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Decrypting Crypto · She's On The Money

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Speaker 1: She's on the Money. She's on the Money.
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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast
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Speaker 2: for millennials who want financial freedom. Lately, there has been
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Speaker 2: a lot of talk about bitcoin, the popular cryptocurrency which
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Speaker 2: is having a huge moment right now. But what actually
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Speaker 2: is bitcoin, how does it work? And is it a
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Speaker 2: good idea to get involved in? Today Victoria lays her
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Speaker 2: opinions on the table. Oh now, my name is Georgia King,
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Speaker 2: and joining me today for our cryptocurrency chat is financial
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Speaker 2: Advisor Victoria Define. Hello, Viki Dick. Hello, let's get straight
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Speaker 2: into it here, v with a little quick fire around.
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Speaker 2: What I want from you is one sentence answers only here,
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Speaker 2: so no v tangent straight.
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Speaker 3: This was not in the script.
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Speaker 2: But okay, okay, Victoria. Do you own any crypto? No?
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Speaker 3: I don't, Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Do you recommend crypto to any of your clients?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely not, Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't everyone who gets into crypto make heaps of money?
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Speaker 3: They absolutely do not. Okay, Well, we've really started on
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Speaker 3: a negative front.
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Speaker 2: But that's okay, setting the tone for things to come. Now,
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Speaker 2: let's jump in with the basics. What is cryptocurrency and
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Speaker 2: why does it seem like everybody in the world is
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Speaker 2: talking about bitcoin right now.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so everybody is talking about it because it has
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Speaker 3: had such a big surge in recent history. Right, So
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Speaker 3: it did have a big surge a couple of years ago,
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Speaker 3: and then it kind of dropped off a bit, and
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Speaker 3: now it's had another surge again. And now what I
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Speaker 3: need you to understand about this, and you need to
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Speaker 3: before I even explain what this is properly is for
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Speaker 3: you guys to understand the emotional investment journey. And we've
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Speaker 3: spoken about this on other podcasts, but essentially it's kind
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Speaker 3: of like stacks on. It's like you saying to me, Georgia,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, bitcoin, you need to buy crypto, and
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Speaker 3: I go, oh my god. Well, Georgia said, I need
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Speaker 3: to buy crypto, and there's a lot of excitement going around.
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Speaker 3: But what's happening is that excitement of you purchasing because
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Speaker 3: your friend was purchasing and you kind of didn't want
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Speaker 3: to miss out. You had a bit of fomo is
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Speaker 3: actually pushing the price higher because we're playing stacks on,
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Speaker 3: and that is not necessarily a good thing, because you
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Speaker 3: actually don't want to buy something while it's being saturated.
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Speaker 3: That's actually the point of maximum risk in investment. You
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Speaker 3: actually want to purchase when it's really low. That's not
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Speaker 3: to say you should be waiting for it to get
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Speaker 3: to low. We'll explain exactly what it is and why
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Speaker 3: I don't personally invest in it in this episode. So
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Speaker 3: now I'm not super negative when it comes to bitcoin.
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Speaker 3: Albeit I have just expressed a lot of negative views
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Speaker 3: about it in about a thirty second period, which is
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Speaker 3: quite impressive, to be honest. But the reason I don't
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Speaker 3: like bitcoin is because it doesn't fit any of my
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Speaker 3: client's risks profiles, and it genuinely is such a risky
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Speaker 3: asset to me, it is not worth it, regardless of
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Speaker 3: what the returns could potentially be. So jumping right into
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Speaker 3: what it is, cryptocurrency is a form of digital currency,
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Speaker 3: and it's based on what is called blockchain technology. So
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Speaker 3: all of that is a bit of a mouthful, but
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Speaker 3: essentially a blockchain is essentially like a checkbook that's shared
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Speaker 3: across an incredible number of computers around the world in
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Speaker 3: terms of where the blockchain's name comes from. All transactions
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Speaker 3: are recorded in what they call blocks, which are then
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Speaker 3: added to a chain of all previous transactions. It's a
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Speaker 3: distributed ledger sexy name that records all of the transactions
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Speaker 3: that have been made. Now, unlike regular types of currency
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Speaker 3: like dollars or yeens or pounds, cryptocurrency is what we
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Speaker 3: call decentralized, which means it's completely unregulated by any financial
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Speaker 3: authority and exists completely independently from the government or any
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Speaker 3: type of central bank. Now, decentralization, when you explain it
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Speaker 3: like that, does sound pretty good. It does have a
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Speaker 3: number of perks, like crypto currency being a global currency
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Speaker 3: with the same value everywhere in the world. Kind of cool,
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Speaker 3: especially in twenty twenty one. However, the flip side of
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Speaker 3: that is that cryptocurrency is extremely risky, which I mentioned before. Now,
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Speaker 3: if we look at stats in December twenty twenty, the
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Speaker 3: total value of all cryptocurrencies was he in excess of
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Speaker 3: six hundred and forty five point seven billion dollars. The
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Speaker 3: total value of bitcoins came to around four hundred and
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Speaker 3: twenty one billion dollars. So bitcoin is the key player here,
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Speaker 3: let's be brutally honest, but it's not the only type
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Speaker 3: of cryptocurrency. There are more than six seven hundred different
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Speaker 3: types of cryptocurrencies out there, according to a website we've
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Speaker 3: never referred to before called coin marketcap dot com.
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Speaker 2: I trust them so trustworthy.
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Speaker 3: Let's keep it. Don't question today?
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Speaker 2: Is bitcoin on everyone's lips? You mentioned before that it
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Speaker 2: has had that massive surge, but it's not the first
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Speaker 2: time we've heard of bitcoin. It was floating around a
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago, right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And I think it would be naive of
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Speaker 3: me to say, oh, no, one's going to make money
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Speaker 3: with this, Like I genuinely know people in real life
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Speaker 3: who have made bank from buying bitcoin. I'm not saying
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Speaker 3: this is not something that if it appeals to you,
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Speaker 3: you shouldn't invest your money in. What you need to
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Speaker 3: understand is it is incredibly risky. Essentially, bitcoin could disappear
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Speaker 3: tomorrow and no one will be none the wiser the
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Speaker 3: end of the day. What happens if it gets taken down,
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Speaker 3: what happens if it gets deleted off the internet. Essentially
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Speaker 3: there is no basis for it. So if we talk
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Speaker 3: about a share in a company, let's take a bank,
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Speaker 3: because that's quite a bland example. You buy a share
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Speaker 3: of bank A and what that share gives you is
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Speaker 3: the ability to have some of their income and also
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Speaker 3: have some of their capital growth. And there is a
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Speaker 3: physical asset that is making that money. There are people
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Speaker 3: behind it making work. Whereas bitcoin, and we say bitcoin,
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Speaker 3: but that's like a brand of cryptocurrency cryptocurrency. There's nobody
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Speaker 3: actually making it work. It is something that has been
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Speaker 3: digitally created and we are as humans putting a value
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Speaker 3: on that.
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Speaker 2: And it's a currency.
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Speaker 3: It's a currency, so you can trade on the internet
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Speaker 3: with it. You can purchase things on the internet. It's
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Speaker 3: not as common as you know, being able to PayPal something, yeah,
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Speaker 3: but you can definitely purchase things. One of the reasons
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Speaker 3: why people on the internet especially love this and why
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Speaker 3: I guess it goes so far back. It's kind of
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Speaker 3: a little bit underground, right, So you could purchase bitcoins
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Speaker 3: to make anonymous purchases online, so you can imagine the
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Speaker 3: types of content that people are purchasing when you know,
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Speaker 3: you can be completely so it's not actually got good bases,
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Speaker 3: if that makes sense. So, like you know, decentralization is great,
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Speaker 3: having you know, the same value all around the world.
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Speaker 3: We're seeing all these positives. It's great. But the reason
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Speaker 3: a lot of people initially wanted it was to be
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Speaker 3: super anonymous and purchase things that potentially they shouldn't have
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Speaker 3: been purchasing online.
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Speaker 2: And what is the value of bitcoin right now?
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Speaker 3: Bitcoin is essentially back, I guess has gone in ebbs
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Speaker 3: and flows. But bitcoin is bad because of its recent
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Speaker 3: jump in value. Essentially it has gone up forty two
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars each bitcoin, not a little bit, not overall, like,
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Speaker 3: each bitcoin is now worth forty two thousand dollars more
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Speaker 3: than it was historically, which people seem to think is
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Speaker 3: the result of a wave of money from institutional investors,
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Speaker 3: which was propelled by COVID nineteen.
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Speaker 2: Right, okay, so tell us more about bitcoin. It's obviously
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Speaker 2: the largest form of cryptocurrency.
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Speaker 3: So the Bitcoin Market Journal, which is a real thing,
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Speaker 3: estimated that there are over one hundred million bitcoin users globally.
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Speaker 3: It was created more than a decade ago in January
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Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, which happens to be the year
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Speaker 3: I graduated high school Georgia, which turns out more than
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Speaker 3: a decade ago, which followed on from the financial crash
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Speaker 3: of two thousand and eight, which you guys would have
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Speaker 3: heard of as the GFC. Yes, it was designed as
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Speaker 3: an alternative to government and central banks controlling the money
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Speaker 3: and the economy, so kind of made a bit of
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Speaker 3: sense at the time. There are no actual physical bitcoin,
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Speaker 3: so when you buy bitcoin, you don't actually get a
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Speaker 3: piece of a bitcoin. There's no actual tangible cash. Instead,
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Speaker 3: it's just balances on a public transparent ledger system known
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Speaker 3: as blockchain. So that's where that comes in, which we
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Speaker 3: mentioned before, which is verified by an incredible amount of
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Speaker 3: computing power. So all of it is kind of and
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Speaker 3: you can look into it and understand it deeply, and
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Speaker 3: there are going to be a lot of people commenting
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Speaker 3: on this being like Victoria, you've really simplified it so
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Speaker 3: much more complex. Here's how it works. I get that.
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Speaker 3: I fully understand that. Please do not think for two
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Speaker 3: seconds that we haven't done our research here. I don't
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Speaker 3: fully understand it. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: I genuinely don't believe that a lot of our listeners
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Speaker 3: understand what bitcoin is apart from a thing that you're
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Speaker 3: able to buy online that you know is worth a
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Speaker 3: lot and is a bit of a hype right now.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's a bit worrying because these types
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Speaker 3: of people who are saying, oh my gosh, well, I'm
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Speaker 3: going to buy a bitcoin. I've done my research. Like,
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Speaker 3: you don't understand your risk profile, you don't understand your
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Speaker 3: long term investment strategy, you don't understand what you should
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Speaker 3: actually be putting into a well diversified portfolio. Yet you're
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Speaker 3: jumping straight to the risky assasst that I believe you
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Speaker 3: could purchase.
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Speaker 2: Sure, And a lot of people would think that being
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Speaker 2: well researched means like how to chat with dad. Dad
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Speaker 2: bought a bitcoin. Now it's doubled in value. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to do it as well. That isn't actually proper research there,
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Speaker 2: so oh my.
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Speaker 3: Gosh, yes, And like, please do not get me wrong.
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Speaker 3: I have friends and I also have you know, acquaintances
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Speaker 3: in people that I know who have made more than
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Speaker 3: a million dollars from bitcoin. We're not talking they've made
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Speaker 3: a million dollars this year because they bought it, because
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Speaker 3: they're increased in value. I know people who bought it
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Speaker 3: when like I can't remember what it started off as,
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Speaker 3: but like they bought a bitcoin for eight bucks, right,
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Speaker 3: and they made bank.
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Speaker 2: So this is back in the day.
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Speaker 3: Like this is way back in the day. Like I
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Speaker 3: remember when I was in high school, I did circulate
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Speaker 3: with the cool kids who talked about blockchain technology, spent
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Speaker 3: all their time in the library, and at that point
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Speaker 3: they were talking about it really yep. And I remember
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Speaker 3: them talking about it in online forums and being like,
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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this is the way of the future,
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Speaker 3: meeting like I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah this wow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So at that point I literally had no idea.
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Speaker 3: But it has been around for a while, it definitely
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Speaker 3: has surged in popularity, and it's also come back again.
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Speaker 3: But I do believe the way it's come back is
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Speaker 3: because we're seeing institutions actually invest in this because they
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Speaker 3: see a future in it, which makes retail investors like
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Speaker 3: you are High Georgia a little bit more comfortable with
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Speaker 3: it because you're like, well, if big instos are backing it, well,
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Speaker 3: obviously it's safe. That does not mean that. It just
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Speaker 3: means they see a potential return that they want exposure to.
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Speaker 2: And can you talk a little bit more about the
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Speaker 2: hype around this and how much FOMO is really playing
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Speaker 2: into everyone buying into this right now?
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Speaker 3: I think people genuinely just want to be involved in
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Speaker 3: what they think is going to be the next big thing, Like,
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Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I get fomo. When people start
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Speaker 3: really deeply talking about bitcoin, I'm like, oh, is it
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Speaker 3: worth it? Maybe? But at the same time, I know
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Speaker 3: me per I would not want to be exposed to that.
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Speaker 3: I'm very conservative. It is absolutely not something I should
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Speaker 3: be dabbling with or even playing with. But I do
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Speaker 3: know people who have done it and people who are
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Speaker 3: continuing to do it and enjoying it, So we're not
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Speaker 3: saying here that it is a really bad thing. I
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Speaker 3: think my negativity right now is actually coming from a
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Speaker 3: place of concern because I'm seeing so many people post
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Speaker 3: in our community and asking comments about like how do
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Speaker 3: I buy a bitcoin, and like we need to educate ourselves.
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Speaker 3: We need to have this conversation and just say, look,
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Speaker 3: this is great. It's a form of currency. It is
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Speaker 3: a form of currency that you're able to invest in.
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Speaker 3: But that form of currency has no physical basis. You
11:41
Speaker 3: don't have a business behind it that maybe if they
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Speaker 3: don't make profit and you don't get dividends, like it's okay,
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Speaker 3: because the next year it might perform again, like it
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Speaker 3: could literally disappear, and that's one of the risks that
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Speaker 3: you're taking. And I think that people assume that the
11:55
Speaker 3: share market is similar to that, when in reality it
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Speaker 3: absolutely isn't. And if you're only exposure to quote investing
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Speaker 3: is in bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and things that you can
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Speaker 3: actually lose significant amounts of cash, like, you're going to
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Speaker 3: be tainted by that. You're not going to feel comfortable
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Speaker 3: with investing, and you're going to put you know, your
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Speaker 3: financial future at a disadvantage because you don't actually fully
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Speaker 3: understand it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the fact that it's not backed by
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Speaker 2: any anything of substance is quite scary as well. When
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Speaker 2: I was reading up on bitcoin, it was just created
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Speaker 2: by some literally like some guy off the back of
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Speaker 2: the global financial crissis, and it's so elusive and like
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Speaker 2: he now doesn't exist and it's all it's it's weird.
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Speaker 3: So it's weird, and it is one of those things
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Speaker 3: that we can talk about until the cows come home.
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Speaker 3: But I just really wanted to talk about it so
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Speaker 3: that you guys know that we are addressing it at
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Speaker 3: the same time as going, oh, I'm not exactly going
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Speaker 3: to do an entire podcast on how to buy a
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Speaker 3: bitcoin and what type of asset it is, Like, I'm
12:56
Speaker 3: currently doing this mini series of the four asset classes
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Speaker 3: that you can investing in Australia that are safe and
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Speaker 3: that are you know, going to be in line with
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Speaker 3: your invested profile once you work out what that is.
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Speaker 3: So we're talking cash, talking fixed interest, we're talking shares
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Speaker 3: and property. Those things, while they carry risk. When we
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Speaker 3: talk about risk, those risks are significantly different to the
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Speaker 3: type of risk that you take when you take your
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Speaker 3: hard earned money and put it into an asset that
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Speaker 3: you cannot trace on the internet.
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Speaker 2: It just feels like gambling to me, like I am
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Speaker 2: completely risk averse in every sense, and to me, I'm
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Speaker 2: just like, there's no way I would ever consider this,
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Speaker 2: but obviously a lot of people are, and that's why
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Speaker 2: we're talking about it. But I wanted to ask you
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Speaker 2: b what the history of bitcoin has been like, because
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Speaker 2: I know a few years back it did really boom
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Speaker 2: and everyone was talking about it, but then it plummeted.
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Speaker 2: The value just went straight on down and it was
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Speaker 2: kind of embarrassing and we were like, oh, Bitcoin, those
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Speaker 2: silly people, they are the geniuses. Yes they sold them
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Speaker 2: or trade them or however exactly.
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Speaker 3: And that's what we've got to remember. Like big coin
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Speaker 3: has some really high highs and some also really low lows.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's one of those assets that I
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Speaker 3: wouldn't want my share portfolio to look like that. So
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Speaker 3: if we're talking about historicals, at the end of twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 3: bitcoin traded it close to twenty thousand dollars, so when
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Speaker 3: we talk about bitcoins, we're talking about one bitcoin Georgia.
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Speaker 3: At the end of twenty seventeen, bitcoin was trading it
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Speaker 3: close to twenty thousand dollars per bitcoin, but twelve months
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Speaker 3: later it was only worth three thousand, two hundred dollars.
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Speaker 3: So if you went and purchased a twenty thousand dollar bitcoin,
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Speaker 3: you'd be, you know, maybe going home with your bat
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Speaker 3: and ball with your tail between your legs. But now
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Speaker 3: two years on from that, it's trading at super high
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Speaker 3: levels again, and one bitcoin is now worth forty two
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars, So it is having a very up and
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Speaker 3: down journey, but at the same time it is still
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Speaker 3: just as risky as it was historically. Now there are
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Speaker 3: going to be a lot of people that believe the
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Speaker 3: bitcoin is the way of the future, because, as we
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Speaker 3: were talking about before, it's a global currency like a
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Speaker 3: bitcoin today in Australia is worth exactly what a bitcoin
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Speaker 3: in London is worth. It is exactly what a bitcoin
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Speaker 3: in Africa is worth, and that's kind of cool that
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Speaker 3: we'd have a centralized currency system. Finally, the scary thing
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Speaker 3: for me is that centralized currency system has no basis.
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Speaker 3: We don't know where it came from, we don't know
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Speaker 3: how that bitcoin was made. And I'm sure there are
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Speaker 3: a lot of you know, really tech savvy people who
15:24
Speaker 3: are going to turn around me and be like, well, Victoria,
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Speaker 3: and I get that. But if I, as a financial advisor,
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Speaker 3: who I would argue is relatively well educated, cannot understand
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Speaker 3: the basis of this investment or this business for me
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Speaker 3: to put my hard earned money into, it's a no
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Speaker 3: from me, So Georgia. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: this isn't a stable investment by any stretch of the imagination.
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Speaker 3: And though it increases and that sounds really exciting, it's
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Speaker 3: just an indicative of how volatile of an investment this is.
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Speaker 3: So I think that what we really need to take
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Speaker 3: from this is if you want to invest in bitcoin, fantastic,
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Speaker 3: But what I want you to do is go and
16:04
Speaker 3: do your research. I want you to understand each and
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Speaker 3: every single aspect of it, the pros, the cons, whether
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Speaker 3: it works for you. And I think that you really
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Speaker 3: need to, as a human put yourself in the best
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Speaker 3: possible position and go, is there something that I'm willing
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Speaker 3: to risk? And you know what, if you are willing
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Speaker 3: to risk that money and say, all right, well, if
16:23
Speaker 3: I invest in bitcoin, I want you to be comfortable
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Speaker 3: with the idea that you won't get any of that
16:28
Speaker 3: money that you've invested back. And if you can't say
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Speaker 3: you're comfortable with that, don't do it. You're listening to
16:39
Speaker 3: She's on the Money with Victoria Devine and Georgia King.
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Speaker 2: Now, please don't forget, guys, that the podcast is not
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Speaker 2: the only space you can find Victoria and the team.
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Speaker 2: We have a booming Facebook group, one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 2: thousand people in that wild.
16:56
Speaker 3: How good is that? I know, I've got so many friends.
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Speaker 2: I think it's safe to say.
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Speaker 2: but let's get back into this chat with the serious stuff.
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Speaker 3: Fee.
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Speaker 2: We've heard a lot of hype about bitcoin lately, but
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Speaker 2: what are the dangers of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies?
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Speaker 3: Like, at the end of the day, I feel like
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Speaker 3: I have covered this, so sorry to anyone listening at
17:33
Speaker 3: home and doesn't want to hear me reiterate points over
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Speaker 3: and over. But at the end of the day, it
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Speaker 3: is extremely risky and it is volatile. If you're going
17:41
Speaker 3: to invest, I just need you, like I really really
17:44
Speaker 3: need you to be prepared to lose some more all
17:46
Speaker 3: of your money. It's not really a question for me.
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Speaker 3: It's something that says you're actually taking a bit of
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Speaker 3: a punt on this. You could lose everything that you
17:54
Speaker 3: put in, and I think that that is something that
17:57
Speaker 3: you need to consider and go, Okay, well, if I
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Speaker 3: lost it all, it wouldn't hurt me. Maybe it's a
18:02
Speaker 3: couple of one hundred dollars and you go, yep, that's
18:04
Speaker 3: that's the risk I'm willing to take. But if it's not,
18:07
Speaker 3: my friend, we shouldn't be doing that and to kind
18:10
Speaker 3: of put this into some level of understandable framework. I
18:13
Speaker 3: guess we can look at it from a profit and
18:15
Speaker 3: lost angle. Right, if you invested in bitcoin at the
18:18
Speaker 3: start of last year, you would have been sitting at
18:20
Speaker 3: about three hundred percent profit by the end of twenty twenty.
18:23
Speaker 3: So that's not bad. That's that's pretty quite good, it's
18:25
Speaker 3: quite smart. But if you'd invested at the start of
18:29
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, and so many people did this is not uncommon,
18:33
Speaker 3: that was a very high purchase time, and then you
18:36
Speaker 3: sold at the end of that year, you would have
18:38
Speaker 3: lost seventy three percent of your money, which is obviously
18:41
Speaker 3: a massive fluctuation. But again, it's about when you get
18:44
Speaker 3: into the market and when you get out of the
18:47
Speaker 3: market and working out how to seize an opportunity, which
18:50
Speaker 3: is not always clear. And I know that a lot
18:52
Speaker 3: of people lost a lot of money because they thought
18:56
Speaker 3: the bitcoin would go up and up and up and up,
18:58
Speaker 3: and they left their money and what go up, even
19:00
Speaker 3: though they should have pulled it out and you know,
19:02
Speaker 3: just taken their profits and run, they didn't, and they
19:06
Speaker 3: lost a lot. And like, I'm just not I'm not
19:09
Speaker 3: a risky person. My friends and literally, just like anything,
19:13
Speaker 3: the value of cryptocurrency is can I start calling it? Crypto?
19:16
Speaker 3: Are cool enough? The value of crypto is tied to
19:19
Speaker 3: supply and demand, but it's super difficult to determine what
19:23
Speaker 3: will actually drive up and down the price beyond that,
19:26
Speaker 3: which makes it super risky because we can't say, oh, okay,
19:29
Speaker 3: new problems, like this industry's done really well, therefore we'll
19:32
Speaker 3: probably see an increase in price. Like we literally don't
19:35
Speaker 3: know what drives bitcoin or crypto for that better.
19:39
Speaker 2: Now, you said earlier that you have not invested in
19:43
Speaker 2: crypto or biggoin you don't intend to. I feel like
19:46
Speaker 2: we are getting a sense of why, But are there
19:48
Speaker 2: any other reasons you haven't mentioned yet?
19:50
Speaker 3: To be honest, it just feels really risky and not
19:52
Speaker 3: something that I'm going to be adding to my portfolio
19:55
Speaker 3: in the near future or at all. I just don't
19:58
Speaker 3: believe in owning bitcoin because it just doesn't align to
20:01
Speaker 3: my values and what I'm looking to achieve. And I'm
20:04
Speaker 3: definitely one of those people that looks at my investment
20:08
Speaker 3: portfolio and I much prefer, you know, my portfolio is
20:12
Speaker 3: earning more than this, but i'd much prefer a steady
20:15
Speaker 3: income stream of five percent growth every single year than
20:19
Speaker 3: the three hundred percent growth with the chance to lose
20:22
Speaker 3: seventy three percent of my money. Like, I just don't
20:24
Speaker 3: want to put myself in those shoes.
20:25
Speaker 2: And you don't think it's the future of finance in
20:28
Speaker 2: any way.
20:28
Speaker 3: Once I see some more serious statistics and some more
20:32
Speaker 3: big names getting behind it and really understanding what that
20:35
Speaker 3: looks like. Sure, right now it doesn't make a lot
20:38
Speaker 3: of sense to me.
20:39
Speaker 2: And what would you say is a safer alternative? If
20:41
Speaker 2: people are super excited by the high return that bitcoin
20:44
Speaker 2: seems to be providing, but there may be thinking it's
20:47
Speaker 2: not a good choice.
20:48
Speaker 3: Now, Well, we're all really excited about really high returns, right,
20:51
Speaker 3: Like I said, cause the money. But I said to you, hey, Georgia,
20:54
Speaker 3: put all your money here, you'll get five hundred percent return.
20:57
Speaker 3: You'd be like, okay, But like that's really scared. Like
21:00
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, there isn't a safe
21:03
Speaker 3: or alternative that is going to give you any level
21:06
Speaker 3: near that return. If I told you the best investment
21:09
Speaker 3: in the world, it's business. Having your own business is
21:13
Speaker 3: the biggest and most well producing asset in the world.
21:17
Speaker 3: That's what I heard say, And obviously I can't give advice.
21:20
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, like you're not
21:22
Speaker 3: going to see something similar, there isn't a safe alternative
21:25
Speaker 3: because if there was, you definitely wouldn't be getting three
21:28
Speaker 3: hundred percent return.
21:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've decided that I want to buy a super yacht. Okay,
21:34
Speaker 2: So I've been thinking that I want to start a business,
21:37
Speaker 2: but all I can think of is cheese mungering. But
21:39
Speaker 2: I also don't really know how to do that.
21:41
Speaker 3: Okay, this is new, this is different. Maybe we can
21:44
Speaker 3: take this off line.
21:46
Speaker 2: Okay. So bitcoin is highly risky. It's not going to
21:51
Speaker 2: help you buy a super yacht. I mean it might,
21:53
Speaker 2: but probably not in a sustainable.
21:55
Speaker 3: If you buy a super yacht, can I go on it?
21:57
Speaker 2: Of course?
21:58
Speaker 3: Will maybe go buy a super ya? Would your bitcoin profit?
22:02
Speaker 2: So if anyone has listened to today's show and is
22:04
Speaker 2: still thinking of going down the bitcoin line, they've already decided.
22:08
Speaker 2: What words of wisdom would you leave them with?
22:10
Speaker 3: Do your research? Understand what platform you're purchasing from. There
22:13
Speaker 3: are lots of fake platforms that will take your money
22:16
Speaker 3: and not produce a bitcoin for you. Understand the basis
22:21
Speaker 3: of the investment and work out how long you are
22:23
Speaker 3: going to be invested. Also have a chat to yourself
22:26
Speaker 3: about when you're going to pull that money out, because
22:29
Speaker 3: I think people get greedy and you don't think that
22:32
Speaker 3: you're going to be that greedy person, but when you
22:34
Speaker 3: see the numbers going up, like what's your number, that
22:37
Speaker 3: you're going to take your money off the table?
22:39
Speaker 2: App Okay, fabulous, well said. I think unfortunately it is
22:42
Speaker 2: time to end our show there, but I think it
22:45
Speaker 2: could be worth having this conversation continuing it.
22:47
Speaker 3: On the face, look, it's really interesting. It's a little
22:49
Speaker 3: bit pervy. But summary of all of this, I want
22:52
Speaker 3: you to understand that it is not something I endorse,
22:54
Speaker 3: but if you want to have chats about it, I
22:56
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Speaker 2: Of course please remember guys that the advice sheared on
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Speaker 2: And it'll get me closer to buying that super hoest.
24:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is arguably the most important.
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Speaker 2: Sp Until next week, guys.
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Speaker 3: Bye,