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- 0:00SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Stories from the Lost and Found.
- 0:02SPEAKER_00: I'm Krishna Avalon, subconscious therapist, breakthrough coach, and acupuncturist, someone who spent 24 years helping people change from the inside out.
- 0:11SPEAKER_00: I bridge neuroscience and ancient medicine together to show you what's actually driving your life because it's almost never what's on the surface.
- 0:19SPEAKER_00: Each week we'll go deep into the patterns, wounded parts, and the real stories behind why we get stuck and how we find our way through.
- 0:26SPEAKER_00: If you're ready for honesty, depth, and tools that actually work, you're in the right place.
- 0:31SPEAKER_00: I am so glad you're here.
- 0:45SPEAKER_00: You redo the email three times before you send it, not because it's wrong, but just because it's not quite right.
- 0:54SPEAKER_00: You finish the project and feel nothing, no satisfaction, no pause, just an immediate pivot to what needs to happen next, and a quiet awareness of what you could have been better about the thing you just completed.
- 1:09SPEAKER_00: You are excellent at what you do.
- 1:11SPEAKER_00: People tell you this.
- 1:13SPEAKER_00: And somewhere in the moment they say it, there's a part of you that's already identifying the exception, the thing that they didn't see, the corner you cut, the version of this that would have been better if you'd had more time, more information, more of whatever it is that the current version is slightly lacking.
- 1:36SPEAKER_00: You can feel the standard in your body before you can articulate it in words.
- 1:40SPEAKER_00: It lives somewhere in your chest, the tightening when something's not quite right, kind of low-grade dissatisfaction that hums underneath even the good days.
- 1:51SPEAKER_00: Perhaps a vigilance that never fully switches off, even when there's nothing immediate to be vigilant about.
- 1:58SPEAKER_00: And here's what makes this one so difficult to talk about.
- 2:01SPEAKER_00: It looks like strength from the outside and often from the inside.
- 2:07SPEAKER_00: Perfectionism reads as high standards, commitment, care about quality, and the refusal to be mediocre.
- 2:16SPEAKER_00: And those things are real.
- 2:17SPEAKER_00: The perfectionist is often genuinely excellent at what she does.
- 2:22SPEAKER_00: But underneath the excellence is something that has nothing to do with quality, something that the quality is actually in service of.
- 3:59SPEAKER_00: Perfectionism is almost never about perfectionism.
- 4:03SPEAKER_00: The standards, the redoing.
- 4:24SPEAKER_00: These are behaviors, symptoms.
- 4:27SPEAKER_00: What's underneath them is a specific set of subconscious programs encoded early, running automatically, deciding the terms of your safety and your worthiness without your conscious participation.
- 4:40SPEAKER_00: And let me name them directly.
- 4:42SPEAKER_00: Notice which ones don't just make sense in your mind, but they actually are felt and register somewhere in your body.
- 4:51SPEAKER_00: My worth is conditional on my performance.
- 4:56SPEAKER_00: This is the foundation.
- 4:57SPEAKER_00: This is my value as a person.
- 5:00SPEAKER_00: My right to take up space to be loved, to belong is determined by how well I perform.
- 5:06SPEAKER_00: And performance here doesn't mean professional output.
- 5:10SPEAKER_00: It means how well you manage your emotions, how capable you appear, how little trouble you cause, how reliably you deliver, how completely you meet the standard, whatever the standard happens to be in this context.
- 5:26SPEAKER_00: This program was not reasoned into existence.
- 5:29SPEAKER_00: It was absorbed from an environment in which love, approval, or connection was reliably more available when you were performing correctly, and noticeably less available when you weren't.
- 5:41SPEAKER_00: The child's nervous system registered this correlation and drew the only conclusion available to it.
- 5:47SPEAKER_00: My worth is something I produce, not something I am.
- 5:53SPEAKER_00: And that conclusion is still running underneath every project, every moment of finishing something and reaching immediately for what's next without letting yourself land.
- 6:04SPEAKER_00: The program doesn't allow landing.
- 6:06SPEAKER_00: Landing means resting in your worth without producing anything.
- 6:11SPEAKER_00: And the subconscious doesn't know how to do that yet.
- 6:17SPEAKER_00: Good enough is never actually enough.
- 6:20SPEAKER_00: This is the program that makes perfectionism so exhausting and so unwinnable because it isn't the standard is too high, it's that the standard moves.
- 6:30SPEAKER_00: The moment you reach it, it recalibrates.
- 6:33SPEAKER_00: The moment you finish the thing that was going to be the thing, there's already a new version of the thing that would have been better.
- 6:42SPEAKER_00: And this program doesn't just apply to work, it applies to how you parent, how you show up in relationships, and how you maintain your body, how you process your emotions.
- 6:53SPEAKER_00: The subconscious running this program is not trying to make you miserable.
- 6:57SPEAKER_00: It's running a calculation that goes, if I reach this standard, I will be safe.
- 7:02SPEAKER_00: I will be enough.
- 7:04SPEAKER_00: And so it keeps reaching.
- 7:06SPEAKER_00: And the standard keeps moving because the standard was never the point.
- 7:10SPEAKER_00: Safety was the point.
- 7:12SPEAKER_00: And safety for this program is always one more achievement away.
- 7:18SPEAKER_00: If I relax my standards, everything will fall apart.
- 7:23SPEAKER_00: This is the program that makes it so hard to receive feedback about the perfectionism itself.
- 7:28SPEAKER_00: Because from the inside the system, the standard isn't the problem, the standard is the solution.
- 7:34SPEAKER_00: The standard is what's keeping everything together.
- 7:37SPEAKER_00: The standard is what produces the performance, that produces the worth, that produces the safety that the exile underneath this whole system is terrified of losing.
- 7:49SPEAKER_00: Suggesting that someone relax their standards doesn't land as helpful.
- 7:55SPEAKER_00: Advice for the perfectionist.
- 7:57SPEAKER_00: It lands as a threat because the subconscious hears it as remove the thing that's keeping you safe.
- 8:06SPEAKER_00: And the system mobilizes accordingly, more vigilance, higher bar, tighter grip.
- 8:11SPEAKER_00: The perfectionist doesn't need to be told to relax.
- 8:15SPEAKER_00: She needs the exile underneath the standard to finally feel safe enough.
- 8:19SPEAKER_00: That the standard becomes optional rather than mandatory.
- 8:24SPEAKER_00: Where do these programs come from?
- 8:27SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the developmental origin.
- 8:31SPEAKER_00: The perfectionist manager part in internal family systems, it's a manager part, almost always developed in response to a very specific relational dynamic in early life, one in which performance was reliably connected to love, approval, or safety, and falling short was connected to something between being withdrawn.
- 8:57SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's explicit, a parent whose praise was conditional and specific, like you did well, but you could have been better.
- 9:06SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's subtler, a parent who was themselves driven by perfectionism, whose own anxiety about doing things correctly transmitted to the child through words, but through the emotional atmosphere of the home.
- 9:21SPEAKER_00: A household where there was always a better way to do the thing, always a standard being applied, always a gap between what was and what should be.
- 9:31SPEAKER_00: The child absorbed this not as a lesson, but as the basic structure of how reality works.
- 9:40SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it comes from an experience of early instability, a chaotic or unpredictable environment in which doing everything correctly was the child's way of creating order.
- 9:53SPEAKER_00: And I know that this one lands so many of you.
- 9:58SPEAKER_00: If I can just be perfect enough, careful enough, excellent enough, maybe I can control what happens.
- 10:05SPEAKER_00: Maybe I can make this safe.
- 10:07SPEAKER_00: The perfectionism becomes a regulation strategy, a way to control.
- 10:14SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it comes from a single formative experience, a moment of public failure or humiliation, that the young nervous system encoded as catastrophic, and that perfectionist manager part has been working to prevent this from ever, ever happening again.
- 10:32SPEAKER_00: In every case, the subconscious drew its conclusion from the emotional facts of the environment, not from anything inherently true about the child's worth.
- 10:41SPEAKER_00: And that conclusion, my worth is conditional on my performance.
- 10:46SPEAKER_00: Good enough is never enough.
- 10:49SPEAKER_00: Mistakes are what I am.
- 10:52SPEAKER_00: This got installed, not as a belief to be examined, as a program, an imprint running underneath everything.
- 11:03SPEAKER_00: The internal family systems map.
- 11:06SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the perfectionist as a manager part and what that manager is protecting.
- 11:13SPEAKER_00: In internal family systems, the manager is one of the most sophisticated, high-functioning, socially rewarded managers in the system, the perfectionist in this situation.
- 11:27SPEAKER_00: A manager whose job is proactive, who keeps the system safe from anticipated threat before it arrives by ensuring that the performance is always at a level that can't be criticized.
- 11:44SPEAKER_00: She's not trying to make your life small.
- 11:46SPEAKER_00: She's trying to keep you safe, using the only strategies she knows, built from the only data she had in the context where the program was originally installed.
- 11:58SPEAKER_00: Understanding her job changes everything about how you relate to her.
- 12:03SPEAKER_00: The perfectionist manager runs several specific strategies simultaneously.
- 12:08SPEAKER_00: She sets the bar and moves it the moment you reach it.
- 12:11SPEAKER_00: Because her job is not to help you feel accomplished, her job is to keep you performing at a level that maintains safety.
- 12:22SPEAKER_00: She or he monitors constantly, reviewing your output, your behavior, your appearance, emotional responses, your self-development progress, for anything that falls short of the standard.
- 12:37SPEAKER_00: This monitoring happens in real time and in retrospect.
- 12:41SPEAKER_00: It is the voice in the meeting that's evaluating how you're coming across while you're still talking.
- 12:47SPEAKER_00: It is the 2 a.m.
- 12:48SPEAKER_00: review of the thing you did yesterday.
- 12:51SPEAKER_00: It's the reading of this episode right now and the part of you that is simultaneously assessing whether you're implementing it correctly.
- 13:00SPEAKER_00: She manages how you're perceived, preemptively smoothing, qualifying, over explaining, hedging.
- 13:09SPEAKER_00: Cause if she can control the frame through which others see you, she can reduce the risk of exposure.
- 13:16SPEAKER_00: And this often shows up as difficulty receiving a compliment.
- 13:21SPEAKER_00: The perfectionist manager intercepts it.
- 13:24SPEAKER_00: Thank you, but it wasn't really and then she deflects.
- 13:30SPEAKER_00: It's not false modesty, it is preemptive management of expectations.
- 13:36SPEAKER_00: And he or she punishes mistakes, not because she's cruel, but because punishment feels from inside the system like accountability, like evidence that the standard is being maintained.
- 13:51SPEAKER_00: Underneath all of this, underneath the monitoring and the bar moving, and the mistake punishment is the exile, and she's been working so hard to protect the exile.
- 14:10SPEAKER_00: The wound of conditional worth, of having learned in the most formative period of her development that who she was underneath the performance was not quite enough on its own.
- 14:23SPEAKER_00: That love, approval, connection, the things she needed most, the things we all need most were available when the performance was right, uncertain when it wasn't.
- 14:39SPEAKER_00: She is not the perfectionist manager.
- 14:41SPEAKER_00: She's a younger, quieter, more tender part.
- 14:46SPEAKER_00: She is the part that just wanted to be loved for being herself, not for what she produced.
- 14:52SPEAKER_00: And she concluded from the evidence available to her at the time, that kind of love wasn't quite an offer.
- 15:01SPEAKER_00: She stopped asking for it.
- 15:03SPEAKER_00: And then the manager stepped in with her strategies and her standards, her relentless production of worth to make sure that the exile never had to feel the pain of that conclusion again.
- 15:18SPEAKER_00: The perfectionist manager has been running ever since.
- 15:22SPEAKER_00: She's brilliant.
- 15:24SPEAKER_00: And she's exhausted.
- 15:28SPEAKER_00: Completely unwilling to stop because, from her perspective, stopping means the exile gets exposed.
- 15:34SPEAKER_00: And the exile's wound in the system's estimation is the thing the whole operation has been organized around preventing.
- 15:44SPEAKER_00: What the perfectionist manager has never been shown is self.
- 15:50SPEAKER_00: And self is already within you.
- 15:53SPEAKER_00: It is the calm, grounded, compassionate, playful, present, courageous, and open core of who you are.
- 16:03SPEAKER_00: The only thing in the system that can approach the exile without being overwhelmed by what she's carrying.
- 16:10SPEAKER_00: And in IFS, the entire framework.
- 16:13SPEAKER_00: All we're trying to do is get your parts in relationship with your self-energy.
- 16:21SPEAKER_00: The manager doesn't need to be dismantled.
- 16:24SPEAKER_00: She needs to feel that something more capable is here, that the exile can be held, that the performance is no longer the only thing standing between this system and its own collapse.
- 16:38SPEAKER_00: And when the manager feels safe, when she senses that something steady and real is present, that doesn't need the standard to be okay.
- 16:48SPEAKER_00: She can begin to step back.
- 16:51SPEAKER_00: Not because she's been argued with or ignored, but because she can finally feel that her job might not be the only thing keeping everything together.
- 17:02SPEAKER_00: When she gives space or steps back, the exile becomes accessible.
- 17:07SPEAKER_00: The young part carrying the wound of conditional worth, the one who's been there underneath all the excellence, just wanting to know what she was enough before she did anything, enough it just as she is, enough without performance.
- 17:26SPEAKER_00: And that is what self-energy can offer her.
- 17:29SPEAKER_00: Not more achievement, not a new standard, just presence, the felt experience of being met and valued in her ordinary, unperforming self.
- 17:42SPEAKER_00: And that experience is very specific and embodied.
- 17:47SPEAKER_00: It's felt, it's the beginning of the end of perfectionism as a survival strategy.
- 17:56SPEAKER_00: Internal family systems opens access to the exile underneath the perfectionist.
- 18:01SPEAKER_00: And when the manager trusts self enough to step back, the exile can be reached and witnessed.
- 18:07SPEAKER_00: When the wound of conditional worth is finally met with something that doesn't require her to perform for it, the belief that she's been carrying begins to loosen.
- 18:21SPEAKER_00: Loosening is not the same though as updating.
- 18:25SPEAKER_00: The programs running the perfectionist system, for instance, my worth is conditional on my performance.
- 18:33SPEAKER_00: Good enough is never enough.
- 18:35SPEAKER_00: Those were encoded neurologically in procedural memory, in the automatic pre-verbal architecture of how this nervous system learned to produce safety through excellence.
- 18:49SPEAKER_00: And they need to be changed at that level.
- 18:53SPEAKER_00: This is where Psyche does something that IFS alone and insight alone, it can't update, can't change.
- 19:02SPEAKER_00: Psych creates what we call a whole brain state.
- 19:05SPEAKER_00: It's a condition documented by EEG research, neuroscience, in which both hemispheres of the brain are in genuine optimal communication.
- 19:18SPEAKER_00: In that state, the subconscious becomes receptive to new information in a way that ordinary waking consciousness doesn't allow.
- 19:26SPEAKER_00: The beliefs we work with in a psychic process for the perfectionists, they might sound like I'm enough exactly as I am.
- 19:37SPEAKER_00: My worth is inherent, not produced.
- 19:41SPEAKER_00: It is safe to be imperfect and still be loved.
- 19:45SPEAKER_00: I'm allowed to rest in what I've done.
- 19:50SPEAKER_00: In an ordinary waking consciousness, those statements can feel true for a moment and dissolve the next time something goes wrong.
- 19:59SPEAKER_00: In a whole brain state, they can land where programs are imprinted and encoded in the subconscious part of your mind.
- 20:07SPEAKER_00: What changes in the body and in daily life is specific.
- 20:11SPEAKER_00: The tightening in the chest when something isn't quite right begins to have a different quality, less urgent, less catastrophic.
- 20:21SPEAKER_00: The punishing internal voice that follows an error doesn't run as long or as loud.
- 20:28SPEAKER_00: And over time, session by session, practice by practice, new experience laid over old program, something fundamental shifts in the exile.
- 20:39SPEAKER_00: The young part who concluded that her worth was contingent on her performance begins to have a different experience of what it feels like to exist, to be present in the world, to simply be without producing anything, and feel that that is enough.
- 21:00SPEAKER_00: The perfectionist is not a flaw in your character.
- 21:05SPEAKER_00: She is one of the most sophisticated protection systems a human being can develop, built from a real experience and a real environment organized around a very specific and very understandable fear.
- 21:22SPEAKER_00: And that is where this work reaches.
- 21:26SPEAKER_00: When it lands in the body, in the subconscious, at the neurological level where the program was written, the perfectionist manager finally gets to rest.
- 21:39SPEAKER_00: Not retire or go away.
- 21:43SPEAKER_00: Rest.
- 21:45SPEAKER_00: She can still care about quality.
- 21:48SPEAKER_00: She can still bring her considerable intelligence to the work, but she no longer has to carry the weight of your entire worth on the outcome.
- 21:57SPEAKER_00: And that weight was never hers to carry.
- 22:01SPEAKER_00: The work is just finally giving it somewhere to be put down.
- 22:06SPEAKER_00: If you want to begin understanding which programs are most alive in your system right now, have a free workbook you can download, krishnaavalon.com.
- 22:16SPEAKER_00: Has specific exercises designed to help you see clearly exactly what's underneath and what it's been costing your life.
- 22:25SPEAKER_00: If you like to journal, reflect, you'll love it.
- 22:29SPEAKER_00: It's beautiful.
- 22:30SPEAKER_00: Takes about 20 minutes.
- 22:31SPEAKER_00: And if you're ready, go to the root.
- 22:33SPEAKER_00: We have a free 15-minute consultation.
- 22:38SPEAKER_00: Just a real conversation about what your needs are and how you need to be met.
- 22:46SPEAKER_00: And let's close with our practice.
- 22:51SPEAKER_00: Closing your eyes if that feels right.
- 22:55SPEAKER_00: And putting a hand on your heart.
- 23:02SPEAKER_00: Taking a couple of slow deep breaths.
- 23:18SPEAKER_00: Just noticing what's alive in your system right now.
- 23:22SPEAKER_00: Could be sensations, thoughts, emotions.
- 23:32SPEAKER_00: You could just name those.
- 23:34SPEAKER_00: Name what you're feeling.
- 23:40SPEAKER_00: And notice where you feel that in your body.
- 23:49SPEAKER_00: Just really slow it down, take a couple breaths here.
- 23:55SPEAKER_00: The practice of noticing and being present.
- 24:02SPEAKER_00: And breathing.
- 24:05SPEAKER_00: Slowing it down helps your system feel safe.
- 24:13SPEAKER_00: Some of us do have parts that want to distract or hurry because being present is uncomfortable, and I want to extend a lot of compassion to those parts if they're present with you right now.
- 24:27SPEAKER_00: I've definitely had those present in my life many times.
- 24:34SPEAKER_00: Here's what you can do though.
- 24:38SPEAKER_00: You can let that part know that you see it.
- 24:44SPEAKER_00: And you understand.
- 24:54SPEAKER_00: But what you can do is ask the distraction or the part that wants to hurry, be impatient.
- 25:04SPEAKER_00: Would it be okay if you give me just a little bit of space right now?
- 25:13SPEAKER_00: So I can get to know you.
- 25:17SPEAKER_00: I can be with you.
- 25:24SPEAKER_00: Parts of us love to be validated.
- 25:30SPEAKER_00: We love to be witnessed.
- 25:42SPEAKER_00: Every part of you in your system has a role.
- 25:47SPEAKER_00: And those parts of you went into the roles to help you survive.
- 25:53SPEAKER_00: None of the parts, even the ones that are uncomfortable or self-harming.
- 25:57SPEAKER_00: They're not bad.
- 26:00SPEAKER_00: They are trying to protect you from what they believe is a deeper pain and a deeper wound.
- 26:06SPEAKER_00: Today we talked about the perfectionist.
- 26:11SPEAKER_00: Perhaps that part of you lives somewhere within your body.
- 26:17SPEAKER_00: And if it does, notice where that is.
- 26:25SPEAKER_00: See if you can connect to some curiosity and openness.
- 26:34SPEAKER_00: If you feel present, if you're able to be in this moment, let's grow upon that, okay?
- 26:40SPEAKER_00: Taking a couple deep breaths.
- 26:44SPEAKER_00: Feeling presence.
- 26:49SPEAKER_00: Just really trying to introduce the system to you, the language, ways of communicating with your parts that are respectful and help them feel validated and seen.
- 27:02SPEAKER_00: Couple of main pieces of IFS is to really slow down, to try to connect to self-energy.
- 27:15SPEAKER_00: Again, open, curious, playful.
- 27:19SPEAKER_00: Loving, compassionate, wise, any of these that are available, connecting to that, and taking a couple deep breaths into any of those qualities that are available.
- 27:35SPEAKER_00: They are already within you.
- 27:39SPEAKER_00: Sometimes our parts are just so extreme that we can be more parts-led.
- 27:47SPEAKER_00: But what IFS does is it helps us get in relationship with our parts.
- 27:54SPEAKER_00: And when that happens, we become more self-led because the parts can relax, they can start to trust and know you.
- 28:02SPEAKER_00: And they understand that there's something more capable, present.
- 28:11SPEAKER_00: Extending so much love to your system, openness and curiosity.
- 28:20SPEAKER_00: Noticing where a part of you might exist or land or be felt in your body, and just extending self-energy.
- 28:37SPEAKER_00: That's what we're doing right now.
- 28:40SPEAKER_00: And even if you just do this, it is very powerful, very potent.
- 28:49SPEAKER_00: It's very loving, healing, gentle.
- 28:53SPEAKER_00: And it matters.
- 28:55SPEAKER_00: Really, really matters.
- 29:00SPEAKER_00: You're noticing what you feel, where you feel it.
- 29:06SPEAKER_00: And you're extending any qualities of self to that part of you.
- 29:11SPEAKER_00: Letting it know, hey, I see you.
- 29:14SPEAKER_00: You're not alone.
- 29:17SPEAKER_00: I'm right here with you.
- 29:27SPEAKER_00: You could do this as many times a day as you can.
- 29:31SPEAKER_00: Whenever you think about it, could be as long as we just sat here together, could even just be for a few seconds.
- 29:39SPEAKER_00: It's like you're just letting this part of you know that you see it.
- 29:47SPEAKER_00: You're here with it.
- 29:49SPEAKER_00: You want to know it more.
- 29:52SPEAKER_00: It's not alone.
- 29:57SPEAKER_00: It is an absolute honor to offer this framework to you.
- 30:04SPEAKER_00: I have seen miraculous things happen doing this work.
- 30:11SPEAKER_00: I'm obsessed.
- 30:15SPEAKER_00: And then often when I'm working with a client, at the end of a session, we might start with IFS, and then we might end with transforming subconscious stress around what a part experience is.
- 30:32SPEAKER_00: Or we might just work with subconscious stress and not use IFS at all.
- 30:38SPEAKER_00: But this meditation is very IFS.
- 30:42SPEAKER_00: It's the language of IFS, the way of being with these parts of us and getting these parts in relationship with self.
- 30:51SPEAKER_00: Sending so much love, compassion, and care to all of you who listen.
- 30:56SPEAKER_00: If this was helpful, please send it to someone that you know who could use it.
- 31:04SPEAKER_00: There are other solo episodes where we go into other parts that many of us deal with.
- 31:10SPEAKER_00: I invite you to listen to those.
- 31:14SPEAKER_00: And if this lands for you, the next episode I'll be talking about self and self-like parts.
- 31:30SPEAKER_00: That's a wrap on today's episode of Stories from the Lost and Found.
- 31:34SPEAKER_00: If something here resonated with you, the best thing you can do is share it.
- 31:38SPEAKER_00: Send this to someone who really needs to hear it.
- 31:40SPEAKER_00: And if you are ready to go deeper, I would love to support you.
- 31:43SPEAKER_00: Download my free workbook.
- 31:44SPEAKER_00: It walks you through your own subconscious blocks.
- 31:47SPEAKER_00: You can find that link in the show notes.
- 31:49SPEAKER_00: Or if you're ready for a real shift, book a free strategy call and let's figure out what is keeping you from moving forward.
- 31:55SPEAKER_00: I'll see you next week.
- 31:57SPEAKER_00: Your next breakthrough is closer than you think.