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- Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): When Marc and I first started talking about the transformation gap summit, we had what we thought was a pretty ambitious idea. What if we brought together people with completely different backgrounds and perspectives around one big question? Why can we know what needs to change? Sometimes with complete clarity and still struggle to consistently live it. We thought if we could get maybe 50 speakers when we were first talking about this, and then 50 grew to 60, and then we were like, wow, what if we actually got close to a hundred great speakers together around that question? We'd have something pretty special. Well, we blew past 100. We're now at more than 130 speakers from around the whole world, organized across six different lenses. And somewhere along the way, I realized something pretty incredible about how this actually happened. These aren't just 130 people we found on the internet. In many ways, they're the culmination of the lives Marc and I have lived. people from recovery, fitness, mental health, business, speaking, coaching, podcasting, peer support, communities we've built, communities we've joined, people we've worked with, people who've helped us, people we've helped, and then people those people introduced us to. Two very different lives created two very different worlds. These worlds eventually collided with each other. And now we're bringing 130 and more, still growing, worlds together. So today we thought we'd give you a backstage pass. Not another speaker interview, not another explanation of why you should attend. We want to take you behind the scenes, pull back the curtain, give you the backstage pass, take your pick, because we're going to show you how we actually built this thing. Where did 130 plus speakers come from? Why did we intentionally make the scope so broad? How did mental health become woven through almost everything without creating a traditional mental health conference? How do six lenses somehow organize the whole thing? How does a free six-day summit with 130 plus speakers actually work? And maybe most importantly, What happens when you bring all these different worlds together around one big question? That's what we're talking about today. Welcome back to Rebuild and Fulfill. Marc, 11 days. We've spent months talking about this thing, and we're finally at the point where the transformation gap isn't something that's coming eventually. It's here. September 24th through the 29th. How you feeling, bro? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): I'm doing wonderful, how about you man? Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): It's it's been crazy. we've talked on this podcast before about why we thought the transformation gap was worth exploring. So I I definitely don't want to spend today retelling that story. I want to talk about how we turned that idea into this. Because some of what we're launching looks exactly like what we originally imagined, and some of it not even close. There's one piece of the original idea we have to come back to, though, because it affected almost every decision we made afterward. We didn't build this summit around an answer. We built it around a question. Why do human beings struggle to consistently do things they already know? They need to do. And that question was intentionally broad. So, Marc, you and I are pretty good examples of this. I've spent more than 30 years in fitness, health, and coaching. I've worked with countless people who knew they needed to exercise, they knew they needed to change how they ate, they knew they needed to lose weight, they knew they needed to take better care of themselves. Information wasn't necessarily the problem. And you experienced a completely different version of that through addiction and recovery. So let me throw this to you. During your addiction, was there ever really a point where you didn't know what was happening was hurting you? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): I would have to say that probably when the addiction Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): I'd say I want to say that probably when Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): took hold and I was physically addicted to the prescription pain medication from that point until the day I got sober, I didn't have an understanding of it. You know, I thought that the goal was to get sober, you know, off of alcohol and substances. But what I did not understand at that particular time, was it was my lifestyle living up to that point that most likely probably drove the addictions. I mean, I've talked about this before. Everything I did, rate of depression, I just didn't have an understanding. I yeah, you're told that you have to eat healthy. You're told that you have to exercise. You're told that you have to focus on positivity. But I never realized the correlation between mind and body and how that affects your mood, how that affects your anxiety, how that can drive addictive behavior. how that can actually drive some physical ailments in your body, you know, if you're not feeding the right fuel in your body. So it's the entire time I was there. And, know, as you know, this, I mean, I was on a quest for knowledge. I'm continuing to be on a quest for knowledge to try to be better every single day. And that's why I'm so excited about this summit because it's all right there. I mean, 130 plus speakers over six days. I mean, the information is there literally to change the world. And that's what I'm expecting from the summit is to change the world. One person changes their habits in a household. There's an old saying in baseball, hitting is contagious. And I'm evidence of that because once I actually started doing certain things to drive my recovery and change my lifestyle, and you know this, people jumped on board. And it wasn't even necessarily people from my household. There was a lot of friends and a lot of business associates that I knew from the insurance industry as well. So it's exciting, man. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah, and and and that's the whole thing is that when you first started in recovery, you were told you were gonna have to do this, you were gonna have to quit using, you were gonna have to eat better and take care of your health and and do better. but at the time, and and you've mentioned this on other episodes, you said, I know I need to do those things. I just don't know how, or I don't believe that I can. And that's the gap. And because that question applies to so many different parts. Of being human, we realized pretty quickly that we couldn't just explore it from one perspective, which ultimately became one of the biggest reasons the summit grew the way it did. and this might actually be my favorite part of how this came together. People have asked me, how did you find 130 speakers? I mean, there's easy answers. LinkedIn, referrals, networking, podcasting, but that's not really the whole story. Because when you and I started looking at who these people actually are and how they got here, I realized something. Marc, these speakers are almost a map of the lives you and I have lived. Think about your side. Some of the people you brought into the summit are people you met when you were trying to get sober. Some came into your life through recovery. Some you've met since becoming a recovery and support specialist. Some came through the work you're doing today. People like therapists. Peer support professionals, people in recovery, people working in mental health. And here's what's kind of incredible when you really think about it. You wouldn't know any of these people if you hadn't gone through what you went through. Not some of them, any of them. The addiction, the overdoses, getting sober, recovery, becoming a recovery and support specialist, the work you're doing today. Every stage of that introduced you to people who are now becoming a part of this summit. And I'm certainly not saying that makes everything you went worth it. Although I know you would, that's not the point. But something incredibly difficult created relationships and connections that are now being used to potentially help other people. So when you look at the people that you've brought into this summit through that lens, what does that feel like? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): that's where the brain set reset comes in because I actually look at my life and I actually feel very fortunate that I went through the challenges that I went through during the addiction and obviously post addiction and recovery because I met all these people by really being in the right place at the right time, know, speaking at different universities to the school of psychology, speaking at various events in the community. I'm speaking at hospitals, visiting patients in detox and psychiatric units and treatment, you know, for alcohol and substances as well. And just the day to day work that I'm doing right now, working at a behavioral health center. So it's like literally for me personally, about 10 years of building relationships, really by accident, by being at the right place at the right time, because I went through this addiction and went through this chaos in my life. that led us to where at today. And I will tell you that I'm still growing and that I'm still learning because there are things that I hear at different presentations that I might add to my regiment on a daily basis. And I know what you would 30 plus years of relationships, you know, that have been developed. So instead of somebody having to do all that, you know, over a 10 or 30 year period of time, I mean, it literally is there in a six day timeframe. All those speakers, all that education that I've gotten and you've gotten over the course of a lifetime or with me going through the challenges that I've gone through, it's right there at their fingertips. And I realized that every speaker isn't necessarily going to resonate with every individual that's participating in the summit, but it really, it's just taking one idea, two ideas, and then building on it and adding to it over a period of time. That's going to drive a complete transformation in your life and in your family. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah, absolutely. And on, you know, when I start looking at my side of this, it's the same thing. I've spent more than thirty years in fitness. So we have people in in this summit from that world, fitness professionals, health coaches, people I've met through training and coaching, people I've known for years. But then my own path started changing. My work moved much more heavily into resilience and mental health and due to our relationship and suffered a tougher grew. The podcast grew. And suddenly there's this whole other world of people in my life, mental health professionals, advocates, people in recovery, authors, speakers, coaches. and then there are completely different communities I've become a part of. People I've met through Toastmasters, people from Next Top Speaker, people I've met through Facebook, LinkedIn, podcasting, speaking. And then there's alignable. A lot of people don't even know about alignable, and yet there's over 10 million people on this platform. It's a networking platform for businesses. And I started a wellness group there with me, one person. Today that community has grown to more than 16,000 people. And we have probably a dozen or so people from that community that are going to be speaking for our summit. And relationships that started there are now represented in this summit. So we've got people from completely different chapters of my life who probably would never otherwise find themselves at the same event. But somehow the transformation gap is broad enough that they all belong here. And then I realized something else. Before any of this could happen, yours and my world had to collide. Marc and I didn't come from the same background. We didn't take the same path. We didn't experience the same struggles. I came through decades of fitness, health, coaching, and behavior change. Marc came through addiction, recovery, peer support, and ultimately helping other people navigate some of the same struggles he'd experienced himself. Two completely different worlds. And somehow along the way, they met. That's part of what became Supper to Tougher. And maybe that's one of the reasons this summit feels so natural to us. Because in some ways, we're trying to recreate globally something that happened between Marc and me locally. We're putting together people who might not normally end up in the same room a therapist and a fitness coach, a researcher and someone in recovery, a business leader and a mental health advocate, a clinician and a peer support specialist, someone with decades of academic research and someone whose expertise came from surviving it. Different professionals. different countries, different philosophies, different lives. Marc, when you think about how different your world and my world were before we met, do you think those differences are actually part of why Suffer to Tougher works? Not despite them, but because of them. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): I do, for Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): I know. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): the simple reason, even though everybody lives different lives, there's always similarities in people's stories, Kelsey. You know, I think that that's the one thing that I've learned along this journey. Whether I'm talking to a blue collar professional or white collar professional, the challenges that they describe in life are very similar. The stresses that they go through in life are very similar. The habits that they develop. Over the course of a lifetime are very similar. You know, so what we're talking about here is, you know, a concept that really is applicable to all walks of life. And, you know, I was thinking about your comment about the whole alignable thing. I mean, look at me. I mean, you know, my, cousin passed away from alcoholism and I really wasn't on social media advertising the fact that I was in recovery. And you know, when she passed away, my whole thought was, okay, well, I got to get my story out there. And, and just start sharing stuff because if there's one person that I can help, it's worth it. I just don't want to feel that pain anymore of losing anybody else in the community or in the family or what have you. Not knowing what the future was going to hold. And I started being open, honest and transparent. And it was like the floodgates open. I mean, people from all walks of life, people from the business world that I was in previously, people from high school, strangers. It just really opened up my eyes about how common this is. And it just takes one person to drive that conversation for people to comfortable enough to open up because they feel it's in a safe space and learn to get educated. you know, the group that we were involved in, I mean, it's a small level compared to what we have right now, but it absolutely works. I mean, look at the people in that group. I mean, different professions, different family dynamics. completely different lives, but we all had one common goal. We were trying to get better. We were trying to change our lifestyle. In some instances, people were trying to get recovery or lose some weight or what have you. And, you know, those accountability groups work and relationships are developed. I mean, the gentleman that connected us, I didn't know him 30 plus years ago. I knew of him just like with you, but we developed a beautiful friendship through this journey. And those friendships and relationships would not have been established if it wasn't for the work that we're doing in the community. So I love it. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. I mean, obviously we've been able to work in a very collaborative way. And that's always the approach when I meet other people in the space is how can I collaborate with them, not am I competing with them? And that's really why we're trying to take this thing globally, because there are just so many different perspectives and so many ways that people can benefit from those different perspectives. We we're not looking for 130 people who agree with us and speak the same language. That would be incredibly boring. We're looking for 130 people who've seen transformation from places we haven't. Because maybe somebody from another profession, another country, another generation, another culture, another lived experience sees something in your transformation gap that you've never been able to see in yourself. Something happened when Marc's world and my world collided. Now we're asking, what happens when we collide 130 plus worlds? And bringing all those worlds together helped us accomplish something else that was really important to both of us. How do you create an event that's heavily rooted in mental health without making every conversation about mental illness? Mental health is obviously incredibly important to us and to everything we do through suffer to tougher, but we didn't want six days where every conversation started with, okay. Let's talk about your mental health. Because that's not actually how mental health works. Sometimes the conversation absolutely is about depression or addiction or anxiety, suicide prevention, trauma, therapy. Those conversations matter. But sometimes it's sleep, exercise, nutrition, your marriage, loneliness, financial stress, your job, your purpose, identity, community. whether you feel like you belong somewhere. whether you have somebody you can actually call when you're struggling, those things might not immediately sound like mental health conversations, but they absolutely affect our mental health. so rather than pounding people over the head with mental health for six straight days, we wanted to create conversations about being healthier human beings. And mental health naturally runs through that. Marc, given your own experience, do you think there were things that might have reached you earlier if they hadn't necessarily been presented as you need mental health, Marc. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): 100%. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): I mean, I didn't know. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Come on. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): I really didn't. The role of exercise and how big of a role it actually plays in your brain chemistry. I had no idea the role of diet and how that affects your mood or how that can drive your anxiety. I knew for the most part, you know, that you need to be a positive person, you know, and you got to focus on the positives, but that's hard to do unless you, unless you work on some mindset resets or mindset exercises, if you will. so yeah, I mean, 100%. I had no idea. You know this, you know, that I struggled on the mental health side. knew I was anxious. And I knew had some anxiety issues, but I just thought that was just like me. I didn't know there was a medical diagnosis. And, know, as far as the depression goes, you know, it's major depressive disorder. I mean, I had days where I felt good and I had days that I felt down. But the one thing that I learned is that when the stresses of life happen, grandma passing away, changes at work, whatever it might be, I would feel down. But I never, it's crazy because I never really felt that I was like a depressed person. I just thought, again, that that was just being a human being. I didn't know there was a diagnosis behind it. and I didn't seek out help for a long period of time. just because of the way I was brought up in society, man up, don't show your feelings, all that stuff. And I just never knew that there was a correlation to that. And then you don't realize it, you don't seek out how habits develop. And we know with my habits, I was drinking and then I was introduced to prescription pain pills because I probably was eating my feelings. beforehand, just didn't realize that that can be an addiction as well. And I gained a lot of weight and developed that neck and back issue. Once I was introduced to the prescription pain medicine, the opiates, it was over, man. Once that grabbed hold, it was a downward spiral. So yeah, I mean, it's, you're told certain things at a high level, but you don't realize the correlation between that unless you actually dive down a little bit deeper. And that's what these experts are going to bring to the table. and provide an education that through the summit that you don't have to go to four years of school or eight years of school and have a master's degree or what have you. I mean, it's all right there. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. And and that's where prevention becomes such a big piece of this. We've talked about this before. most people understand that getting a yearly physical is something that you should do. Someone checks your blood pressure, your heart, your labs, your weights, your cholesterol. We're trying to identify things before they become major problems. But where's your yearly mental? Where's the check-in that asks? How are you actually doing? How are you sleeping? How stressed are you? Are you isolating? How are your relationships? Do you have purpose? Are you taking care of yourself? Are you drinking more? Are you withdrawing? Do you have people around you? Do you have somebody you can actually talk to? That's why we think prevention has to be broader than treatment. And I want to make something very clear. We're not trying to replace treatment. Treatment matters. Therapy matters. Medication can matter. Clinical care matters. Crisis intervention absolutely matters. We're trying to expand the conversation around what happens before treatment is needed. What can happen alongside treatment and what helps people build healthier lives moving forward? Marc, looking back, How much of what eventually became crisis for you was developing long before anybody would have called it crisis? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): It's really simple. 12 years old. I was in middle school doing a report on a JFK assassination. And I had what I know now was my first panic attack. But again, I didn't know it as a panic attack. I just felt my heart beating out of my chest, shortness of breath, sweating. I thought I was having a heart attack even though I was only 12 years old and ran to the back of the class and couldn't finish the presentation. And that happened most of my adult life. And I didn't seek professional help until I was 43 years old, Kelsey. And I was already in the weeds of my addiction. So it was a 30 plus year run up. And I heard the stat with May Mental Health Awareness Month. And it's shocking to me. But they say from the earliest signs to the time somebody seeks some type of professional help. I've heard 11 years and I've heard 12 years go by. So let's just say 11 and a half years go by. And there's a lot of chaos and a lot of bad habits that can develop during those 11 and a half years. And we've talked about this offline quite a bit. And it really does kind of drive me nuts because we're told to go for a physical checkup every year. Yeah. And when you do your questionnaire at the doctor, it asks you, do you have feelings of anxiousness? Do you have feelings of being down or depressed? You know, at a very high level, right? Or do you feel you're drinking? That's all semantics, man. Because I shared with you before, I just thought the anxious feelings I thought was just being a human being. I just thought that the depression that I felt was just going through the ups and downs of life. I didn't realize that I had a medical condition. So how do you think I'm answering those questions? No, because I'm just average. I didn't think that there was anything wrong. I just thought that that's what being a human being was. You're going to have feelings of anxiousness. You're going to have feelings of depression. You know, I really didn't feel like I was drinking more, but in the totality of things, I mean, if you look at from the time that I started drinking to the time I ended drinking, the quantities went up considerably, but it went slow over a period of time. So it's like, okay, are you drinking more than last year? Well, maybe a little bit more, but not too much more. Right. So I've always said since I got into recovery, people go for a physical checkup every year, but they don't do a mental health checkup every year. And I think as a society, we need to do that. Because there is a direct correlation, quite frankly, between your mental health and your physical health. And I did not understand that at all. I had no education with that whatsoever until I started going into treatment and then into recovery. And then I was on this quest for knowledge. So that's where I'm at with that one. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah, definitely. So the next thing I want to talk about is our six lenses, and which lended itself to why this is a six-day summit. So of course, once you've invited all these different worlds into one event, you create another problem. How the hell do you organize it? That's where our six transformation lenses came in. Identity and inner transformation. Who am I? What do I believe about myself? Who am I trying to become? Lens number two. Behavior, habits, and rewiring. I know what I want to change. Why do I keep doing the same things? Lens number three: Body health and performance, movement, nutrition, recovery, physical health, performance, and the connection between our bodies and our minds. lens number four. Life, relationships, and expression. Your relationships, communication, connection, family, grief, purpose. How we show up in our lives. Day number five, business transformation. Because the transformation gap doesn't disappear when you walk into work, you can know exactly what your business needs and still not do it. Leadership, culture, decision making, execution, growth. And then the last day, guides of transformation. And this last one is different because you could reasonably ask: aren't a hundred and thirty plus speakers? Guides of transformation? Absolutely. But that's not what this lens means. The first five asks, how do I change? The sixth asks, how do I help someone else change? A therapist can understand what might help their client. A coach can see exactly where somebody is stuck. A doctor can explain to their patient what needs to actually change. A mentor, teacher, parent, leader, or peer support professional may know exactly what somebody needs. How do you meet somebody where they are? When do you push? When do you listen? When does advice help? When does another piece of advice just become more information they already know? That's guides of transformation. The first five largely examine the person experiencing transformation. The sixth examines the person helping facilitate it. and none of these lenses exist in isolation. Identity affects behavior, behavior affects health, health affects relationships, relationships affect work. And sometimes what helps us begin changing any of those things is having the right person helping us cross that gap. Okay. 130 speakers, six lenses, six days. At this point, somebody's thinking, Kelsey, I have a job. So let's explain how this actually works because we get more questions about this than anything else. The summit runs through September 24th to the 29th. At first, yes, it really is free. You register for free. Each day of the summit focuses on one of those six lenses. And those sessions are pre-recorded. So you're not sitting around waiting for somebody to walk onto a virtual stage at exactly 10 a.m. When that day's lens opens, those presentations are available free during that 24-hour access period. Look at the speakers, look at the topics, and ask yourself, where am I stuck right now? Then choose the conversations that speak to you. And let me take some pressure off everybody right now. Please don't try to watch 130 plus presentations. That's not the assignment. The number isn't there to overwhelm you. It's there to give you choices. Maybe your gap is health. Maybe it's identity. Maybe it's a relationship. Maybe it's a behavior you've been fighting for 20 years. Maybe it's your business. Maybe you're a therapist or coach trying to become better at helping somebody else change. Find your gap. Then find the people who speak to it. If you come to the summit and hear one thing that causes you to do something differently, that's valuable. So that's why the VIP exists. Now, because each day's free content is available for 24 hours. There's an obvious problem. Somebody's going to look at the schedule and say, there are six things I want to watch today, and I have to go to work. That's where VIP comes in. And I want to emphasize this. You do not need VIP to attend the summit. The summit really is free. VIP is simply an option for somebody who wants lifetime access to all of the recordings instead of working within those 24 hour windows. It's $97. We're not hiding it. It's there. It's available. It also includes additional courses, guided implementation resources, and a workshop after. And honestly, the implementation side might be the most important part. So imagine this. Marc and I create an entire summit around the idea knowing isn't enough. Then we give you 130 plus presentations filled with more things to know. You watch 20 presentations, take 60 pages of notes, feel incredibly inspired, and then change absolutely nothing. Congratulations. You just created the biggest transformation gap of the entire summit. That's exactly what we don't want. Success isn't I watched 17 presentations today. Success might be I watched one. And then I made the phone call. I scheduled the appointment. I went for the walk. I asked for help. I apologized. I set the boundary. I changed one behavior. I started. Marc, if somebody goes through these six days and only takes one thing from the entire experience, what would you hope happens? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): going to change your life? It's that simple. It makes a real simple answer. One concept that you run with can not only change your Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): And then you're on the water and Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): life forever, but it can also change everybody's Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): lives inside your household forever as well. And I mean Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): that sincerely, you know, and then regarding the VIP, Kelsey, the $97. You know, I just think one, Okay. It might sound like a lot of money. Think about how much money we blow at friggin Starbucks or McDonald's or 7-Eleven every single day. I mean, it really comes down to one less coffee. It's not even one less coffee a week. It could have cost six, seven bucks for a friggin coffee, you Starbucks, right? To have unlimited access, to get all those tools, but also to have an opportunity to go back and listen to the presentations that spoke to you. But then also go back and listen to presentations that you didn't have time for. I mean, if you just listen to one or two per week over the course of a year, one change might become two changes. Two changes might become three changes. Next thing you know, you got a completely different lifestyle, focusing on mental and physical health and relationships and everything that you talked about. And now you're talking about complete transformation. from my perspective, that's the goal. Start with one. Continue to educate yourself and learn and make changes down the road. Cause that's exactly what I did when I first got sober. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. A hundred percent. And another way that I like to explain it is have you ever been given a piece of advice or just a different perspective or just one thought that made you think differently, that you would say, Man, I don't even know what I would have been willing to pay to have gotten that. We all have the idea that there's never been a concept that we've been given that was worth ninety-seven dollars or more that changed something in our lives. Now, the idea of only having one aha moment out of 130 speakers, you're kidding yourself. These are incredible people that do great work all the time with tens, hundreds, thousands, in some cases, millions of people around the world. You will easily make that $97 back in the first week in value of the implementation. That you are going to be putting into your life literally 24 hours or less later. In fact, a lot of the interviews that I'm asking, I'm finishing with one simple question. What is one thing that somebody can start doing in the next 24 hours? Because we really are all about implementation. One thing that someone can do in the next 24 hours that can help them change their life. That's the question I'm giving them. So far, they've Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): Thank Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): also had they've all had a damn good answer. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): So in regards to what you just said, that's me. I heard a gentleman speak for 45 minutes at a presentation that I didn't even want to go to. was forced to go to. And in 45 minutes, my life changed forever. I had no interest, didn't want to hear the gentleman speak. I really didn't think there was any way out of the lifestyle that I was living. And it was because of his live life experience that he went through a similar journey. It just resonated with me and it changed my life forever. And we don't know out of those 130 speakers, which speaker is going to resonate. mean, there might be somebody that, that, that is speaking that an individual in the audience right now listening to this podcast. And they're going to think that they're speaking directly to them because what they're describing is exactly what they're going through in their life, because that's what happened to me. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. And and I think that brings us back to where we started. People ask, How did you build the Transformation Gap Summit? The answer isn't really LinkedIn or applications, networking. Those are tools we use. The real answer is life. Marc's journey created relationships he never would have had otherwise. Mine did the same. Then somehow our two journeys crossed each other. Those worlds became suffered a tougher. And now we've invited over 130 other worlds to collide with ours. Different countries, different professions, different credentials, different struggles, different successes, different ideas, different lives, all centered around one question. Why can we know what needs to change, sometimes with complete clarity and still struggle to consistently live it? We don't expect every speaker to have the same answer. We don't want them to. Because maybe the perspective that finally helps you cross your gap comes from someone whose life looks absolutely nothing like yours. That's what we're trying to create. September 24th through the 29th, six days, six lenses, 130 plus voices. Virtual, global, and yes, completely free. Don't try to consume everything. Find the conversations that meet you where you are. Listen, learn, and then do something with it. Because if all we give you is more information, we haven't closed the gap at all. Marc, anything you want to leave everyone with? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): The only thing I will say is, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, that this summit can change the world. And I think it's very important right now. The world is hurting, people are hurting. I see that every day at the behavioral health center that I work at, but also with the 20 plus, sometimes 100 plus on the weekend, phone calls, messages, and texts that I get. And, know, I cannot reach out to every single individual asking for help. You can't, it's not humanly possible for you to reach out to everybody that's asking for help. One virtual summit with the type of speakers that we have can change everything. Absolutely everything. So I'm hoping for a great turnout and I hope this resonates with people. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah, and I I'm gonna kind of add on to Marc's comment there. This isn't hyperbole, people. People watch this summit, they start implementing it. It literally has that kind of power. When we approached the speakers that we have with this idea, they were jumping at the chance to be a part of something that they saw the magnitude of what this could become and how many people that this could change, that they were like. I'm in. They realize. Hopefully you realize that too. And don't just get the summit and be quiet about it and take in the information. My gosh, all the people in your world that you care about, encourage them to join the summit as well. We want this to be infectious. We want everyone to say, we remember where we were and the moment in time that we were at in our lives when this summit came about. And it was the thing that changed everything for us. Again, not hyperbole. This is something that we believe can happen. So the registration link for the transformation gap is certainly going to be in our show notes. And before we go, to every speaker that said yes, every person who made an introduction, every affiliate and partner helping us get this message out, everyone helping us put this thing together. And especially everyone who's going to trust us with some of their time during these six days, thank you. We're almost there. September 24th through the 29th. Come join us. And until next time, keep rebuilding, keep moving forward, and keep turning what you know into something you actually live. We will see you next time on the Transformation Gap Summit.