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Ep. 94: Chuck Carroll’s Health Crisis After 275-Pound Weight Loss · Age Like a Badass Mother

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And now today's episode with Chuck Carroll.
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You know, Chuck Carroll as the host of the Exam Room podcast.
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You probably know his incredible story of weight loss.
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And then he's been battling some health issues.
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We'll talk about that.
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But wait till you hear what he says that he wish he could have told his 26 year old self.
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All right, let's get on with it.
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Oh, I'm Lauren Bernick helping you make the rest of your life the best of your life.
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Welcome to age like a badass mother.
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At one time, his five foot five frame struggled to support the 420 pounds it carried every day with a 66 inch waist and a six XL shirt.
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Chuck's daily diet was a 10,000 calorie fast food feast.
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Chuck is here today to share his story of losing 265 pounds, as well as his current health struggles and wins.
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He hosts the Exam Room podcast for PCR and I'm sure you guys have heard of it.
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It's a fabulous, fabulous, podcast.
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The show has been viewed and downloaded more than 125 million times, and is the number one ranked nutrition podcast in nearly 80 countries.
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Please welcome to the show Chuck Carroll, the weight loss champion.
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Welcome. Thank you. Thank you so much.
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Do I look. Okay?
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I didn't shave.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: 00 shadow.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Do you want to go shave?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, what?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I don't want no, no, no, I'm not.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm doing.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: This. Thing.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm also just worried about the eye.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, I switched glasses.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I usually wear these glasses, and I'm like, did I screw up?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I kind of like these, but I guess.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: No, those are more the ones that you have on now.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, totally more stylish, I dig them.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, they're a little uncomfortable. Yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So I'm just worried about how we look.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that's life isn't vanity.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Thy name is Chuck and Lauren, you know.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah I get it, I get it.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And we're both.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: We're both doing pretty good.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Okay.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So, you know, I'm sorry for anybody who's heard your story before, but there's possibly people who really don't know.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so can you give us the, like, abbreviated version?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, how did you get to 400 pounds, Chuck?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Did you were you, like, a chubby kid?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Did your parents eat unhealthy or what happened?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Was I a chubby kid?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Is the sky blue?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, man, I was I was over 100 pounds by the time I was in the third grade.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I think there was myself and one other person, in my class that was, tipping the scales at three bills already.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was in fifth grade.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was a chubby kid, and I.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Do you remember that?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I know you remember that they used to call out your weight.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Maybe by the time you came around, they didn't do that anymore.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But when I was growing up, the nurse would weigh you and then call out your weight for somebody to write down.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so, like when I was in fifth grade and I was over 100 pounds and all the kids were like, oh my God.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh that's brutal. No.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: We, we had a program where we had, the police come in and they did what they call, I think it was called identikit.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And they gave us like little fake driver's licenses and stuff.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, it's just in case you get lost, you can hand it to somebody.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's got all your particulars on there.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But anyway, height and weight of course are going to go on there.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I remember stepping on the scales and it was like 100 and whatever.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I remember being mortified and like turning to the, officer who was doing the weighing.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, I gotta go on a diet.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that was like third grade.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yes, yes, yes.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh my gosh.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, and, and what. The officer say.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I honestly couldn't remember to, like, saved my life.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I just remember being mortified.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But, yeah, it would be many more years before I actually went on a diet.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then I went on many of them.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But, Yeah, you know, it was just.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Here's the deal.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like single mom, not a lot of money, not a lot of time, lots of trips to the drive thru.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, you know, we had no idea, you know, the detriment that that food would have on our body, whether it be physically getting addicted to it, the way that I did, whatever the case may be.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So we all knew that we were struggling with our weight, made more than anyone else.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, you know what?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It just built up over time.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So you go from being that little chubby kid in the third grade to graduating high school at over 300 pounds, and then eventually getting up to 420 pounds because you're eating is completely out of control, and your day cannot end without a trip to Taco Bell, where you're loading up and one one trip, you know, one meal was like close to 5000 calories.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: What were you like? What was one meal?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: All right, let's see if I can still remember this.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's been a while since I did the weight loss presentation. Right.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It was two seven.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: My burritos, two beef grilled stuffed burritos, a chicken quesadilla, a nacho spell grande de, a cheesy potato burrito, and a caramel empanada.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh, my God.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And there might be.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I may be leaving something out, but that sounds about right.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So yeah, it was like all of that and it was like $20 at the time.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And this was like 16, 17 years ago.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So you figure inflation like I'm dropping like at least 35 bucks per trip through the drive through these days.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Wow. Yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And did you eat that like, oh, on the way home, did you start eating or did you wait till you got home.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And wait. Till I got home.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: There was a ritual. Right.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So you sit down, put the food on the coffee table, you turn on the TV, you put on your fat man comfy pants.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You break out all the fire sauce that they give you, and then you just begin with the seven layer burritos, and you work your way down the line until it's all gone.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then it was like food coma time and, you know, wake up till the morning.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: When, after you finished eating, were you just so stuffed or were you like, used to it?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Where was your stomach like so stretched out that you were like, I feel okay now.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'd say I was pretty well used to it.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, I was full for sure, but, you know, I wasn't in agonizing pain, but it was just one of those things where I couldn't.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I couldn't control myself.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I. I was way out of control.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Not like that.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But, I mean, I've, I've felt like that, and I feel like I ate my share of fast food for sure growing up.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So what was like, the breaking point?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Or, you know, when you were like, okay, I got to do something about this or what triggered that?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So many things.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, going on blood pressure medication when I'm at like freshman in high school, maybe even the eighth grade was constantly sick, got to a point where I couldn't walk very far and like, literally I'm talking just a matter of like ten, 20ft without my chest beginning to feel like it was tightening.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then knowing that, heart disease runs on both sides of my family.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Never met my grandfather on my dad's side because he died, he had had a number of heart attacks before.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: One ultimately claimed his life before I was even born.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: My own father had heart issues on my mom's side.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: My grandfather there was having heart issues.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it's just like, all right, you know, like I'm just on the heart attack superhighway.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I'm still in my 20s.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I felt like, number one, I'm not going to live to see 30 if I don't make some changes.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So that's pretty profound.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But then, like, mentally, I also felt like garbage because it's like, yeah, okay, professionally I'm doing okay.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I got my break on the radio.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, I'm doing like morning radio in a major market, which is wonderful.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm a sidekick on big FM in Washington, DC, which was so appropriate. And, but I had to lean into the big Chuck character.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so whenever they needed something stupid done, you know, let's have Chuck do it, you know.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: How did they call you big Chuck? Oh, yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, they built promotions around it and everything.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, so you need somebody, like, to jump in the freezing Potomac River in the middle of January?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Let's have Chuck do it.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But let's put him in a grass skirt and a coconut bra. It's cool.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like it's radio, like. Let's see.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I saw that on your Instagram.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Big Cupid, like, you name it.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, I just leaned into it, so that's.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And and was it like.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Also, you probably are at the age where you want to date.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Were you able to date or you know.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So I did not have much confidence I had zero game.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I still have zero game.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So it's, it's like do.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You have a gorgeous wife.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well talented. And that's a miracle.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know the fact that I wound up with anybody, let alone her, you know, Julie rocks my world.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So thank you. But, you know, at the time being so large, you know, it's like your self-esteem is not much.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But I did get up the nerve to ask out, a young lady who I had a crush on and, you know, like, she kind of reluctantly agreed because we were vibing, but, like, then she refused to ever let anybody know that we were an item because she was ashamed.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: That's all I could think was that she was ashamed to be with somebody my size.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it was like a whole thing.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so I got tired of being hidden for, you know, a year and a half.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, at the time, though, I honestly thought Lauren like, that was, that was as good as I could get. So.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, I don't think at.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: 25, something like. That. Wow.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: How old are you now?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: 43. 40. Yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: That's so that's really heartbreaking.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So yeah. So all that and then was there.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But what.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But what was the thing that started you on your journey?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, I know all that played into it kind of felt good.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Here's the thing.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's like there's not one thing like it's it's just a culmination of all of it.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so it's just like in my case, I woke up one morning.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It was just like, I can't keep doing this, you know, like I'm either going to die or I'm going to live miserably and still die early.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: What kind of life is that?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I have to make some changes.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So not knowing what to do, having like tried every diet I felt like known to man and then some.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I decided to have weight loss surgery because my father and stepmother at that point had had it. They had had success, you know, at least a short term and then, you know, so so that's what I wound up doing.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And for a very long time, I was kind of the model patient for it, but kind of got disenfranchized, you know, I knew, like, I was a, I was a food addict, and I didn't want to reintroduce any of the garbage that I had been addicted to for so long.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: That got me into a really unhealthy space.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But like going to the support groups, which were mandatory after the procedure and like being around other people would had it and like saying, well, you know, I found that maybe if I just eat a little bit of French fries, I'm okay.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Then people start bringing bags of candy, bottles of sprite and soda and stuff and like the dietitians in the room.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And she's just like, yeah, moderation. Moderation.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I knew daggone good and well that like, you know, you can eat your way, so to speak, out of the surgery.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I also knew based off of previous experience, it's like once I reintroduce those foods into my system, I'm not going to be able to stop again.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so I kind of became disenfranchized.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But when I really branched off and went on my own in terms of like seeking nutrition advice was when my surgeon, you know, told me like I needed to eat a hamburger because I had reached my goal weight.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It was like, you've reached your goal weight, now it's time to eat a hamburger.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Not like could should like, you need to eat this hamburger.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was just like, I really don't think I do.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that was kind of like the last time I was, I was at the surgeon's office.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then, you know, I just I wasn't eating plant based, didn't really know what vegan was at that point.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so I just kind of was eating what I thought to be a healthy diet, which helped me.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yes. Maintain some of the weight loss started creeping up a little bit.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But then when I finally discovered plant based was, I vroom all the baby fat, so to speak, that I had been carrying for so long just kind of melted away.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I got all the way down to 140, stayed there for many, many, many years and was super healthy.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So it was just that culmination of a whole lot of stuff.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then just like, I can't, I can't take it anymore.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So it wasn't one thing.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: What, how much weight did you lose initially just after the weight loss surgery?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then how long was it until you found plant based eating?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So that point.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, initially I got down to about 155.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So that would have been if I do the math here to to 265 pounds and then like, 15 more pounds of stubborn fat that was hanging on, fell off after I went plant based.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then, like all of my other numbers fell into place too, which was awesome.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So that was like a year and a half to lose the weight initially.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then there was like, golly, like a good seven, eight year gap between then and when I went plant based.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: How did you find out about plant based eating?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was hosting a sports radio show, with a Washington Commanders player.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Here in town.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, we were invited to do a PSA about eating healthy for this group called the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Neither one of us had ever heard of them before, and neither one of us knew what vegan meant.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Neither one of us, had any idea what a plant based diet was, but we both like the idea of eating healthy.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So we agreed to do it.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that was my introduction.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then a couple of more years passed after that.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was then working as a news reporter.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Got tired of you know, reporting on death and destruction every day. And, was interviewing an athlete, a former professional wrestler was still a professional wrestler, guy by the name of Austin Aries, who was in WWE at the time, one of their champions.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And he had written this awesome book called, My Plant Powered Journey from the bingo halls to the big time.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And this is a guy who grew up in Wisconsin around, you know, beer and sausage and dairy and, you know, cheese.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, big time cheesehead. And, and he was like, yeah, man, you know, you should really consider doing this plant based thing.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And he was like, you know, go watch what the health.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, you know, give me the typical list of documentaries and books to read.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, the day after I watched What the Health, I went, vegan and, and have not looked back.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, what the health is.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was already doing my plant based journey, and I made my husband go see it in the theater with me, and he was still eating just whatever he wanted and that.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And he became, I would say, mostly vegetarian.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: He still sneaks a little here and there.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Some fish or something.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But. Yeah. What the health was a good one.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Are you the kind of person who, when you saw what the health you just went in 100%, or did you dabble or did it take you a little time?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh, I'm all or none guy.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I didn't know what a healthy vegan diet looked like, but I definitely went vegan overnight.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So, you know, a lot of gardening stuff up front.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, but I was already eating an abundance of, you know, fresh fruits and vegetables.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Really what that helped me with was eliminating dairy, which was still a big thing.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was still eating a lot of fish and chicken.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Not so much cheese because cheese, you know, had a lot of fat and salt in it that I wasn't necessarily interested in.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, so I'm still eating you know, pretty healthy.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: No fried foods, anything like that.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But this this really got me over the hump, you know?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So. Yeah, but definitely overnight.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: What?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, I, I did too, and I always say, like, I really think that that's the I know that I want people to do what they have to do and do it how they need to do it.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But I think the easiest way is just to go all in because let's your palate change.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It gives you a chance to see results.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It, you know, and if you keep kind of just dipping your toe, you're not you're not really getting the chance to, to do it to, to change your palate.
17:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Right.
17:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I agree.
17:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, and and you know, to the fact that I think a lot of the foods that would be cut out if you're going to that whole food plant based diet because they're so addictive like that, terrifies people.
17:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But it's it's like trying to, you know, quit smoking by tapering off.
18:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Right?
18:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I agree with you.
18:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like if you just go cold turkey.
18:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. Those first couple of weeks, they can be rough.
18:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I don't want to sugarcoat that.
18:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like they they sucked for me.
18:08
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Because, like, my, my microbiome was changing.
18:11
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was having, like, terrible bloating.
18:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, you know, I did it the.
18:14
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Wrong. Way, you know, come to find out. But, but, yeah, definitely just, like, get that garbage out of your system.
18:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then, you know, once you come to that realization also that there are healthy recipes that can replicate, you know, your pizza and your burritos and things that you've loved, like we're talking about, like low fat, whole food plant based recipes that taste delicious.
18:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And you can eat that and still have you know, a great deal of satisfaction from it.
18:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like is is game on.
18:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So suddenly this ultra restrictive diet isn't restrictive at all.
18:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, you're eating the same stuff, you're just eating healthier versions of it.
18:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, that's kind of what I love so much about eating this way.
18:53
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like I always say this, I would never in my former life have eaten macaroni and cheese like that.
19:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I would be like, that's kid food that'll make me fat.
19:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I love macaroni cheese.
19:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I eat it all the time now, you know, it's a whole grain pasta with, you know, nutritional yeast and chickpeas.
19:12
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Whatever I put in my Vitamix to make it like that, and it's.
19:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And broccoli in the water, and, you know, it's so damn good.
19:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I can eat it without any guilt.
19:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Mac and cheese with broccoli.
19:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You tell that to anybody who isn't eating a whole food plant based diet.
19:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Not going to be like that.
19:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Sounds like garbage.
19:28
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But to me, you're, like making my mouth water right now.
19:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like I'm all. I'm all for it. Like, it's so good.
19:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's so good. It's so good.
19:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So. All right, so you're going along.
19:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Everything's well.
19:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You got your job with the exam room with Doctor Barnard doing this great podcast.
19:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Your life's going to like, you got a fabulous wife.
19:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then what?
19:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What happened?
19:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You started having some health problems.
19:52
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What, like when did this first pop up and.
19:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And what was happening?
19:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Health problems.
19:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Hellboy. Oh, boy. Just, just.
20:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, once I know.
20:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, man, I. Know you've really been through the wringer.
20:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: As a matter of fact.
20:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, I know you just got out of the hospital.
20:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You just had surgery.
20:08
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so I really appreciate you being here on this cool.
20:11
You are. Gorgeous. 5: No place I'd rather be.
20:12
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Lawn.
20:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Okay.
20:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I just I just wanted to see your reaction.
20:17
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I just wanted to see your reaction. I'm totally buzzing.
20:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Whether you like it school.
20:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, I love doing that.
20:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, I love getting the opportunity, honestly, to share my story because what I have discovered in these three years, and I'll tell you all about that, it is that there are so many people out there who are suffering with these, like mysterious symptoms that have doctors baffled because all of the tests come back normal and they still feel like garbage.
20:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so there's so many of these complex really under appreciated, not under appreciated, but like misunderstood cases, like impossible to diagnose.
20:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I want to be able to bring a little bit of hope to those people, because there were many days over the course of the last three years where I didn't know if I would ever get back to this point again.
20:58
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And right now, like, I'm pretty, I'm pretty darn close to feeling like I used to and like I, I'm so profoundly grateful to be in this position, to be able to share the story and, and just offer that that little bit of inspiration to somebody who's just clinging on to any shred of hope that they can possibly find.
21:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Let me be that lifeline for the time being.
21:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So I, from the bottom of my heart, really appreciate you giving me this opportunity.
21:25
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. And I appreciate you doing it.
21:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And yeah, I always try to really have that person on the who's watching this in mind, you know, and try to give them what they need. So.
21:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So what so what happened what what were like the signs and the little journey.
21:42
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Little bit of like.
21:43
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Gradual ramping up to to all kinds of chaos and help.
21:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But it began when, my mom got super sick and was in the hospital, like, we didn't know she was going to make it.
21:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then, like shortly after I was able to return home, she she turned out okay.
22:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But shortly after, you know, I returned home.
22:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It was like I started to feel super, super, super bloated, like, really bloated.
22:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And and the pain that I was feeling was like it didn't matter what I ate, when I ate what I had to drink.
22:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like it didn't matter.
22:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like the bloating was persistent.
22:18
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it reminded me of these women who I had interviewed on the show who had suffered mightily from endometriosis.
22:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Now, did I think for a second I had endometriosis?
22:29
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Absolutely not.
22:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Just ignored.
22:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Tucker, we have to talk.
22:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You want to talk about a complex case?
22:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
22:34
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So yeah, it was not endometriosis surprise.
22:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It was me. Okay.
22:40
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But it was like.
22:42
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I used a lot of the tips and tricks, that they talked about for dealing with the bloating.
22:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was like, leaning over the back of a sofa or the back of a chair, or using an abdominal binder.
22:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And just like wrapping yourself as tightly as possible just to put some pressure on the abdomen to, like, try to keep that bloating at bay.
23:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But like, nothing was really working.
23:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Nothing was really, you know, despite going to the gastroenterologist, he's baffled.
23:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: We did some endoscopies, you know, colonoscopies.
23:12
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Everything's coming back. Normal, normal, normal.
23:14
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Little did I know that that was going to be the beginning of a whole bunch of, like, more questions than answers.
23:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Graduate.
23:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, so it's getting worse and worse, but I still make this trip.
23:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I had a two city speaking engagement.
23:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: First in Oklahoma. Oh. I'm sorry.
23:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Where was I going?
23:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Nebraska.
23:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Omaha is going to Omaha.
23:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then was going to L.A..
23:37
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well, when I landed in Omaha, I started to feel like I couldn't breathe, like really scary shortness of breath.
23:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that got worse whenever I would eat or drink anything.
23:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So I kind of, like, stopped eating, stopped drinking, you know, even something is is mundane, is a cup of water would start to set me off.
23:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so like, that was scary.
23:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But I'm a soldier, so I try to like, press on and go to LA.
24:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well, when I got to LA, it was like my chest exploded and I was on fire and, like, not just like typical heartburn.
24:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, like, this kind of radiated throughout my chest and in my lung area.
24:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What I didn't realize at the time was that we actually had stomach acid.
24:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Not to get gross, but I'm just letting you know what?
24:25
You are. Gorgeous. 5: How gross. Let's do. It.
24:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Come up through the esophagus, back down my windpipe, and was going into my lungs.
24:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that was what was causing that same burning sensation.
24:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So, I didn't know if I was going to be able to, like, make it home.
24:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I didn't know what was going to happen.
24:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm kind of freaking out at this point.
24:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's like my world is kind of turning upside down.
24:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I go to kind of a hole in the wall clinic.
24:53
You are. Gorgeous. 5: They take an X-ray and the guy's like, well, you know, it looks like a hernia right here is kind of pushing through.
25:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I sent that over to I was connected to, like, the hernia doctor and like, God bless, you know, connections.
25:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And having interviewed, like, a gazillion doctors, it's a small world once you get in it.
25:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So, I'm very grateful, you know, that a friend was able to put me in contact with with this guy, but he didn't see a hernia.
25:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So I was like, okay, well, I'm going to I'm going to take that off the table.
25:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But then, my friend Doctor Christy Funk also got me set up with some of her incredible, doctor friends there who did deeper scans and literally every single thing that we did that day.
25:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: We're talking like hours of scans and tests in the hospital.
25:40
You are. Gorgeous. 5: More testing later on.
25:42
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Diagnostic testing at a at another, facility that had better imaging later that day.
25:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And everything is coming up normal, and I'm freaking out because the initial guy told me is like, if I'm you, I wouldn't fly home because we don't know how this hernia is going to kind of react.
25:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, oh shit, you know, excuse my language.
26:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, you could say, you could say whatever you want.
26:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: All right.
26:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well, yeah.
26:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Guys, in the name of the show.
26:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Okay. All right. So anyway, I'm kind of like freaking out, but it's like, I'm also like, well, I don't know how I'm going to make it back.
26:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm like, looking at renting cars.
26:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm looking at taking the train, and I'm just like, all of that's going to take days.
26:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I just got to, like, roll the dice and get home.
26:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So it's like, and I can't sleep.
26:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So it's like midnight and I'm changing my flight to the first flight out the next morning and I fly home.
26:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I make it there and I'm just like in tears as soon as I walk through the door because I don't know what's happening.
26:37
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Go back to the gastroenterologist.
26:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He maxes me out on acid suppressing medication, and that helps short term.
26:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But then like a couple of weeks later, boom, everything comes back again.
26:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But I'm still trying to press on.
26:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Go to Texas, for an event, come back from Texas.
26:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And this is when I really started to hit the fan.
27:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm sitting there.
27:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, shit.
27:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Hit the fan. There you go. You can say.
27:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And there you go.
27:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm sitting eating my breakfast one morning, and it was like, all of the sudden I felt stoned.
27:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I'm talking like the kind of stoned I was back in high school, you know, you know, cutting class, doing what I did back in the day.
27:18
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Anyway, But I wasn't imbibing in that.
27:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I hadn't done that in a very, very long time.
27:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, what is going on?
27:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then it went away, and then it would come back, and then it went away, and then it would come back.
27:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And like, this is getting really concerning to me.
27:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then eventually any time I would eat or drink anything in the morning, those feelings would come. Back and they would stay all day.
27:42
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it was like an out of body experience.
27:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And the anxiety that comes with that was through the roof.
27:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It was like, what is going on?
27:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, go to the E.R.
27:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: for this one, you know, and again, the tests are all normal, you know, what does the doctor tell me to do?
27:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Take some Dramamine and eat salmon?
28:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Swear to God.
28:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. Take Dramamine and eat salmon.
28:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What was the point of the salmon?
28:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: They were thinking I was low on omegas, you know.
28:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. So.
28:12
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Okay. Anyway, I believe that I get.
28:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I get tired of my gastroenterologist not having answers, and then, like, stopped returning my phone call.
28:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So. Yeah, shout out to this guy.
28:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
28:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, because.
28:28
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He didn't know what to do.
28:29
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, you know, you put.
28:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Can. I'm just going. To get ready.
28:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Just go.
28:34
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You put the name.
28:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Advanced in your clinical practice, we expect you to be advanced.
28:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: The only thing this guy knew how to do was a colonoscopy and an endoscopy.
28:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Anything that you know, he couldn't diagnose off of that was not going to be able to handle it.
28:52
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So you should have been called very basic basically.
28:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. Right.
28:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, like any other doctor, you know.
28:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: This is so.
29:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's so incredibly frustrating.
29:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I can't imagine how you were feeling because you have all these symptoms.
29:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, it's not right.
29:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You're starting to have trouble functioning.
29:12
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You're scared, you're overweight and trying to get answers and you can't get answers.
29:17
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it's so sad, like you're.
29:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Telling me. My name.
29:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then what happened? Like, how long did this go?
29:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: This went on for what, three.
29:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Months. Months and months?
29:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. Yeah.
29:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So then I make the decision to go, to, George Washington University Hospital.
29:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: See my old gastric, bypass surgeon, and it turns out he had retired.
29:40
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So I go see this other doctor who had taken over, and, we were on some test. Shocker.
29:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: The majority of them are coming back normal.
29:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: The only thing that we saw on the scan was, again, a small hiatal hernia.
29:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then, some sort of what they call, biliary dyskinesia.
29:58
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like my gallbladder.
29:58
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What's that acting? Right.
30:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Basically it was emptying slow, so, like, maybe there's, like, some sludge and some gook in there.
30:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that's causing some issues.
30:08
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So not knowing what else to do and everything else having turned out normal, I once again raised the idea of the hiatal hernia.
30:17
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And he was like, I don't want to hear any more about that, you know?
30:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Can I.
30:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Just ask, what's the difference between, like, a hernia and a hiatal hernia?
30:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So there's a gazillion different types of hernias.
30:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: A hiatal hernia is one that actually like where your diaphragm kind of fails and like the muscle kind of opens up and that allows your stomach then to rise through the diaphragm and go into your chest cavity and, you know, put some pressure on everything that's in there, including your lungs, which ultimately explained why I felt like I couldn't breathe.
30:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's also very close to a lot of nerves that are there, including the vagus nerve, which by for spoiler alert, things may have been irritated and was causing the neurologic symptoms.
31:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Okay.
31:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So this doctor was adamant that he didn't want to hear any more about the hiatal hernia.
31:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like was was stern about it.
31:08
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like I was a child getting a talking to.
31:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was like, oh, it's like, all right, whatever, dude.
31:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But he takes out the gallbladder and, because we didn't know what else to do, you know?
31:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And like, I'm talking to my people in the background and they're like, yeah, dude, this is this is where we're at.
31:25
You are. Gorgeous. 5: If you were my patient, I would take it to the hospital myself was like, cool, all right, with your blessing, let's do it.
31:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That only made my symptoms worse, to be honest with you.
31:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that began a point where I felt so bad that, like, any time I would eat or drink anything again, literally water would send me, like into orbit.
31:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I, stopped eating for like six months and got all the way down to like 114 pounds, like straight, emaciated.
31:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Mind you, I still like I don't have my extra skin cut off from having lost all that weight initially, so I've got like a lot of droopy skin that I think at one time was estimated like 15 or 20 pounds worth.
32:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Right?
32:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's just conveniently tucked and so like you look at that 114, you take, you know, even the 15 pounds off of that, like I'm under 100 pounds, I'm 55.
32:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I know I'm a small guy, but like, I should not be under 100 pounds.
32:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, that's that's asinine.
32:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Remember we began this conversation talking about the last time I was under 100 pounds was in the third grade.
32:29
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Right.
32:29
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Because that that identikit program was later in the year.
32:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm sure that that book It free pizza program put me over 100.
32:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But but anyway. Anyway.
32:37
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So like, I'm freaking out and, I, I go to Johns Hopkins and I ask the doctor there like the gastroenterologist, and I was like, so excited to go.
32:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was like, we're going to go see the Wizards at Johns Hopkins.
32:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: They're going to get me all fixed up.
32:53
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Go! They're number one.
32:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Had to wait forever to get this appointment.
32:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Number two, you know, having the conversation with the doctor, the doctor's puzzled.
33:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Shocker, because all the tests were normal.
33:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And and I remember asking her like, I was like, am I dying?
33:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Because I literally thought that that is what was happening to me at that point.
33:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And she's like, I don't know, again, just like cold.
33:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, oh, okay, we're there.
33:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: All right. So that was a rough one.
33:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was, with my cousin at that point, and he had taken me up there because I'm feeling like I'm not really in a good space to drive.
33:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I wasn't comfortable driving given the symptoms that I was having.
33:34
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, I remember my wife was on speaker phone at that point and, you know, she was like, well, that's not very comforting.
33:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, no, it's not.
33:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Jules, thank you for stating the obvious.
33:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And and it was not.
33:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that was the one and only time I ever saw that doctor.
33:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so I wrote, just kind of out of desperation one night, Doctor Brian Carlson, who, works as an incredible surgeon at, the Mayo Clinic.
34:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Phenomenal, type one diabetic success story on a plant based diet.
34:08
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Wonderful guy.
34:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I wrote him, and I was like, look, dude, here's the situation.
34:14
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's growing dimmer.
34:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I gotta go see, like, your people up there.
34:18
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Can you help me out?
34:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And he did, but he he began that email.
34:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He was like, wow, you know, I'm happy to help you out, but please know, in some cases there are no answers.
34:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, oh shit.
34:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, again, that's three.
34:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was like three since that.
34:37
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That's that's like.
34:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Not. Great news.
34:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But I was like, I don't, I don't care, like, let's go because we have to keep searching for answers.
34:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it even took the teams there.
34:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I love the Mayo Clinic.
34:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, this is world class health care.
34:52
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It has the reputation that it does for a very good reason.
34:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I wish everyone could could experience this once in their life at least, you know, God forbid you ever need to go there.
35:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But man, this is the place to go.
35:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And and they were so caring and compassionate and optimistic and hopeful.
35:14
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And we're using all of these positive terms while never guaranteeing, you know, a great outcome.
35:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But just.
35:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: To finally have an ally, somebody who's on your side, who gets invested in your case and cares about you genuinely.
35:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like I was it.
35:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I have made all the difference in the world.
35:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like even though those first few times I was there and they were just running test after test after test, which kept coming back normal.
35:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Normal, normal. You know, they were still.
35:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So optimistic.
35:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And didn't discount you.
35:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It sounds because there's also that thing that has to be going through your mind that the doctors are kind of leading the way of like, this guy's a hypochondriac or it's all in his mind or, you know, that has to be is.
36:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so just to have them believe you, to have them be a comfort to you, that's a big deal.
36:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It is.
36:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I never once felt like they thought that I was some sort of hypochondriac or faking it or whatever, like that.
36:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That was not the case.
36:18
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And they even have, you know, like programs that they put me through that were holistic, that taught, like breathing practices, diaphragmatic breathing to, you know, calm the anxiety, especially when you were short of breath and like that, you know, feeling like you can't breathe.
36:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I don't care who you are.
36:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That's a that's a pretty alarming feeling.
36:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So like being able to deal with that and, you know, them taking, a very close look at, you know, another doctor who thought that, I had had fibromyalgia and, you know, they confirm that diagnosis, but now they're not so sure.
36:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But anyway, it was it was just like they looked at everything, you know, even sending me to a chiropractor.
36:51
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it was just like everybody got invested in my case, I guess, because it was like such a rare thing, I don't know, like, everybody was like gung ho for it.
37:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, oh, okay, man.
37:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Even the chiropractor, like, wants me to succeed.
37:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, sent me a letter, and it's like.
37:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I just wanted you to know I'm leaving the Mayo Clinic.
37:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But I'm going to practice, at Duke University.
37:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so, you know, North Carolina is not too far from where you're at.
37:14
You are. Gorgeous. 5: If you ever need anything, just let me know. I was like.
37:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Thank you.
37:17
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
37:17
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Anyway, these are good people, right?
37:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Anyway, come to find out.
37:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Scan after scan after scan, what pops up again?
37:25
You are. Gorgeous. 5: The hiatal hernia that got dismissed back.
37:28
You are. Gorgeous. 5: From the very first little walk in clinic, right?
37:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yep yep yep yep.
37:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yep yep yep yep yep.
37:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So this gets diagnosed.
37:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then my, amazing gastroenterologist doctor Iris Wong was also smart enough to be like, hey, I wonder if something's wonky with your, with your gastric bypass surgery.
37:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Why don't you go see?
37:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Why don't you go see doctor?
37:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh. Mark on him.
37:52
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He's, He's, you know, gastric bypass surgery, specialist.
37:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, maybe we can talk about reversing that.
37:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So go over and see.
38:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Got him, got him. So.
38:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh. This is a case right here.
38:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I see you're telling me.
38:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Try living with it for three years. Right.
38:08
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So we make up the the game plan to, go on a feeding tube and put that into the portion of my stomach that have been stapled off and basically have been dormant now since I got that surgery in 2009.
38:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So coming up, this will be what, 17 years this year?
38:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And this is the surgery that you just had.
38:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Correct? Right.
38:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So mind you, like I just fast forwarded like two and a half, three years in a nutshell.
38:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I went to Mayo Clinic many, many, many times before we got to this point.
38:34
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So here's here's what they did right.
38:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Imagine this is a normal stomach because you're fast, right?
38:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: When they do the gastric bypass, they staple off a portion of the stomach right here.
38:43
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then this little part here, the thumb kind of becomes the portion of your stomach that remains in use.
38:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then this bigger portion kind of, you know, stays there and doesn't do much ever again.
38:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So for those who are only listening, he's making a fist with his fingers curled in.
39:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And the only part, you know is they staple everything off except for the little thumb at the end. Exactly.
39:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So that's the only part of your stomach that's left?
39:11
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
39:11
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So think about giving a thumbs up and then just kind of turning it sideways, turning your hand sideways.
39:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So what the feeding tube.
39:17
You are. Gorgeous. 5: They actually inserted it like right into the stapled off portion of the stomach that's been dormant all of this time.
39:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so the thought there was, well, if we, you know, do the best that we can restoring him to quote normal anatomy and those symptoms go away, then we can go in and reverse the weight loss surgery, fix the hernia, and then obviously take out the feeding tube at the same time.
39:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So you're on a feeding tube right now?
39:43
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I am, yeah.
39:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Does that mean that you're not eating anything else.
39:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That is. Your only nutrition.
39:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And this is well.
39:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You've got it right there. I'm gonna.
39:51
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Say, like I don't see. It on my camera, but if you take it.
39:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: No, I don't see. Oh, now I see it.
39:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's like on an IV pole.
39:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, exactly.
39:58
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So I do walk around.
39:58
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm tethered to this thing, and.
40:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And you have a special.
40:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You're not just using like the hospital nutrition that they would give you.
40:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You're you're using a special plant based one.
40:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Right. Kate farms my friend. Yeah.
40:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: They would they got all excited when I asked, for Kate Farms in the hospital.
40:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: They were like, oh, my God.
40:14
You are. Gorgeous. 5: A patient node's feeding tube formula.
40:14
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was like, yes, I do.
40:17
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I got my research.
40:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so, yeah, this is, plant based.
40:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's actually, I believe if story goes, it's, husband and wife had a daughter who was critically ill, needed a feeding tube.
40:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Couldn't tolerate the, products that were currently on the market because of, like, I want to say it was like a dairy issue or something.
40:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So they developed a plant based formula and then took it to market as Kate Farms.
40:43
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Kate being the child and boom, there you go.
40:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So they've got feeding tube formula and they've also got nutrition, shakes for people who are just looking to do meal replacement, which are actually quite tasty.
40:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: They sent some to a PCR, a number of years ago, and those things went like hotcakes in the kitchen.
41:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, yeah.
41:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That's good to know.
41:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But yeah, they're good people.
41:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I hope nobody needs it.
41:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But if you do. Kate. I'm sorry.
41:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm sorry I never thought that I would need it, but here we are.
41:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But anyway. So, got them and Doctor Wong, I mean, they were spot on.
41:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Because here we are now, almost a month removed from, that surgery.
41:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I have not felt this good in a very, very, very long time.
41:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I would say like 98 and 99% of my GI symptoms are gone.
41:29
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then the neurologic symptoms, I say it's like 85, 90% gone or maybe even a little bit more than that.
41:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So I'm, I'm kind of I'm, I wouldn't say like being tethered to a feeding tube means I'm living my best life, but I'm living my best life for the last three years, that's for damn sure.
41:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Dang. And so.
41:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Okay.
41:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so is the bottom line that your surgery was.
41:53
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It was a hiatal hernia mixed with what, a.
41:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Walkie talkie surgery? Yeah.
41:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So one of the other things that I discovered, from, the one doctor at GW hospital back here in the DC area, the one who was curt with me.
42:08
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He said that my original surgeon who did the gastric bypass had the reputation of being a butcher, and I was like, oh, that's good to know.
42:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so, yeah, when they were in there exploring, what they call that new stomach, the doctor's calling a pouch.
42:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: When they were in there and looking around, they were like, yeah, there's a lot of scar tissue.
42:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And here, you know, and this is actually a lot bigger than most pouches are and, you know, blah, blah, blah.
42:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, oh, all right.
42:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So it's a little bit wonky.
42:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I still don't understand completely how that would contribute to what's been going on, but I'm all for having it reversed.
42:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, because if that means I'm going to feel better, then that's what we're going to do and a story.
42:53
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so.
42:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Are you.
42:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Nervous about gaining weight?
42:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was no, I mean, because my metabolism went so wonky when I, got, you know, sick and went all the way down to 114 and then, like, started eating, you know, a normal diet for me again.
43:11
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Immediately.
43:12
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So it went from, you know, maybe 200 calories a day to close to 2000 again.
43:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it was just like my metabolism was not ready for that.
43:18
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so it kind of, you know, went Monte and, obviously I put on.
43:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, a few pounds over the last year.
43:25
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But since I've had this, it's like, like 20 pounds has already come back off.
43:29
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So like, my face is thinning out, the inflammation, I felt like, just like, washed out of my body pretty rapidly.
43:37
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so I'm grateful for that.
43:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I think that because I will return to eating that whole food plant based diet.
43:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So I'm not I'm not worried about.
43:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, gaining weight and I'm, I'm working with my friend maximum.
43:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So going for maybe wellness.
43:51
You are. Gorgeous. 5: On what he calls reverse dieting and like, muscle tone and, you know, all kinds of things.
43:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So we're going to build version 3.0.
43:58
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But I'm not worried about you know, being in the running to play Santa Claus next.
44:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
44:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: No, I think you're going to be fine.
44:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I I'm so grateful, as I know that you are to for you to be getting to the bottom of this, because I know anyone who's followed this journey just felt horrible for you to to be going through this.
44:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I do appreciate that, you know, you're trying to give hope to people who are getting diagnosed with nothing when they feel something.
44:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, it's the worst. It's it's sucks.
44:34
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And there are so many people out there and it's like it, it just it brings a sense of comfort to know that you're not the only person struggling, but at the same time, it's like one of the things I was guilty of was reading Reddit forums, you know, like people who are suffering from one thing or another and like, they're just at their wit's end and their doctors are baffled and like, they're begging and begging and begging for, you know, a good outcome for just one of those stories that maybe then they can use as the blueprint for their own healing.
45:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, and I want to be that blueprint because right now it is largely void of success stories.
45:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I want to be that story for other people.
45:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I want them to know that they, you know, never give up, you know, just to keep on going.
45:17
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, it's it's like my granddaddy said to me back in the day is like, if you want to get through hell, you have to keep going.
45:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, you can't turn back.
45:25
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You have to keep going forward.
45:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And and so even though it's a very long and dark road, you just have to keep pushing.
45:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You just have to keep pushing.
45:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I, I yeah.
45:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I wish you good success with that is there before we move on, is there anything else you want to say about it?
45:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, it's, you know, the one thing I keep thinking about is, you, you know, your tagline is the weight loss champion.
45:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I know that it's had to be so difficult to, you know, go through what you're going through in the public and to gain a little weight and for people to judge you and it's just so shitty.
46:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's so shitty that you people feel judged.
46:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But like, what can you talk about the mental part of that?
46:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, it's the pressure. And yeah, that that sucks.
46:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So it's like I, I started getting those messages early last year.
46:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, you know, the incorrect assumption that so many people jump to was that, you know, I had fallen off of the food wagon because at that point, like, I had not talked publicly about what I had been going through at that point for two years.
46:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Right.
46:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But what I found funny was like, nobody said anything to me when I was super, super, super skinny looking straight, anorexic.
46:52
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But as soon as I started to put weight on, like people were like, oh man, it looks like you're really struggling.
46:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, I was a food addict to, you know, hit me up at any time.
47:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well intentioned.
47:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Right.
47:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But like, there was one person in particular who kept messaging me over and over and over again out of concern, and it was just like one day I just, like, kind of snapped and I was like, you don't know the story.
47:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You're assuming that I'm going to McDonald's.
47:18
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You're assuming that I'm going to Taco Bell, but you're assuming incorrectly 100%.
47:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, you don't know the story.
47:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And like, who are you to even bring that up?
47:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You say that this is something that you struggled with.
47:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well, think about how it was for you back in the day when people would like fat shame you, right? Did it make you feel great?
47:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: No. Well, what are you doing right now? Or.
47:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, and and and so like, it wasn't like, hey, fatty, fatty fat fat, you know, it's just like.
47:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I notice you're back at McDonald's. I was like, God darn it.
47:51
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
47:52
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm not back at McDonald's man. And and there were so many people who assume that, that, that it was heartbreaking.
47:58
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then eventually, you know, you know, people were like, well, should you really call yourself the weight loss champion anymore?
48:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, optics.
48:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I'm just like.
48:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So we're there.
48:11
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So, temporarily, and reluctantly, I relinquished that title.
48:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But make no mistake about it, you boys claiming, comfort food and I'll get you stuffed.
48:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm not worried about it.
48:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm already 20 pounds on my way.
48:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I. And you know, I'm sorry to bring it up because I know it is a sore spot, but I feel like it's so.
48:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's such a part of what I like to talk about is how we shame other people, how we're, you know, what is that?
48:43
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What's the word? Shots in France?
48:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That's not the right word, but where you.
48:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Have you ever heard of that?
48:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That's definitely not a word.
48:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's something like that.
48:51
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's some kind of scary German word where it's like you're happy when somebody is miserable or going through something bad.
48:58
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Is that a Freud thing?
48:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Is that like, shitting Freud?
49:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I don't know, maybe it's a shit.
49:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I hey, why did I bring that up?
49:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I don't know what the hell.
49:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I have no idea what it means.
49:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like you're getting joy out of watching somebody go through something. So, Yeah, it's a it's a terrible word, but, you know, it just reminds you, like, you're out there trying to bring information to people to make their lives better, to help them.
49:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You're putting yourself out there, and it's hard.
49:29
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. I never want to forget that.
49:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm grateful every day to to be able to talk to the public.
49:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
49:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: There are aspects that are hard, like, I struggle to get my LDL cholesterol where it should be, you know, and that and, and I share openly with it.
49:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But yeah, there are people who are downright crappy to me all the time about it and have things to say.
49:51
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And my intention and your intention is to help people and to be vulnerable and so when people bring up things like that, I guess I just want to remind everybody to be loving and kind, because you don't know what other people are going through and not to make a assumptions.
50:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, you know, I thought it was important to bring that up, even though I'm sorry, I, I, you know, I don't want to have to bring pain to you, but I think it's important to remind people you don't know what's going on with somebody and, you know, always assume the best.
50:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But here's the. Thing.
50:25
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, I also assume that somebody who does throw barbs, even though they, they like, royally pissed me off.
50:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You got to figure that there's something miserable going on in that person's life to to be just, like, taking it out on some random person.
50:40
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That they don't know.
50:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And and it's just like, okay, I don't know what you're going through right now.
50:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You've pissed me off.
50:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But in my heart of hearts, I hope that your day gets a little bit better.
50:51
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. Right now, pound sand.
50:52
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But I still got some empathy for you.
50:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that's just kind of the way that I look at it.
50:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: At least the more, you know, malicious ones, the the initial person that just, like, kept poking and poking and poking and coming from like, what they thought was a good place, I got it.
51:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But, you know, like, the more cruel ones are the ones that I don't, you know, I don't particularly care.
51:12
You are. Gorgeous. 5: For, you know, need to respond to. Yeah.
51:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So is there anything else before we move on that you want to say about this situation?
51:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Never give up, man.
51:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And thank you to everybody who has been so supportive of me.
51:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: For every one Yahoo that's out there that posted, you know, venom, there have been a thousand nice messages that have come through, all of which are positive.
51:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And the way that people have also reached out to me pouring, pouring their own heart out, you know, has really been, eye opening to me how much, you know, we're all kind of suffering in one way or another, or it's somebody close to them and, you know, just them feeling vulnerable enough to to express that to me like that.
51:58
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That meant the world. So, if anything like, despite the fact that we, we kind of started this in a little bit of a negative light, at least getting to this point, going public with this, it's kind of restored my faith in humanity in a lot of ways.
52:11
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, there are far, far, far more good people out there than, than villains.
52:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So, yeah, I'm you are definitely beloved.
52:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that's earned.
52:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That's earned from all your years of helping people and and goodwill and all you've done.
52:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So you're, you know, you're 43, what this is like about us, mother.
52:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So let's talk about aging a little.
52:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: To what?
52:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What do you love about being 43?
52:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And what do you wish you could go back and tell your 20 year old self.
52:43
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh, boy.
52:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That conversation with a 20 year old, that would be a deep one.
52:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, number one, it's like I don't regret having gastric bypass because that's all I knew at the time.
52:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But I would love to impart a lot of what I know now to the 26 year old version of me who was getting ready to go through with it.
53:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I literally had that procedure done just a couple of days after my 27th birthday.
53:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so I just, I wish that maybe I could have had one more, try at doing things, a more natural way as opposed to, the gastric bypass.
53:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But, you know, here we are.
53:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, and every opportunity, has presented itself for me to help other people who are struggling.
53:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So I'm looking at this is, is, you know, a blessing rather than a curse. And.
53:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, like, that's that's a, that's a choice that you have to make.
53:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like happiness I do believe is a choice.
53:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm choosing that because it'd be so easy to go dark and cynical.
53:42
You are. Gorgeous. 5: All the time. And so, what am I looking forward to about being 43?
53:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Is actually feeling what a 43 year old looks like or should feel like.
53:53
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's like I have not felt good at all in my 40s.
53:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, this has been a three year journey, and here I am, 43.
53:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So, I'm going to take a rain check and, give you an IOU for answering that particular thing.
54:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I just want to feel what 43 is, and then we'll get to that.
54:08
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So we'll circle back later on this year.
54:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What?
54:12
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Let's talk about your podcast because it is so spectacular.
54:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Tell me some of your your favorite standout guests.
54:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well, I mean, I'd be remiss if I didn't start with my boy doctor Will also.
54:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Who has become a lot lately.
54:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well, he is, because one of my.
54:28
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Great.
54:28
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, he is one of my best friends in real life as well.
54:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, he and I just hit it off from, you know, the word go, and, formed a friendship.
54:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so he's on every month on the exam room, and, now we do our own podcast as well, called The Gut Insider.
54:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So that's on his YouTube channel and all podcast platforms where we just, you know, get the opportunity to play around and be guys and, you know, try to educate, inspire and be immature at the same time.
54:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I think that. He's the fiber guy.
54:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: In case anybody doesn't know, fiber fueled.
55:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What's his new book?
55:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Plant powered plus.
55:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Plant powered. Plus. Yeah.
55:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So really awesome guy.
55:05
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, but, you know, it's just like to have had so many downloads, though, of the exam room and reached, you know, over 150 countries, you know, reaching number one for nutrition podcasts.
55:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so many of them, it's it's mind blowing to me how ravenous the appetite is for health globally.
55:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: This is not an American problem.
55:29
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's not, you know, a Canadian problem.
55:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: This is a global issue that that we're facing in terms of our health.
55:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, just to be able to pull back the curtain for people to see, what is really going on in the world in terms of their health.
55:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I think it's it's really cool.
55:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, it's really, really, really cool to be able to reach people in Mozambique, in the Philippines and, you know, every country in Europe, like it's just mind blowing to me.
55:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
55:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Do you have some advice that you've gotten on the podcast that, like, really sticks with you?
56:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Any gems of wisdom?
56:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
56:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: The one thing, and this was from a really early episode of the exam room I was doing with Doctor Barnard.
56:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it was I was telling him a little bit about my story and how I was like, so hooked on food.
56:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And he was like, you know, that wasn't your fault, right?
56:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, what?
56:25
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Because I always assumed it was like I nobody was holding a gun to my head telling me, like, I had to eat, you know, 18in of, you know, Philly cheesesteak and a bucket of fries I like, willingly volunteered.
56:37
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I gave my money to do this.
56:40
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But he's like, no.
56:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And like, then he walked me through the addictive properties of food.
56:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so like when, when I see somebody who is, like, super morbidly obese, it's it's like it's not their fault and they're hooked.
56:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: They're they're just wearing their addiction literally on their sleeve and everywhere else.
56:58
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that, you know, I so sympathize with that person.
57:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so, I will never go up to somebody just cold and be like, it's not your fault, you know?
57:08
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But when the opportunity presents itself, being able to pass that kind of advice along to them, certainly makes them feel a lot better.
57:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Makes me feel better, too, because I'm educating them.
57:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, you know, as they say back in the day, knowledge is half the battle.
57:25
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So yeah, there you go.
57:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That's that's. Good advice. I mean it.
57:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
57:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I've had Doctor Barnard on here as well.
57:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And he is God. He is a gem.
57:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He really. Yeah.
57:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He really is.
57:37
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Any any other words of wisdom stick out to you?
57:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Words of wisdom. Little like nuggets of good advice.
57:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, such good advice.
57:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, there's so much of it.
57:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And to me, like what?
57:51
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What I take away from the show, even more than the nutrition nuggets, are just like the incredible stories of people who have done such incredible transformations.
58:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, I thought that what I did in terms of losing the weight was something spectacular.
58:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: No, man, talk about my boy Dennis, right?
58:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Dennis was like me, a fast food junkie.
58:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, a lot of times I believe he mentioned, like, he would go to the fast food thing before going home to eat, you know, and, like, hiding the evidence.
58:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Been there, done that.
58:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But Dennis thought he was having a heart attack one day, and he, like, is driving himself to the hospital.
58:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: God bless. I'm having a heart attack.
58:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What am I going to do?
58:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Am I going to call 911?
58:34
You are. Gorgeous. 5: No I cannot. Why?
58:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Because the ambulance won't stop at McDonald's on the way.
58:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So Dennis goes to friggin McDonald's on his way to the E.R..
58:42
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Okay?
58:43
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And like, gets his hamburger and fries.
58:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He gets his fix, goes to the hospital, never eats another burger and fries again.
58:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: His arteries are damn near completely blocked.
58:52
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's a miracle he makes it there.
58:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Finish the hamburger, finish the fries, but never had another one again.
58:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Goes whole food plant base and now is like just a role model for how to be resilient in terms of your health and, you know, never healthier.
59:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I love, love, love, love hearing stories like that.
59:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I do too.
59:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Do you, do you have, like, a any rituals that you do to prepare when you do a podcast?
59:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm not talking about researching the guest, but I'm like, right before the podcast.
59:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Is there anything you do know?
59:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like you don't think that.
59:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's it's far more magical than it actually is?
59:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, no, man, I like, I sit down, I flip on my mixer, do a mic check, make sure the camera's framed up, make sure I got typically before I went on the feeding tube, a nice fresh hot cup of coffee.
59:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: This is just hot water because that's literally the only thing I'm allowed to consume.
59:40
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And that's it.
59:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then it's like you sit down and you have a conversation, you know, should I walk you through putting on a little bit of powder before I do the exam room?
59:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Sure. But, you know, I didn't do that today.
59:53
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I because I okay, well, I guess I because I do I oh my god now I should I even say this.
1:00:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I say I.
1:00:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I sage my office, I get the sage sage it I palo santo make sure there's, you know, fresh energy I meditate I do a five minute meditation.
1:00:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: As a matter of fact, I, I try, I just sit on my, my mat and my pillow and I calm myself, I ground myself, and I also picture myself connecting with my guests.
1:00:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, I don't know if you felt it this morning, but before we got on, I was meditating and I pictured my heart connecting with your heart.
1:00:34
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, that's what I do.
1:00:37
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Before I felt if I.
1:00:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Need to be more like Chuck, just flip the damn thing on.
1:00:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I. Was. I'm like, that's what I.
1:00:43
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, like.
1:00:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: This is, this is what I do like what I do works for me.
1:00:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What you do works for you, right?
1:00:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So it's like, I don't necessarily want to be all zen out when I sit down to do these things.
1:00:52
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, I want to have energy, I want to be me like, but if you got to like, you know, do the smudge stick, do the smudge stick, like.
1:00:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's all good.
1:01:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. And you know, and then I do.
1:01:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Sometimes I do like a little jump rope or something because I do not want to be zen out.
1:01:08
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I do want to have some energy. Right?
1:01:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Sometimes I might do my jump rope for a minute or a jumping, you know, a couple jumping jacks.
1:01:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Because you're right.
1:01:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I do also want to bring my energy back up.
1:01:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Do you?
1:01:17
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But do you do me? Come on. Doing me.
1:01:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: A couple last questions. What?
1:01:22
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Is there a person that you admire for the way they're aging?
1:01:29
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
1:01:30
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Boy that's an interesting one.
1:01:32
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean you got to put Doctor Barnard on that.
1:01:34
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah I mean this dude.
1:01:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh he's a nice looking man.
1:01:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He. Right. Yes.
1:01:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know I will, I will relay that to him.
1:01:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I will, I will take us I think.
1:01:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I told her, don't worry.
1:01:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: When he came on, I was hard to read.
1:01:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Doctor Barnard a handsome man.
1:01:51
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh, yes, he is.
1:01:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I will let him know.
1:01:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. But. Yeah.
1:01:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So honestly, like him, I think a doctor, Jessica Grant, dermatologist up in New York City. Just.
1:02:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, to look at her is like, just to see beauty, like, it's unbelievable how beautiful her skin is.
1:02:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So. Yeah, those those two come to mind, and then, like, you can look at, like, the OG, like like a Colin Campbell, right?
1:02:19
You are. Gorgeous. 5: This is a guy. That's, you know, still doing his thing.
1:02:21
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, and it's like a little bit slower maybe.
1:02:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Sure or whatever.
1:02:24
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But like, he's still out there doing his thing and nobody can knock him like he's he's doing great.
1:02:29
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like I love that, you know, same thing with, Essie Caldwell assistant.
1:02:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, it's just come on.
1:02:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, those are.
1:02:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Those are my role models, man.
1:02:37
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, I would love to get in that kind of position.
1:02:40
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I think that that would be fantastic.
1:02:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: See? And and, an assistant, and.
1:02:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh. And man, an assistant.
1:02:47
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I could get in her physical shape.
1:02:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, I can't even do half the exercise she can do in her whatever 90s does it.
1:02:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Did you see the clip where, we did a whole tribute to the entire assistant family in Washington, DC a couple of years ago, and and pulled that big friggin, like.
1:03:04
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Tractor top. Tire.
1:03:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
1:03:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Across the stage, I was like, oh, is this happening right now?
1:03:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: She was doing it. I was like, all right.
1:03:12
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well, I know it's she's incredible.
1:03:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: She's love me like my favorite.
1:03:18
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then what?
1:03:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: What is what's your favorite concert you've ever been to?
1:03:26
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh, boy.
1:03:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: All right, so there's two.
1:03:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: All right.
1:03:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Number one was, Ozzfest one year, I believe.
1:03:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: System of a down.
1:03:37
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was playing, right.
1:03:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, like, their live show was amazing.
1:03:42
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, this was probably 20 years ago.
1:03:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was there, and my ears are still ringing, like, just so good.
1:03:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then the other one is so not PC, but what the hell?
1:03:52
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, again, same of the show is badass mother.
1:03:56
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So Ludacris.
1:03:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Rap, I love.
1:03:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Ludacris. You like Luda.
1:04:00
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I have. Ludacris.
1:04:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So so Luda, you know, just puts out this album.
1:04:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He's on tour.
1:04:06
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh yeah. Eminem.
1:04:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It was, it was it was exhibit opened.
1:04:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Luda was in the middle, and then Eminem was the closer.
1:04:13
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was like, Holy sh! Oh my God. Like, this is, this is the show, right?
1:04:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: So like, but Luda had like, this enormous dog on stage that would lift its leg and then like, pee on people.
1:04:25
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But it was like water, you know?
1:04:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, this is the funniest daggone thing I've ever seen in my entire life at a concert.
1:04:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And like, I will never forget that.
1:04:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, it's not a real dog, right?
1:04:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: No no no no no no. Oh, okay.
1:04:36
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was like, how. Are 20 30ft mechanical dog.
1:04:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
1:04:39
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it would just like lift up its leg every so often and then just like pee on the audience.
1:04:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I was like, this is the funniest damn thing I've ever seen.
1:04:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I was so grateful to be in the lawn seats and not up close.
1:04:50
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I didn't have to worry about getting hit, but yeah, man, that was hysterical.
1:04:54
You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, I've never seen any of those three.
1:04:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I go to concerts all the time and I love live music, and I don't know how.
1:05:01
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I've never seen any of those three bands because they're three really good ones.
1:05:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I don't, I.
1:05:07
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Don't know, what do. You what do you typically go.
1:05:09
You are. Gorgeous. 5: To? Like, I would think.
1:05:10
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh, like, in all.
1:05:11
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Honesty, at 43, like if I were to go to a hip hop show, I would stand out like a sore thumb.
1:05:16
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm up for it. Like, whatever.
1:05:18
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Good music's good music to me. Yeah.
1:05:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But have you ever been to a hip hop show, a rap concert?
1:05:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, it's been a while, but, yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm.
1:05:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Man, it's.
1:05:28
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I've had so many good concerts that I really didn't belong at, And more and more as I get older, like, all the time.
1:05:35
You are. Gorgeous. 5: But, you know, I don't care. I'm just going.
1:05:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm just having fun.
1:05:38
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, I live in Austin, Texas.
1:05:41
You are. Gorgeous. 5: We're about to have South by Southwest.
1:05:42
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I'll be. At all. The things.
1:05:45
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That all the all the stuff coming.
1:05:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, we go see Earth, Wind and fire.
1:05:48
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I got. Austin.
1:05:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah. Earth, wind and fire.
1:05:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I hell of a live show.
1:05:51
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, I just saw them last year and they're coming again with, Lionel Richie.
1:05:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'll probably go see them again.
1:05:55
You are. Gorgeous. 5: They're so good.
1:05:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: They put on such a good show.
1:05:57
You are. Gorgeous. 5: That's awesome.
1:05:59
You are. Gorgeous. 5: With Lionel Richie. Lionel. Richest man.
1:06:02
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He really is.
1:06:03
You are. Gorgeous. 5: The funniest thing, I think I told this before is that my husband was like, oh, my God, Lionel Richie, this is like six months ago is playing at the Paramount, which is this tiny little theater.
1:06:15
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's like the size of a, you know, movie theater with a balcony.
1:06:18
You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's art deco, kind of beautiful theater.
1:06:20
You are. Gorgeous. 5: He's like, can you believe that I'm getting tickets?
1:06:23
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well, he didn't read the fine print, and it was a book tour.
1:06:27
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And there were these drunk ladies behind us.
1:06:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Everybody.
1:06:31
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Nobody else read the fine print either.
1:06:33
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Everybody was really pissed that they were there to hear Lionel Richie talk about his book instead of singing this, then these drunk ladies behind us wouldn't shut up.
1:06:42
You are. Gorgeous. 5: Sing, sing.
1:06:44
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, you know, people are getting mad.
1:06:46
You are. Gorgeous. 5: And he's like, yeah, excuse me, ma'am, I'm not going to sing.
1:06:49
You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm here to talk about my book.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I mean, it was I thought a riot was going to break out, but.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh dear.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Don't upset the drunk Karens in the back.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But, you know, it was, it was, honestly, I was disappointed.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: But, I'm like, okay, I'm here.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Let me, obviously he's going to have some things to say.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And and he did. And it was great.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It was a great night.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh, I mean, everybody's happy.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It was. Good.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Everyone was happy.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well, Chuck Carroll, I can't thank you enough for being so open and being here after your surgery, schlepping your feeding tube around and making time to come on the edge like a badass mother podcast.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I know people have probably already listened to the exam room, but if not, and what was your other your new podcast, The insiders.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: The insiders, yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And then, also, yeah, if you go over to, the important thing is like, if you are struggling with a mystery illness or even a chronic illness, right?
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And your days are just dark and like, you need a little bit of hope or you've got somebody in your life that's in that position.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Like, I've actually also started a newsletter that I call Lost and Found.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Chuck's lost and found, you know, so it's like you lose your health, but we're going to help you find it again.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And it just kind of walks people through my journey.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And a lot of the tips and strategies that I found effective along the way, which includes a lot of, you know, how to have these conversations with your doctor when you feel like a lot being left on the table, you know, and advocating for yourself.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So we we kind of in the newsletter teach strategies for doing that.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And so if you go to my name Chuck carroll.com in sign up for my newsletter, it's completely free.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: It's just kind of my way of giving back to the world and and educating people.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And you know, maybe starting to write a little bit more, but, yeah, weekly tips and updates and things like I'm gonna.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Put that in the show notes. Thank you.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Chuck Carroll, two hours to elle.com.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You got it.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And, that is so just another gift that's come out of this whole thing that you're giving to people.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I, I really appreciate I know the world appreciates that you're doing that.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So continued health.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Thank you and success.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: And I hope that 43 and 44 and beyond are fantastic.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I hope that you'll come back when you're feeling better.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So you can tell.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: I'm ready for. Things about aging.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Well let's go.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: This is one of the few podcasts where I can, you know, actually show people that I got a potty mouth most days.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: So, Let's say.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Whatever you do, you want to say something? No one said no.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: We can have more for the next episode.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Yeah, I want to drop an F-bomb or anything.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: You know, Chuck Carroll.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: We got to work up to that one.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: We might put that one behind a paywall.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: If you want to hear Chuck say the F word, pony up.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Okay.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Oh, where he. Goes to charity.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: All right, well, continue to be well, Chuck.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Thank you. All right.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Thank you. Bye bye.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: Thanks for listening, friend.
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You are. Gorgeous. 5: From my heart to yours, be well until we meet again.