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- 0:01Philip Pape: Eat more to lose weight a common refrain by fitness influencers who claim your metabolism is damaged and you're in starvation mode.
- 0:10Philip Pape: Sometimes people do lose weight with this advice, but not for the reasons claimed.
- 0:15Philip Pape: Today, I'm revealing what science actually says about increasing your food intake during fat loss.
- 0:20Philip Pape: There's a legitimate way to eat more while losing fat, but it's not what you've been told.
- 0:25Philip Pape: This approach has helped my clients overcome plateaus and actually enjoy their fat loss journey instead of constantly battling hunger.
- 0:32Philip Pape: If you're tired of all the confusing advice, this episode will give you the clarity you've been looking for.
- 0:52Philip Pape: Welcome to Wits and Weights, the show that helps you build a strong, healthy physique using evidence, engineering and efficiency.
- 0:56Philip Pape: I'm your host, philip Pape, and today we're addressing one of the most persistent myths in the fitness industry this idea that you need to eat more to lose weight.
- 1:06Philip Pape: You've probably heard fitness influencers claim that your metabolism is damaged, you're in starvation mode or you need to eat more to rev up your metabolic rate.
- 1:15Philip Pape: When people do lose weight following this advice, it's usually because they've improved their food quality.
- 1:22Philip Pape: They've started tracking more accurately.
- 1:23Philip Pape: They've gotten rid of those oops weekends.
- 1:24Philip Pape: They've improved their food quality, they've started tracking more accurately.
- 1:25Philip Pape: They've gotten rid of those oops weekends They've added in training, not because they've fixed their metabolism or reverse dieted by increasing calories.
- 1:34Philip Pape: The fundamental truth still remains that you need a calorie deficit to lose fat.
- 1:39Philip Pape: However, there is a legitimate way to increase your food volume while maintaining that deficit.
- 1:45Philip Pape: It is not about magically increasing calories, but it's about strategically selecting and structuring your food choices.
- 1:54Philip Pape: Those choices will help you maximize volume and satiety while supporting fat loss.
- 2:00Philip Pape: So today I want to share five evidence-based approaches that I use with clients that will allow you to fill your plate and to feel satisfied while continuing to lose fat effectively.
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- 2:57Philip Pape: All right, let's get into today's topic and I want to clarify what I mean when I say that you can eat more and lose weight.
- 3:04Philip Pape: I am not suggesting that you can magically consume more calories and still lose fat.
- 3:09Philip Pape: That is where I think the influencers mislead people with the marketing right Like you could just eat more calories, eat more food in general and you're going to lose weight somehow.
- 3:17Philip Pape: What I'm talking about is increasing the physical volume of food on your plate while still maintaining the calorie deficit, the physical volume of food on your plate while still maintaining the calorie deficit.
- 3:26Philip Pape: And this is an approach where you need some data-driven information, nutrition science, a systems thinking mindset to optimize your fat loss journey.
- 3:38Philip Pape: It's a very creative, almost engineering type approach to structuring your meals and choosing what foods to eat.
- 3:42Philip Pape: You don't just do it willy nilly.
- 3:43Philip Pape: You don't just choose foods based on macros.
- 3:46Philip Pape: This is not if it fits your macros.
- 3:49Philip Pape: There is a little more nuance and there are a few more variables involved.
- 3:53Philip Pape: So when we apply this thinking to nutrition, we are trying to do what we're trying to maximize satiety and satisfaction while keeping calories in check.
- 4:01Philip Pape: So our constraint is the calories, but then this other lever is how full we feel.
- 4:07Philip Pape: So I've got five approaches that I came up with for today's episode to increase your food volume but still maintain the calorie level that you need to support fat loss.
- 4:17Philip Pape: All right, so approach number one is understanding the thermic effect of food.
- 4:22Philip Pape: T-e-f.
- 4:23Philip Pape: This is the slice of your metabolism Like, if you ever look at it on a pie chart, and I show you the four components of metabolism.
- 4:30Philip Pape: This is the one that takes about say, 10, 15% of calories a day to burn, and what I mean by burn is this is the energy your body uses to digest, absorb and process what you eat.
- 4:43Philip Pape: Different macronutrients actually require different amounts of energy to process, and protein has the highest TEF or thermic effect of food, at approximately 20 to 30% of its calories being burned while you digest it.
- 4:59Philip Pape: So you're really only quote unquote absorbing 70 to 80% of what's going in.
- 5:05Philip Pape: Carbs burn about 5 to 10% and fats burn only about 0 to 3%.
- 5:10Philip Pape: So what this means practically it's pretty cool.
- 5:13Philip Pape: If you throw this in a spreadsheet and you play around with different compositions of macros, you'll see that the more protein you consume, the fewer calories you're probably going to actually take into your body, which will look like a higher energy expenditure, if that makes sense.
- 5:27Philip Pape: So, because technically it is a higher energy expenditure.
- 5:31Philip Pape: But what matters is that you could either eat more and not gain as much weight, or you can eat less and lose more weight.
- 5:39Philip Pape: That makes sense.
- 5:39Philip Pape: So if you consume 100 calories of protein, your body's going to use 20 to 30 of those just in the digestion process, leaving 70 to 80 net calories for your body to actually use.
- 5:50Philip Pape: Compare that to fat, where the same 100 calories still means almost 100 net calories.
- 5:57Philip Pape: So by increasing protein intake, by slightly reducing fat or carb intake, while keeping total calories the same, you effectively create a larger calorie deficit without changing your food quantity because you're bumping up your expenditure just a bit.
- 6:12Philip Pape: So again, if I want to give you two examples so you can visualize this as you're listening, let's say we have two meals that are 500 calories.
- 6:21Philip Pape: Meal one has 30 grams of protein, 30 fat and almost 30 grams of carbs.
- 6:27Philip Pape: Meal two has 60 grams of protein, 15 grams of fat, so that's double the protein, half the fat and about the same amount of carbs.
- 6:35Philip Pape: With meal one, after you account for this TEF, your body will net about 445 calories out of the 500.
- 6:45Philip Pape: With meal two, you might net only 415 calories out of the 500, and that's a 30 calorie difference.
- 6:52Philip Pape: And that's just from one meal.
- 6:53Philip Pape: It's just a 30 gram difference in protein.
- 6:56Philip Pape: Imagine if you go from a fairly low amount of daily protein to a much higher amount.
- 7:00Philip Pape: Many of you listening the first time you've done this, or if you haven't done it yet, chances are you're gonna double, possibly triple, the amount of protein.
- 7:07Philip Pape: So it starts to add up.
- 7:08Philip Pape: This is also why sometimes I suggest, during fat loss, to jack the protein up even higher and take it predominantly from fats and not as much from carbs.
- 7:16Philip Pape: Of course there's more to it than calories, right?
- 7:19Philip Pape: Protein is also more satiating, above and beyond this effect, and so it helps you feel full longer.
- 7:26Philip Pape: So by strategically increasing protein intake, you're not just reducing the effect of calories, you're also reducing hunger.
- 7:33Philip Pape: Two for one, one of my favorites, all right approach.
- 7:36Philip Pape: Number two fiber.
- 7:37Philip Pape: So fiber is the volume optimizer I'm gonna call it Okay and it is unique among the carbs, among the carbohydrates, because, unlike other carbs which provide four calories per gram, fiber provides fewer usable calories, between usually zero and two, maybe up to two and a half calories per gram, depending on the type of fiber.
- 7:58Philip Pape: And what makes this interesting is that most food tracking apps, like if you're using macro factor, like I recommend link in the show notes try it for free with my code Wits and Weights you will and also nutrition labels as well.
- 8:12Philip Pape: They actually count the fiber as grams of carbs, but then the calories will usually be altered to match the proper amount of calories, and that is why when you try to add it all up, sometimes it doesn't match.
- 8:25Philip Pape: Like if you just take your carbs carb grams times four, it may be higher calories than what is actually shown on the nutrition label, because the nutrition label is based on the true calories that are in there.
- 8:37Philip Pape: Same thing when you log the food, and so this creates an opportunity when you're tracking via macros, in that when you increase your fiber intake, you increase your food volume and you quote, unquote hit your carbs before you get to the same calorie level than if you had a lower amount of fiber.
- 8:56Philip Pape: Does that make sense?
- 8:56Philip Pape: So even if you have the same, like, let's say, 100 grams of carbs a day, if more of those grams are fiber, you're actually gonna consume fewer calories and so that gap between the gram math and the calories will widen and you can take advantage of that.
- 9:10Philip Pape: Now the even bigger benefit is that fiber adds bulk to food without adding the proportional calories.
- 9:18Philip Pape: It absorbs water, it expands in your stomach, it slows digestion and all of those increase satiety.
- 9:23Philip Pape: And so, again, I can give you a concrete example here.
- 9:26Philip Pape: If we talk about white rice versus brown rice, right and nothing's good or bad.
- 9:30Philip Pape: This is just a difference in choices for what you're going for here.
- 9:33Philip Pape: We take 100 calories of white rice compared to 100 calories of brown rice.
- 9:37Philip Pape: The brown rice contains more fiber, not a huge amount more, but it contains a little bit more, and that means it will physically take up more space in your stomach and digest more slowly.
- 9:45Philip Pape: Then you'll likely feel fuller from the brown rice, even though the calorie count is identical, which means you might actually choose to eat less brown rice and have fewer calories and be just as full, or eat the same amount and be even fuller.
- 9:58Philip Pape: You get what I'm saying.
- 9:59Philip Pape: You have a lot of levers to play with.
- 10:00Philip Pape: Now imagine applying this to your entire diet.
- 10:02Philip Pape: If you're always selecting higher fiber alternatives for carb sources, you will dramatically increase the volume of food while maintaining the same calorie intake.
- 10:12Philip Pape: That is amazing.
- 10:14Philip Pape: And, by the way, the other, the other way to think about this is even once you've hit your carbs and your protein in your food logging app and you notice the calories are short because you eat a lot of fiber.
- 10:24Philip Pape: You now you have a choice.
- 10:25Philip Pape: Maybe you're getting full enough where you don't need those extra calories and you'll be in an even bigger deficit, as long as it's not too big, right.
- 10:31Philip Pape: Or you can now eat a little bit more food in case you're having a little bit of hunger, and this can actually offset it where you have less hunger.
- 10:38Philip Pape: You see how this all makes sense, all right.
- 10:41Philip Pape: The third approach out of the five I wanted to talk about today of how to eat more and still lose fat is related to water content and food density.
- 10:50Philip Pape: And if you think about, say, spinach a pound of spinach versus a pound of oil Just imagine a pound of spinach in a giant bowl versus a pound of oil in a little tiny bowl they're going to contain vastly different amounts of calories.
- 11:06Philip Pape: Now, this is an extreme, I get it.
- 11:07Philip Pape: You might substitute the oil for peanut butter.
- 11:09Philip Pape: Same concept the spinach has like 100 calories in a pound.
- 11:12Philip Pape: The oil has about 4,000 calories in a pound.
- 11:16Philip Pape: So that is a 40 fold difference in nutrient density or calorie density.
- 11:22Philip Pape: Right, because foods with higher water content will have lower calorie density, because the water adds weight and volume without adding calories.
- 11:29Philip Pape: Take an apple, go, put an apple in macro factor or whatever your food logging app is, and see how many grams of that apple is water.
- 11:37Philip Pape: It's a huge percent.
- 11:38Philip Pape: It's like 80 or 90% of it is water.
- 11:40Philip Pape: It's surprising.
- 11:42Philip Pape: Almost You're like wow, that's actually mostly water.
- 11:45Philip Pape: And we can use this principle to again increase the volume of food on our plate.
- 11:50Philip Pape: For example, adding vegetables to a pasta dish might double the volume, but only add calories by increased by like 10 to 15%.
- 11:59Philip Pape: And so I'm going to give you another specific example.
- 12:02Philip Pape: You take a cup of cooked pasta with 200 calories.
- 12:05Philip Pape: You take a cup of zucchini noodles.
- 12:08Philip Pape: That's 20 calories.
- 12:09Philip Pape: So I'm not telling you to replace one with the other, although that's a great thing you could try.
- 12:14Philip Pape: But you can do half and half Get half the pasta, half the noodles.
- 12:18Philip Pape: You'll have the same volume that goes in your stomach, but you're going to reduce the calories by 40%.
- 12:22Philip Pape: That's a nice little hack where you still have the delicious taste of the pasta and then maybe a little bit crunchiness of the zucchini, and yet it's all this giant bowl of noodles.
- 12:31Philip Pape: It's great.
- 12:33Philip Pape: Consider soups, right?
- 12:37Philip Pape: Studies have shown that having soup before a meal can reduce total calorie intake by up to 20% because the water content increases your stomach volume.
- 12:43Philip Pape: It also triggers satiety signals.
- 12:45Philip Pape: There's something to be said for having actual calories in the soup versus just, say, drinking water before the meal.
- 12:50Philip Pape: And I'm a big fan of vegetable soups as well during fat loss, largely for that reason and this isn't just a theoretical approach, right, this is like a data-driven thing that you can easily measure and figure out as you are planning, as you're doing your meal plans, and you think about okay, what does the thing weigh versus how many calories it has?
- 13:10Philip Pape: Simple math, right?
- 13:12Philip Pape: I'll give you another cool example.
- 13:13Philip Pape: You look at popcorn in the store, grocery store, and notice the back.
- 13:17Philip Pape: You'll see 28 grams of popcorn is a serving.
- 13:20Philip Pape: Well, 28 grams is the weight.
- 13:21Philip Pape: But now look how many cups are in that 28 grams.
- 13:25Philip Pape: A regular salted, simple air pop popcorn is going to have like four cups for that 28 grams.
- 13:31Philip Pape: The dense sugary kettle corn might only have like one and a half.
- 13:34Philip Pape: And it's kind of tricky because you're looking at it and saying, well, they're both 28 grams, yeah, but the amount you get for the 28 grams is vastly different.
- 13:42Philip Pape: Okay, approach number four here involves the food structure in the physical form of food and manipulating it.
- 13:51Philip Pape: Okay, so listen up here.
- 13:53Philip Pape: This is another hack for you.
- 13:54Philip Pape: All, right, air.
- 13:55Philip Pape: How many calories are in air Zero?
- 13:58Philip Pape: Okay, air is calorie free.
- 14:00Philip Pape: So if you can incorporate air into foods, it increases their volume without adding calories.
- 14:04Philip Pape: In fact, this is how ice cream makers make cheap ice cream they add air to it and it gets, takes up more space for fewer calories.
- 14:12Philip Pape: They can then say it's this low calorie ice cream and it's just not as good as the really rich dense stuff, right, but it has fewer calories because there's more air.
- 14:19Philip Pape: This is also why a cup of air-popped popcorn has fewer calories than a cup of kettle corn, because there's more air and there's less dense material.
- 14:29Philip Pape: Segueing from the example I just gave you earlier.
- 14:30Philip Pape: Now it's more than just air.
- 14:32Philip Pape: The physical form of food impacts how A typical medium apple has like 95 calories, 100 calories.
- 14:43Philip Pape: If you juice the apple, you're going to consume way more than one apple's worth of juice to feel satisfied, right?
- 14:50Philip Pape: That's just intuitive.
- 14:52Philip Pape: And then you're going to double, triple your calorie intake.
- 14:54Philip Pape: Of course, it's all sugar.
- 14:55Philip Pape: You're not going to get fiber, yada, yada.
- 14:58Philip Pape: On the other hand, foods that require more chewing, for example, lead to greater satiety with fewer calories, and that's partly due to the additional time that it takes to eat them.
- 15:09Philip Pape: There's also some, I believe, some hormonal triggers from your saliva as well, but even the additional time that allows your body satiety signals to kick in in your stomach and your gut and so on, and so we can use this principle by choosing foods that have more complex structures, that take up more space and require more chewing.
- 15:25Philip Pape: So we're thinking harder foods that have more complex structures, that take up more space and require more chewing.
- 15:27Philip Pape: So we're thinking harder foods that require more chewing.
- 15:30Philip Pape: I actually first heard this from Dr Eric Trexler probably a couple of years ago, and I continue to use this as a phenomenal tool.
- 15:38Philip Pape: An example would be always choosing whole fruits.
- 15:40Philip Pape: You know you're not gonna drink.
- 15:42Philip Pape: I hope you're not drinking fruit juice during fat loss anyway.
- 15:45Philip Pape: I mean, you can and you can plan for it and put it in your macros and all that, but the whole fruits are going to take you much farther.
- 15:50Philip Pape: Or even fresh fruits versus dried fruits, of course.
- 15:54Philip Pape: Um, opting for popcorn instead of chips.
- 15:56Philip Pape: I think popcorn is a great hack during fat loss.
- 15:58Philip Pape: It really is, because it has a lot of the characteristics of, you know, salty, crunchy snack foods, but it's significantly less calorie impact.
- 16:07Philip Pape: And again, you could get light kettle corn.
- 16:12Philip Pape: You don't have to go all out with just plain popcorn.
- 16:14Philip Pape: If that's not your jam, you could still have something flavorful.
- 16:15Philip Pape: There's so many things.
- 16:16Philip Pape: You could put really nice seasoning on it, some spices and so on, making it home, whatever.
- 16:21Philip Pape: And then also picking foods that require chewing over those that don't.
- 16:24Philip Pape: And one thing that comes to mind here is meat.
- 16:26Philip Pape: You know, when you think of like chicken breast, it does require a lot of chewing.
- 16:29Philip Pape: You know lean pork, and it has a lot of other benefits too, not least of which is all the protein.
- 16:35Philip Pape: So if you can include more structurally complex foods in your diet, you can increase the volume and the satisfaction of your meals and reduce calorie intake.
- 16:44Philip Pape: All right, there's a pattern here.
- 16:45Philip Pape: That's why I'm doing this episode.
- 16:48Philip Pape: And then the last approach, number five is meal timing and frequency.
- 16:53Philip Pape: So optimizing timing and frequency, which, during fat loss, can be really important for a number of reasons.
- 16:59Philip Pape: So let's talk about what the research says.
- 17:02Philip Pape: Eating the same amount of calories spread across.
- 17:05Philip Pape: More frequent, smaller meals can increase satiety compared to fewer, larger meals, and that is simply related to blood sugar.
- 17:12Philip Pape: That's because more frequent meals are going to maintain more stable blood sugar and again, I'm not, you know, blood sugar is not a boogeyman.
- 17:18Philip Pape: Blood sugar spikes aren't the problem.
- 17:20Philip Pape: None of that is what I'm talking about.
- 17:23Philip Pape: I'm just talking about your hunger signals, because you have stable blood sugar and more opportunities for the body to signal fullness when you have frequent meals.
- 17:31Philip Pape: Now, these aren't always universal.
- 17:33Philip Pape: Some people do a little bit better with fewer meals, space more tightly together where they have a fasting window.
- 17:38Philip Pape: Right, you could say you could call it intermittent fasting, but it may not.
- 17:42Philip Pape: It may just be a you know, a little bit later breakfast, a little bit earlier dinner type of deal, especially when there are lower calories.
- 17:48Philip Pape: So it really depends, your body will adapt.
- 17:50Philip Pape: But in general, more frequent meals that are like a modest size and not too tiny are going to give you stable blood sugar if they're balanced, you know protein, carbs, fats, and then they're going to signal fullness.
- 18:01Philip Pape: So if you have like a 2000 calorie daily budget for fat loss this is just an example, I know you might have less you could eat 2000 calorie meals, or you can eat four 500 calorie meals, you know, and four or 500 calories is around the point where I would call it a meal.
- 18:17Philip Pape: Less than that could get a little bit tricky here, because it might not be enough to make you feel full.
- 18:21Philip Pape: Of course it depends on what.
- 18:23Philip Pape: It is right.
- 18:23Philip Pape: The total calories are going to be the same, but the four-meal approach keeps you in a fed state longer and reduces the extreme hunger between meals again, in general.
- 18:32Philip Pape: Also another trick front-loading calories earlier in the day.
- 18:36Philip Pape: Right, you've always heard like having breakfast is a good thing to do.
- 18:39Philip Pape: It aligns better with your circadian rhythm and that tends to result in better hormonal responses.
- 18:45Philip Pape: You know we think of cortisol, for example, and less nighttime hunger.
- 18:49Philip Pape: Believe it or not, eating earlier in the day, even though I've often recommended sometimes reserving some calories for later in the day because of late night hunger.
- 18:58Philip Pape: Sometimes it's because you're not front-loading the protein and the calories earlier in the day.
- 19:02Philip Pape: So it's worth trying these things out.
- 19:03Philip Pape: It's worth trying them out at the very least and see what works for you.
- 19:07Philip Pape: So, from a systems perspective, we are optimizing the distribution of energy across time to maximize satiety and minimize hunger.
- 19:16Philip Pape: It's kind of like if you can track when you're having your meals and then compare that to your hunger, you can then experiment and find the optimal point right.
- 19:25Philip Pape: It's this intelligent personal structure for your meal timing and frequency that works with however your body's natural naturally works.
- 19:33Philip Pape: However your body naturally works, okay, so I want to tie all of this together.
- 19:37Philip Pape: I just gave you five really cool approaches.
- 19:39Philip Pape: I hope at least one of them is going to help, be helpful to you and um the.
- 19:43Philip Pape: The real power here is is really combining them systematically.
- 19:47Philip Pape: So, again, you don't have to do them all, but my most successful clients are generally doing all of these at some point and you build it up as a set of skills.
- 19:56Philip Pape: So imagine combining higher protein intake, which you should be doing anyway before you even hit fat loss.
- 20:01Philip Pape: Fat loss.
- 20:02Philip Pape: Increased fiber same thing.
- 20:04Philip Pape: Lower food density right, we're talking about calorie density.
- 20:09Philip Pape: More complex foods that require chewing, optimizing your meal timing and frequency.
- 20:13Philip Pape: The compounding effect of all of these will create a calorie deficit that does not feel anything like a typical diet that you've experienced in the past, where you were just slashing and burning and cutting and just feeling miserable.
- 20:27Philip Pape: So definitely give it a shot.
- 20:28Philip Pape: Start with one, proceed to the next and the next and see how it helps with your hunger signals and your fullness, so that you can eat more quote unquote more food and in some cases, literally it is more in terms of volume and still maintain the calories or maintain the fat loss without as much hunger.
- 20:43Philip Pape: And again, this is being smart and efficient.
- 20:52Philip Pape: This is it.
- 20:52Philip Pape: It's not trying to be a disciplined, will-powered, white-knuckling your way through dieting.
- 20:54Philip Pape: No, it's understanding the physical and the biochemical properties of food and then using that knowledge to your advantage.
- 20:58Philip Pape: And then, when you approach the diet from that perspective, you realize that both eat less to lose weight and eat more to lose weight are actually oversimplifications.
- 21:08Philip Pape: I think the more accurate statement would be maintain a calorie deficit to lose fat, but optimize your food choices so you can eat more volume while doing so.
- 21:17Philip Pape: I know it's not short, punchy and sexy, but it's the truth and it's based on science and reality.
- 21:23Philip Pape: And this not only makes fat loss more effective, but also the S word more sustainable.
- 21:29Philip Pape: And sustainability is the key to long-term success.
- 21:32Philip Pape: Because, after all, the best diet I'll say it over and over again to the cows come home the best diet is the one you can stick to.
- 21:39Philip Pape: By applying these evidence-based principles to your nutrition, you then transform what is a white-knuckled crash diet weight loss journey to a systematic approach that aligns with their body's natural process, and that's super important.
- 21:56Philip Pape: That is an important shift.
- 21:57Philip Pape: We don't want to be battling hunger.
- 21:59Philip Pape: You're going to have a little bit of it, but you don't want to feel like you're constantly fighting it, especially if you have a history of a higher appetite than someone else.
- 22:06Philip Pape: If you want to learn more about how to do all of this, how to optimize your nutrition without the struggle, check out Whitson Weights Physique University.
- 22:13Philip Pape: In there, we provide you everything you need the tools, the methods, the onboarding, the support, custom nutrition plans, workshops, courses all of that.
- 22:21Philip Pape: We don't make it overwhelming.
- 22:23Philip Pape: We guide you step by step from the beginning and have myself, my team, supporting you.
- 22:28Philip Pape: We incorporate the principles we discussed today, tailored to your needs.
- 22:32Philip Pape: We tell you how to tailor them as well.
- 22:34Philip Pape: Personalized support.
- 22:36Philip Pape: You get access to workout programs, challenges, a community check-ins, all of it.
- 22:41Philip Pape: Go to witsandweightscom slash physique or click the link in the show notes to learn more.
- 22:46Philip Pape: All right, until next time, keep using your wits lifting those weights and remember smart nutrition is not about restricting yourself.
- 22:54Philip Pape: It's about getting more from less.
- 22:56Philip Pape: This is Philip Pape, and you've been listening to the Wits and Weights podcast.