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Common Questions People Ask Google About Public Speaking · The Expert's Journey: Helping Speakers & Authors Succeed!

• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, welcome back to The Expert's Journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you've ever had sweaty palms before a talk, forgotten what to say mid-sentence, or wondered whether your ideas were helping or hurting, you're not alone.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this episode, we're answering some of the most common questions people ask Google about public speaking.
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  SPEAKER_01: From handling nerves, structuring messages, what to do with your hands.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's all sorts of questions people ask.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to cover the real stuff that real speakers do to deal with these questions.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Good morning, Dixie.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's lovely to see you today.
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  SPEAKER_00: What a great subject that we're going to be covering today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's so many p questions that people ask about public speaking, or as we call it professional speaking, because we do it on stages, but in the end, it's all speaking in public.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I thought a good opportunity to dig through some of those questions that are really popular according to Google Trends.
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  SPEAKER_01: And see what you think and what I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: And maybe we'll get some answers for people.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the first one, which I thought was fun, was how do I train myself to speak in public?
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  SPEAKER_00: As Nike says, just do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think you really need to make some decisions about what you want to say, get comfortable with your subject, and then practice, practice.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then practice some more.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's so true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like just being able to speak in public, a lot of it comes down to actual confidence.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know, like when I was at school and they say, get up and speak for one minute on this topic, like that absolutely terrified me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't handle it.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of that there's a hangover from that when you become an adult because the standing in front of your peers at school and being able to speak clearly is very difficult for most people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And because of that, people tend to think, oh, well, I can't speak in public.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that's not true.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you write out your bullet points or you write out your speech, depending on how far you want to go, and you might use a PowerPoint to help illustrate things, you can train yourself by going through it multiple times before you do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think the biggest mistake people do is they write a speech and then they get on stage and speak it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they don't know what's coming next.
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  SPEAKER_00: And trying to speak and remembering a speech is really hard, especially if you're already nervous.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whereas if you have two or three topics that you know you can speak about from at a dinner party or general FAQs that you get at any event that you go to, if you are really clear on how you answer those questions, then you know you may have two or three different ways of saying those same words, but you're not going to crucify yourself by thinking, oh, I forgot where I was at in my answer.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: You speak to the subject and you sound more real and more authentic.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then practice those great lines.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Practice those answers to the common questions and then stand up and speak about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think too, deciding that you're going to practice and use places like Rotary or breakfast clubs and small gatherings to just practice being in front of a small group is a good way to start as well, without putting too much pressure on yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, small groups are really good.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's where organizations like Toastmasters really come into the fore, too, because they give you a chance to just do short speeches and get used to actually standing up and speaking about a range of topics.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, as you move into the world of professional speaking, you're speaking for half an hour, 45 minutes, an hour and a half, depending on what the gig is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you do need to train yourself further.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if you're just starting out, absolutely get involved with an organization that helps speakers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't go to one of the big gurus or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Toastmasters is more than enough to get you on your feet and get you going.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from there, yeah, into your small rooms and and so on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just one of those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: So next one, which I think really handles off the top of that one, is why do I struggle to talk in public?
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe because you're not confident and because you haven't practiced enough and you haven't really thought about what it is that you're wanting to say.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so if you are really clear on your topic and what you want the audience to take away from what you're wanting to say, that's going to help with that confidence.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, if you're on a mission and if you feel really passionately about something, then remembering that's what you're there for is going to make a difference to how you feel when you're standing up and doing that.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it really also comes down to where you're speaking in public.
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  SPEAKER_01: So every situation is different.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're speaking at a boardroom at work and you're giving a presentation about a project you're working on, you'll probably find you can do that without any troubles at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if someone said, Can you stand up in front of the whole company and give the same thing, you would perceive it as different, even though it's really the same group of people and all that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So perception is, I think, comes into play here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And once you realize that people are people, and if you're practicing you know your topic, you're going to be fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: There'll always be people in the room who are skeptical.
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  SPEAKER_01: There'll always be people who probably ask a few questions.
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  SPEAKER_01: You shouldn't be surprised by that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You should be prepared for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And once you understand that there'll always be people that don't agree with you, there'll always be people who ask questions, and they're not always bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they just want clarity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then the rest of it is pretty good, I find personally.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So refer to having some purpose, having some perspective, and understanding that you're speaking with people, not aliens.
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  SPEAKER_00: And people maternally kind then exactly.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: So what are some characteristics of a good speaker?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, tall, dark, and handsome.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think the characteristics of a good speaker are that you are understanding of the time constraints, being on stage for the amount of time that you are expected to be on stage, not too long, not going over time, not going too much under time.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, nothing worse than having someone offer you 15 minutes and you take 30 and they've got other people backing up and you throwing the whole program out.
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  SPEAKER_00: But also, if you're given 15 minutes and you only take five, and then you want to do Q ⁇ A's to fill in the extra 10 minutes, that's not a great thing either.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you've got to be mindful of timing.
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  SPEAKER_00: You've got to be mindful of being sure of your topic and having again practiced and having that perspective of why you're there, the purpose, and making sure that you are well presented, verbally presented, ready to speak, not saying the same words over and over.
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  SPEAKER_00: We all have words that often will default to.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not talking about just but repeating words or sounding like you're unprepared and nervous because of the way you deliver the words or the sentences.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not speaking in whole paragraphs, but speaking in sentences, whole sentences also makes you sound more confident, but also makes you feel that you are delivering content and you're not just trying to recite something.
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  SPEAKER_00: So pausing for someone else to get a word in, good time for me to throw that to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: Look, it's one of those things.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's other things as well.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think, as you said, how you present yourself, how you look for your audience.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some people will say, I'm a tech speaker, which I am.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: And lots of people in the technology world wear black t-shirts and jeans on stage.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's not me.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't feel comfortable in that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it probably isn't for the audience that I speak to as well.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: So understanding the expectations of the people you're speaking to and dressing that way, knowing your topic, of course, is always a killer one.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: There's no doubt that also helps.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: Being on time to an event, you know, being there early, meeting people.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: And remember, I think probably the most important thing from my perspective is you've been invited there by the event organizer with all probability.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: And your job is to present that topic for them.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're there to help the people in the room.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is it's not about you.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I like to get this through to speakers so much.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you're the person on stage, but it's actually about the audience.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: You're there to help them, you're there to teach them, you're there to show them something new, to motivate them, whatever it is.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not about you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You will get your clap and all that at the end.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: But remember, it's about helping them succeed.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I think if we think of ourselves as speakers as being a conduit for either the organizer or the person who wants the information conveyed, rather than being the star of the show, we are a conduit.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: We are there to help articulate information that someone else wants to be understood by the people that you're speaking for.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so how do you train yourself to speak clearly?
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I have a really good way of doing this.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I always tell people think about the other person having English as their second language.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: So you slow down automatically.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: So if I'm thinking of you as being perhaps originally from Sweden and I know that you have wonderful English, I'm going to still naturally slow down a little more than I would normally if I'm speaking just to someone that I speak to every day.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you think about the person, someone in the audience is not having English as their first language.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's one good way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then also practicing at not saying the repeat words that you say.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I did an immediate training session with an author the other day, and we picked up on what she had been saying in an interview on the radio.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: And we dissected that.
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  SPEAKER_00: We looked at all of the ways that she had repeated words and said at times when she wasn't confident with what she was saying or needed to get up to speed with a particular answer of a question.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: So we went through the whole process of how do you not say those repeat words?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: How do you slow yourself down so that you are 100% in the moment with every word you say?
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  SPEAKER_00: And there are tricks and techniques for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the easiest ways is to practice saying a set of words, whatever comes to mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like for example, you could say, Dixie, speak on trees for 30 seconds.
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  SPEAKER_00: And throwing me into the deep end of speak about trees for 30 seconds means I'm going to have to stop and think about that.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: And as soon as I say you're going to say, eh, stop, or you're going to hear yourself do it.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: And if you've got a band on your on your wrist, for example, you pin yourself.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: And you just train yourself slowly to start speaking more articulately around what you want to say without repeating those words.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: I know when I was growing up, my mother always used to say, Brad, enunciate your words.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's such a true thing, it's trying to speak clearly so that each word is broken without being robotic about it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Funnily enough, I picked up a few habits from working with voice recognition software.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because when you're working with voice recognition software, especially in the early days, you had to very much slow down and enunciate each word.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now you can speak normally too.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's obviously come a long way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, the ability to slow down your thoughts.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes that comes down to the presentation.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: So when you originally do the presentation, you might say, I've got 10 minutes, but you try and put 15 minutes worth of content in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you've got a race.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when you race, you run your words together and it doesn't sound as good.
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  SPEAKER_01: So practice again allows you to pull out sections or slides, depending on how you do your presentations, to be able to slow down.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you practice it, you get used to speaking at that speed, and it becomes much better because Australians are normally very fast speakers.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: I remember when I went to America first time in '84, I rang from the hotel room down to the concierge and asked for something.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: And the guy's like, I have no idea what you just said.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said, Could you speak more slowly?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I was speaking slowly.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, speed can really affect that.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: So slowing down a little bit and taking a breath and giving people time to think is a good way to help.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: And another tip I think, in terms of the timing, is that if you are aware of how much time you have on stage, because when you're on stage, you will often forget how much time you've already been up there.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: So having someone in the room that can give you the 10 minutes to go, put your heads up, or someone that can hold up a brief sign that says five minutes to wrap, that allows you to then decide how much more you want to say.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you don't start to rush at the end.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you're waiting for someone to give that 10-minute sign uh and you feel like you've already said everything, you still know that you've got that much more space to fill.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: So you can think about that and not stumble yourself over, oh, have we, oh my goodness, we've got a whole 15 minutes to go for Q ⁇ A.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I I've run out of material.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: You don't want to be mad placed.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: You also don't want to suddenly realize you've only got one minute to go and the organizer or the NC is stood up and is waiting in the wings already, and you feel like you've still only got halfway through.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: So having someone give you time pointers so that you're not actually looking at the clock deliberately during the on-stage time.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it makes a lot of difference.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: I recently used a timer on the iPad, and I can't think of what it was called water timer or something, but it was literally like a glass of water, and the water just started going down or going up one or the other.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember now.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: But it was so effective because I could actually see the iPad from across the room because all I had to do was see that water level moving on it, and that was really cool.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so next question, and you're gonna love this one.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Who is the best public speaker in the world?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think people like Barack Obama are very worthwhile looking at and observing their style.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Barack Obama, I think, would be probably one of my favorite professional speakers.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, he had a long time practicing, he was the president, but you compare him and even Ronald Reagan to people like obviously Donald Trump, and I'm just being political for a moment, because they're the people that we see often on stages around the world on news programs.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: You see how clearly they take seriously what they do and then need to get the information across and also be human and be liked.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're exposed to so many great professional speakers at all of the events that we go to and the conferences we attend.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's very hard to pick someone great and say that's the best.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're talking about great politicians as a shining example of brilliant speakers, Barack Obama and probably Ronald Reagan would be right up there with my two all-time favorites.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's interesting because obviously you see people like that speak more than other people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I suppose once they retire, you do see them speaking about general topics, not just political topics.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: For me, I find that there's a whole range of speakers that I really like, but the one that stands out more than anyone is Zig Ziggler.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Now he's passed now.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: But Zig stuff, I actually own the CU at the top CD selection, which was on tape when I first listened to it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I now have that on MP3, and it is one thing that I can listen to over and over again because of his use of story.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: His ability to tell stories and funny stories is just outstanding.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I've seen so many great speakers.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: I suppose it depends on what you're looking for.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: You might say Anthony Robbins is fantastic on stage, but is he a great speaker?
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, he is, but there's no comparison, everybody's so different.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: But in the end, there's always going to be people who you will gravitate to, who you would love to see speak over and over again.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, yeah, this is what Zig Ziglar is one I would recommend to anyone who wants to be a speaker.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to understand how to control a crowd with story, he is brilliant.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think back into the professional speaking industry, and particularly in Australia, Ron Tacky, the late great Ron Tacky, was absolutely extraordinary.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think Terry Hawkins has the ability to wow audiences, make them laugh, make them think she puts on a performance which is absolutely extraordinary to watch if you're a part of an audience.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I've seen her speak a number of times.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even Alan Pease, I saw him again last year speak, and he's probably one of the first professional speakers I ever saw way back in the eighties, and he still has the ability to capture the audience and take them on a journey.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I love the way he does that.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: There are some brilliant people who even just in our own backyard, they're not necessarily politicians, they are well-rehearsed, practiced, award-winning, highly skilled presenters on topic.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it takes a while to get there, but those will be some of my other favorites.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's so many, as I said, so many good speakers, but there's always those one or two that to you personally probably stand out.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, it's always the thing that I suppose I'm worst at, which is storytelling.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: The best speakers are great storytellers.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: And um you'll hear me say that over and over again.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so what have we got now?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this is a good one.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: How to improve my lack of confidence.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think we've already covered that one, isn't it?
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: We won't cover that, really.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: As a speaker, your confidence will grow when you are well practiced, well ready, feeling that you are in the right place and that you know what is expected of you and how to manage the expectations of the people you're speaking for.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: So here we go.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: What are some good public speaking topics?
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is one you always get.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I want to speak publicly, but what should I talk about?
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: My favorite ask to that is that you think about what you get asked most about when you are sitting at a dinner table with strangers or you are in a networking event and people want to know what it is that you do.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: What is it that you're passionate about?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: What lights you up?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: How do you feel when someone says, Tell me more about that?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: How does that work?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: What do you say?
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: What is it that you have that is special or unique or interesting about you?
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think like I like to look at things.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you've got that way of looking at it.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other way is you've got people who say, I'd like to talk about this.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll often look at it from, is it a topic that is come and go?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, say AI, ChatGPT, for example, just changes all the time.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a topic that's going to come and go because we will evolve through it.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: But then we have our evergreen topics.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: And people work in the industry who have been working in an evergreen area and they're still around because of the topic is always valuable.
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  SPEAKER_01: For example, leadership is a great one in that area.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: And leadership, of course, covers a multitude of areas that we can break down.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that I'd like to see people think about longevity as well as just what's a great topic.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: What area can I work in that's going to give me longevity and help me build a business and those sorts of things.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think the danger is that people decide, oh, that speaking thing looks like a good fun thing to do.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'll get into that.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Or I'll come up with a new topic.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Or I'll go from being a speaker on technology to raising flower beds.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I don't know much about it, but I'm interested.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think I could be good at that.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: It looks like an easy topic.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: No, seriously.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Stick to what you know.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: Write what you know, speak what you know, and just get really good at that.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good advice.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think knowing what you know and then turning that into something that's really useful to other people is the key.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you can be an expert in many areas, but there'll be one that you're better at and that people really actually want to know about, or more correctly, need to know about.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: People want to know about lots of things, but need is different.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: So identifying who is your target market.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Where is the lowest hanging fruit for you?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: That pretty well brings me to the ends of the questions.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a few others here, but repeating what we've already been, Street.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: So did you have any that came up in your head while we're having a conversation?
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: The question that I get asked the most is how do I develop my content?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's a good one just to wrap this up on.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: If you know what you want to speak about and you are going to present something, then put some time into developing your content so you take your readers or your audience on a journey.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: You start with the beginning, the middle, the end.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Structure what you're presenting on in a way that flows.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: And to do that, get a mind map out, start writing up on a whiteboard and figure out what is the beginning, the middle, the end.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: What is part one, part two, part three of a topic?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of thinking I'm going to do 10 points on A, B, and C, just go with three main points and flesh those out and get good at that.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Make sure you know your three points really well.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think if to tie it all together, I'd probably say the one comment bean that I've seen coming through our conversation this morning is practice.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: Practice your content, practice for speeches, practice in small rooms, then practice in big rooms.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Just constantly getting better step by step, tidying your presentation up, removing bits that are useless, building in bits that are better when you learn, adding stories again.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: But it's all about that other side, which is the boring bit of speaking because no one ever gets to see it.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: But having to practice is absolutely key to controlling all of your nerves and everything to do with public speaking.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: What a great series of questions.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: That was fun.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 22:19
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• 22:21
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• 22:31
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• 22:41
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• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: We'll catch you next time.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: See you later, Brett.