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Ep. 103: Lessons: Embrace the Suck, Don't Squeeze the F'ing Cat, and Eat Plants with Molly Patrick of Clean Food Dirty Girl · Age Like a Badass Mother

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  Hi friends, I love this episode.
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  We are talking to Molly Patrick of Clean Food Dirty Girl.
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  You probably know her from her funny potty mouth and her delicious meal plans, but you might not know a ton about her life philosophies like allowing and letting and don't squeeze the effing cat.
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  I'll let her explain that one.
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  Find out how she modified her desk to help her age well, and it's not the usual standing desk situation.
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  To download my free cookbook.
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  Okay.
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  Now here's Molly Patrick.
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  ex-booser, ex-smoker, potty-mouthed Molly Patrick loves to help people eat more plants while embracing human imperfection.
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  Amen, sister.
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  She is the CEO and co-founder of Clean Food, Dirty Girl and a certified life coach.
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  You can connect with Molly and her team through cleanfooddirtygirl.com where you'll find her podcast, her blog, Saturday love letters from Molly, her non-judgy Facebook group, and her Drop It Weight Loss Club, please welcome Molly Patrick.
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  Hi, Molly.
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  Yes, Lauren, thank you.
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  It's all true.
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  What you said is all true.
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  So, well, we're going to get to all the good stuff in a second, but I think I'd be remiss if I didn't start with your um just not non-conventional childhood, right?
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  I mean, that's, think, what makes you so spectacular.
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  Can you like tell a little bit about your upbringing?
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  Yeah, so I guess it was really non-conventional.
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  I really didn't realize it at the time, because it's just kind of what I knew.
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  my parents, like people have to understand my parents were really hippie kind of people.
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  And during the mid to late 70s, they really dropped out of...
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  the conventional kind of life that was happening for people their age at that time.
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  And they both, I mean before they met, they both wanted things that were very different from what their parents wanted from them or what society was, you know, grooming them to be.
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  And my mom had three kids.
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  And she said, and she was in a like literally white picket fence and she was a stay at home mom.
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  And she was like, if I don't change something, I'm going to die.
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  Like I can't, like I need to be in the mountains.
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  I need to be free.
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  And so she moved to the mountains of Colorado with her three kids.
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  And um then my dad who was drafted for the, in the Vietnam war.
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  And when he returned from the war, my grandpa wanted to give him the family business.
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  It was like a title company and my dad was like I can't I need to be in the mountains I need to be free so he moved to Colorado and they just by chance met because my dad was looking was looking to rent an apartment in the same building where my mom was and he knocked on the wrong door and My mom was just getting out of the shower.
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  She put a towel around her she put a towel in her hair and she like opened the door and when she opened the door, they just stared at each other.
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  And they just didn't say anything.
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  And they were like, hello.
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  And my mom said, do you want to come in?
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  And he's like, yeah.
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  And she's like, do you want a cup of coffee?
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  And he was like, yeah.
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  My dad didn't even drink coffee.
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  But he went in and they sat down and they just sort of like stared at each other, drinking their coffee and just like this magic was happening around them.
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  Yeah.
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  this.
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  So it's um quite the love story.
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  fell madly in love.
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  He moved in very quickly after that.
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  He was the dad to my three siblings that were around before I was.
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  And they're still together.
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  And they're still in love.
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  And they're still so sweet together.
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  so it's a great love story.
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  But from there, they...
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  um They hitchhiked around, like with all the kids and then they had friends who had kids and so was like a big kind of hippie kind of thing going on.
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  um They spent some time in Mexico, they traveled around the Southwest and then they finally landed in this little obscure town in Southwestern New Mexico called Silver City and they kind of laid down their roots.
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  They bought five acres of land and they proceeded to build their house, the two of them, like really building their house.
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  from from scratch and they learned this method for house building called um using adobe bricks and so you make the adobe bricks with mud and straw and it's a really it's a really great way to insulate a house and to uh their houses made out of adobe bricks it's like old people have been doing this for you know like centuries and so they built that they built the house while they were building that house they pitched a teepee they had friends to help them pitch to Teepee, they built an outhouse, which is like an outside toilet.
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  And we were kind of living on the land while they were building their dream house and having it be really unconventional.
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  Like the houses eventually that were done were like three or three or four different structures, all not connected because my mom and dad wanted us to be outside as much as possible and be able to look up at the stars at night.
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  So if after dinner we have to walk outside from the kitchen to the bedroom, we have an option to look up and to look at the stars.
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  No, they were all like these separate little...
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  Oh my God.
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  And so my mom had a garden, my dad built an outside kitchen, or they both did, because they were both really involved in the process, but they built an outside kitchen that she could cook in.
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  She grew all of her own veggies, grew up vegetarian, of course.
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  And I grew up really close to the land, really close to my food and learning how to cook.
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  you know, we didn't have screens, we didn't have a telephone.
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  um We eventually got electricity.
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  We eventually got indoor plumbing, but they didn't put an indoor, like, until 1997 when I was 17 and I moved away.
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  So it was very different and it was very, I mean it was lovely.
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  I can look up at the sky, you know, any night and I know the constellations and I know the different stars and I know the planets and I am still very connected to, you know, food and to the earth and so it was a special way to grow up and by really special people who were very much in love, which was really different from a lot of my friends whose parents were, you know, did not like each other and were going through divorces.
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  It was a very loving upbringing in all the ways.
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  Wow, that is so cool.
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  And I remember hearing you, I think it was on Rip Esselstyn's podcast about that, that you, I think this was you, that you think that we are too, we live in too sterile of an environment now and that's why like we don't have enough em of an immune system.
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  Is that correct?
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  That you, you know, maybe that wasn't you.
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  a lot of stuff.
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  It sounds right.
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  It sounds maybe something I would say.
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  But we do.
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  mean really compared to like growing up the funny thing is like I did not like to wear shoes.
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  I you know I was outside all the time.
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  It was em I was really, New Mexico, the place where I lived, had four very distinct seasons, at least at that time with climate, I'm not so sure anymore.
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  But it was, you know, I was with the environment, I was outside.
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  It wasn't like sterile, so to speak, but I never remember being sick growing up.
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  there you go.
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  my mom and dad having colds or having sick days.
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  mean, that just really, it may be once in a while, but it was not a normal thing.
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  And I had friends who had a very quote unquote normal, house normal parents.
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  And I had this one friend, was, anytime she would get like, cold or anytime her mom would hear her cough it was like to the doctor she got antibiotics and she was always on antibiotics and she grew up with her immune system is horrible and she's always dealt with being sick on and off and that was something you know my mom was very big on letting the body heal itself you know we would she I remember her saying one time when I was little, I get all of the nutrients I need for my food, apart from B12, right?
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  But she's like, I let the food make me healthy.
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  And so it was really um that kind of an upbringing where we relied on our own bodies, but we treated our own bodies in a way that they remained balanced as best they could.
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  Yeah.
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  And so you learned to cook from your parents?
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  Yeah, my mom was always the one cooking, my dad, he can make toast.
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  oh So my mom loves to cook and still does and so you know when I was little I would just I didn't have like I didn't have a TV I didn't have a phone and you know there weren't like iPads back then because this was in the 80s but I didn't you know there were no it was very rural and so I just kind of did what my mom did and so if she was in the kitchen I was kind of in the kitchen watching her she would you know showed me how to use a knife she taught me how to you know chop up things or stir things and so I was just in the kind of being her little shadow and doing what she was doing.
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  So yeah, I had that kind of foundation from really small.
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  Yeah, and what, so how old are your parents now and what are they like and what's their life like?
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  I'm really interested in them, my gosh.
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  So my mom is 82.
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  She'll be 83 this year.
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  My dad is going to be 78 this year.
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  And my dad goes snorkeling like every day.
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  He does.
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  They live on Maui as well.
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  They live...
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And my mom...
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  does meditation, she does yoga, she's still plant-based.
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  My dad has had a few health things.
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  My dad struggled with uh alcohol probably since after the war.
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  ah He kind of managed that for many years, but he actually quit drinking when he was 71.
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  He quit.
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  For anybody out there that's like, it's too late for me to make big changes, it is never too late to make big life changes.
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  um since he's quit drinking his...
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  his life has become lighter, I would say.
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  mean, he was always a pretty, I mean, even when he was drinking, he was a very, he's a very sweet, like tender man.
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  He's a very sensitive guy.
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  He's kind of shy and quiet.
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  But he's doing well.
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  He snorkels.
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  He loves going into the ocean.
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  He loves swimming.
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  He loves taking walks on the beaches.
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  And then my mom is just like kick ass.
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  She does not feel 82.
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  She doesn't really look 82.
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  just goes and she's like I you know sometimes she'll be like I'm kind of tired today I'm like you are 82 she's like I forget that you know but she you know they're both really they have a lot of life in them and you can sense that when you're around them.
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  Does she like, present like a 82 year old or is like, her posture good and she gets around really quickly or?
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  yeah.
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  She scoots, I mean, I'm always saying like she has more energy than I do on days.
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  Like she scoots around, her back is really straight, she's really open, um she is really spunky, she wears these really colorful glasses, she wears these cute clothes, she has this, she went, she let her hair go naturally gray in her 50s, so she has this head of like really platinum silver hair and she's stoked about it because she said she always wanted to be blonde and now it's her chance to be like, super blonde.
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  But yeah, they're just yeah, they're great and she still loves to cook.
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  I mean she's still this is this is how they eat.
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  They eat a whole food plant-based diet and em you know they've it's so wonderful to have parents who you can enjoy being with and you can do fun things with.
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  Like we just went on this um boat tour.
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  It was like a celestial stargazing you know tour at night and so the sky.
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  They love the sky.
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  so we were, you know, just, we go on adventures together and it's so great.
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  I mean, I thank them so much for caring for themselves and for tending to their bodies.
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  Even though my dad struggled with addiction, he still, you know, he was able to balance that out somehow.
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  And so I give them a lot of credit for doing that because it makes it easier on the kids, you know?
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  Yeah.
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  so did they move you to Maui?
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  Is that how you ended up?
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  Oh, I see.
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  So when did you move there?
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  I moved to Hawaii in 2016, so it's been 10 years.
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  And then I moved to the Big Island when I first got here, and then I moved to Maui in 2019, and I've been here since.
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  Yeah.
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  big islands like another planet.
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  We went there for our honeymoon and we've gone back a couple of times.
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  like, this is like nothing.
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  My husband used to love to surf and so that's why we ended up there for our honeymoon.
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  And it was really like nothing I had ever seen in my life.
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  That's where Waipao Valley is, right?
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  Is that Waipao?
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  Yeah, I just remember going there and I was like, this place is nuts.
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  m for it that I have is just wild.
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  It is it is just a wild place.
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  I mean and there's so many different Like there's desert, there's uh jungle, there's like lava fields, there's, I mean, it's that you have like rocky lava beaches, you have white sand beaches.
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  It's like, there's so many zones and it's just, it's a really, it's a really cool place.
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  And you know, Maui is really special too.
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  I just, I lived in the really rainy part of the big island and I was just really, yeah, no, Kona's like them.
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  Kona's the...
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  Hilo is the...
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  Okay, that's right.
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  side.
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  I had a couple of friends who lived on Maui, and when I came here to visit, I was like, wow, this just feels really good.
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  So I made that move.
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  But I do go over to the Big Island pretty often, because I still have friends there.
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  That's incredible.
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  um So let's talk about you, how you, now that we've exhausted about your parents, um let's, I mean, but that's really interesting.
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  Well, let's talk about what, first of all, what made you want to help people eat plant-based and also tell me, okay, tell me about that first, then I'll, let me just ask one question at a time.
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  I have a bad habit of like, I want to know everything.
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  Yeah, tell me about what, how that happened.
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  I was either going to be a fashion designer or a fashion photographer.
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  And so when I realized that like that world really wasn't for me, I was like, now what?
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  You know?
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  And I ended up kind of circling back to my roots and how I was raised and found that there was a lot of joy in helping somebody feel better through their diet and through their lifestyle.
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  and it gave, it really gave me more of a sense of like purpose and it just felt really grounding and it felt really right.
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  And so I had several different...
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  jobs and opportunities and careers before I did what I'm doing now.
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  But in all of those, it had something to do with helping people eat more plants and just the changes I would see in people, the stories I would hear from people.
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  And then the more I started reading about it and learning about the science, I was just like, wow, this is like, can't imagine doing anything else.
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  Yeah, and your specialty is like, I guess you have, uh it's meal planning and you send recipes.
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  Do you have an app or how do you send the recipes?
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  Yeah.
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  it's funny because it's actually, released our very first meal plan 10 years ago.
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  I think it'll be tomorrow.
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  And so we're right at our 10 years.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's no coincidence that 11 years ago I quit drinking.
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  and it's been 10 years from this because I really found my flow after I quit drinking, which we can talk about later.
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  So I had tried a few different things in the business.
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  I was slowly growing the community.
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  I was learning how to have an online business.
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  I was learning online marketing.
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  I was learning all these things as I was going.
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  And I tried different offers.
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  There was...
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  I knew I wanted to do this.
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  I knew I wanted to make money with this enough so that I wouldn't have to get a job, another job.
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  And so I created a six-week plant-based reset.
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  And the reset was great.
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  We had people joining and they really got a lot out of it.
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  They loved it.
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  Not a ton of people, but enough to keep going with this.
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  And then at the very end of one of those resets, somebody asked the question of, well, what do we eat now?
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  And...
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  At the time I had just finished writing out my...
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  grocery list and what I was gonna batch cook that weekend and what I was gonna make throughout the week.
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  Because that's, I had no time.
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  I was so busy in the business.
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  I was working really long days.
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  I was wearing multiple hats and the only way I could keep eating really healthy was to set aside a few hours on a weekend to batch a bunch of my food.
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  And so that's what I had been doing for like the past year and a half.
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  And so I had, you know, I wrote out this, I would write out my meal plans each week.
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  And so this woman asked and I was like, I can just take a picture of mine.
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  and tell you what I'm doing.
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  so I started thinking about it.
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  I'm like, oh, if she's curious, I guess there's other people curious too.
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  So I decided just to put all that down in a document.
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  turn it into a PDF, put it into a classroom, and I kind of took a poll in our Facebook group, like, hey, is this something that you'd be interested in paying for if you got like kind of what I'm doing each week, and so I'd give you a new meal plan each week, is that something you would pay for on a monthly basis?
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  And people were like, yes, I wanna be told what to do and how to, you what to cook.
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  And so, the groceries and all of that.
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  So that's how it started.
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  And that was 10 years ago, and we still put out...
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  um a meal plan every week, recipes.
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  We've of course, a lot has changed.
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  We hired some really, really smart developers to create this wonderful portal.
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  And we now have over 550 meal plans, over 5,300 recipes that me and my team have created.
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  So this is all in-house.
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  These are all tested by us.
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  um Nothing is AI driven, nothing is outsourced.
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  It's all me and my little team who do this.
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  That's really how we monetize and how we, and to this day really, mean, the majority of our business is these meal plans.
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  That's incredible.
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  And my gosh, so do you ever repeat meal plans?
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  I mean, you have to repeat, right?
• 20:13
  Well, you just said you had 5,000 meal plans.
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  I don't know.
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  Or a thousand recipes.
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  That's crazy.
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  meal plans.
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  So um we don't do a lot of repeating.
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  We have uh one of our main recipe developer, because I don't.
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  In the beginning, I was doing all the recipes, I was doing all the meal plans, but I was like so close to being burnt out.
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  I mean, in fact, I woke up one morning when I was doing all of this and when I was putting in these crazy long days, not having a day off, and I woke up with vertigo and I had so much to do, but my body was like, nope, that's it, you need a break.
• 20:49
  and I'm gonna make you take a break because you're not allowing yourself to have a break.
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  And so I had vertigo for like two days and I was like, no, but there's so much stuff that I need to do.
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  And I finally just, okay, released and once we started having members and having, you know.
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  recurring revenue coming in, I could finally hire some people to help.
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  And that was really, really good because I don't think I, I mean, I couldn't have gone at that pace for much longer.
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  But one of the recipe developers who we hired, her name is Tammy, she's still with us.
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  And I mean, she's just never running out of ideas.
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  And our community as well, always has ideas for us and like, hey, let's do this, let's do this.
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  we have a similar, like we have a lot of um like plans from like Southeast Asia, but like right now she's working on a really specific plan for like Korean food.
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  We have a lot of, uh like, we have a lot of stuff in there.
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  And, but we're always coming up with new ideas and new twists and new spins, because really whole food plant-based cooking is so much fun to like adapt recipes to.
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  And so like she can't imagine not having any more ideas and I can't imagine having.
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  No more ideas.
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  And so we just kind of keep going and our members love it.
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  That's incredible, because I mean, sometimes I'm like, I don't know, I can't think of one more thing to cook.
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  yes, that's incredible.
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  buy this make batch cook this you know we'll give you the plan you just got to follow it um and and for people it's really helpful it still requires some time to be in the kitchen of course but you can't really you know the way that I think about it as like you have to make your own convenience foods when you eat this way because you can't buy convenience foods that are whole food plant-based.
• 22:36
  I mean there's a couple of companies doing some things with packaged food but you know it's not likely that you do that for every meal so you just kind of empower yourself to make your own convenience foods so it's easy for you during the week.
• 22:47
  Yeah, but by convenience food, what do you mean?
• 22:50
  I mean like you're making rice, you're making a soup, you're making a sauce, and you're making this food so that when you're ready to eat, you just pull it out of your fridge, assemble it, heat it up, and it's done.
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  So it's convenient.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Literally Pop-Tarts are we making.
• 23:12
  no, I wasn't thinking that.
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  I don't know what I was thinking.
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  um Okay, so tell me some of the incredible health transformations you've seen.
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  Yeah, there's been a lot of them.
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  And we've had so many, you know, members over the years who, one thing that was really important for me in this business and just in my life is to really meet people where they're at and to have a very safe, inclusive space for anybody, regardless of where they're at on their journey.
• 23:41
  So we have a lot of people who feel welcomed, who might not have necessarily feel welcomed in or felt welcomed in other.
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  communities, any other plant-based.
• 23:52
  No, and even if they're, you know, listen, in an ideal world, I would love everybody to be plant-based, but it's not realistic.
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  And I think that you're going to help more people by meeting them where they're at.
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  And hey, if you want to be plant-based or whole food plant-based and you want to like eat cheese once in a while, okay, great, you know?
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  And so...
• 24:16
  So we have a lot of people coming to us and most of our members, most of the people who do this are like in their late 40s, early 50s and they're like, hey, my doctor told me that this is going on.
• 24:28
  I did some research, I found you.
• 24:30
  Like I'm ready to make this change.
• 24:32
  Because there's a lot of people who don't really want to make a change unless they're kind of cornered and they're kind of backed into the wall.
• 24:38
  And so we have a lot of people coming to us with health issues and through changing how they eat and changing their lifestyle, they are really able to overcome.
• 24:47
  So we have a whole section on our website about health makeovers, but we have a lot of people who are no longer type two diabetic or pre-diabetic.
• 24:56
  That's a huge thing.
• 24:57
  We have a lot of people who used to be obese and who no longer are.
• 25:01
  We have people who had a lot of heart problems and no longer do.
• 25:05
  We have people who have really chronic inflammation and that has cleared up.
• 25:10
  I mean, we've had people who had really bad eye problems and through changing diet and lifestyle, their eye problems have cleared up.
• 25:21
  Glaucoma for one.
• 25:23
  Yeah.
• 25:23
  Yes.
• 25:24
  Yeah.
• 25:24
  It's crazy.
• 25:25
  I mean, I've talked to so many of our members who have had so many just...
• 25:29
  crazy transformations, people with uh mental health.
• 25:32
  I people who were like really depressed and really, you know, having this, you know, really struggling with their mental health.
• 25:40
  They change how they eat.
• 25:41
  They change their microbiome.
• 25:42
  They change, you know, how they're living their life, how they're moving.
• 25:46
  And all of a sudden, you know, it's like, I feel lighter.
• 25:50
  I feel better.
• 25:52
  So we've had, yeah.
• 25:55
  the thread between your microbiome and your brain and how you feel.
• 26:00
  it is wild.
• 26:01
  You know, I had somebody on the podcast tell me, I don't know, you might know this, but I didn't know that when you're in, I guess that's when you're in utero, you're like, when you're forming the brain and the gut are like, what did she say?
• 26:17
  It's the same cells.
• 26:19
  They're like attached and then they spread like, That's so cool.
• 26:22
  one becomes your brain and one becomes your gut.
• 26:25
  And I'm like, well, that makes sense.
• 26:27
  Doesn't it?
• 26:28
  Isn't that wild?
• 26:29
  And that's why, yeah, because I've heard of the gut referred to as the second brain, you know, so that would make sense that it started, started then.
• 26:38
  Yeah, I love that.
• 26:39
  I mean, the science and all of that behind all of this and why this way of eating is so powerful and so effective.
• 26:47
  um It's really fascinating.
• 26:49
  I love diving into the science because it really, it reinforces.
• 26:55
  you know, a lot of what I'm already doing and it always makes me really inspired just to keep going and to keep helping people.
• 27:01
  And I think you, what I love about you is that, first of all, I think you're such a great writer.
• 27:07
  And I know that you connect with people like through your newsletter and your blogs and so forth.
• 27:13
  you know, when I was looking on your website, I was reading some of your stuff and I was like, God, this is just so true.
• 27:19
  And it's so me, I even, you know, I recognize myself.
• 27:22
  Like you said in one of your posts, something about like, Well, instead of dealing with my feelings and making dinner, I just watched Superbad and ate a bowl of sweet and salty popcorn.
• 27:32
  I'm like, oh my God, that's 100 % me.
• 27:35
  What do you put in your popcorn?
• 27:36
  How do you make your popcorn?
• 27:38
  Okay, well that particular day, it was just like a package of, I think, Boom Pop or something.
• 27:45
  I didn't even make it.
• 27:46
  I just went to the store.
• 27:48
  No, it was just like a of popcorn.
• 27:52
  Like I bought it.
• 27:53
  ah I don't do that very often, but I know what posts you're talking about and I know I remember exactly what was happening then.
• 28:00
  But when I make popcorn at home, I put it in an air popper and then I have a bottle of...
• 28:06
  uh coconut, not coconut aminos, but regular aminos, braggs, and I have the spray bottle, and then I spray the popcorn and then I put nutritional yeast on it, and then I just mix it around, and I will, I love that.
• 28:20
  It's my really good snack.
• 28:22
  way, that is so good.
• 28:24
  And I also put, when I make it that way, I put garlic powder on it too.
• 28:28
  That's also really good.
• 28:30
  But sometimes I have the air popper and I love sweet and salty also.
• 28:35
  So I make that and then if I am really feeling bad, I do um like some maple syrup and then just like some regular salt on it.
• 28:45
  Which I don't, I try not to eat too often but.
• 28:48
  sometimes it is called for, know, and that's, that's, it hits this really hits the damn spot.
• 28:54
  uh And then there was another thing that I loved.
• 28:58
  Don't squeeze the fucking cat.
• 29:00
  Can you talk about talk about that?
• 29:02
  Because I was like, that's so damn true.
• 29:05
  Do you remember that?
• 29:07
  Yeah.
• 29:09
  Yes.
• 29:10
  in my day-to-day life and that has helped me through things.
• 29:13
  So the first thing, you the first thing you mentioned that like...
• 29:16
  Yeah, watching a movie and eating popcorn.
• 29:18
  Like, nobody's trying to be perfect here.
• 29:20
  We are all these messy humans that we need some nice distraction and some comfort sometimes.
• 29:27
  I, you know, I'm all for feeling my feelings.
• 29:29
  I get that.
• 29:29
  I've done a lot of that work, but there's some days that it's like, fuck it.
• 29:33
  I am going to watch, you know, a really cheesy bad movie and I'm going to um eat my feelings and that's okay because that's what we do sometimes.
• 29:42
  You know, I, and I always think like, If that's the worst thing I did today, like I'm good.
• 29:48
  Yeah, exactly.
• 29:53
  Exactly.
• 29:54
  So I'm all for like embracing imperfection, embracing the messiness and not and just like dropping the whole idea of this, you know, this idea of perfect or.
• 30:02
  you know, well this person, because people have this idea, well this person who they don't even know who's on social media wouldn't be doing this.
• 30:10
  You don't know what those people, nobody is perfect.
• 30:12
  Even like all the social media people, they're not perfect either.
• 30:15
  They have their days.
• 30:18
  You know, so.
• 30:19
  a huge problem that we have is that looking at other people and trying to emulate them when you don't really know what they're like.
• 30:26
  And we are messy humans.
• 30:28
  Okay, so tell us about, don't squeeze the fucking cat.
• 30:31
  yeah, so this, so it's a bit of an analogy and there was a, so what happened, how I came up with this is that I, my niece Eleanor, when she was little, she was like maybe four or five, she came to visit and whenever she would visit, I had this adorable cat named Panda and she just loved.
• 30:53
  Panda so much and she always would like try to run after Panda and then when she got him she would just squeeze him and he would be so pissed off he'd be like he would like kind of scratch her and like kind of bite her like no I don't want that and every time she came over that's how she would approach it and so one day I was like look Ellie like yeah like Panda's a really sweet cat he will he doesn't mind being pet he doesn't even mind going on your lap but you can't squeeze him You have to be patient.
• 31:20
  have to be chill.
• 31:21
  Like just like chill, you know, be cool.
• 31:23
  I was like, so what we're going to do is sit on my couch and I'm going to put Panda on the couch and then you're just going to sit with your hands open without grabbing him and without squeezing him.
• 31:36
  And she was like, ah, she wanted to squeeze him so bad.
• 31:40
  And he, he was on the couch and he like kind of smelled her and like got up to her.
• 31:45
  And eventually he went on her lap.
• 31:48
  And she was like, my God, I said, now just really gently pet him.
• 31:51
  And she was like, okay.
• 31:53
  So she was petting him and she was so happy.
• 31:55
  And it made me think, how many times in our lives do we like squeeze the cat and then wonder why we're not getting the results that we want?
• 32:03
  Because we hold it so close and we put so much into it.
• 32:07
  And it's like, we're not giving it any space to breathe.
• 32:09
  And you can think about this with like anything, whether that's like a relationship you're trying to mend or.
• 32:16
  weight you're trying to release or a habit you're trying to undo.
• 32:19
  It's like we're so neurotic about getting it right that we hold on so tight that it ends up working against us.
• 32:26
  And so it's just a reminder to just let go, create some space, get some space between whatever it is that you're working on, whatever it is you're trying to accomplish.
• 32:35
  Breathe a little bit, create that space around you, and then look at it because otherwise we are so in it.
• 32:42
  We can't see the forest through the trees.
• 32:44
  and we're not gonna get anywhere.
• 32:46
  So it's a reminder to stop squeezing the fucking cat.
• 32:50
  Let the cat breathe, whatever it is, let it breathe and it'll work out.
• 32:54
  It will.
• 32:55
  But you gotta approach it in a way where it's not as neurotic.
• 33:00
  You gotta be cool, you gotta be chill and allow a way to come, uh yourself to go through the process and to not rush it.
• 33:11
  I see this a lot with my weight loss clients.
• 33:13
  It's like people want to be a certain weight like yesterday.
• 33:17
  And the more they rush it, it ends up backfiring and they end up throwing their hands and being like, screw it.
• 33:23
  If it's not already done, it's not going to happen.
• 33:25
  And it really, it leads to that perfectionism thinking that all or nothing.
• 33:30
  And so by being rushed, by squeezing the cat, you're not allowing yourself to be a human and to reach your goals naturally in a way that feels good.
• 33:40
  Mm I mean, they make so much sense.
• 33:42
  And I have to say I'm embarrassed.
• 33:44
  Like even as a few years ago, I was trying to do that to my mother's cat.
• 33:49
  Okay, like I knew better.
• 33:51
  But I was like, I want this frickin cat in my lap so bad.
• 33:54
  It's I mean, honestly.
• 33:58
  So I knew better.
• 33:58
  But you know, you could see that all the time, like in relationships, when somebody's clinging on and trying to, you know, make it work.
• 34:06
  And instead of just having that release and like, okay, whatever happens, I'm just going to be the best that I can be in this relationship and, you know, not try to, it's always like when you try to grab onto something that they like, if you try to grab a person, they're gonna back away.
• 34:22
  That's just an immediate instinct, right?
• 34:24
  Yeah.
• 34:26
  reaction.
• 34:27
  you know, the way that I think about it is if you are in a rush to get someplace or if you want something so bad that you have to have it now, that's coming from pain.
• 34:36
  Like there's some kind of pain because you are wanting something that you are not having.
• 34:41
  And so you're in pain and you're also not accepting what is right now.
• 34:47
  And that's that creates a lot of suffering.
• 34:50
  And we have enough pain being human in this world that we don't need to add suffering on top of that.
• 34:57
  And so if we can pinpoint, okay, where's the pain?
• 34:59
  What's motivating me to do this?
• 35:01
  Then you can get curious about it.
• 35:04
  You don't have to beat yourself up for doing it.
• 35:06
  You can just get curious, understand yourself a little bit better and understand what steps you can take that will actually support you in this.
• 35:13
  I always say that that well, I didn't make that saying up.
• 35:17
  I know I read it somewhere, but that the suffering doesn't come from what you're experiencing.
• 35:22
  The suffering comes from not accepting it.
• 35:24
  And yeah, that's right.
• 35:28
  Exactly.
• 35:29
  I know.
• 35:30
  yeah, acceptance goes a lot of a long way.
• 35:32
  Releasing, letting, just letting things be letting.
• 35:37
  love.
• 35:37
  we want control so bad because we don't have a lot of control.
• 35:41
  I don't know if you've noticed, there's a lot of shit that we cannot control.
• 35:46
  And we're put in these human bodies with these human brains.
• 35:49
  We know we're gonna die.
• 35:50
  We know that the people we love are gonna die, but we don't know when.
• 35:53
  There's like, we don't have a manual for any of this.
• 35:58
  We weren't really like, we didn't.
• 36:00
  sign a form saying we wanted to get into this world, we're here.
• 36:03
  I maybe we did in the past representation of ourselves, who knows?
• 36:07
  But we don't know what happens to us when we die.
• 36:10
  There's a lot there.
• 36:12
  And there's a lot we cannot control.
• 36:14
  So it makes sense that we just want to control to have some kind of stability and some kind of safety, but that's all an illusion anyway.
• 36:21
  But also we've been conditioned to like chase things down.
• 36:24
  Like if you really want something, you have to go for it and you have to chase it down and you have to hustle and you have to dream big and go for it, you know?
• 36:31
  And so there's that conditioning, that culture, that conditioning.
• 36:36
  And so it's no wonder.
• 36:39
  And then it creates all this stress and drama and anxiety and you know, I mean, well.
• 36:48
  you you might be totally burnt out and that might be short lived, but there's a lot of different approaches to take, right?
• 36:55
  So explore the ones that make you feel, that make you feel expansive, make you feel like, you know, you're supported during the process.
• 37:06
  that's a good point.
• 37:07
  um Well, let's talk a little bit about your uh smoking and drinking days and yeah, how...
• 37:14
  it.
• 37:15
  I loved smoking and I loved drinking so much.
• 37:17
  Oh, I loved it.
• 37:19
  uh Well, I started with Camel Lights.
• 37:23
  For a long time, I was a camel light girl.
• 37:25
  How old were you when you started smoking?
• 37:27
  The first time I had a cigarette, I was 15.
• 37:30
  I was 10 the first time I had one.
• 37:32
  My parents gave it to me.
• 37:34
  My parents were the opposite of your parents.
• 37:37
  But they gave it to me thinking, oh, well, this will make you not like it.
• 37:42
  But then I really started smoking when I was 15 and my parents highly approved of it.
• 37:48
  yeah.
• 37:50
  Yeah.
• 37:51
  My mother told me it would curb my appetite.
• 37:53
  So it was good.
• 37:56
  huh.
• 37:57
  So tell me about in that.
• 37:59
  my weight loss clients.
• 38:01
  It's crazy.
• 38:03
  Yeah, so I was 15.
• 38:04
  was camel lights, yes.
• 38:07
  And then eventually I moved to American Spirit yellows.
• 38:11
  was, yes, I love those.
• 38:14
  And yeah, I just really, I would smoke with my coffee.
• 38:18
  I would smoke while I was drinking.
• 38:19
  I would smoke when I was stressed.
• 38:20
  I would smoke when I was happy.
• 38:22
  Like I just love the a- of it, having it my finger, feeling the smoke in my lungs, like I just really, really loved it.
• 38:28
  And like I knew it was bad for me, but it was great.
• 38:32
  then, yeah, and then I started drinking.
• 38:36
  The first time I got drunk, I was 14.
• 38:38
  It provided some kind of relief for me.
• 38:41
  I was always kind of a intense, deep, anxious human for some reason.
• 38:47
  don't, you know, and this is, it wasn't my...
• 38:50
  upbringing like my upbringing was like very loving and very I'd like but it has to be you know, there's the nurture and there's the nature right and so there was a part of me that was always just kind of nervous and anxious and um I Like I took things very seriously it was everything that was very serious and the first time I got drunk I was like, oh This feels really good.
• 39:15
  It's like a weight has been lifted like we should do more of this.
• 39:19
  And so I just kind of kept going with that and to various degrees throughout my teenage years and my 20s.
• 39:31
  They did, they did.
• 39:33
  And they knew that people my age drank.
• 39:36
  They didn't know how much I was drinking.
• 39:40
  And they certainly were like, okay, so if you're gonna do this, let's talk about some safe ways to do it.
• 39:45
  Let's make sure you're not drinking and driving, for example.
• 39:48
  So we talked about it, but I was one of those humans that was like, I'm gonna do whatever I want.
• 39:55
  It's cute that you're talking to me about this and I'll have this conversation, but at the end of the day, I'm gonna do whatever I want.
• 40:00
  so.
• 40:01
  I just, I kept going with it and I drank all through college, through my 20s, early 30s and then I was 35 and I was like, like I'm gonna die.
• 40:13
  Like I can't, I can't do this anymore.
• 40:15
  I felt so spiritually bankrupt.
• 40:18
  I felt so, um it's very weird to try to explain it, but I felt really like light and really thin, not in like a weight body way.
• 40:29
  But like, wasn't strong.
• 40:33
  Like, was just all of my strength, and not just my body strength, but like my spiritual strength, my spirit, was like so depleted that I was like, if I keep going, like I can't, it's not gonna end well.
• 40:48
  And I can't do this anymore.
• 40:50
  And I had tried to quit a few times, but you know, I was really, really hooked.
• 40:54
  And so when I was 35, I just...
• 40:57
  I made that choice to quit drinking, quit smoking, and I got ready to be really uncomfortable and I thought, mm-hmm, yeah, mm-hmm.
• 41:08
  And I thought to myself, yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 41:13
  And I thought, well, and I was really scared.
• 41:16
  was like, I don't know who I am without drinking and smoking.
• 41:18
  I don't know how to socialize.
• 41:19
  I don't know how to live my life.
• 41:21
  I don't know.
• 41:22
  You know, I don't know how to have fun.
• 41:23
  It's gonna be so boring It's gonna be like, you know, that was one side and then the other side was like yeah But Molly you like really need to quit because otherwise you're not gonna be around to even enjoy your life You know, and it's probably gonna be you know, not that like something's gonna happen I just had this idea that something was gonna happen.
• 41:42
  And so I Was prepared to have a really boring life.
• 41:45
  I was prepared to be in a lot of pain I was prepared to feel really horrible and I was like, I'm saying yes to that.
• 41:52
  I'm accepting that if I can be free of these things that are now like, uh have me around, you know, with a leash.
• 42:03
  uh They're in control, not me anymore.
• 42:07
  And so if I can be free of that, then I'm willing to.
• 42:10
  be really bored the rest of my life, I'm willing to be in pain and I'm willing to like not feel good.
• 42:14
  And I just reached that point where I could say, em I can do that.
• 42:18
  And it was hard and it still is sometimes, em it's, I have moments where I'm like, wow, a cigarette would be really good or wow.
• 42:28
  Sometimes I see people who can drink and have one drink and I'm like, God, that must be really nice.
• 42:31
  But it's nothing that I would ever consider doing again because the benefits and because how I feel and because my life has...
• 42:38
  you know, expanded so much and I am, you know, I can't imagine ever going back to that.
• 42:43
  Yeah, and so it's been 11 years now since you quit smoking and drinking.
• 42:49
  So, oh wow.
• 42:50
  So does that make you what, 45, 46?
• 42:54
  How old are you?
• 42:55
  Yeah.
• 42:56
  And can you, mean, okay, well, are you finished talking about that?
• 43:00
  like, what was the first day like when you weren't smoking and drinking?
• 43:06
  It was?
• 43:07
  first, the day after the first day was amazing because I woke up and I wasn't hungover.
• 43:12
  I woke up and I was like, I was drinking a lot.
• 43:17
  By that point, I was drinking a lot.
• 43:19
  I mean, I could drink two bottles of wine by myself at night and a pack of cigarettes.
• 43:23
  Yeah, no.
• 43:24
  I mean, I was, I had a very high tolerance and I could, and it was a daily thing.
• 43:30
  I mean, I...
• 43:31
  were you drinking?
• 43:32
  Red wine?
• 43:33
  White wine?
• 43:33
  white wine, I would drink beer, would drink gin and tonics, I mean I would really drink anything but wine was really my favorite.
• 43:41
  and you were drinking two bottles by yourself.
• 43:44
  bottles, yeah, by myself.
• 43:45
  Well, I guess I'm lucky that I puke so easily because I cannot.
• 43:50
  I mean, I'm the kind of person who can have one glass of wine and be done.
• 43:56
  I throw up.
• 43:57
  Like I can hardly ever even get drunk because I just puke before I get drunk.
• 44:01
  And so I know.
• 44:04
  Honestly, I think I am blessed because, yeah, I'm like, I can't enjoy it because I'm just going to barf or then the room will start spinning.
• 44:15
  um So then, so really, would you say it was very difficult or not that difficult for you to?
• 44:22
  It was horrible.
• 44:23
  I felt great because I didn't feel physically sick.
• 44:29
  slowly I started to have more energy.
• 44:31
  Slowly I started feeling like human again.
• 44:33
  But the cravings and the...
• 44:36
  The amount of feelings that I was having that were bubbling up, that were starting to come up, that I would usually just drink to make go away, even if I was realizing I was doing that or not, it's like there wasn't that protection anymore.
• 44:49
  And it was just like everything was coming up.
• 44:52
  So it was excruciating, it was horrible.
• 44:56
  It was, yeah, I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
• 44:59
  I mean, but I would at the same time because that's...
• 45:01
  Yeah.
• 45:02
  that's what it took.
• 45:03
  It took me opening up and I said from the time I was doing it, I have to embrace the suck.
• 45:10
  I have to embrace this and I just have to feel this.
• 45:13
  And I can't try to escape this because that's what I was doing for like practically my whole life.
• 45:20
  And so I have to be willing to do it differently and to really experience what's coming up.
• 45:28
  And there was a lot of it.
• 45:29
  You know, I had some, really bad traumatic experiences in different occasions during my life.
• 45:36
  I had some stuff that really needed my attention and really needed processing that I wasn't allowing myself to do.
• 45:42
  So it was horrible.
• 45:43
  And I would say for the first like...
• 45:45
  For the first six months it was horrible, but also I was motivated to do it because it was that novelty of it was a new thing for me.
• 45:52
  After the first six months, I was like, okay, now I'm just bored.
• 45:56
  And is this gonna be my life?
• 45:57
  I can't imagine this is just my life now.
• 45:59
  After a year, I was finally able to go out with friends and be okay with that and not, you know, like have a social life again.
• 46:08
  And about two years after I quit, was the first time I had a genuinely, like a genuinely fun time without alcohol.
• 46:16
  And I had gone to a little, it was in Hilo actually.
• 46:20
  And there was a little venue who had live, they had live music and then there was an artist who was gonna be doing a live painting to the music.
• 46:28
  And it was a small little venue and it was a singer who I really liked, really low key performance.
• 46:34
  It was a free event.
• 46:35
  So I went and his music was just so good.
• 46:38
  I was watching her doing this amazing painting live as the music is going on.
• 46:43
  And I was so inspired by the creativity and the music that I got up and nobody else was dancing.
• 46:48
  And I just started to dance.
• 46:50
  And that was unheard of for me.
• 46:51
  If I hadn't, if I wasn't, you know, inebriated, I really felt uncomfortable dancing.
• 46:56
  But like, I was just feeling it.
• 46:58
  Like I just got up and I danced and I felt so good.
• 47:02
  And I had the best time.
• 47:03
  Like I started crying because I was like, oh, I'm going to be able to have fun.
• 47:08
  Like I'm going to be able to be OK.
• 47:10
  But that was two years after I quit.
• 47:12
  Mm hmm.
• 47:14
  Yeah.
• 47:15
  did you go to meetings or you just did this on your own?
• 47:18
  You just did it on your own.
• 47:19
  Wow.
• 47:21
  What would you say to somebody who's kind of going through that right now who probably realizes, I need to stop these behaviors, but it's gonna be so bad.
• 47:31
  Yeah, yeah, well it is going to be really hard and I think just It's hard and it's worth it.
• 47:37
  Both are true.
• 47:38
  It will get easier.
• 47:39
  It does get better.
• 47:40
  But you gotta go through that initial time of just having it suck and just being open to having it suck and just knowing that any feelings that come up along the way, they're not gonna hurt you as much as the booze is.
• 47:53
  They're not gonna hurt you as much as the cigarettes are or whatever it is that you're doing.
• 47:58
  They're not gonna hurt you.
• 48:01
  They're to be experienced, they're to be felt.
• 48:03
  We're human, we all have the, em we all have the ability to have all kinds of different feelings.
• 48:11
  Some of them feel really good, some of them don't.
• 48:13
  They're to be felt.
• 48:14
  So when you start feeling really scared or really like really bad cravings, just sit with it.
• 48:21
  Just open up to it.
• 48:22
  Just allow it to be there.
• 48:24
  And that kind of changes everything.
• 48:26
  Cause it doesn't feel good, but then you're not.
• 48:28
  pushing against it and trying to make it go away.
• 48:31
  m When you allow it to be there without acting on it, you can then process whatever it is that's coming up.
• 48:39
  And so that's the work.
• 48:40
  And then just knowing that everybody has that in them, anybody can do this work.
• 48:44
  And eventually enough of that, like you'll have to do less of it.
• 48:48
  And eventually it'll get easier and eventually you'll feel better.
• 48:50
  And for me, I was very curious, like...
• 48:54
  because I knew I wasn't living to my potential.
• 48:56
  And I was very curious about where my life would take me or where I would direct my life if I was living at my potential.
• 49:04
  And so that is very exciting to open up to and to know that like there's a whole other amazing life waiting for you if you can get through this.
• 49:14
  And you can, and people can, yeah, yeah.
• 49:17
  Look what happened to you.
• 49:18
  And you know, again, you just said the same things that we said before, allowing, letting, embracing the suck.
• 49:25
  It's all being human, being imperfect.
• 49:28
  It's all the same things.
• 49:30
  I think those are really important good life lessons.
• 49:33
  um So what, because it's age like a badass mother, we have to talk a little bit about aging like you.
• 49:41
  What do you love about being 45 years old?
• 49:44
  Well, I'm finding that I am embracing myself more and more and just embracing what I look like, embracing the imperfections that I have and you know, it's really easy to say like, oh yeah, we're all imperfect, embrace it.
• 50:03
  But then it's, to say it, it's really easy.
• 50:05
  In theory, it's really easy.
• 50:07
  And then as you start to age, there's things that just start to look a little bit different and to be a little bit different.
• 50:12
  And then it's like, you really get to put that to the test.
• 50:14
  Like, okay, I'm all about embracing imperfections.
• 50:18
  Can I embrace what's happening to me now?
• 50:21
  And as I'm getting older, I'm really enjoying being able to do that because it's like, well, this is new.
• 50:28
  Now I get to practice this.
• 50:29
  And so for example, for a long time, I had bangs because I thought bangs made me look younger.
• 50:35
  and I really had this idea that if I grew out my bangs, I was just gonna look a lot older.
• 50:40
  And I got to the point where I was really sick of having bangs, because they were a lot of work.
• 50:44
  And I'm like, I'm growing out my bangs and I don't care.
• 50:47
  Like, you're getting what you're getting, you know?
• 50:50
  And the same thing, I listened to one of your podcasts about a recent one you did about Botox and about fillers and stuff like that.
• 50:57
  I did Botox three times and every time I was like, You know, it doesn't feel good to have this stuff going in me.
• 51:07
  I don't know what it's gonna do.
• 51:08
  And also it's not a magic pill.
• 51:10
  It's not a magic potion.
• 51:12
  It's not like I'm still me.
• 51:14
  Yeah, maybe I have a few less.
• 51:16
  I had them like under my eyes because always when I, even when I was like 20, I have really like eyes that go out, right?
• 51:23
  They're not like deep set.
• 51:24
  And so when I smile, I have really deep creases underneath my eyes and it's not necessarily an age thing.
• 51:30
  It's like a placement of my eye thing.
• 51:31
  And that's the thing that I always like, I'm cringy about when I see and I'm really like to the point where I'm like, you know, this is what I got and I'm going to embrace it and I'm not gonna like, I'm just going to give myself love and just go at it from that approach.
• 51:47
  And so I, after the third time with the Botox, I'm like, okay, I'm done.
• 51:51
  um And so I'm just finding that at this age, I'm really open to.
• 51:58
  showing up how I am and loving it and not having that ah mental drama about any of it.
• 52:06
  It's not easy.
• 52:07
  I'll tell you as it goes on, it's hard, but I am the same way.
• 52:11
  like, just want to, I'm just trying not to buy into it all, you know?
• 52:19
  It's really difficult, but I'm really trying to hold onto it.
• 52:22
  em So we'll see how it goes.
• 52:24
  What um do you have any best advice for aging well?
• 52:28
  What's your best piece of advice for aging well?
• 52:32
  Yeah, best things you can do.
• 52:35
  with all the good stuff and so, you know, lifestyle stuff, making sure you drink plenty of water, getting sleep, moving your body, eating well, and then, you know, sunscreen is a big one.
• 52:50
  Yes, exactly.
• 52:51
  you look like you take good care of your skin.
• 52:54
  you.
• 52:55
  I have to put my cat outside because she's scratching on the door.
• 52:58
  So one moment.
• 52:58
  ahead, go ahead.
• 52:59
  This is real life.
• 53:01
  this is real life.
• 53:03
  Yes.
• 53:03
  I made the decision in 2020 actually, so like six years ago, to put my desk on the floor.
• 53:13
  And so I had this wonderful desk that one of my friends made and I got my power saw out and I chopped off the legs.
• 53:20
  And so now I sit on the floor every day because...
• 53:25
  I want my hips to stay open.
• 53:26
  I want to stay flexible.
• 53:28
  I want to sit upright.
• 53:30
  I want to have good posture.
• 53:31
  And I want this built into my daily life.
• 53:34
  And I'm on my computer a lot.
• 53:36
  I work a lot at my desk.
• 53:38
  And so because I've modified my desk and I now sit on the floor, it's like, I'm doing all of this stuff while I'm working.
• 53:44
  So it's incorporated into my day.
• 53:46
  So I do things as much as I can.
• 53:49
  And I think about...
• 53:51
  the preventative stuff, like what can I do now that's gonna help me in 20, 30 years?
• 53:56
  And so I think about my daily choices and the things that I do on a daily basis because those are the things that are gonna matter most because you're doing the most of them.
• 54:05
  And so where in my life can I tweak things?
• 54:08
  Can I make things a little bit different that's gonna benefit me when I'm 80 years old?
• 54:13
  So I spend time thinking about that and so really focusing on the prevention.
• 54:20
  I sit on my desk, my hips are really open, my posture is good, and that's something that I'm gonna do.
• 54:27
  I'll continue to do that.
• 54:29
  I go to, oh, I'll show you.
• 54:33
  So I have this little chair that's, you can't probably see it if you're listening to this, but it's like a floor chair.
• 54:42
  And.
• 54:42
  a stadium seat.
• 54:43
  So it just looks like a chair without legs and a meditation pillow, a bean, it sounds like a bean bag.
• 54:51
  Yeah, my mom made it for me, of course.
• 54:53
  It's filled with buckwheat, actually.
• 54:57
  So I don't really use the back of the chair to sit.
• 54:59
  just, like sometimes if I'm on, like the great thing about being on the floor is that you can't be on the floor for a really long time without changing your position.
• 55:09
  And so I'm always like moving my legs and that's good.
• 55:13
  Like when you sit in a chair, you can stay there for a ridiculous amount of time without getting up, without moving.
• 55:18
  And so that's one of the things that I love about this.
• 55:26
  Thank you! never heard of anybody who's cut the legs off their desk and sit, most people are standing at their desk, you know?
• 55:33
  Like instead of just cutting the legs off and sitting on...
• 55:37
  and just like, I felt like such a badass doing it.
• 55:40
  I was like, these legs gotta go.
• 55:41
  That is badass.
• 55:43
  Oh my God, I love that.
• 55:45
  That's awesome.
• 55:47
  Yeah.
• 55:47
  I used to really hate working out and then recently I've changed my mind about that.
• 55:53
  And I'm like, you know, working out is a gift and I can't not like a gift.
• 55:57
  And so I am going to see it as a celebration and see it as this is me doing it for my future self and I'm gonna really enjoy it.
• 56:07
  I do three.
• 56:09
  days a week of weightlifting.
• 56:11
  have a really awesome trainer who I really like.
• 56:14
  And then I walk every morning.
• 56:16
  And so nothing crazy, but just, you know, and then plus I go swimming sometimes.
• 56:21
  um I play pickleball sometimes.
• 56:24
  So just try to stay active.
• 56:26
  And then, yeah, the sunscreen part, really important.
• 56:29
  I am very fair.
• 56:30
  I've lived in Hawaii 10 years and people are like, wait, you live in Hawaii?
• 56:33
  You don't look like, why are you so white?
• 56:36
  I cover up.
• 56:37
  put on sunscreen, I always wear long sleeves, I wear a big hat, I wear sunglasses.
• 56:42
  I'm not gonna win any fashion awards, but I don't care.
• 56:48
  I'd rather be protected and uncool than cool and then risking melanoma later on.
• 56:54
  Yeah, that's really smart.
• 56:58
  Is sunscreen your favorite health or beauty product or do you have another one?
• 57:01
  Yeah, well I have, ah so I do daily sunscreen for sure, but there's three brands that I really like.
• 57:10
  And can I say them?
• 57:12
  Are you okay with that?
• 57:13
  Okay, and I don't get paid from them.
• 57:14
  Like this isn't sponsored or anything.
• 57:16
  m So there's one called Osmia, and it's a small women-owned brand out of Colorado, and they make really great health and beauty ah skincare products.
• 57:27
  So I love their stuff.
• 57:28
  And then there's another.
• 57:30
  It's O-S-M-I-A.
• 57:33
  And the woman who owns it, she is all about really aging naturally and taking, you know, like she's going gray and she's kind of documenting her journey on that on Instagram.
• 57:44
  She's really, she's amazing.
• 57:45
  Her name is Sarah.
• 57:46
  She used to be an ER doctor and she had, she developed perioral dermatitis, which is like a dermatitis of the skin that's really terrible.
• 57:57
  I developed it in 2019, which is how I found her.
• 58:01
  And so I actually interviewed her for the podcast and I changed a few things in my life that would help my skin condition, which it did.
• 58:09
  And that was after like a year of trying to figure it out, but she quit her ER doctor job to make soap because she wanted to figure out like how to make better skincare for women.
• 58:20
  So I love that brand.
• 58:21
  They have great products.
• 58:22
  And then there's a brand called Ursa Major.
• 58:24
  They're out of Vermont and a lovely woman owns that.
• 58:28
  They have really nice like serums and just facial like lotion and stuff, no icky ingredients and pretty reasonably priced.
• 58:38
  And then there's a...
• 58:38
  brand for the stars.
• 58:41
  Isn't that?
• 58:42
  exactly.
• 58:42
  And then the last one is a little brand out of New Mexico called Super Sav.
• 58:47
  And they've been around for a long time, but I love their em skin butters and their lotions and stuff.
• 58:56
  And all of this stuff doesn't have any, like you could eat this stuff, right?
• 59:00
  My mom always said, don't put anything on your skin that you wouldn't put in your mouth.
• 59:03
  So I've always lived by that.
• 59:05
  And then the sunscreen I use is by a brand called My Shell.
• 59:09
  It's M-Y-C-H-E-L-L-E.
• 59:12
  I use, yeah, and they have a really good sunscreen that I use just for every day that I put on after my moisturizer.
• 59:20
  Cause even if you don't go outside, you're still getting light from the computer and you know, you still need to protect your skin from like even windows.
• 59:27
  And so I use their, um they have like a sunscreen serum that I use every day.
• 59:33
  And then there's another like 50 that I'll put on my face when I go out.
• 59:37
  I forget the name of that one, but those are like my three top brands.
• 59:42
  Yeah.
• 59:43
  Yeah.
• 59:44
  then my last question, what's your favorite concert you've ever been to?
• 59:48
  geez.
• 59:48
  um Well, you know, the concert that I mentioned, it wasn't really a concert, but that guy playing music that night with the painter, I mean, that I will forever hold in my heart very tenderly and dearly because it allowed me to feel something that I didn't know I would feel again.
• 1:00:08
  And so that was like, think one of the most profound.
• 1:00:11
  wasn't like a concert concert, but.
• 1:00:13
  oh My dad took me to see Pink Floyd when I was like 12.
• 1:00:18
  It was amazing.
• 1:00:20
  He also took me to see the Rolling Stones when I was 13.
• 1:00:23
  He took me to see Neil Young when I was around that age.
• 1:00:26
  and my dad really loves rock and roll.
• 1:00:28
  So those were really great because I was able to do that with him.
• 1:00:31
  So that was really fun.
• 1:00:32
  um I would say I saw Brandy Carlile at a really wonderful outside venue in California.
• 1:00:41
  It was amazing.
• 1:00:44
  my other favorite, I have a lot, but my other favorite would be India Ari.
• 1:00:48
  And I saw her at the same venue I saw Brandy Carlisle, but she put on an amazing show.
• 1:00:54
  She is such a, are you familiar with her singing?
• 1:00:58
  oh I've heard of her, but I honestly am not sure who she is.
• 1:01:04
  I...
• 1:01:05
  India, what is it?
• 1:01:08
  Yeah, I've heard of her.
• 1:01:09
  Yeah, her music, she's very, she's amazing.
• 1:01:13
  She's very spiritual.
• 1:01:14
  She is, she has that light about her that just like you can't look away from.
• 1:01:20
  her, she writes all of her own music and it's very inspired and very lovely.
• 1:01:23
  So those are some of my tops.
• 1:01:25
  That's good.
• 1:01:26
  Those are all good ones.
• 1:01:27
  All.
• 1:01:28
  mean, I don't know who you saw the night you were realizing you could have fun again, but all of those sound really good.
• 1:01:34
  Oh.
• 1:01:35
  first name is James.
• 1:01:36
  I forget his last name even, but I'll have to go back to that.
• 1:01:40
  Wow, well thank you so much for talking to me, Molly.
• 1:01:44
  I've just adored meeting you.
• 1:01:46
  You're as promised.
• 1:01:49
  You didn't curse as much as I thought you would, but other than that, it was pretty good.
• 1:01:55
  Yeah, you can give one right now if you want.
• 1:01:57
  I fucking loved being on this show, Lauren, with you.
• 1:02:00
  fucking loved having you.
• 1:02:02
  Thanks so much, Molly.
• 1:02:04
  Take care.
• 1:02:06
  Bye bye.