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UNLOCKED! The Craft (1996) · Camp Classics

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Oh, hi, it's. Crystal here, just coming to at
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the top of the episode with a couple bits of business.
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Firstly, this episode is about four days late.
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I'm sorry, to be honest with you.
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I was busy drinking margaritas in Puerto Vallarta, which isn't
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a good excuse, but it is an excuse.
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It also explains why I sound like I've been dragged through a
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Bush. Please.
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Please Gaze, they're trying to murder me.
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Hope the spiders were worth it mom, they were second bit of
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business. This episode is actually our
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first ever Gatreon episode, which we are unlocking today for
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the main feed. So if you are a Gatreon
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subscriber and you've already heard this episode, I'm very
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sorry that you're not getting any new content this week.
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But please enjoy the warm, smug feeling of letting Baby and I
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take a couple weeks off from recording.
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Thanks Syphilis, and for letting me specifically spend some time
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taking thirst traps in a pool. There's not going to be a.
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Swimming pool, you stupid. Slut your support makes that
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happen and we appreciate it so much but we do have a packed
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recording schedule, so lots of fresh camp classics for the main
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feed and the Gatreon are on the way and the final bit of
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business. This episode was recorded in
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person and as I said, it was one of our very first episodes, so
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the audio quality isn't always amazing.
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There's some reverb issues, and it doesn't have the editing
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flair of more recent episodes. I mean, flair is doing a lot of
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heavy lifting there. But anyway, let's consider it a
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time capsule. But I think much like the craft,
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if you look close enough, I think you'll find there's
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something very interesting happening.
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Anyway, enjoy this episode. Thanks as always so much for
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being here. And just remember, we are the
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weirdos. Mr. You right now.
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You right now. You binding me is very true,
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actually. I feel like God, you're a bit
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Sarah and I'm a bit Nancy potentially.
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Get away from her, you bitch. Classic.
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He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders
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right before she died. No.
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Hannah, you. Thought you become a prostitute,
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you're a dog at it. I still love.
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Doggy chow. I love doggy chat too.
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Oh, hi, I'm Crystal, and I'm your dad's most regrettable wet
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dream. That's right, baby.
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Lame here. And welcome to Camp Classics.
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Camp Classics. Classics.
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Classics. Classics.
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Yeah, Sorry. I just.
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I feel like it needs a bit more judge.
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Oh, right. You're working on a theme of
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workshopping it as we're doing. I think that's perfect as is,
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actually. We should just use that.
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It's OK. Screen.
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Grab. Screen grab it.
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Yeah. Record, print, send to radio,
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print. Print those vinyls now press
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them now. Limited edition.
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Welcome to Camp Classics, A thoughtful podcast about stupid
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movies. Every two weeks, we'll be here
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discussing, exploring and rating some of the all time greats in
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the genre of camp. This is the Gatreon.
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So you've unlocked a bonus episode.
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Oh, yeah. This is the deep dive, baby.
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Yeah, you're right in there. You're behind the curtain.
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Oh, fluffy seconds. I don't know what I'm saying.
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Beef curtains. Yeah, behind the beef curtains.
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Do you have a movie you'd like us to cover?
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podcast and send us a message with your suggestions.
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We will please tell you to fuck off if it's a shit suggestion,
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though. Yeah.
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I mean, but all suggestions welcome.
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OK. Sorry.
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Yeah, we've got to encourage growth at the moment.
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Sorry. Yeah.
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And here we are. This this is our first Patreon
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episode and we're covering the craft.
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This has got you written all over at this film.
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I do actually love this movie. But before we get into it, what
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makes a CAMP movie? Well, it's one of those things,
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isn't it? I think there has been a lot of
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academia that's been said about this and a lot of very, very
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intelligent people that have written about what CAMP is.
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I think we should just ignore that and what CAMP means to us.
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I think CAMP is something that unlocks queer joy.
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I think it needs to have a legacy within pop culture.
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I think it needs to be a bit shit, a bit stupid, underdog
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flop vibes, something a bit off and ultimately just completely
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stupid. Great.
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Well, I think that our our movie this week tick some of those
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boxes for sure. Let's get into it.
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What? What's your history with this
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movie? Well, if you didn't know, this
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film is nearly 30 years old. Wow, that's depressing.
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Yeah. I mean, obviously, I think I was
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maybe 2 when it was released. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A bit younger, but yeah, so nearly 30 years old, which is
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really, really depressing. But actually this film was not
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really rated by anybody that was working on it.
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It was like a surprise hit. So it had a box office global
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gross of 56.6 million on a $15 million budget.
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So it actually did really, really well.
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And Theresa herself, the main lady, she just thought it was
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like had no gravitas at all as a movie.
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So, so it was one of those ones that, yeah, it was sort of a bit
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of a sleeper hit and sort of came out of nowhere.
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I think maybe because it's it was in such a different light to
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all of the other kind of ROM com schoolgirl films at the time.
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It was it had some real edge to it, didn't it?
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So But yeah, I've got a bit of a quiz.
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Oh, OK, Let's love a quiz. Love a quiz.
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So apparently 85 actresses screen tested for the role of
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the the four witches. Some big names there.
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And I just wondered if you can like maybe some guesses as who
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might have been up for it. We're 96.
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So who's an adult that can still play a teenager?
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Drew Barrymore. No, but that's a great shout.
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I will say something as well, just to help you, that you think
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people are teenagers playing this role.
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The four witches in the actual movie, none of them were
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teenagers. Oh, yeah.
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No. Yeah.
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Rochelle was nearly 30. Oh, wow.
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Yeah. So it's literally just.
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It doesn't matter. It could be anybody.
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Meryl Streep could have been up for The Rock.
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Drew Barrymore's a no. Any more suggestions?
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Alicia Silverstone, correct. She did, but she literally had
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just finished filming Clueless and it hadn't been released at
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the time. So she was just an unknown and
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that people didn't know that she was the mega star.
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She was about to, well, I say mega star.
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She had like a very short period of time where she was the IT
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girl, right? And then it all kind of it went
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a bit Melissa Joan Hartford, didn't it?
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It did, sadly, Yeah, it did. Anymore suggestions?
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She's just on TikTok eating random berries that she founds
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that are poisonous. Was that what she does?
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Yeah. Haven't you seen that video?
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There's a video of her. She's just like, guys, I just
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ate these berries I found in this person's backyard.
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My mouth is a bit numb. Do you think they're poisonous?
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And then silence. And she disappears for two days.
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And everyone's like, yeah, those were definitely poisonous.
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She's fine. Is she, like, stalking in
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people's back gardens? I don't know what she's doing.
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I don't know if she just wanted some attention.
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She's like, this will be funny. I don't know if she's got
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something to promote coming up, but it.
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It was great. No, no, I've got another guest.
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Sarah and Michelle Gellar. No, but I think that's a great
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shout. Do you know who else I think
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might have been good for this? Selma Blair.
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I was just going to say Selma Blair.
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Yeah. She's not one of them, though.
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And the the Reese Witherspoon. No, but again, a great shout.
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Yeah. So I feel like in this era, this
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person was auditioning for every single movie.
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I'm not getting them. Angelina Jolie was up for it.
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Oh, girl. Interrupted vibes.
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Right. She hasn't had her break yet.
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I don't think Girl interrupted has happened.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And then why not? 12 year old Scarlett Johansson
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also went for the role. Sure.
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Stardom Young. Yeah, exactly.
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But that's the Scarlett Johansson all over, isn't it?
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It's like, not right for the role, but she's going to go for
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it. Yes.
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That's not going to stop her. You need a Japanese Cyborg lady.
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I'll do it. Are you a fan of Scar Jo?
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I don't mind her. OK, Yeah, but we'll maybe talk
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about her in another episode. But yeah, I'm not.
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I'm not sure. I'm on the fence with her.
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Yeah, I guess she's never particularly captured my
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imagination. But yeah.
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Topic for another day. Big, huge topic that will take
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up most of this podcast is obviously wigs and Robin Tony's
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wigs. Do you know why she was wearing
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Sedwig? I did see this fact.
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It's because she had just filmed Empire Records and her she was
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shaved bald. And apparently the costume
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designers all loved the kind of idea that she had a little Pixie
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cut. But no, though they insisted,
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would have made more sense for an angsty teenage girl.
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Not like the Big 90's, the blowout.
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It's also like, you watch the first half the movie, you're
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like, there's something really off about this wig.
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And then she does the glamour to turn her blonde and you're like,
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wow, that really looks like a bad wig.
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And then for the rest of the movie, it just really feels
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incredibly wiggy. Totally.
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And also, I get that like the practical effect of making it
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blonde. They could have like just then
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cut to her with a blonde wiggle on instead of that like weird
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painted yellow. It will get into it.
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So yeah, that was exactly the reason she was in another movie.
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She I don't even think she wanted to do the role,
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apparently. I think she was a bit anti being
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like, well, you can see that in her performance, can't you?
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Valid, So valid. She doesn't want to be there,
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doesn't she? OK, next question.
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Lots of slippery serpents feature in this movie.
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How many do you think? Oh, I was wondering that
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watching it, how many of those were real?
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I think a lot of them looked really real.
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I'm going to say 100. Well, there are numbers across
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the Internet are varying. I've gone direct to the director
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for what he says and he might be sort of making up a bit, but he
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said 10,000 snakes were used in the filming.
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Wow, that is so gross. It's so gross.
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Also the way she was trudging all over them.
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I was like, these snakes are not being looked after.
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I hate snakes. Yeah, but those snakes did not
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come home safe. No, definitely not.
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Like, we'll just fill a toilet with snakes.
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Some of them will drown. It'll be fine.
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Oh Low got the shot like and apparently the cockroaches were
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specially bred so that they couldn't reproduce if they if
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they escape. Wow, that's a cool fact.
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I know like well done on that research.
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I mean, I haven't triple checked my sources.
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It's just like fighting. When you find a fact like that,
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you don't need to know anymore. Keep it.
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Just happy to hang on to it. OK, next question.
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Last one. And so obviously major looks are
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served in this movie, but what band did the director want the
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four actresses to feel like they were in?
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Don't get in the black hearts. No, but good shout.
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Heart again, good shout. Incorrect.
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I don't know. Mötley Crüe.
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What did Mötley Crüe look like? I don't know.
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That's for straight people. I know we've got that, such a
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straight hole because I'm like, I don't know what any of these
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look like with a cure. The cure, Sure.
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Yeah. I mean, it's this hyper golf.
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Yeah, great. I mean, they really went for
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that, didn't they? It wasn't like it like, oh,
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Hollywood does golf. It's like Nancy is, she's beat.
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She's got that. Her makeup sensational.
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But there we go. So that's my little roundup.
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I love that we really learned something there.
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What was the kind of reaction to this?
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I feel like, what were the reviews like?
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So I don't think it got any razzies or anything to do.
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Yeah. What was the reaction?
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I think the the the critical reaction at the time was pretty
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poor. Roger Ebert gave it two out of
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five. But I mean, what does that man
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know? Yeah, exactly.
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I did actually check Google reviews, though, for some, for
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some reviews. Yeah.
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Yeah. Great, that's what I've always
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appreciated about you is it's like you you're all about what
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what real people think, I think and I I just think you know, a
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lot of these kind of reviewers are egotistical idiots that get
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paid a lot of money. I think this is where we're
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going to get some really good feedback right.
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So Cody says was good, but the story was OK could be better.
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But love that they were witches and stuff.
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Love that shop. Want to go there to be honest.
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Anyways, overall a good movie, 4 out of five.
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Thanks, Cody. I love it.
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It's insightful. Yeah, Hunter says This place was
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probably the worst bar I've ever attended.
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Servers were extremely rude and professional.
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Do not recommend one out of five.
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I think Hunter was at a craft beer place and got confused.
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Oh yes. And left a review on movie The
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craft. Oh, that's a shame, isn't it?
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It's like. But it's tarnished the legacy of
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the crowd. And that one out of five is
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never getting unscrubbed from the movie.
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And then Livin says demons are not hiding anymore and is near.
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Beware people. Praise the Lord.
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One out of five. OK, Yeah.
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So basically I think reviews are mixed.
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So I guess it's up to us then to decide if this is the camp
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classic. Yeah, it could be.
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So what's it about? Well, I've got a summary here.
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Of course you have. So have we gone to AI to rely on
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this to take some of the workload off of us, of you?
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I have. And I asked it to do it spooky,
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but I don't think it's achieved anything.
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Could you make to help the AI? Could you maybe do it in a
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slightly spooky voice? Sure.
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OK, great. Sarah Bailey, a troubled teen
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with strange powers, moves to LA and gets pulled into a trio of
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outcast girls rumored to be witches.
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Bonnie. Scarred from an accident.
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Rochelle, the target of racist bullies and Nancy living with
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her abusive stepdad. They worship a deity called
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Menon and think Sarah's the missing piece to make them
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powerful. I only need to step it up,
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doesn't it? Let's be real, this isn't very
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spooky. After Sarah's humiliated by jock
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Chris, the girls cast spells for love, revenge, beauty, and
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power. The spells work.
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Chris becomes obsessed with Sarah, Bonnie's scars vanish,
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Rochelle's bully loses her hair, and Nancy kills her stepdad.
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Scoring a high rise Apartment chat TPT really went for scoring
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a high rise apart? Sure, drunk on power, Nancy
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takes things too far. Ignoring the warnings not to
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invoke Manol, Nancy gains God like powers and goes off the
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rails, killing Chris after he tries to assault Sarah.
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I mean rape. Yeah.
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I mean, yeah, let's not dodge that.
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When Sarah tries to stop her with a binding spell, the coven
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turns on her, tormenting her with nightmarish visions and
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trying to drive her to suicide. But Sarah fights back, invoking
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Manol herself, and shows Bonnie and Rochelle terrifying visions
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of their worst fears. Sarah binds Nancy's powers, and
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Bonnie and Rochelle, now powerless, try to make amends,
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but Sarah shuts them down and shows she's still got her magic.
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Nancy, she's strapped to a bed in a psych ward, raving about
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flying. I mean, factually correct.
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Yeah. Well done.
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That was really you. You elevated the work, the text
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there. That's really what I do.
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Right. So that's the movie.
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Where should we start? What do we like about this
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movie? Well, witchiness.
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Witchiness. Yeah.
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Full stop. Witchiness.
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I like that we got a call back to the witches of Eastwick very
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early on. The Chris calls them the bitches
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of Eastwick. And you're just already like,
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oh, I'm in safe territory. I'm getting references to them.
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I'm happy to. I'm always happy to spend be
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spending time with witches. Yeah, always.
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Yeah. It's it's it's a safe place for
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all of us, isn't it? They took the witchiness
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seriously in this in this film, because they had a real witch,
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Pat Dixon. Pat Dixon is not a rich name.
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I'm sorry, but yeah, Pat Dixon was there to do the spell.
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Pat is such your mum's friend Pat, who lives in
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Gloucestershire. And imagine, imagine, we've got
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Pat, guys. So yeah, Pat was there to make
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it all. Well, and apparently the girls,
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when they all got cast, all were given like witchy swag bags with
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like, candles and books and stuff in it.
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And then there are rumours as well that Theresa was actually a
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practicing Wiccan, Pagan person. Anyway, Pagan person, clearly.
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I don't know what I'm talking about, but apparently she was
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already into it. OK, cool.
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So there's like an authenticity to the witchiness as well, which
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I appreciate. Yeah.
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Although manual, manual. Manual invented, right?
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Invented. Yeah.
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Which is interesting because I think I was telling you about
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this. There's a big new K pop
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international girl group. It's been on a reality show
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called Cat's Eye and the main girl, like the IT girl of the
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group who basically Can't Sing or dance as well, but it's
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really hot. It's called bang on.
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And so I was just like, is she inherently she's she's invoked
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to spirit and called the corners and and that was in Cat's Eye.
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Yeah, and it would make she's not really hot.
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She's just cast a glamour. Yeah, I mean, that's let's talk
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the spells. Did you rate the spells that
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they did, the powers that they did as witches?
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Absolutely. I mean, this movie had me in a
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chokehold, I would say, as a teen.
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Yeah. Talk to me.
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So where were we at as you watching this film for the first
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time? I don't.
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I don't remember. I remember seeing it as a teen,
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and I was the kind of sad little gay boy that was desperate to
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develop supernatural powers. And I would wish for it.
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I would pray for it. I mean, I spent most of my
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childhood, like in that, in a fantasy land, imagining I had
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super powers or witchcraft powers.
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So this movie was right up my street.
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And it made me feel like you. It was possible 'cause it, it
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was played seriously. Yeah.
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So yeah, this movie definitely had a huge impact on me in that
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regard. But it's every little gay boy's
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dream, isn't it? To get powers and get revenge
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on, on the, on the bullies of the school and show everyone
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you're actually cool and powerful and in charge.
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And it's just like a classic gay revenge fantasy.
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Totally. And I, I remember people like
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particularly doing like the levitating thing and like it
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really encouraged people to kind of round school to be like a bit
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witchier. I think like the biggest thing
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for me, though, was I I haven't seen this film for quite a long
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time and I've I've obviously got this like memory of like loving
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it and obviously of Nancy and being obsessed.
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I was surprised at how sad and how dark I found like the
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opening of it. And actually it was way less
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like kind of throw away than I thought, like actually going
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through like really horrible shit.
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Like, you know, the characters are all it's they're all kind of
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like nasty situations and they and they they don't they
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actually, you know, I mean, the script is probably not the best
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written script in the world, but like I felt like the apps is
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playing it all quite like dedicated.
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I couldn't. I couldn't agree more, I think.
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It's taken this place in like cultural history where it's kind
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of been Mean Girls a fight and it's been kind of watered down
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what we think of it. And I was prepared to watch it
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and think it was really cheesy and a bit kind of Hun witches.
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But no, the subject matter is serious.
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They don't shy away from like tough topics.
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The fact that that hero is like, struggling with suicidal
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thoughts is like, I think quite a rare concept in a teen movie.
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Yeah. And to kind of like, even in
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some of those like, revenge moments where it's like Nancy's
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fighting back and you've got that fight and it's like, cut
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your wrists again. It's like, these aren't like
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jokesy kind of things. It's interesting actually,
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because I was reading the character Rochelle and
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originally was Caucasian. Oh, Kelsey Prize there.
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But apparently her her thing was originally that she was bulimic.
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And it wasn't until they cast the actor playing them that they
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decided actually bringing in the race thing would be a more
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interesting spin. So it's it's it was hard themes
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all throughout. Yeah.
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I wanted to talk about the racism actually.
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I mean, how do we feel about that?
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It almost felt that was the one kind of problem that felt a
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little bit cartoony. I don't know.
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It's they kind of handle racism in that way that you're like,
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this is racism and it is bad. But actually, I think we've
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learned in the year 2024 that like, it would probably show up
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much more in microaggressions rather than over in that way.
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I don't know, maybe, maybe that's how racism was in the 90s
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and I just don't remember that. But yeah, it's it feels like
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it's not given that much attention in the film.
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It doesn't feel like that's a priority story like and I feel
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like her character as a whole it she just doesn't they've not
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really given the chance for that character to really breathe.
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And I think I kind of found that, but both of those
22:15
characters need can the Bonnie character as well.
22:18
You're kind of getting some juicy stuff and then it's sort
22:21
of they supposed to sort of just thrown away near the end and
22:24
they're just kind of and I guess it's fine that they're revealed
22:26
to be quite like vacuous and hanger on E, but I don't know.
22:29
I thought there was, like, way more meat that could have been
22:32
conducted with them and like, yeah, just a bit more of a sense
22:36
of, like, rage from both of them about what they've both been
22:39
through. But I was more upset, if I'm
22:42
going to be honest, about Marsha, Marsha, Marsha Marsha,
22:48
like, the absolute amazing character from The Brady Bunch,
22:51
basically playing, like, in a different universe.
22:55
The evil version of what her character really is like.
22:58
If you took Marsha out, that's basically what she was.
23:00
And I love Marsha. And then so to hear her just
23:02
being like the most fucking repulsive human being in the
23:06
world, with a better wig, might I add, than I've actually never
23:11
seen the Brady Bunch. You've never seen the Brady.
23:13
Oh my God. It's all about Brady Bunch too.
23:15
A very Brady sequel. I feel like I'm going to insist
23:18
that we do that one. But yeah.
23:19
But literally the character of Marsha is vain, upper self mean,
23:25
but she does it with like a kind of a deluded smile about her,
23:28
which she just is really adorable.
23:30
So to see her presented in the hard light of reality of just
23:33
being a racist, that was hard for me.
23:35
But also I'm like, boohoo me. It is satisfying watching her
23:40
lose her hair. Yeah.
23:41
Yeah. It really is, isn't it?
23:43
It's like it's yeah. Again, just that ultimate
23:45
revenge fantasy of like, I'm going to show my bullies.
23:52
I think as well. Like something I really liked
23:53
about it was how it did go against like teen tropes in
23:56
horror and sort of teen films. So like, although men are like
24:00
still there as jocks and stuff and presented, they're really
24:03
throw away nasty characters. And I just think I I love the
24:08
kind of the edge of what it of what sisterhood is and the way
24:11
that they kind of have these relationships.
24:13
They're just like, to me, Nancy is like a friend you want, she's
24:18
ride or die. She's got like a passion for her
24:21
friends. And it's kind of like, I kind of
24:24
find it weird that she's the one that's getting vilified because
24:27
she's she's the one that is like when, you know, there were so
24:31
many scenes where like, Bonnie's like, sad about her scars on her
24:34
back. And you can kind of see like
24:37
Nancy, like emoting and crying and really feeling for her.
24:40
And I truly believe that maybe I'm like a bit too much of A
24:44
deep dive and that's it. I think she's the friend that
24:46
you want. Fuck.
24:47
Bloody Sarah. Yeah.
24:49
Well, we can get on to Sarah. But yeah, I agree about Nancy.
24:52
I think she, I mean, the performance is insane.
24:57
It is so great. And also.
25:00
But where is she coming from as well, Dorothy?
25:03
And it's. Oh my God, of course.
25:04
Yeah. Wizard Oz two.
25:06
Yeah, little Dorothy. And I love, I love even that.
25:09
I love. You know, you had Judy Garland.
25:11
That was like fucked up and like kind of smoking, drinking on
25:15
drugs, doing that. And then you've got like Fruisa
25:17
that brought like an edge to that character.
25:19
But I love that she sort of developed into they said and it
25:23
it just is a great. I think she's so captivating in
25:26
this role. I think she's it's she gives
25:28
such an intense performance and it should feel like it could
25:33
have really easily felt cheesy or stupid or over the top or
25:39
silly, but somehow it doesn't. She's just really, really great.
25:43
Why do you think that is? Because I fully agree with you.
25:45
I don't know. I think she takes like big risks
25:48
and it I don't know, because there's so much thrown at the
25:53
wall. It like you kind of don't ever
25:55
stop and look at one particular moment that hard.
25:58
I don't know. She even has like quite cheesy
26:01
lines She pulls off like I love it when she like says I love a
26:06
woman in uniform and she's and you know, we are the weirdos,
26:09
Mr. and I just, she can just say them with like a credibility
26:14
that I'm like, is it she's hot? Is that, is that what it is?
26:18
But she's not like conventionally hot like she is.
26:23
But she's it's not like you've got like a Megan Fox doing that
26:27
fair, because you could imagine Megan Fox doing that, but being
26:30
the palatable version. Yeah.
26:31
Yeah. The physicality she brings,
26:34
especially in that fight scene at the end and when she's
26:37
strapped to the bed at the end, that's like really impressive.
26:42
Like the when when she's like fighting with the the clothes
26:46
and when they're both pinned to the wall, it's she's going so
26:50
hard. Like, imagine being in the room
26:53
with her when she's acting that you'd be scared.
26:55
Yeah, yeah. It's, it's real.
26:57
And it's probably because she's a real witch.
27:00
Yeah, probably. She will say I love her
27:03
witching. This continues.
27:04
There was an occult bookshop in LA.
27:07
It was she went to to do research while she was doing the
27:10
film and it was closing down and was going to get turned into a
27:12
Chinese restaurant. So she bought it and she ran it
27:15
for several years after. Wow.
27:20
Dedicated to the 'cause wow, that's so cool.
27:24
Oh, that makes me really love her.
27:27
I watched Almost Famous for the first time recently and she's in
27:29
that and her character is so different and I think, I think I
27:34
hadn't really seen her in much. So I wondered, you know, maybe
27:37
that's just the intensity she brings in to every role.
27:40
But I think she's just a really talented actress.
27:42
Probably. I felt like as well, something I
27:44
would have liked to see more in the film is she's invoked the
27:48
spirit, right? So she's obsessed with that.
27:50
She's drunk off of it. And I kind of felt like I wanted
27:54
to see more rage from her. Like I felt like what actually,
27:58
she didn't really do that much with the spirit.
28:00
I mean, if I had the devil in me and that kind of power, I'd be
28:03
taking some bigger swings and just like torturing my
28:06
girlfriend that doesn't want to be a witch anymore.
28:08
But I kind of wanted to see like revenge on the school.
28:10
Do you know what I mean? And like all of the people and
28:13
again, maybe that's like the gay boy and me, but I wanted to see
28:18
her like RIP, RIP apart the world a bit more that she'd been
28:21
put in. That's cool.
28:23
That would like Dark Willow season, Buffy season 6.
28:29
Does that mean anything to you? I'm just not sure.
28:31
Just nothing. But Willow goes evil and then
28:33
she's like tries to destroy the world basically.
28:36
It's very that because, and it's like, and it's just great to
28:39
kind of have that in a film where, yeah, well, you're you're
28:43
watching the people and you're understanding why they're taking
28:46
revenge. And it's like you're it's not
28:48
kind of getting too much. I don't personally don't think,
28:52
Wow. Even killing Chris I don't think
28:54
is too much. Oh, it was so frustrating that
29:00
he dies and then Sarah's like, I think he was a good guy
29:04
underneath. Yeah.
29:06
I mean, I guess there's some ambiguity about that rape scene,
29:12
about whether or not that happened because of her spell.
29:16
But he's not a good person before that.
29:18
Yeah. I mean, it's not a huge
29:20
character leap from what he's been presenting about.
29:22
And, you know, and like the relationship that's implied with
29:25
like that Nancy's, you know, well, it's not implied.
29:28
She's sort of said we we had some great times.
29:30
He gave her an STD and then sort of completely slut shown to her.
29:35
I mean, I've seen. Yeah, there were great
29:38
candidates in the film. Felt sorry for the the sort of
29:41
snaky homeless guy, though. Yeah.
29:44
And again with him. And also.
29:45
But why was that? Why did we see that sort of
29:47
grotesque like him under the vehicle?
29:50
Really grim. But yet Chris gets a shot away
29:53
and just they're like, oh, no, he's out the window.
29:54
I wanted to see him crushed on the floor.
29:56
But apparently there was something to do with the
29:59
ratings. They were desperate that it was
30:00
like APGI see film. So maybe they had to like, back
30:04
off on some of that violence. I mean, I don't think Chris
30:07
deserved death outside the context of a horror film in in
30:11
the context of a horror film, like definitely kill that man.
30:14
Yeah, I do. I do agree.
30:18
Like, I wish Nancy had. I don't know.
30:21
But then there's, for example, that scene when they're driving
30:25
her fancy car and they're just going through the the red
30:28
lights. I love how tense that is.
30:31
And it's, it's just a minor thing, but it's like really
30:33
gives you a sense of like what's happening to her character and
30:37
like how she's out of control. It's, I don't know.
30:40
It's very unsettling in a way that like a big she's floating
30:45
above the school and tearing it to pieces.
30:47
Like would have maybe felt a little bit heavy-handed.
30:49
And maybe that is actually just a smart thing for like what
30:51
teenagers are going through. You know, when you're a
30:53
teenager, like your world does tend to be a lot smaller,
30:56
doesn't it? And it's like the the things
30:57
that impact you are quite minor in the longer scheme of things.
31:02
So maybe it is actually smart that they're using all of this
31:05
sorcery just to kind of fix their sort of initial worlds
31:10
rather than thinking bigger. But yeah, I thought I thought
31:14
witchiness was just brilliant all over.
31:17
I hated the witch woman. The shop woman hated her.
31:23
Yeah. What did I say about her?
31:25
She I said she's very Ophelia Powers code CR Catwoman episode,
31:31
just like drippy foreign lady in a long tunic dress changing
31:37
accents like one minute Spanish, next minute's French.
31:39
Yeah. Also, I kind of blame her for
31:42
this whole thing happening because if she was a little bit
31:44
more responsible with the books that she's handing out left,
31:47
right and centre, it's like, I want to invoke a spirit.
31:51
Well, you need to be an experienced witch to do that,
31:54
$25 to invoke a spirit. Yeah.
31:57
Put that book behind that curtain.
32:00
Yeah. And then you did go behind the
32:02
curtain. And it was like the dark room.
32:03
And it was all like dayglow. And she done a lovely thing
32:05
there. Well, place of power.
32:07
Nothing. Nothing says place of power like
32:09
a glory hole behind a bookshop. And she said that Sarah is a
32:15
natural wit. I mean, from the get go, she's
32:18
just quite annoying, isn't she, Sarah, I have a lot of notes.
32:23
Let's. Let's dive in.
32:24
Yeah. Robin.
32:24
Tony, it's like, obviously there was a choice being made, but the
32:29
choice reads like she does not want to be in this movie.
32:32
She's annoyed to be there. Everything she says and does is
32:35
incredibly disaffected, which I guess is like teen angst vibes.
32:40
But I don't know, it's her character.
32:43
Doesn't really make sense to me. I don't get it.
32:46
We're we're told that she's suicidal.
32:51
We don't really know why the wig, I guess it might be the
32:54
wig. It might be the wig.
32:59
And I guess maybe that's why she's choosing to play
33:01
everything quite. Oh, oh, I don't know.
33:08
I call upon the guardians of the watch terrors of the know.
33:12
I know she takes all of the joy out of it.
33:14
Sounds like I kind of enjoy like Nancy doing it.
33:16
I'm like, yeah, you do. And then she just she's like,
33:19
it's like she's over intellectualizing what she's
33:21
doing. I guess it's not easy to play
33:25
like the straight man, the the like average person, which is I
33:30
guess what her standing is. She's the she's the audience,
33:33
right? We're supposed to relate to her.
33:37
And then you've got in contrast, first, about completely chewing
33:42
the scenery in every scene that she's in.
33:45
I don't know, there was a real mismatch there.
33:46
I don't know what Sarah could have done to like bring more
33:50
into that character. But as it was, it just seemed
33:53
like she really didn't want to be there.
33:54
And I guess as well it was good that she wasn't this like light
33:57
and fluffy pretty girl that just kind of was being made to be a
34:00
bad girl. You know, there was no like
34:01
makeover other than the glam of the hair.
34:03
Like she didn't change who she was to fit in with the group.
34:07
If anything, she sort of was authentic to herself.
34:10
But, you know, who fucking cares?
34:13
Do you know who I did love? Shout out to Nancy's mum, by the
34:15
way. Loved her absolutely.
34:18
Very. Regina George's mum coded.
34:20
Totally. Yeah.
34:21
She was living her best life. Absolutely.
34:23
In that little that little two piece at the end.
34:26
You guys, you girls want a drink?
34:28
I loved it. Again, the subtlety of Nancy
34:30
miming the shotgun behind her, that she.
34:33
I just loved all of the details of that.
34:36
And sorry, so back to Sarah. So I hate her so much, I don't
34:38
even want to talk. Yeah.
34:39
I mean, I think it's fair, basically.
34:41
Why'd you do it like that, girl? Let's start with the wig.
34:45
So her dad hates her as well because literally the first
34:47
thing he says to her when he drops her off in the car is you
34:50
Look, you look amazing. Look beautiful.
34:54
Oh, I actually really, I really appreciated that scene.
34:58
I was like, wow, that's his he he's a nice supportive dad,
35:01
isn't he? But you're right.
35:04
He should not have like he's like, honey, she don't want to
35:06
stay home for a few more days and maybe reconsider that wig
35:09
before you go to school. I've got a fun fact for you.
35:13
So the wig designer hairstylist of this is actually quite a big
35:18
deal. At the time, her name was
35:21
Beatrice. She's not dead.
35:23
Beatrice Day Alba. And she was also responsible for
35:28
Brendan Fraser's wig in The Mummy.
35:31
I don't know if you remember that, but it was kind of like a
35:33
little slinky curtains vibe. Also very wiggy, very awful.
35:39
So she Brendan Fraser, I guess in my head, that was his hair.
35:43
No like baby, no baby, no, no, no baby.
35:50
So she did that. But I think we need to be
35:52
careful with what we say about her big work because a year ago
35:56
she shot and injured someone for trespassing on her house
36:00
property. So she's got a girl and she's
36:02
not afraid to use it. I see.
36:04
And and that was someone coming to criticize her work in 1996 is
36:08
the craft. Absolutely.
36:09
So she's got a target on you, bitch, and she's going to get
36:12
you. But I just thought that was a
36:14
fun little fact about that. I mean, that's that's fucking
36:17
grim. America.
36:21
Yes. In terms of campness, Right.
36:22
Yeah. I wasn't getting a lot of camp.
36:26
No, I mean Nancy's giving us an over the top performance which
36:32
veers into camp sometimes. There's something camp about
36:37
Robin Tiny not wanting to be in the movie that she's in.
36:40
There's something, there's a little bit of the sprinkles of
36:43
camp there. I mean Nancy's mum very camp.
36:46
True. The the Magic Store owner also
36:50
very camp in a different way. I also felt like she was trying
36:54
to less off with Sarah. Yeah, it was.
36:56
I was getting very like you're you're going to snog in a
36:59
minute. We did also have a cameo from
37:03
the dead lady in Desperate Housewives as the doctor.
37:06
I didn't clock that. Yeah.
37:08
What's her name in Desperate Housewives?
37:09
Mary. I didn't clock that.
37:12
The one who shoots herself in the first episode.
37:14
Yeah. I can't remember what her name
37:15
was. Anyway, she's the doctor.
37:17
That that. I mean, Neve Campbell getting
37:20
her scars taken off. That's camp, I think.
37:24
I think it's Campy. I thought it was like campy when
37:28
it was like, it was like a real afterfall.
37:31
It was like, now we're going to, I'm going to show you what you
37:34
really are. And it was like, oh, there's
37:37
Neve Campbell and there's Rochelle.
37:39
She's got a bit of scar rage on her face and Michelle's got like
37:43
all patches. That just felt like a real quick
37:45
throw away. It wasn't like I felt like the
37:48
camp really sort of escalated when they were trying to get
37:52
Sarah, though. I felt like that's when it
37:53
really kicked in. Flying through the window.
37:56
Yeah. Proper witchy vibe.
37:58
I also really enjoyed how like the house suddenly felt like I
38:01
was watching an episode of I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here.
38:04
It was like very anti deck survival challenge.
38:07
There are cockroaches coming out of the toilets.
38:09
Oh my God, I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out of it.
38:12
I was. I was enjoying that vibe a bit
38:14
as well. But yeah, I kind of, I just
38:18
wanted a little bit more magic on her.
38:23
Yeah. And I think that the ending is a
38:26
little disappointing. Like, the fight scene starts
38:29
pretty strong, I think. I think when they're, like,
38:31
flying through the air, blah, blah, blah.
38:33
And like, she's invisible in the pile of clothes, that's all
38:35
quite fun. But then it just ends with her
38:37
getting kicked into a mirror and then a wipe to, like, mirror
38:41
falling. Like, they didn't really know
38:43
how to finish that up. It felt like she was too
38:45
powerful to be just kicked into a mirror.
38:47
And that's the end. And also yeah, like go go
38:50
weirder with it. Like we've we've seen that we
38:52
know that Sarah's mum is was died in childbirth having her
38:57
and was also another witch like glamour and become the mum or
39:00
yeah or like channel your mum's energy in.
39:04
Yes, yeah, there there. There was definitely something
39:07
missing and it and the effects also look pretty crap sometimes
39:11
whenever it was practical effects.
39:13
I think it looked really cool and great when you can tell
39:16
there were 10,000 snakes, for example.
39:18
But like when Nancy sees her hand as snakes, you're like,
39:21
God, that looks bad. I also don't think she care.
39:24
Yeah, great. She's like great.
39:25
It makes me even weirder, spookier.
39:29
I love the kind of like 90s editing of it all, you know,
39:32
like it's like a like a Nirvana video, something just like that
39:35
kind of flashy. Speaking of.
39:38
Well, one thing. And also this is camp.
39:40
I think this is the first slow motion high school walk because
39:46
the only the next one I can think of is Jawbreaker and
39:48
that's 9798. And when is that 99 maybe?
39:54
And then obviously you've got Mean Girls and clearly this
39:57
hasn't happened. Clearly this hasn't happened.
39:59
That's a great point. I mean that earns a lot of
40:01
points. I mean like what a walk it is.
40:03
They look incredible. Everybody's nips are out camp
40:11
also like I guess what is really camp is like.
40:14
Yeah, and I could, I could relate to this if I had powers
40:17
is kind of seducing someone, pretending to be someone else to
40:20
get revenge on them. That that's incredible.
40:22
Fully something that I fantasized about as a as a
40:25
teenage boy, Like, oh, well, I'll just turn myself into a hot
40:28
person and then I'll have sex. Yeah, exactly.
40:31
Yeah. But that, I mean, that was
40:34
perfect, that that bit and then and then you kill him.
40:36
And that's what I would have done as well.
40:38
I think the other thing that is camp as well is we're talking a
40:41
lot about the Nancy performance, but that is a character that has
40:45
lasted as sort of, you know, people perform as her.
40:49
She's a Halloween look, you if you think of a witch in a film,
40:53
I think she's up there with your other ones like your who you are
40:57
the top witches in films. Oh, who are my favorite witches?
41:01
I don't know. I guess witches of Easterick had
41:03
a big impact on me. I mean, they're all very hot in
41:06
that movie and it's another movie about like sisterhood and
41:11
taking down a man, which is quite fun.
41:13
Probably should be on our list, that movie, to be honest.
41:16
Jessica Lange in American Horror Story.
41:17
Kevin, she's giving like evil head bitch and then the witches.
41:26
Oh, of course, her name is Angelica Houston.
41:29
Angelica Houston. Not Anne Hathaway.
41:31
Not Anne Hathaway. I haven't seen that version.
41:33
Angelica Houston as as the grand high witch.
41:36
Incredible sensational. I'm going to throw one more at
41:39
you. The Blair Witch.
41:41
The Blair Witch. She's camp.
41:42
Love her. She's camp.
41:43
We don't really know what she don't know much about her.
41:46
No, but she's she's Yeah. She's got the good.
41:49
She's very witchy. She's Yeah, she likes.
41:52
She's hungry. She's very hungry.
41:54
I only saw that for the first time quite recently.
41:56
Oh, really? Yeah.
41:57
Scary. It is scary.
41:58
Yeah. Yeah.
41:59
And I think that that's something about like this film
42:02
as well. Like, again, I thought it was
42:03
going to seem really, really dated and for some reason it
42:06
didn't. Obviously there were some like,
42:08
CGI effects that are a bit off, but it didn't feel dated to me.
42:13
And I think the characters and this what those girls are going
42:17
through about, nothing's really moved on.
42:21
Totally. Yeah.
42:22
Like, the teen girls struggle has not gotten any better.
42:26
The themes make so much sense today.
42:29
Still as much sense. But yeah, I think even just like
42:31
the quality of the filmmaking didn't feel bad.
42:36
It's like it's a solid movie that's well made, reasonably
42:40
well written, well acted for the most part.
42:45
Like, yeah, there's some cheesy bits, magic store owner, for
42:49
example. But like if you're if you're on
42:51
board for a magical story like you, you could find a lot worse
42:55
versions of that 100. And another big swing that I
42:58
thought was really interesting was obviously, like, at the time
43:01
this was made, AIDS was such a huge thing and it was such a
43:05
huge issue that was, you know, being villainized by press and
43:10
everything like that. And I think it was interesting
43:12
how they did the blood scene where they shared blood.
43:15
And apparently that caused quite a lot of uproar.
43:17
And I just think, again, it didn't need to happen, but I
43:21
just think it's like an interesting, lots of decisions
43:24
about this film I don't think needed to happen.
43:26
I don't think they were always the easy options, but I just
43:29
think there was a bit more, a bit more thought put into things
43:32
and just a bit less obvious, which I appreciate.
43:35
Like the dead sharks. Yeah.
43:37
That's another good example of like, this is an odd choice.
43:40
Why did you go for that? Again, It's cool and it's iconic
43:43
and it's memorable. And again, but her relationship
43:46
with it wasn't like, yeah, everything that's dying, It's
43:48
like, these things are beautiful.
43:50
This is a gift. It wasn't just this, like,
43:53
throwaway moment. Yeah, I thought that was good.
43:55
I mean, there's clearly, I don't know what was in that wine they
43:58
were drinking, but they were tripping out.
44:00
What, what would your spell be? My spell would would basically
44:07
be what Sarah's did. I just want people to fall in
44:10
love with me, to be hot and popular, which is really boring.
44:14
I guess they were all too young to go for eternal youth, but
44:17
that's probably where I'd land now.
44:22
They don't know. They don't know what's coming
44:24
down the pipes. Oh, God, the characters of
44:30
Bonnie and Rochelle, like they have pretty reasonable dreams,
44:34
wishes, spells. They just, you know, want an end
44:38
to their suffering. I mean, same with Nancy as well,
44:41
But obviously Nancy then starts killing people.
44:44
It's kind of odd that then they get punished for that totally
44:48
because. And the bit where it's like
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Bonnie, oh, you've turned into such a narcissist.
44:52
What? Because she spent all of her
44:54
life being ashamed of her body and that like having no power in
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her beauty, even though she's stunning.
44:59
Obviously she's got she just can't see that.
45:02
And it's that's the thing that's holding her back.
45:04
And she suddenly starts enjoying it.
45:05
Oh, and gets a bit confident with it and suddenly has an
45:08
opinion. We're meant to dislike her for
45:10
that. Yeah, it's kind of it's not.
45:13
It's not really fleshed out enough, is it?
45:15
And also and like Michelle has real when she sees what's
45:19
happening totally. If we if we're supposed to
45:21
believe those two characters have also gone a bit evil or
45:24
being swayed, Let's see them like let's see Rochelle like
45:28
enjoying her suffering. Yeah, let's see taking it too.
45:33
Yeah, let's see Bonnie like going evil with her narcissism,
45:38
like let's see that a bit. And then it kind of makes sense
45:41
that the way it ends. But as it is, they're just like
45:45
2 damaged girls who suddenly turned murderous.
45:48
It's kind of confusing. It's a bit.
45:50
I also as well, like Marsha Brady, she could have just gone
45:54
to Sarah and gone. Where did you get your wig from?
45:58
I mean, that much of a problem, was it?
46:02
I mean, maybe she maybe she hated the wig as well and was
46:05
like, do you know what? I'm all right.
46:06
Yeah, I'd rather have just chunks of hair falling out.
46:11
But yeah, they're punishment at the end.
46:13
But then and then they just became, they came, became a bit
46:16
wet at the end as well. Then they when they went to
46:18
Sarah and they're like, oh, do you want to hang out?
46:21
And she's the one And the tree fell.
46:22
It's like you're better off not with her.
46:26
Apparently there was a deleted scene where Sarah goes to see
46:28
Nancy in her cell and is trying to heal her there.
46:33
So they were trying to sort of impose that there was a
46:35
friendship and a sisterhood still there, but they just
46:38
decided to live. I mean it's very the thing that
46:40
people used to do, leave someone on a in a crazy self going
46:43
mentor. I felt sorry for Nancy because
46:45
she wasn't actually mental. No.
46:47
She had invoked the spirit. Yeah.
46:49
She was flying. Yeah.
46:50
It's like fair play. Yeah.
46:52
Get her out. Yeah.
46:53
Let her out of there. Let her fly.
46:57
I just realised that the movie starts with her flying.
47:01
She's in a plane. And then, but it ends with Nancy
47:06
saying I'm flying, I'm flying. If that was on purpose.
47:09
Yeah, Look at you getting those extra details.
47:13
That's called mirroring. OK, well, what's the campus
47:21
moment? I think campus moment in this
47:24
film. I think Nancy holds a lot of
47:27
camp moments and is the main camp force.
47:30
I think it's that crazy book, book woman.
47:33
I don't know what she did afterwards, but she should never
47:38
work in films ever again. She was that bad.
47:42
I think my campus moment might be, can you hear that?
47:48
There's something in my walls? Yeah.
47:52
That is so interesting because, like, did you know, like, which
47:54
things happened on set as well? So when they did the four
47:57
corners, there's something scratching on the inside of
48:00
Crystal's wall right now. I think we're about to get a
48:03
cockroach invasion through. I think it's happening and this
48:06
is what happened in the film. When they did the four corners,
48:09
the beach guard said there was it would be fine.
48:11
It would be, you know, it was easy weather to shoot on.
48:13
And as they did it, a huge wave came up and like wiped out the
48:17
entire set. Wow and.
48:19
Another thing, apparently a white owl followed them all
48:23
around filming. There was always a White House
48:25
somewhere. Wow.
48:27
I mean, maybe they're saying this to generate a little bit of
48:29
extra spooky publicity, but there is an owl that's going to
48:32
pop out of your chimney any second and jump on my face.
48:36
I bind you, Crystal. From doing me or you Eddie Harm.
48:41
Thank you. I bind you, Crystal.
48:45
Yeah. What we're saying.
48:46
Campus moment. Oh, yeah.
48:48
It's got to be the hair turning blonde glamour.
48:52
I mean, that's something that a scene that has stuck with me
48:55
from the first time I watched it.
48:57
It's so stupid. I love her little giggle as
49:00
well. When she shakes her hair out.
49:01
She's blonde. And now she's like, yeah,
49:04
because who wouldn't? It's all about the glamming,
49:06
isn't it? That's the best bit because,
49:08
yeah, I love it when old Nancy gives a go on Chris and it
49:12
literally gets rejected. And then it's like, I would be
49:15
Sarah. Yeah, It's.
49:17
It would be so much better if we could all just glam ourselves
49:20
out of situations in life. I think.
49:22
Absolutely. Absolutely.
49:24
OK, Well, should we rate this? Yeah.
49:26
On our official rating scale? Yes, Which I'm warming to now.
49:31
Yeah. We're going to plot it on on the
49:33
graph. We need to decide on Merrill's.
49:38
How good is this as a film? It's definitely not a disaster.
49:42
Definitely not a disaster. I think within its genre is a
49:46
very well made film and I think that's probably the best way to
49:48
see it because obviously comparing it to something that's
49:51
been Oscar worthy, it's never going to be that.
49:53
But in terms of like a teen witchy film, it stood the test
49:58
of time. Cinematography is great.
50:01
I think the acting is really good.
50:03
I think the script's a bit shit, but overall I'm going to say 7.
50:07
I think you're going to say A7, I think I'm going to say A7.
50:11
Yeah, I think that's fair. That's where I was going to
50:12
land, too. So we agree. 7 Merrills.
50:15
Yeah, go. For it, yeah, it's, as you say,
50:18
it's a totally solid movie. There's some problems, but for
50:22
what it is, I think it's almost entirely successful at what it's
50:26
trying to do. And I really expected it to look
50:28
and feel old. I'm so with you.
50:31
I was expecting it to be one of those ones that I just had like
50:35
an abduration 4 years ago and it's shit.
50:37
And if anything, I felt, I felt like, oh, I feel really touched
50:41
by the situations they're going from.
50:44
And I found it way more like interesting than I I thought I
50:48
would. Yes, totally agree.
50:51
What about camp? How many lizers?
50:54
I mean, it's not an all out camp fest, is it?
50:56
But I'm going to give this, I'm going to give it a 5.
51:00
It's a 5 for me. When it's camp, it's really
51:02
fucking camp. But I just think the tone just
51:05
isn't there. It's too serious for me to be
51:07
camp. We're fully aligned.
51:08
I was also thinking 5 on five Lizers.
51:11
Oh my God. So we agree, 7 Merrill's, five
51:14
Lizers. It's a strong, it's a strong
51:16
score for a film. Great score.
51:19
I mean, frankly, if if you're scoring much higher than A5,
51:22
it's quite hard to keep the quality good.
51:24
Yes, it means probably something's gone very wrong with
51:28
your movie. So 5 is basically as high as you
51:31
ever really want to aim to be making if you're trying to make
51:34
a good movie. Exactly.
51:36
And also I there's one more quote from Nancy I would like to
51:39
just mention. I just love the line.
51:40
Get your lousy ass up the stairs or I'll slit your throat.
51:43
Wow, great. And with that, yeah, get your
51:47
lousy asses to the next episode or we'll slit your throat.
51:50
Wow, that's so nice. Well, I've been Crystal and I've
51:55
been baby lame. Please follow us on Instagram at
51:59
Camp Classics podcast and we'll be back on the Patreon soon with
52:02
another bonus episode. Yeah.
52:04
And let us know what you think about this film.
52:06
Like, are we completely wrong? Do you think that Sarah's wig
52:10
was is actually, is she that girl in that wig?
52:13
Are you feeling that 90s blowout?
52:15
Let us know in the comments what you think about this episode.
52:18
If we've got it wrong, if you think it's camp, if you think
52:21
it's a masterpiece. We always want to to hear your
52:23
feedback because we're not experts.
52:27
Thank you so much, See you soon. Get away from her, you bitch.
52:33
Classic. He was in the Amazon with my mom
52:37
when she was researching spiders right before she died.
52:40
No, Hannah, you thought you become a prostitute or a drug at
52:47
it. I still love doggy chow.
52:51
I used to love doggy chows too.