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Are You Hauling Rocks or Building a Cathedral? · Shawna and LaLa: Life Beyond The Mic

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  Speaker 1: From the heart of the city, where the beat meets
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  Speaker 1: the rhythm of your day. It's Shauna and.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to Shauna and Lalla. Check us out at
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  Speaker 2: Shaunaanlala dot com on all social media platforms at Shauna
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  Speaker 2: and La La. You could follow me on Instagram at
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  Speaker 2: the Real Shawna May.
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  Speaker 3: And check me out at Bella Underscore La La one
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  Speaker 3: two five.
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  Speaker 2: We finally got some nice weather. Uh Saturday, I believe
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  Speaker 2: it down. No, Saturday was nice right.
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  Speaker 3: Or Sunday it was a nice weekend. It was a
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  Speaker 3: beautiful weekend. Sunday we had the thunderstorm for a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: but then it was beautiful again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this weather has been insane. It finally feels like
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  Speaker 2: summer for once.
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  Speaker 3: And it went from one extreme to the next. It
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  Speaker 3: was like chilly and rainy to boom one hundred degrees
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  Speaker 3: undred degrees.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no in between, No, there was nothing in between,
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  Speaker 2: no rain for like two days. So I'm like thanking
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  Speaker 2: God over here.
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  Speaker 3: I know, and the temperatures are gonna cool down now,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm good as long as we don't get rain
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  Speaker 3: every day or on the weekend, at least, I'm happy.
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  Speaker 3: I'll take the heat so many people are complaining right now,
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  Speaker 3: Oh I know, Oh I want winter back. Oh this heat.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, shut your mouth, shut up, shut up. No,
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  Speaker 3: I would take one hundred degree whether any day over
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  Speaker 3: negative or icy or cold and dark and gloomy.
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  Speaker 2: Me too, right, yeah, Like what is wrong with these people?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's hot. Is it uncomfortable sometimes? Yeah, but I'd
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  Speaker 3: rather this than be freezing and shivering and bundling up
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  Speaker 3: and slipping and being depressed without the sun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that my mental health has
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  Speaker 2: been so much better with it being sunny out and
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  Speaker 2: being outside, and I'm sleeping better. Well not really, but
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  Speaker 2: you never sleep.
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  Speaker 3: Better, so no, but yeah, the fresh air. You can
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  Speaker 3: open your window. I mean now you can't because it's hot,
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  Speaker 3: but I was able to open my windows all this
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  Speaker 3: time and just be outside. That can heal you in itself,
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  Speaker 3: That makes you, you know, the sun gives you endorphins
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  Speaker 3: and booster vitamin D, which is energy and makes you
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  Speaker 3: feel good and it's just an amazing thing. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't know why anyone would want winter back when this
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  Speaker 3: is just it's no, no winter, please.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to move, I know, I say, this
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  Speaker 2: like every week on the show. I seriously cannot wait
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  Speaker 2: to move. I will come back here for summers, but
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  Speaker 2: I will be spending my winters in someplace.
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  Speaker 3: Warm, like somewhere down south.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yes, Florida, South Carolina I'm okay with, preferably Florida.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if South Carolina really gets as.
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  Speaker 3: Hot as Florida, but yeah, I and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people complain that when I tell them I want to
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  Speaker 3: move to Florida, Like, but the heat, I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: but the beach. But the pool, Yeah, the beautiful folly,
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  Speaker 3: like the flowers and the green all year long, and
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  Speaker 3: the sun all year long, and the people are so
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  Speaker 3: nice down there. I love it. I love going down south.
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  Speaker 3: I mean South Carolina does get hot too, and that's
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  Speaker 3: on the table for me. Also because I will miss
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  Speaker 3: my woods, you know me, I'm a big I like
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  Speaker 3: to go hiking. I love my woods. I love I
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  Speaker 3: spend every morning I go for a walk in the
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  Speaker 3: woods with my dog. And I'm gonna miss that. So
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  Speaker 3: South Carolina does offer that too, while giving me the
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  Speaker 3: heat and giving me the beach.
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  Speaker 2: So it's but the beach isn't as nice.
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  Speaker 3: No, South Carolina beaches aren't as pretty or nice or
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  Speaker 3: clean clear as a lot of the Florida beaches. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we have to wait it out. It's it's hard, but hey,
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  Speaker 3: either one I'll be happy, and I think either state.
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  Speaker 2: Just as long as we get away from this winter coldness.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and New.
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  Speaker 3: York, New York. I'm done with New York and I'm
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  Speaker 3: done with the winters. I just can't we have My
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  Speaker 3: husband has two and a half more years ago on
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  Speaker 3: the job and then he can retire. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: crazy when I say I can't believe that he's going
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  Speaker 3: to be forty five when he retires. That's young, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But he's he wants out, and he wants an easier,
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  Speaker 3: more a relaxing and warm lifestyle. You know, I can't
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  Speaker 3: wait for it. Part of me is gonna miss. I
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  Speaker 3: do love the area that we live in. The Hudson
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  Speaker 3: Valley is gorgeous, it really is, you know, but it's
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  Speaker 3: I'd rather be down south.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: I wish I was able to have enough money to
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  Speaker 3: have a summer home up here. And then the rest
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  Speaker 3: of it, well, I do like fall. We love fall,
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  Speaker 3: spring and summer, so I wish I could do those
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  Speaker 3: seasons here and then go to Florida for the winter.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that would be great, That would be like perfect,
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, not happening yet. My bank count's not building
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  Speaker 3: on that much.
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  Speaker 2: And that's something that I wish I knew when I
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  Speaker 2: was younger, was how much things cost. You know, when
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  Speaker 2: you're young and you're a kid, you're like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: want this Barbie doll or I want this you know,
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  Speaker 2: toy or whatever. Now as an adult, I'm like, Man,
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  Speaker 2: if I saved all my money that I had for
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  Speaker 2: like birthdays and Christmas and graduations, you know, I would
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  Speaker 2: be like a millionaire if.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't buy all the silly crap that you buy
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  Speaker 3: as a teenager. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. I know.
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  Speaker 3: I had like a nice little account that my parents
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  Speaker 3: built up for me, and then you know, I spent it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: not on bad things, but still I'm like, oh, that
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  Speaker 3: could have just kept building some interest there and money.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, we don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know, but that's part of growing up. I guess. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you learn the hard way. You enjoy life without that.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the only time period in your life
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  Speaker 3: when you're a kid to a teen where you're not stressing,
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  Speaker 3: like about money or the future. You're just like, oh
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  Speaker 3: I want this, I'm getting it right now, and it's
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  Speaker 3: so care free. I think that it's a good thing
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  Speaker 3: that we go through that, because the rest of our life,
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  Speaker 3: you're never doing that again. You're never feeling that care
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  Speaker 3: freness unless you're a billionaire wife that doesn't have to work,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and you're just sitting there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like the people on TikTok, those rich wives
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  Speaker 2: that oh, go shopping with me? Yeah, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: in Dubai there's just one that I follow.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, I think I follow her. Her husband just
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  Speaker 3: like gives her.
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  Speaker 2: An allowance, like a daily allowancesands.
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  Speaker 3: Of dollars a day, and she's yeah, so they probably
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  Speaker 3: are care free.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we need to meet someone like that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I do you do? And then you can give
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  Speaker 3: me the extra money that you don't spend, you know, like,
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  Speaker 3: how much can you spend a day? Seana? Not that much?
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  Speaker 2: Mike Michae will be like, where'd you get this from?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? What, I gonna call you my mistress Shauna, my
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  Speaker 3: sugar mama Shauna. Yeah, I mean yeah, but again, I
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  Speaker 3: think that we all have to go through that to
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  Speaker 3: learn that, just to experience that carefuls of spending money,
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  Speaker 3: enjoying it and then before the real world hits us.
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  Speaker 3: And for me, there was like two things that if
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  Speaker 3: I can go back into my twenties and like smack myself,
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  Speaker 3: it would be boys and your goal, like a goal,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as for boys, Like I wish I didn't
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  Speaker 3: think that my first boyfriend or even my second boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: was like gonna be my husband. You know, you kind
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  Speaker 3: of get trapped in that, like this is the one
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  Speaker 3: I'm in love even though you don't even know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like you miss you miss out on so much.
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  Speaker 3: I wish I didn't focus that time on on the
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  Speaker 3: you know, a relationship you're I should have been having fun.
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  Speaker 3: I should have been having some girls trips or just
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  Speaker 3: enjoying my youth without worrying about being in a relationship,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and then knowing when they're when they're jerks
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  Speaker 3: to just don't cry over it. Yeah it's upsetting, but
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  Speaker 3: like bye bye. You know, life is life is short,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna meet a lot of people in my
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  Speaker 3: life and you're not the one. So I wish I
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  Speaker 3: could go back and like get those years back that
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  Speaker 3: I wasted on stupid men, you know, when you're in
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  Speaker 3: your twenties.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are good.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good time period in your life. And a
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  Speaker 3: lot of us wasted on men.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I wasted mine. Yeah, by not doing anything, not going anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I worked all the time. Well, I went to college,
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  Speaker 2: I went to you know, I graduated high school, and
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  Speaker 2: I worked and that is what I did. Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: But were you happy though? Did you you enjoyed.
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  Speaker 2: It or I enjoyed it? Yeah, so then it's.
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  Speaker 3: Not I mean, I get what you're saying, but you
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  Speaker 3: did enjoy it, and that and the field that you
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  Speaker 3: worked in was what you're doing now, right, podcast radio.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was also a admin assistant for many
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  Speaker 2: years for a not for profit company, and that corporate
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  Speaker 2: world was horrible, absolutely horrible. I couldn't wait to leave.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, if you want to look at the positive
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  Speaker 3: in that situation, as you knew, like, I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to get into that world. It's not going to stay
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  Speaker 3: in the radio world, you know. So it was a
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  Speaker 3: little beneficial to you, but you did. Yeah, you probably
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  Speaker 3: wasted a lot of time where you could have been
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  Speaker 3: just carefree, having fun.
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  Speaker 2: You know, could have traveled, could it went out every
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  Speaker 2: night exactly?
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  Speaker 3: And like that's something I also wish I focused on
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  Speaker 3: was in school. Back then, they they preached college, they
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  Speaker 3: preached like you know, a lawyer, doctor. It was never
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  Speaker 3: what what do you enjoy doing? What do you love?
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  Speaker 3: And looking back like I love as you know, I
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  Speaker 3: love film, I love editing, I love acting.
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  Speaker 2: But they didn't have those kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: But I should have realized, like I enjoy this so much,
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  Speaker 3: Like I look back, I have home videos and I
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  Speaker 3: have video after video of me creating movies, directing them,
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  Speaker 3: producing them, like on my VCR with my with my
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  Speaker 3: friends and filming them and telling them what to do.
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  Speaker 3: And then I'd put it all together with a VCR
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  Speaker 3: like he didn't have editing tools back then. I had
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  Speaker 3: to stop record, play stop or wine, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: I would make these these vhss of movies or little skits.
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  Speaker 3: I enjoyed that. Why didn't I follow that dream and
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  Speaker 3: build it? And I could have been what I want
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  Speaker 3: to be an actress or directing and making movies, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's because you know, when you get
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  Speaker 2: into high school, the guidance counselors they pull you in
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  Speaker 2: and they ask you what you want to do. And
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  Speaker 2: I always said I wanted to be a talk show host,
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  Speaker 2: and they would laugh at me and they would be like,
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  Speaker 2: pick a real job, exactly, pick a real job. Do
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  Speaker 2: you want to be a teacher? Do you want to
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  Speaker 2: be a doctor, a nurse? Do you want to do
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  Speaker 2: like accounting? Do you want to like what do you
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  Speaker 2: want to do? And I'm like, I want to be
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  Speaker 2: a talk show host. I said, I want to be
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  Speaker 2: like Oprah. I want to be like Ellen or you
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  Speaker 2: know whoever at that point, and they were like, pick
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  Speaker 2: a real job. So they don't help you in that situation.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't for me. That's what when I told my
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  Speaker 3: guidance counselor, he was like, that's cool. That could be
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  Speaker 3: a hobby. But what about a real job. What do
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  Speaker 3: you want to go to college for? So I picked paralegal.
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  Speaker 3: I went to college and I did a paralegal course
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  Speaker 3: and it was dreadful. I was like this, I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to do this for the rest of my life,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And I didn't finish it.
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  Speaker 2: Did you learn shorthand? No?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we even I got to that point.
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  Speaker 3: I was so miserable. After the first year, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I can't do this, you know, I'm gonna sit here
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  Speaker 3: and do all this work and research and writing like no.
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  Speaker 3: So but yeah, I wish I followed and went to school.
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  Speaker 3: My guidance counselor should have told me, you can go
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  Speaker 3: to school to learn how to film and all that
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  Speaker 3: there is. I know, ach has it, my brother did it.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm kind of I wish that those are the
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  Speaker 3: things that I regret, and I wish I could go
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  Speaker 3: back and put myself on a different course in life,
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  Speaker 3: and I probably would have been happier in my career choice,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you know, they always push this
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  Speaker 2: agenda on you. You know, you need a bachelor's degree.
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  Speaker 2: You need a bachelor's degree. And I've said it from
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  Speaker 2: the beginning. I don't need a piece of paper to
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  Speaker 2: prove that I know something.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When I did work in that corporate feel I knew
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  Speaker 2: more and did a better job than my coworkers that
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  Speaker 2: had the degree. Yeah, so don't tell me I need
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  Speaker 2: a piece of paper and four years of college to
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  Speaker 2: say that I know how to do a job exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And these kids, and now they have debt up the butt,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like because they can't find jobs, find jobs
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  Speaker 3: in the random fields that they picked.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm glad in a way that I did not.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have that student loan hanging over my head.
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  Speaker 3: But I wish I did. I wish I did go
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  Speaker 3: for what sparked my entrance film You shouldn't acting, And
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  Speaker 3: you know, I wish I did something along those lines
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  Speaker 3: instead of going, Eh, I guess I got to pick
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  Speaker 3: a real job.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: My niece went for to be an art teacher, and
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  Speaker 2: I think she has like one year left and she
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  Speaker 2: wants to switch her major because she can't find a job.
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  Speaker 3: No, you can't, you can't.
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  Speaker 2: It's so difficult.
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  Speaker 3: It's well, the jobs want experience, even if you have
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  Speaker 3: a degree, and then you're like, well, how do I
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  Speaker 3: get experience? And so yeah, it's hard out there.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a catch twenty two. You know, to be
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  Speaker 2: a physical therapist, Now you used to have to go
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  Speaker 2: to school for I don't know, four years, maybe six years.
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  Speaker 2: Now you need a doctorate. So at that point, why
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  Speaker 2: not just become a doctor?
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  Speaker 3: Mm hm exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that is also why there's a shortage
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  Speaker 2: of physical therapists, yes, occupational therapists, speech therapists. It is
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  Speaker 2: because of the school and they need now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yep. There's a shortage in a lot of
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  Speaker 3: areas because they change regulations. And sometimes changing regulations is great,
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  Speaker 3: but other times if right now you're hindering those physical therapists.
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  Speaker 3: You've seen physical therapists since you were a baby, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and they didn't have a doctor and they did just that.
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  Speaker 3: They were amazing and they did their job and they
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  Speaker 3: knew what to do. You know, if it was working,
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  Speaker 3: then why change it, you know, why make it harder?
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  Speaker 3: So now people aren't getting help, People aren't getting the
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  Speaker 3: therapy because there's not enough people.
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  Speaker 2: To do it. Yeah, exactly. You know, there's a shortage
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  Speaker 2: of nurses. It's a huge shortage of doctors. There's a
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  Speaker 2: shortage of help in hospitals. And it all comes down
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  Speaker 2: to they don't want to pay and schooling.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yep, it's tough, it really is. And that's my
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  Speaker 3: advice to younger listeners right now is if there's something
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  Speaker 3: that you thoroughly enjoy doing, sometimes you don't need to
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  Speaker 3: go to college for it, other times you do, but
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  Speaker 3: have that in mind and go for it and go
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  Speaker 3: after it, even if it's not a real job, as
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  Speaker 3: they say, if it makes you happy, go for it
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  Speaker 3: and do everything you can to get to that point.
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  Speaker 3: And you don't again, like I tell my nieces and nephews,
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  Speaker 3: you don't need that one hundred k, eighty k student
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  Speaker 3: loan hanging over your head. If you don't know what
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  Speaker 3: you want to do, don't go to college. Don't it's
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's my opinion. Figure it out. There's blue collar,
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  Speaker 3: there's trades like those things are paying a lot of
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  Speaker 3: money right now, oh my god. And there's a shortage
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  Speaker 3: of that too, So you know, it's not always about college.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: You know, electricians they make so much money.
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  Speaker 3: And I told my son, I said, what do you
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  Speaker 3: want to be? You don't know? You know, we're not
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  Speaker 3: sending you to college. If you don't know, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: pick a trade.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, I want to be a football player. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: well listen, what makes you happy? Football? I get it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's tiny, so we're we're hoping he grows.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, me and my husband are short, so
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  Speaker 3: we're not going to crush his dreams. He could be
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  Speaker 3: a football player, but He's like, I'm gonna be in
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  Speaker 3: an NFL, all right, what else besides that would you
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  Speaker 3: want to do?
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  Speaker 2: You know, Hey, you know Nate Robinson who I've met
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  Speaker 2: several times. He's only five something. Yeah, and he was, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he won like NBA Player of the Year or something
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  Speaker 2: many years ago. He won a few like contests and
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: he was, he was an NBA player. He played for
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: the next Well, I guess there's hoping, there is hope.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Let's hope. Let's hope he gets you know. So I'm
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: not crushing his dreams, but I'm like, I don't want
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: you to have a eighty thousand dollars student loan hanging
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: over your head. And you're like, oh, I don't know,
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: I don't I didn't really, I don't know what I
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: want to do. You know, Yeah, just pick something and
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: that you enjoy, not just don't just pick something. Pick
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: something that you thoroughly enjoy. That's gonna make you happy.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: And yeah, that's the advice. What's crazy is that we
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: had the most amazing interview with this jeweler named Elisa Gilbert,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: and it all ties into what we're talking about right now.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: The more I was talking, I'm like This is what
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: we just spoke about with Elisa, you know, following your heart,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: following your dreams, and making yourself happy versus just the
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: same old, same old, the nine to five prison, you
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: know of you're not happy there, but you're doing it. Hey,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: I need to make money.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Because it's a paycheck that you could rely on.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and sometimes that's great, but other times it's like,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: what's worth it? Your your happiness or you know money.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: As long as you can have a roof over your head,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: food in your mouth, you don't always have to put
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: yourself in misery just sticking by that job that you
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: don't want to be in, you know. So we drove
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: to Elisa's gorgeous house and she took us into her studio.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: That was so pretty, right.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: It was gorgeous.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: It overlooked a lake. She built it, She built it,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: and it was beautiful. It had all these windows around
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: it you saw the lake, and then behind it you
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: saw all the rocks that she uses for her jewelry.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: But a little background information on her. So she was
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: a lawyer, right, a litigation lawyer, yes.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: And for many many many years.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Many years successful, thirty years, oh, my god, really yeah,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: super successful, and she just it wasn't just it wasn't right,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: you know, she wasn't totally happy. And her father, her
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: grandfather's like it went back. I don't know how many generations.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I think she said four generations.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Four generations. They were all jewelers or watchmakers all you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: creative individuals, but they focused on jewelry and she grew
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: up around it. She learned about it from them, especially
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: her father, and sad her father passed away and he
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: had all this leftover jewelry and molds and machinery and
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: rocks and stone, and she, you know, she came to
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: a crossroad, like she's gonna say, where's like do I
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: continue this? Do I continue their legacy? Or you know,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: do I chuck all this in the garbage?
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: And it was just amazing listening to her, and you
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: guys are going to get to hear her story. But
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: every piece of jewelry that she makes has a story
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: behind it, and she gets that from her father, I believe,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: because she was talking about her father's jewelry and there
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: was this one story about this little mouse that they
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: had these sugar packets because you use that to make
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: jewelry back then, the sugar and I guess there was
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: a mouse in it and it climbed up this chain
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: and he created this cute, the tiniest little mouse with that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: The attention to detail was just insane and it was
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: on this little chain. So that was the story behind that,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: and she has continued that with her pieces. The stories
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: behind each piece was she It just showed that everything
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: that she does is not just I'm gonna make this today.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: It had a full story.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, story has meaning, it's you know, and that's that's
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: tremendous because a lot of these other jewelers out there,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: jewelry factories, i'm gonna call them, they just pump things
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: out like there's nothing really behind it. It's just like,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, people might like this, people might like that.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: But for Alisa, it was like creating something that meant
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: something to her and had a story and had the meaning.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: So I love that she had this Mermaid piece, which
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: we're gonna share a photo of that. I wore it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. It was gorgeous. I was kind
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: of jealous that I couldn't just take it in my
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: pocket and take it home, you know, but beautiful beautiful, stunning,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: goes around your neck, it holds a saran like when
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: you're on the beach, just beautiful, like who would think
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: of that?
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: She?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I was telling my husband, she's absolutely genius. Her mind
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: did the things that she creates and how she comes
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: up with this stuff is just genius to me. And
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: we love her way of thinking about life and about
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the meaning of life and making yourself happy and the
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: advice she gave us. So I know you guys are
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: gonna love her. She doesn't have her jewelry and stores
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: right now, but it's in resorts and I'm hoping. I'm
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: hoping to see it in these big, big jewelry stores
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: because it's worth being there. And there's so many pieces
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that are just just so stunning that you would never
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: see anything like that in a normal jewelry store.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: No, you wouldn't see anything any of her stuff in
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: a normal jewelry store.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: No.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: But she was incredibly nice. We loved her. She was
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: so welcoming. She got us chips and drinks and it
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: just felt like you were just chilling with a friend.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we love that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: We love that. We got to see all her father's
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: equipment and all his molds and all the jewelry he
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: made and all the jewelries she made, and it just
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: felt like we knew so much about her and her
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: family just from that.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: We felt like family.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I like how she had all the original equipment. Yeah,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and then you know how she talked to us about like, well,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: now they don't use you know, this and this and this,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: they use you know, a computer to design it. Yep,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: and it's just not the same.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: No, it was amazing to me. I was so intrigued
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: that we we got to learn in that short amount
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: of time the art, the old art of creating jewelry
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: from the lost art. I'm gonna call it the Lost
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: art of creating jewelry. And it is, guys. It's amazing
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: and no computer programming man made by yourself, creating these
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: molds by hand of a beautiful jewelry piece. It was
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: just so there's no words to describe it. And I'm
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: so glad that Sean and I got to witness this
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: and learn this, because not many people know that that's
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: how jewelry is made, and they're never gonna know it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: And I told her, like, you need to share this
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: with the world, like you need to teach people the
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: lost art of jewelry making. You know, maybe that's your legacy.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I truly believe it is, because it was. It was
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: amazing to learn all that and see all that and
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: how it was done. Like I never knew whoever thinks
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: of what goes into making a little piece of jewelry
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: or you know, a necklace, a ring, a bracelet. You
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: don't you never thought about it. I never thought about that. No,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: So I won't say anymore because the interview will speak
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: for itself. But we're gonna be sharing videos and pictures
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: in the weeks to come, and if you.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Want to check out her designs and purchase some of
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: her jewelry, you could go to Vivian Charles dot com
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: and that's v I v I E N N E
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Charles dot com. She's also on Instagram at Vivian Charles Jewelry.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: But anyway, let's jump into the interview we had with
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Alisa Gilbert from Vivian Charles Jewelry. So what changed your
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: mind on being a lawyer and got you to jump
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: fully into the jewelry world.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Practicing lawge Verry Lucre worrying about somebody's problems that they
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: don't want to have, and them being associating you with
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the worst time.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Of their life.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: This is what I do.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: What I do for a living is I take care of.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: The worst time in people's lives all my life. All
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I do every day is worry about the worst part
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: of your life.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: But it's very lucrative. You know, you can be making
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: you know you're gonna make a lot of money. You've
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: been doing it for years. Walking away from that is
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: to decide you're going to be more happy while you're
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: doing this.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And the building the process is expensive and time consuming
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and a lot of faith and a lot of real
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: marketing planning, and which is not jewelry making.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Which is not nearly as much fun.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: It's like sitting around and you know, talking to like
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: coming up with a brand name, it's like a month
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: long process, and how did you come up with that name?
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I hired a branding company and I work shopped it,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: workshopped it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And you talk about how you want people to feel
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: when they're buying your jewelry, and how you want them
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: to feel when they're wearing your jewelry. What's your image
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: of the shopping experience, what's your image of the person
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: who's wearing it, and you're like, it was literally I
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: felt like my brain was gonna slot out my air.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: It was it like a twenty page book at the end,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and at the end of it, you're like, I don't care.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: If you just say use purple, purple would be the
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: brand name forever. And you're like, just give me a
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: brand name. At the end of I don't care anymore.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so they're getting these names and they're like
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: contractions of your name and combinations of words that you
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: can't remember how to spell when they're done.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: And you're like, I don't think that's gonna work cause
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: I can't remember it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And then so I had this company working with me
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and I get a phone call finally, like they've been
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: growing names up, you know.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: I get a phone call like eight in the morning.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: The wife is really great.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: She was really it was a husband wife team and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: uh she was really good and very uh under rated.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I think I had this Sowden middle of the night
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Vivian Charles, just because Vivian Charles.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Vivian is my mother. Fu Charles was my father.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: It's great, it works, it's easy, it says everything, and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: it's and it sounds I was gonna say rebel Queen
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: viv Yeah, King Charles, and I was like done.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: It was like the easy decision. We were doing like
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Scottish things because my father's Scottish. We were trying to
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: pull in the Scottish heritage. We were trying to pull
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: in them.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: It's like and I all I know about Scotland is
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that people are kind of tough, and they she rocks
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: for breakfast and they had thistles. Is their their their
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: favorite flowers at this well?
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: And that makes sense.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: It's like if you met my grandfather, you'd be like done,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: got it the thistle. And then we were trying to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: go with the logo and.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Actually we ended up trying to modify the thistle.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So if you look at the logo, it's actually a
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: modified thistle, but it's a d C.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of work to start off business. It's
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: a tremendous amount of work to start the brand. It's
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: not so hard to start a business.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Like when I just started, you know, selling, people come
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: by and they were like asking, you know what I did?
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: You know, and they wanted a piece of jewelry. You know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: people get really enthusiastic.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And I have to say, when you're doing it, I'd
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: be a terrible salesperson, like in a you know, a
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: show or a store. But if you're just asking me
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: about jewelry and had it and like and I can,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: it's a journey. It's a fun thing. I want to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: like show you everything and take you on the whole
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: trip with me as I was making it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Why I did that, and why I did this, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: what this is supposed to be, telling you how you're
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: supposed to feel about this, and.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: So growing up with jewelers, how has your family history
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: of you know, your father was a jeweler, your grandfathers
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: were jewelers, How has that shaped your jewelry journey.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I couldn't do this if it was in three generations,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: four generations in my family.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: It is so unfair to even suggest that, even though.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I am new at this end, we are a brand,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and I have not been doing this for thirty years,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: recently five years mostly, it would be such a it's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: such a misrepresentation because if somebody came in and wanted
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to start from scratch and had five years of learning,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: they'd be nowhere near this.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: You know, And even though I didn't do it I have.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I'm walking on shoulders of people who spent hundreds of
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: years doing it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of like if I didn't name it
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: after my parents, it would be a criminal act, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: because it's not like it's me entirely, And that's just
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: what it is. When you're coming back at it, like
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: if you can't say you're like standing on even though
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: they're not here to help you, which sometimes I think
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I can talk to him, and like most of the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: time I think he's laughing at me, and he's like
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I was wondering how long you're gonna take to figure
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: that out. I actually opened up a machine the killing
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that we used to burn out the wax inside.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: There was a note, a note in himself. He like
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: thanked the oven for him to the temperature. It's like,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: you never thank me. I kicked out buttons all summer long,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: for summers, on top of summers, on top of summers.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I never gonna thank you. I didn't get along one
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: o my god. But he was definitely a character. He
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: loved his choice of your father. Well, everything does, and
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that's it's impossible for it not to, you know, Like
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: look around it's like everything's very ashently.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: So much of it was just as he left it,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: you know, in mid stream. You know, at the first year,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: all I did was finish a bunch of stuff. He
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: did didn't that he didn't finish, you know, he had
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: gotten it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Cast it, didn't lost interest in do it. At least
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a year and a half I spent sorting stones. And
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: those weren't those stones. They were like the little tiny
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: ones where you're like cause he never put them in,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: like he didn't play but them.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: He knew what they were, and he wasn't worrying about me, and.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: They weren't in like size order or all of the
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: sapphires together. You'd find sapphires here, you'd find sapphires in
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: my pocket, you'd findaphires in another cabinet.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: You find sapphires in the index card holder. But you
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: knew where they were exactly exactly, And what's your business?
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: I know where it is, what's yours? What do you
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: need to know where my sallies are for?
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: That's that's the crazy, that's the first That's why it
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: never became anything I did than him, And that's where
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I learned from that.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: It has to be indexed. And it's a it's a treasure,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: but it means it will live on. It won't be
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Who is this Gilbert guy? How come this Gilbert? I
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: see Gilbert everywhere. You know, it's not Vivian Charles, but
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: it was Gilbert for the longest time until this year.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Everything we do, we just Gilbert. That's my family's name,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: and that's the name of their jewelers.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Jewelry shop was every variation on Gilbert jewelry, Vijurie, Gilbert.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: It was never like a brand. It was just that's
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: where we Yeah, I used to land my name on it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Why not.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: My father got a little fancy every once in a
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: while he put a seed gee on things because it
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: was Charles Gilbert and that was and.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: My grandfather never bothered to do that. And my great
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: grandfather was a watchmaker.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: He did clocks and watches, and there was sculptors in
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: there too, and my mother was a passion illustrator.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Jeez, that's absolutely amazing.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: The creativity, the talent, the art is just surging through
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: your bloodline surging. Did you work in their jewelry shop
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: as a young child, or did they teach you how
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: to make jewelry.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was in junior high school and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I was working in the studio. I was like, I
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't pulling waxes. I was doing something much more mundane.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I was cutting circles out of silver with a kick press.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: And I was sitting in a chair and there's a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: machine called the kickpress, and there's a little bucket and
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I was taking a piece of silver and I was
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: going and then a piece of silver.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Good, down, and piecea so we're good in the bucket.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And I turned to my grandfather and I'm like, Grandpa,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: am I really going to do this all summer? Can't
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: we train a monk?
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Can you do this? And he's like, this is what
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: you'll be doing all summer and talk during week.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: It is a little like in our view of the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: way things are done today and how you can do
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: so much the idea of kicking out. And I still
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: have some I found some of the little circles I
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: did that summer when I was Yeah, really, but it's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: an art.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: It's like everything's in art. It is the bottom line.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Pulling a wax is an art. Making the mold is
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: an art. Knowing how to make.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: A mold Wow, So would you say that the art
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: of making jewelry has changed them? You know, like, what's
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: the difference between when your father and your grandfathers were
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: making jewelry to nowadays?
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: You know what has changed?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: So if you make if I do something from scratch
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and I want to make a mold on it, I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: cast it and then I take that piece of metal
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and I in this is you put that metal into
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a bunch of rubber and then you heat it and
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: pressurize it, and then you have to cut.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: It out and then you have them another mold. So
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: now you can make another one, or you can change it,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: or you can do whoever you want with it. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: that's how the jewelry world works, or did work almost
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: exclusively for many years. Now that's probably just a big factory.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Well no, even then it could have been. But you know,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you have to have a lot of people pulling waxes
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and stuff.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: So what happens with that is.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: It there are people who are really good at pulling waxes, right,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: There are people who are really good at making molds,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Like they know where to put the vents in there
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: so that it builds. Because everything can be a problem, right,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you have the mold. You think, okay, great, you got
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a wax injector you got your mold.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: What's the issue. Just stick the wax in the machine
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: in the mold, and you got to know it has
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: to be the right temperature inside the rubber. Some mold
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: doesn't flow.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: It has to have the right pressure as it's coming
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: into the mold or uls. Some mold doesn't flow, the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: wax doesn't flow. It has to have vents so air
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: gets out, it's a little cavity and goes somewhere else
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: when the wax comes in or else it doesn't flow.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: And then you got or it has to have the
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: right cuts so that when you take them mold out
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: it doesn't break. So how would they do that today?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Then I take some pieces to Career Casting in New
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: York and I say, make a mold for me.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: They have said to me, and I quote, that's unmoldable.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: And I say, nothing's unmultible. What are you talking about? Unmoldable.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: That's lunacy. Everything can be molded.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they are professional in these professional jewelry and
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: they do what is done today. And if it isn't
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: easy to do the way that they do things, it's
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: just not going to get done. And there's their place,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and there's not a lot of people who are focused
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: so intensely on doing it and getting it done that
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: they're going to find the way to make this work.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: And they know they can and it will, and so
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: people will come to that one person. They'll become like
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: the little like grew in.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: This area, but they only do the most bizarrely difficult
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and complicated things and then they're all kind of like
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: unicorns now and they're all going away. Yeah, and so
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: now everybody, so they don't even use rubber anymore.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Rubber is very hard to find. And then there's all
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: kinds of mold.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Being material they have now where it's just put it
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: in a cup and put it in like a pressurized
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: thing and it cures by itself overnight.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: No heat and pressure.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so that now they there's so many different
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: ways of doing this that the old ways are the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: ways that you.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Need to know how to do it if you want
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: to do something you neique.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: But Julie's kind of going into a slightly more conformed methodology.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Things are not as refined, they're not as delicate because
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you can't do delicate in Cat.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: You can't do etching in Cat. You can't do engraving.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: You can do engraving like a name or something, but
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: you can't engrave like and it's not the same as
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: if you pull a wax and it's what it is.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: You know it's gonna cast. You know you've got that thing.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: So that's becoming the standard, though, so you're trading off
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: some of the skills that were around for years for
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: convenience and lower labor. And then I see my father
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: and me, I'm like, I can cast it myself. I
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: don't need to pay eleven dollars a piece to cut
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: carrera for them to cast this for me on top
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of the price of the metal.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: And then I think that's eleven of those pieces.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: And then casting takes a long time. And then if
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: a cast fails, you're like, oh, it's always of the night.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna ask you how long does casting a
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: piece take?
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: But it does take a lot of time. And if
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: you've got limited time, you call it carrera and you're like, oh,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: can I bring it in? Then the next day you
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: have it metal. Yeah, do you think that's easier? But
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: the heck, I'm a lot easier. That's what I'm doing.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: But then you're losing.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, use, but that's then you're paying casting labor and
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you're paying for other types of labor, so you I mean,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: it's still labor.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: But when you do it yourself, you're like, oh, but
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna live that day anyway.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Right, So if I spend my time doing that, it's
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: not the same as spending it spending money on somebody
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: else to do it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: And you're like, yeah, every minute you spend it's something
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: you gotta think about how you want to spend it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: You know, it's your only you only have these many
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: days in your life.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: If you spend it like you know, sweeping the floor
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: or hauling rocks or building a cathedral.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: It's your choice, right, you choose.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: It's very true.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: It's it's all you have is your days. You don't
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: get the lousy days back. At the end, I'm like, oh, well,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: this is a wasted day. I waste it out the credit.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: But it's later, it'll be better when it's just one
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: day gone. It's gone like that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: If well, you know, if the day you realize it
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't you start making some judicial decisions.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: How do you spend your time like otherwise you just
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: taken a long walk into a six foot all in
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: the ground. It's one way street and to a six
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: foot all in the ground.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Like I really feel sorry for kids that are learning
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: it for the first time today and will never learn
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: how to be a bench your not that they should
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: have to be a bench.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Yours to do it, but if you know how to
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: do it from hand, you know why to do.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Certain things and why not to do other things, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: why some things will look better than others.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: And the balance of old and new, you know, like
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: makes it easier, it makes it brings it, brings it
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: into today.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if it isn't today, otherwise I'm just
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: reliving my dad's life, right, and or my dad and
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: my grandfather and my great grandfather's life.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: And you have to move forward with these things, and.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: You know, without abandoning the parts that are good. Yeah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: there's always something good that you want to carry forward.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: And there's a lot of crap that you could you
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: could lose, just a lot of work to startup as them.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: It's a tremendous amount of work to start a brand.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: It's not so hard to start as.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Like when I just started, you know, selling people would
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: come by and they were like asking, you know what
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I did, you know, and they wanted a piece of jewelry.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: You know, people get really enthusiastic, and I have to say,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: when you're doing it, I'd be a terrible salesperson, like.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: In a s in a show or a store.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you're just asking me about jewelry and
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: had to and like and I can, it's a journey.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: It's a fun thing. I want to like show you
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: everything and take you on the whole trip with me
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: as I was making it. Why I did that, and
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: why I did this, and what this is supposed to be,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: telling you how you're supposed to feel about this?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: And do you sell the jewelry in stores?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: What I've done now is I've I put them in
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: resorts there, resort mostly resorts. I don't have them in
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: any stores right now, but that's only because I haven't
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: had the time to market that way.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Well, you should put them in stores because they're absolutely
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: gorgeous and I'm loving all of the elements that you
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: have in the designs, all the animals, all the little
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: creatures and the attention to detail. But yeah, you really
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: should look into putting them in stores. Besides that, is
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: there anything new and exciting coming up for Vivian Charles.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: So there's a competition and in Singapore.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: So the Singapore Show has several actual competitions of jewelers
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: designers who are submitting work and they'll get a free
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: booth in Venice if they win. And it's design is
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: based on the sixtieth anniversary of Singapore, so you have
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to come up with a design that is that.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Speaks to Italy and Singapore's alliance. So this one piece
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: has to be.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Under thirty thousand Singapore dollars retail, native gold and diamond
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: or other precious metal stones speak to the Singapore Italy
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: alliance between the countries and trade and history and national
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: pride of both countries. And I think that might be
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the limitations that it has. It has to be gold
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to have stones, but if it
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: has done so precious stones.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, Venice, that's insanely exciting. I know we
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: can't share the design you're making, but we saw it
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: and all I can say is it's absolutely gorgeous and
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: just I don't know how you came up with that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: It's amazing. It's all I could say, and.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: That the other competitors that are beyond their game. I
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: know that your father would be so proud of you.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: And that leads into my next question. Do you ever
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: feel your father guiding you through this jewelry journey or
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: kind of see him coming out through you or something
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: that he did coming out through you.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: My favorite is when I come across something and I
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: really and I see that I've done it exactly the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: way he did it.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I figured that I had the same problem. The whole
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: time I had the problem, I was like, I'm sure
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Dad never had this problem. I'm sure he never read
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: this problem I wish I had.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: And then I figure out and I'm looking at it,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm looking at what he did, and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he had the same problem.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: He couldn't do it either. You had to figure this
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: right there. He's like, now I get it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, I'm on the right track at least
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: if I'm having the same mistake, if I'm making the.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Same mistakes he was making or having the same problems
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: he had, I feel like, all right, I'm all right.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: He'd like something me. He died eighty one. He's seventy
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: years of experience of this on me. I'm like on
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: the right track. If something, I'm in the right direction.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I have like a cheat sheet though, like I can
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: look at what he did sometimes and soil, like I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: can figure out what I can't do.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: I can figure out how he dealt with it first.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: So the question is, are you howling ross here? You
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: know the cathedral? Yeah, I got a little both.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like getting into my cathedral stage right now, but
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time hauling rocks.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: It's you know, it's all about how you look at life, right,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: you know. It's true.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I am now in my building a cathedral stage and
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: it's a little it's a lot more fun even than
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: when my dad was doing it. I think he was
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: more like somewhere in between that guy in the middle
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: who's like building a family and doing the right thing.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: And he was doing what he liked to do, but
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: he was not doing He wasn't building a cathedral. He
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't making it his vision of something. He was making
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: a vision of something, you know, And they were beautiful
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and that every you know, he was very well respected
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in his field, but it was not like I'm going
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: to make this into its own thing.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like he was just basically going with
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: the flow without an end goal in sight, piling up
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: those rocks while you want to build that cathedral and
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: create something that will live on in this very short
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: life while still remaining happy with what you do. I mean,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: it's just it must feel absolutely amazing that to have
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: gotten away from the nine to five prison that most
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: people are stuck in right with their jobs and careers,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: and it's I love that you were able to get
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: away from that and be happy in creating and continuing
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: your father and grandfather's legacy.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: That's when I was working in an office in a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: queue in an office when I was in college, and
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this could be it a cube in an
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: office space in a corporate park, and then you die.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: It's not sure what it's so true. I'll be just
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: having this conversation.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: It's like my husband said, is this what life is like? Work?
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Work, work, and then you retire when you're old and
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: you can't do anything, and it's like I don't like, I'm.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Like, well, unfortunately, I mean, if it don't make your
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: life better, this is what it is.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: It's up to you. It doesn't have to be this.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: It could be anything.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Where do you see Vivian Charles going or growing.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: In the future.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: What is your hopes and dreams for Vivian Charles.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: The one thing I wanna do with this for real
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: is not have when I'm done with it, nothing but.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: A pile of rock.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah you know.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: There. This can't just end with me, So it has
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: to be organized and packaged and prepackaged and or and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: reorganized and maybe not molds.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Maybe, So I've been re scanning it.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I wanna give this to a young person so that
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't die when I die. I'm like sixty, I'm
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: starting on my I'm approaching sixty, and I'm beginning to
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: make this into something.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have kids?
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: No? I I had a great dog.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I saw little Kirpy as I, but he passed away
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: after sixteen years old.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, oh my lap.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: No, it's great. I had the best of everything, But
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: I don't have a kid.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I wanna meet young people who really do care about
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: it and love it and wanna build, and I want
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: to turn it into something. If I don't just give
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: it to a young person to do it. I want
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: it to be an entity, a thing. It will continue.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to just be scrapped when I die,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: like it would have with my dad.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I just have to say, hearing your stories about your
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: father and your drive and just your beautiful mind and
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: way of thinking, I am so sure that in the
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: future everyone will say Elisa Gilbert lived her life the
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: way she wanted to live her life, and that is
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: amazing to say.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: You know what, that's what I say about my dad.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: It may not have been that he had to sing
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: all organized and packaged perfectly. And if it wasn't, if
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't, if I loved the law to such a
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: degree that I couldn't possibly part with it, it would
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: have gone into a big box. And he wouldn't care
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: because he wasn't here. You know, at this point it's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: not his problem. But he did what he wanted to do,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: when he wanted to do it, as he wanted to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: do it, with what limit. Whatever he was willing to
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: do he did, and whatever he wasn't willing like, I mean, yeah,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: that was his way. And so you cannot feel bad
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: for anybody who lives their life that way, right, But
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: you know, this is sort of where I want it
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: to be. Some people talk about their legacy. I don't
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: know what kind of legacy I'll have, but I don't.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Want this to die. I want this to be. I
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: want this to evolve, and I want to evolve well
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: with a really good high level. Love doesn't ask. So
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: where do your hopes and where you see your this sculling?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I would love that would be my That's my aspiration
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: for this is to have it stay in a fine
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: like a house of fine jewelry and even fun get better,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: get more elegant, get more refined, getting you know, take
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: advantage of the three D stuff where it's appropriate to
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: do it, where it doesn't deteriorate the quality of your style.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Do there's no reason not to, But where it doesn't,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: don't stop doing the other.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Thing because it's not easy to do in cad or
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: it's not easy to do.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: And then do it the hard way, but do it well,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: don't do it badly the easy way, and abandon any
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: attempt to and then develop it and keep.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Going and turn it into something fantastic.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Because it's you know, if we go backwards or we
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: just get lazy, have a vision of a beautiful thing
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: and it's hard to do it, and cad don't do
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: it and do it beautifully. And beauty is one thing
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: that I think everybody it's like binds humanity, like there's
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: pretty is one thing the beauty binds humanity.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: And that's what your child will know about you.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Alisa Gilbert for having us and
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: inviting us into your studio. We had an absolute great time. Everyone.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Check out Vivian Charles dot com and Vivian Charles Jewelry
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: on social media. That is our show for this week.
• 47:50
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