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Award Winning Director Colette Ghunim · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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  Speaker 1: Welcome listeners, we have an awesome guest for you today,
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  Speaker 1: but before we get to the episode, we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: give you a bio on our guest, Colette Gunim. She's
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  Speaker 1: not only a filmmaker, she also co founded an profit.
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  Speaker 1: In her film, she uses the power of film and
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  Speaker 1: storytelling for those oppressed around the world to be seen, heard,
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  Speaker 1: and to heal. She is a director and in her
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  Speaker 1: first film, The People's Girls. In twenty sixteen. It received
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  Speaker 1: over two million views and won the Best Short Documentary
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  Speaker 1: at the Arab Film Festival. In this episode, we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Traces of Home, her first feature length film, which
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  Speaker 1: documents her inner quest to find home through unearthing her
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  Speaker 1: parents forced migrations from Mexico and Palestine. This film is
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  Speaker 1: distributed with Watermelon Pictures and supported by the Sun Dance
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  Speaker 1: Institute and is currently on the festival circuit and won
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  Speaker 1: the Grand Jury Prize for the Best US Documentary at
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  Speaker 1: the doc NYC. Collette as a twenty twenty three Obama
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  Speaker 1: leader and has been highlighted on international outlets such as
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  Speaker 1: The Huffington Post, Al Jazeera, Univision, and ted X. So
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  Speaker 1: you've got two TEDEX presenters on this episode, Eddie and I.
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  Speaker 1: I both watched Traces of Home and loved it. It
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  Speaker 1: was so powerful, So we were really excited when we
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  Speaker 1: got a chance to interview Colette on this podcast. So,
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  Speaker 1: without further adieu, let's get to the episode. All right,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to MMHC. Everyone give a warm round of
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  Speaker 1: applause and a warm welcome to Colette Gounim.
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  Speaker 2: We're here, she's here. Thank you. For being here.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, we are so excited to have you. And boy,
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  Speaker 1: we loved watching your documentary about your journey your family,
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  Speaker 1: so nice. Easy question for you to start off with,
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  Speaker 1: how did you get into filmmaking?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, well, thank you again for being having me on
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  Speaker 4: this podcast. And I'm really so grateful and honored because
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  Speaker 4: the topics that you all cover are just like so
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  Speaker 4: directly aligned.
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  Speaker 3: With the film.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm super excited to get to dive in. So
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  Speaker 4: I started with filmmaking actually through my father, who was
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  Speaker 4: a wedding videographer, and so I was always around cameras
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  Speaker 4: and editing growing up, but I never thought of it
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  Speaker 4: as a career until I went to work at my
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  Speaker 4: first film festival in college.
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  Speaker 3: And going to a film.
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  Speaker 4: Festival and watching all these incredible documentaries specifically that immersed
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  Speaker 4: so deeply in different people's stories from around the world,
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  Speaker 4: and getting to meet the filmmakers, I was absolutely so
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  Speaker 4: inspired by the power of film and its ability to
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  Speaker 4: do social change work too. So that was the starting point,
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  Speaker 4: and then I went straight in and I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I need to learn how to do this myself.
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, justin I got to see the film. One
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  Speaker 2: of the cool parts about you sharing like you got
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  Speaker 2: inspired like with your dad was that you mentioned that
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  Speaker 2: he filmed like a lot of Kingsana's I'm Mexican, You're
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  Speaker 2: part of Mexican. I was like, fuck, yeah, that's coolest.
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  Speaker 2: It made me feel right at home, and I appreciated
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  Speaker 2: just kind of the little clips from like previous Conciana's Inex.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, they haven't changed that much in all
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  Speaker 2: these years. It's all the same thing. So I thought
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  Speaker 2: that was awesome. I just what was it last year,
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  Speaker 2: two years ago? I've been to a Kinciniata recently two
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  Speaker 2: and like one year. I'm like, yeah, it's all the
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  Speaker 2: same thing. I love it. Wow, Wow, I guess tell
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  Speaker 2: us a little bit. Like your documentary is titled Traces
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  Speaker 2: of Home, tell us a little bit about it. And
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  Speaker 2: then I have a super cliche question that I'll ask
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  Speaker 2: you after. But just I know we introduced you in
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  Speaker 2: the beginning, but just tell us give us like the
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to say elevator pitch. Just give us
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  Speaker 2: your your best kind of like little snippet to get
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  Speaker 2: get our listeners intrigued.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, as we're saying in the film world, the log line,
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  Speaker 4: I can give the log line. So Traces of Home
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  Speaker 4: is my first future length documentary, and it follows the
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  Speaker 4: journey of me returning to both my parents' homelands in
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  Speaker 4: Mexico and Palestine to find the homes that they were
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  Speaker 4: forced to leave as children. So it's really this exploration
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  Speaker 4: of trying to figure out where is home for myself
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  Speaker 4: as a child of immigrants, growing up in the suburbs
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  Speaker 4: of Chicago and feeling that total disconnect. And then it
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  Speaker 4: starts to go much deeper, which we will talk more
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  Speaker 4: through around intergenerational trauma and we're not trying to find
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  Speaker 4: home elsewhere too.
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  Speaker 2: It was super good. Just and I both got to
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  Speaker 2: watch it right before this, and I, yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: I would get to it a little later. But there's
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  Speaker 2: definitely some points where I'm like, my god, I'm like
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  Speaker 2: I started watching it. I had hopefully don't tell my boss,
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  Speaker 2: but I started watching a little bit at work, I
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  Speaker 2: had some free time at home. I finished it at
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  Speaker 2: home and I was sitting in the corner like of
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  Speaker 2: the living room. My girlfriend's watching TV, and I'm watching
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  Speaker 2: it and just like silently like tearing up to myself,
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  Speaker 2: just like as I'm watching the ending of it, so
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  Speaker 2: we'll get to it in a little bit. But yes,
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  Speaker 2: it was a journey. It was my cliche question like
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  Speaker 2: where where'd you get the inspiration for this? Like where
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  Speaker 2: did you decide? Like because I knew, I know it
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  Speaker 2: was a pretty long process from like start to end,
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  Speaker 2: like where'd you get the inspiration that this is the
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  Speaker 2: direction you wanted to go?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So the first direction was that I caught the
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  Speaker 4: travel bug when I was in college and I got
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  Speaker 4: to study abroad and got to start really learning about
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  Speaker 4: both my cultures, like in Latin America and in the
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  Speaker 4: Arab world, and yet could not go back to Mexico
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  Speaker 4: or Palestine because both of them were on the travel ban.
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  Speaker 4: And so I was like I was adjacent to all
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  Speaker 4: of my culture but never going back to my home land.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, Wow, it would be so great
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  Speaker 4: to get to go back at some point and maybe
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  Speaker 4: like to make some sort of film about going back.
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  Speaker 4: And it was just like percolating in my mind until
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  Speaker 4: twenty seventeen with the family separations at the border and
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  Speaker 4: the refugee ban, with the previous administration and our current
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  Speaker 4: administration that it just felt so imperative to share my
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  Speaker 4: parents own migration stories to talk about who immigrants really are,
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  Speaker 4: and that I felt so compelled to have my parents'
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  Speaker 4: stories because they were so similar to what had happened
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  Speaker 4: to what was going on then and what's still going
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  Speaker 4: on today too. Where my mom, she was a survivor
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  Speaker 4: of domestic violence. Her father was extremely abusive and an alcoholic,
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  Speaker 4: and so my grandmother took her children, my mom and
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  Speaker 4: her siblings, and crossed the border to the US and never.
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  Speaker 3: Returned back to Mexico.
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  Speaker 4: And then on my dad's side, he was in the
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  Speaker 4: Nekba in nineteen forty eight from the creation of what
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  Speaker 4: is now known as Israel, and his home was taken
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  Speaker 4: they had to flee, and he also never went back
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  Speaker 4: since he was four years old. And so it just
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  Speaker 4: felt so important to say, like, Okay, why do people
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  Speaker 4: come to the US. It's not just you know, to
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  Speaker 4: have fun or like it's a new life, the American dream.
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  Speaker 4: Like a lot of people are coming here because they
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  Speaker 4: literally are running away from extremely dire situations. And so
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  Speaker 4: that's where it started, and then it unfolded into something
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  Speaker 4: completely different, pretty much more layers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you saying that. I remember typing up
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  Speaker 2: a question and maybe more of a statement of like
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to butcher it, but it was something along
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  Speaker 2: the lines of, just like, how can anyone watch, you know,
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  Speaker 2: your film something like this, or see the stories of
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  Speaker 2: immigrants and why they're moving. You're right, it's not all
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  Speaker 2: just this like rainbows and butterflies of like the quote
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  Speaker 2: American dream, right, Like there's people fleeing danger and fleeing
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  Speaker 2: for their lives. And I just remember typing something of like,
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  Speaker 2: I just can't fathom why people see this kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing and see these stories and still feel like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: people like that don't need to be here, like we
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  Speaker 2: don't need immigrants or anything in this country, Like it's
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  Speaker 2: just yeah, yeah, And as the son of two Mexican immigrants,
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  Speaker 2: I'm yeah, a lot of this resonated with me. So
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you mentioning that, because I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people are just like, well, yeah, they're just coming
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  Speaker 2: here to take resources and blah blah blah. It's it's
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  Speaker 2: so much more than that. It's not a black and
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  Speaker 2: white thing like people try and make it out.
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  Speaker 4: To be totally totally like who's going to risk their life,
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  Speaker 4: like going through the desert, all of these things like
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  Speaker 4: there must be something real, thrilled, serious happening.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to go through that level of.
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  Speaker 4: Precarious situations like yes, yes, I totally agree to you ready.
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  Speaker 5: And those trauma stories from your parents were so gripping.
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  Speaker 5: And one of the reasons I love the documentary so
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  Speaker 5: much is because as I was going watching through and
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  Speaker 5: taking notes, I had all these questions, and all these
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  Speaker 5: questions popped up, and you answered them a lot throughout
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  Speaker 5: the documentary, which I think is a really good sign
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  Speaker 5: of a good documentary that the natural questions that popped up,
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  Speaker 5: you were curious about them, and you dove into them.
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  Speaker 5: So my question being, with everything that happened to your
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  Speaker 5: parents before this process started, before you started making the documentary,
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  Speaker 5: how much did you know about their trauma and what
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  Speaker 5: they went through.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I knew like the basics of their stories.
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  Speaker 4: That it felt like some far distant away fairy tale
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  Speaker 4: fantasy that never it just felt so far away from
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  Speaker 4: my own life in the suburbs of Chicago that I
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  Speaker 4: was like, Wow, that's tough.
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  Speaker 3: And then it became but I was like, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: it didn't.
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  Speaker 4: Register because I was just so focused on my own
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  Speaker 4: life as a teenager and all of the things, and
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  Speaker 4: then it really all of it started to really come
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  Speaker 4: through as I began to see what was happening in
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  Speaker 4: the administration. Really twenty seventeen was like a wake up
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  Speaker 4: call for me, and that I was like, oh, my goodness,
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  Speaker 4: this is exactly the same thing. Is what my mom
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  Speaker 4: was talking about of her being separated at the border
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  Speaker 4: from her mom? Yes, so yes, That's when it was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: this is actually very very real. And then as we
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  Speaker 4: started to unpack more in the interviews that I began
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  Speaker 4: to get a much stronger understanding, and also learning more
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  Speaker 4: about the occupation in Palestine was just like yes, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of learning and unlearning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things that thought was interesting was
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  Speaker 2: your brother said something about like he didn't really notice
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  Speaker 2: at a young age that you guys were like Palestini
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  Speaker 2: in a Mexican in this like Suburbana in Chicago and
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  Speaker 2: like kind of similar justice question, like when did you
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  Speaker 2: guys start to notice there was like differences like among
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  Speaker 2: between you guys and the people that you were around,
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  Speaker 2: Like when is that really start to pop up for
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  Speaker 2: you guys? Mmm?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, So for myself, I can't speak for my brother,
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  Speaker 4: but for myself, I did grow up in a very
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  Speaker 4: first it was like a mostly majority white neighborhood in
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  Speaker 4: my elementary school, and then when I went to high school,
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  Speaker 4: it was more diverse, and so I befriended a lot
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  Speaker 4: of different people from different cultures, and so I didn't
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  Speaker 4: really think about making friends based off of my ethnic.
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  Speaker 3: Group until I went to college.
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  Speaker 4: And in college is where I discovered that many people
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  Speaker 4: were befriending people based off of their own friend groups,
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  Speaker 4: based off of their own racial groups. And so like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: all the white folk hang out the white folk, Asian
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  Speaker 4: woung out the Asians, Latino would hang out with Latino's,
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  Speaker 4: Arabs would hang out with Arabs, and I was like, well,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't grow up with any I didn't grow up with.
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  Speaker 3: The Arab culture. I didn't grow up with Latin ex culture.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't definitely didn't feel like I fit in with
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  Speaker 4: like the sorority frat life at all, and so it
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  Speaker 4: felt like I was just like floating as this mixed
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  Speaker 4: kid that couldn't find any grasp of belonging in college,
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  Speaker 4: and that's when I really started to feel like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know who I am?
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  Speaker 3: What is my identity as a mixed kid. Yeah? It
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  Speaker 3: was tough, tough.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about so you mentioned like the social
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  Speaker 2: impacts it had on you, especially like at an older age,
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like, what is a justin when our
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  Speaker 2: prefrontal cortex is more developed. It's like kind of around there, right, like.
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  Speaker 1: Early twenties for females, twenties for males.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, much later for males. But like you talk about
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  Speaker 2: the social part, what about like emotionally mentally, Like what
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  Speaker 2: was that like for you? Like that realization that like,
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  Speaker 2: oh there's like, okay, there's some differences here. I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to navigate all this while still like yeah, also trying
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  Speaker 2: to piece your young adulthood life together.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, to be fully transparent, that was like
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  Speaker 4: the hardest time I've ever had in life. I really
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  Speaker 4: think college was my deepest depression time that I felt
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  Speaker 4: so isolated and lonely and didn't feel like I fit
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  Speaker 4: in in any group. And so that's actually what caused
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  Speaker 4: me to be like, well, let's screw this and I
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna stay on campus, let me go travel, Like,
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  Speaker 4: let me just go and so that's when I actually
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  Speaker 4: found my belonging. Was studying abroad in Egypt my entire
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  Speaker 4: junior year, and I felt like there was an awakening
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  Speaker 4: for me of like cultural roots while learning Arabic that
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  Speaker 4: was absolutely beautiful and being in this culture that is
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  Speaker 4: so welcoming and just felt very inclusive.
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  Speaker 3: That it was really really special. And so yeah, being
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  Speaker 3: on campus.
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  Speaker 4: Was a very very very very hard time and without
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  Speaker 4: any mental health resources that I started to struggle with
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  Speaker 4: like binge eating disorder and just like, yeah, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of low self esteem and low self worth, very hard time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that. It's hard. Yeah, at the
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  Speaker 2: times we were like, man, that was fucking hard. So
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  Speaker 2: we appreciate you sharing it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had mentioned the binge eating disorder in the movie,
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  Speaker 1: but there wasn't much like resolution. You said that you
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  Speaker 1: struggled with it in college, and your mom also had
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that she had done the same thing. Trying not
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  Speaker 1: to give too many spoilers, but yes, did you know
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  Speaker 1: that she also struggled with that or was that in
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  Speaker 1: the moment a big revelation?
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, my mom.
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  Speaker 4: Has always also struggled with like emotional eating and like
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  Speaker 4: food things. So I knew it was I could see
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  Speaker 4: the patterns in the family, but we never actually like
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  Speaker 4: really fully talked about it until the conversation where it
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  Speaker 4: was like, oh wow, yeah, of course. It's like this
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  Speaker 4: pattern of learning how to cope through unhealthy mechanisms that
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  Speaker 4: are not serving either of us has been like passed
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  Speaker 4: down in generation.
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  Speaker 3: It's really really something.
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  Speaker 2: Also before we continue, I mean shout out to your
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  Speaker 2: parents for like jumping into it and like I can like,
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  Speaker 2: I can only imagine how how difficult that was, and
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  Speaker 2: just for both of them to push themselves and be
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  Speaker 2: trying to open and honest and transparent with you. There's
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  Speaker 2: a number of times your dad was emotional and I
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  Speaker 2: can only imagine that you I might just be assuming
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  Speaker 2: because I know for me growing up, I didn't see
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  Speaker 2: my dad be super emotional very much, right, I can
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  Speaker 2: imagine that for you it was like, oh, man, like
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  Speaker 2: I'm not used to this, this is this is different.
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  Speaker 2: So I can shout out to them because they really
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  Speaker 2: they shined in it, just their their vulnerability and their
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  Speaker 2: openness and their honesty.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, It's like it was so clear that
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  Speaker 4: it was like an act of love for me as
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  Speaker 4: their daughter.
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  Speaker 3: That they were both like, we wouldn't have never done this.
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  Speaker 4: We wouldn't have never put ourselves. There's no way we
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  Speaker 4: would do this to ourselves. They were literally going on
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  Speaker 4: these trips for you. And then but of course that
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  Speaker 4: first it was just about the trips and going back
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  Speaker 4: to Mexico and Palistine But then we start talking about
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  Speaker 4: like family dysfunction and the disconnected all of it. That
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  Speaker 4: it's like we're putting everything out there that I'm so
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  Speaker 4: grateful that.
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  Speaker 3: They were like seeing my mom.
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  Speaker 4: My mom was actually very very nervous that she's like,
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  Speaker 4: what are you doing, Like are you just trying to
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  Speaker 4: like just put out our baggage out.
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  Speaker 3: Into the open? And I was.
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  Speaker 4: I thankfully was able to have a lot of conversations
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  Speaker 4: with her to talk about the deeper why of that
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  Speaker 4: many families have a lot of healing that is needed,
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of families have a lot of issues,
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  Speaker 4: and that this is hopefully going to be a way
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  Speaker 4: for other people to see how that they can start
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  Speaker 4: to unpack their own family stories and patterns of whatever trauma, abuse,
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  Speaker 4: trauma effects that are important.
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  Speaker 3: It's one pack.
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  Speaker 1: And that's one of the themes throughout the whole. The
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  Speaker 1: whole documentary is that these generational traumas impacted your relationship
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: with your parents, and you had the bravery to step
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: out and do something about it. And on the show,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: we've done episodes on generational trauma, how to heal and
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: how to recover from it. And you did it in
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: your own way by making an entire documentary about your dysfunction,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and that that just was so brave you put it
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: all out there, and especially because your mom had mentioned
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that growing up, she wanted to be perceived as the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: perfect family, like no one could be out of the ordinary,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: no one could be seen as stepping out. So that
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: was double hard for you, I'm sure so as an
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: adult now, the whole message with your parents was they
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: were trying to find your home. You were trying to
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: find your place in your home. Do you have it now?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Do you still feel like you're not home when you're
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: home or do you feel home now?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Hmmm, Okay, that's a beautiful question, Thank you so much.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: So if it's okay, I'm going to zoom out even
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: more about like my journey of like the arc of
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: my learning in this process of home, which leads to
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: the Mary's Home at the end of the day. So so
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: as I mentioned in the beginning that the film was
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: very much focused in the beginning around the political and
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: the cultural disconnect of where is home as a child
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: of immigrants, refugees trying to find home in Mexico and Palestine,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: and in the process of going into these places, I
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: also started going to therapy for the first time.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: As we know, therapy.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Will for all everything else too, And so in therapy,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: the relationship with my mom and how much anger I
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: had towards her, and with her strictness and her controlling
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: and her criticisms, it just kept coming up over and
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: over again, and so I began to realize that I
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: was like, okay, wait, there's something else that's here that's
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: not just about the cultural disconnect, but it's the disconnect
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: to my parents themselves. And what is this anger that
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I have inside of me? Where is it coming from?
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Why is she the way she is? Why am I
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: the way I am? And that's also where I learned
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: about the term of intergenerational trauma for the first time,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: and realizing like, oh wait, there are things that happened
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: to her that made her the way she is.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: And then it passed down on to me as well.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And so what I thought.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: I thought that the film was then going to become
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: this like happy healing journey with me and my family
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: and at the end we would all become my best friends.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Meened, I need you know, you know, you know there
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: is a.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Lot of healing that has been done.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: I will, I will definitely say that, and I cannot
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: change who my parents are, you know, it's.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: And I can't change so quickly who I.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Am too, that it's very hard to change these super
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: ingrained patterns of how we are at home. And so.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I realized that yes, that maybe it wasn't.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Me trying to find home with my parents either, because again,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: like it's not necessary that we have to become best
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: friends with them, but it's like learning how do we
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: set boundaries and that kind of thing. So I went
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: through that Mexico palace and trying to find home with
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: my parents, and then I was like, okay, well, if
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: it's not there either, like where is it?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: And that's when I entered into.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: My own dark knight of the soul, like deep deep deep,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: like dark bottom, where I really just started to question,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: like what am I even doing? Here, like what's the
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: point of anything, Like, you know, my existential crisis of
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: like I really just felt like extreme grief and it
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: was through that that I went through.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: And also in this time, I also went through a divorce,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: which was.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: The catalyst of all of it. So that's a whole
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: other thing. But it just like realized I was like, Okay,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: I keep trying to create home externally and I'm not
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: able to find it. And I had to go in
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: this big circle journey to reach rog bottom to realize
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: that home was never something external, that I had to
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: find it by being by myself, in my solitude and
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: like find home within myself. And so traces of Home
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: is that full circle journey of me coming back home
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: to self.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: And then truly it was my own spiritual awakening.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: So now I'm like also believing that there is something
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: much greater than here too outside of the material world,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: which spirituality is a whole other component that I think
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: is very important to talk about.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: But yes, home being here within myself and then with.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: The Creator if we believe in a creator divine as well,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: So yes, is a full circle journey.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I Okay, this might this might like trivialize it way
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: too much or make it too general, But I don't know.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I think of like so so justin I both specialize
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: in working with like children and adolescents, and for me,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I'm mainly with adolescents, like just high school age, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: we talk a lot about, like you know, our our
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: support people. Sometimes they're not support but sometimes only in
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the in the way that they know how they don't
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: necessarily it works for us individually, and I talk with
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of our my my students and my clients
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: that like, sometimes we have to be the one to
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: like we have to be selfish, sometimes we have to
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: help ourselves, and we have to like put our needs
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: first before we can really support the needs of others.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: So it just really makes me think of that of
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: like you, your whole journey was I'm trying to find
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: these external things, but there really wasn't. In the end,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: it ultimately came down to you, which also is a
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: lot of pressure to put on yourself of like I
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: need to be the one to make myself okay. But
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, like part
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: of that is true, like we can we can rely
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: on or support people, but no matter how much they try,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: they can never always be there for us. They'll be one, two, three,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: few times that they may not be even the best
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: of partner family supports. We're the only one that's really
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: there for us in every single step of the way,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: in every turn that we take. So I don't know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: it makes me think of that of like you were
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: able to ultimately find that you are the one that
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: helps you feel home and feel whole and to be
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: able to kind of keep on moving forward with life.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: So yeah, there's something I can add to that too,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: is that, Like I think what is also something that
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I really realized is that I was trying to run
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: away from difficult emotions for so long of that feeling
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: of loneliness isolation, trying to use external coping mechanisms or external.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Sources for that.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: And once I was able to to feel my own
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: feelings and actually face my own difficult emotions, now I
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: can actually have even more vulnerability and intimate relationships with
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: others who are also dealing with whatever grief or issues
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: that they're having that I couldn't before because I couldn't
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: deal it with it within myself. So it's actually like
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: the more that I was able to go within myself
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: to feel comfortable being by myself is the more I
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: can actually show up and see people more fully, which
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: is so profound and beautiful in this like journey back home.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: This might be tough to answer, and I hope it's
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: okay that we talk about the film a little bit
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: or like some specifics without spoiling it. But you mentioned
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: you guys went to Palestine and you traveled there. This
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: might be really tough to answer. I'm just really curious,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: like what can you walk us through any thoughts, feelings, emotions,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Like as you're waiting to go into Palaesine across into Palestine,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: there's a moment where you guys are being like interrogated,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: like what what what? What can you what do you
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable share in that moment because it was tense?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it so, my gosh, the pressure.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, So I spent like six months before we even
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: traveled just talking to researchers, talking to people on the ground,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: like trying to figure out the best approaches to make
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: sure that we would be able to get in the
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: best possible chance to be able to be allowed in.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: And of course that I had been doing so much
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: work for so long that I was like, oh my gosh,
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: if it doesn't work like the film, what will I do?
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: What am I gonna do?
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Yes, it was very, very hard, and I was definitely
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: feeling very nervous, a lot of anxiety and tension.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: And at the same time, once we got to.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: The interrogation room, it was like a wave of peace
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: just came over me of just like, well here, I
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: am like if whatever happens happen, it's like being in.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: It was something something shifted that I was like, Okay,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I have no control over this situation right now.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Once they took me by myself to go get interrogated.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: The good thing also that was that it wasn't just
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: me and my dad, which I think would have been
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: harder as Palestinians that I'm not sure if I would
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: have gotten in if it was just me or just
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: me and my father, But because we had such a
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: mixed family and also my Filipino sister in law was
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: with us, that I think it threw them up. So
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: they're like, okay, yes, like I don't know, they're American tourists. Yes,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: So it worked, yeah, thank god, But it was, uh,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: it's a trip.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: It's trip, very hard and what.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: About when they finally like you guys were done and
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you guys were allowed in, Like what what went through
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: your mind? When were the feelings with that?
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my gosh, just like huge relief, just like
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: huge weight off. My parents were waiting outside, so they
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: also had no idea when I would come out, like
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: how long it was going to take. Of course, we
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: you know all the stories of people getting detained for
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: a long time, and so we were all in a
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: lot of like joy relief. To be able to enter
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Palestine was just like wow, really really powerful, powerful moment.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a Catharsis.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: I am sure.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: You mentioned like spirituality and you touched a little bit
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: on this in the movie how religion was your brother's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: avenue of expressing his spirituality, but you didn't go too
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: much into yours other than just the whole feel of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the movie and just the imagery and the art that
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: was projected gave us kind of a sense of who
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you are, what you believe. Lots of themes of birds
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and butterflies and flying if you could, if it's not
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: too personal of a question, what are some of your
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: spiritual beliefs, Like what are some of the conclusions and
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: things that you have come.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: To Yeah, okay, well I can easily say that by
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: the end of making this film, it feels so clear
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: that I was never the one making this film.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: There's no other way I can describe it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: That like the way everything worked out in its perfect
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: timing of like aligned everything who we met on the way,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: how the neighbors came out, that it was like, oh
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: my gosh, this film is like writing itself, like this
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: is absolutely insane. That and it feels like so clear
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: now that like I've just been a vessel for this
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: medicine to come through for both me and my family,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: but now for others too.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Again that I went through my dark knight of the.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Soul, my own spiritual awakening, that I truly felt a
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: divine present presence that has been guiding this whole path,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: and even in while we were in Mexico with like
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: the Butterfly Reserve and that kind of thing, like feeling
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: my ancestors too, Like I don't know what it is,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: like I truly believe that there's some sort of greater
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: power that has we have a calling and that if
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: we follow the calling, that we will be guided on
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: the way to whatever we are meant to be doing it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: It feels very very clear after going through this nine
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: year process. And I didn't grow up with any religion
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: that my father as Muslim, my mom is Christian, but
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: they didn't practice anything really like in the house, and
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: so I was agnostic. Didn't really think about.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Any of it until going through everything and.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Being like oh wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, like I feel
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: a guiding force in my life and that has also
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: been essential to my own healing, like I would be
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: I would be very remiss if I did not say
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: that having faith has changed everything of like finding my
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: own sense of worth and value. Yeah, thank you for asking.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: I also, I just want to say it means a
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: lot for you to ask that, because I think a
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: lot of times in like mental health spaces or psychology
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: that we leave out spirit or you know, the higher power.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: And of course everyone has different beliefs of whatever that
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: could be nature, community, whatever is that unifying force, and
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: yet it's so important for us to have that ability
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: to surrender and trust for us to be able to
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: heal and be in that mental health space.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: So thank you for bringing that up.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: You're right, sometimes our colleagues suck like they don't ask
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: about the things that are important Like I.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Don't know, we don't but the colleagues.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: We don't suck. But yeah, I mean there's people who
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: like they claim to like have a holistic approach or
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: they try to like viewers, but yeah, I think I
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: think religion and spirituality gets left out like as kind
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: of like I don't know why, but it just it
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: just feels like it gets left out. And I think
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: back my time training and like, yeah, I was like
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in there, but like people, it wasn't like a huge
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: thing I got emphasized for like intakes for example.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: But yeah, and is a component to a person like
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: if you're not even talking about just like what is
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: the soul?
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: What is the eternal self?
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Like wow, it's a missing a huge component like if
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: we're only staying up in the brain all the time,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: like where is the heart? That?
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so thank you, yes essential justin.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I saw your reaction when Colleae said it was like
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: a nine year process. There was there was a time
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: in the film where like you'd mentioned some dates and
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I had to like rewind back of like did you
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: really say that year? Wait, that's a long ass time ago?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Like it really was like a nine year line process
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: for you, Like what how do you keep that stamina?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Like what was that like for you? Like just continuing
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: to because people people see the end result, but they
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: don't see everything that went into it. A lot of
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the time. We we got glimpses here and there because
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: there were so many things that were filmed along the
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: way that you put into it. But like, how do
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: you how do you carry that momentum for that long?
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: For this Yeah, So this is where teams, teams and
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: mentorship and fellowships, like all the things that being in
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: community is so.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Essential to be able to get the baby to be birthed.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: That it was a village that made this go through
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: that I was part of a fellowship to start off with,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: to like learn how to write grants, how to make
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: the trailer, how to get funding in then doing a
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: fundrain to go to Palestine, having all the community funds
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: that trip to go to Palaes, sign doing a kickstarter
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: to go to Mexico.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Like at each step of the way, it.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Was a again, it was like I was being pushed
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: along by community that was so so I'm so it
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: was such a blessing that I'm so grateful for that
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: it wasn't just me doing this, So I felt like
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: there was an accountability that I really needed as an
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: artist and as a storyteller to be able to do
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: the work. And then once I got into post production
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: being with my editor for three years day and day
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: out in San Francisco, like.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: There was no way I was going to be able
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: to do that without having her support. She became a therapist.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Throughout the process.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Cool to hear that it was community funded and it's
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Kickstarter funded. Have you shown this? I'm sure you have
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to a lot of people in those communities that were
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: a part of this, and what has their response been
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: to this.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: So we just had our world premiere in New York
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: last year in No Member, which was so beautiful and
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: like my parents came, my whole family came, the whole
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: team came. So it was like the most beautiful celebration.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: And then we also got We Want Best Documentary. That
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: was really amazing to get to be there. And then
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: on Saturday is our hometown Chicago premiere, which I am
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: so excited for Saturday this Saturday. So if anyone is
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: in Chicago that wants to come, yes, that's going to
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: be the one where I don't even know.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna page you know what I'm gonna do.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be all the people who have supported
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: from the literally the day one beginning, so very special. Yeah,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: and then we've had five other film festivals. I'm leaving
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: to Maryland tomorrow. We're on the festival.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Circuit fully right now. So it's been really beautiful to
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: have audiences now seeing it out in the world too. Yeah,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: getting the reaction, so.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: All your Instagram stories, like all the different places you're
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: gonna go, Thank you for for having time for us.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you very grateful.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Is there a way for people to see it if
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: they're not going to any major film festivals.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, So we are going to have our theatrical
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: release in the summer into the fall, so that's also
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: going to be in major cities across the US. And
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: then we are streaming with Watermelon Pictures, which is like
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: an incredible distributor of Palestinian films and has been doing
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of amazing work, and so we'll be on
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: their platform probably by the end of this year, so
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: that's when it'll be online, and then on all of
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: the streamer viewing channels.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we'll.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Have to share everything once it's available.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Great.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: There's I have a couple of statements that I wrote
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: like back to back in our notes. But there was
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: that one kind of moment and again I'm not trying
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: to spoil anything for people who were watching, but that
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: moment where the man kind of welcomed your dad back
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: home and like shared a drink with him, Like what
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: was what was that?
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I mean that's like you said, everything seemed to lie
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: end up so well. I mean over a nine year period.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I know there was ups and downs, but everything lined
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: up so well, and then for that to happen like
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: in front of you while you guys are there, like
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: what is that? Like, like what was that?
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable? So beautiful?
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like all of us were shocked that
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: We're like, wait, who is this Israeli man that's like
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: being so kind and.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Loving and saying, oh, this is your home.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Like it would just throw us off completely because of
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: all the narratives of what we see of like who
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: israelis are, like everyone is just a Zionist and all
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: of this, But that there was just a warm welcome
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: that it like was able to break our own stereotypes
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: and our own narratives in our own head.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: That is very needed sometimes that it's.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Like, oh wait, you know, not everyone is the same,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: or like there's still a lot of compassion and humanity
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: even on what we think is the other side. That
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: that was such a beautiful moment till I see these
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: two elderly men together that like could have been friends
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: in the Jewish quarter, in the Arab quarter if the
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: town was still there as as it was before, which
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: was it did have like the like the Arab quarters
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: and the Jewish quarters, that everyone was together.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, tough.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And this movie is so important because right now,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know this, but there's
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of craziness going on in Palestine,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: right obvious joke, because man, there has been so much
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: going on in Gaza. It has it's been a very
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: horrible time for a lot of people. I saw a
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: survey recently that said, for the first time ever, Americans
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: are more sympathetic towards the Palestinian side than the Israeli side.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: And I think these stories of telling Palestinian stories is
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: one of the big reasons why that shift is happening.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Any insights you don't have to have any insights, but
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: any other things that you're seeing in our society of
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: why that change is happening. Why are mindset starting to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: shift on this conflict that has been going on for lifetime?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Right right?
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it feels very clear that the genocide
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: in Gaza has woken people up to realizing that there
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: was a level of violence and atrocity that we have
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: all never been able to even fathom. Just literally just
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: feels like pure evil of what we've been seeing on
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: our phones and like being able to actually see with
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: our own eyes on Instagram and on social media, like
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Palestinians sharing these absolutely devastating things happening and to their
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: families like children now just extreme extreme that I think
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: many people were like, wait, is what is all of this?
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: And that.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Social media has allowed people to actually get like a
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: full view of the atrocities that have been happening for
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: the past seventy years, but at like an extreme degree
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: like Gaza is yeah, unfathomable the level of violence that
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: we're seeing, and so I am so grateful that people
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: are now awake, like have been awakened to the occupation
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: and like that it isn't apartheid state, and that there's
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: more courage to be able to speak out against the
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: atrocities and the genocide going on. And I truly also
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: believe that the pandemic also did something with that too,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: that like something with George Floyd and like everyone starting
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: to starting to realize like, oh wait, everything that we've
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: been conditioned into of what we thought American society is
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: and what we thought our government.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Was is no longer.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: In the under the veil as it was before that
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: now people are seeing that like, wait, we're the ones
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: funding the massacre of children.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Wait, we're the ones that are doing this, this, this that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: It's like it's grief, you know, it's like a betrayal
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: that It's like, wait, a lot of people were proud
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: to be American and now it's.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Like, woh, this has been going on for a long time.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: So I think, yes, there's a narrative change that's happening
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: through the power of film and people's storytelling and then
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: Palestinians telling their own stories. Having that access to be
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: able to film things on the ground is yeah, very
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: very powerful for that change work to happen.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: It's hard because I feel like you bring up the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: pandemic and I feel like the other side of it
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: that I see is like people have like lost compassion
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: for each other. It feels like like it's so hard
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: because it feels like there's there's both sides of like
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I think part of the reason why the pandemic went
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: in the direction that it did was because there was
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of like, well, I don't care about other
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: people type of like attitude with you know, needing to
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: stay home and wear masks and just simple things like that,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: and so it is. I think I think you are right.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I think there is more compassion. I think I don't know.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I have such a hard time with our country just
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: to knowse this, Like I there's some days where I'm
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: just like I fucking hate it here, like this really sucks.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And then there's people like, well, just go somewhere else.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, no, fuck you. I'm still gonna do
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: what I want here because I've I've earned that and
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I deserve that. But yeah, it feels like things suck here.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know. I guess I don't know how
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: much of a point I was trying to make other
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: than like it feels like both, there is more compassion,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: people are understanding things more now. I think you're right
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: to your point, like people seeing what's happened over the
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: last small chunk of time, but aren't fully understanding what's
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: gone on for decades. They're starting to now understand. And
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I also struggle with like people's compassion towards others. Yeah,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: on a more service level here in our country is
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: also kind of doing I don't know, it's I.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Don't know, Yeah, yes, maybe it is. It's like a both,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: and but I do just want to challenge one thing
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: that I feel like, if.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: We look at social media only, then it looks like
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: everything is just like crumbling, nobody cares about anyone, Like
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: it is terrible. Everything, it'subling, it's the end of the
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: world totally. Everything is burning one thousand percent. And when
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: I go to the grocery store and I see some
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: person helping somebody with their you know, groceries, or I
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: see somebody walking and somebody comes and grabs your hand,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: I'm like, wait, oh wait, there is still people out
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: there that still have theirity humanity intact. Yeah, that I
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: think a lot of times it's very easy for us
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: to go straight into the fear brain that everything is
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: doomed and that's what they want us to become, so
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: that we don't feel like we have the power to
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: be in our full humanity together.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I can feel very dire. For sure. It
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: is dire. It is. It's true.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the duality of the social media, Like
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: it gives people a voice, it helps the every person
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: be able to share what is going on in their lives,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: share these atrocities, But at the same time, social media
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: is probably driving us farther apart than any other social
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: construct in wo.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I think I've quoted them on the show in the past,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: but the Burrows, which is one of my favorite bands
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: out of Greeley, Colorado, they have a really good line
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: where they say, I don't believe in the system, but
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I believe in the people. Well, I think that that
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: is true. Everywhere you look. There are good people in
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: this country still, maybe not the ones at the top,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: but hey, you know, there are still people.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: And I think the other thing that also this process
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: of making this film has helped me realize is the
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: resilience of our ancestors. That we're like, oh my gosh,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: the world is doing but there are some extreme things
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: that have happened to our ancestors that like, you know,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: they got through it and say okay, okay, if we
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: can feel that backbone behind us of like, yes, we
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: are here, we have been put for a reason at
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: this time. This is our generation's calling of whatever we
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: can do to do the change work of like having
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: people remember why we're here to be loving, to give
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: and receive love that uh, we can do it, we
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: can do it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: No, you're I think Justin and I have talked about
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: it again. Getting to work with kids and teens primarily
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: or only there is a good reminder like a lot
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: of the times with like sometimes the kids will do
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: something I'm just like okay, well fine, Like these kids
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: will you know they they come from certain households that
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: believe and say certain things, and then they tell me like, yeah,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't fuck with that at all, Like
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I don't believe any of that. In the second or
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: they grow up, you know, experiencing one thing and then
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: they have a moment or an event that happens and
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: they're like wow, like I had never considered this. This
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: other point of view of the perspective like this is
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: actually really changing for me, like this is this is different,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: and so, yeah, you're right. I think I do have
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to remember our kids are Our kids do make us
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: feel like we're gonna be okay. And I feel like
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: in those moments Justin where like we do get to
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: experience that.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Kids make us feel like we're gonna be okay until
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: they're up all night screaming and crying, and then we're like,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: this is not okay, that's just my kid.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Right now, we're back Justin and his amazing wife had
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: a second baby recently, So welcome back Justine that earlier.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: We're gonna do a whole episode on it, this one
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: for Colette. You know, I know we've been talking about
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: some serious stuff, and I want to ask you perhaps
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the most serious question that we have is who's got
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the better food, Palestinians or Mexicans.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Very hard, Can I just can I just say opt On?
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Can I say Indian is my favorite?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: That's reasonable?
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, if I have to say that Palestinian
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: food is out of this world. The home cooked dishes
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: that are like the five hours in the making kind
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: of things, like they are phenomenal yeah, I love it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: The Mexican is like.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Right there, that was the hardest hitting question justin damn okay,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: that was tough.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Tough.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I set you up too, And I made a little
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: misdirection there, what is.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: The meaning of Like.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe a little more on the serious end, but
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I know we highlighted this one, and I want to ask.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I think it maybe fits a little bit like as
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: you've gotten older, you've talked about all the things that
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: you've you've been through and try to work through, like
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: how are you taking care of yourself now? Like how
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: are you prioritizing your other than Indian, Pastilian, Pestine in
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Mexicans here and there? Like how are you prioritizing yourself?
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: How do you take care of you?
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Yes, I think I have to bring it back to
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: what I said in the In this process of learning
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: how to be home within myself is learning how to
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: feel my feelings has been the first number one thing
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: that learning how to cope with difficult emotions and to
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: be able to stop self sabotage, to be able to
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: learn how to be in my own full dignity, how
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: to feel belonging within myself, how to create safety within
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: myself and my own nervous system that these things have
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: like really been essential and to do that, I actually
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: had a somatic coach during my edit process, and learning
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: about the power of somatics and like how a lot
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: of trauma is stored in the body and processing through.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: The body has been essential.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: And I'm actually getting my Somitic Coaching certificate right now
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: because it was so transformational to like pass it on
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: to others too, So that's been really essential. I also
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: got my Yoga Instructor certificate, so also, like yoga has
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: been really a beautiful practice. Prayer meditation are essential in
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: my daily routines. And I also recently got my zoom
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: but I just went like I had my quarter, Like.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Soone wants to dance.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: There's also enjoy practices dance in zoomba also, so yes,
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: I think those are everything.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: And my dog that's great. Yes, let's talk. That's it.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: That's how I'm taking care of myself.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Those are all super healthy things and I love they
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: want to give back and you got your certificates to
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: be able to instruct those things too.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. I mean it's not it's the it's
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: the hardest path.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: I truly believe it's the hardest path to take to
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: be like, wait, I just have to sit and cry
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: and like feel my sadness.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Like, whoa, it's not easy that. No, this is why
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: we avoid it. It makes so much sense. And yet
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: once you are able to do.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: That, and like, whoa, I survived that, Oh my gosh,
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: the resilience comes deeper and deeper.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: So yeah, taking.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Care is like not necessarily having everything to be ables
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: and butterflies all the time, and that's okay, being okay
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: with being human.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I have got I think one more question
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: for you. If someone out there is struggling with intergenerational
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: trauma and they don't know where to start, they don't
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: know what to do, maybe they need some advice, what
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: would you tell them?
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Hm?
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, Well, I think for me the biggest thing was
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: journal and learning how to self reflect. That a lot
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: of before we even touched the edit software, a lot
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: of writing happened where I had to answer a lot
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: of prompts of like what is my family like?
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: What am I like? Like?
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Just starting to really do that level of inner self
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: reflection and gaining more self awareness. I think it's like
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: the first major major part, and then also getting outside support.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: I really do.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: I believe in therapy. I believe in coaching. I believe
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: in being able to get an outsider's perspective to support
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: that process too. So if they're able to have like
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: even if the I know some people are not able
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: to afford it. But there's also an amazing like twelve
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: step group that's called Adult Children of Alcoholics and Dysfunctional
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Families AYCA that is amazing and it's free and that
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: you can like really start to dive into the inner
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: child work and the shadow work that is so needed.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to heal from the trauma.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Good advice.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, because I think again, at one point,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: a couple of points, I'm sitting on the corner of
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: the couch by myself watching it. My girlfriend's watching TV
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: slowly quietly crying to myself because it was there was
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: just so impactful and beautiful, and there's so many This
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: was an ode to you and to your family this film,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: in this documentary and the trials and everything that've been
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: they've been through and the healing that you guys are
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: trying to do. But I also felt like there was
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of it that was really relatable to me
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: and just seeing like my own my parents and my
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: sister and just there's a lot of crossover and a
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: lot of it felt the same. So thank you for
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: sharing this, thank you for your years of work on this.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: We think it's beautiful. We're excited for it to continue
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: to go out to the masses. So before my last question,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to say thank you because it really
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: was a lot where half of us, you and I
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: are the same being Mexican. The other half is different
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: since your Palestinian and not not. But there was so
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: much where I was like, this is there's a lot
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: of the same.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a childhoo, imigrant story. I feel like it's
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: all the same.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: It really is, it really is. It is like it's
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: it's like a if you know, you know kind of
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: thing because there's there's so much crossover. And yeah, so
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: thank you for that. As we wrap up, like where
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: can our followers find you your work? Anything else? They
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: should know we're gonna get your your your bio was
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: already at the at the beginning, but like tell us
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: everything so they can find you and they can continue
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: to follow you in your work.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: For sure, Before that, I just want to see, thank
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: you any for that really warm, warm message that it
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: means so much, and you know, I am really inspired
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: by mental health workers and those who are in this
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: space that are really supporting, especially that you're all working
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: with adolescents and teams like that is where I wish
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: I was able to have started this at whatever, like
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: age twelve, thirteen, fourteen, Like what a difference that would
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: have make, and that you are all like really being
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: able to heal the next generation is is really so inspiring.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: So thank you all for the work that you're doing too.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I will trend this.
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  Speaker 2: I think Justin and I are the same way that
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  Speaker 2: we wish we would have had that.
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  Speaker 4: Totally yes, yes, yes, it is essential way and that
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  Speaker 4: like the last thing I just want to say too
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  Speaker 4: is that but this film that it's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: it is about walls, and that there are walls both
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  Speaker 4: like of course these physical walls in Mexico and Palestine,
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  Speaker 4: but there's also the walls in us that we need
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  Speaker 4: to be able to shed and let go of, and
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  Speaker 4: that and that you know, the work that you are
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  Speaker 4: all doing and that when I'm trying to do with
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  Speaker 4: the film is like being able to let go of
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  Speaker 4: those walls so that we can all see each other
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  Speaker 4: for just being human beings all together, and like, how
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  Speaker 4: can we create that that loving connection with one another?
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  Speaker 4: And so yes, I just it's so amazed and inspired
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  Speaker 4: that you all are doing that work to let the
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  Speaker 4: kids not have to have their walls up anymore, you know, like,
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  Speaker 4: how do we create that level of community?
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  Speaker 3: So beautiful? Beautiful?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So yes in terms of yes, very important, very grateful.
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  Speaker 4: And so for Traces of Home, we have all of
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  Speaker 4: our screening information on traces of Home dot com and
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  Speaker 4: they can also follow us on Instagram, and we also
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  Speaker 4: have a newsletter that they can follow. And the other
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  Speaker 4: really exciting component is that we actually have an impact
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  Speaker 4: campaign alongside the film, which is doing trauma healing workshops
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  Speaker 4: with children of immigrants and refugees across the US. So
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  Speaker 4: we had our first one in New York and we're
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  Speaker 4: doing the next one on Monday. And it has been
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  Speaker 4: transformational to do the healing work in community, to be
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  Speaker 4: able to see what are the things that are preventing
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  Speaker 4: us from being our most authentic selves and keeping us
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  Speaker 4: from being in our full power and light as humans,
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  Speaker 4: and so that's a really important component that if people
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  Speaker 4: are interested in doing more work like to see if
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  Speaker 4: they want to bring a.
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  Speaker 3: Workshop to their community, would be phenomenal too.
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  Speaker 4: And yes, I think that's Oh and also that we
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  Speaker 4: also have our educational screening campaign too, so if any
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  Speaker 4: universities or high schools are wanting to screen too, we
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  Speaker 4: would love to partner with community orgs, universities and high
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  Speaker 4: schools as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, love, get.
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  Speaker 2: That word out. Yeah, anything you want included in the
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  Speaker 2: show notes, just get to us and we'll put them
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  Speaker 2: in the Okay, well call it. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 2: for being here justin It was good to see you again,
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  Speaker 2: my friend. What an episode back? I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome. Fan girling a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: We've been texting a little bit about it, so we've
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  Speaker 2: been we've been looking forward to it, and seriously we
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  Speaker 2: were stoked when we got the email.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, deeply, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah man, Okay, if you've been here long enough, listeners,
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  Speaker 2: We're excited for this one to come out, and remember everyone,
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