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Spider-Noir (Episodes 3 & 4) · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh God. We need a cold open. I got a cold open
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for us. Give it a beat. Oh, okay. Well then we
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don't need one. Is it a tombstone joke? What's
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what's cold? I don't know. I mean, this is episode,
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we're doing episode, we're doing the second episode
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now, right? Well, yeah. Second episode, episode
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three and four. Episode two, three and four,
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go. We need a cold open to our episode, which
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is this. I just learned this weird fact. Camille
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Nagyane doesn't have nipples. What? He was born
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without nipples. What? Haven't I seen him shirtless
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a bunch? Do they give him nipples? Do they nipple
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him? I don't think we've seen him shirtless that
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much. I'm googling this. It was on Taskmaster
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this week. The task was to unnecessarily censor
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something. So he cut the nipple spot off his
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shirt and censored it. And the joke was, I don't
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have nipples. So one, I'm a man. You don't need
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to censor my tits. And two, there's nothing to
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censor. Weird. Yeah. Doesn't have nipples. Are
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you fact -checking this? Yes. Why would I lie
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about this? I don't know. That's a good question.
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Why would you lie about this? I'm not implying
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that you're lying about this. I'm implying that
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something you heard on Taskmaster might not necessarily
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have been a fact. What is prevented in this entertainment?
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He's the one who said he doesn't have nipples.
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He was the one telling the story. The perfect
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person to make up the lie. I say a lot of things,
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too. I mean, like, I'm looking at a picture of
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him with nipples. yeah because he got super jacked
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i feel like he showed a bunch of marvel pics
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where he had and now i'm wondering if they gave
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him fake nips but well here's older like side
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by sides yeah he's got nipples i think his nipples
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might just be misplaced i'm looking at a lot
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of photos of kumail nanjiani's nipples so obviously
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we're here to talk about episodes three and four
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of spider noir welcome back and if this is your
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first episode listening to us what the fuck are
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you doing Welcome back to HageMatch colon roundabout
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way of meeting Nicholas Gage. I'm your host Sean
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here with my co -host. Nipples. And our producer.
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Peter, hello. None of us have nipples. Fact check
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it. Nipples are a lie. They're a lie put on us
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by Big Nipple. Big Nipple. Yeah. nobody's born
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with nipples they do that to you when you're
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a baby yeah they add them in you come out they
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spank you and they give you a titty twister and
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what's left over is the nipple yeah and see if
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you're a boy and you get circumcised that's how
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they build the nipple material oh they just put
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the foreskin i don't know what they did for you
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sean this this would explain why why it's all
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areola and no nip maybe that's maybe that's his
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thing maybe he just has areolas maybe he just
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doesn't have the nubs because i don't have the
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nubs maybe that's what he's talking about Okay.
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Back to Google. Nick is back on his phone. Enhance.
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Zoom in. Yeah. Episode three and four of Spider
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Noir. It's still good. Still good. I think there's
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a hint of shadow underneath that one. There must
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be a nipple. So episode three. This is the rest
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of Nick's episode. Episode three for me, it like
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maybe lost my attention. a little bit more than
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the first two had held it but it ends really
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strong i i still think it was good but it was
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one of those like oh no am i did i just like
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really love the first two um but then i got sucked
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back in because there's a lot of good silvermane
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shit and silvermane's a good bad guy there's
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a lot of good silvermane shit we get a little
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bit more of in these two episodes we get a little
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bit more of like ben being a little weird being
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a little quirky um there was one scene that i
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really wanted to pay off more that i don't think
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is coming back it's just like nick cage being
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nick cage but there's like there's a scene where
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ben's killing time and he goes to like see a
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gangster movie and he's just repeating the lines
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back and i'm like cool is that why he fucking
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talks that way and no one else does because he's
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trying to be a hard -boiled detective And I don't
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think that's the joke. I don't think that's the
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rub. And I really want it to be because I just
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want some reason why he's like this. Sure. Yeah.
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What were 30s movies like at the time? Did they
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have hardboiled detective flicks or was it like,
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hey, this one is train? Yeah. It's a train coming
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at you. I Googled this. So the first talk he
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was in, the first talk he was in 27. okay all
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right so this is 30s you know yeah so it wasn't
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train it was beyond that yeah it wasn't just
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like a building falling around one guy you know
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the classics yeah i do love a good buster keaton
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though buster keaton is great i thought johnny
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knoxville almost died johnny knoxville almost
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died from a building buster keaton style falling
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on him yes uh the end of jackass 2 there's a
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musical number where like uh they do like the
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buster keaton like building fall and it like
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just goes right on johnny and the first took
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take the first take they took uh he was like
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getting ready and they were like what no matter
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what you do do not move from that spot um or
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you will die and then They're like, OK, wait,
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no, we have to reset. And he took a step. But
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somebody already like released the building.
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Oh, no. Collapsed on him. Wow. That's fucking
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terrifying. I am. I. To prepare for the final
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jackass film, I've gone back and watched the
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first two. And I'm just like, one, I'm older
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now and it just looks painful. It doesn't look
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funny anymore. No. I also did a lot of gross
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shit that I also just like. Why? Like Steve -O,
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Steve -O, like snorting like straight wasabi.
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I'm like. Yeah, it's it's a lot of suffering
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that I feel like they just don't need to put
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themselves through. Also, what the fuck happened
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to Steve -O's voice? Have you heard him? Yeah.
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He's got RFK voice for sure. it's weird i don't
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like it i do appreciate that steve -o got like
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a portrait of himself tattooed on his back i
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do like that too nobody's got a cooler portrait
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tattoo than roger stone what he's got like a
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maybe larger than life size tattoo of richard
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nixon yeah like between his shoulder blades whoa
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yeah he's just got a big old richard nixon just
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the head fucking jowls galore yeah giant just
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a giant dick on his back yeah exactly roger stone
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is the one person from the uh the trump atmosphere
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that i'm sad we don't have more of like of all
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the people that we got left with i know we got
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like a lot of stephen miller yeah we get fucking
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nosferatu and rfk and all these like kind of
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idiots and whatever oh yeah it's a little smaller
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than life size but um okay yeah that is so weird
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but this legitimate like villain we don't get
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enough of like he top hat like round black like
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yeah glasses richard nixon tattoo well okay so
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this this episode we get we get more we're silvermane
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shit and i think he does a good job being a fucking
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villain yeah he's just he's he's a really really
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effective villain but he's also like sort of
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weirdly humanized in this episode like you can
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tell that he's almost afraid or something like
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he sleeps in that giant bed but he looks kind
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of like a baby oh yeah yeah yeah i don't know
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i like him i think brennan gleason's fucking
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awesome though i liked when he looked underneath
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the bed yeah this episode he hires Ben to like
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try and figure out who's trying to kill him because
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he can't trust his own his own goons yeah find
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the rat yeah yeah find the rat and then yeah
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Ben as I mistakenly assumed in the first two
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episodes like figures out he's marking all his
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money so the spider breaks into Silvermane's
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apartment to deal some money and a really cool
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use of the spider sense to like trigger the tumblers
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yeah with the tumblers yeah that was cool backing
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up a little bit uh ben goes to find fire boy's
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wife what was uh addison addison's wife because
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he because he wants to figure out who put the
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hit out on silvermane turns out it's felicia
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um cat hardy cat hardy felicia hardy i'm gonna
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get confused with spider -man lore here but cat
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hardy um but He doesn't want Kat to take the
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fall. So Addison's wife's like, well, you know,
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unless you pay me a thousand dollars, I'm just
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going to tell Silverman and get the money myself.
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So he needs a thousand dollars. So I assumed
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he was just going to steal a thousand dollars
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when he breaks in and takes the money. But he's
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actually taking the money to set up Winston.
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I don't know that he knew that it was like marked
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for Winston's money. Did he? Well, he knew the
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money. He marks it himself. Well, Winston gives
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him money. He knows that the money is marked.
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Yeah, he takes the bribe from Winston. So he
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just marks it in the same spot that Winston's
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bills were marked. OK, that's pretty fucking
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clever. Now, whether he knows that as Silvermane
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gives up later that he marks everybody's bills
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differently. Right. Like that, he wouldn't have
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known. But he did know that the bills were marked.
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He saw how they were marked with. Just like a
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little point of ink on it. I thought that was
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so clever. Just the fact that, yeah, he Winston
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comes up to him. He says he like gets Winston
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to bribe him so he could check the money, sees
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that it's marked, goes and steals money, checks
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that the bills aren't marked and then marks them
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in the way that Winston would. So if he later
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gets caught, he could say that, you know, Winston
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was the rat, which is what happens. Yeah. By
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the way, again, this is episode two of our four
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episode. there's eight episodes for spotting
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war yes yeah so in our four episode arc uh full
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spoilers because we don't yeah right good call
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yeah i mean if you're coming into episode two
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talking about three and four and you didn't listen
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to episode one talking about one and two where
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we disclose that we're gonna yeah it's your own
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fault like that's weird i mean it might be someone's
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first episode you never know that'd be so weird
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but if so welcome yeah thanks for listening yeah
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my name is nipples Here with my co -host, Chon.
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Did you say Chon? Yes. We've been doing this
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too long. I know. So I think this episode sort
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of it plays up a little bit more about the like
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the interrelationships that are going on with
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this. Like Cat Hardy wants to kill Silvermane
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because he owns the club and. basically controls
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her life right it's her owns her yeah she whatever
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he has on her there's like a scene where she's
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putting on a dress and she's like i don't even
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know if i like it basically is what she's saying
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he's like great box it up you know it's time
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to go you know and he's her doll he's her playtime
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exactly winston really nails it with the uh seems
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like there's better things that we could be doing
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with our time than playing dress up with dolls
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yeah i don't like that guy's face at all but
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i do like some of his lines yeah his character
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is pretty good pretty good so for for henchmen
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not bad upper tier henchmen yeah not bad yeah
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who's your favorite who's your favorite henchman
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in just media oh like all -time henchman all
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-time goon all -time like who is it i don't mind
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oh man are we gonna have the same one i hope
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we have the same one Well, I mean, it's a real
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tough one. Well, I can't remember his number
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from Venture Brothers. Venture Brothers. He's
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a good one, but I don't know. It might be, boy,
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Beastman's a really good one from He -Man. Yeah.
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That's a good Benjamin. And Starscream. Starscream's
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a great one. You're all wrong, whatever you say,
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because I'm going to tell you it is. It's Bob.
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It's Bob from Batman 89. No lines, just. joker's
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right hand man bob's pretty good oh yeah i mean
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bob like hydra bob's pretty good too oh yeah
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fucking batman 89 uh there was a bob action figure
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he had a little hat i had it it was great hell
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yeah yeah great i miss the i miss the era of
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just like tie -in action figures uh toyetic shit
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so good yeah so uh winston pretty decent henchman
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I forgot where we were in all this. Well, so
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then the whole episode is kind of about these
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these interpersonal relationships. So like Flint
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Marco and Kat Hardy are like kind of a thing.
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Yeah. I mean, they definitely have like a sexual
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vibe. Yeah. And maybe they're in love with each
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other. But like like she was ready to run away
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with him. But that could have also just been
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because she was ready to run away. And yeah,
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I couldn't quite get the vibe if she was playing
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sexuality. on him in that way or if it was like
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oh i actually really like this guy i think cat
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is manipulative enough are we doing this are
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we doing this chronologically are we talking
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just episode three right now or yeah yeah yeah
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discuss four as well i mean we'll get into it
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too but i because i think all these all these
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things that play out in three are for setting
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up stuff in four the thing i want to talk about
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is very specific to episode four so okay yeah
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we'll get to that we'll loop back to cat and
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relationships then uh but yeah so she tried to
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get flint to like run away with her which leads
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to her being at penn station but he doesn't show
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yeah flint has an episode and he's like i'm dangerous
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and he like runs away i'm too sandy all these
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we haven't really addressed all these powered
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people. They seem to have like a half life where
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like the powers are starting to like take over
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and it's, it's, uh, probably going to kill them.
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Yeah. So it looks worse now. Yes. More trouble
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bumps, like putting the power away. Yeah, basically.
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So, uh, but cat, like, uh, when she's running
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away, when Ben like confronts her, um, she gives
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this great speech about how like you know silvermane
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just wants to like keep her um and she's just
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ultimately tired of just men making decisions
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for like marco won't be with her because like
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you know he's afraid she'll get hurt and she's
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just like i just want to make my own decision
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i'm gonna leave town and do that of course winston
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tracked ben down and like caught them both yeah
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winston had been tailing ben and ben led him
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to at penn station yeah so they're now both hemmed
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up with addison's wife oh yeah right so climax
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of this episode is the like big who's the rat
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yeah situation there's a shallow grave already
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dug yeah out in the out in the woods uh winston
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takes uh cat and ben and still remains there
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and he he has some questions and It comes down
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to like, oh, who's the rat? And Nick Cage is
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like, well, I don't have all the information
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yet. See? And then Winston's all like, I got
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the answers and here's this. And it just kind
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of alludes back to a speech that Ben gave to
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Silvermane about people who claim to have all
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the right answers. And you see it kind of click
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with Silvermane. Yeah. And then it's like, oh,
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well, let's see that money. because ben paid
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addison with the marked bills yeah winston shook
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down addison took the money and used that as
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proof that ben and cat were bribing other people
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but all the money said was that was money that
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should have been paid to winston so winston gets
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shot yep plugged right in the gut and then we
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get like falls directly into the grave tight
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get a little cliffy get a cliffy with the gun
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we get we get the line read of like uh silvermane
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telling ben to like dig another hole and then
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we see we see we see the shot happened hard cut
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to cat and ben in the club the next night so
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clearly neither one of them is dead uh cut into
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episode four when this happens and then we cut
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back to the night before and nameless faceless
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goon who was winston's like sidekick is the one
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who got shot so Lazy transition there. Lazy.
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Yeah, I agree. I mean, it feels like what you
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would do for a TV cliffhanger. You know, it's
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fine. Maybe it would have worked if this was
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released weekly, but it's not. That is true.
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I mean, when you can easily just roll in 30 or,
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you know, 20 seconds after the episode ends.
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Yeah, you don't have to wait a week. Right. Who
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was it? Did they shoot Kat? Nope. How is Ben
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going to get out? Yeah. Does this is the spider
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power? I mean, but then we never see Addison's
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wife again. So could it just been her and we'd
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actually known her name? Yeah. Well, her name
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is Vera, but it was Vera. But it was also just
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weird that it was just the other goon who was
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there. Yeah. Yeah. Whose name apparently was
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Gio. There you go. Who knew? Yeah. Thanks, Internet.
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Yeah. Was episode three where he shows up really
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drunk to the office? Or was that episode four?
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Let's see. No, that's episode four because that's
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the start of four. Oh, okay. The start of four
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is when Silvermane, because they solved it, they
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figured out who the rat was. So they have a night
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of drinking. Yeah, and Silvermane can fucking
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put one on. Dude. when it's so back in episode
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three when silvermane hires him and cage pours
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him that whiskey every time gleason takes a drink
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of it his face is just so good it's absolutely
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like garbage whiskey he's just like yes when
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he finally pours him like a good one yeah it's
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like that's what a whiskey is yeah yeah i'm drinking
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some yellow spot i feel like the best kind of
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villains are the ones that you're like i like
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you even though i know you're a like murderous
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piece of shit yeah you know like i want to fucking
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hang out with silvermane yeah your character
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is not so far removed from my reality that i
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can't get behind what's happening uh yeah i i
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like that and then yes he gets to come back to
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the office just housed and you get Just the silhouette
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of him through his window, like dropping things,
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trying to drop in the keys like 14 times. And
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then when. Yeah. And then when Robbie's leaving
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the office, like drops his coat, drops his hands
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like, who am I? That's a good burn. Yeah. I love
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the line. He's like, I need scrambled eggs and
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sausages and a biscuit. Yeah. We also get Robbie
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going to. Harlem to try and track down um Lonnie
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boy Lonnie um and then at the end I think it's
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the end of episode three we get the raid on the
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Hooverville and uh Marco and Lonnie like beat
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up some cops and Robbie gets the photos yeah
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you're you're right because that's when that's
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when his article comes out and it's like yeah
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you know monsters are among us or whatever menace
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like monsters menace manhattan or something yeah
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i mean you got to go with the alliteration right
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yeah and that's what we find out like and he's
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trying to get his like desk job back and we we
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learned that at the height of robbie's career
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it's because he was writing about the spider
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because he had the inside scoop and since the
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spider's been mia for five years robbie's career
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has tanked yeah yeah because robbie's been the
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one who's been most adamant that the spider should
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come back and you know maybe it's for some selfish
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reasons because robbie's life ain't great right
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now sure so yeah he he encounters lani bumpy
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boy tombstone um by following a unhoused guy
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who has like a special knock to hand off some
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food yep at this old theater and then convinces
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him that he's like on the right side of it then
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they get him back to uh cage's office right yeah
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and they start playing cards with him and trying
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to get some more information out of him but earlier
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in the episode there's this whole scene where
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um cat and ben are hanging out in this old theater
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which has also been a spot where flint marco
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has like hid hidden himself for a while and they're
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having kind of like an intimate conversation
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we start to get more of that like relationship
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crisscross stuff you know where it's like Are
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they into each other? You know, is she playing
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him? Is he actually attracted to her? And Flint
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sees the whole thing, which drives him to go
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back to Silvermane. He sees the whole thing.
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And also Kat admits that she, you know, she finally
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admits that she's the one who is trying to get
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Silvermane killed because she's trying to get
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her own freedom as well. Right. So she is actually
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the traitor, which, you know, Marco also finds
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out. Yeah. And he's a super loyal guy. That's
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like. From episode one, they've hammered that
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one. He's loyal, ultra loyal. So yeah, he goes
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back to Silvermane. He's all sandy. Clearly is
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like losing control of it more and more. And
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Kat is hiding out at Ben's. Because she doesn't
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want to be alone. And that's when she starts
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kind of putting the moves on him. And this is
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what I was alluding to earlier. I liked that
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scene too. he's like she's like can i have a
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drink he's like yeah i've got two glasses but
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one of them's dirty i guess i'll drink out of
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that one i like how he calls it like uh what
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is it like a used glass yeah one of them is used
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yeah i'll use i'll drink from that one well because
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he says he only has one glass then he looks and
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he says well i have another glass but it's used
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yeah it's a used pickle but this is what i was
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alluding to earlier is like i buy cat and ben's
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like romance a little more because i assume she's
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fucking with him like she's the femme fatale
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like she's gonna double cross him in the end
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so yeah like i don't need to buy that as a legitimate
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romantic like entanglement because she's just
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trying to get something out of him yeah it feels
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like she's manipulating yeah you know he's a
23:42
mark right he's he's like a lonely guy who feels
23:45
bad because he was the cause of his fiance's
23:48
death yeah directly or indirectly you know do
23:53
like when like he she asked him like why he's
23:56
helping her why he's like doing all this and
23:58
he like it says talks about you know um what
24:02
had happened we do get a cut of the car drowning
24:06
scene but replace that as the central focus of
24:11
that nice nice little touch i just also am so
24:14
enamored with the backlit spider -man like underwater
24:17
like reaching I love that. I like his glowy eyes.
24:22
I was just going to say, when he breaks into
24:25
Silvermane's place, he always gets a of the eyes
24:29
lighting up. Yeah, it's cool. And the shots where
24:32
it's just the eyes in the shadows and you don't
24:35
see any of the silhouette. Or when Silvermane
24:40
makes a noise or whatever and he shuts them off
24:43
and then they just turn on elsewhere in a shadow.
24:46
Yeah, it's cool. On a ceiling or something. It's
24:49
really well done. OK, so this is this is going
24:51
to be one of those just weird. It's a me thing
24:53
that bothers me. It's a me. Sean. Sean. This
24:58
is going to be one of those weird like just I
25:00
know continuity wise it works, but costuming
25:03
I I don't think anyone would notice or think
25:07
too much about it. I hate the fact that they
25:10
didn't just like give him a slightly bigger hat
25:12
for when he has the mask on because the hat sits
25:14
so weird on the mask. it like the hat fits nick
25:19
cage's head the hat does not fit nick cage's
25:21
head with like a wool mask over it you gotta
25:24
think about going to a haberdasher and being
25:26
like okay i understand that my head is this big
25:29
because you just measured it but i need a hat
25:31
that's like a lot bigger but also it's just like
25:35
it's for a friend yeah if just costuming this
25:38
show if they just got a hat that fit the mask
25:42
i don't think anyone would pay that much attention
25:44
to it no one would care No, you wouldn't think
25:46
about it twice. Again, this is just because I'm
25:49
an artist, because I draw shit. I'm just like,
25:52
I want that to just fit better. And it annoys
25:54
me that it's just precariously just Velcro to
25:57
this to this mask. Yeah, that's fair. So let's
26:03
see. There's another conflict. There's the mayor.
26:06
There's that whole antic. So the mayor is trying
26:08
to win people back over to his side because it's
26:10
a reelection. But nobody likes him because he
26:12
sucks. silver main got him elected initially
26:15
um but he's outstayed his use and silver main's
26:19
got a new pony in the stable and the mayor's
26:22
like nope i'm gonna like the mayor's making a
26:25
power play uh silver main's waiting for the chief
26:28
of police to like show up for his like monthly
26:30
like tide tithe and doesn't show up because he's
26:33
out with the mayor and uh silver main comes in
26:36
like kind of blows up their spot and tries to
26:39
like throw his muscle around I do like when he
26:43
shows up at the mayor's table and the mayor like
26:45
tells his wife to like go powder her nose and
26:46
she's just like, get fucked. I know. I love that.
26:51
Yeah. So they have some words and then Tombstone
26:54
breaks the table. Sandman, Sandy, Sandy, Mandy.
26:58
I love when I love Silvermane. I love Silvermane
27:02
and the mayor bickering like an old married couple
27:04
and just the awkward like police chief just be
27:07
like, I'm going to go. It's like, no, you stay
27:11
right down. yeah so it's in these conversations
27:16
this episode that we get uh the connection that
27:21
like the mayor tipped off uh the police chief
27:25
to go do that and like told him to go do the
27:28
raid so it was like the mayor trying to put silvermane
27:32
down on the the whiskey smuggling right um well
27:36
because the mayor thinks he'll be able to win
27:38
re -election on his own by overturning prohibition
27:41
and silvermane makes most of his money on booze
27:44
booze which is again a great like just narrative
27:48
thread throughout all of this like yeah it's
27:49
good it's really solid tightly written show i
27:52
really appreciate it yeah so then ben and cat
27:55
are hanging out at the apartment getting horny
27:57
with each other and then on the radio they hear
28:00
an announcement that there's a super doing some
28:03
shit down in the diamond district yep so cat
28:06
immediately assumes it's flint and ben pretends
28:11
like he doesn't give a shit so she's like you
28:12
are a fucking coward yeah and leaves and then
28:15
he instantly gets into action it's like the second
28:18
his door closes he's like yeah spiders out and
28:22
then it's megawatt yeah a big big chubby guy
28:26
yeah okay i i absolutely love this version of
28:30
electro um because one big chubby guy but also
28:34
this is one of the one of the few characters
28:36
actors like really understood the assignment
28:38
oh yeah i agree this guy goes big he he feels
28:43
like he is from the 30s he is a caricature it's
28:47
great i like we get our first like legit like
28:52
super powered fight um we get to see the spider
28:55
in action for an extended scene it's a lot of
28:59
fun yeah he's slow he's he's out of practice
29:02
this show makes me think of nick did you ever
29:05
read spider -man reign spider -man reign uh no
29:08
it is like what what would be like a 60 year
29:12
old peter parker there's a lot of that in this
29:15
which i'm really appreciating just that you know
29:18
i love i love me an old superhero i love me an
29:21
old superhero is just like i got a bad back this
29:23
is a this is another example of where the true
29:26
hue i think actually works a little bit better
29:28
the electric powers don't look as good in black
29:32
and white as far as i could say yeah i i enjoyed
29:36
it in black and white because i like the contrast
29:37
of it uh i think that's one of the things about
29:40
the black and white that uh i like about the
29:43
effects like with the weapon the the electricity
29:46
and everything it just pops out more and it makes
29:50
the style more stylized the best shot is when
29:54
he puts his finger in the water and it shoots
29:56
that yeah current across that's that's pretty
29:58
tight but some of the ones where it's like arcing
30:00
up his body look a little bit better okay yeah
30:03
i haven't watched these ones in color yeah so
30:05
i mean you i don't think you need to i think
30:07
that it really truly does look best in black
30:10
and white but those are the times where i'm like
30:11
oh okay i can't see why that's a benefit so yeah
30:14
he he drains that guy's battery and he goes down
30:17
hard pretty pretty well done too i like the way
30:20
he works it out yeah and we got a proper like
30:23
spider -man you know out thinking a stronger
30:26
opponent he's just like exactly you know this
30:28
person needs to charge up to fight if i just
30:30
like egg them on and like have them waste energy
30:33
i can take him out in the end hits him with a
30:36
big metal sign love that um cat like cat and
30:41
uh the spider share share a glance uh during
30:46
the fight yeah and the mayor comes over right
30:49
afterwards and is like we did it together we're
30:50
a team yeah not a team not a team and robbie's
30:54
just there and like i'm gonna get front page
30:57
and ben's like no no god damn it robbie don't
31:03
do it robbie and then we get ben getting back
31:07
home and this is where we see a lot of the kind
31:09
of silent movie like acting of nick cage where
31:13
he's like i guess trying to stretch out after
31:15
like having a row and we get just the most like
31:18
awkward flailing body cracking scene i've ever
31:26
seen it's so good yeah it's so good trying to
31:29
work out i can't even like somewhere you just
31:32
have to see it it's just fucking funny it's like
31:36
every little bit of him doing it he's doing it
31:38
with his legs he's doing it with his whole body
31:40
it's just fucking funny it was a it was good
31:42
during the uh electro fight though is when we
31:46
get the return of the couple that he had to break
31:50
into their apartment and like the husband just
31:52
like i think he's too old i don't i don't think
31:54
he's got it anymore and the wife's like he still
31:56
got it and then as soon as the fight's over the
31:58
husband's like i told you he still got it yeah
32:01
just gives him that withering look yeah um it's
32:04
just classic 1930s just man superiority but like
32:10
cat like shows up back at uh ben's apartment
32:14
and like alluding to knowing something and ben's
32:18
like trying to play coy but poorly and i absolutely
32:22
love this scene where she pulls the uh it's it's
32:26
well done 1970s fucking uh gwen stacy lowis lane
32:30
where she's just like i'm gonna just throw myself
32:33
off a building and see what happens and uh he
32:36
he he webs her up yeah that was pretty cool i
32:40
did like that i do when she's getting like like
32:45
brought back up and her like arms are just hanging
32:47
her head's hung back it's like her legs are webbed
32:50
up and her tits are webbed up yeah yeah i knew
32:54
it wasn't gonna happen but i was uh part of me
32:57
was like is is this gonna be a gwen stacy is
33:00
he gonna webber and then just snap her back and
33:02
haul her corpse back up it's like no witnesses
33:08
terrible yeah but no i and you know that and
33:11
and it ends with them like awkward old man kiss
33:14
yeah when i talked in the last uh part where
33:18
i was talking about how just like we need to
33:19
stop like matching like an elderly nick cage
33:24
up with younger women this is the one situation
33:26
where i'm like it works because she's clearly
33:28
using him like yeah it should have been like
33:31
dream scenario where he then just farts and then
33:33
comes in his pants yeah there's webs everywhere
33:37
yeah oh my god his web shooters are all over
33:43
not just wrist so i mean that's the end of the
33:47
episode it's a good way to go out on it um i
33:49
think the only thing that we didn't touch on
33:50
is uh so there's a bumpy boy lonnie tombstone
33:54
he's he's talking to janet and robbie and he
33:58
reveals at some point he says oh we probably
33:59
need to talk to doc faber about that so there's
34:03
obviously like some other layer that they're
34:05
going to reveal in the next episode or so that
34:08
we have not watched and did you guys watch more
34:09
yet i've not watched more yet um so yeah i'm
34:12
looking forward to figuring out you know some
34:14
more of the mysteries there but i think it's
34:16
cool like this has done a good job of putting
34:18
multiple different layers on top of each other
34:21
that are all tied together of course but I think
34:24
the only mystery like hanging mystery right now,
34:27
like big thing that I think we're going to really
34:30
need to explore more is I think Ben was the one
34:33
who pointed out like they wouldn't have been
34:35
like all those guys wouldn't have been together
34:37
in a company because they would have been segregated.
34:39
And I think Janet mentioned something like when
34:42
he says they would have was a POW camp. Like
34:44
I think Janet makes some mention to like if it
34:47
was like the same that he was in or like that
34:49
he'd been in one as well. So clearly there was.
34:52
nazi experimentation or that's definitely what
34:55
was sort of implied so far yeah so they i don't
34:59
think they said anything about ben reilly being
35:01
in a pw camp that came from robbie uh when they
35:05
were playing cards robbie said that he was his
35:09
father was yeah his father that's right um but
35:13
yeah janet mentioned that uh cage was also like
35:18
he served and he was in germany but uh not yeah
35:22
okay not up here we've also seen the trailer
35:26
where we see like weird stuff so i might be complaining
35:29
there's some body horror shit that i think we're
35:31
getting into pretty soon yeah yeah i mean it's
35:34
right there in the intro yeah so with the theme
35:36
song yeah by kirby kirby that was another way
35:40
when i started watching uh the first episode
35:42
again or in true hue as soon as we got to the
35:46
opening credits and they were in black and white
35:47
that was just like this is how it's meant to
35:49
be watched yeah yeah i mean like it is it's meant
35:52
to be black and white but it's provided in color
35:55
for people who need that i don't see color though
35:58
like we also i'm woke um we also missed one of
36:05
my favorite scenes uh where um it's the it's
36:10
the scene where uh ben goes to break into silverman's
36:13
office but he knows he's being tailed uh so he
36:16
has the kid on an apple box wearing his hat and
36:20
his jacket just, like, stumbling around with,
36:23
like, his... You know that kid got drunk. Yeah.
36:26
With a tumbler of whiskey. Pretending to be Ben,
36:30
doing the old Home Alone, like, silhouette window.
36:34
He hasn't left his place all night. Okay. This
36:38
is one of the few times we have good kid. I know.
36:40
I agree. Yeah, he's a good kid. So at this point,
36:43
you guys feel gripped? Yeah. You're into it?
36:46
Yeah, I'm into it. I like this a lot. I do, too.
36:49
when we get to the end of this series i want
36:50
to have a conversation a longer conversation
36:52
about like it but i'm just i do worry at times
36:55
doing like something something like this that
36:58
i've ruined myself to like be able to actually
37:01
enjoy stuff like this because i'm just like i've
37:03
watched so much nick cage would i enjoy this
37:06
more if i if i haven't maybe yeah if it's weird
37:10
to think like would i like this if i wasn't in
37:14
like the full grips of a nicholas cage stockholm
37:16
syndrome like what is my life like it's a fair
37:20
question i think we should unpack that at the
37:22
end but yeah that was what i was getting to is
37:25
like i want to have we'll have to pay a therapist
37:27
to flex at us while we consider this exactly
37:30
i i can you know i can see if kirby wants to
37:33
come on yeah the only guest we actually have
37:37
to pay exactly normally our guests pay us Yeah,
37:44
I think that's good. I think we'll be back, you
37:46
know, to review the next two episodes and then
37:49
we'll finish it all off. And then back to our
37:51
regularly scheduled crap. Yeah, back to regular
37:54
schedule after that where we'll have Daryl on.
37:56
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