instead,
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: for the sake of all sentient beings, translate and explain texts.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's up to you.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_01: But it is a valid path and I'll not put down a scholar.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate reading their work way too much to put down one of them.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Self-sacrifice of a bodhisattva I'll call scholarliness.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because it does distract you from the path of a yogi.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: But we are all so different from each other.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: We need to follow the path that suits us in the amalgam
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_01: ecology
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: that makes up our personality this time.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_01: And if that personality loves the sensation of perusing details and thoughts
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_01: and thinking and arguing and having fun with all of that, oh, go that way.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: We need more scholars.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was too selfish to choose to be a scholar.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll not put them down.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_01: I deeply appreciate their work.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_01: All of you translators who publish Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of you who are
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_01: considering becoming translators who publish,
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_00: thank you.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_01: It is certain that the intellectual With an analytical view
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_01: of reality has no connection with the heart essence of the great perfection.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_01: The Zogchen Ninti, Heart Drops of Zogchen.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's also a set of texts, which
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_00: many scholars work on.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_01: No specific activity is necessary for action does not lead to the exhaustion of karmic activity.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_01: It is beyond reckoning in terms of action and inaction, even though this is true.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_01: Without a doubt this is true.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_01: Nonetheless,
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_01: if you would like your story
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_01: to be this way or that way,
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_01: full of strange adventures, Or peaceful, safe, and secure.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Create the karma to have your story that way and walk the path within the results of it.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_01: There is no reason not to have fun with this while you're at it.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_01: So offer, give what you want.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Protect from what you don't want.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_01: To those who also want that and seek protection from that,
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_01: do not ever attempt to cross a sentient being's own desires.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: You can give the beggar a buck, but you can't tell him what to do with it.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Our constant approval, disapproval of everything around us is a trap.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Don't fall in it.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_01: In the non-meditation beyond meditation, meditation is a trips over it.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Beyond vision where there is nothing to see upon what can you focus.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Beyond seeking where there is no seeking and no seeker.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_01: There is no finding or finder.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Total presence is direct recognition of the here and now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right here.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this very single point of the time-space continuum.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_01: And in this one.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_01: And in this one.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_01: The dance of phenomena.
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  SPEAKER_01: In emptiness as emptiness.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Arises as the play of the Dharmakaya.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you are in no way other than this.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are not more than this.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are not less than this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just as it is in this very single point,
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  SPEAKER_01: and every other single point as well,
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_01: in the fullness of the time-space continuum,
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_01: sometimes referred to as the fourth time,
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_01: which is not other than right here and right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: As well as right then and right there.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_01: All beings
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  SPEAKER_01: of the three realms arise as a manifestation of manifesting
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  SPEAKER_01: as all Buddhas of the
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_00: three times.
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  SPEAKER_01: And here in the fourth time,
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  SPEAKER_01: it is complete,
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  SPEAKER_01: and there is no was and will be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Relax
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  SPEAKER_01: as this, born of this, unborn,
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  SPEAKER_01: Without beginning or end, arising or ceasing.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_01: The isness has no words.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_01: The fingers point using words from here and here.
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  SPEAKER_01: All round about.
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  SPEAKER_01: You,
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  SPEAKER_01: little you and big you
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  SPEAKER_01: are not separate things.
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  SPEAKER_01: The dance of your personality
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  SPEAKER_01: within time and space is nothing separate from or other than
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_01: The all-pervading Buddha consciousness of the fourth time,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is here and now, and then and there,
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  SPEAKER_01: without differentiation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from this awareness there can be no goal.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_01: And yet the dance within time of path and fruition Being separated within time,
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_01: although in no way separate here, occurs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Permit the dance to fluidly flow as it will.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when in doubt,
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  SPEAKER_00: offer Gela.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just this.
• 1:21:11
  SPEAKER_01: How ridiculous that someone should have this explained and not listen.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Such a person has not the connection with Zogchen.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_01: When you observe something that is arising in a dynamic mind of immense space,
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_01: utterly pure from the beginning, then there is no duality of samsara and nirvana.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Piece of paper.
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  SPEAKER_01: Writing on one side, blank on the other.
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  SPEAKER_01: Symbol.
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  SPEAKER_01: Samsara.
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  SPEAKER_01: Happenings, occurrences, time, space.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nirvana.
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  SPEAKER_01: No happenings, no occurrences, no time, no space.
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  SPEAKER_01: Same piece of paper.
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  SPEAKER_01: To have taken this mind as the subject of my song will indubitably please
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_01: the voracious Buddhas of past, present, and future.
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  SPEAKER_01: Questions?
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_00: So is the practice and the result letting go of mental residue of any thought,
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_00: feeling and perception, seeing them for what they are?
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_01: You could phrase it like that.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Those are words.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_01: The practice is a continuous letting go because we do grab on.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Allowing phenomena both inner and outer to slip smoothly through our grasp
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_01: without tightening down on anything.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_01: This is the practice.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Its automaticity is part of the fruition and yet the dance of practice and fruition
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_01: is simply a difference of perspective and all perspectives remain equally valid
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_01: and unvalid here.
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that helped.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say yes the way you mean it, do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_00: How do I relate this from Changchuk Dorji's teaching on,
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_00: quote, if you see color or form, you stray from meditation, end of quote.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not what he said, actually.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Where he said,
• 1:24:17
  SPEAKER_01: where Garib Dorji says,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you see color and form, you've strayed from Rigpa's presence.
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  SPEAKER_01: What he means is not talking about your perceptions.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_01: If you are looking for nature of mind and you find that your mind is blue or round
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_01: or extends about as far as your arms do,
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_01: these are all answers I've had from students when they first look for their mind.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's the strain he's referring to, not Perception in day-to-day life.
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_01: But rather you're interpreting natural mind, perceiving natural mind to have color or form.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Do you understand the difference here?
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_00: How can the objects of awareness act as bridges to natural awareness itself?
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Your objects of awareness is whatever you're aware of.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Be aware of the instructions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Keep your altar.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Notice Buddhas.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Notice and rejoice in Gawa whenever you see it in all these ways.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Send me that question again.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think I may have missed something in the wording.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_00: How can the objects of awareness act as bridges to natural awareness itself?
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to remember the text that that is a quote from.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_01: To answer that,
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_01: I need to see the text and the context that that's coming from because that is
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_01: in one of the texts.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't remember offhand which one.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_01: If you know, would you type it in here?
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_01: If anybody knows,
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_01: type in like the paragraph on that and I will be able to answer better in
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_01: the context of what you already know.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_01: There is something in the meaning of that that I need the rest of the text in front
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_01: of me to see where they're going with it.
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a quote from a text, that particular bit, because I've read it.
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't remember where I've read it.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Give me another question while they're looking for the text.
• 1:27:14
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the other questions are more general rather than related to this chapter.
• 1:27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one person asking,
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  SPEAKER_00: how do I deal with all the aches and pains I suffer regularly due to
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  SPEAKER_00: the backbreaking manual labor I have to do to make a living?
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  SPEAKER_01: Stretch.
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  SPEAKER_01: Watch your posture as you lift.
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  SPEAKER_01: What are you working?
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  SPEAKER_01: Amazon warehouse?
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  SPEAKER_01: Change jobs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Working at labor, ditch digging and all of these things is not bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: It can actually be good exercise, but you have to watch your form as you're doing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some places will push you too fast to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go find some other place that allows you to watch your form as you do these things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because not injuring yourself is important.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know exactly what you're doing,
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  SPEAKER_01: although it does sound like Amazon Warehouse,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is like that, and which a lot of people work for.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's too fast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go find another warehouse to work for, even if it's a little less money.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is going to cost you more in chiropractic treatments than the difference would be.
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  SPEAKER_01: How to deal with the aches and pains,
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  SPEAKER_01: liniment,
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  SPEAKER_01: hot tub soaks,
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  SPEAKER_01: stretches, and watch your form and posture while doing backbreaking labor.
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  SPEAKER_01: Labor should not break your back.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is not natural for human beings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Watch out for the repetitive stress disorders on the back or otherwise.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if what you are doing harms your body,
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  SPEAKER_01: not just is achy the next day because it's new, then please shift.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can always find more money, but you're not getting another body anytime soon.
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  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just a follow-up to the objects and awareness.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: The same person said, I'm sure I've read it in a text, but I was speaking more from experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's something to do with not pushing or pulling the object while still being
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  SPEAKER_00: in relationship with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, the short answer is not doing,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I can't tell you how to do that because you can't do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you interact with an object in not doing,
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  SPEAKER_01: Then you and the object are in mutual flow and things occur.
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  SPEAKER_01: The thing is I can't tell you how to do that because it's not doing and you can't do not doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: The best way I know within doing to work with objects is to use them
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  SPEAKER_01: to create Gewa whenever possible.
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  SPEAKER_01: And someday we'll find that text
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  SPEAKER_01: and see exactly what they were pointing at there
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  SPEAKER_01: because I can't remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: And apparently you can't either.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we both know we read it somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: So next time we read it, we'll make a point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll run upon it as I go through texts, but I don't have the answer to that in that connection.
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  SPEAKER_01: How I use objects is to whenever possible create Gawa,
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  SPEAKER_01: figuring that that's just going to slide it in the right direction towards
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  SPEAKER_01: the happy accident.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because as long as you're not grabbing the Gawa,
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  SPEAKER_01: but offering it out,
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  SPEAKER_01: it will Bridge you towards the happy accident of not doing, which is enlightenment.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am starting to lose energy here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Guys, I'm getting over a cold.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there is going to be some element of me not going on as long as usual.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do we have anything more that looks really good as a question?
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  SPEAKER_00: Just a moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me look through here.
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  SPEAKER_00: What does the text mean by voracious buddhas?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where?
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  SPEAKER_01: Which paragraph?
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  SPEAKER_01: Quote me that paragraph and I'll tell you, but that's out of context and I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I
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  SPEAKER_01: don't have a memory of that phrase here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Try a different one and they'll come back with where that says that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a more general question about asking
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  SPEAKER_00: Since you were sick,
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  SPEAKER_00: you didn't go to India, but people are asking how things are there right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a lot of Omicron.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's got colds.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all over the place, and India has shut its borders.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I can't get to India until they open up again.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're just waiting and watching.
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  SPEAKER_01: A friend of mine got in on the 7th while I was in Mexico getting my teeth fixed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Prior to heading for India, and they closed down on the 14th.
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  SPEAKER_01: Karma.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess I didn't have the karma to get there this time.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, there it went.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm still hoarse and coughing a little bit from this cold, whatever it was.
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  SPEAKER_01: I tested negative, so I'm calling it a cold.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to
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  SPEAKER_01: end now,
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  SPEAKER_01: even though we're a little bit early,
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  SPEAKER_01: about 20 minutes before the two hours,
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  SPEAKER_01: because I'm starting to feel this in my throat and need to go take a lozenge.
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  SPEAKER_01: I apologize.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll run longer next time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did we get an answer back to that question I asked
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  SPEAKER_00: for context before I close?
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me check.
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  SPEAKER_01: The voracious Buddhas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't remember that quote, so...
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hang on a moment.
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  Let's see.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, there's not a follow-up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, perhaps they will come up with it next time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, next time is also Q&A next Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, yes, but that's specific to this text.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: In about a month, we're on this again.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you find the voracious Buddhas for me and tell me page number and paragraph,
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  SPEAKER_01: I will address that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I don't remember voracious Buddhas.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I got to see where that is and to see what on earth they meant by that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, someone may have misheard it as victorious Buddhas.
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  SPEAKER_00: I may have slurred.
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  SPEAKER_00: I may have slurred myself slightly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if English isn't your first language and I'm slurring things because I'm
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  SPEAKER_01: a little bit hoarse today, it's easy to mishear that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Victorious Buddhas is a normal phrase.
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  SPEAKER_01: Buddhas are victorious over samsara.
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  SPEAKER_01: Buddhas are victorious over their own glitches.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which never were.
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  SPEAKER_00: And never will be.
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  SPEAKER_01: The glitches, I mean.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nge-wandi-nyor-du-da.
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  SPEAKER_01: Che-che-sa-la.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go, Pa, Shoo.
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  SPEAKER_01: May all beings be complete.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll see you next time.