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Ep.92 | HeartMath for Building Resilience & Reducing Stress (Especially if You Don’t Like Meditating) w/ Michael Sipe, Life Coach & Business Consultant · Curiously Guided Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the Curiously Guided Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're your hosts, Mariah and Jay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Two online business strategists passionate about rewriting the rules to success within both life and business.
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  SPEAKER_01: This podcast started because we both felt frustrated by the lack of deep, meaningful, and transparent conversations around what it takes to actually run a business that we both feel good about.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we decided to create that for ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_02: We want our solo episodes and guest interviews to be examples of how you too can chase your dreams and go down your own rabbit holes, ultimately leading to a more sustainable and fulfilling life.
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  SPEAKER_01: We believe that curiosity is our superpower.
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  SPEAKER_01: And trusting the nudge is a muscle that's meant to be strengthened.
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  SPEAKER_02: Especially if we want to create a lifestyle that feels good from the inside out.
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  SPEAKER_02: So are you ready to open your mind and let curiosity guide the way?
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's take this journey together.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're so glad you're here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now let's dive in.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, everyone, we have another amazing episode to share with you guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we're bringing back one of our favorite guests, um, Michael Saipe, who was on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mariah, can you remind me what season that was?
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  SPEAKER_01: He, I looked this up before.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was episode 43 in season three.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which was a banger of an episode, like one of our most popular from the first round of episodes that we did.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um definitely check that out.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he is a multifaceted human, which is why we love having him on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, I think at the end of that episode, or just in talking with Michael, we kind of discovered that he um has this specialty in something called heart math, which is an idea that Mariah and I both keep bumping into in our real lives that we were curious about.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason that we're curious about it is because it is what we created this podcast for.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: It is kind of almost, if you talk about it a lot, it maybe can sound a bit woo, but it is very, very backed in science.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was actually had the website up right before we pressed uh record the 500 peer-reviewed studies.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you get on the website, heartmath.com, you can just see over and over and over again like the science behind this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um it's so it's a really cool technique that's meant to regulate your nervous system, um, help you kind of deal with calming yourself with emotions, just with the stresses of day-to-day life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's very, very simple.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just very straightforward.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's free for the most part.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is a tool you can get if you're interested in the science and the data to track it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But just the technique is um literally putting your hand on your heart, breathing and thinking some things, you know, and getting your brain and heart, it's called coherence, but together.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the cool part about this, I've shared with you guys, I had um a season in my life a few years ago where I was very much struggling with anxiety.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I would wake up in the middle of the night, just in a panic, sweaty palms.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one technique I used at that time, I would put my hand on my heart and I would say, I am loved, I am safe, I am supported.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I noticed that, like that action, it sounds really basic and I want to roll my eyes at it, but it had like immediate calming effects on me.
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  SPEAKER_01: It helped me calm myself down, hand on the heart, saying these things, really thinking and imagining those feelings.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then we hear Michael kind of describe and take us through a heart math exercise.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: And like, that's literally what I was doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize it, but I was getting my heart and my brain into coherence.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so Michael will kind of break down how this all works, but it is really profound.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's powerful.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's again kind of like an old technique that I think we've had access to, but now we can really prove with science, you know, how this is impacting our bodies.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Michael is just such a fantastic, curious human.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is really bringing light and wonderful things into this world.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm excited to share this new episode with him, with you guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that it's cool because it's like, you know, you say, I put my hand to my heart and I tell myself I'm safe and blah, blah, blah.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I do roll my eyes at that, even still to this day, even though I've done it a million times.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think the real difference here is if you're just doing the actions of placing your hand on your heart, I feel like I want to say it in like a sarcastic tone, like, I am safe.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: I am, it's like obviously it's not gonna fucking work.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're literally missing the point.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think that like that deeper level that we so often want to overlook is the actual feeling of what you're saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the intention, it's feeling, it's taking it from like just words that you're that are flowing out of your mouth to like actually feeling them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in this episode, Michael actually walks us through like an example of doing that, which was really, really cool.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it's funny because like me and Shay really had no idea what to expect.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like, we're about, I mean, the podcast isn't live, but it's like we're about to do it live on the recording.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like we had no idea how long it would be or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then we did it, and we'll put the timestamp to when it happens in the actual episode in the show notes, if you guys want to go ahead and like see what the hell we're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_02: But like it really is super simple, but also very intentional.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm really grateful for Michael.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: He's just Michael's the shit, dude.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I just I love him.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: I love the way that he breaks things down.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like you were saying, one of his previous episode on the podcast, talking about demystifying intuition, one of the most popular episodes.
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  SPEAKER_02: He has this way of explaining things that like combine everything that we love.
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  SPEAKER_02: It combines the inner work and the outer work, it combines the strategy and the energetics, and like the way that he explains things and like takes curiosity, like he's down to go into these rabbit holes and like give personal examples.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like he's just an all-around amazing person.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like he was the perfect person that we could have on the podcast to dive into heart math.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, Michael Snipe is a former naval aviator and airline pilot, turned life and business coach, who specializes in helping business professionals elevate their personal performance using spirituality as a context and motivator for sustained improvement.
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  SPEAKER_02: Michael has written six books, been featured in Forbes Entrepreneur and Inc.
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  SPEAKER_02: magazine, hosts his own podcast on the strategic advisor board media platform, and forms business partnerships with promising entrepreneurs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Michael has had two near-death experiences, a spiritually transformative experience, and a dedicated meditation practice that's been life-changing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, without further ado, let's just kick it into the episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, y'all.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like this is a pretty special episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have Michael Seit back on.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I wasn't sure if I was gonna say it in this part of the episode or like in the intro intro that we usually do, but it's cool because we're kicking off the conversation with heart math.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I'm sure as a lot of our listeners know, we don't really know like where the hell we're gonna end up, but our plan is to kick it off with heart math.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: And the cool part about that is like it's coming full circle.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we had Michael Saipan in season three, episode 43, talking about demystifying intuition.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is one of our most popular older episodes.
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  SPEAKER_02: We will link it in the show notes below, or you can check out the podcast app that you're listening to, episode 43.
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  SPEAKER_02: But essentially at the end of that conversation, when the question came up of like, hey, Michael, what's like guiding your curiosity lately?
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: Or like, what are you curious about?
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  SPEAKER_02: He was talking about heart math.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then ever since then, I feel like it's been coming up quite often for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had like my kinesiologist mention it literally like a couple weeks ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I had somebody else mention it to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so when me and Shay were chatting about this season and trying to figure out which kind of guests we want on, I was like, what about heart math?
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  SPEAKER_02: And when then we were like, why don't we just bring Michael Snight back on?
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's our intro after the intro.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Michael, thanks so much for being here.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, guys, I am so thrilled and pleased to be back on the show.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: We had such a great time last time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh heart math is a great topic to talk about and that organization, what they have provided for mankind and globally provided for mankind.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's um really cover that well today so that your audience has something to work with.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I was telling Michael before this interview that like when it comes to heart math, I know literally jack shit about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, enough to where it's like I can Google it and like find things out.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Michael, can you just like break it down from the get-go?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, what is heart math?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, heart math is an organization, actually, an institute of uh various doctors, scientists who study the body and more importantly, study the relationship between the heart and the rest of the body and the role that the heart plays beyond just pumping blood through the bot through the system.
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  SPEAKER_00: So heart math uh started doing some studies years ago about what the heart was capable of doing and the unique relationship it has with the brain.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as an example, uh the heart has up to 40,000 neurons in it, so it's got its own little mini brain.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, when we think of the body, we think our brain controls everything, but in reality, there's a time when the heart takes over and starts regulating the body.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so heart math, the organization, basically studied all of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then over time, they started developing some techniques where it would allow the body to regenerate and recuperate at a faster pace, using the heart as the guided instrument, if you will, for doing that.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, along the way, they've had some great courses, they've had some development with various technologies and applications that people can use to focus on being a lot more heart-centered physically so that it helps improve their health.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: And they've done a number of studies, and you can go to their website, heartmath.org, and find out a lot about those studies.
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  SPEAKER_00: In addition to that, they also have sort of what we'll call the business side of it, where they actually want to get people to train to use some of these heart math techniques that help bring the body more in line, more at peace.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll go a little bit more into that in a moment, but I think the important thing about heart math is it's an organization, it's a nonprofit, and what they are really doing is they're on a crusade to help people deal with the adversities, the challenges we have in life.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: And when we think about being stressed out, it depends upon what your job is, what your situation is at home.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like there are certain things that for anyone can be stressors.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what I love about Heart Math and what they have developed is that they created some very simple tools that anybody can implement and help bring their life a little bit saner, a little less stressed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And over time, it's like any muscle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Once you start working that over and over again, it becomes very natural.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: And one becomes a lot more resilient when they're able to implement some of this heart-centered techniques that the heart math folks have developed.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm glad that you just brought up that word resilience.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like that is a phrase that um is getting tossed around a lot.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: I heard someone the other day say, like, you know, I realize that everything in my life really comes down to how resilient I am or how well I'm um managing my emotions.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so that idea of resilience is always very appealing to me.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: I would like to be more resilient personally.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you tell us a little bit more?
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what does resilience mean to you?
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  SPEAKER_01: What does that look like?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that resilience is actually a really big word because it has so many different definitions and applications.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think for some people, they think of sports athletes and they think about the resilience.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you think about a football player who gets knocked on their butt and injured during the game, like how quickly do they come back and start playing again?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Or you think about somebody who's had a setback uh with something financially, how quickly do they come back or are they stuck in a hole for forever?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and we think of resilience in so many different ways.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think one of the core fundamentals here about resilience is really dealing with adversity and the body's reaction to that adversity, which, as you know, Shay very well, is our thoughts and our emotions drive the state of our mindset.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, what is our sort of personal energy?
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  SPEAKER_00: And and when we think of energy as a thought and emotion and a behavior associated with that, well, we can think of times where we are full of energy because we're motivated, we have something wonderful going on in our life, and so we're tackling things.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: But then when those things come at us and that are a form of adversity, how we deal with that.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if it's something that has continually knocked us on our butt, well, if we don't get back up, we're we're falling back into the same pattern of of behavior, and we're not resilient.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: We we aren't bouncing back, if you will.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: So um the resilience piece here with heart math, and and I went through the certification program with them, was the idea of to build better resilience is to be a bit able to adapt to those stressors.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think one of the things that that most people know about is that our nervous system is actually the thing that's responding to those thoughts we think, right?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: And that nervous system is basically split up into two parts.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's the the parasympathetic nerve nervous system, and there's the sympathetic nervous system.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: And the way I think about it, those are big words, but the ones that I think of is like fight or flight.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: If you are in fight or flight mode, then that is the sympathetic nervous system.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's responding, you are responding to the the adversity that's out there.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you're being on a hiking path and you come across a rattlesnake, suddenly where's your attention going?
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: You're all of your energy and attention is going right to that rattlesnake and you're paying attention to that, and and you're super focused on that.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's your sympathetic nervous system kicking in, devoting, you know, constricting blood vessels, all the things that the body needs to do to be prepared for that adverse potential, right?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then when we're going to bed at night and we're winding down, and if we had a pretty decent day, we're gonna fall asleep real quick, and we are going and we're turning on that parasympathetic nervous system.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: And what happens when we sleep, and why do we sleep?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's to help the body recuperate, to regenerate.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: So the the parasympathetic nervous system is what's brings the body into homeostasis, another big word, but it's basically where the body's at equilibrium.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's where the body's doing what it's supposed to do.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: It destroys cells, it builds up new cells, all of those things that are helping the body become a little more whole, a little more healthy.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: So here's the more of the science behind it, and this gets into the resilience piece is we aren't being resilient as much because of one primary cause.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: We've been turning on the sympathetic nervous system too much.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: We're pumping in a lot of adrenaline, a lot of cortisol, we're pumping in a lot of chemicals throughout our body, and our body can only handle so much.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so what it does is it creates fatigue, it creates we could become tired over time, much at a much faster rate because we never were able to turn on that parasympathetic nervous system during the day enough to start recuperating and becoming um a little wholer.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: So so the resilience piece really boils down to are we changing our life enough where we're turning on that parasympathetic nervous system more than we used to?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: And the heart math folks, what they did was they said, like, hey, our heart plays a critical role because the heart actually overrides the craziness of the monkey brain in our head, so that it shuts that part down and it allows the heart to then start sending uh signals, sort of EMF kind of signals, up to the brain, and they get in sync.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: And when they get in sync, it's like magic.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: The body starts self-regulating, it starts following along in rhythm, and um, and that's how being resilient is we are basically turning on that heart and allowing the heart to override what was going on before in the in the brain that we were dealing with with all that so-called stress.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: So um that's sort of in a sort of a broad, broad brush of of resilience, but we could dive even more into like some of the technical pieces of like what's going on there.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but but that's it in a nutshell that's really that's really helpful.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh all of the ways that you broke it down and like tying it back into the heart and the science behind it.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's just cool that like heart-centered like isn't just a phrase.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, can I be honest?
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: When when I first saw heart math, I saw heart-centered and I was a little like repelled by it.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because of the coaching space, it's like I only coached heart-centered people, and it's kind of just like a phrase to like it is call in your people, but it's cool that like there's science behind it.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the other person who's brought it up, we brought um Dr.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Anu French, who works with children on uh um talked about like inner child stuff in play, I think last season, but she's the one who introduced it to me.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: So every person that's brought it up in my life is someone who I know likes the data and likes the science.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's cool to hear about how grounded it really is.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: So what's what's um the the data behind it is that when our heart is beating, um if you focus on your heart and you're a little bit nervous, you can almost feel like your heart's like just not quite beating in a pure natural rhythm.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's like it's a little distorted.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, well, that's exactly correct, because what's going on is people uh when we when our heart beats, yeah, it beats at so many beats per minute, but there's there's little like micro frequencies in there that the heart is responding to, and and so it'll it'll be a little distorted.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the heart math folks found a way to measure that.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: And if in fact they they made they made this really cool device, and it's so awesome.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: I've I've got one here because and I and I give them out to my clients, but it's it's a little um thing that clips onto your ear, and you can clip onto your ear, and then it's Bluetooth-enabled device, and it and it starts recording um the the the uh the blood vessels responding to the the heart and pumping.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so it detects the actual your actual heartbeat, and it can measure when it's a little discordant.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: So what they have done is they take that data and they present it in graphical format in real time on either on your laptop or on your device, but but you basically um have your own mini lab.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like you don't have to spend a thousand dollars going to some diagnostic lab somewhere to go like, hey, could you check out like how my heart's doing?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's like dude, it's right here, like it's all right here.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: All you have to do is plug it in, uh, turn it on, and then on your app, you can watch in real time whether your heart is in coherence with your brain.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: And and then the heart math folks developed various techniques to get the heart back into coherence.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: And when the heart is in coherence, it's doing its normal functions and it's sending those signals from its those neurons on the back side of the heart up to the brain and and up through the vagus nerve and up into the brain, saying, like, hey, this is this is what's good, this is normal, this is healthy, and it's positive kinds of signals up into the brain.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then the brain responds and starts going, oh, okay, well, this is great.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, now we're gonna start releasing signaling the genes in the body to start releasing specific proteins, and they're gonna and chemicals throughout the body, the healthy ones that help restore cells, that help rejuvenate tissue, things like that.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: So um I I was a little bit of a skeptic at first about it because just like you, like heart centered, like really, okay, come on.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: But then when you look at the science behind it and go, yeah, the heart is an amazing organ, and it's got this little brain too.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: And oh my gosh, it ties in beautifully with the parasympathetic nervous system.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: And the body is actually designed to produce its own, you know, chemicals, its own pharmacy of good stuff.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then that goes through the body.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so being resilient, tying it all back is like you start doing this more and more during the day, or you do it during your really stressful moments, you are changing your body.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: You are literally changing your body.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the other thing about science that is so important is if we have these sort of depleting, negative kinds of experiences where we're reacting all the time and we're feeling stressed and feeling anxious and feeling angry and all those emotions that are sort of what we call catabolic emotions that deplete us.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if we do that over and over again, we're signaling sort of the bad genes, if you will, in the body to release.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: And and they get stored in the body, they get stored in fat tissue, they get stored in various locations, and they build up over time.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then it becomes a tipping point where it gets too much, and then we start getting sick.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: And when we get sick, guess what?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Then it just it's just a downhill slope.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then we always have to fight back and start to like build back up and like, all right, well, I'm gonna have to take the day off from work, or I gotta like recuperate for like because it's just been so intense.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I think the the part here of the science of it is being able to be heart-centered is really about letting the heart override the brain in a very good way, in a very healthy way.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's thank you for explaining that.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I have 75 different tangents and stories that I could go off on.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and it was making me laugh though, because it's like, how fucking ignorant are we as humans?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we're so ignorant.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm talking about myself.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we look and we're like, uh, the heart, like we need it.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Eat heart healthy things, like, or just like, oh, what's my, I don't know, like my blood pressure.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that's, I mean, not ignorant, like we should know our blood pressure, but like we just try to oversimplify it when it's doing so much more, but because we can't actually see it, or like we don't have doctors recommending this to us or talking to us about this, we didn't learn this in school.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's like we think that it's like mumbo jumbo made up shit, and then we're just like, it couldn't possibly be.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: But when you break all of that down, doesn't it make perfect sense?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because isn't it strange that like our body can operate all on its own and like we get a cut and it heals itself?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, what is happening here?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the magic of life.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like we're in a really cool part in time where it's like the science is starting to back up these things that I feel like people were talking about.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: And like when you talk about like brain and heart coherence, I instantly think of Joe Dispenza.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: I've done his meditations for a long time, and I haven't really heard him explain it with all this.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: I know that like probably in his programs and stuff, but it's just really, really helpful.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: But I I do have like a very logical question for you.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: So you said that the heart math device it connects to your ear.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: Is that I used to have an aura ring and I stopped wearing my aura ring because the EMFs wearing it all of the time really freaked me out, and then my hands were feeling weird, and so I X X nay on the aura ring.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: But my question is is like that used to tell me when I was like really stressed out, like before I record YouTube videos, the heart is not coherent with the brain, the heart is running down the highway, like it is nowhere near me.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so that was really helpful because for me it was a sign of like, okay, we're stressing out, we're pumping through some shit just to like kind of get us through this time.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: But then it's an invitation to now, how can I take a second for myself to come back down and to regulate, like after I'm in a stressful time?
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: But my logical question is is connecting the device to the ear, is that like, does it get a better read on data than like let's say connecting it to a finger?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: I you can connect to the finger.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's just that the earlobe is um easier to clip onto and there's enough data for it to fall to track.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a little a light emitting diode that they're sensing diode that that uh can sit can sense the the pulse even in your tiny little earlobe.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: And then do you have to wear this device all of the time?
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: Do you check it once a day?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like what's kind of like the T on the on the logistics?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so so I didn't explain that very well, and that's a really good question because it is worth explaining again.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: So the device is really for measuring your heart variability when you are stressed, and especially when you're doing one of the heart math techniques.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: So it's heart-centered breathing primarily that we're focusing on.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you guys are both familiar with with breathing and the importance of slowing down our bre breath and and all that.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so when we do the techniques, what we're watching is the results of that breathing.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: So the aura ring like is awesome because, in a way, because what it's doing is creating awareness.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: I always say that like if you want to change something that you don't like in your life, number one is you got to recognize that you're actually doing it or you're in that state, right?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so awareness is the first step.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: So having some way of like recognizing, like, yeah, I am like really stressed out right now, like more so than normal.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, great.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now you've got the awareness that you're stressed out more than normal, or you are just stressed out.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, step that's step one.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: But then step two is like, okay, well, what am I gonna do about it?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: Am I gonna change the trend?
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Am I gonna stop what's going on?
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if I can't stop it, can I slow it down?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where the heart math techniques come in.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because now you can start going, okay, I think I'm gonna start doing this heart math breathing, these techniques, and that'll help me get heart centered and let my heart take over and reduce the the chaos that is going on in my brain right now that's creating all this stress.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: So, so the the the little device and the ear, uh, the earpiece is really to not wear it all day long.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: You could, but it's to really measure like when you're really trying to get back into that heart space.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: And what I like about it the most is anybody who has said that they like, hey, I can't do meditation, like meditation is too hard for me.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like my mind wanders and I'm start thinking about what I'm gonna cook for dinner.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking about like, okay, who's gonna take the dog out for a walk?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I like, when am I gonna pay the bill?
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like when I'm gonna get some money to pay for the bills.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like, my mind is always wandering.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, how do I I can't meditate?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: So, so I love this app and this device because what it does is yeah, I can start doing the heart meth techniques, but just like meditation, my mind can wander.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So, guess what?
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Now you've got a little graph and it shows how your heart's doing, and it's got this nice little sine wave.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: And if you are in heart brain coherence, it's a beautiful little sine wave.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: But then the moment you start your mind starts wandering, well, guess what?
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: That sine wave starts getting a little wonky, and then your score starts dropping a little bit, and you go, Oh, oh my gosh, my mind's wandering and it dings at you, but in a really pleasant, like nice kind of ding kind of way, and so you can get instantaneous feedback on how am I bringing my heart back into coherence.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: And usually for me, like it takes like maybe about 30 to 45 seconds of doing the breathing that will then get my heart back up into equilibrium and start like helping my brain become coherent again.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: So um, so the the device is really once for once you realize that you are in a stressful situation and you want to change it and you're gonna do something about it, and you're actually gonna start doing some of those techniques, then the then the the device and the app are just great for going, okay, I'm doing something and can I see some results?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: And and it'll kind of keep me honest about it.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let me restate something just to make sure I'm understanding really at its core, heart math is meditation techniques, right?
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's like a and it's not just meditation, but it's a series of techniques to help you get incongruence or sync up your brain and your heart.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um and the tracker or the app is a way for us, data nerds, to kind of validate what we're actually experiencing, which is really cool in like the meditation world because we're just kind of believing that we're doing something good for our nervous system, but to actually be able to see physically your body react to whatever technique you're doing, it kind of takes it to the next level.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: It uh absolutely, like a hundred percent.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: And and being able to get the feedback that, like, yeah, I'm actually doing something good for my body.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know that the science is there that like if I can get my heart and brain into coherence, then I know my body's gonna be doing a lot better.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: Period.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, we've got the evidence.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Heart math's got tons of studies.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Go to the website, check it out.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you don't believe me, just go check it out yourself.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: But they've got all that data.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then we have other universities, it's not just heart math, like tons of people are are doing this research and going, like, holy cow, like the body really responds well when when we're the parasympathetic norm nervous system is being run by the heart.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's wonderful stuff.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, so the data is there.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's really one of like, am I gonna make a change in my life?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then how do I know that I'm actually having an effect?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: I do meditation, and like I'll do like an hour-long meditation, I'll come up from like, yeah, I feel pretty good, but I don't know what happened.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like I know it's good.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: People say it's good, but but the thing about heart math is like, oh my gosh, I I got it back.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: And like, literally, like I pulled up one of my um one of my sessions from not too long ago, and and just on the app, I it's stores the history, and so it's got the 15-minute session that I did, and it shows where I was in heartbreak coherence and and it was I able to stay in it for a longer period of time than I did last time.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, maybe I was more stressed out this time, and so it showed.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so my score instead of a 6.0, I got like a 5.4.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I wasn't able to stay in coherence quite as long, but I I got into it, which is the most important part.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: So well, that's what I have a question about.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned heart rate very variability, and I like with the app because there's also this idea of tracking progress, you know, and that can be hard.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're saying, you're like, I'm meditating every day, I I feel a little bit better, but like what am I doing?
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's kind of the measure of resilience.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: That heart heart variability or like it can be.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's just all here's here's what the studies show is that if you are bringing your heart and brain into coherence more and more during the day, those things that normally stress you out don't stress you out as much.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, if you have never driven on interstate freeway and everybody drives 80 miles an hour and they are crazy on the freeway, and you normally drive a country road, two and from and it's two lanes, and it maybe does 35 miles an hour at most, and you go ahead on the freeway with all that other traffic, are you gonna be stressed?
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you absolutely are, because all that seeming chaos is going on, zipping around, people being seemingly crazy on the interstate.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: But but then if you get on the interstate and do it more and more, you be it becomes normalized, right?
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: It becomes a little more you become a little wiser about it, and you and you become a little more anticipatory, and so you don't get stressed out as much.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: What what the heart math training is doing is by helping one become a little more coherent with the heart and the brain, is they're taking that that's you're able to adapt to the environment of the stressors that are there, and instead, instead of having the sympathetic nervous system pumping all the adrenaline cortisol, you're not.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: You're not doing that.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: And instead, what you're doing is bringing the body back into homeostasis, and it allows the body to then not expend as much energy and get drained by the end of the day.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, so the heart math thing is you can see the positive effects, and all it is saying is that like, let's say I did a 15-minute session and I was in heart brain coherence for like 12 minutes out of the 15.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, great, that's 12 minutes out of the day that my body was not depleted.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: And guess what?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: All that extra energy that I would have expended, I'm not.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like I'm on the freeway, but I'm not phased anymore during those 12 minutes.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: So, so that becomes cumulative.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and you're we learn, and from repetition, instead of it becoming like a conscious thought, it becomes a subconscious thought.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: And when we subconsciously are going, like, oh yeah, I'm stressed.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, start breathing.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm gonna go into my breath.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to have the heart math thing on me.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to measure it.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna go back into my breath because I do it on a regular basis, it becomes natural.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when we're building resilience because now we are totally changing the paradigm.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: We are saying, like, oh, I'm not, I could be stressed here, and instead I'm not, and I'm doing a technique that I know is good for my body.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: I may not have the app on me right now and I'm not looking at it, but I have all the evidence personally, not from some scientist, not from some doctor somewhere, but personally that I have changed my body and I know that if I am doing this right now, I am helping my body and I am helping deal with the stress and I'm becoming more resilient.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: So it's essentially like a training device.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: It is exactly a training device.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: And then coming like it's teaching, it's so wild.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like, and it's teaching you to come back to the very thing that is keeping all of us alive.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: I was just talking to Andrew about this the other day, where it's like, I learned that I think it's in it's in an Asian country.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember which one, but one of them, one of the very first things that they teach their kids in school, age four or five, how to breathe.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: And at first we're like, what a silly skill.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what do you mean?
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: We could be learning how to tie your shoe.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, like, I don't know, like learn how to operate a drill so that like out of these kids can get to work, like hurry up, you know what I mean?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: Or just like doing numbers, and it's like, but our breath is with us for our entire existence.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: What a skill that we can have when we can learn how to regulate and like breathe properly.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: And like me and Andrew joke around because it's like, I feel like I've never learned, he's never learned how to breathe, and I've never learned how to run.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: And like, I feel like I don't know where to put the pressure.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like when I'm running, I don't know like what form to have.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it feels so silly because as a 32-year-old adult woman, I'm going to say, I don't know how to run, and he's gonna say, I don't know how to breathe.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: But like, we were never taught these things.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that it's cool that like there's organizations and there's people in the scientific and the health world that are diving into this stuff because this is just by the pure explanation of this, this could be a huge reason why so many people are getting sick.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 100%.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like back in the day, obviously there were other stressors, but like we didn't have our phones all the time or anything like that.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that we kind of hear this stuff, we're just like, well, yeah, I went to the doctor and they told me I'm stressed, and you're just like, I need to stop stressing.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever stopped stressing by somebody telling you to stop stressing?
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: But like there is no training or technique, it's just like you should meditate.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: You can't tell a stressful person that they have to start meditating.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: It just doesn't make sense.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's not an actionable, practical next step.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so I just I think that this is really cool and the device is cool for training, but I also think that it's really cool that it's a skill that you're just like naturally developing where you don't have to rely on this training device forever.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: And and so you're 100% correct.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, so I will um, you know, I've I've been an airline pilot, I've I've um done day trading, like anybody that knows financial markets and does day trading, like, you know, those markets can be crazy and people are pulling their hair out trying to make trying to do day trades.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh most most people fail at it because it's just the emotional swings of like losing money and making money, losing money and make like you want to talk about stressors.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or as an airline pilot, like having to deal with um bad weather, delays, like things compounding, you know, safety of the passengers.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like I there there have been some significant stressors.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: I can't bring that training device out in the middle of any of that, right?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna I'm gonna go, okay, you know, calm down.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: I can do a little breathing, the way they, you know, they teach it, and I'll I'll demo it here in a little bit.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: But just doing that, I'm gonna, I'm gonna change, I'm gonna be aware, and I'm gonna change.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do something that's beneficial for me.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, sometimes stressors can be things that are just like ongoing.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like you're caring for somebody who has a health issue, right?
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: And you're with them all day long.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just like you, you don't get a break.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's an all-day kind of event.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's taxing you.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's somebody a loved one, for example, and you can't deal like it's so hard to to see somebody in that condition, and now you're having to, you know, like be in it that long.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're those things that are like sort of like what I'm gonna say, like semi-permanent stressors versus the incremental stressors or the momentary stressors.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: So what I love about this is that you know, it only takes once during the day to start making a difference.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: If you start doing just five minutes of these advanced breathing techniques, you're gonna start making a difference.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: And if you start building that up throughout the day for those long-term stressors, ah, God, God bless you, you are gonna be doing such good for your body.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and I think, Mariah, the the other thing that you touched on too is, you know, our culture, especially Western medicine, we we try to come up with solutions in Western medicine that will help, you know, fix the body or fix the challenges.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: And we've got a model where, okay, well, there's going to be probably some another drug we can make or invent that'll deal with that issue.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so we've been conditioned into thinking, like, okay, yeah, we'll go to the doctor and they'll put a prescription together for me and boom, I'm done.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm ready to go.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, or I'll and and um the the flip side to that and a lot of eastern, you know, philosophy about it is is yeah, we might think it's kind of crazy and are arcane and and maybe outdated compared to Western medicine.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: But there is, as you said, so much evidence coming out now that the body actually, our thoughts and our emotions, our behaviors can actually influence the state and health of our body.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: And if we can change that for the better, and oh, we use something like heart math along the way, it doesn't have to be just heart math, but it can be lots of other things, yoga, you know, going to go to masse, like whatever it is that will get you back into your happy space, uh, or or you know, sated, like I'm I'm at peace kind of space.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: Anything that does that is healthy for you.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, um, so all that is to say is like we've been conditioned to not be looking for this kind of thing, but it is a natural, normal process.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm thrilled to like have even learned about the heart math folks and being able to share that with others.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've been trying to think of a way to like summarize how big of a deal this is, like in its health, it's your health.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think we don't realize how much in our modern society, how keyed up we're expected to be all the time.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're really even if you're just trying to sit at home and relax on the couch, you're on your phone getting a thousand ads, and like you're saying, our thoughts dictate what's going on in our body, and vice versa.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that like we're not even aware how much of our life we're spending in a state of fight or flight, in that kind of activated state.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of us have it's become normal.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: I I've been asking people like, when was the last time you were bored?
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's honestly difficult for me to think about when I was bored, but that flip side, that rest and digest side or the parasympathetic, that's when our body heals.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's when we kind of can relax and come back down.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: But a lot of us do not have space and we don't create space.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: So this idea that there's this little technique that I don't have to block out a 90-minute chunk in my schedule.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: I can just have it as a skill that I can build the muscle in.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's so empowering.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm thinking about that Victor Frankel quote like freedom lies um uh in the middle of stimulus and response, right?
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: So giving us the ability to take a breath before you respond, check in with yourself, get in coherence, and then respond.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds basic, but it is the basis of good health because what I'm thinking of is like, how often do we hear we need to write rest and digest, we need to get into parasympathetic, we need to somatics, you know, we need to connect with our body, we need to feel our feelings.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: But then it kind of just stops.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, and I heard so many people recently myself included okay but how how do i feel my feelings what what do you mean like how and so i'm loving that this is like a tool this is a tool for us to feel our feelings or whatever that looks like manage the day-to-day stressors because if you don't we know from the body keeps the score and many other data driven places when you repress you're gonna get physical ailments you're gonna get all kinds of sicknesses like that's kind of the start of it so I just I I feel like on Instagram these days we're seeing like oh do you have cortisol face and are you worried about your stress levels and it it's really kind of like dumbed down but that if that's what you're feeling you're waking up at 3 a.m you know you've got all of these like really high stress markers you're probably stuck in fight or flight and so this is where that can kind of help you come out of that.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah yeah and uh exactly you you hit the nail on the head um and the one other thing that I I think is like you know I you you're talking about being so busy during the day not being bored and I I you know I've been in the corporate space and and worked long days you know I I I just was just reading um an article last week in Wall Street Journal about like all of these young bankers that are working on Wall Street and they're working 18 hour days and they're taking these drugs these performance enhancing drugs one of my clients uh that I had was taking these drugs uh to to keep their profession their you know their day going so that they could could overcome all the stuff that was going on and so you know they're not gonna have 90 minutes or even 10 minutes maybe to go so I was thinking about it and I'm like you know some of my some of my best moments of inspiration have come when I'm totally relaxed and I'm like in the shower.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well you can't do that at work you don't have a shower at work.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you well there's a stall in the bathroom and I know that sounds like really hokey but my gosh you can get away from everybody and everything at work and you can go to the bathroom and you can have a little bit of like a Zen moment maybe the opportunity to have that Zen moment and you can do your heart math there.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: You can do like five minutes, 10 minutes and then nobody's gonna erupt you get it done and you go back to work like and and being able to to do that a few times throughout the day it will change your life and uh um and so finding finding a place physically where you can be uninterrupted uh you can kind of do that a little bit even if it's just a few minutes I'm still laughing at the cortisol face um comment because like it's girl like that is I am searching that like I'm the one keeping the algorithm going like I am clicking I am consuming I am reading I am hopping over to their LinkTree page and taking a look at what they have going on.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: Am I purchasing?
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: No, because I can stop myself a little bit but like yes and I think okay so like I learned an interesting lesson when we moved away.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: I remember okay so a little bit of context if people are new to the podcast.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: So essentially born and raised Buffalo New York my family still lives around here my family is wildly chaotic and that is putting it so nicely and so me and Andrew decided to move we moved to South Carolina then North Carolina then we moved to Tampa.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_02: We ended up coming home about two years later but I remember when we first landed we were staying at my aunt's house in South Carolina she, her and her family were away from the weekend Andrew actually had to like come back up to Buffalo.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: I remember laying on her couch I had nothing to do not a damn thing nothing to do and I was like I don't remember the last time that I felt this peaceful and it just made me realize how subtle all of that stress is and how quickly it adds up because it's like not only are you judging or juggling like your own stuff now especially if you live around friends and family now you're juggling their stuff.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: Now if you live with somebody you're juggling their stuff if you have kids now you're not only juggling you're responsible for their stuff.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_02: And then we have just like the world events and all of that.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then we have our phones and we're getting marketed to and like all of this and I it was such a big eye opener for me.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then we moved back and I was like wow look at me I learned so much I am just like the cream of the crop here.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like I could not be any better.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know how fucking quickly I went back into that rabbit hole of like being subtly stressed and like allowed it all to add up and then like recently just this past week I was having like a manic week and I was so in my head I was not in my body and I've I'm a meditator of for almost over 10 years.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: I could not get to that space and if I did I got to that space for Joe Dispenza got me there for maybe maybe about 10 minutes.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_02: And then I woke up as soon as my eyes opened too much stimulus and now I'm stressed out again.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_02: And then it was like I found myself kind of beating myself up because I'm just like what do you mean girl?
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: You have been a meditator for 10 years.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_02: You lost all of those skills you're letting all of this day-to-day shit like beat you up and then I was like well I have to be logical so I'll go to the head I'll go to my brain I'm smart I can figure this stuff out I'm going on Google rabbit holes trying to figure out this this and this which is just keeping me in my head space and I'm going on Instagram and I'm seeing cortisol face stuff pop up and I'm just like oh my God here we are so I'm just so stuck in this space that it really took me me seeing my nutritionist in which she is a little honey I love her and she basically brings in like Chinese medicine and spirituality and nutrition and all of that and I'm like elaborating her like what I'm learning about like the body and I'm trying to be so fucking logical and so practical.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm eating this and it's triggering that and like all of this and I'm thinking I'm figuring it out.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: This girl looks at me for three seconds and she goes and how are you emotionally I just stopped I just started and I was like this is I'm just so annoyed.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just so annoyed because I know that you're right but like it was so easy because all of that stress was adding up I couldn't feel I didn't want to feel feeling didn't feel like it was the right answer.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's like I'm very grateful for this conversation.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_02: I wish that it happened two weeks ago because maybe we could have saved me from something but also I think that it was like I had to learn certain things about myself and so now I can kind of giggle and be like absolutely dramatically ridiculous about it.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_02: But I just wanted to highlight how easy all of this subtle stress can add up and how important it is to have people around you support somebody to reach out to to literally be like in my head if you were in here you would think that I am a crazy person and that's how I was but it's like it took somebody else reflecting things back and ask being curious like I did and asking a good question to bring me down and then that started like a whole spiral of like me feeling my emotions which like it's it's a process here.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: But I think that like we forget that's that's the the the basis of my story here we forget how easy stress adds up and if you don't have something to remind you if you don't have some kind of like gauge on it your body will not be healing itself anymore.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not about the food or it's not about all these other things like what if the base layer was just like the body that you're in you know it's interesting what you you said there about about how it all kind of builds up and it's like it's it's sneaky right it just it gradually adds up and you gave the perfect explanation and scenario for how our you know we think we're smart people we can logically figure a way out of this there's a maze here but I'm gonna figure my way out and and um and what I love about the body is there is always a consequence there's always a consequence it will reflect back the body will reflect back what's going on in our head and if we are getting more and more stressed at some point that that dis ease becomes disease and and so for you you know to recognize that and yeah okay it was your emotions and you that was really what needed to be dealt with we're we all do that every single one of us you know we get all left brain on it and and uh and what I love about the story too is is you you're seeing already the other side of it you know how messed up it was for you last week how you felt and so when you feel it that way again now you've learned from that and now you're gonna do something different and and that's where something like heart math can come in and you can start changing it's something easy to do but it's but it doesn't have to be that right it's just the simple reality of going like yeah I did not like that at all and it was showing up in ways like my heart was like like my chest was constricted or my jaw like I remember one time I something was bothering me and I and my jaw was hurting and and I thought I actually had a jaw problem.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Turns out like after a while I realized I was clenching my jaw all day long and stress.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: I had no idea I didn't even know I was doing that and I thought I had a problem with my mouth and had to you know go to get x-rayed and all that kind of stuff no it was just muscles it was just me being clenched up so our body will respond to those to that stress we are feeling and dealing with and uh how did you figure that out like that it wasn't like a jaw problem it was like an emotion problem yeah it was it it was the body right it was like me finally like going oh I was typing an email and I was trying to figure out how to write the right words that would you know pacify a contentious situation and so I I like like I the only way I can describe it is like I was sucking in you know I was like trying to trying to brace myself and I realized as I did that I noticed my jaw move back like you know a quarter of an inch.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like oh my jaw oh oh and so it was the body that told me that I was reacting that way to something that was stressful.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't have to be your jaw you know it could be you know you can heck who knows there's so many different ways that the body will be talking to us.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: If we're listening to the body that's when we're like okay yeah yeah something else is going on here and and it's not it's in my head and it's my emotions too obviously I'm just sitting here so like um I know we've kind of hinted at this but how many skills are we taught to like appeal to our logic and build our logic muscles and be smart and but we've now not taught very much about emotional regulation at all or if we are we're taught about it in a way that's feels too airy you know and so um I am just so excited to learn more about that the skill and this might be a good opportunity Michael do you mind sharing like um the practice with us a little bit yeah sure so um there's you can do the just the very basic which is just um focusing on heart-centered breathing uh but I think one of the important things is we've talked a little bit about the why and I'll tie tie this all together but we know that that where we place our attention where we place our focus is where we are placing our energy we're placing our thought all of our you know five senses sometimes like all of them are zeroed in on that on that one spot right that like uh it was talking about like you know the snake in the on the path in front of you or or like whatever your major stressor is like a a project in r that's due in like 10 minutes like whatever it is that's that is sucking you in that attention is sucking in your energy right so what we're doing here is our thoughts and emotions are all focused in on that one area.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: What we're gonna do is we're gonna pivot we're gonna take that thought and our energy and we're gonna focus it on our heart on our chest area.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of taking it on the thing that was distracting us we're gonna focus in on the heart.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'd like to talk about the heart for a moment here the heart math folks don't don't talk about it so much but I think you have to think about this from like a love perspective not just like a gushy kind of love but like a like hey that organ that's in your body for 32 years Mariah since day one it's been doing its job it's been beating it has not stopped it is working for you.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: So that organ is yours you love that thing you take that thing and you wrap that thing up in all of your love and you say thank you for beating for the last 32 years because you have been so important to me.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna talk about focusing on our heart and putting our attention on our heart that is like job number one okay is focusing on that heart space.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: Now we can do the breathing we've all been taught breathing techniques to some extent and we're gonna basically what we're gonna do is is imagine that your breath is flowing in and out of your heart area.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay so that's the that's the heart math that's it you're gonna focus breathing in and out and you're gonna slow it down a little bit more than you normally breathe.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you're gonna just gonna slow it down.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe you breathe in and out at three second interval now you're gonna slow it down to five maybe seven and you you get that to breathing in and out and then and then while you're focusing your attention on that breath going in and out of your heart space you're then gonna think about and this is more the advanced part in you can't always do this because sometimes those like you just got found out that a very dear friend just died.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like your world is rocked right so you can't really focus on a joyful moment at this point but you can still focus on your heart.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_00: You can still focus on that area that's in your body you can you know put your finger on there put your hand on there whatever it takes draw your attention there.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay we're gonna you're just gonna breathe there but then the next part is okay if you've got that under control now let's think about a regenerative feeling an emotion of joy of gratitude of appreciation you can appreciate your heart you can appreciate a partner you can appreciate an accomplishment in your life you can appreciate a pet something that is that means something of significant value to you that you just brings you a sense of gratitude or a sense of joy and so now when you're breathing in and out you're feeling that emotion too now the brain is over I mean sorry the heart is overriding the brain if you're able to feel that emotion even if it's for like a half a second your brain is now being told by the heart how to how to react and we're shutting off the monkey brain now you start feeling that feeling a little longer and you start doing that yeah your mind might wander come back to the heart it's okay it's all fine just you're just gonna come right back to it and you do that over and over again and you feel that regenerative feeling of of um of calm of peace of joy gratitude you're you're basically enlarging and increasing the size of the blood vessels in the heart and it's and it's just becoming super powerful at that point.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_00: You may not feel it as much but it's happening and it's sending much stronger signals up into the brain and it's overriding the brain and it's bringing taking the brain out of high chaos beta brainwave state into a lower almost alpha brainwave state and it's then doing that regenerative recuperative kind of state of pieces.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: So so that's what's gonna go on here in this technique but I wanted to give the why behind it because it is significant.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: It is important to know why are we doing this and what is the purpose of it.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it sounds so simple because it is simple but in the moment when we have a very major stressful kind of thing it is just so key to be able to to focus in our energy just on one area and just do something really simple which is breathe.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: But but it is hard right sometimes and and I I love that that you can just focus in on your chest area and just do this simple breathing and that's that's shutting down that monkey brain all right you guys ready?
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah oh also thanks for calling me out there I got the chills when you were like your your heart's been beating for 32 years and you love I'm like I I do love it.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's so nice thanks yeah yeah well I mean like how wonderful there's something tangible that is just yours.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_02: Truly and I I like that you brought up like even if you're in grief even if you're dealing in like hard times even if like right now everything feels like complete shit you still can like tap into your heart because you are alive and it's breathing and I've or it's breathing.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's beating you know what I mean like I think that that example is really really helpful because like you said sometimes at the most stressful moments I don't give a shit about my accomplishments my partner nothing dude I'm in I'm in the drain like it's over for me.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like just remembering that like we can always give appreciation to our heart I know that it like sounds cheesy sometimes but like I think that that's really helpful.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah yeah you need when the world seems so chaotic and we are feel like we are in that chaos right it is so hard to think logically it is so hard to think straight right and so so if we can just divert just a tiny bit of our attention despite all the chaos of being focused on all the chaos and take some of that attention and focus it on someplace simple something easy to latch onto like your heart like your chest area just focusing on that physical space you're breaking the chain of how you were thinking and you do that and you really get into the breath and you go watch that feel that breath going in and out you do that a little bit your mind wanders that's okay come right back come right back you know it's okay wander come back to it come back to it and you then you start building up a little bit more a little bit more attention focused on that on that during those periods like you said where it's like it's just freaking overwhelming.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_00: I can't think appreciation right now but I can try to keep my attention focused on my heart.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: What I really like it's reminded me of that idea of like the blue sky and mindfulness meditation of like there's always this place that's peaceful and calm.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: But what I didn't love about the blue sky medal for was it was outside of me.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: So it's really cool that that it's remembering that your heart is always that place of like safety calmness like kind of baseline um and you can connect to that at any time through gratitude.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah yeah it's gratitude for yourself just that like the the the idea that this heart of yours is yours only nobody else has ever used it it is just yours and it's been dutifully doing its job for your entire life what other commitment is there out there it's got a little brain it's been doing the same thing for you and you know you brought up the why Michael and I'm trying to think like really it's simplest it it's it's healing you know self-regulation.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think what we've hit on a lot is we all stay in a pretty hyped up place for most of our lives and the consequence of that is you're not giving your body time to rest and digest and to heal itself.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a really awesome opportunity throughout the day that you can use to kind of come back to that nice homeostasis and let that healing start.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah exactly cool take us through it okay all right so go ahead and close your eyes and if you're in the audience you can follow along with us.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_00: So step one let's focus your attention in the area of your heart imagine your breath is flowing in and out of your heart or chest area breathing a little slower and a little deeper than usual find an easy rhythm that's comfortable for you so keep the focus on your chest area breathe in and out in a nice easy pace now as you continue to keep that focus on your heart area and that breath going in and out keep that heart focus going and make a sincere attempt to think of a wonderful time a wonderful feeling that you've had before a feeling of gratitude for that heart or a special place or a special day or a special person how warm that feels now keep your focus on your heart and on that breath going in and out.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: At a nice easy pace.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_00: And feel that feeling that you had before.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_00: That was just so wonderful.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: Keep that feeling.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_00: Hold it dearer to you.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: And breathe in and out of your heart space.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now you keep going.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: You keep going.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_00: Breathing in and out.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: Focusing just on that, just on that heart area.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: Love that space.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_00: Breathing in and out of the heart.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I love how simple that is.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like, and imagine yourself doing gymnastics and 12 backbends.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's literally like breathe, but also there's like a purpose to it.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I I like the connection of the emotion.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: And it's funny because like once I couldn't hear your mic, I had to peep my eye open.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, yo, are our hearts so powerful?
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_02: It cut out the connection of the podcast.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so I I got out of my heart coherence for a hot moment, but then I opened up my eyes and I was like, oh, cool, cool, we're here.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, everybody uh reacts slightly differently to the practice.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but but based because you know we we are all wired a little differently.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: But but the the general generally what's going on is is that the beta brainwave state is either slowing down or you're shutting it down and you're getting into alpha and the heart is regulating and giving that that those signals to the brain when you're doing that.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um so you just demonstrate it.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: You may not feel super different, most people don't, but you will have noticed that it was different from how you were before.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_00: What did you what did you guys notice?
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: What the part I'm really intrigued by, we always do a grounding meditation before the podcast starts.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_01: So just so the audience knows we're now two breathing exercises in.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I like this idea of um something I can come back to and anchor throughout the day.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like even during this conversation, I noticed, you know, like my heart rate will go up because I'm excited and this is awesome.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_01: But it was cool to like, oh no, let's take a minute to come back.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so this idea of like building the muscle of like coming back into coherence more throughout the day and being even aware as I'm going throughout my day of like I'm feeling all up, you know, how can I kind of regulate is cool.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: And and being able to do it twice within a short amount of time, it's just kind of like, oh, I think there's like a muscle I could build here.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, good, good.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, one of the other um aspects to this is you know that sort of the testimonial side of it.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: And we can personally talk about it and I can talk about it, and I can show the app and we can talk about all the science and so forth.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_00: But I I think also it's like, well, who else does this, right?
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_00: And um Leon Marchand is a French swimmer, and he won four gold medals at the Olympics this past summer.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_00: He does heart math.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: He says that's what he uses to get ready before his competition races.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_00: And anybody who's been in competition before, you know, knows that they can get butterflies and get anxious.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so here's a gold medalist who's doing it and putting into practice and attributes part of his success to being able to do these heart math techniques.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, so it's not just us, you know, it's a lot of other people and a lot of people who are who are uh bringing this into their lives and making a difference in a way that's personal and unique to them.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's just a wonderful, wonderful thing, and I'm I'm glad to share it.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this has been really cool.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_02: I do have one more logistical question, and then I have a non-logistical question.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, logistical question.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Can two people share the same device or does each person need their own device?
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know, you can you can use the same device, but then as you know, you can use you you can use the same um uh recorder and and and uh thing that hooks up to to the ear, but then when you pair it, you can pair it to your own device, so your own phone.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_00: So so so I I can have the app and record all my stuff.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then if my spouse wants to use it, then they can use it on their app and then and have a separate set of recording and data.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_00: So so multiple people can use it.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's really helpful.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then my non-logistical question, what do your clients think about when you bring apart math?
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_02: And like, I think you said that you've either given it to them or they've gotten it.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_02: And like, what does that transition look like?
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_02: Are they like, oh my god, I love this, or are they like, oh my god, Michael made me buy this stupid thing?
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what is like their thought process?
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know what?
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think for me, I'm always listening to where somebody is, and I don't just mean like physically location-wise, like I'm talking about where are they mentally and emotionally and and are they receptive, right?
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so to the degree that they're receptive, I will share information.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so the simple part might be like, hey, I was reading a study the other day, and did you know that you know, when your heart and brain are in coherence, this is what happens.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, I didn't know that.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, how often do you think, you know, your heart and brain are in coherence?
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Or like, oh yeah, not very much.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_00: I would like it to be more.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh well, great.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now we can talk about something that can do that.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_00: And and so we'll go down the path of like just starting about just a simple breathing, the breathing technique of just focusing on the heart and breathing in and out and doing it at a nice slow pace and get them doing that, and they'll be okay with that.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I've actually I have found a lot of guys like it, and here's why is they're like, I don't do that meditation stuff.
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_00: I tried, but mine I can't do meditation.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_00: And and I'm like, hmm, I'm with you.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like I notice when my mind wanders, and there's some days where I did a 90-minute meditation and I was probably meditating 80, not I mean, I wasn't meditating like at all.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's like maybe two minutes.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_00: So so yeah, our mind does wander.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_00: So you can't just throw something out the window when you really haven't given it a fair shot because it is hard to meditate sometimes.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_00: So just being able to say, like, hey, like, dude, like uh there's this device and it's really easy, and you just follow along and you watch the little dot go back and forth across the screen and just breathe with that dot.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_00: Just follow that, just all you have to do.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, Oh, I can do that.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's easy.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_00: I can follow a dot.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_00: And they follow the dot, and then there's this little nice little, you know, graph below it in real time, and it's a nice turns into a nice little sine wave because they've slowed down their breathing.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, hey, that's really cool.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: You're doing it.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm doing what?
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you're doing the heart mass stuff, you're doing the heart brain coherence.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_00: I am, yeah.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, so for me, it's like, you know, I I try to figure out where they are and I try to introduce it gradually.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_00: And for some people who are like, all in, yeah, we go 100%, like, okay, I'm sending you a, you know, uh a recorder and device uh in the mail, and it'll be there like in a couple days, and then we're gonna get get on it right away.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_00: But there are others, it's just gotta be like a gradual, like, no, just just focusing on your heart and focus of breathing.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_00: And we're just gonna do that because your life is really chaotic right now, and you just don't need a lot of other stuff.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's enough.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I feel like it's really helpful, Shay.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you're thinking about your husband for this, but like I'm thinking about Andrew, and I was like, ain't no way if I introduced it and I was like, Hey, you want to work on heart and brain coherence?
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_02: And he was like, What the fuck have you been doing?
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what are you doing, girl?
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_02: But if I was like, hey, there's this cool thing and their studies, if I can lead with the data, it's like dangling a little carrot, it like intrigues him a little bit.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I appreciate their perspective on that for sure.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and some people are competitive in nature, right?
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so you go, like, hey, you want to compete against yourself?
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, go do a session and now beat that in your next one.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's funny that Mariah said my husband, because what's popping up for me is my competitive side.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh, I was in coherence for 12 minutes, I wouldn't be in coherence for 13 minutes.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like that, like and being able to see that charted over time would really get me going.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_00: And and like anything, like there are setbacks, right?
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like a a sports team doesn't win 100% of their games.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be a loss.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_00: Occasionally there's an undefeated team, sometimes, but like for the most part, there's a loss.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh uh, a star athlete has a bad day, right?
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_00: So there are gonna be some times where we just can't get that heart brain going because it's it's a very stressful day for us, but that's okay.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's another day.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: And like you said, it starts with awareness.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, how are you gentle with yourself on those days, or what do you do?
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um, because we're all gonna have those.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I'm just so jazzed about this.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like you guys know, I'm a big nerd.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, along with my competitive side, it's also appealing to the data-driven uh side that both Mariah and I have.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we share a lot about when you're doing this type of work, it can be really hard to gauge progress.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like weight loss on a scale that you can hop on and get.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times it requires a lot of like looking back and reflecting, and and it's hard to make space for that.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_01: So, this is really cool that it's just in real time, something that we can watch what we're doing and see the physical effects it's having on our body and see that we're kind of building the strength and muscle over time.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's just so cool and so practical.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad to share it.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think go ahead.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_02: No, I I think I was gonna do the same thing that you were gonna do.
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_02: We're running out of time here.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_02: And like this information is super, super helpful.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm really grateful and honored that like you came back on the podcast.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_02: You shared your genius about this.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I can't think of a better person to have to chat about this.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_02: You explain it really well in a way that like is so grounding and like practical, but also like combines the energetics and the intuitive piece and all of that.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, I just want to thank you so much for coming on.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_02: And can you, I know that you have a program happening, either it's either open now or it's going to be opening soon.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Can you just give our listeners like more information about where to connect with you and um more information about the program?
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for that opportunity.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_00: And and again, like anything that I have learned, and this is part of that curiously guided piece, is like I love learning things just like you guys.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so if I can then take something that's really good and share it with other people, having a venue to do that, like the podcast here, is amazing.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it really is truly wonderful.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for being another guest on your show.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's been wonderful.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_00: I will say this about uh a program.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I have a dear friend, and she um years ago had this healing from brain cancer.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_00: And about five years ago, she had a relapse.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_00: And two years ago, we had basically a celebrate your life party for her, where um we were just she all of her closest friends came.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_00: We all came.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she mentored views, she was just an amazing person.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just to celebrate her life before she passed.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_00: She was her body was completely paralyzed.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh she only had her left arm, she was right-handed.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_00: But the kind of person she was is she learned to write with her left hand, she learned to type, she just did everything with her left hand.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was the only thing she had control of.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but but something happened where she had a change in some way, and she started recovering.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_00: And she's been a life coach for longer than I have, been a coach.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_00: And um, we've just been very good friends.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so she and I have recently partnered together because she came back.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_00: She she's on fire.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like she has her bad days, she's still, you know, mostly paralyzed, but she is cognizant.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_00: She used to be on um oxygen just to help breathing.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_00: And she is just back.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_00: She dropped the oxygen, she's dropped the medication, she's just she's coming back, and she is with it.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_00: And she and I, she asked me to partner with her on um helping people in a life charter kind of way, where previously we would help people like on a specific issue and work through those specific issues, but we wanted to go like, how can we really help somebody longer term in a way where they're not only supported for all of life issues that they're going through, but they're also surrounded by other people who can support them as well.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_00: So we have built a community and it's the sacred, she's built most of it, but it's the sacred kaleidoscope community.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_00: And we have a life charter program.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that we feel like we want to do is like take what she and I have been doing, especially her program, and put it together in a way that's beneficial for people for free.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_00: So we have a two-day training program.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's about three hours each day towards the end of the day.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_00: And what it does is it allows people to come in and talk about some of the things that they really want to change in their life and hear other people talking about either the same issue or other similar issues and kind of go like, hey, how can we deal with that?
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_00: How can we implement some of these um best practices that that that uh my partner and I have developed over time and put that into their life?
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm super stoked because I'm partnering with this amazing woman who has overcome adversity and in a big way and is just a gift to mankind.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_00: And we're working together to kind of help people change their life long term.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so we'll put a link in the show notes and uh have people, you know, go check it out.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_00: But they can come to the free training and actually start doing something about changing their life in a way that's significant.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for sharing that.
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like we we always hear you are who you surround yourself with.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_02: Or like, hey, you want to make a goal?
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like surround yourself with other people that have those goals.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_02: But like when the subtle stress is adding up, when you gotta worry about so much bullshit all of the time, it's like, where the what do I have to join?
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_02: A bowling league?
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like, where the hell do I meet these people?
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Pickleball.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta go find pick.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, seriously, like you have to do these things, and it's like fuck, dude.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to.
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so I feel like like what a great opportunity.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_02: A, like the budget-friendly aspect of it, and B, just like man, we'll say it over and over again.
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like community is becoming increasingly more important because like we can only deal with so much ourselves.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_02: And when you can just have that support of other people that maybe you just have like an inkling of also wanting to change, a lot of the times that's enough to like motivate you to keep putting in the action step.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_02: So, yes, we will absolutely leave a link to that in the show notes below.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_02: If you guys are listening and you are interested, please check it out.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_02: We will also leave the links to Michael's website and his LinkedIn profile if you want to go ahead and connect there.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_02: But before we let you go, I mean, like you already know the question that I'm about to ask.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_02: But essentially, what's been sparking your curiosity lately?
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, good one.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um I am deep into the woo stuff sometimes.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I think I told you before in a previous uh episode, but but and I wrote about it in my book, was the idea of like, hey, people have these near-death experiences and they go to the other side, and what is on the other side?
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_00: And there are I'm discovering that there are many dimensions on the other side.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's not just like heaven, like there's layers of different frequencies and domains out there.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so, my curious curiosity is like, well, what really is out there and what how does that affect us here on this plane of existence?
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and is it really real?
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, so that's my uh curiosity right now is diving into that stuff.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_01: So cool, Michael.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_01: I cannot wait for the follow-up on that.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I've had I'm curious about NDEs myself, but I haven't done any of the diving, so I can't wait to hear where you land.
• 1:23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I just want to say thank you.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_01: I have always had this dream.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my husband has heart health issues.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_01: One of the meditations that has helped us throughout all of this is from this lovely man, and in it he says, Disease is the beginning of disease.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I always thought to myself, like, this is a message I want to get out.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_01: I want to share this message.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_01: So today, when you led that meditation, I was grateful.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_01: I literally went to this interview with you, and I was like, here I am sharing this message, Disease leads to disease and all of the wonderful things you said.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is what I personally want to spread and get out into the world.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for blessing us with your time today.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_01: This interview has been really awesome, and I hope that um, I mean, I know that everyone's gonna get so much value from it.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you again.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_01: And with that, um, I think we'll let you go.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, remember, friends, you have the power to create whatever the fuck you want.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Follow the nudge, ask questions, and let curiosity guide the way, and we'll see you in the next episode.